Speaker 1: Should the descendants of slave receive reparations? Is it time
Speaker 1: for Black Americans to abandon the Democratic Party? And will
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden be any good for the Black community? Today,
Speaker 1: I debate the questions that the PC police doesn't want
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Speaker 1: have Tarkna sheet on here. I mean, I've been watching
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Speaker 1: Now on social media, you talked about your foundational Black
Speaker 1: American UM. That's a term that a lot of people
Speaker 1: haven't heard of, and it's a term you coined yourself.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes, I coined the term. It was
Speaker 1: based on the ideology of Dr King and Dr Claude Anderson.
Speaker 1: They've always talked about UM Black Americans being a distinct
Speaker 1: ethnic group. My brother Claude Anderson would refer to us
Speaker 1: as Native Black Americans. I just built on that and
Speaker 1: use the word foundational because when you use native, a
Speaker 1: lot of people think that you're referring to the Red Indians,
Speaker 1: but foundational Black Americans. We are the founders, the literal
Speaker 1: founders of the United States, and we have been on
Speaker 1: this land for thousands of years. We mixed in with
Speaker 1: African people later, but we're we're really owning our culture
Speaker 1: and and doing a reset on how the history of
Speaker 1: our culture has been taught. So the term FBA Foundation
Speaker 1: of Black Americans, that's a term that I coined. But
Speaker 1: it's all about a lineage. Okay, Now that you start
Speaker 1: the history, um, not in sixteen nineteen, which is what
Speaker 1: most people do, including the New York Times, with this
Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen project. You instead emphasized the year fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: six when the Spanish brought the first African slaves to
Speaker 1: what became the United States. Why do you make a
Speaker 1: point to first define yourself as descend as a slave,
Speaker 1: and I can to begin with the history of American
Speaker 1: slavery before the first English colonists even arrived. The term
Speaker 1: descendant of slaves. We are descendant of slaves. But again
Speaker 1: I used the term foundational Black American because that transcends
Speaker 1: that because we were here again before slavery. I used
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty six as the start of our interaction with
Speaker 1: white supremacy here when African people were brought over, and
Speaker 1: really the people who were brought over were actually black
Speaker 1: people who were in Spain. They were actual Moors, and
Speaker 1: they were brought into UM San Miguel del Guadape, which
Speaker 1: was a colony that the Spanish tried to settle in
Speaker 1: the South Carolina and Georgia area. The black people who
Speaker 1: they were enslaving rose up against the Spanish, ran them out,
Speaker 1: and the black people were absorbed into the Aboriginal tribe
Speaker 1: there in that area. So foreign black people were documented
Speaker 1: as the first um foreign colony that is permanent here.
Speaker 1: And again, black people who were Aboriginal were already on
Speaker 1: this land for thousands of years, going back to the
Speaker 1: folsome people down there in Brazil, they had Lucilla Woman,
Speaker 1: which was a um An archaeological fine where they found
Speaker 1: bones of a black woman two thousand years old. So
Speaker 1: we've been on this land for a long time. So
Speaker 1: we our presence here transcend slavery. But our experience with
Speaker 1: the white supremacists made us descendants of slaves, okay, And
Speaker 1: and it's something interesting because I think people oftentimes aren't
Speaker 1: able to distinguish between this audios movement American descendantive slaves,
Speaker 1: which in the Black community, especially a lot of millennials,
Speaker 1: we kind of are aware of it, and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if my audience is aware of it. And I
Speaker 1: know you you've mentioned before that term was coined by
Speaker 1: someone else, and it's something I read that you said
Speaker 1: that it was stolen and re re repurposed. Would you
Speaker 1: mind going into that, police, Yeah, the term A d
Speaker 1: O as American descendants of slaves. That was the term.
Speaker 1: Actually again, Dr King would use the term descendants of
Speaker 1: slaves and in his memoir Um a brother named Noris
Speaker 1: Sheldon out of Kentucky, Dr Norris Sheldon, he came up
Speaker 1: with the term descendants of slaves and American descendants of
Speaker 1: slaves talking about us here on the in the continent
Speaker 1: as a distinct ethnic group, and he was making reparations claims.
Speaker 1: He was using this to make a distinct claim for reparations.
Speaker 1: Some other people who formed the A d OS social
Speaker 1: group because they're not really a political it's a fi group.
Speaker 1: They're not really a serious group. So they were in
Speaker 1: Noris Sheldon's group on Facebook and they were affiliated with him,
Speaker 1: and and they just basically stole the name, they stole
Speaker 1: the title, they stole the ideology, stole all the brothers
Speaker 1: writings and everything and tried to form their own thing.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much exploding right now. And according to them,
Speaker 1: they said, it's not really about Leney and just about
Speaker 1: their organization, and it's about them having chapters all over
Speaker 1: the country and them being the leaders of the organization.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a mess, and it's very confusing. I
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with that. That has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with lineage. Foundational Black Americans were only talking about
Speaker 1: what you are born as. You either have a lineage
Speaker 1: here or you don't. And we're it's no, you can't
Speaker 1: have a leader of a lineage. You can't have chapters
Speaker 1: for a lineage. We talk about foundational Black Americans. We're
Speaker 1: just talking about the ethnic group of people who are
Speaker 1: born here and descended from the black Aboriginals and the
Speaker 1: black enslaved people that were here on this land. Would
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris be a part of that group. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is not a foundation of Black American at all.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris comes from two immigrant backgrounds. Kamala Harris, her
Speaker 1: dad is Jamaican, and they keep using the term Jamaican
Speaker 1: instead of Black. On Kamala Harris's birth certificate. Her dad
Speaker 1: he never used the term black. And in Jamaica they
Speaker 1: have different cats systems where you have people who look
Speaker 1: like us, but they don't consider themselves black. There's the Creole, Mulatto,
Speaker 1: free colored. They have all these different ethnic arrangements out
Speaker 1: there in the Caribbean. And her dad is never classified
Speaker 1: themselves as black, her mother as East Indian, and on
Speaker 1: the birth certificate, her mother is classified as Caucasian. So
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is not a foundation of Black American at all.
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting that the powers that be they
Speaker 1: specifically get people who are non foundation of lack Americans
Speaker 1: to elevate them to positions of political power in this country.
Speaker 1: They did that with Barack Obama, He's not a foundation
Speaker 1: of lack American. They did it with Colin Powell. Colin
Speaker 1: Powell is Caribbean. Eric Holder is Caribbean. Most of the
Speaker 1: people from the Congressional Black Hawk Is a lot of
Speaker 1: them are non foundation of Black American. A lot of
Speaker 1: them come from Caribbean background. Sheila Jackson Lee is Caribbean,
Speaker 1: and she's supposed to be speaking on our reparations. This
Speaker 1: is why we don't get anything. So the thing is
Speaker 1: they understand that we as foundation of Black Americans, we're
Speaker 1: going to have at least some type of camaraderie or
Speaker 1: commonality with people from our lineage. So they don't want
Speaker 1: to put people who are foundational Black Americans in power
Speaker 1: because we might end up allocating resources to the people
Speaker 1: we have a camaraderie with. For example, when Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: was put in office, they kept talking about she's the
Speaker 1: first black and Asian vice president, female president. They really
Speaker 1: throw that Asian thing in They were blacking her up
Speaker 1: for a long time, and the minute she got in office,
Speaker 1: then they threw that Asian thing in there. Now that
Speaker 1: they're in office, there are resources and benefits being given
Speaker 1: to Asian people. They made a very distinct point to
Speaker 1: mention Asian people and racism against Asian people specifically, and
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do about giving tangible benefits to combat
Speaker 1: racism against Asian people like Amala Harris. But Biden would
Speaker 1: not allocate any resources or policies to combat the racism
Speaker 1: against black Americans. So this is why we are distinguishing
Speaker 1: ourselves because we keep playing the coon by yall game.
