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Speaker 2: Oh, what a beautiful Monday morning. It is here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 2: The corner of Ventura and Vineyard is where we are.
Speaker 2: It's a day off for the Cowboys here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 2: But we never take a day off here on Mixshot.
Speaker 3: No days off.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Bill Jones, Savannah Humoler, and Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 2: the star of the show wearing his Cowboys star This morning,
Speaker 2: I was gonna put.
Speaker 3: My head like.
Speaker 4: Micah little Chili this morning.
Speaker 2: Degrees, Bill, you should have been over on the Ventura
Speaker 2: Harbor last night at nine o'clock when I was doing
Speaker 2: my sports guest and it was the temperature said sixty
Speaker 2: three degrees, but the wind chills said about forty three
Speaker 2: degrees over there.
Speaker 3: Did you have a jacket on?
Speaker 2: I had a sweater on. So yeah, for our live
Speaker 2: shot last night on CBS eleven in Dallas.
Speaker 3: For all I know is the other day when I
Speaker 3: took off on my bike ride in the morning and
Speaker 3: I took off and it was fifty eight degrees and
Speaker 3: I was just riding, and I'm going, is this heaven?
Speaker 3: I took the line from the Field of Dreams and
Speaker 3: I go, no, it's Oxnard.
Speaker 2: Well, we've got much to talk about a ladas of
Speaker 2: mixed shots. Of course, the team is off today. We've
Speaker 2: had the ramp up period. We put on the pads
Speaker 2: tomorrow and we can't wait for that. But the breaking
Speaker 2: news yesterday was an injury that occurred early in practice
Speaker 2: during a special team's drill. As Sam Williams.
Speaker 3: Goes down, yes, and can I do like the newspapers do?
Speaker 3: I was told by sources they told the Dallascowboys dot
Speaker 3: com that he had a torn ACL. They were hoping
Speaker 3: initially that it was just an MCL, but I was
Speaker 3: told after they kind of did their hand check or
Speaker 3: whatever before he got the RRI, that they feared that
Speaker 3: he tore his ACL, and sure enough tore his ACL
Speaker 3: did damage the MCL also, so right away before they
Speaker 3: even put the pads on, they lose a very prominent
Speaker 3: player for the season, which is, let's put it this way,
Speaker 3: I do this year before training camp, I write a column.
Speaker 3: I started doing and calling it mister Indispensable. But I
Speaker 3: decided a couple of years ago the Cowboys had too
Speaker 3: many indispensable players to pick one right, So I started
Speaker 3: picking one guy that had to be relevant, that had
Speaker 3: to step up and make a name for himself. Guess
Speaker 3: who I picked Mister relevant was?
Speaker 2: Sam?
Speaker 3: Was Sam Williams? Yeah? Absolutely so. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I was the kiss of death or what, but they
Speaker 3: needed him to step up. They lose Armstrong, Drnce Armstrong
Speaker 3: and free Agency, Dante Fowler Junior and free Agency, and
Speaker 3: those were the guys that were into rotation really ahead
Speaker 3: of Sam. And my thought is also that I know
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer wants to use Micah Parsons more at and
Speaker 3: so the next defensive end up had to be Sam Williams.
Speaker 3: It was time. This was his third year and it
Speaker 3: was second round. Yeah, it was time for the second
Speaker 3: round draft picks to start stepping up. And unfortunately, in
Speaker 3: a darn special teams drill not even contact and he
Speaker 3: goes down and they sort of knew right away. They
Speaker 3: waited to get an m R. I report. And when
Speaker 3: you guys were doing Jerry at the car wash, when
Speaker 3: he was finished. I said, had you gotten an update
Speaker 3: on Sam Williams. He goes, well, we're supposed to get
Speaker 3: it around three o'clock and it was like three point
Speaker 3: thirty and he said, I'm gonna probably get it here soon.
Speaker 3: He said, but it doesn't look good. So they kind
Speaker 3: of knew. They were just kind of hoping. And then
Speaker 3: I saw him over by the trainer's room. He was
Speaker 3: on one of the golf carts and they were or
Speaker 3: the cart. They took him away and they were taking
Speaker 3: him back to his room. So he just got back
Speaker 3: from his MRI. So, yeah, that's a that's a tough one.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, we could spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time on his absence and what it means to this
Speaker 3: team and who has to step up, but gosh, they
Speaker 3: just can't seem to get through that first week or so.
Speaker 3: Last year it was three torn acls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have to you come to expect
Speaker 2: that it's gonna happen. He just you just hope it's
Speaker 2: not you. If you're a player. You know, I can't
Speaker 2: understand every morning you wake up, a player wakes up
Speaker 2: and says a prayer of that this isn't my day,
Speaker 2: you know, because you see it around the league. There
Speaker 2: will there will be someone will keep a running tally
Speaker 2: of how many a cls there are around the league.
Speaker 2: It's just, uh.
Speaker 3: Goes on with this Brad Sham Brad Sham's line, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure you he uses it every year we go
Speaker 3: to training camp, Uh, he said, we go to training
Speaker 3: camp to find out who gets hurt. And it's just inevitable. Right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, feel bad for him, just because this needed
Speaker 3: to be his year to flourish his third year. He
Speaker 3: got here at ole Miss as sort of they looked
Speaker 3: at him as a pass rush specialist, but a guy
Speaker 3: that needed to play more football to become a complete
Speaker 3: defensive end. And I thought this was going to be
Speaker 3: the year for him to flourish, and four practices in
Speaker 3: he's done for the season.
