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Speaker 2: Is not available to be indicating sections. We're still actively

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Speaker 3: Suspects and you know them lose either got Q what

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Speaker 4: Because that's who they was. We had two managers, two

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Speaker 5: It was a street guy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I still mentioned his name.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was in the streets before man he

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Speaker 6: He had the type of attitude if you felt like

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Speaker 5: He sees off of it.

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Speaker 7: Even if I did want to tell you something, what

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Speaker 7: I'm saying is that's a dangerous game to play. If

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Speaker 8: What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand

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Speaker 8: jury deciding not to indict office.

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Speaker 9: A nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his

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Speaker 9: killer set his car on fire.

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Speaker 10: Once they put out the flames.

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Speaker 1: They discovered Seal's body inside with a gunshop.

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Speaker 10: You want a gun on me?

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Speaker 4: Am?

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Speaker 11: I am?

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Speaker 5: I whats your older brother? Spargus? The PD grab me

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Speaker 5: by my heart, slam.

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Speaker 12: Me off the car.

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Speaker 10: He says, you might want to you might want.

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Speaker 13: To pick your enemies better.

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Speaker 10: This is after the Uprising season two, the murder of

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Speaker 9: So now we have one source of information saying the

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Speaker 14: Before my mother passed away, someone told her this information.

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Speaker 1: This is LaToya Seals, Darren's older sister, and she.

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Speaker 14: Shared it with me, and she did not want to

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Speaker 14: watching his uncle kill his mother, and so many other

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Speaker 15: She just she did not want to believe.

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Speaker 14: That it was jay Bird because she just they were

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Speaker 1: The other part of it is in twenty twelve in

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Speaker 15: At the time.

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Speaker 9: So it's an open question, right if the information is correct,

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Speaker 11: Or of course it's.

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Speaker 10: Possible that he did inform, he was informing, that he

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Speaker 15: I never informed.

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Speaker 13: He was never informing for the Faith or anybody.

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Speaker 1: We cut a whole final episode for this season, and

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Speaker 1: it started with this conversation with LaToya Us telling her

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Speaker 1: The second surprising thing is that we were given the

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Speaker 1: It came in a bundle of doc do we requested

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Speaker 15: Ray, this is Tracy Panna's a Saint Let's County.

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Speaker 9: Please.

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Speaker 1: After reading the report, we immediately wanted to get in

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Speaker 9: not the case. Detective Atoms and all of your team

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Speaker 1: Before hanging up, Sergeant Panis wanted to make sure people

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been doing this twenty lush years.

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Speaker 11: I went to the academy in ninety six.

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Speaker 15: I have never seen us walk into a case and go, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't like this guy who's a douchebag. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to push it. Never never, Ever, some of the victims.

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Speaker 9: That we deal with are not, you know, necessarily the

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Speaker 15: So we I've never seen any of our officers act

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Speaker 1: So Sergeant Panis eventually got back to us and explain

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Speaker 1: Boating were saying that there were bullet shells on the

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Speaker 15: Shell bulletshaill is all that stuff will still hit.

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Speaker 1: The crimecy well. According to the report, the night of

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Speaker 15: In all that ash stuff and all that white phone stuff,

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Speaker 1: People were all over that crime scene in the morning,

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Speaker 1: Anything could have been added to throw off the investigation,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't something Detective Adams wasn't concerned with. Another issue

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Speaker 1: the report puts to rest is the mysterious man who

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Speaker 15: And I turned to a mirror and I said, we

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Speaker 11: So a mayor Pools was rolled over the guy's trucks

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Speaker 4: Never heard anything else from them.

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Speaker 1: You've seen the drone footage Darnell and a mirror had

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Speaker 1: Though it took some time for the Ridgeview witness to

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Speaker 17: He had some socks on his hand, and he wouldn't

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Speaker 17: have beg from what I was sending here, like, he's

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Speaker 17: probably about your side A part of the.

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Speaker 1: While speaking with Detective Adams, the witness claims he thought

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Speaker 1: only did so because Darren's girlfriend, Naomi coaxed him into it.

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Speaker 1: Remember how Bonnie thought Naomi was a fed.

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Speaker 15: You know, as I kill watch and see how she

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Speaker 15: I really sup believe it now.

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Speaker 10: Now back to the show. Remember when we first visited

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Speaker 3: He told the two guys, y'all can't leave that body

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Speaker 10: As it turns out, the general thrust of this story

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Speaker 10: and he identified the first man as Kilo. He identified

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Speaker 10: the second man as Christopher Moore. Christopher Moore lived in

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Speaker 10: the apartment complex where this incident with Andrea and Stephen happened.

