1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: My name is Eva Longoria and I am and welcome 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores our past 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: and present through food. On every episode, we'll talk about 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: the history of some of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: So make yourself at home, eh, Rachel. This is an 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: exciting episode because it's Women's History Month, which could be 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: every month of the year. Yes, I agree, I agree. 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: You and I are always talking about amazing women. Yes, 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: you're one of bab you're one of them banks. I 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: don't know, but yes, I love talking about women, celebrating women, 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: and talking about cookbooks. I'm obsessed with talking about cookbooks, 12 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: especially she is she is, she is every time I 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: come over, I'm like carrying million books. Um, but there's 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: so many ones, you know, cookbooks written by little known women, 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: and I love to highlight these. And one of the 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: women that we're talking about today I learned from you, 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: and so I'm excited to talk about her, and I'm 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: excited to talk about an And we just did a 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: TEXTBACS episode and both of these women are have a 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: foreign MX. So oh so we're Chicanas before the term Chicana. 21 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we're going away back yeah, yeah, we're going 22 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: away like eighteen ninety eight, ninety eight. I love talking 23 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: about cookbooks, and so I'm excited to dive into these 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: amazing women, um, these powerhouse Latinas in the eighteen hundreds 25 00:01:50,440 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: who were really revolutionary one hundred percent. I first want 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: to talk about who was born right when California became 27 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: part of the US. So she was living in this 28 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: in this world, this sort of in between world. But 29 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: she in eighteen ninety eight, when she was fifty years old, 30 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: she became the first lepina to write a Spanish language cookbook. 31 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: What's interesting about Incarnacion, which is such a beautiful name, 32 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: like one of those beautiful names she was born. She 33 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: was born into an elite family. But during this time 34 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: where California was quote unquote sold to the United States 35 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: after the Mexican American War, they lost their land. They did. 36 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: They lost her land. Her grandfather and her uncles were killed. 37 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: Their ranch has taken. I mean, this was the story 38 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: of so many people during this time period. And they 39 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: were these elite educated people who all of a sudden 40 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: became second class citizens in their own home and all 41 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: of a sudden had nothing. I mean, they were from 42 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: Santa Clara in northern California. Their family had the first 43 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: house in that area. She was fifty years old, was 44 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: unmarried woman, very well educated her father. Before her father died, 45 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: she begged her mother to give her daughters a very 46 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: good education. And we know about this from this book. 47 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: She wrote up the book for her nieces, her sister. 48 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: One of her sister had married an Anglo, and she 49 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: was afraid that her nieces were going to forget who 50 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: they were because their father was white. So she did 51 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: not want then to lose their roots and lose a 52 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: sense of who they were. Oh, so she decided to 53 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: write this cookbook and calls it the Spanish Cook, not 54 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the Mexican Cook, the Spanish Cook. That's not surprising because 55 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: I think, you know, with the new Anglo majority in 56 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: California at this time, to be called a Mexican was 57 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: pretty derogatory. So a lot of these elite Californios always 58 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: called themselves Spanish, which is not wrong, by the way, 59 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: because at this time, you know, a lot of those 60 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: old Spanish families never intermarried with indigenous people or Mexicans, 61 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: and so, you know, I do think though some of 62 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: it was about like, oh, we don't want to have 63 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: the label of Mexicans. Let's call ourselves Spanish, yes, exactly. 64 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: And this is something that sort of stuck up even today. 65 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we refer to the rad rice as 66 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: Spanish rice. I don't know why it's called Spanish rice, 67 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: because nobody in Spain eats the red rice. Now, I 68 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: mean baya is red, but that's from saffron. It's a 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: totally different thing. It's more using the term Spanish, like 70 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: to his Spanish size these these things. So it becomes 71 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: a sort of very very confusing, and it kind of 72 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: starts within what are the recipes? What are the recipes 73 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: in it? Like, what are some of the dishes? She 74 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: has about eight hundred dishes. One thing that's interesting is 75 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: that fifteen percent of the recipes come from UM Michicano, 76 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: which is the earliest cookbook published in Mexico. So fifteen 77 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: percent of the recipes are from this cookbook UM. But 78 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: she has about eight hundred recipes. Oh my god, I 79 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: know it's it's it's a proper it's a proper cookbook, 80 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: like a full on cookbook. She has tons of chi 81 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: lessons of spices, vinegar, wine, m she has three different 82 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: recipes for chi laki les. She has fourteen recipes for tensis, 83 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: were teen recipes for chila. How many ways can you 84 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: make chili? You could do you could do meet, you 85 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: could do cheese, you could do vegetables, different sun size, 86 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: different cheeses. UM ten of recipes for codfish, including the 87 