Speaker 5: He's also such a key contributor on special teams, just
Speaker 5: the amount of work that he put in last season
Speaker 5: and some big plays that he had. It's a tough
Speaker 5: loss in that area as well. But I mean, when
Speaker 5: you're looking at the depth of this position, that's what
Speaker 5: is a little rocky right now. When do you guys
Speaker 5: think they're.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's right. One of the notes is we were
Speaker 2: getting ready and when Mickey talks about the Karwa, what
Speaker 2: that is is on one day during training camp with Jerry,
Speaker 2: and then we'll do it again with Dak later this week,
Speaker 2: probably on Thursday. I think all the TV stations get
Speaker 2: their opportunity to one by one to seven to ten
Speaker 2: minute or in the case of Mike Deucy, a fifteen
Speaker 2: minute interview in Sam Gannon with Jerry shot take well,
Speaker 2: pull back the curtain.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Channel four, which is Mike Deucy and Sam Gannon,
Speaker 2: they go first, Okay, everyone else just has one reporter here.
Speaker 2: Well with Deucey and Sam. Okay, they each have to
Speaker 2: ask a certain amount of questions. And so Mike's first
Speaker 2: question to Jerry, and there's eight other TV stations waiting
Speaker 2: in line. Jerry's going to do these one on ones
Speaker 2: with eight or nine TV stations that are here at camp.
Speaker 2: It's the first question that Ducy asked. He was about
Speaker 2: Sam Williams. Of course they didn't have the results yet,
Speaker 2: but just how much he means to the team. And
Speaker 2: Jerry went four minutes on the answer, and we get
Speaker 2: we get like five or six minutes is what we're
Speaker 2: supposed to get on these, and so David Bruce E
Speaker 2: b R. He's got the stopwatch on it, and it's
Speaker 2: like he just re zeroed it after this Sam Williams one.
Speaker 2: So but then you've got Mike asking a question, and
Speaker 2: Sam's got to ask a question. And then if Jerry
Speaker 2: is going to go two minutes on each one, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're up to ten.
Speaker 3: Well, see, I got there after just after they started,
Speaker 3: and I was it was curious that nobody else asked
Speaker 3: about Sam Williams, I said, And then after you said that,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, they said all he needed to say
Speaker 3: about Sam.
Speaker 2: Williams, and we didn't have it. Channel four only had it,
Speaker 2: and so we just went with it. And it was
Speaker 2: also incomplete at that time, right, And that's the thing
Speaker 2: is you're on you have to be with in those situations.
Speaker 2: You have to be really strategic on your questions with Jerry,
Speaker 2: because if you stumble and say, oh, what a great
Speaker 2: day it is here in Oxnard. Jerry, to his credit,
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have a stopwatch on him, he's just talking.
Speaker 2: You know, he'll go into a story about al Davis
Speaker 2: that takes four minutes, and now you only have two
Speaker 2: minutes left and you've got six more questions to ask.
Speaker 2: But anyway, prior to that, we were talking about Sam
Speaker 2: Williams and Jerry was saying that, you know, he has
Speaker 2: some Micah Parsons type qualities about him as far as
Speaker 2: it traits, as far as his athleticism and so forth,
Speaker 2: and I said, yeah, if you just go look at
Speaker 2: his stats in the limited playing time that he had,
Speaker 2: his sacks per snap in his first two years in
Speaker 2: the league eight.
Speaker 3: And a half.
Speaker 2: I think I did the numbers on it last night.
Speaker 2: It's eight and a half sacks and I think around
Speaker 2: five hundred and seventy six snaps. That is a sack
Speaker 2: every sixty seven snaps his career.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at Micah's sack rate over his snaps,
Speaker 2: it's a sack every sixty six snaps in his career,
Speaker 2: very similar numbers.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 2: Now, the difference is being a pass rush specialist. Sam
Speaker 2: Williams was usually only in on pass rush situations while
Speaker 2: Micah is in on every snap and so that's you
Speaker 2: can't really take that literally, but it does show the
Speaker 2: potential that Sam Williams has and how big a loss
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Well, he finished last year third on the team in
Speaker 3: sacks with four and a half. Obviously, Micah led with
Speaker 3: the fourteen, Dorren Somstrong had seven and a half. Dante
Speaker 3: Fowler was right behind Williams with four, Lawrence with four,
Speaker 3: so he had four and a half sacks already three
Speaker 3: hundred snaps roughly. So yeah, do the math on it.
Speaker 3: It's it's like seven sack every seven snapna apps right,
Speaker 3: if my math is correct, way off seven seven seven, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: seventy So gosh, it's just it would be a huge loss. Yes,
Speaker 3: it was every seven. I had seven on there, and
Speaker 3: it's like I forgot the zero. But yeah, and what
Speaker 3: what Savannah was pointing out, if you remember a guy
Speaker 3: that's uh six four two fifty five, they were using
Speaker 3: him as a gunner on the mont.
Speaker 2: He's Hollywood Henderson going down as a gunner or extra
Speaker 2: manly early in his career was a gunner.
Speaker 3: For the He just he just needed to remember that
Speaker 3: you can't get the punt return.
Speaker 2: He might he might save you, he might save you
Speaker 2: fifteen yards, but I might also uh give up fifteen.
Speaker 3: Or whatever a couple of times, Familliam. So let's let's
Speaker 3: go this way. So you lose him, say Michael Parsons
Speaker 3: at linebacker, so you got DeMarcus Lawrence and then well
Speaker 3: where do they go after that? And if you look
Speaker 3: at the depth chart, to me, it's Marshawn Neeland.