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Speaker 10: But no, it wasn't on Gamble Street in Saint Louis City.

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Speaker 10: It was at the Riverview Park Place apartments on Towell Lane,

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Speaker 10: Ridgeview Apartments where Darren's jeep was found burning. It's also

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Speaker 10: Christopher Moore, the man identified as the driver of Darren's jeep,

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Speaker 10: On May twenty sixteen, Darren went live on Facebook as

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Speaker 9: We're still alone has a point man We outside the linel.

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Speaker 1: Cordon Lyne may live snapping, we damn we outside.

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Speaker 12: I'm a nigga trained to build last.

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Speaker 1: We had to get his that this video he found

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Speaker 1: right actor man we it all man? How do you Warran?

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Speaker 1: Come highand hey hey hey get at it?

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Speaker 3: I try to tail get that deal.

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Speaker 1: Tell you this man is in the music video seen

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Speaker 9: Were you with Kilo that night?

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Speaker 1: Aside from Jason claiming it was two Bottom Boys who

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Speaker 1: We tried to talk to Jay Bird about all of this.

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Speaker 9: We were looking to see if we couldn't get an

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Speaker 9: y'all know that there are some allegations pointed towards Jerry

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Speaker 1: With each new suspect and each new name, Detective Adams

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Speaker 1: This is a young man named David Anthony and he's

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Speaker 1: was in the bottom Boy's wider circle, and we'd actually

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Speaker 1: first learned about him from Mosey's box of records. He

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Speaker 1: and Kilo were pulled over together a week after Darren's

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Speaker 1: murder and there was a pistol and some marijuana in

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Speaker 1: the car. This phone call is from when police finally

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Speaker 1: took David in for questioning about Darren's murder in twenty seventeen.

446
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Speaker 1: You'll hear him talk about how the police have everybody's

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Speaker 1: phone numbers.

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Speaker 13: They talk about part of the main priority of bottom

449
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Speaker 13: boys or bottom boy storm a purple bullish like.

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Speaker 4: To talk about the seed come he straight.

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Speaker 13: Head, a pup of sea, pieces of material, the muscolk

452
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Speaker 13: p low, p money kres everybody like everybody calling up

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Speaker 13: with my own number, everything like hey all that is

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Speaker 13: on Peter.

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Speaker 4: White pay phone.

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Speaker 11: Sh I know what's goose?

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Speaker 1: We find it telling that. In describing being arrested to

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Speaker 1: discuss Darren's murder, David says that the reason he was

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Speaker 1: brought in was because of Kilo and LP, which lends

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Speaker 1: support to next story about two bottom boys being the

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Speaker 1: ones in Darren's g when Darren was shot.

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Speaker 4: Well, why I came and got me? Yeah, they came

463
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Speaker 4: and got me because yot, that's all I got to be.

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Speaker 11: They said the name.

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Speaker 4: No, they just came and got me off the strength

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Speaker 4: of them.

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Speaker 10: Police also arrested and questioned Mark kwan Lee, the young

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Speaker 10: man who was allegedly in a shootout with Kilo, the

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Speaker 10: knight of Darren's vigil.

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Speaker 4: I mean you prow your lawyers. I hate to know

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Speaker 4: stuff because they got me for some shit.

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Speaker 13: To ammificate, it's like three They worked in three different

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Speaker 13: cases with me.

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Speaker 4: They worked in a Homo draft book of case. They

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Speaker 4: worked in a lot of ships. They worked in the

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Speaker 4: bottom boy set home Meet, they worked ke boyd.

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Speaker 13: Chase on meech.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to work over they work in a Rock

479
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Speaker 4: of six and they putting tellers on me. They trying

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Speaker 4: to pull back a whole year on me. They trying

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Speaker 4: to do a rock with me and tell me.

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Speaker 13: They've been watching me for a whole fourteen months.

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Speaker 10: Who tried that shot by triangulating, who spoke with whom

484
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Speaker 10: at what times. Detective Adams, with the assistance of the FBI,

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Speaker 10: was able to use cell phones to mat Darren being

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Speaker 10: called to Riverview by Kilo after many members in the gang,

487
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Speaker 10: including LP and Markwan, had seemingly hung around together or

488
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Speaker 10: at least their phones had been in the same vicinity.

