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Speaker 2: Episode five fifty three with Vincent Mason. His debut album

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Speaker 2: And I would bet you people call him Mason, Vincent

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Speaker 1: Great to meet you too. How long have you lived here?

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Speaker 1: I've lived here for five years. I gotta I gotta confess.

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Speaker 2: What gym? No, I don't say.

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Speaker 2: Is it close to here? Yeah? I own it. I

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Speaker 2: Do you ever call it? Like, can I buy this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Or where? Or where? What is free?

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Speaker 2: I felt like two things. One, when I was poor,

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Speaker 2: And then I felt the need to like prove to

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Speaker 2: And I want to prove it, Like you sent me this,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that as a negative. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: But you'll hopefully in two years you'll look back at

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Speaker 1: And I know I was just doing my best and you.

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Speaker 1: know what. I didn't know, like, it didn't even It's

437
00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,600
Speaker 1: cool to have like a phase or like an era

438
00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,720
Speaker 1: to look back on because I felt like it was new.

439
00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm the old guy at all,

440
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,000
Speaker 1: but I felt like the new young kid that just

441
00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,399
Speaker 1: got here for so long, and now it's been like

442
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,920
Speaker 1: five years, so that's not really the case.

443
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,200
Speaker 2: Oh you're still the young kid, right, you're the now

444
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,720
Speaker 2: young kid at the big kid table.

445
00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,400
Speaker 1: That's a good way to say it.

446
00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,640
Speaker 2: So you might be the old kid amongst the kid

447
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,879
Speaker 2: table at Thanksgiving, right, you're the oldest toddler. But no, no, no,

448
00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,200
Speaker 2: you're now the young kid at the big kid table.

449
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,040
Speaker 2: I saw that hell on the dance floor. I was

450
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,480
Speaker 2: just looking at some dad. It was like one hundred

451
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,040
Speaker 2: million streams. Yes, that's significant. Yeah, I mean that pays

452
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,119
Speaker 2: the bills. It does more than anything. It just it

453
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,800
Speaker 2: pays the freaking bills. It does. That's exciting and it's

454
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:48,160
Speaker 2: just fun.

455
00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,399
Speaker 1: Like I just put out that was like this probably

456
00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,440
Speaker 1: the fifteenth or sixteenth song we put out, and it's

457
00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,240
Speaker 1: just like really, like you said, as soon as stuff

458
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,119
Speaker 1: starts to feel normal and you're like, oh, another song's

459
00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,399
Speaker 1: going out there, it's like it's that's the one that

460
00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,320
Speaker 1: catches everybody.

461
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,399
Speaker 2: But I didn't know that you had put out that

462
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,359
Speaker 2: many songs. Was it might have been a little less.

463
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,040
Speaker 1: Well the five that came after that, so that was

464
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,800
Speaker 1: probably the tenth, the tenth or eleven song, I should say.

465
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,600
Speaker 2: Was there anything about this song though? Was there any

466
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,360
Speaker 2: more of a push with it than other songs that

467
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,359
Speaker 2: make it this much? Makes this much bigger? Or did

468
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:17,720
Speaker 2: it catch?

469
00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:18,199
Speaker 1: Then?

470
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,440
Speaker 2: You guys decided.

471
00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,560
Speaker 1: Almost nothing made it different. And I was just talking

472
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,320
Speaker 1: about this at the gym that you don't go to

473
00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,840
Speaker 1: with Chase McDaniel.

474
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,360
Speaker 2: The guy that I wrote the song.

475
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,440
Speaker 1: I wrote the song with Chase McDaniel and I saw

476
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,160
Speaker 1: him and I saw your evil twin on the way down.

477
00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, me and him were just like, He's like,

478
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,680
Speaker 1: you see a hundred million streams and I was like yeah,

479
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know if you feel

480
00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,360
Speaker 1: this way, but I still feel like I don't know

481
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,240
Speaker 1: what it was that made it the one that did that.

482
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,960
Speaker 1: And he was like me either, And part.

483
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 2: Of it, I guess you just keep when you wrote it,

484
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:46,960
Speaker 2: did you?

485
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,760
Speaker 1: I knew there's this line in there rock bottoms got

486
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 1: a brand new view that launches into the chorus. How

487
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 1: does it dance for? And like just that kind of

488
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 1: moment in the songwriting, I knew we did something. I

489
00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,520
Speaker 1: was like, that's a great line. And then when we

490
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,720
Speaker 1: started clipping in on TikTok from that line. That's when

491
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,959
Speaker 1: it started catching. So I was like, Okay, it's working,

492
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 1: but I don't know. You sort to see the numbers

493
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 1: come in, the pre saves come in, You're like, all right,

494
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 1: this one's going to be better than the others. But

495
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 1: I never thought it would do what it did. I

496
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 1: didn't think i'd get a gold record like to Hang

497
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 1: on the Wall that was wild, getting like a physical

498
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 1: I just never thought about that. I thought about getting

499
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,919
Speaker 1: a bus, thought about playing shows, never thought about one

500
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 1: hundred million streams.

501
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 2: Did you think about people that you liked liking you?

502
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 1: Always when I was writing songs, it was always like,

503
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: would John Mayer liked this song if you heard it.

504
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 1: Would Park McCollum like the song if you heard it.

505
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 1: I was always kind of like that was my benchmark

506
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 1: because I was writing alone when I first got to town.

507
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,879
Speaker 1: I didn't start co writing till two years in. I

508
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 1: didn't really know anybody. For the first two years. I

509
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,640
Speaker 1: could have been anywhere, but I just moved to Town

510
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 1: because I knew this is where stuff happened. So I

511
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 1: was writing songs alone. That was always my thing. It

512
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 1: was just like mental like I was like if they

513
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 1: heard this, like would I be on the right track

514
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: or do I need to change that line?