Speaker 2: Now, Marshaw Kneeland from day one out here in this
Speaker 2: ramp up period. I mean, he's up there with the
Speaker 2: ones a lot and he's impressive out here. And Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy talked about him in his press conference yesterday, his maturity,
Speaker 2: Marshaw kneelan he's going to have a real opportunity now
Speaker 2: to get a lot of playing time this year in
Speaker 2: his rookie season.
Speaker 3: And don't try to diminish his ability because he went
Speaker 3: to Western Michigan. This guy can play. I talked to
Speaker 3: Greg greg Ellis about him for quite a bit and
Speaker 3: he's just in love with the guy. He said, his
Speaker 3: motor runs. He said, he plays every play like the
Speaker 3: last play that he'll ever play in his life. They
Speaker 3: love his mowner. I was watching when the uh SO
Speaker 3: they went Levanon leven yesterday and the intensity was picking up.
Speaker 3: His pass rush was impactful. You know, they can't sack
Speaker 3: the quarterback, can't hit the quarterback, but he was pushing
Speaker 3: people into the quarterback. Uh So he's got to he's
Speaker 3: got to play now. He's got to step up because.
Speaker 2: I think he was gonna play anyway even without this injury.
Speaker 2: He was going to play a lot, and now they
Speaker 2: needing to.
Speaker 3: Play a lot because the rest of the guy, godness,
Speaker 3: there's no really experience at that position. Uh after after
Speaker 3: Sam Williams, I.
Speaker 5: Did get to chat with them for a little bit
Speaker 5: the other day and I asked him kind of where
Speaker 5: his headspace was at, given this as his first NFL camp,
Speaker 5: and he kind of credited to Marcus Lawrence and learning
Speaker 5: from him as a veteran, and just you know, his
Speaker 5: mind sat right now. He seemed very calm, and he
Speaker 5: seemed very focused. So that's what I appreciated about Kneeland.
Speaker 5: He's here to put in the work, but he's really
Speaker 5: looking up to DeMarcus Lawrence right now to learn that
Speaker 5: skill set. So you know, I think there's a lot
Speaker 5: of big things we're going to see out of him,
Speaker 5: but it's it's.
Speaker 4: The step up.
Speaker 2: And I think that when they drafted him, it was
Speaker 2: with the idea we'll see how much longer DeMarcus plays
Speaker 2: in his career. But he's the he was the heir
Speaker 2: apparent to DeMarcus Lawrence as a left base defensive end right,
Speaker 2: but he has the ability to play all along the
Speaker 2: defensive line, and they'll they flip DeMarcus and whoever's the
Speaker 2: other defensive end anyway.
Speaker 3: But strong side right and.
Speaker 2: So but but Niland, I mean, it's a I'm when
Speaker 2: they give him number ninety four, it raises my eyebrows
Speaker 2: right off the bat rcause that's a significant number to
Speaker 2: give a player.
Speaker 3: And uh tough guy too, by the way, because in
Speaker 3: in Uh, I believe it was the rookie mini camp.
Speaker 3: I've noticed that the second day of the camp he
Speaker 3: wasn't out there. And then when they went to OTA's
Speaker 3: when they weren't in helmets, he wasn't out there. And
Speaker 3: so I was like, uh, I heard you. You had
Speaker 3: to go see the doctor after that first practice, and
Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, I had to get my nose realigned.
Speaker 3: He goes, it was an accidental hit to my nose.
Speaker 3: And he goes, he goes, I could have played, but
Speaker 3: they didn't want me out there doing any drills without
Speaker 3: my helmet on.
Speaker 2: Right away, he sounds like a soccer player. Well, I
Speaker 2: mean a hockey player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, abandon on it. There's a little toughness to him.
Speaker 5: Also, by the way, well, Mickey and I got to
Speaker 5: talk to Mazzy Smith yesterday for a little bit after practice,
Speaker 5: and Micky, what did you think?
Speaker 3: Well, two things about Mazi so far. Number One, he's
Speaker 3: another guy they need to flourish, no doubt, can't have
Speaker 3: any season like he had last year, playing four snaps
Speaker 3: in a playoff game. So he was one that I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, Well a couple things. Number one, it
Speaker 3: appears and I think it's gracious for us to say
Speaker 3: he was two ninety last year, because I don't think
Speaker 3: he was over two ninety after they drafted him at
Speaker 3: three twenty eight for some reason, and it's a mystery
Speaker 3: to everybody. I asked why he lost all that weight. Well,
Speaker 3: it appears now he's back over three hundred. He said.
Speaker 3: He's probably an ideal playing right would be around three
Speaker 3: ten three point fifteen. Well, that's what you want for
Speaker 3: a nose tackle, right, a guy that you want to
Speaker 3: be a run stuffer to hold up things so the
Speaker 3: linebackers can clean up uh in the running game. So
Speaker 3: two things. The day before or it was two days before,
Speaker 3: at the end of practice, he got in a little
Speaker 3: skirmish and I was like, God, bless him, that's that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it was like, there, he's got some red blood
Speaker 3: in his veins. There's some fire. Finally, yes, exactly. And
Speaker 3: then the other day and you know, when we talked
Speaker 3: to him, that was the first time he'd spoken, because
Speaker 3: he looked like he was going to talk the day before,
Speaker 3: and then he got in a one on one and
Speaker 3: he didn't want to talk to anybody else. Uh So,
Speaker 3: at least he admitted what his playing weight was gonna be.