Speaker 1: But that benefits other groups instead of us. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's that's interesting. And you're referring to the Executive Order
Speaker 1: there in terms of racism against Asian So that's really
Speaker 1: that's interesting because I hadn't even really put two and
Speaker 1: two together in terms of her being Asian, and maybe
Speaker 1: that is the general premise of actually proposing something like
Speaker 1: that in the Executive Order. So that's interesting. I want
Speaker 1: to pick up from there in a moment, but first
Speaker 1: let's go to break. My next thought is, you know,
Speaker 1: African Americans have been responsible for putting Democrats at least
Speaker 1: in terms of the primary and in that position since
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson ran in the eighties. Do you think that
Speaker 1: we're seeing benefits from that you continue to put president
Speaker 1: at the president in office. Do you think we're seeing
Speaker 1: any benefits from the Democratic Party? No, not at all,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Um, We're not getting any benefits and people
Speaker 1: just kind of vote for Democrats out of tradition at
Speaker 1: this point. And again, I'm not a fan of the
Speaker 1: the Republicans either, and I'm conservative. Here's the thing, man,
Speaker 1: most black people in America are actually very conservative. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of consulting views. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: the commonality between the Democrats and the Republicans is white supremacy.
Speaker 1: They just do it in different forms. The Republicans their
Speaker 1: form of white supremacy, it's just blatant, Hey, y'all live
Speaker 1: over there, We live over here, and you do your thing.
Speaker 1: The Democrats, their version of white supremacy is, hey, let
Speaker 1: me live right next door to you and gentrify you
Speaker 1: out of the neighborhood, and you know, let me be
Speaker 1: the Karen that calls the police on you. A lot
Speaker 1: of folks don't realize a lot of these caring videos,
Speaker 1: these happen in democrats cities. These Karens that we see
Speaker 1: calling the cops on a lot of black people. These
Speaker 1: are very liberal people a lot of us don't like
Speaker 1: to put together. So we think that the Democrats are
Speaker 1: going to be better than the blatant anti black racism
Speaker 1: that comes from the the right wing of white supremacy,
Speaker 1: and it's just the same. My thing is this with
Speaker 1: Trump in office. I told a lot of people, and
Speaker 1: this was very controversial. Even though Trump has a lot
Speaker 1: of white supremacist views. I believe Trump didn't really do
Speaker 1: anything as far as policies to harm black people. Biden
Speaker 1: has a track record of harming black people his entire
Speaker 1: political career. Kamala Harris I live in California. She has
Speaker 1: a whole track record of harming black people politically. Also
Speaker 1: with the Democrats. When we deal with the Republicans, we
Speaker 1: might have to do it. We have to deal with
Speaker 1: the white supremacists themselves, but that's not a problem where
Speaker 1: we're used to dealing with them as Foundation of Black Americans.
Speaker 1: When the Democrats get in office, not only do we
Speaker 1: have to deal with white supremacist black people have to
Speaker 1: deal with all the anti black racism that comes from
Speaker 1: all of these other buffer class ethnic groups. We have
Speaker 1: to deal with the anti black racism from these immigrant Asians,
Speaker 1: immigrant Latinos, immigrant Arabs that they flood over here on
Speaker 1: top of us for the sole purpose of undermining foundation
Speaker 1: of Black Americans. So my thing is, if we deal
Speaker 1: with anybody, any politician, I want to look at their policies.
Speaker 1: They teach black people how to be emotional about our politicians.
Speaker 1: Trump again, Trump wasn't really that bad for black people.
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything really tangible for black people. I
Speaker 1: don't like when they start lying about what Trump was
Speaker 1: the greatest president for black people. That's a bunch of bs.
Speaker 1: But Trump did not put any policies together to really
Speaker 1: harm black people. So I had no problem with Trump
Speaker 1: still being in office, because now when Biden gets in
Speaker 1: office after black people elevated him, Biden has gone out
Speaker 1: of his way to spit on Black society and that
Speaker 1: I cannot respect and I cannot respect the black Biden
Speaker 1: voters at this point. What the Biden team did in
Speaker 1: the Democrats, what they do. They use plantation tactics to
Speaker 1: get Black people to come out to the polls and
Speaker 1: then truth be told, I don't believe that Biden got
Speaker 1: all those votes. I believe that this election was a finesse.
Speaker 1: I don't know any Black people under the age of
Speaker 1: fifty who vote voted for Biden. I honestly do not
Speaker 1: believe Biden got the most votes in presidential history. I
Speaker 1: just don't know any Black people who are young who
Speaker 1: went out and voted for Biden. I believe that election
Speaker 1: was a big finesse. I believe there was voter fraud.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not trying to hearing a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that the white supremacist right wingers are saying. But there
Speaker 1: was some kind of voter fraud because I got a
Speaker 1: post on the community and nobody in the black community
Speaker 1: was really so excited about voting for Biden. We know Biden,
Speaker 1: we know Biden's track record, we know Biden's crime bill records,
Speaker 1: so nobody was really excited about him. And this whole
Speaker 1: thing about we just had to get Trump out, a
Speaker 1: lot of us weren't really tripping on that either. So
Speaker 1: we got to understand a lot of things and narratives
Speaker 1: that's pushed in the media and what's what's a lot
Speaker 1: of it is propaganda. So let me ask you a
Speaker 1: couple of questions here, because you you mentioned the white
Speaker 1: supremacy on the right, and let's be very clear and honest.
Speaker 1: There is racism that exists in the Republican Party. That
Speaker 1: has been for years, just like with the Democrats. It has. However,
Speaker 1: there is there is a track record of accomplishments in
Speaker 1: terms of what Republicans have done that have specifically benefited
Speaker 1: African Americans. You can talk about just about every civil
Speaker 1: rights bill every past was passed only with Republican support,
Speaker 1: including lb j's Civil Rights Bill. If it wasn't for
Speaker 1: Republicans in the Senate, it wouldn't have passed. You can
Speaker 1: talk about Lincoln freeing the slaves. You can talk about
Speaker 1: a number of things. Even when you mentioned Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: you talk about the First Step Act, which was passed.
Speaker 1: Again he pushed hard on that, and I know because
Speaker 1: I want on Capitol Hill to lobby it. Thousands of
Speaker 1: people released from jail, ninety of being an African American.
Speaker 1: And we can also talk about Joe Biden, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: he has a whole track record eight six crack laws.
Speaker 1: You can talk about ninety four crime Bill, you can
Speaker 1: talk you ain't black, all these different things that have
Speaker 1: harmed our community. Even the financial reform where they put
Speaker 1: all this pressure on black banks which allowed us or
Speaker 1: rather disenfranchised us. Are black banks from being able to
Speaker 1: lend to our community, which is where a number of
Speaker 1: us actually got our loans from. It wasn't a big institution,
Speaker 1: so we we got a track record on on that.
Speaker 1: But how do you respond to what Republicans have actually
Speaker 1: actually done that has been positive. So because I'm hearing
Speaker 1: what you're saying and it's not clicking all the way.
Speaker 1: I will not give them credit for that because it's
Speaker 1: trickled down. It's not black species, which which which which
Speaker 1: which item? None of their policies are are black specific.