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Speaker 10: The one person missing from the matrix of phone numbers

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Speaker 10: is Bottom Boys member LR. Based on everything in the

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Speaker 10: police report, Ricky Smith had no involvement in Darren's killing.

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Speaker 10: But the case against Keelo really came together with a

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Speaker 10: collection of surveillance video from the Speedy Gas station on

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Speaker 10: Broadway and Riverview, which is only one point eight miles

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Speaker 10: from the Ridgeview apartments. At Speedy Gas, detectives spoke with

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Speaker 10: the employee who had worked the night of Darren's murder.

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Speaker 10: This employee said a group of teenagers had been fighting

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Speaker 10: in the parking lot at about twelve twenty am, and

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Speaker 10: one of them had a small gas can in his hand.

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Speaker 10: The Speedy Gas manager gave detectives the security video from

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Speaker 10: that night, and detectives then played that video for several people,

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Speaker 10: one of whom was the Ridgeview witness. Can affirm that

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Speaker 10: the cars in the security video were the same cars

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Speaker 10: he saw followed Darren's jeep into the parking lot the

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Speaker 10: night of the murder. Another person detective showed the video

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Speaker 10: to confirmed that Keilo was one of the people captured

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Speaker 10: on camera.

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Speaker 1: So at ten am on November one of twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: a number of detectives as well as at least one

510
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Speaker 1: FBI agent assembled to arrest Kilo at his girlfriend's house.

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Speaker 1: We can see that they forgot to redact Special Agent

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Speaker 1: Cunningham's name from the report, and if you recall, he's

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Speaker 1: the same FBI agent who would be involved in the

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Speaker 1: arrest of Lamont's Joiner for killing Kilo, as we discussed

515
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Speaker 1: in episode seven. But anyway, when they had Kilo back

516
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Speaker 1: at the precinct, detectives tried to interview him first, talking

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Speaker 1: about the Bottom Boys, which Kilo insisted was only a

518
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Speaker 1: rap group. When detectives tried to talk about the day

519
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Speaker 1: of Darren's murder, Kilo asked for a lawyer. Bactives told

520
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Speaker 1: Kilo he was being charged with murder, first degree, armed

521
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: criminal action, and tampering with physical evidence. Kilo told detectives

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Speaker 1: to quote come with it, bro, and said, quote, you've

523
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Speaker 1: been trying to get at me At that point, Kilo

524
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Speaker 1: was booked into the Justice Center on a twenty four

525
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Speaker 1: hour hold. Detective Adams brought his case materials and presented

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Speaker 1: them to the prosecuting Attorney's office, who would be responsible

527
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Speaker 1: for issuing a case, which would then send Kilo before

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Speaker 1: a judge to determine if he was eligible for bail.

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Speaker 1: And then somehow absolutely nothing happens with the case. We've

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Speaker 1: already mentioned in previous episodes that the Saint Louis County

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Speaker 1: Police brought their case to the prosecutor's office, but until

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Speaker 1: reading the full investigative report, we hadn't known that Keilo

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Speaker 1: had been in jail. Of course, we've also explained that

534
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: later Kilo wild out of jail, free to commit a

535
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Speaker 1: litany of crimes, and that he was murdered himself in

536
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, So how the hell did he get released?

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Speaker 1: More after the break?

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Speaker 10: Now back to the show.

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Speaker 6: Did you have a prosecutor there named kil Gore?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Years ago.

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Speaker 1: This is our producer John Duffy Again.

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Speaker 6: Okay, because I'm looking at a police investigative report and

544
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Speaker 6: it's telling me that the prosecuting attorney, Kimberly Kilgore, was

545
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Speaker 6: briefed on the facts of this case, and she took

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Speaker 6: the criminal complaint against Anthony Irvin under advisement pending further investigation.

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Speaker 3: And at that time he was in jail.

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Speaker 6: He was in the Justice Center. This is November one

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Speaker 6: of twenty eighteen. But all we conceive is that somehow

550
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Speaker 6: he gets out of the Justice Center, he goes on,

551
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Speaker 6: we have other criminal records for him, he goes on

552
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Speaker 6: to commit other crimes, and then he himself is murdered.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just wondering how he goes from being in

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Speaker 6: jail in November of twenty eighteen to being out of

555
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 6: jail and the police had booked him there for homicide.

556
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Speaker 6: I just thought there had to be some document that

557
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Speaker 6: said warrant refused or something like that that would explain

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Speaker 6: how he was then let off of his twenty four

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Speaker 6: hour hold.