Speaker 3: And he said that They asked him about his goals
Speaker 3: for this year and he said, it's a clean slate,
Speaker 3: and I'm going it's a good thing. The slates clean,
Speaker 3: you know, start from scratch. But they need him to
Speaker 3: be a player because after that, you know, they drafted,
Speaker 3: uh I keep forgetting the guy's first name, Rogers just
Speaker 3: seventh rounder out of seventh round. And then they've got
Speaker 3: Savannahs Guy Denzel Dackson or Dackson Denzel.
Speaker 5: Denzel Dockson, Yes, yes, from the Bahamas are international player.
Speaker 3: A rookie free agent and Carl Davis and Carl Davis but.
Speaker 2: Veteran guy who is here they picked up in November
Speaker 2: last year. He's a great teammate, he's a great team guy,
Speaker 2: veteran guy, but he's not a guy that uh will
Speaker 2: be getting a lot of I mean, he'll get he'll
Speaker 2: be in a rotation, right, he makes the team whatever.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's a this is what this is
Speaker 2: what happens when you And this is the whole reason
Speaker 2: why there's so much consternation right now on the big
Speaker 2: contracts that are due with CD and with Dak and
Speaker 2: then next year with Micah is you have to have
Speaker 2: players who fit under this salary cap, and you have
Speaker 2: to have young players that step up. And that's why
Speaker 2: how devastating it is to have an injury to a
Speaker 2: young player like Sam Williams yesterday, because he at least
Speaker 2: had a couple of years of experience. And now you're
Speaker 2: leaning on guys who may have been on the squad,
Speaker 2: the practice squad or whatever the last couple of years
Speaker 2: who they see potential, but they haven't done it before
Speaker 2: in this league. But it was not only on the edge,
Speaker 2: but also you look at defensive tackle. They lost Jonathan
Speaker 2: Hankins in free agency, went to Seattle. Nevill Gallimore's now
Speaker 2: in Miami, and they weren't able to do anything in
Speaker 2: free agency. It wasn't that they didn't want to. They
Speaker 2: couldn't because of they're financially strapped because of the money
Speaker 2: that they got to pay to I mean, a year
Speaker 2: from now, they could have the the highest paid quarterback,
Speaker 2: the highest paid wide receiver, and the highest paid defensive
Speaker 2: player in the league, which roster.
Speaker 3: No other team has. Right by the way, no other
Speaker 3: team has three of those. So that's why when you
Speaker 3: invest the first round pick on Mozzi, and even though
Speaker 3: it was only the twenty sixth pick in the first round,
Speaker 3: the guy's got to stepped up. And if everybody wants
Speaker 3: to understand what maybe the teammates think of him, just
Speaker 3: go find Micah Parson's interview from the second day of
Speaker 3: training camp. Someone asked him what do you think that
Speaker 3: Mozzi can be? And he goes, it's not what I
Speaker 3: think he can be. He has to be. It's not
Speaker 3: like we got to sit there and hope he can
Speaker 3: do this and this. He needs to do it now.
Speaker 3: And truer words were never spoken. And he talked about
Speaker 3: how he's keeping an eye on him he's making sure
Speaker 3: he's doing what he's supposed to do. Bring him along
Speaker 3: getting conditioned because Stall the off season recovering from a
Speaker 3: shoulder surgery. All right, the first practice he had, that's
Speaker 3: probably a good time of taker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the time to take a break. And
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Speaker 2: at talk snard to just a moment.
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Speaker 3: To first story in the magazine. Exactly is there?
Speaker 2: Can we get a sneak peek of what it was about?
Speaker 3: It was just about a lot of the questions that
Speaker 3: they had to answer, and the fact that when you
Speaker 3: go twelve and five and then lose in the first
Speaker 3: round of the playoffs, they don't grandfather you in the
Speaker 3: next year to go twelve and five. They don't grandfather
Speaker 3: you back in to the playoffs. You got to start
Speaker 3: from scratch. And one of the things I had Dak
Speaker 3: talking about, and you know, he sort of talked about
Speaker 3: it when he was talking about his contract, was you
Speaker 3: gotta stay where your feet are. You can't be sitting
Speaker 3: there and try to think, oh, we got to win
Speaker 3: twelve games just to get back in the playoffs. You
Speaker 3: get overwhelmed. You got to start from scratch. You start over,
Speaker 3: one step at a time and go through the process.
Speaker 3: So he was really good about pointing out that while
Speaker 3: losing that Green Bay playoff game can motivate you, it
Speaker 3: can't be this dark cloud over you the whole time.
Speaker 3: I thought he was really good talking about it before
Speaker 3: he got here.
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of answering, Speaking of answering questions,
Speaker 2: Micah was so good And as Mickey said in the
Speaker 2: last segment, go find the Micah Parsons press conference from Friday.
Speaker 2: I think it was on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Because
Speaker 2: when he has puts his mind to it, there he
Speaker 2: is so candid on every answer. In fact, I walked
Speaker 2: away from that thinking, you know what Micah has already
Speaker 2: established himself as one of the top players in Cowboys
Speaker 2: history on the field in just three years. You'll just
Speaker 2: look at the first three years of his career. He's
Speaker 2: also established himself in my mind, as one of the
Speaker 2: top five interviews probably in Cowboys history.
Speaker 4: Just why is that?
Speaker 2: He's because he doesn't give you canned answers. I mean,
Speaker 2: he listens to your question, he'll answers it. He's got
Speaker 2: personality with it, and he's got a fire about him,
Speaker 2: you know, and he has a I'm just thoroughly entertained
Speaker 2: this listening to him.