515
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: Has Parker commented on even in person, on anything that

516
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 2: you've done? And then I do I really like that song? Yeah?

517
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 1: He's he's, uh, he's a fan, which is awesome, Like

518
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 1: he's he's really liked it and like he actually listens

519
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 1: to it too. He wasn't just saying it like he

520
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 1: was like quoting lines and stuff like that, and he was.

521
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: When I was at ole Miss, I went to ole

522
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: Miss for a year, so I went graduate high school,

523
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: had a handful of friends going Ole Miss. Wasn't super

524
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: excited about anything.

525
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 2: So I was like, why all Miss?

526
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 1: Though, if you're from Georgia, cause UGA there's a scholarship

527
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: called the Hope Scholarship, and if you have a certain

528
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 1: GPA in state you can go for like a very

529
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 1: little amount of money. So it became like really hard

530
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: to get into UJ if you live in state. So

531
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 1: everybody just started going to Ole Miss or Auburn, like

532
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: South Carolina. If you didn't have the grades and you

533
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: wanted to go to SEC, you just go to one

534
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: of those, And like half my county went to Ole

535
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: Miss really like it was split between Auburn and Ole

536
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: Miss and Uga.

537
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 2: What part of the state then, were you geographically closer

538
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: to Ole Miss?

539
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 1: Not really, We're pretty close to Auburn. It's like North Atlanta. Yeah,

540
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: pretty close to Auburn. A lot of some tennessee here

541
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: and there, but Auburn and Ole Miss were like the

542
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: ones to go to.

543
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: You did a year at ole Miss. It's like prison.

544
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: He did a year.

545
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 1: I did six months. I didn't hear at a Miss.

546
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: That'll be ep did a.

547
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: Year at olds served a year and and uhty Toddy,

548
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: that's right.

549
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 1: I was there in person for six months and then

550
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: COVID sent us home like pretty much right when the

551
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: second semester started. I had just started writing songs saying

552
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: that all saying all that to say, uh, my friend

553
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: from Louisiana showed me Parker and that that sound like

554
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: I was saying, I love the country radio songs, and

555
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: I love John Mayer. I had never heard any of

556
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: that kind of like left of center, red dirt songwriter country.

557
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a thing. So I heard

558
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: the I can't breathe in hell of a year, and

559
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: it just clicked for me and that's kind of what

560
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: made me. I was like, Oh, if I write songs,

561
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be something like this. And then I went

562
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: and listened to him for the next two three years.

563
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: So you just wrote by yourself wrote, yeah, even here

564
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 2: for two years, that's a long time. It was.

565
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: I was at Lipscomb here for a year, two so

566
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: I did. I did a year at ole Miss, did

567
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: a year at Lipscomb. It's like you served yeah, very

568
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: different prisons. Also, Lipscombe Church of Chigh School. Coming from

569
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: ole Miss to to that establishment was was a very

570
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: big change.

571
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: Whenever you're writing songs by yourself and most people come

572
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: here and they've only written by themselves. The co write

573
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: is very much a Nashville thing, absolutely, But if you're

574
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: at Lipscomb, I'm just surprised that culture wasn't already a

575
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: part of the songwriting. Were you avoiding it purposefully?

576
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: There were a couple of people there that were into it.

577
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: I had a professor there that set me up with

578
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: my first write on music row because I was just

579
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: like dying for it. Like we would have these one

580
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: on one you had to do one on one lessons

581
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: and one of them was songwriting.

582
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: So that's a weird thing to learn.

583
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: It was really weird. So I'll just go in there

584
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: on like Tuesday mornings and play or whatever I was

585
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: working on. She'd be like, this is good, this is bad.

586
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: Did you this is an unfair question to answer. I'm

587
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: going to ask it to you anyway. Did you feel

588
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: like you're telling me my songwriting is good or bad?

589
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: Yet you haven't done it at a level that unless

590
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: you were my teacher, I probably wouldn't listen to you

591
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: critique something that is creative.

592
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of that. She played

593
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: session stuff though, so I respect her.

594
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: Kay.

595
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: She she's been in town, she wrote songs. But like

596
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: I do think the general premise of music school that

597
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: is a thing in the back of your mind where

598
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: you're like.

599
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: Like, if you were good, you wouldn't be here as

600
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: a teacher, you'd be out there doing it. And it's

601
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: a terrible thing to say. It's a terrible thing to say,

602
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: but I remember having a in college. I was studying television,

603
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: and I remember that our professor would be like, and

604
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: this is how you and and he was like like

605
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: on the news for like a year in Little Rock, Arkansas,

606
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: which is like the big city to me from where

607
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: I grew up. But I was like, dude, if you

608
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: were good, why are you here.

609
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: I know, I hear that. I think it's the way

610
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: they approach it to like you don't if there's a

611
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: little bit of cockiness to it and they're telling you

612
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: completely agree, they're just trying to help you.

613
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: It's like, great, that's a great point. But there is a.

614
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: Little bit of I'm with you on that, and I

615
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of people do. There's power trip is

616
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: a real thing all over the place.

617
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: And I think too, in a job like this, to

618
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: succeed at it, to actually try at it, you got

619
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: to have some sort of screw loose. I agree, because

620
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: there's no stability in this No, there's it's it's so unpredictable,

621
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: it really is. You can work your freaking face off

622
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: and nothing happened, or you can stumble into it and

623
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: have a really good opportunity.

624
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: And it's been cool to see, Like it's been cool

625
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: to get on tour and open for these people that

626
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: like Parker and Riley Green and you know, people that

627
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: I've like listened to their music for so long, like

628
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: just to see how they go about it. I think

629
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: everybody else deals with it. Everybody deals with it in

630
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: a different way, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

631
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Do you have any sort of imposter syndrome? I think so.