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Speaker 2: So if we would have issued something, there would have

561
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Speaker 2: been a warrant, there would have been a complaint, there

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Speaker 2: would have been a probable cause, all the normal documents

563
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Speaker 2: that we file when we issue a new case. But literally,

564
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Speaker 2: there is not one single document that got issued on

565
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Speaker 2: this case.

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Speaker 16: Nothing.

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Speaker 10: If Kila was in jail and no case was issued

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Speaker 10: by the Prosecutor's office within that first twenty four hour period,

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Speaker 10: he would simply have been let go. But we didn't

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Speaker 10: want to speculate about this.

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Speaker 2: You know, the alther thing that you might do is

572
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Speaker 2: send their Sunshine requests to the jail.

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Speaker 6: If I can tell you something crazy, Before I bothered

574
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Speaker 6: you with this, I did sunshine them first, figuring there

575
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Speaker 6: would have to be some document on releasing him, and

576
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Speaker 6: they told me that his records are exempt.

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Speaker 10: The Justice Center, where Kilo had been held, refuse to

578
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Speaker 10: give us any documents on his release, claiming they were

579
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Speaker 10: exempt from state sunshine laws, citing a statute that refers

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Speaker 10: to cases that have been gnalli prost, which is a

581
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Speaker 10: fancy way of saying that the prosecutor chose not to

582
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Speaker 10: prosecute the case.

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Speaker 2: If the case is nalipross, that means it got dismissed.

584
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Speaker 2: That means we said, oh, forget this case, we're gonna

585
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Speaker 2: we don't want to prosecute anymore. So, but we didn't.

586
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Speaker 2: You can't nalipros the case. It's never been issued and

587
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: this office did not issue any charges on that case.

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Speaker 1: After this conversation, we went back to the Justice Center

589
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Speaker 1: saying that in fact, no, the case wasn't Nolli prost,

590
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Speaker 1: so please give us Kilo's release records. They apologized for

591
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Speaker 1: having cited the wrong legal statute and then supplied another

592
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Speaker 1: legal statute to prevent us from getting Kilo's records, and

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Speaker 1: that legal statute also didn't apply. As of this writing,

594
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Speaker 1: we still haven't gotten Kilo's release records from the Justice Center,

595
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Speaker 1: and they seem intent to continue hiding them from us.

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Speaker 1: So Sherry from the prosecutor's office gave us instructions on

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Speaker 1: how to request a search of Attorney Kimberly Kilgore's emails,

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Speaker 1: and so we did. We requested any of her emails

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Speaker 1: that contained the names Anthony Irvin, Keilo, Darren Seals, or

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Speaker 1: Detective Adams from that period of time. But the search

601
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Speaker 1: turned up nothing, and nothing ever happened in the case

602
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Speaker 1: against those suspected of murdering Kelo a year and a

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Speaker 1: half later. Both cases involved the FBI at some level,

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Speaker 1: and both cases had hard to access evidence that was

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Speaker 1: hidden or obscured or just downright missing. So, taking that

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Speaker 1: with everything else we knew about Kilo and Darren's murder, this.

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Speaker 6: Is gonna be a weird question. It might be really bizarre,

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Speaker 6: and you can just laugh at me. In the event

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Speaker 6: that somebody is participating as an informant, either for the

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Speaker 6: police or for perhaps even the FBI is part of

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Speaker 6: a task force or something like that, if someone is

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Speaker 6: acting as an informant and they get released on that,

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Speaker 6: would that be sort of blacked out information?

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Speaker 16: Oh wow?

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Speaker 6: So that's good question, because here's the thing. He was

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Speaker 6: connected to another group of people who were all indicted

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Speaker 6: and arrested on federal charges of cocaine distribution. There was

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Speaker 6: a big drug ring that was busted there in Saint

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Speaker 6: Louis that had connections to the Cartel Mexico, and he

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Speaker 6: was associated with those individuals. There was an FBI agent

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Speaker 6: as part of his arrest, and even when he himself

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Speaker 6: was murdered, when they arrested the people they thought had

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Speaker 6: murdered him, a task force participated in that arrest.

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Speaker 15: So I am wondering, was.

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Speaker 6: This guy an informant of some kind who was then

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Speaker 6: led out to continue his informing And maybe the reason

627
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Speaker 6: we can't see documents is because that's being hidden.