Speaker 3: Talk I think last year and that is a promo
Speaker 3: for the Edge podcast. Ah, he answers questions in a way.
Speaker 3: You're sitting there going so does he Does he lay
Speaker 3: awake at night thinking up these things to say? Or
Speaker 3: is it just spontananeous. It's spontaneous.
Speaker 2: After his football career, Michael Parsons can be Charles Barkley
Speaker 2: on a NFL studio show.
Speaker 3: Which I'm sure already has that in his mind. Right.
Speaker 5: Hey, he hosts his own podcast. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5: He has that on camera presence.
Speaker 3: So your interview with Jerry, did you learn anything that
Speaker 3: you maybe didn't or something that stood out when you've
Speaker 3: got your eight minutes with him or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that you were listening. Did you learn
Speaker 2: an you pretty much know what you're gonna get. It's
Speaker 2: and by the way, Jerry was very he was in
Speaker 2: a very good, talkative mood yesterday trying to think through
Speaker 2: you know we talked about uh well. I started it
Speaker 2: off saying that, Okay, I had a dream, that vision
Speaker 2: when I woke up this morning that there's going to
Speaker 2: be not one, but two contracts signed. Actually was thinking
Speaker 2: this week, but I couched it to say this camp
Speaker 2: and I do think that's gonna happen. I think that
Speaker 2: they're going to get both of them done.
Speaker 3: This sounds like the closer ond. Yeah, right. I think
Speaker 3: that helps, you know, speak any of those contracts. And
Speaker 3: I wanted to point that out. These quarterbacks that are
Speaker 3: getting signed, they're all getting signed to their second quarter
Speaker 3: second contract, most of them to.
Speaker 2: Jeorge Burrow. There's five or six up Lawrence, all of them.
Speaker 3: Here's here's the deal with those contracts. When they sign
Speaker 3: them like that early, they can sign them to a
Speaker 3: five year or four year extension whatever it ends up being.
Speaker 3: But the contract then is over five years, because they
Speaker 3: had one year left on their original contract, and the
Speaker 3: original contract for a quarterback, the base salary is probably
Speaker 3: no more than four million dollars. So if you add
Speaker 3: the total of the extension, what everybody says, it's fifty
Speaker 3: five million. But if you add the four million that
Speaker 3: he still had to play for, right, and divide it
Speaker 3: by five, then all of a sud a sudden, he's
Speaker 3: averaging forty million dollars a year over the length of
Speaker 3: their control over him. And so you know, no one
Speaker 3: looks at it that way. I figured out that to
Speaker 3: his contract over five years, he's going to average forty
Speaker 3: two point six million.
Speaker 2: Dollars if you factor in this year's.
Speaker 3: Yes, the base salary, because.
Speaker 2: What he's getting is for this year he gets a signing.
Speaker 3: Signing bonus exactly. And now you can divide the signing
Speaker 3: bonus pro rated over five years instead of four years, right,
Speaker 3: And so that's huge. The other thing is, with a
Speaker 3: lot of these contracts being signed, especially justin Jefferson, the
Speaker 3: last year in those contracts aren't guaranteed. So they give
Speaker 3: you how much it's guaranteed, and then the last year
Speaker 3: they'll stuff forty three million non guaranteed money into the
Speaker 3: base salary, and so you can't it blows up the average,
Speaker 3: but it's not guaranteed, so you can get out of
Speaker 3: the contract for just you know, a little bit of
Speaker 3: dead money. So there there's ways that you can structure
Speaker 3: these things, because justin Jefferson's if you look at it,
Speaker 3: it's a thirty million dollar a year a year average,
Speaker 3: not thirty five if you take out that last year
Speaker 3: that he's not guaranteed. So there's a lot that goes
Speaker 3: into that structure of how these things are. And the
Speaker 3: agent wants you to think, oh, it's thirty five million
Speaker 3: a year, but there's a lot of stuff in there
Speaker 3: that's not thirty five million a year. So that's my
Speaker 3: rant on it.
Speaker 2: As you were talking, I was sitting there looking up
Speaker 2: Jordan Loves. I'm not prepared to speak on this yet
Speaker 2: because I got to look at all these numbers. I
Speaker 2: was looking at over the cap on Love's contract, which
Speaker 2: was announce as four years, two hundred and twenty million, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: And again I can't speak on it because on over
Speaker 2: the cap it's got him out where he's a free
Speaker 2: agent in twenty nine, one two three, Yeah, so that
Speaker 2: would make sense. But I think his deal, I can't
Speaker 2: remember the exact numbers, but I think for this year
Speaker 2: he was due to make eleven million something like that.
Speaker 2: He signed last year a two year make good basically
Speaker 2: a two year, twenty or twenty two million dollar contract,
Speaker 2: And so you're factoring that eleven million dollars whatever it
Speaker 2: was that he was going to make this year over
Speaker 2: the five years, and that springs down the average value
Speaker 2: of the other thing on that Mickey, when you're talking
Speaker 2: about these quarterbacks that are getting their second contracts, well,
Speaker 2: with Dak, this is his third contract, so we've already
Speaker 2: gone down the road here where he got a four year,
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty million dollar deal, which naturally has
Speaker 2: void years on the end of it, and so like,
Speaker 2: for instance, if Dak leaves after this year, there's a
Speaker 2: forty million dollar cap hit even if he doesn't play
Speaker 2: for the Cowboys next year. So the Cowboys are having
Speaker 2: to factor that money into the third contract that that
Speaker 2: Dak is signing. And so it's much more complicated than
Speaker 2: what it is with the younger quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: And the consensus this entire week so far is that
Speaker 5: conversations as far as DAK contract goes, is that there's
Speaker 5: conversations happening and they're good conversations and they're positive conversations.