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: bacca now, the Christmas baccan now. And she has fifty 88 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: seven different size sas fifty fun sizes. This is all 89 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: in one book. This is all in one book. Yeah, 90 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: this is all in one book. And so was she 91 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: the first Spanish cookbook in the US or there was 92 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: a couple others before hers? This is the first Spanish 93 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: language cookbook in the US. There were other Spanish sort 94 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: of Mexican cookbooks that had been printed in Mexico that 95 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: were then printed in the US and more in the 96 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: East Coast. And then there were other recipes like UM 97 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: Junior League sort of little cookbooks that were published by churches, 98 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: and they included some Mexican recipes that were attributed to 99 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: the housekeepers of the women that we're writing this cookbook. 100 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: But this is the fall on first Spanish language cookbook 101 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: published by a woman. Wow, what I love that UM 102 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: in the cookbook. She assumed the readers knew how to cook, 103 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: so a lot of the directions were like, and make 104 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: it in the usual manner. Do you imagine reading a 105 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: cookbook today, going and you know, salte those mushrooms in 106 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: the usual way. Yeah, the way that you do. Don't 107 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: go anywhere. Hungry for history will be right back. Welcome 108 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: back to the show. Here's more on the first Latina 109 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: to publish a Spanish language cookbook in the United States. 110 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: She leaves this heirloom to her nieces, and she says, 111 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: you should consider your needs because if a woman is rich, 112 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: she needs to manage, and if she is poor, she 113 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: needs to know how to work. So she's giving this, 114 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: but she cites these ancient Roman you know, cookbooks, and 115 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: she cites these ancient Persian parties and and I mean, 116 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: she was clearly an incredibly educated woman that decided to 117 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: do this, and this is you know, food as this 118 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: badge of identity, and she wanted her nieces to keep this. 119 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: And then when she died, the book fell into obscurity 120 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: like many things do that were at the time. You 121 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: know that we're published by women, by latinas it should 122 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: have fell into obscurity. I know in La there are 123 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: at least two copies of this book, the Huntington Library 124 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: and Pasadena has one in the LA Public Library Downtown 125 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: also has a copy. Wow, she was like the first 126 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart also because she gave like, um, tips about 127 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, outside of the cooking knowledge. She gave tips 128 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: like kitchen cleanliness the cardinal virtue of every cook or 129 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: select your ingredients carefully and know what your animals were fed. Um. 130 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean she had a lot of like these amazing consejos, 131 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: what do you advices, a lot of different a lot 132 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: of advice. Yes, you know, even like you know, mushrooms, 133 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: like make sure that you if your mushrooms tripped yellow, 134 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: they're poisonous. If they're black, they're God. Yeah, so I 135 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: guess we could, Yeah, we could call her an early 136 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: and early Martha Stewart, early Martha Stewart. Do you have 137 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: this cookbook? Do you have it? I don't have the 138 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: actual cookbook, but I have this book. It's called In 139 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: Garnacion's Kitchen, and this was published in the early two thousands. 140 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: So's here she is. There's look at her, Oh my god, 141 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: look at her. I know she's beautiful, but this like 142 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: a very very fluffy dress. This is clearly that's a 143 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: very Spanish Spanish dress. That's a very Spanish attire. But 144 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: this is called in Garnessian's Kitchen Mexican Recipes from nineteenth 145 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: century California. So this is the book that I have. 146 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: And she was amazing. She also used to write for 147 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: newspaper columns. I mean, she was an incredible, incredible woman. 148 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: So what about Elena Zela Yetta. I told you about 149 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: her because somebody sent me a script about her life. 150 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: She was a celebrity chef before celebrity chefs existed. Her 151 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: life is fascinating, her life is amazing. When you told 152 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: me about her, I was like, how do I not 153 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: know about this woman? And I now I have like 154 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: all of her books. You know, she was up an 155 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: absolute force. And Lena was born in Mexico. Her parents 156 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: were Spanish from Barcelona and moved to Mexico and that 157 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the nineteenth century, you know, to 158 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: make it in America, write for better opportunities. They were 159 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: not a well to do family at all. She was 160 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: born after her parents had been in Mexico for about 161 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: a year and a half at the beginning of the 162 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: Mexican Revolution, people were targeting Spaniards. They weren't wealthy Spaniards, 163 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: they just happened to be Spaniards. So they left Mexico 164 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: and moved to San Francisco. So she was she was 165 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: eleven years old when the family moved to San Francisco, 166 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: right before the revolution broke out. Well, what I love 167 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: about Elena, Like you know, she did speak English. She 168 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: was obsessed with cooking though and learning new dishes, and 169 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: she created a restaurant out of her home and it 170 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: was pretty successful. But she didn't have like the best 171 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: husband at the time, so she had kicked him out 172 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: and then she let him back in and she kind of, 173 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, was this force of a woman in the household. 