Speaker 1: They're all trickled down policies. Even um with the Civil
Speaker 1: Rights Act that black people pushed for, they put a
Speaker 1: lot of trickle down language in it. So I will
Speaker 1: not give them props on doing that for black people
Speaker 1: because they specifically made the language very vague so that
Speaker 1: it could apply to other groups if they're not doing
Speaker 1: something specifically using the word black, just like Biden did,
Speaker 1: just like all these other groups did, I will not
Speaker 1: give them credit for doing something for black people that
Speaker 1: has incidental benefits. Even crime bills. I take offense to
Speaker 1: people saying, well, we did something for blacks with the
Speaker 1: crime bill of prison reform, because that gives the assumption
Speaker 1: that blacks and criminality is somewhat synonymous. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of white criminals, there's a lot of Latino criminals,
Speaker 1: a lot of other people who benefited from those prison
Speaker 1: reform laws. Blackness and criminality is not synonymous, and I
Speaker 1: should not have to wait until I commit a crime
Speaker 1: in order to get a benefit from the government. I
Speaker 1: pay taxes to the Civil Rights Acting, all of these
Speaker 1: other acts. It was supposed to be for black people.
Speaker 1: Even affirmative action was supposed to be for black people.
Speaker 1: But they use trick back words like minority, people of color, disenfranchise.
Speaker 1: These are trick words that today benefit other groups. The
Speaker 1: civil rights bills now more l v G T White
Speaker 1: people benefit from civil rights bills than Black people now.
Speaker 1: So if it's not black specific, it's a trick bag.
Speaker 1: Nobody has ever done anything Black specific that other people
Speaker 1: didn't lead off up and we ended up getting the
Speaker 1: crumbs for I cannot give them props on that. Joe
Speaker 1: Biden gave specific orders for Asian Americans and racism that
Speaker 1: was not a trickle down. He didn't use minority, didn't
Speaker 1: use people of color, didn't use disenfranchise. When it comes
Speaker 1: to black people, all of a sudden, saying black becomes
Speaker 1: a dirty word. And I do not want to be
Speaker 1: treated like a dirty little secret that people have to
Speaker 1: sneak around and you just can't say it. It's the
Speaker 1: scarlet letter. We can't play that game. Both parties they
Speaker 1: have not done right about the Black community and they're
Speaker 1: going to have to do better. So in essence, are
Speaker 1: you saying there's been not one party, not one policy
Speaker 1: has been specific enough in terms of Black folks and benefit.
Speaker 1: There's been neither neither party in this country. There has
Speaker 1: never been a policy that benefited Black people exclusively at
Speaker 1: the exclusion of other groups. Never in this country ever,
Speaker 1: people pretend that affirmative action. Affirmative action never really been
Speaker 1: a black benefited Black people exclusively, women, Native Americans, Latinos, LGBT,
Speaker 1: disabled people, all of them benefit from affirmative action. There
Speaker 1: has never, ever, ever, ever, ever been one policy that
Speaker 1: specifically benefited Black Americans. Every policy for us is a
Speaker 1: trickle down. It's a it's a minority coalition type of thing,
Speaker 1: because see, there has to be a racial hierarchy, and
Speaker 1: black people have to be on the bottom. You have
Speaker 1: blacks on the bottom, whites on the top, and all
Speaker 1: of the buffer groups in between. In order to combat racism,
Speaker 1: black people have to be taken off the bottom and
Speaker 1: brought up. What they do when you lift everybody up
Speaker 1: and say, okay, this is gonna benefit black people too, well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna benefit all the other people who are on
Speaker 1: top of black people. So we're still gonna be on
Speaker 1: the bottom. That's a con game that they've been running
Speaker 1: for two hundred years. That's why every single policy to
Speaker 1: black people, it's the Lift All Act. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: the UM what's that? The Platinum deal and all these things.
Speaker 1: It lifts up the Platinum Plan from African Americans. You're
Speaker 1: talking about the Trump proposal that with UM declared KKK
Speaker 1: is a white supremacy group. I no domestic terrorists, UM group.
Speaker 1: That's what that was a nothing burger. That was nothing.
Speaker 1: But now I'm just talking about all these different policies,
Speaker 1: all these policies that are lifting up everybody because this
Speaker 1: is the trick they do. And they did this with
Speaker 1: Trump's Platinum Plan. They did this with the Lift All Plan.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of these policies, they'll talk about black black,
Speaker 1: black black black, how bad black people have it, Black
Speaker 1: people get disenfranchised, black people have experienced racism, black black
Speaker 1: black black black. So what we're gonna do. We're gonna
Speaker 1: give money to small businesses, We're gonna give money to
Speaker 1: minority charities, We're gonna give money to disenfranchise. Then they
Speaker 1: started they start mixing up all these other groups. So
Speaker 1: it's a trick bag and we're not going for any
Speaker 1: trick bag language anymore. We are as foundation of Black Americans.
Speaker 1: We're saying enough is enough. A lot of black people
Speaker 1: actually sat out this election, so a lot of black
Speaker 1: people are going to start using their votes more strategically. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Democrats know how to pull out the heart strings
Speaker 1: of a lot of silly black people who voted for them,
Speaker 1: knowing you weren't going to get anything. That is a problem.
Speaker 1: When black people start smart enough, smartening up and leveraging
Speaker 1: their votes, we're gonna start seeing some real change. But
Speaker 1: the problem is we get into a lot of symbolism
Speaker 1: what they do. The Democrats, they know how to get
Speaker 1: out there, hugging, singing, dancing with poems, um bribing black
Speaker 1: catfish nuggets and black eyed pas and all of this
Speaker 1: silly nonsense. When we get off that, we're gonna start
Speaker 1: being more politically astute. When you think we're gonna get
Speaker 1: off of that, uh, we're gonna be forced to get
Speaker 1: off of it. And we shouldn't have to be forced
Speaker 1: to get off of it. I think after this Biden administration,
Speaker 1: more people are going to wake up because Biden their
Speaker 1: job now is to undermine black people heavy. They're they're
Speaker 1: going to flood us and try to dissipate the black
Speaker 1: voting block now because they don't want us. We again,
Speaker 1: black people could can sway votes, We can sway elections.
Speaker 1: So them letting a lot of immigrant groups over, that's
Speaker 1: going to undermine us. And they know this. This is
Speaker 1: why they're talking about letting over eleven million illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1: The only reason they're doing that. And what's interesting, they're
Speaker 1: letting these people go to places like Georgia and all
Speaker 1: of these black strongholds as far as the voting block.
Speaker 1: So they're doing this to undermine the Black vote. That's
Speaker 1: the only reason they're doing it. So they can create
Speaker 1: a buffer class to dissipate our energy and our perceived power.
Speaker 1: Do you do you do you think when you you
Speaker 1: mentioned these kind of things and and and let me say,
Speaker 1: I do agree with that, but I think it's it's
Speaker 1: more than just the black vote. I think in terms
Speaker 1: of this eleven million number that they continue to they've
Speaker 1: been mentioning it for over a decade, the eleven million number,
Speaker 1: it's probably way more than that at this particular point.
Speaker 1: But do you believe that it's it's that's one part
Speaker 1: of it that you mentioned in terms of the buffer class,
Speaker 1: but it's also to make sure that they're dominating and
Speaker 1: they can ensure the Republicans don't win any races. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. What's interesting. A lot of these immigrants
Speaker 1: that they let up, especially Hispanic immigrants and especially down
Speaker 1: in Florida. What's interesting they go out here and start
Speaker 1: voting Republican. A lot of Hispanics were voting for Trump
Speaker 1: this election, a lot of Hispanics. And this is the thing.
Speaker 1: They they're trying to flood the country with a lot
Speaker 1: of Hispanics so that they can kind of offset some
Speaker 1: of the Hispanics who identify as white. See, this is
Speaker 1: the thing. They tell us that all these immigrant groups
Speaker 1: are are are black people's minority comrades. And these people
Speaker 1: come over and they identified with being white or they
Speaker 1: attained be white. So a lot of Hispanics they come
Speaker 1: over here and they start getting on the white supremacist train.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the Democrats can't really depend on that.