Speaker 5: So that's what the consensus is. When it will get
Speaker 5: done is the bigger question. Hopefully it will be well
Speaker 5: sooner and.
Speaker 2: I think and I think what happened on Friday was
Speaker 2: very significant in the Dak presco. That's why I think
Speaker 2: that the deal will get done before the season starts Friday.
Speaker 5: Can you recap.
Speaker 2: Because of what happened on Friday, which was Tua signing
Speaker 2: his contract and Jordan Loves signing with Packers, Because now
Speaker 2: that leaves Dak Prescott as the only incumbent starting quarterback
Speaker 2: in the league who's going into the final year of
Speaker 2: his contract. So and so the leaves have fallen off
Speaker 2: the trees now and so now you there's you don't
Speaker 2: have to wait on Okay, what what are the Packers
Speaker 2: going to do with Jordan Love? That's set right now
Speaker 2: where fifty five million dollars a year, the agent number
Speaker 2: fifty five million dollars a year, not factoring in what
Speaker 2: Mickey was just talking about, where you've got the last
Speaker 2: year of the current contract for both two and Jordan
Speaker 2: repea factor in that is what you're working off of.
Speaker 2: So both sides know, okay, this is what we're working
Speaker 2: off of. Now, let's come to.
Speaker 3: A when they when they had his average, what counted
Speaker 3: in the average was not only are they given guys
Speaker 3: signing bonuses, they're given option bonuses. Well, the option bonus
Speaker 3: is sometimes it's for however many years, it's guaranteed. But
Speaker 3: the last two years he has a thirty nine point
Speaker 3: five million dollar option bonus in twenty twenty six and
Speaker 3: a thirty one point five million dollar option bonus in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. That's not guaranteed. So if you add
Speaker 3: that up, that's what seventy million dollars are, seventy one
Speaker 3: million dollars in that contract out of the total that
Speaker 3: is not guaranteed. But they average that in because that's
Speaker 3: money he can make. But if it's not guaranteed, then
Speaker 3: his average kind of goes down to about twenty million
Speaker 3: dollars a year. So that's why when Jerry says he's
Speaker 3: got to see some of the leaves fall, well, it's
Speaker 3: not the package leave, it's the inside of the contract,
Speaker 3: the guaranteed money that you need to factor in because
Speaker 3: that's what you're trying to get to your guy. And
Speaker 3: as Bill said, they still got to account for forty
Speaker 3: million dollars of restructure bonus on Dak's contract, So whatever
Speaker 3: you pay him, that's added in because it's already there
Speaker 3: in in voided years.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I pulled up two his numbers on over the
Speaker 2: cap and his deal was announced as a four year,
Speaker 2: two hundred twelve million dollar deal two hundred twelve point
Speaker 2: four or something like this, like fifty three point one million,
Speaker 2: which made him at the time because Jordan Love signed
Speaker 2: late later in the day, the third highest contract per
Speaker 2: season fifty three point one. You have Joe Burrow and
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and now Jordan Love at fifty five million
Speaker 2: per year. Okay, but truly is what Mickey was pointing
Speaker 2: out with the they're still working off the last year
Speaker 2: of tuas contract here, So if you factor it over
Speaker 2: five years, the actual average per year over the next
Speaker 2: five years that the Dolphins are paying Toua is not
Speaker 2: fifty three point one million dollars a year. It's forty
Speaker 2: seven million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so that's that's what when Jerry says
Speaker 3: that everybody jumps on him right away, right, but he's
Speaker 3: he's factoring in what the real numbers are.
Speaker 2: That's why Jerry says he's good at math, that's right.
Speaker 2: Despite it, did Jerry address that. Jerry address that with
Speaker 2: the media out here after the opening ceremonies the other
Speaker 2: day where he reads what the writers are saying about it,
Speaker 2: and that he's not good at math when he says,
Speaker 2: if you sign all these guys at seventy percent of
Speaker 2: the cap, well, Jerry is factoring in all that dead money.
Speaker 3: Right, and he's got to account for it. Right.
Speaker 2: It's a salary cap.
Speaker 3: That's how he got to seventy percent because because if
Speaker 3: you look but if you looked at it realistically, say
Speaker 3: they gave Dak sixty million a year, and they give
Speaker 3: Lamb and Parsons forty million a year. So add that
Speaker 3: up sixty forty that's one hundred and one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty million. The cap this year, for an example, is
Speaker 3: two fifty five. So three guys are basically taking up
Speaker 3: half of your cap. And then if you add the
Speaker 3: dead money in there, that's how he got to.
Speaker 2: Say and the reason why Jerry says he knows better
Speaker 2: than anybody living about the future of the salary cap
Speaker 2: is I mean, he told us that he spent eight
Speaker 2: or ten days in la Or earlier this month where
Speaker 2: that Sunday ticket trial is going on, and one of
Speaker 2: the witnesses on there and.
Speaker 3: Which could cost them money, which would lower the salary
Speaker 3: cap for the.