632
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I've always like hesitant to like put the labels on

633
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: stuff like that, But like every time I've heard that,

634
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, I'm not going to have that, and

635
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: then and then it sneaks up on you in a

636
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: way of like kind of I feel like with the

637
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: brand deals is kind of like I'm like, they're sending

638
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: that to me.

639
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wonder if now you're feeling it because

640
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: you're starting to have this success that's different. I call

641
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: it big kid at the table success. Yes, And I

642
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: would think now is about the time where if you're

643
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: going to have it right now. But I think everybody

644
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: has it a bit. Yeah.

645
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: I think so.

646
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: Well.

647
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: I think you think about things happening, and you think

648
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: they're going to happen a certain way, and like I

649
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: think when you're daydreaming about it, you're always like, well,

650
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: this thing's going to happen first, and then it's going

651
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: to naturally lead me into that. But really it just

652
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of happens and there's no ramp into it, and

653
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: I think that's why I'm always like I don't know

654
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: if it's imposter syndrome, if it's just playing out differently,

655
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: or like there was no like prep for it, but

656
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: like every one day you wake up and people just

657
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: treat you a little different, or like one day you

658
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: wake up and more people are buying tickets or more

659
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: people are listening to the songs, and it's just like

660
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: it's weird.

661
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: It's weird. Yeah, it's weird. When you went from vandibus

662
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: that was great, life changing, right life.

663
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still like fired up about that.

664
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: Would you explain that a bit, Grant, I like granually,

665
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: because I think, again, it's one of those things unless

666
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: you've lived it, you really don't understand. And I don't

667
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: expect even people who listen to this podcast or radio

668
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: show to understand fully because they haven't had to live it. Right, No,

669
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: but would you explain what it's like on a van

670
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: versus what it's like in a bus.

671
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: It is like it's actually live chat. I think back

672
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: to the van days and I'm like, I don't even

673
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: know how we did it. I'm like thinking about having

674
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: to go do that now and I'm like that sounds crazy,

675
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: but what you do? We would bus from bus, we

676
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: would pull the van. Tour manager would go get the van.

677
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: We'd run a different van every weekend, and on Thursday

678
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: or Wednesday night whatever, we would load up at my apartment.

679
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Everyone would parking the spaces and we'd load up the

680
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: van and then we'd drive to upstate New York. We'd

681
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: drive to Kansas City. We've drived to Milwaukee, you know

682
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: however long it took. And then you're checking into hotels

683
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: at two three am, waking up at eight am, pulling

684
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: up for soundcheck, doing soundcheck two hours til you open.

685
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: A lot of times you can't stay for the whole headliner.

686
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: Back in the van, you're driving another four or five

687
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: hours that night.

688
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: People we're not comfortable in the van. Not come from

689
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: multiple people. It's not like beds.

690
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: It's we had We were rolling with seven seven and

691
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: like a sixteen passenger, but we didn't have a trailer.

692
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: So like the first four rows were just like the

693
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: drums and the guitars and like a lot of times

694
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: are falling on you. And we had a month long

695
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: stretch where like God was definitely like laughing and like

696
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: testing us for sure, but the we were where was

697
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: it McFarlane, Kansas. I remember we were driving to play

698
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: with Gavin uh Manhattan, Kansas, Kansas State and we're driving

699
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: seventy miles an hour. I'm half asleep in the middle

700
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: of the day and we just fall down in the

701
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: front tire. I just see it roll up a ramp

702
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: like it was a hill.

703
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: See the tire, the tire, the whole tire.

704
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: We didn't blow a tire, like the whole tire came

705
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: off the axis. The access is sparking on the highway.

706
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 1: I see the tire. It was a ranch with a

707
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: with a hill, and it went up the hill like

708
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: a ramp, and I just we all lost sight of

709
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: the tire. It was forty yards and there going seventy

710
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: miles an hour, just flying into somebody's ranch. And then

711
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: the axis is sparking down the road and we're just saying,

712
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: hit the brakes, hit the brakes, and our drummer was

713
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: driving and he's real low key and he's just like,

714
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: there's no brakes and we're like what He's like, the

715
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: brakes are out. So we just skidded one hundred yards

716
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: to the side of the road. In McFarlane, Kansas, and

717
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: everyone just watched us. Everyone was driving by and I

718
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: posted it on Instagram and some kid was like, I

719
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: just passed you and we were literally like, we were like,

720
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: come get us. So he turned around on his little

721
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: truck and he came and got us, and we took

722
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: like three four trips from the van and then everyone

723
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: told us, they're like, you know, this is the hottest

724
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: day of the year, and we were like, great, you

725
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: can't sit in the van on the shoulder because someone

726
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: might hit you. So we're all just standing in the

727
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: tall grass on the side of the road. It's one

728
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: hundred and like one degrees I think, and everyone's getting

729
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: like sumburn, like actually some burn and uh. That was

730
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: one of our stories. We hit a black bear on

731
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: the way to of Sit, New York where they had woodstock.

732
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: I forget the name of the venue, but we hit

733
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: a black bear. That was our drummer. It all happened

734
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: to our drummer.

735
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: It was this first shift might be what the commons shift. Driving.

736
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: We're sitting in the front. Our other tour manager just

737
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: went to sleep. He'd been driving all day. I remember

738
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: we're listening talking Tennessee by Morgan Wallen. And the trees

739
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: are like, you know, fifteen feet wide. It looked like

740
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: bugs are like this big. And I just remember being like,

741
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: let's watch out for deer, like we don't need to

742
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: hit a deer. And I said that I was looking

743
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: to the left expecting them to come out that way.

744
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: That's where my eyes were. And then from the right,

745
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: like the way you see a bear like in full

746
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: sprint on like National Geographic, just ran across the front.

747
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: Of the van. We just it wasn't sitting in the road,

748
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: was not sitting there, jumped like a deer.