Speaker 1: And Biden even said that. Biden he made a very
Speaker 1: strange comment during his election. He was saying something like, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta start working on the Hispanics you know, they
Speaker 1: think different, not like black people. They all think the same.
Speaker 1: He said something to that. It was a real weird statement.
Speaker 1: And they understand that Hispanics, some of them will think
Speaker 1: like Democrats, some of them will try to attain to
Speaker 1: be down with the Republicans. So their voting block is
Speaker 1: very sketchy because even in those countries they view themselves different.
Speaker 1: They have racial cast systems in these countries and buffer
Speaker 1: classes in these countries, so they bring those same ideologies here.
Speaker 1: So they cannot be relied upon as a real thorough
Speaker 1: voting block. But if you let let enough of them
Speaker 1: over here, you can get enough of them to vote Democrats.
Speaker 1: So the job of them is to undermine foundation of
Speaker 1: lack Americans. Let me ask you this question because when
Speaker 1: I was growing up on the south side of the Cargo,
Speaker 1: we often saw how individuals and Hispanics would come over
Speaker 1: from Mexico or wherever they come over from, and they
Speaker 1: would all stay and not all of them, of course,
Speaker 1: as an example of what I saw, so I just
Speaker 1: want to be clear about that number of families would
Speaker 1: stay in one house, they would live in a particular area,
Speaker 1: They would only do business with each other, They wouldn't
Speaker 1: allow anybody into their communities. It was like they built something.
Speaker 1: Is that something that African Americans should be doing, just
Speaker 1: doing business with each other and building our community that
Speaker 1: we don't need the government assistance that the Democrats would
Speaker 1: offer to say, Hey, we're gonna just we're gonna take
Speaker 1: care of you, which makes you ultimately dependent on them,
Speaker 1: and you continue to vote for them because you're looking
Speaker 1: for a little bit of help when we should be
Speaker 1: doing for ourselves. But the thing is the government, the
Speaker 1: United States government, they have consistently undermine foundational Black Americans.
Speaker 1: We are the only group who has had our businesses
Speaker 1: and our economic base repeatedly sabotaged by our own government.
Speaker 1: This goes back to the Freedman's Bank. When black people
Speaker 1: got out of slavery, we had banks, we had businesses,
Speaker 1: and when the white supremacists saw that black people were
Speaker 1: making strides, we got out of our illiteracy. Because remember
Speaker 1: after slavery, black people who were forced to be illiterate,
Speaker 1: they cut their literacy rate in half in a very
Speaker 1: short period of time. So black people became an economic threat.
Speaker 1: So what they did they started flooding the country with
Speaker 1: the European immigrants. This is when they the Statute of
Speaker 1: libered in bring all your huddled masses again. They used
Speaker 1: the immigrant hustle to flood us and these white immigrants
Speaker 1: would come over inform unions to keep black people out
Speaker 1: of the job markets. And also what the US government did,
Speaker 1: they allowed the Freedman Bank to get robbed from all
Speaker 1: of the resources that black people are masked or all
Speaker 1: of that money from the Freedman Bank. That money was
Speaker 1: never given back to black people. A lot of the
Speaker 1: black people who were living on reservations um their land
Speaker 1: was taken. They were never compensated. Um. Black people who
Speaker 1: built up cities like Wilmington, they had a thriving black
Speaker 1: area there. That area was destroyed in the government let
Speaker 1: it happen, Greenwood, so many other places, Tulsa, Oklahoma, so
Speaker 1: many black business areas that were thriving and successful. The
Speaker 1: government allowed these businesses and these black economic enclaves to
Speaker 1: be destroyed and black people were never compensated. In the
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties and black business areas, they would build
Speaker 1: freeways specifically in black areas so that they could dissipate
Speaker 1: the the economic base. Even now in Los Angeles where
Speaker 1: I live. Crinshaw Boulevard is a black business district. They're
Speaker 1: running a train system right down Crinshaw Boulevard right now
Speaker 1: to this day, destroying a lot of these small black
Speaker 1: businesses there. So we have been the only group who
Speaker 1: have not only been we've not been helped as far
Speaker 1: as our businesses by the government. Whenever we do figure
Speaker 1: out a way to get thriving businesses, they go out
Speaker 1: of their way to sabotage it. This does not happen
Speaker 1: to any of the group at all. So I do
Speaker 1: not like when people try to tell us to be
Speaker 1: like these immigrant groups who are incentivized to come over
Speaker 1: here to use our tax dollars and they're allowed to
Speaker 1: have their businesses thrived without hinderance. Down in Texas, there's
Speaker 1: a very successful black business called the Turkey leg Hut
Speaker 1: a year ago where a bunch of white people in
Speaker 1: the community tried to get together and sabotage that business
Speaker 1: because it was so successful. This only happens to us,
Speaker 1: and we don't get any kind of protections from the
Speaker 1: Democrats or the Republicans. And when black people are crippled
Speaker 1: economically and then we have to become dependent on welfare
Speaker 1: or anything like that we're told where we just have
Speaker 1: to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps. Non, we have
Speaker 1: to start pulling the white supremacists by their bootstraps and
Speaker 1: get them off of us. So you mentioned how it's
Speaker 1: a narrative that you gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps,
Speaker 1: which is something we we know and I understand when
Speaker 1: people say, hey, you know, how can I pull myself
Speaker 1: up by my bootstraps when I don't have any boots?
Speaker 1: I get that, but me as an example, and I
Speaker 1: know we're not a monolithic people. Everybody has different experiences.
Speaker 1: I grew up on the South Side of Chicago, extremely poor, lights,
Speaker 1: gas and word off. At the same time, mom addicted
Speaker 1: to drugs. But yet, and still, I was motivated enough
Speaker 1: to go to my local Artuman's office because I had
Speaker 1: an interest in politics and volunteered. Then it led to
Speaker 1: an internship, and then another internship, then a job part time,
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, to the point that
Speaker 1: I now work for the number one cable network in
Speaker 1: the country, have a successful book out podcast, a consulting firm,
Speaker 1: and a number of other things. So do you think
Speaker 1: that oftentimes we will give excuses within our community as
Speaker 1: to why person can't be as successful as a you
Speaker 1: or me because of maybe slavery or or something else.
Speaker 1: We as black people, we make it all the time.
Speaker 1: We're very successful, relatively all the time. We've always been
Speaker 1: a successful, resilient, resourceful people in spite of the most
Speaker 1: atrocious system ever created, which is white supremacy. We shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to overcome systematic white supremacy in order to be successful.
Speaker 1: Other groups, well, some of them do because in their
Speaker 1: home countries, a lot of their home countries are destroyed
Speaker 1: by white supremacy, and directly this is why they have
Speaker 1: to flee to come over here. But we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to overcome all of these insane obstacles in order to
Speaker 1: just thrive in order to live a normal life. I
Speaker 1: have looked when I was young, I used to go
Speaker 1: to jail all the time, living in South central Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: me and my friends. And I wasn't a game banger,
Speaker 1: but my friends were, and being with them, they would
Speaker 1: have game sweeps in Los Angeles where if you look
Speaker 1: like a gang member you get swept up. If you
Speaker 1: had blue or red in your shoestrings, you would get arrested.
Speaker 1: So I would go to jail with my friends. All
Speaker 1: the time I was homeless, I would have to live
Speaker 1: in a library in the daytime and wash up there.