Speaker 2: Next day, gets resolved. You don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: So one last thing on this, and I'm tired of
Speaker 3: hearing it. Just sign them, right, you don't know what
Speaker 3: the other sides asking for. Everybody's like, well, justin Jefferson
Speaker 3: there it is thirty five million a year. Well, if
Speaker 3: I'm the agent, thirty five is my low part, right,
Speaker 3: I want forty. It's the same of course, right, yeah, exactly, see,
Speaker 3: I want forty. So you don't know what they're asking for.
Speaker 3: And so that's why this idea of while you're dragging
Speaker 3: your feet trying to sign these guys, well those guys
Speaker 3: are dragging their feet getting their money.
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Speaker 2: Savannah's sightings at training camp when mix shots continue in
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Speaker 2: Mickey, I think has a weather report.
Speaker 3: Sixty degrees.
Speaker 5: The sun is coming in.
Speaker 3: I feel it. It's nice. There's something wrong with this,
Speaker 3: it said ox Nard. Spotty drizzle ending in twelve minutes.
Speaker 2: There are there's not a cloud of the sky clear blue.
Speaker 3: If it drizzles, it'll be a sprinkler system. What is that?
Speaker 5: It will be the sprinklers right here on the fields.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what though. One thing here. If you're
Speaker 2: in the sun, yes, there's a there's probably I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. It's ten degree difference maybe from
Speaker 2: the sun to the shape.
Speaker 3: The curvature of the Earth. Because we're closer to this.
Speaker 2: It's the breeze. Okay, it's the breeze coming off the
Speaker 2: at Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 3: Is the hottest day time of the day is when
Speaker 3: we have Mike McCarthy's president.
Speaker 2: It is. That's the hottest place on earth.
Speaker 5: But Mickey always wears a long sleeve like dark shirt
Speaker 5: and is just sitting there.
Speaker 3: What well, because I started off at sixty degrees and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, it feels like it's seventy five.
Speaker 2: All right, wait to him.
Speaker 3: You notice they've put carpet down, so it takes some
Speaker 3: of the steam off the tennis.
Speaker 2: Curt Okay, very true. I didn't know this. I noticed
Speaker 2: the carpet, but I didn't realize that was.
Speaker 3: What was why. Yeah, well you ask operations here, you're yes,
Speaker 3: I ordered that.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well I played a part in it.
Speaker 3: But you love the blue carpet.
Speaker 5: Yesterday, Micky and I were standing on the sideline watching
Speaker 5: our offensive line just runs some drills, and Mickey and
Speaker 5: I were watching Chuma Doga and I mentioned, you know
Speaker 5: Tuma the other day we were talking about him on
Speaker 5: the show a little bit, and I said to Mickey,
Speaker 5: I said, you know what, Mickey, so every morning, I
Speaker 5: get up around five thirty five forty five, I go
Speaker 5: on a nice walk in Oxford.
Speaker 3: Dragon. Sorry, I like to get up.
Speaker 5: You get up really too.
Speaker 2: But back in the day, that's when some of us
Speaker 2: came in a train camp.
Speaker 3: It's like, how did we survive Austin? That's all I love. Well.
Speaker 5: One of the first people that I see walking towards
Speaker 5: the weight room every single morning is Chuma Doga and
Speaker 5: Mickey and I were looking at him yesterday and Micky
Speaker 5: even pointed out he looks like he lost a little
Speaker 5: bit of weight. He looks just healthier, a little bit
Speaker 5: more physical than I think we had thought last season.
Speaker 3: They're listed.
Speaker 2: And players just off the cuff are singing his praises.
Speaker 2: I think Dak can't remember who else they unsolicited. They
Speaker 2: brought up Tchuma as a guy that has really come on.
Speaker 3: Having said that, who was taking the first team snap?
Speaker 2: Said Tyler yesterday?
Speaker 5: First round pick Tyler.
Speaker 2: You know what this was interesting? My photographer at CBS eleven,
Speaker 2: Bill Ellis, he mentioned to me yesterday, said, man that
Speaker 2: Tyler Gaydon, he gets off the ball quick. I've never
Speaker 2: seen someone get off the ball as quick as him,
Speaker 2: and so he's tight on him, shooting him at the snap,
Speaker 2: and he loses him when he gets off the off
Speaker 2: the snap, and so I found that interesting, which reminded
Speaker 2: me I remember Leon Lett and speaking of Austin training camp,
Speaker 2: there's I've never seen a player get off the ball
Speaker 2: faster than leon Lett did, especially early in his career.
Speaker 2: I remember watching Leon out of Imporia State his rookie
Speaker 2: year in Austin, and I'm going, who's that guy? I mean,
Speaker 2: just getting off the ball so quickly. So maybe Geiden's
Speaker 2: got that same instinct about it.
Speaker 3: So when they did their gosh, I lose track to
Speaker 3: the opening ceremony, they did a mock game, basically a
Speaker 3: walk through practice. Well, Geyiton was taking the first team
Speaker 3: snaps and I'm like, okay, it's the walkthrough.
Speaker 2: Maybe show Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then yesterday when they went team, he was the
Speaker 3: first team left tackle. So they didn't take very long
Speaker 3: to say, okay, let's go because they need it right
Speaker 3: as I said, And you made fun of me. Chuma
Speaker 3: is a good swing tackle, but I don't want them
Speaker 3: out there starting right no matter what kind of shape
Speaker 3: he's in. And if you look at what they paid him,
Speaker 3: he got one of those veteran exception contracts where you
Speaker 3: get a little bit more but it doesn't count against
Speaker 3: the salary cap. And so he's in that boat. So
Speaker 3: that tells you it's like it's a one year deal,
Speaker 3: nothing much guarantee. So they need Geyton to step up
Speaker 3: and be that player. And it looks like he's on
Speaker 3: his way now. When you asked him about taking some
Speaker 3: snaps with the first team, he said, I just go
Speaker 3: where the coaches tell me to go. Right. He was
Speaker 3: very everything, what's your goal to play with attitude and grit,
Speaker 3: you know? And uh and I said okay. Because he
Speaker 3: was very talkative when he came in for his draft
Speaker 3: press conference.