749
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Jumped out in front of the van and we caught

750
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: the back of it. And that was our drivers for

751
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: our drummer's first shift driving the van.

752
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: But something else about the van is everybody has to drive,

753
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: or people have to drive, and then they have to

754
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: do their jobs right, which is the difference in the

755
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: bus where you have a dedicated driver.

756
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Very different.

757
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: But like your drummer is driving for however, mit three,

758
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: four to six, whatever your schedule is, then he's I

759
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: try to get some sleep, so the tour manager takes over, right,

760
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: But then everybody's exhausted and they have to do their

761
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: job like the show as well, right, and the bus

762
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: game changer because not talk about the bus.

763
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: Yes, that brings us to the bus. So a Hawk

764
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: also the next day flew right into the van. That's

765
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: the last part of the band story, into the driver,

766
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: into the driver's face a Hawk driver. No, it was

767
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: our other tour manager. So drummer got a break for him.

768
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: He's not the one to blame.

769
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: But so yeah, that brings us. We got on the

770
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: bus in April, and I think all of us were

771
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: just like the bus was like mythical by that point.

772
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: We were like, one day we'll be on the bus.

773
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: Like when you're sitting on the side of the road.

774
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: You're like, when we get on the bus, this won't

775
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: happen anymore. But the bus is basically like a house.

776
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: You have a driver, they have to have a CDL

777
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: their license to drive. Ten hours, you get another driver

778
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: to take over, so you're you're not driving at all.

779
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: No one on our crew drives anymore. Really, I sleep more,

780
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: and I've probably ever slept in my life because you're

781
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: we really don't have to get up till sound check.

782
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: On a lot of these later tours, it's not till

783
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: like four PM, So you know, you can go to

784
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: bed whenever you want. I can wake up kind of

785
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: whenever I want, unless I'm doing like a liner or something.

786
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: But every day I wake up, there's a kitchen. We

787
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: got stuff we bust from the Walmart. So we go

788
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: in the Walmart buy all our stuff for the weekend.

789
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Every weekend. It's got all the stuff that we need

790
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: in there. And I literally just wake up and walk

791
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: into the front lounge every morning and like just take

792
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: a take a breath out. Because that's what I wanted,

793
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, like being a fan of somebody like Parker.

794
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: He talks about being on the road all the time.

795
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: So I wanted to be on the road and I

796
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: wanted to play shows. But the van was like quite

797
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: literally starting to kill us. You know, we were getting

798
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: close bears hawks.

799
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: I can't believe you saw the wheel.

800
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: I saw the wheel. I lost sight of the wheel

801
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: in the air. That's probably the craziest thing that.

802
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: I feel lucky you didn't die.

803
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: Truly, if we're in a city, that might have hit somebody,

804
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, Like it was very it was close, and

805
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: the sparking on the road was like that fast, like

806
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: the fast that we didn't skid over and the band

807
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: being backloaded anyway.

808
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: Also, it's also you put in so many hours on

809
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: the road, you're gonna have those kind of stories just

810
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 2: based on being out there right so much. Same thing

811
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: with playing live shows. Did you have any shows last

812
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: year where thinks nothing was working and you're just having

813
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: to patch it together. Ears aren't working.

814
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: That just happened to me in the Red West, Utah.

815
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: What happened went out first six minutes, my mic didn't work,

816
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: and we were like, it's a great crowd. That whole

817
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: festival was awesome, Like they were really good about drawing

818
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: crowds to every stage and it was twelve thousand people

819
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: and you go to sing your first song and like

820
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you're getting yourself amped up. Like and

821
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: festival days are always weird too, because sound checks faster,

822
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: you don't have your normal routine. You're playing at probably

823
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: like three or four pm you're used to seven eight.

824
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: And I got myself hyped up, ran out there, saw

825
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: the crowd. Another festival kind of like putting tickets on sale,

826
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: you're always like, how many people are gonna come to

827
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: our set? It's a great crowd. Twelve thousand people at

828
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: the same time just started going, oh, not on, Mike's

829
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: not on, I can't hear you?

830
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: Is the band playing around you?

831
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: Bands playing around me? I got ears in. All you

832
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: see is people just going can't hear, can't hear, and

833
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: you just have like an internal I think, like anxiety attack.

834
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: Probably because you're wondering do I keep going? Do I

835
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: stop everything? Or were you playing to a click?

836
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Playing to a click?

837
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: So you really can't And it's a.

838
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Festival, so you have a set time, so you can't

839
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: start over unless you want to rearrange everything.

840
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: And what happened? How did that turn out?

841
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: We got it on. It was kind of became a

842
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: funny moment because the first time I went on, I

843
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: was like, can y'all hear this? And everyone was like, so,

844
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: it's good. But I think those moments when stuff don't work,

845
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you you're thankful for the two hundred shows

846
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: that you've played because you're like, I guess this song's

847
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a wash, Like no one heard that song. And then

848
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: we got into the rest of the set and it

849
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: was fine.

850
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

851
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

852
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: Found that I would doing comedy, especially if I would bomb.

853
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: Early on, I would just kill myself for it, and

854
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I suck, I suck, I suck. But

855
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: then I would realize, Man, I'm bomb worse than this.

856
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: The more shows I did, yeah, and it turned out

857
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: fine and great, but it allowed me to have confidence

858
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: even when things didn't go right, that it was gonna

859
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: be okay. On the other side, you can be okay

860
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: and the career is not over. Yep.

861
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Have you played like a lot? What's the percentage of

862
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: stand up shows to like the No, you play music.

863
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Too just but comedy music right, so not fair, not

864
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: like you. I don't have talent. There's a difference. So

865
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want these two to be compared.

866
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: But probably the last few years has been mostly stand up.

867
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to do a special, okay, and so I

868
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: just went and towar it. I did like thirty theaters.