Speaker 1: And while I was in the library, I would read
Speaker 1: a lot of books. This is why I knew so
Speaker 1: much stuff and I learned so much stuff because I
Speaker 1: was homeless, having to live in a damn library in
Speaker 1: the daytime, because I didn't have the opportunities afforded to me.
Speaker 1: I am a high school dropout, dropped out of school
Speaker 1: in the eleventh grade. I never graduated. But today I
Speaker 1: have a multimillion dollar production company. I have six of
Speaker 1: the best selling documentary films on black history ever. I
Speaker 1: did that in spite of systematic white supremacy. But I
Speaker 1: never negate the impact that white supremacy had and the
Speaker 1: backlash that we get when we're successful in spite of it.
Speaker 1: Because see, when black people are successful, a lot of
Speaker 1: times black people are told, you gotta give props to
Speaker 1: the white person who help you. It's what I call
Speaker 1: the Oprah effect. Oprah was told when she grows up,
Speaker 1: just find some good white people and let them take
Speaker 1: care of you, and let them help you and elevate you.
Speaker 1: But what happens when her Yeah, her grandmother told her
Speaker 1: that go find some good people, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people Black folks unfortunately subscribed to that mentality. But when
Speaker 1: we become successful without the good white people, then we
Speaker 1: become a threat. Because my success, and I used success relatively,
Speaker 1: did not come from good white people helping me. My
Speaker 1: films are independent. When I put out books that was independent,
Speaker 1: and my books were best sellers, we become a threat.
Speaker 1: I can't go to Europe. I can't go to the
Speaker 1: UK right now. The UK banned me because of my
Speaker 1: last film. I did a film called Hidden Color Spive.
Speaker 1: It's just talking about racism. I was gonna go out
Speaker 1: there to promote it, and they pulled me off an
Speaker 1: airplane and told me if I if I go to
Speaker 1: the UK, I'm gonna be detained. They I'm one of
Speaker 1: the I think six black Americans that's banned from going
Speaker 1: to the UK. I think one person, Mike Tyson, I
Speaker 1: think Mr Ferrikon has banned and a couple of others.
Speaker 1: But I'm one of the six, and I was banned
Speaker 1: because they told me that, well, my message is not
Speaker 1: conducive to the good of the UK. When we start
Speaker 1: doing things like that, we become a threat and a
Speaker 1: system that's threatening people and trying to um punish people
Speaker 1: systematically for calling that system out. That's a system that
Speaker 1: shouldn't exist. But I think you just demonstrated my point.
Speaker 1: You also build your way up, and you did it
Speaker 1: without the help of many people. I'm sure there's people
Speaker 1: will get you encouraging words, and there was some some
Speaker 1: form of assistance along the way. But you said, you're
Speaker 1: you're a high school dropout, You lived in a library,
Speaker 1: you read books, and you created a multimillion dollar business
Speaker 1: for yourself, and from what I know, at least one
Speaker 1: of your books is a New York Time bestseller. Is
Speaker 1: that right? Okay? So with that being the case, do
Speaker 1: you think within our community like to to your point
Speaker 1: of what you were able to accomplish, what I was
Speaker 1: able to accomplish. We oftentimes give crutches to our people
Speaker 1: and say, well, you know, you can't do this because
Speaker 1: a white supremacy is stopping you. You can't do this
Speaker 1: because we live in a racist country. You can't do
Speaker 1: this for this or that reason. And more often than not,
Speaker 1: people believe that, and they don't even put in the
Speaker 1: effort to try or when they do try, they give
Speaker 1: up early because they were told that things are so
Speaker 1: bad and everyone so racist, or why even put in
Speaker 1: the effort. You know what's funny, it's the opposite though.
Speaker 1: Most people who are not aware of white supremacy. Many
Speaker 1: of them are the ones who actually failed, because see,
Speaker 1: they're the ones who walk into the traps. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people who get killed by these race
Speaker 1: soldiers posing as police out here. A lot of these
Speaker 1: are the black folks who have no idea on how
Speaker 1: systematic racism works. When they get out here, they think
Speaker 1: everything is hunky dory. They think, well, I can just
Speaker 1: do whatever I want to do. And when we see
Speaker 1: these brothers and sisters get killed, the main thing I
Speaker 1: see them say is, well, I know my rights. You
Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be doing this. I know my rights.
Speaker 1: And these are people who do not understand how systematic
Speaker 1: white supremacy work at all, and they fall into the traps.
Speaker 1: That's the very dangerous thing. When people are not aware
Speaker 1: of the system that controls them, You're going to fail
Speaker 1: at that system. Because what happens when you fail. You
Speaker 1: think it's something that's internal. You think, okay, well, as
Speaker 1: a black person. I'm just not it enough. The white
Speaker 1: media tells black people where you're just incompetent, all the
Speaker 1: things that's happening to you. The reason why you're in
Speaker 1: the ghetto is because you guys are just naturally inferior.
Speaker 1: So black people internalize these fabricated messages, and that's the
Speaker 1: thing that makes them not want to try. They don't
Speaker 1: understand who's orchestrating this stuff. I learned at a very
Speaker 1: early age that white supremacy was a real thing, and
Speaker 1: I became successful because I navigated around it and I
Speaker 1: never fell into the traps. Well, I stopped falling into
Speaker 1: the traps because I was falling into the traps at
Speaker 1: one point. But after I learned how systematic white supremacy work,
Speaker 1: I would learn how to navigate the traps and become
Speaker 1: relatively relatively successful. Okay, so I'll move on on that
Speaker 1: on on that point, but I do think we need
Speaker 1: to empower our community more and beyond whatever racism may exist.
Speaker 1: We need to really and I get what you're saying
Speaker 1: in terms of we shouldn't have to do X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z. We shouldn't have to be trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a strategy to avoid racism and all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, because it does exist, like than anyone who
Speaker 1: says it doesn't is lying. But things aren't what they
Speaker 1: used to be, for sure, and things have certainly progressed,
Speaker 1: but there's still more work to be done. But I
Speaker 1: want to ask you that there's no such I got
Speaker 1: to disagree with that real quick. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: as progressive racism. Things have not progressed. We have not
Speaker 1: made one iota of progress at all. I want black
Speaker 1: folks to really understand that there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: progressive racism. We are in the same position as we
Speaker 1: were in the eighteen hundreds relative to the dominant society.
Speaker 1: There's zero changes in the dominant society. During slavery, you
Speaker 1: have free black people who were relatively successful. Right now,
Speaker 1: we have free black people who are relatively successful. We
Speaker 1: got the jay z s and the Operus. We had
Speaker 1: well to do black people back then, relatively, But as
Speaker 1: far as our relations to the dominant society, as far
Speaker 1: as owning things and um being free to do what
Speaker 1: we want to do without the dominant society being in
Speaker 1: a position to take us out anytime they feel like it,
Speaker 1: we have not moved one i order from there. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you got you got networks like BT and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. People own banks. And when you
Speaker 1: talk about the dominant society and how people can can
Speaker 1: stop you, the government is always positioned to stop a person.
Speaker 1: So that that exists for everyone, not just black people. Right. No,
Speaker 1: because today there was a story about some of the
Speaker 1: people who raided the Capitol building on the white women.
Speaker 1: She requested to go on vacation to Mexico and they
Speaker 1: gave So no, it don't exist. No, I don't know
Speaker 1: no black people who can storm a capitol building and
Speaker 1: then get a trip to Mexico to go on vacation. No,
Speaker 1: So we have not moved one iota. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: disagree with the movement, but we'll we'll move on. And
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I want to ask you
Speaker 1: about slavery because oftentimes we in our community we talk
Speaker 1: about slavery. We talk about how if it wasn't for slavery,
Speaker 1: we would be our community be in better conditions, et cetera,
Speaker 1: which I understand and I do agree. Um, but people
Speaker 1: take on on the role of slavery and make it
Speaker 1: a part of it, in some cases a central part
Speaker 1: of their identity and their day to day life. Um,
Speaker 1: does that risk them defining themselves primarily as a victim?