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Speaker 1: Ah, I.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I've never been answerd that. I can tell you. I

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Speaker 2: don't see anything in my system about this being a

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Speaker 2: confidential informant. Honestly, I couldn't even tell you how this

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Speaker 2: office handle's confidential informants, you know. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a prosecutor here, so there would be no reason for

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Speaker 2: me to be involved in that.

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Speaker 9: And I'm not on the need to know list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is definitely the way to say it. But

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Speaker 2: I can see every case associated with him, which is

639
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: only this one, and there is no documents on here,

640
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: and honestly, I can't even explain that.

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Speaker 1: Since Sherry didn't understand what was going on with Kilo,

642
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Speaker 1: we decided to reach right out to the FBI man

643
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Speaker 1: who'd been on site for both Kilo's arrest and for

644
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Speaker 1: the arrest of his alleged killer.

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Speaker 9: I't, Lewis, I'm trying to reach Owen Cunningham.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 16: Hello.

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Speaker 9: Hey, my name is Raynovischewski. I'm a journalist who does

649
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Speaker 9: a podcast with iHeart called After the Uprising, and our

650
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 9: new season is about Darren Seals. At first, I thought

651
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Speaker 9: we were accidentally cut off, but when I called back,

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Speaker 9: I got the sense that Special Agent Cunningham had no

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Speaker 9: interest in talking to a journalist. Lewis, Hey, apologies, Could

654
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Speaker 9: you try Owen Cunningham one more time.

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Speaker 15: I don't think he is available right now.

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Speaker 9: Okay, how do you know that.

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Speaker 15: Not picking up? So we'll let you know if he

658
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Speaker 15: can attact you later.

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Speaker 1: They never got back to us more after the break.

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Speaker 10: Now back to the show.

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Speaker 1: I wanted Bonnie to have closure. Now I want Byron

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Speaker 1: and his sister to have closure. I want miss Peggy

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Speaker 1: to have closure knowing at least the person who or

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Speaker 1: persons that killed their loved one was prosecuted. You know,

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Speaker 1: even though they may not have lived the best kind

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Speaker 1: of life, they deserve justice too, And just because they're

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Speaker 1: black didn't mean that they don't receive justice. And what's

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Speaker 1: so injurious is when the prosecutor is black themselves and

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Speaker 1: does not prosecute. That is worse is when a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: fails to prosecute and lets these violent offenders out into

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Speaker 1: the streets so that they can kill again and again

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Speaker 1: and again and again.

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Speaker 10: Maria and I are having a long conversation focusing on

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Speaker 10: the work of the Saint Louis County Prosecutor Wesley Bell.

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Speaker 10: Bell was elected as the first black Saint Louis County

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Speaker 10: prosecutor in twenty eighteen, and if you listen to the

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Speaker 10: first season of our podcast, you'll remember that we brought

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Speaker 10: him evidence and next steps we thought could settle the

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Speaker 10: question of the mysterious hanging death of Donie Jones. You

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Speaker 10: heard from him in this season as well, briefly back

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Speaker 10: in episode two, responding to media questions about why Perez Read,

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Speaker 10: the accused serial killer, had not been successfully prosecuted for

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Speaker 10: an arsony committed years before his killing spree. As part

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Speaker 10: of her work producing this podcast, Maria looked through boxes

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Speaker 10: and boxes of police reports that outlined a variety of

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Speaker 10: criminal actstions undertaken by a variety of young men over

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Speaker 10: and over again. In these reports, she would see that

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Speaker 10: warrants were refused or charges were never leveled against those

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Speaker 10: accused of assaults, thefts, and even murder. It sent Maria

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Speaker 10: on a long quest trying to understand why this kept happening.

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Speaker 10: While she was going municipality to municipality digging up paperwork,

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Speaker 10: I decided to check in on the status of Perez Read,

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Speaker 10: that alleged serial killer. So I called the prosecuting attorney's

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Speaker 10: office and spoke with Sherry Looter. This might seem like

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Speaker 10: a weird tangent, but bear with us. While speaking with her,

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Speaker 10: Sherry told me that they only had one open case

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Speaker 10: against Perez for misdemeanor assault, stemming from an incident in

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Speaker 10: which he allegedly headbutted a prison guard. Where were his

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Speaker 10: murder charges?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Only other thing I can't figure out is why there

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Speaker 9: wouldn't have been reference to. September twelve, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 9: readshot a man multiple times in Saint Louis County on

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Speaker 9: Chamber Road. September thirteenth, twenty twenty one murdered Marne Haines allegedly,

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Speaker 9: also Saint Louis County. September sixteenth, twenty twenty one murdered