869
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: I wrote this show and I toured it and CMPT

870
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: bought it and ran it and it was awesome, and

871
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: so I did a special and then I was like,

872
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: I think I'm good now nice. I still play the

873
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: operation sometimes, but I was doing comedy more than I

874
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: was music. Now I would have a guitar there because

875
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: the greatest thing for me was if I would like

876
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: or if the crowd was dead, which meant I sucked,

877
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: I would just grab my guitar because I can. I

878
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: can hide behind music when you just out there with

879
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: a microphone and people are no, that's yeah kind of what.

880
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: I was asking because I could. I really couldn't imagine

881
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: going out there and just talking.

882
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: You could because you're you're writing songs in a vulnerable

883
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: way too, Like the first time that you play like

884
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: a work tape for somebody with an emotion from you,

885
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: and you're like, listen to this, and they're listening maybe

886
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: for the melody, listen to the court You're also like, man,

887
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: those are my real thoughts, and like it feels kind

888
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: of naked. Yeah, I mean it's it's similar, yeah, okay

889
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: to writing songs. But yeah, I found when I would

890
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: grab that guitar, I can kind of hide mind it. It

891
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: was nice totally.

892
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I have that too.

893
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you amplify yourself a version of

894
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: yourself on stage? Is it a superman is at a

895
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: cape a bit when you play music?

896
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny too, Like going back to the growth thing,

897
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: like there'll be times where I swear I'm out there

898
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: just like giving him my own ripping it, and then

899
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: I go watch the video and I like haven't moved,

900
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: im like just sin and still and you swear you

901
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: feel like you're given a show and you have to

902
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: realize like you really do kind of got to perform

903
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: and get into it.

904
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: But do you watch videos? I watch what I get.

905
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: Tagged in on Instagram about it that I don't do

906
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: it every night, but if there's like if I just

907
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: see a lot of tags come in, you know, like

908
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: the story mentions thing at the top, you just click.

909
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: Through, Yeah, oh I know it. Well, oh yeah, I

910
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: know it. Explain that craft to me, man, I see

911
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: it and kill myself over it. Do you like challenge

912
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: your micro movements more so because people are recording everything.

913
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. But going back to that thing,

914
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: you just got to learn how to have there's a balance,

915
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: like you gotta have a good time yourself. You can't

916
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: be just thinking about that. But yeah, I do think

917
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I try to. I try to exaggerate myself in my songwriting,

918
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Like I I think I keep the

919
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: emotions as true to myself as possible, but then like

920
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: you're always leaning for like this is probably sounds a

921
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: little bit cooler than what actually happened, or how can

922
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: I make this a little bit more you know, aesthetic

923
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: maybe word but songwriting and like re making records. I

924
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: go into this mode where like I am, I've tried

925
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: to explain it. I tried to explain it to Jake

926
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Gear who I produced the album with, and he was

927
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: just like, I didn't understand anything, but he was like,

928
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: you're doing great. I was like, all right, But I

929
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: just feel like I feel like there's this songwriter version

930
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: of me that like kind of walks through everything like

931
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: I go through life for real, and then there's like

932
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: this version of me that I tap into that I'm like,

933
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: it's almost like I'm watching my life happen, and it's like,

934
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: how can I make this a little bit more interesting?

935
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: I have to amplify every single thing that I do

936
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: because I'm doing content all the time. So if it's

937
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: radio or podcast or social media, whatever, it is like

938
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: my content. If it were just the literal version of me,

939
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: I think it would be probably about a four. But

940
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: when I'm on I gotta I gotta put it up

941
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: or it's not compelling. Yeah, Like I don't feel like

942
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: me the everyday person is that compelling. I feel like

943
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: I have very compelling thoughts. I go through the same thing,

944
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: so I have to amplify them and I keep note.

945
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: Do you keep notes of like of thoughts? Yeah, yep, yeah.

946
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: I broke my phone that in Utah. I had this

947
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: case that fell apart, and I like, you never want

948
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: to go get a new phone, like it's just not

949
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: a fun thing to do. And I just dropped it

950
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: one too many times and the screen wouldn't open. And

951
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: that was the thing I was.

952
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: The It wouldn't do face id, like, it wouldn't even

953
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: fly I could.

954
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: It kept disabling itself because I would press one number

955
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: and it would just fill out the pass code itself.

956
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: And it was disabling for eight sixteen hours, twenty four hours,

957
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: so I had to take it to a screen repair

958
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: place to even get into it. I bought the new

959
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: phone then I didn't have any of my passwords to

960
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: even back it up. So, like I it was a

961
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: whole deal. But my notes app was the thing I

962
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: was the most worried about because I've written on so

963
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: much stuff in there, and like.

964
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Were you able to get off the cloud.

965
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: I was able to get it, well, not off the cloud.

966
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: I had to go to a screen repair place fix

967
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: the old phone, open it, and then I was able

968
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: to back it up. But I was for like six days.

969
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: I thought I lost all my notes, but I write,

970
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: I really do. I'm probably gonna write them down in

971
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: a notebook now, but I have a lot of thoughts

972
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: and like lyric.

973
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: But a notebook's hard to travel with everywhere. Like for

974
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: me it is because I've got like six tabs on

975
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: like six different things that I do, and I'm constantly

976
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: writing notes in each tab. I'd be walking out with

977
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: a freaking spiral, RIGHTEOK.

978
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: And you don't want to start. It's so much easier

979
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: to stop and just yeah, you don't want to get

980
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the pen and pad out?

981
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: What are you mostly writing? Song concepts? Ideas? Lyrics?

982
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: Like I feel like in Nashville everyone's a title person,

983
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Like it always starts with the title. Everyone's throwing out titles,

984
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think of those as easily as I

985
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: write down something that might be a lyric, and then

986
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I like look at it and then I'll write down

987
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: like I try not to write down like a vert

988
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: more than a verse or half a verse.