Speaker 1: And are you concerned that such a mentality can make
Speaker 1: them feel powerless and be less self reliant. I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody who who takes on slavery as a
Speaker 1: part of their daily life. I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know any black there's people. There's people will say
Speaker 1: things like, oh, yeah, you know what, because of slavery,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, My family can't be successful, our
Speaker 1: community isn't successful because of slavery. UM. And it's it's
Speaker 1: continued to be mentioned, at least where I grew up,
Speaker 1: that that's the case. Yeah, I don't know. I've never
Speaker 1: heard anybody saying, well, we can't be successful because of slavery,
Speaker 1: because that's not true. We have been successful, um, in
Speaker 1: spite of slavery Black people, we have created so many
Speaker 1: things in spite of slavery. Even during slavery, And I
Speaker 1: was talking about this for Black History mom, there were
Speaker 1: black people coming out of slavery, UM, getting all types
Speaker 1: of things invented. Some of the radiators and central heating
Speaker 1: and all this stuff was created by former slaves. So
Speaker 1: we have been successful in a lot of things. So
Speaker 1: a lot of us don't have the mentality that we
Speaker 1: cannot be successful because of slavery. But we understand that
Speaker 1: because slavery existed and the wealth generated from slavery was
Speaker 1: maldistributed to the dominant society and denied us, we still
Speaker 1: have not gotten the reparations were supposed to get and
Speaker 1: people still thrive and live off our um the wealth
Speaker 1: generated from the labor of our people. That wealth has
Speaker 1: not disappeared. That money is still here today, and people
Speaker 1: are passing that money down and it's becoming more aggregated,
Speaker 1: and it's becoming more immense, and it's helping the dominant
Speaker 1: society while we have to figure out ways to kind
Speaker 1: of make ends meet and thrive in spite of the
Speaker 1: legacy of slavery. Well speaking, you mentioned reparations, and I
Speaker 1: wanna go to a comment you made back in August.
Speaker 1: You proposed the reparation package starting in twenty trillion dollars,
Speaker 1: and now I'm quoting you, that would be a five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand going to every foundational Black American whose lineage
Speaker 1: traces back to the American slave trade. That was enforced
Speaker 1: by the government. These payments can be dispersed in increments
Speaker 1: of eight thousand dollars a month for five years. Why
Speaker 1: do you think descendants of slaves at this particular point
Speaker 1: in time should be receiving reparations because this country built
Speaker 1: all of its wealth off the free labor of black people,
Speaker 1: and there is no time cut off for it. Um,
Speaker 1: We're still here. We're still filling the legacy of the
Speaker 1: lack of resources. The people in the dominant society are
Speaker 1: still thriving off the resources. This is not a new government.
Speaker 1: It's the same exact government. It's not like people use
Speaker 1: the argument, well there were slavery all over there was
Speaker 1: slavery in Rome. Well the Roman government back then is
Speaker 1: not here anymore. So do you take that up with
Speaker 1: some redallions. The United States government that benefited off the
Speaker 1: free labor of founding black Americans, that everybody came over
Speaker 1: and benefited from. That government is still alive. The Constitution
Speaker 1: is still here, and we have still not got knows
Speaker 1: those um, how many acres enem you? How many are so? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need those forty acres ENEMU. They understand how important
Speaker 1: it is that we descendants of slaves get those resources
Speaker 1: because other groups get the resources when they've been aggrieved.
Speaker 1: When Jewish people they get some of them get money
Speaker 1: from the Holocaust to this day. Um, the Japanese, they
Speaker 1: got reparations for being put in internment camps. Um. Native
Speaker 1: American groups and I'm talking about the red Native Americans,
Speaker 1: and many of them today are not the real Native Americans.
Speaker 1: You have what we call a bunch of five dollar Indians,
Speaker 1: meaning white people who paid money to the census takers
Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds to be
Speaker 1: classified as Native Americans so that they can get some
Speaker 1: of that land. But all types of billions of dollars
Speaker 1: allocated to Native American tribes, but nothing is allocated to us.
Speaker 1: When we talk about giving something to the people who
Speaker 1: built this nation from scratch for free, then all people
Speaker 1: have to get something and it will trickle down to us.
Speaker 1: So no, we're gonna have to get reparations specifically for
Speaker 1: foundation of Black Americans because we were specifically aggrieved and targeted.
Speaker 1: So for for the white Americans who didn't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with slavery, and I know you probably go
Speaker 1: back to their descendants should they be involved in the
Speaker 1: process of repaying the debt if you will, in the
Speaker 1: form of reparations. If you lived in this government, if
Speaker 1: you lived on this land, you benefited from slavery. Everything
Speaker 1: in this country was built on slave labor, every dime
Speaker 1: and renook, every cranny. If you lived here, you've benefited
Speaker 1: from slavery. You wore a part of the slave trade.
Speaker 1: The railroads were built off slavery. All the corporations were
Speaker 1: built off slavery. The insurance companies as we know it
Speaker 1: was built off slavery, the medical industry as we know
Speaker 1: it was built off slavery. Every thing was built off slavery.
Speaker 1: Black people were the first stocks and bonds on Wall Street.
Speaker 1: Everybody benefited from it, and they've gotten the resources they've gotten,
Speaker 1: And people who were classified as white were designated as
Speaker 1: a privileged protected class that will get some of those
Speaker 1: maldistributed resources. When they had the Homestead Act in this country,
Speaker 1: they allocated land for white Europeans to come over and
Speaker 1: get free land based off the tax dollars that was
Speaker 1: used to acquire the land. In the West, black people
Speaker 1: were specifically not allowed to get that land. So I
Speaker 1: mean just policy after policy that disenfranchised black people, but
Speaker 1: elevated people in the dominant white society. And they didn't
Speaker 1: refuse none of that land. When some of these European
Speaker 1: immigrants hopped on these boats to get over here, they
Speaker 1: knew that they were going to get unearned benefits from
Speaker 1: the free labor acquired or accumulated from black labor, from
Speaker 1: the wealth accumulated from black labor. They knew what they
Speaker 1: were getting when they came over here. That was the
Speaker 1: American dream. The American and dream was for other groups
Speaker 1: classified as white and then later other groups to come
Speaker 1: over here and benefit off the free labor and the
Speaker 1: unearned benefits that black people accumulated. So all of these
Speaker 1: people who come over here are responsible for the resources
Speaker 1: that were deprived of black people. I'm I want to
Speaker 1: read you a couple of quotes from leaders of the
Speaker 1: Civil Rights era, then get your response. Dr John Morcial,
Speaker 1: assistant director the Double A CP during the Civil Rights era,
Speaker 1: described the idea of reparations as an illogical, divisionary, and
Speaker 1: paltry way out for guilt written whites and civil rights
Speaker 1: leader Barriott Rustin, who organized the March on Washington the
Speaker 1: nineteen three, said that if my great grandfather picked cotton
Speaker 1: for fifty years. Then he may deserve some money, but
Speaker 1: he's dead and gone and nobody owes me anything. His
Speaker 1: point is basically that he doesn't make sense for people
Speaker 1: who never own slaves to get money to people who
Speaker 1: were never slaves that make amends for slavery. How do
Speaker 1: you respond to not I never put Native Americans off
Speaker 1: on a reservation. Why does my tax dollars go to
Speaker 1: pay them today? I never put any people who are
Speaker 1: Jewish and concentration camps, but our tax dollars go to
Speaker 1: some of those descendants today. I didn't put Japanese people
Speaker 1: in internment camps, but our tax dollars went to helping
Speaker 1: out the descendants of the Japanese families. See billions of
Speaker 1: dollars are going to Native American tribes today. These are
Speaker 1: tax dollars that we pay for. I didn't disenfranchise any
Speaker 1: immigrant groups in their home countries, but our tax dollars
Speaker 1: are going to doc A programs and Dreamer programs and
Speaker 1: bringing people over and putting them in h b c
Speaker 1: u s. A lot of these illegal immigrants come over
Speaker 1: and go to black colleges, colleges that were designed for
Speaker 1: US and our tax dollars are paying for it. I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything to these folks, but my tax dollars
Speaker 1: is still responsible for them. So if my tax dollars
Speaker 1: are responsible for these people who don't have anything to
Speaker 1: do with what's going on in the United States, then
Speaker 1: the tax dollars should be allocated it to the people
Speaker 1: and the descendants of the folks who built this nation,
Speaker 1: and they've been disenfranchised every since they built this nation. Say,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting argument. Um, I think people will have
Speaker 1: something to think about in terms of that. But I
Speaker 1: know folks will also wonder if my especially the point
Speaker 1: you raised is a good one, I think, um, and
Speaker 1: the sense that, yeah, why our tax dollars going to
Speaker 1: the folks who may be in a doctor program or
Speaker 1: may never have been American citizens themselves. So I can understand,
Speaker 1: even citizens, we were giving tax dollars the folks who
Speaker 1: are not citizens. But we also we also send tax
Speaker 1: dollars over the countries that we really shouldn't be sending
Speaker 1: over to. Like if you look at the stimulus package
Speaker 1: that recently was issued, what do you see three hundred billion,
Speaker 1: A hundred billion here, three billion there. Meanwhile, folks in
Speaker 1: our own country aren't getting the aid and assist that
Speaker 1: they really need to move forward during COVID. So this
Speaker 1: has been a backward system for a long long time.