174 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: Like she was. She was a mom and she was 175 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: a wife, and she was also super entrepreneurial. She was 176 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: incredible at One thing that happened is that when she 177 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: was pregnant with her second child, with her second son, 178 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: she went blunt, like almost immediately went blunt and yeah. 179 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: And then she of course as she went into this deep, 180 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: deep depression and she left to cook. Like you said, 181 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: she had this very successful restaurant from her home and 182 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: she actually wrote her first cookbook. She was encouraged to 183 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: write her first cookbook. She didn't want to do it, 184 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: but she only agreed to do it so that she 185 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: could buy Seeing Eye Dog. So she wrote a cookbook 186 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: to get enough money to buy the dog. And then 187 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: what I find fascinating about Elena was her career took 188 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: off after losing her sight. Is czy, that's crazy, it's 189 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: mind blowing. Yes, after losing her sight is when she 190 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: agreed to write the first cookbook to buy Thing Eye Dog, 191 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: and she ended up selling ninety thousand copies. And then 192 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: she went on to you know, five different cookbooks. She 193 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: wrote an autobiography as well, and she was a teacher. 194 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: She had a pooking show, Yeah, she did. This is 195 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: what was fascinating to me was this story that I 196 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: told you about because she was the first woman, or 197 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: one of the first people to have a cooking show 198 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: on TV and she was blind and the audience didn't 199 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: believe it because she had strings attached to her ankles 200 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: to alert her to witch camera to look towards and 201 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: she would set out all the bowls in front of her. 202 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: And if you see a footage of this show, you 203 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: can see how she touches the brim of the bowl 204 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: and she kind of feels the ingredient in the bowl, 205 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: like and then you take your flower and she's kind 206 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: of double checking if she's touching the flower. But it's 207 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: really remarkable that she was a woman. She was a Latina, 208 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: she was blind, and she had a cooking show. It's crazy. 209 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: She had her son was in her show with her 210 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: as well, so he's sort of handing her things and 211 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: you can't tell because she looks at the camera based 212 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: like you said it based on web ankle what what? 213 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: What is stragas being pulled and she's really engaging with 214 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: the with the viewer. Yeah, she was, you know, a powerhouse. 215 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: She also had a frozen food business. Oh my god, 216 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: what I don't know that she had a frozen food 217 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: business and Lena's food specialty. She sold frozen thirtia said chiladas, 218 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: a mans and and she run this speciess with her 219 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: two sons. Her husband died tragically, um, even before all 220 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: of this started really happening. Yeah when also she had 221 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: she had a lot of hardship in her life. I 222 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: mean she was blind and then her husband was tragically killed, 223 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: um in a car accident. And despite all that, you see, 224 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: like the forward in her book by her friend, and 225 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: like newspaper articles that her life view or her outlook 226 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: in life was so awe inspiring. Like she she the 227 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: foreward in her book by Helen Brown was to know 228 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: z or to know easy is to have a favorite friend, 229 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: to know as a very special person. That she had 230 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: quick wit. She had thousands of friends. I wish I 231 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: could invite her to a dinner party. And they used 232 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: to say, she wrote this book in Nnaza Fiesta recipes, 233 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: the party recipes, this is the one that was The 234 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: foreward is by Helen Evans Brown, who was a powerhouse 235 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: in her own right. I mean she's known as the 236 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: sort of mother of California cooking. They were good friends, 237 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: and she said an e mail out and Lennaz is 238 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: a party. I love that. Every male is going to 239 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: be a party. She was not a fussy cook. She 240 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: was just fun. She was just nice. Um yeah, everybody, 241 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: everybody loved her. I love this, like you said, this, 242 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: this outlook on life, this view of life, it was 243 00:15:53,720 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: just so positive. I love. Also in her cookbooks, she 244 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: really made a point to differentiate Mexican cooking from Spanish 245 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: cooking and how it was very different, and so she 246 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, massa is not used in Spain. 247 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: Spain uses olive oil and saffron, and Mexican recipes can 248 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: be subtle, not everything is hot. But like she really 249 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: made clarifications between Spanish food and Mexican food. Absolutely, And 250 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: she does that in the first cookbook that she published, 251 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: which is the Swan that and in that's famous Mexican 252 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: and Spanish recipes. This is the one that she bought 253 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: for so that she could buy her Seeing Eye Dog. 254 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: And I love that. Different than the Spanish cook that 255 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: has Mexican recipes, this one she really breaks down what 256 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: is what, which was quite which was quite new, quite 257 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: groundbreaking at the time. How many cookbooks does she have? 258 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: I think she had five different cookbooks plus an auto 259 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: the biography. Yeah. So she died in nineteen seventy four. Wow, 260 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: oh year before I was born. What I found so 261 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: crazy was in the nineteen seventies her food line supplied 262 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: to weight Watchers. She was part of weight Watchers or 263 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: food at some point she was part of weight Watchers. 