989
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: Will you do voice memos with melodies?

990
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the main thing. Really. I don't write too

991
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: much down. I write down enough to like remember it. Honestly,

992
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: I write it down to remember it because like kind

993
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: of just the act of writing it down else you remember.

994
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: And then from there it's I try to make it

995
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: all feel and Chris Ableton John Mayer. I've learned to

996
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: write songs on YouTube just how they did it, and

997
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: like they just say, to start singing.

998
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: You put a work tape on the record. Yeah, that's

999
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: the last track on there? Yes, why that was that song?

1000
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: There was this kind of like two or three we

1001
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: had the cut days for the studio, so we knew

1002
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: when we were going in. There was this two or

1003
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: three week stretch where we knew what we want the

1004
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: album to be called. We knew what the general idea was,

1005
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: and days are numbers. The last song, the last full

1006
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: song on the album got written that week, and a

1007
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: song called Painkiller got written that.

1008
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: Week, which both made the record. Yes.

1009
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I was in this like beat the

1010
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: buzzer kind of like what else can we write that's

1011
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna make the record? And I wrote good run that

1012
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: work tape pretty quick. It like fell out, like if

1013
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: I get hot writing songs, I can do that. I

1014
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: don't usually get like the one take like it just

1015
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: fell out five minutes thing, but that one kind of

1016
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: happened in like ten minutes. And I sent it to Jake,

1017
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: the producer, and he was like, I was like, you

1018
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: think this is worth finishing to try to like get

1019
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: it on the record, and he was like, just leave

1020
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: it the way it is. It was his idea to

1021
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: kind of and he's like, maybe we'll master it and

1022
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: see how it turns out. And I thought it was

1023
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: cool to put a work tape on there for me personally,

1024
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: because that's how everything starts, you know, like everything starts

1025
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: with me texting Jacob work tape or texting you know,

1026
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: manager or work tape or anybody. So for me as

1027
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: a songwriter, that's what I sit there and listen with

1028
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: and fall in love with the songs and think of

1029
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: production ideas. So it was cool for me to put

1030
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: that on the record and for one of those songs

1031
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: to kind of live in that way where it's like

1032
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: you always lose a little something when you go to

1033
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: make it a full song.

1034
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask how you do with like

1035
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: demo ititis where you love the demo so much, but

1036
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: you also understand what the produced product should be and

1037
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: are there times where you're fighting against should we produce

1038
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: it this much?

1039
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: Yes? All the time. Really didn't run into it too

1040
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: much with the record, which was great, Like I think

1041
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: the way that Jake and I directed the band like

1042
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: it really did feel good. And I was sitting in

1043
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: an isobooth playing so everyone was kind of playing to me,

1044
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: so we had that work tape feel, which was awesome.

1045
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, anytime you go down that rabbit, it was

1046
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: cool to just not have to worry about it. I

1047
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: was like, let's just get a good one take and

1048
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: it's kind of one of my favorite things. And I

1049
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: feel like if I had finished it, people would kind

1050
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: shrug and be like, it's a it's all right. But

1051
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: the half song, like all these playbacks and stuff, people

1052
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: like what about the rest of it? And I'm like,

1053
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, I just played fourteen full songs and you

1054
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of shrugged at him. But the half song, it's

1055
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: just human nature, Like everyone wants the rest of it.

1056
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: You know, who do you feel will give you honest

1057
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: feedback on the record. Here are fourteen tracks on the thing,

1058
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: But who would you give it to? And you know

1059
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: they're gonna have it's completed. You're not changing anything, but

1060
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: you trust them to go. I really loved Painkiller, you know,

1061
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: but my favorite wasn't so and so who do you

1062
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: trust to do.

1063
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: That everything goes? I send everything to my dad. He's

1064
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: just a straight shooter. And I just remember from the beginning,

1065
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: like when I told him I was writing a few songs,

1066
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm gonna tell you if they're not good.

1067
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: And he's always been that honest, so like I know

1068
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: that he's somebody that will tell me when he doesn't

1069
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: like it. So I send it to him. Like I said,

1070
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I take it with a grain sometimes.

1071
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Too, because like you have to.

1072
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: He will listen to something a month later he'll be like,

1073
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: you know what, it is better this way, like it's

1074
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. You didn't go with my idea. So

1075
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: but I trust his general opinion. It's just kind of

1076
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: my part of the workflow now. Like Dad's got to

1077
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: approve it, or at least I got to hear what

1078
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: he's got to say. And then I would say, Sean

1079
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: at our label he signed me. They had started their

1080
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: own label, and he was the first person ever contact

1081
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: me from the music industry. Signed me off at TikTok.

1082
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: Did he DM? Were you like, is this a scam?

1083
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well kind of. When they first like said they

1084
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: wanted to work with me and sent over the contract,

1085
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm good. I was eighteen or nineteen.

1086
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: I just remember all the stories of it was technically

1087
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: a development deal and that's like kind of a bad

1088
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: word to a lot of people, like that's where they

1089
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: sign everything forever with the young kid, and I didn't

1090
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: want that to happen. So I was like no. And

1091
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: then they helped me put songs out anyway. They were like,

1092
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: all right, well, we just want to help you.

1093
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: And oh you said no.

1094
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: I said no the first to the first contract, and

1095
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: they helped me put out songs anyway. They're like, we

1096
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: want to help you get these songs out. So they

1097
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: set me up with a producer. I didn't sign anything,

1098
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: and they just helped me through the first couple of songs,

1099
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like, I don't think they

1100
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: would do that if they were trying to steal all

1101
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: my stuff. Yeah, And then I talked to my dad

1102
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: about it, and we actually got a real lawyer to

1103
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: look at it and we had more meetings about it.