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Speaker 9: Pamela Abercrombie allegedly and also paralyzed someone only referred to

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Speaker 9: as our h. September nineteen, twenty twenty one allegedly murdered

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Speaker 9: Carrie Ross and then September twenty sixth, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 9: allegedly murdered Lester Robinson. Now I believe a couple of

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Speaker 9: those are Saint Louis City, but the rest certain occurred

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Speaker 9: in counties, but they weren't listed, And I was curious why.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you because I'm looking in my system

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Speaker 2: at every case he has in this office. And there

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Speaker 2: are two, the misdemeanor assault force that is pending and

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Speaker 2: the arson case. And there are none of those homicides

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Speaker 2: you mentioned. None of them are in March the stuff,

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Speaker 2: not as a refusal and not as a charged case,

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Speaker 2: none of them.

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Speaker 10: Now, this is strange, really strange. What is going on

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Speaker 10: at the prosecutor's office. Where are the assault and murder

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Speaker 10: charges against Perez Read?

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Speaker 16: You have the attorney's office.

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Speaker 9: I'm trying to reach Ryan Finland.

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Speaker 10: I'll get teach whatever just a moment, Thank you, right.

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Speaker 13: Hi, Ryan.

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Speaker 9: My name is rayno Vischewski. I'm a journalist and I

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Speaker 9: was actually just wondering if you might give me an

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Speaker 9: update on the Perez Read case.

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Speaker 10: Thinking that maybe I'd gotten something wrong. I called the

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Speaker 10: US Attorney's office. After all, if you remember when Perez

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Speaker 10: was arrested, it was by the FBI. He had traveled

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Speaker 10: into Kansas, where he committed his final crimes, and he

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Speaker 10: now had some federal charges pending as well. Homicide is

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Speaker 10: not something the Feds usually charge, but I figured i'd

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Speaker 10: ask about it and maybe the picture would come clear.

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Speaker 9: Sorry, I won't take much of your time. But I

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Speaker 9: just spoke with the Saint Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's office

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Speaker 9: and she doesn't see any case entered or proceeding in

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Speaker 9: any fashion in county around the four murders in the

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Speaker 9: same time frame. I'm trying to figure out where those

741
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Speaker 9: cases are, like, who's.

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Speaker 12: Taking on the sure and he was brought over for

743
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Speaker 12: our federal charges first on a complaint, and then he

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Speaker 12: was indicted, and then as our case was pending, Kansas

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Speaker 12: City charged him with the murder from that November one date.

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Speaker 16: And so we sent them over to Kansas City to.

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Speaker 4: Face that charge.

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Speaker 9: So you're letting the local cases proceed first, and then federal.

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Speaker 16: Correct there's local and arguably more serious cases proceed first.

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Speaker 16: He's just out in Kansas City on a rit to

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Speaker 16: face that murder charge, and then he'll come back to

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Speaker 16: federal custody.

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Speaker 10: If what Ryan is telling us is accurate, and we

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Speaker 10: have no reason to doubt that it is, the federal

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Speaker 10: government is going to let the local governments with their

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Speaker 10: more or serious charges against Perez, meaning the assault and

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Speaker 10: murder charges go first, and when those trials conclude, the

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Speaker 10: Feds will move forward with their lesser cases. So again,

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Speaker 10: where are the Saint Louis County charges against Perez for homicide?

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Speaker 10: And it doesn't end with him.

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Speaker 9: Obviously, we have Darren Seal's case in which Kilo was

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Speaker 9: not prosecuted. In trying to understand these failures to prosecute,

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Speaker 9: we wondered what might have prevented the prosecuting Attorney's office

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Speaker 9: from pursuing these cases. And that's when we learn that

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Speaker 9: Wesley Bell's chief of staff, Sam Alton, has held multiple

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Speaker 9: simultaneous jobs. Aside from his primary titles.