264 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? And her granddaughter lives in the Bay 265 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: Area and still remembers her grandmother as being just do 266 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: this fireball. This is this amazing, amazing woman. And she 267 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: always had a lot of a lot of dichos in 268 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: her cookbooks. What do you call a lot of proverbs? 269 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: Proverbs all of that. Yes, And there's one actually, they 270 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: all of her cookbooks. I just opened it up to 271 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: this one and there's one proverb right here with a 272 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: little illustration. And she always had that. And she and 273 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: they said that she always spoke that way. She was 274 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: always saying that the chosen people were like, what are 275 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: you talking about? Because a lot of them don't really translate. 276 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that people find so 277 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: charming and funny about her. When we come back, award 278 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: winning Chef Claudet Sea, a San Diego, California based culinary entrepreneur, 279 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: sends us a message welcome back to Hungry for History. 280 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: On this very special episode celebrating Women's History Month. We 281 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: wanted to feature a female chef making waves in the 282 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: culinary world, and who better than Chef Claudet Sea, a 283 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: first generation daughter of immigrants who is known for her 284 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: fearlessness in the kitchen and beyond. Queenie must Tebela I 285 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: am a first generation Mexican American self proclaimed border kid. 286 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: I was born in San Diego and raised between Tijuana, 287 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: San Diego and Mara. At eighteen, I had my son, James, 288 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: and I realized when I looked at him that I 289 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: had to figure out what I was going to do 290 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: with the rest of my life to provide for him, 291 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: and also I follow my passions and my love so 292 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: I could tell him follow his And food was it 293 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: for me. Food. It brings me the most unadulterated joy 294 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: that I've ever had. It brings me a lot of pain, 295 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: it brings me a lot of growth, and you know, 296 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: twenty two years later, almost twenty three years later, I 297 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: can seriously say that there's really nothing else that I'd 298 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: rather be doing. Bringing my food, my Mexican food to 299 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: Australia was such a such a churning point, such a 300 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: point of pride, such an achievement not only for me, 301 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: but for the generations before me. And to bring this 302 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: a better name to Australia, you know, started off as 303 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: a joke and idea. Yeah, I went in. When we 304 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: got it off the ground in a month and a half, 305 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: and the reception that we received by the people in 306 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: Sydney was huge. I didn't know how many. I didn't 307 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: realize how many Mexicans were living in Sydne in Australia. 308 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: And we did a dinner in September where I went 309 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: and we had Mariazi, we had a solo Madriatzi outside. 310 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: It was just this really kind of coming of age 311 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: for myself in my career and you know, twenty plus 312 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: years in twenty two years in like this is something 313 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: that I in my wildest dream that my ancestors wildest dreams, 314 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: didn't think I'd ever was that it was possible. Didn't 315 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: think that I'd achieved, but not because it's not being 316 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: willing to take the chances. But I just didn't see 317 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: it in my people. You know, I didn't see it 318 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: in my surroundings. You know, having lost my father in 319 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and June, I wish he had been 320 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: present for that moment. He always as a child, he 321 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: always told me you were going to take a sea 322 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: name to the highest places and the highest mountains, and 323 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: he always wanted this for me as a child, and 324 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: to see it come to life was much more than 325 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: open at Ta Kadia in Sydney was really like it 326 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: was a transformational breaking of generational curses that I can't 327 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: even put into words what that meant to me and 328 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: little Claudet. I do think the culinary world is predominantly 329 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: male dominated across the world. I walk into kitchens to 330 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: this day it was no matter how much I've achieved 331 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: and how you know, TV articles, awards, and I'm still 332 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: regarded as the lady. Especially in European kitchens, you know 333 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: that chef is reserved for a male. So I think 334 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: it's definitely room for education in those moments where you can, 335 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, tell this chef that maybe's working fifty years 336 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: in this industry, that you'd like to be addressed this 337 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: chef in a polite way, to draw those boundaries and 338 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: tell people how you want to be addressed. Thank you 339 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: so much for listening to our Women's History Month episode. 340 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: I love that we're celebrating these amazing women. Thank you 341 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: so much. Hungry for History is an unbelievable entertainment production 342 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: in partnership with Ihearts Michael Tura podcast Network. For more 343 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: of your favorite shows, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 344 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.