1104
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: And then Shawn's like Shawn m Max. Both of them

1105
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: started that label ended up partnering with Innerscope, So that's

1106
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: how that side of the deal got worked in. But

1107
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: there Shawn's like creatively a really good friend of mine.

1108
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: So I always send everything to Sean.

1109
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: Any of these songs on this record about anybody super specific.

1110
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, I've kind of stepped away from that. I

1111
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: think in the beginning you're writing about somebody in mind,

1112
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: But now I feel like I write more about the

1113
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: feelings and you use the story to get the feeling across.

1114
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't like it to be this is about this person.

1115
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: Well that's a great answer if you did, and you

1116
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: don't want them to know. Like you're winning in multiple

1117
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: ways by giving that answer for sure. Yeah.

1118
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: Also, I'm like, I'm older now, so it's not just

1119
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: there's not just one. It's like there's a there's more

1120
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: people to write about than just one. So I think

1121
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: I try to write about the feelings that came out

1122
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: of that and like where I was at and life

1123
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: and like, but I don't I don't know. I don't

1124
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: really sit down think like I'm gonna write about you,

1125
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you.

1126
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: I guess you could write a nice song about somebody,

1127
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: like a love song. I've heard of those.

1128
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: I've never no, I don't write. I don't write those.

1129
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: That's the Parker mccollumn.

1130
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: Then what's the last song you wrote that made the record?

1131
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: Dayser Numbered was the last full song, and then Good

1132
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Run was the last thing we like tacked on. But

1133
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Dayser Number was cool because I had There I Go

1134
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: the title track. I wrote that verse chorus by myself

1135
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: and finish it with my friend Jack, and we knew

1136
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to call it There I Go. And I

1137
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: like to say, if There I Go is us setting

1138
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: out in the van and wheels flying off the van

1139
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: and hitting black bears and stuff. I feel like Dayser

1140
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: Numbered is waking up on the bus one day thinking

1141
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: about all of it and think about that, you know,

1142
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: twelve to twelve months to a year and a half

1143
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: of I never stop and think about stuff. I think

1144
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I could. I'll just charged through six months, like just

1145
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: doing whatever I gotta do, and I don't stop and

1146
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: think about it. And I think days are numbered, is

1147
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: like stopping and thinking about, Oh, all this stuff has

1148
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: happened since I moved to town, Like you wake up

1149
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: on a bus one day, it's like all that stuff

1150
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to happen is happening, and here's the ups

1151
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: and downs with it. So I like that one, and

1152
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad it makes sense. It was the last one.

1153
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: It was kind of like it was the book end

1154
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we have a record now, you know.

1155
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: Does it feel like you've been here forever? And just

1156
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: hear it yesterday? At the same time, absolutely, yeah.

1157
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: When I like when someone asked me, I hadn't been

1158
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: asked how long I've been in town for a while,

1159
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: and saying five years is crazy because I feel like

1160
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: I was always just saying I just got here. I

1161
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: just got here.

1162
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: When you moved, what'd you pack up a car? Truck?

1163
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: Do Vand I was driving a Pasade at the time,

1164
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: driving Chevy now, but I had a there's my one

1165
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: flex's the business managers. Yeah, I had a pasade, loaded

1166
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: it down with my guitar and like one suitcase full

1167
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: of clothes.

1168
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: I think that's it.

1169
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: A room xbox dorm apartment. Yeah, I had a roommate,

1170
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: one of my one of my friends I've met at Lipscomb.

1171
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

1172
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: And then now I live with one of my best

1173
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: friends from home. Well, my really good friends from home

1174
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: got a job in Nashville.

1175
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: So we live together. But you say live, I mean

1176
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: you're not even here.

1177
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't live. Yeah, he basically lives alone. I went

1178
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: out for fifty three days out of fifty six days

1179
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: of fifty six days stretch. And I got home and

1180
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: he was like, man, I think I needed I needed

1181
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: to get like a dog. And then like a couple

1182
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: of hours later, he was like, I think I'm gonna

1183
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: try to find a girlfriend. I was like, damn, you

1184
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: got you got lonely my room. My roommate's trying to

1185
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: cure his loneliness.

1186
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: Year. I well, congratulations on everything. Man, It's it's super

1187
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: cool to see. And like I said, it's it's cool

1188
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: to see like your version of what's happening, because to me,

1189
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm seeing because I really only see the big kid

1190
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: table at this point, right, But now like you're you're here,

1191
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: it's cool.

1192
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

1193
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1194
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 1: And I was watching when I was sitting there writing

1195
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: songs by myself, I was watching Bobby Bobby Casting.

1196
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, man. I appreciate all.

1197
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: The clips, all the interviews. My favorite artist was going on,

1198
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta watch bub.

1199
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: And I'm going to share something with you that I

1200
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: probably wasn't gonna share with you.

1201
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

1202
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1203
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: Usually we have like a mark anybody below twenty seven

1204
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: has nothing to say. This is just me through the

1205
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: history of me doing this show and doing long long

1206
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: form projects with people. Anybody below twenty seven usually it's

1207
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: not specific to the person has nothing to say because

1208
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: they haven't really been here long enough. They don't have

1209
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: good stories, they haven't developed the art of storytelling, which

1210
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: is a whole different part of songwriting and performing. And

1211
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: we put the over under at thirty two minutes on

1212
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: how long this would be. Because if I'm sitting with

1213
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: you and I'm like, he didn't have much to say,

1214
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: I want him to look good. It's my job to

1215
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: make you look good. It's also my job to pull

1216
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: some interesting stuff out of you. Right, And that was

1217
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: about the mark. We debated. You're twenty four, I bet

1218
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: the under nice. I was like, there's no, we get

1219
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: to thirty two minutes, but we did fifty minutes. And

1220
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: so when I say, like, it's been super cool hanging

1221
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: out with you, that's the way I can show you

1222
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: thank you is that I feel like we could do

1223
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: another half hour and I'd have a good time. So dude,

1224
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm rooting for you.