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Speaker 10: For serving as Wesley Bell's chief of staff at the

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Speaker 10: Prosecutor's Office, mister Alton has paid one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 10: thousand dollars a year. He is also being paid to

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Speaker 10: serve in a variety of legal capacities for several different municipalities,

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Speaker 10: and on top of that, he still works out of

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Speaker 10: his private practice. According to publicly available rerects, since beginning

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Speaker 10: his service under Bell in twenty nineteen, Alton appears to

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Speaker 10: have been paid six hundred and seventy four thousand dollars

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Speaker 10: by Saint Louis County and he's been able to double

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Speaker 10: that by moonlighting in these other municipalities. According to the

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Speaker 10: Saint Louis Post Dispatch. Now, this double triple quadruple dipping

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Speaker 10: into different public budgets for income doesn't appear to be illegal,

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Speaker 10: though it certainly does raise a host of questions of

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Speaker 10: both ethics and conflicts of interest. And how can it

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Speaker 10: not be called into question that the primary job that

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Speaker 10: of chief of staff for the Prosecuting Attorney of Saint

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Speaker 10: Louis County may not be receiving the attention and quality

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Speaker 10: of service that is due. And if this moonlighting is tolerated,

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Speaker 10: we have to wonder what else is tolerated. Why is

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Speaker 10: it that people like Troy Doyle Junior can fail to

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Speaker 10: appear when summoned a court over and over again, or

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Speaker 10: that people like Perez Red don't have homicide charges filed

789
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Speaker 10: against them, or that Kilo was never charged for Darren's murder.

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Speaker 10: Is Bell's staff spread too things, his direction from the

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Speaker 10: top two disorganized to handle the county caseload. When Wesley

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Speaker 10: Bell first ran for the office of the Prosecuting Attorney

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Speaker 10: of Saint Louis County, he leaned into the Ferguson movement

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Speaker 10: and ideas of justice reform. Now, in his fifty year

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Speaker 10: in that office, there are numerous examples where he has

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Speaker 10: failed to take dangerous people off the streets. And now

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Speaker 10: mister Bell has his sites on a higher office, that

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Speaker 10: of a US Congressman from Missouri's first congressional district, a

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Speaker 10: position currently held by Corey Busch.

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Speaker 2: Also breaking today, Saint Louis County Prosecutor Wesley Bell he'll

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Speaker 2: challenge Congresswoman Corey Bush for her seat in the House.

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Speaker 8: What a matchup. It will be sure to draw national

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Speaker 8: media attention, the prosecutor versus the activists, both of them

804
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Speaker 8: forging their pathways to power in the aftermath of the

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Speaker 8: uprising in Ferguson after the death of Michael Brown.

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Speaker 10: We of course wanted to speak directly with Wesley Bell,

807
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Speaker 10: and we tried over and over again, but no matter

808
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Speaker 10: how many times we asked or which channel we sent

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Speaker 10: our requests through, he never agreed to interview with us.

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Speaker 10: I actually bumped into him randomly in the lobby of

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Speaker 10: a Saint Louis hotel and I took the opportunity to

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Speaker 10: plete our case. In that conversation, he said we could

813
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Speaker 10: schedule a time to address our concerns, and then still nothing.

814
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Speaker 10: So we decided to attend a Saint Louis County Council

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Speaker 10: meeting in which Wesley Bell and his office were scheduled

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Speaker 10: to go over their budget. We thought if we spoke

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Speaker 10: at that meeting, we might pressure mister Bell into finally

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Speaker 10: agreeing to an interview. It turns out he didn't even

819
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Speaker 10: show up, and he left his team to field the

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Speaker 10: questions asked by the council members. Hi, I'm sorry for

821
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Speaker 10: the hesitation.

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Speaker 14: I was expecting mister Wesley Bell.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Now, Wesley had a previous engagement planned of town.

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Speaker 10: During the citizen comment portion of the meeting, we spoke

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Speaker 10: our piece. Here's our producer, John Duffy at the microphone.

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Speaker 6: I'm here tonight to talk about a concerning issue that

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Speaker 6: has come to our attention over the course of our

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Speaker 6: work investigating the twenty sixteen homicide of Darren Seal's. We

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Speaker 6: were happy to learn that Saint Louis County's Crimes against

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Speaker 6: Persons did, in fact seem to detect Darren's likely murderer.

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Speaker 6: Their suspect, Anthony Irvin went by the street name Kilo,

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Speaker 6: was our likely suspect as well. After conducting many community interviews.

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Speaker 6: What we found so concerning was that despite Saint Louis

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Speaker 6: County Police presenting an application of charges on mister Irvin

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Speaker 6: for prosecution on November two, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: He was never charged.