Speaker 1: And now we're in a position whereas I may not
Speaker 1: agree with our tax dollars currently going to folks being
Speaker 1: paid for reparations in these other areas that whatever mouth
Speaker 1: FEASA is the government might have provided during that time.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to note where we are right now
Speaker 1: in terms of people actually really looking for that kind
Speaker 1: of assistance in the form of an eight thousand dollar
Speaker 1: check for five years. That's a pretty high bar. Twenty
Speaker 1: trillion dollars, that's a high high bar they have. They
Speaker 1: pulled that money off of COVID. They got that money
Speaker 1: that when they had COVID relief. That you saw how
Speaker 1: fast they pulled out from trillions of dollars they got
Speaker 1: money for that. They this is a very wealthy country.
Speaker 1: They got all this money for military spending. Listen, that
Speaker 1: money should be going to foundational Black Americans because look,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be spending the money anyway. See, they spend
Speaker 1: all this money harming black people. They use all of
Speaker 1: these billions and trillions of dollars to come up with
Speaker 1: military weaponry and all of these things too, to attack
Speaker 1: black people at these riots and at these protests. I
Speaker 1: remember going to Baltimore doing the Freddy Gray protests, and
Speaker 1: they're to be at least two or three billion dollars
Speaker 1: worth of military weaponry out there just for unarmed black
Speaker 1: teams fighting against nonjustice. So they can do with the
Speaker 1: easy way of the hard way. They can keep trying
Speaker 1: to disenfranchise Black Americans will still keep rising up against
Speaker 1: it because we've never been broken. We've always fought against
Speaker 1: nonjustice with the most resilient people in that regard. And
Speaker 1: this is why they have to have a military complex
Speaker 1: with the weapons pointed at us. You've noticed when the
Speaker 1: white people raided the White House and the Capitol Building,
Speaker 1: you didn't see none of those billions of dollars worth
Speaker 1: of tanks and rocket launchers and drones. You saw none
Speaker 1: of that. They acted like their hands were tied. All
Speaker 1: of those weapons are made for us, So y'all can
Speaker 1: spend your money on that, or you can do the
Speaker 1: right thing and give the reparations you're supposed to give
Speaker 1: so that we can have a peaceful and equitable existence
Speaker 1: here without using anti black racism as your cultural barometer.
Speaker 1: Anti black race sism is something that codifies all of
Speaker 1: the white supremacists and all of these other groups. This
Speaker 1: is why they only complain when tax dollars are supposed
Speaker 1: to go to specific black people. That's the only time
Speaker 1: it's a problem. If tax dollars are going to non citizens,
Speaker 1: they have no problem with it. But just the idea
Speaker 1: that black people are going to be getting something that
Speaker 1: nobody else is supposed to get. See, that messes up
Speaker 1: the the hierarchy of racism. Remember, black people have to
Speaker 1: be on the bottom. And the minute you start talking
Speaker 1: about taking black people off the bottom, well the whole
Speaker 1: culture of white supremacy is going to collapse. As it should.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have a culture of white supremacy. Everything should
Speaker 1: be equitable. Let's shift now to the Biden administration. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the new president and what Black people should
Speaker 1: hope from him, if anything. I want to ask you
Speaker 1: about that right after a quick break. Do you think
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a racist? I believe that he's a
Speaker 1: suspected white supremacist. Joe Biden has a long track record
Speaker 1: of ants out black racism. I have zero respect for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. His crime bill was horrible. He had segregationist
Speaker 1: views in the seventies. His rhetoric to black people now
Speaker 1: after they put him in office is despicable and disrespectful.
Speaker 1: So I have zero respect for him, and um the
Speaker 1: same lack of respect for Kamala Harris. Her track record
Speaker 1: with black people is just as bad. I think it's
Speaker 1: very disingenuous for the media to parade her around as
Speaker 1: some black sister girl, which she's not. She's not a
Speaker 1: foundation of Black American They paraded her around and did
Speaker 1: a Jedi mind trick on black people. This woman identifies
Speaker 1: as being an Asian and East Indian Asian, and many
Speaker 1: of them they have a long tradition of anti black racism.
Speaker 1: So you cannot be both this whole thing where she's
Speaker 1: Black and East Indian. Now, you can't be a victim
Speaker 1: of anti black racism and an anti black racist. You
Speaker 1: can't be both. So, you know, it's very interesting to
Speaker 1: see how these next four years gonna play. And do
Speaker 1: you think Americans can never resolve racial tensions and what
Speaker 1: would it take. Well, it's gonna it's going to be resolved.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be It's inevitable that it's going to be resolved,
Speaker 1: because what happens is the system of white supremacies should
Speaker 1: not exist. It's an artificial system, but it's an artificial
Speaker 1: system that's backed up by military might. But it's so
Speaker 1: unnatural that it's going to teeter itself out, and that's
Speaker 1: what it's doing. But we shouldn't have to wait until
Speaker 1: it teeters itself out. The thing is, the universe knows
Speaker 1: how to correct certain things. The universe can correct things
Speaker 1: that shouldn't exist. The universe is very good on doing that.
Speaker 1: And the system of white supremacy is un natural, meaning
Speaker 1: a system of people who believe that their whiteness makes
Speaker 1: them superior to others and that they should dominate, a
Speaker 1: mistreat and control people. So what happens in order to
Speaker 1: maintain that system, white people have created segregated enclaves for
Speaker 1: themselves to protect their genetics. That's what segregation really is.