Speaker 2: I think he was just so giddy that he got
Speaker 2: attracted by his favorite team, right, you know, And then
Speaker 2: we get he gets around veterans and and even with
Speaker 2: Duke in the offensive line guru that he works with
Speaker 2: on a daily basis. You know, he gets great advice
Speaker 2: from people that know you're a rookie, you know your place.
Speaker 5: But I think the real work is going to come
Speaker 5: in tomorrow when they're in pads, and that's going to
Speaker 5: be a good thing to see out of Tyler Guidon
Speaker 5: even coach McCarthy said yesterday, the padded practices are critical
Speaker 5: for the development of our team, but especially for our
Speaker 5: offensive line.
Speaker 2: We know what we're looking for. Well, you know what
Speaker 2: we're watching tomorrow. It's Micah versus Geyiton right tomorrow.
Speaker 3: And it may it's shining on what they're doing and
Speaker 3: maybe Nielan versus Geiton tomorrow because.
Speaker 2: If but but I want to see Micah versus Guidon.
Speaker 2: So and Mike has said. Michael was asked about it.
Speaker 2: I think it was his interview with the NFL network
Speaker 2: out here on Saturday. He was asked about it and
Speaker 2: he said, Uh, Daniel Jeremiah asked, if you're gonna give
Speaker 2: him a bull rush, what are you gonna do? No,
Speaker 2: it's all speed. I'm going all speed. See if you
Speaker 2: can handle his speed.
Speaker 3: And that's the key thing right now. Because so Michael
Speaker 3: was pretty funny when they asked him, uh about Tyrone
Speaker 3: Smith not being here. I think his answer was, uh,
Speaker 3: I'm happy and sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a happy and sad day that for the team,
Speaker 2: just the way he said it, right, Savannah, you asked
Speaker 2: about what is it about Mike? You know, it's just
Speaker 2: it's his facial expression, you know, the way he's talking
Speaker 2: Travon right and Tuts what happened to he's describing. You know,
Speaker 2: he's like like this. He talks about how intelligent he is,
Speaker 2: how he keeps great notes and whatever. But he walks
Speaker 2: around like, you know, whats right? We used to say
Speaker 2: Putts and it's like he had to define what Tuts
Speaker 2: was right. And then he said, he said, and by
Speaker 2: the way he goes, Tyrant was my welcome to the
Speaker 2: NFL moment. So when we walked off, we were right
Speaker 2: over there, and I said, what was the moment he goes?
Speaker 2: I walked into the locker room and saw.
Speaker 3: Him and what he and what he was saying. It's like,
Speaker 3: I gotta play guys like that, you know. And you
Speaker 3: see when you see and think about Tyron, when you
Speaker 3: see him when he's got those knee braces on his
Speaker 3: elbows and he's got his helmet on, he looks like
Speaker 3: the gladiator they show at the beginning of the Fox
Speaker 3: pregame show or whatever. You know, that big thing there.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you asked me about Jerry's interview yesterday,
Speaker 2: and I prefaced it by Tyler Geyton question by saying
Speaker 2: that Tyron Smith no longer here, right, for the first
Speaker 2: time in twelve years or whatever. And my question is
Speaker 2: about Tyler, But Jerry wanted to talk about Tyron first.
Speaker 2: And you talk about a player that Jerry has immense
Speaker 2: respect for. Tyron Smith is going into that ring of
Speaker 2: honor probably as soon as he retires's.
Speaker 3: Mind, and then five years later into the profile, you know.
Speaker 3: And what somebody had told me. One of the reasons, well,
Speaker 3: one of the reasons he got guaranteed twelve million dollars
Speaker 3: right because they gave him like these playings game incentives.
Speaker 3: But he had accomplished all those this past year, so
Speaker 3: it's guarant they have to count for that money if
Speaker 3: he doesn't. If he doesn't do it, then they get
Speaker 3: a rebate next year. So it wasn't that whatever the
Speaker 3: base salary was the Cowboys couldn't match. It was the
Speaker 3: guaranteed there.
Speaker 2: Was like the poison pill.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly it was. But somebody told me, well,
Speaker 3: one of the reasons he went there was they're going
Speaker 3: to probably with Aaron Rodgers on the field, throw the
Speaker 3: ball more than he would have to run block, and
Speaker 3: that's easier on him pass blocking than having to run block.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but anyway, yeah, he's not here, and Mike,
Speaker 3: that was what a great answer. I'm happy and sad.
Speaker 2: And it's a happy and sad day for us too.
Speaker 2: It's sad because we're not going to see each other
Speaker 2: the rest of the day, but it's happy because we're
Speaker 2: off the rest of the day at least maybe y'all.
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Speaker 2: day off of the players, and we appreciate his work.
Speaker 2: As always, we're out of time here. What do you
Speaker 2: say we do it again? Uh? Wednesday?
Speaker 3: That's better than waiting what I'm here for it. We
Speaker 3: wait for last Thursday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And so on Wednesday we have our review
Speaker 2: of the first padded practice of training camp. For it tomorrow,
Speaker 2: great day, we will hear an ox Snard.
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