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Speaker 6: Mister Irvin himself was then murdered in April of twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty and in the year and five months between the

839
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Speaker 6: time when the police told the prosecutor's office he was

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Speaker 6: Darren Seal's probable murderer and his own death, Wesley Bell's

841
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Speaker 6: office never moved forward to have mister Irvin arrested, a

842
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Speaker 6: move which ironically could have saved mister Irvin's life. We

843
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 6: have been desperately trying to get mister Bell to sit

844
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Speaker 6: with us to answer our questions, but have been rebuffed

845
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Speaker 6: time and time again. When we go to air in

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Speaker 6: June of twenty twenty four with our show, we will

847
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Speaker 6: be forced to present facts to the public to make

848
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Speaker 6: his tenure as the county prosecutor look like a disaster

849
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Speaker 6: for the safety of local families. Messie grants it's the

850
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Speaker 6: time to speak with him on these issues and provides

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Speaker 6: whatever explanations he has for what appears to be a

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Speaker 6: series of failures.

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Speaker 10: Despite speaking publicly and despite our multiple requests for mister

854
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 10: Bell to go on the record and answer our questions.

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Speaker 10: As of this writing, he still has refused to do so.

856
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Speaker 10: And because of everything she learned about Wesley Bell and

857
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Speaker 10: her lack of faith in the level of dedication he

858
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Speaker 10: brings to his public service, Maria our Maria decided to

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Speaker 10: throw her hat in the ring and to run against

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Speaker 10: Wesley for the US House of Representatives.

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Speaker 9: There's a new candidate in the race from Missouri's first

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Speaker 9: congressional district.

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Speaker 2: Former Missouri Representative and Senator Maria Chappelle Nadal is running.

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Speaker 10: It was more than two years ago that we set

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Speaker 10: out to find the answer to who killed Darren Seals.

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Speaker 10: After conducting hundreds of hours of interviews and scouring thousands

867
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Speaker 10: of pages of documents, we think we've been able to

868
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Speaker 10: do that. Even if the finer details of exactly why

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Speaker 10: Darren was killed may still be uncertain. What we found

870
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Speaker 10: through our work lined up very closely with what Detective

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Speaker 10: Adams and the Saint Louis County Crimes against Persons Unit found,

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Speaker 10: and where we were off. Their work was able to

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Speaker 10: set most of the records straight. If it's true the

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Speaker 10: Kilo pulled the trigger on Darren and set the fire,

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Speaker 10: he got away with it. If it's true that LP

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Speaker 10: was in the jeep with him when Kilo shot Darren,

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Speaker 10: he got away with it. If it's true that Lil

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Speaker 10: Chris and whoever the driver he swopped places with took

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Speaker 10: part in moving Darren's jeep and body, they got away

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Speaker 10: with it. And if it's true that Darren's childhood friend

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Speaker 10: Jaybird put the whole thing into motion, he got away

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Speaker 10: with it. To many people, Darren was a hero. To others,

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Speaker 10: he was a real man, occupying various roles in their lives. Son, brother, friend.

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Speaker 10: We hope that listening to this show, all those people

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Speaker 10: feel some level of closure. And to everyone who is

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Speaker 10: baffled or shocked by what appears to be a high

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Speaker 10: level of dysfunction in Saint Louis County's ability to bring

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Speaker 10: criminals to justice, well that's next season on after the uprising.

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Speaker 5: Fel Don't you're gonna be either looking out where you're

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Speaker 5: gonna hang over. You're gonna have some type of exchange

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Speaker 5: with him that you that's gonna be memorable, that you

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Speaker 5: won't be able to forget.

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Speaker 13: He wasn't scared to speak his mind if he felt

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Speaker 13: you were being found. He's gonna call you out, whether

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Speaker 12: He was for his people.

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Speaker 4: He was for his people, and he was literally the

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Speaker 4: true anss of Malcolm X right. Any means that's is there.

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Speaker 3: If he was here, you know, hopefully he would be

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Speaker 3: doing what he loved, which was trying to be involved

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Speaker 3: in the music in Hopefully he would have been doing it.

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Speaker 9: How would your life be different if Darren and vinion it.

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Speaker 7: For the last seven years ago, I felt like we

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Speaker 7: would have honestly took over the world.

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Speaker 10: After The Uprising is a production of Double Asterisk and

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Speaker 10: acknowledge additional investigation that became part of this podcast was

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Speaker 10: conducted by Detective Adams in the Saint Louis County Police

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Speaker 10: and the FBI, who did not participate in this podcast,

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Jamie Dennis, Danny Gonzalez, Jonathan Hartwig, Bethan Macaluso,

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Speaker 9: Matt McDonough, Melissa McKinnes, Ryan Mears, Tony and Valovyshewski, and

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Speaker 10: Doa tracks used via fair use. So was the news reporting.

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