1225
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad I've never said, alonde you

1226
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: at the gym meet too, nice to meet you.

1227
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you too. I'm glad the person is

1228
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: smaller than me.

1229
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: He is smaller. Yeah, sizing you up now, it's definitely

1230
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: not you.

1231
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: Let me ask you what one final quest two final questions.

1232
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: When you get a sponsor like Monster, how much does

1233
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: that help when you do a tour, very much.

1234
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: Very much.

1235
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: So makes a lot of shout out to Monster.

1236
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when you can actually walk away with money too,

1237
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: because most of the time it's like people think your

1238
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: son a lot of tickets, make a lot of money,

1239
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: and you're not, like, at the end of the day,

1240
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: you don't take that home that it's expensive to have

1241
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: the bus, it's expensive to have a band and a crew.

1242
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: So that's when you can really actually start to make

1243
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: some profit.

1244
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: They're also wanted to shout them out.

1245
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: Shout out monster buy go buy one.

1246
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: And then as far as playing sports, you're athlete, played

1247
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: for basketball. Yeah, do you work at music like you

1248
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: worked as an athlete?

1249
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a yeah. Good questions, got good questions.

1250
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a minute, Like I said,

1251
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm old, now I'm well.

1252
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: I guess, like it's just like it's stuff that I

1253
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: never tell people that you're asking me about, Like I

1254
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: never feel like I have the chance to tell people.

1255
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that was probably the thing that

1256
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: I was the best at. And I liked the best

1257
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: about playing football basketball, Like I liked doing the work

1258
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: and seeing being able to get better at it and

1259
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: like seeing yourself get better. And I think I do

1260
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: try to apply the same thing Nick Sabe. I'm not

1261
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: an Alabama fan. I like great coaches though Nick Saban not

1262
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: in Alabama, not an Alabama fan, but I'm a Nick

1263
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: Saban fan.

1264
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: You know. I would listen to myself in both of

1265
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: those as well.

1266
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: I listened to what he has to say. And it's

1267
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: just like there's so much stuff with sports that are

1268
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: applicable to everything. Like Nick Saban talks about like falling

1269
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: in love with the process, like process oriented thinking.

1270
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: I wrote about Nick Saban specifically talking about the process

1271
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: in my last book Damn. Because I'm just such a

1272
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: believer in the process.

1273
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: It makes it so much easier to tune out of

1274
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: the stuff that might get weird and the stuff that

1275
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: might like steal the joy from it. Like if you're

1276
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: just like, all right, I made this record with these songs, Now,

1277
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: how can I make a better record with better songs?

1278
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: You know?

1279
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: I found that work ethic in sports has translated well

1280
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: for people who do music, definitely. And some people are like, well,

1281
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: how are all these athletes musicians? It must be No, No,

1282
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: it's a lot of the skills that you develop while

1283
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: playing sports, even the adversity for sure, which I think

1284
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: is a massive part.

1285
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: Of it, biggest one too. Yeah, And I think also,

1286
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: like I played on a football team. We won four

1287
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: or five games in four years out of high school.

1288
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: So it's like not a good situation. But like I

1289
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: think just even being able to be around stuff that's

1290
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: like not successful and still like be able to keep

1291
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: keep going, Like, yeah, there's adversity everywhere. So yeah, I

1292
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: think everyone thinks it's like Oh, they're so talented like

1293
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: they've been. They've got all the talent. They were a

1294
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: high school quarterback, college quarterback and they get to sing.

1295
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's just you learn how to develop

1296
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: stuff and you learn how.

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Speaker 2: To keep Yeah, because I used to have just that

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Speaker 2: jealousy of man, look at sam On he can do

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Speaker 2: it all. But I think there's a difference in causation

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Speaker 2: of correlation and also the skills you develop it one

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Speaker 2: thing can actually translate into another, not that just you're

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Speaker 2: blessed it both definitely. And so yeah, debut album, it's out.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations man, thank you. I know you've had music, but

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Speaker 2: to put out a whole project that is another's and

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Speaker 2: I hope, my hope for you is that in eighteen

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Speaker 2: months you look back and go, oh, some of those

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Speaker 2: songs that cringe at because that's growth, that is real growth.

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Speaker 1: That's the goal.

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Speaker 2: That's always the goal, to look back and be a

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Speaker 2: little Yeah. I was talking because you like John Mayer,

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Speaker 2: my favorite artist of all time, and I was talking

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Speaker 2: with John Mayer. We had a brief season where we

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Speaker 2: were friends. We're not not friends now, but we had

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Speaker 2: a brief season where if we were in the same town.

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Speaker 2: We would like see each other, right, and if he

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Speaker 2: came to Nashville, he would come and hop in the show,

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Speaker 2: and he would talk about how he would listen back

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Speaker 2: to some of his stuff and be like, oh, and

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Speaker 2: it's the stuff that people like still relate to the most.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, man, it's so like milk toast, like

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Speaker 2: on the middle, and like, I'm just not drawn to

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Speaker 2: it at all, But it's what people like still love

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Speaker 2: the most, and he still plays it even though it

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Speaker 2: doesn't always drive him, like it doesn't like spark him,

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Speaker 2: but he knows is what the people want. So as

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Speaker 2: I say, look back and cringe, also just keep playing

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Speaker 2: the hits. It's yeah, I have the mix. Good to

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Speaker 2: see you man. You guys Vincent Mason music dot com

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Speaker 2: and go to his socials and he doesn't really need

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Speaker 2: you to buy tickets, but if you're there, cheer extra

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Speaker 2: loud and check out the record. It is out now.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.