Speaker 1: That's them setting up these enclaves so that they couldn't
Speaker 1: mix in with the other arc masses, so that their
Speaker 1: genetics can be protected. And what happens is you get
Speaker 1: into these little segregated enclaves and you start intermixing and
Speaker 1: interacting and interbreeding with each other. Then that becomes almost incestuous.
Speaker 1: This is why some of these little segregated towns people
Speaker 1: a white people are sleeping with their cousins and their
Speaker 1: uncles and their mom and their grandma's is a cluster
Speaker 1: of a whole bunch of nonsense. And this is causing
Speaker 1: more genetic problems. This is why a lot of white
Speaker 1: people in America are dying out now. And this is
Speaker 1: why they're saying by forty white people are going to
Speaker 1: be the minority here in America. And this is why
Speaker 1: there's a scramble now for them to um set up
Speaker 1: an apartheid system here to rule as a minority as
Speaker 1: they do in South Africa. Because this is why when
Speaker 1: Joe Biden got on that call with the black leaders,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was like, hey man, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: start working with the Hispanics. See, they're gonna try to
Speaker 1: widen up these other groups. So they're putting these other
Speaker 1: groups into like a hay process. So it's a real
Speaker 1: crazy thing that's going on now. This is why a
Speaker 1: lot of the white supremacists are panicking at this point.
Speaker 1: So it's it's the next few years is going to
Speaker 1: be very interesting. Wow. Okay, so yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was quite a quite a thought there. So you're saying
Speaker 1: that the Democrats are utilizing or rather white supremacist as
Speaker 1: you put it, Um, they're creating a cast system to
Speaker 1: rule as the minority. Um. And it's not the fact
Speaker 1: that a lot of Hispanics are coming over here and
Speaker 1: becoming legal and building families, which is creating a new majority.
Speaker 1: So that's not really the reason for that. Well, Biden
Speaker 1: said something very interesting again a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: He said, and this was Biden, he said, Hey, look,
Speaker 1: whites are going to be the minority in in He
Speaker 1: said this, this is Biden talking. So we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do something fast. So they you know, they're catching
Speaker 1: Biden saying all of this stuff. He's talking like Richard
Speaker 1: Spencer on some of these damn calls. They're getting them on.
Speaker 1: So what they've always done because Anglo white people, they've
Speaker 1: all they've been a minority for a long time. They've
Speaker 1: let a lot of other groups come over and they've
Speaker 1: ingratiated them into whiteness in order to boost the numbers
Speaker 1: of Globally white people are less than ten percent of
Speaker 1: the global population um relative to the world population, they're
Speaker 1: really not a lot of white people, even in Europe.
Speaker 1: This is why they do not all that Blexic stuff
Speaker 1: in Europe to try to get all the non white
Speaker 1: people up out and then try to control um them
Speaker 1: coming in and out of Europe. But there are really
Speaker 1: not a lot of white people on the planet, and
Speaker 1: they've always allowed other groups to come over and whiten
Speaker 1: up who were not considered white before. Remember the Irish
Speaker 1: were not considered white, but then they allowed them to
Speaker 1: be white in order to boost the numbers. The Greeks
Speaker 1: and the Italians were not considered white. For a long time.
Speaker 1: They would call the Italian's guineas Guineas that's a nickname
Speaker 1: for Africans because of the dark complexion of the Italians.
Speaker 1: But later in the twentieth century they allowed the Italians
Speaker 1: to come into whiteness in order to boost the numbers up.
Speaker 1: So they're doing that now. They're trying to do that
Speaker 1: with Hispanics now. But the thing is a lot of
Speaker 1: Hispanic culture is rooted in African culture, so they're real
Speaker 1: touchy feeling about that Hispanic thing. But that's the best deal.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get in order to boost those white numbers up.
Speaker 1: So they do little stuff like that scientific racism. That's
Speaker 1: a real thing. And another thing that they're doing now
Speaker 1: is they're getting into something called trans humanism. That's another
Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people need to look into
Speaker 1: in order to um sustain their numbers and to sustain
Speaker 1: their genetics. Epstein was into that. I think Elon Musker
Speaker 1: he's into that real heavy. He just announced that they're
Speaker 1: gonna start putting computer chips and people's brains and using
Speaker 1: computers to get in all people's into people's genetics. So
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is all about eugenics and survival,
Speaker 1: trans humanism and all of these little racial tactics they do.
Speaker 1: It's all a form of eugenics, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: a very interesting thing when you look at the dynamics
Speaker 1: of it. And and Joe Biden is the head of
Speaker 1: that because as we know, Republicans want legal immigration. They
Speaker 1: don't want to bring a bunch of folks in and
Speaker 1: just make them legal, right right, right, Well, I won't
Speaker 1: say the head of it. You know they with the Republicans.
Speaker 1: The thing is with them, anti black racism is old
Speaker 1: hat to them. You know they try to you know,
Speaker 1: they smacking around helpless black people. You know, they've been there,
Speaker 1: done that. So they got other issues they look at.
Speaker 1: But with the Democrats them undermining us and coming up
Speaker 1: with ways to undermine us with other groups, you know,
Speaker 1: that's really that's therefore, Tay, And that's why I say
Speaker 1: the Democrats are oftentimes more dangerous than these all right
Speaker 1: Republicans that people point to. Yeah, I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of races. I call out the alt right and
Speaker 1: all of the Richard Spencers and all these unite the
Speaker 1: right people all the time. But again, they have not
Speaker 1: done anything as far as policies to undermine black the
Speaker 1: people that we've seen since Trump was in office, So
Speaker 1: we we don't. In the nineteen sixties, Lyndon B. Johnson,
Speaker 1: he signed the Civil Rights Act. This man was all
Speaker 1: on video, not video, but he's all on secret tapes
Speaker 1: calling Dr King all types of niggas and all types
Speaker 1: of stuff. So he was a card carrying racist. But
Speaker 1: the thing is his policies, ultimately um benefited black people
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, and it was because of Republicans
Speaker 1: supporting that nineteen sixty five Civil Rights billers which is
Speaker 1: what you're referring to. Democrats and the Senate didn't want
Speaker 1: to support it, and they had the majority too. Well,
Speaker 1: they got on board because it was black people in
Speaker 1: the streets whooping asked that's no, no, no, no. They
Speaker 1: didn't get on board. Actually it was Republicans in the city.
Speaker 1: The ultimately was the reason that it passed. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to support it. They didn't want to get black
Speaker 1: folks rights. And that's the history of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: It's a racist party, that's what it's about. But both
Speaker 1: of them though nothing. Neither one really wanted to. Neither
Speaker 1: one really wanted to. They were forced to. They didn't
Speaker 1: do that. Let's be very clear. It wasn't like some
Speaker 1: type of political disagreement between the Democrats and Republicans. The
Speaker 1: they got on board because black people were in the
Speaker 1: streets forcing them to. Even the nineteen eight Act of
Speaker 1: Fair Housing that was forced on the government by black people,
Speaker 1: they didn't get in the room and just find religion.
Speaker 1: They when Dr King got killed in April April fourth,
Speaker 1: the that new civil rights bill, the Fair Housing Act,
Speaker 1: was signed seven days later. Why was it signed seven
Speaker 1: days later? Because black people had something called Holy Week
Speaker 1: black people were burning this country down. Black people got
Speaker 1: in the streets and started whipping ass and forced Johnson
Speaker 1: to sign that bill seven days later. So they've never
Speaker 1: got religion with each other. We always had to force
Speaker 1: them to do what we needed them to do. So
Speaker 1: I'm not giving either one of them credit for any
Speaker 1: of that. But I say that even though you have
Speaker 1: a racist or an open races in the office, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you push them hard enough,
Speaker 1: they'll do the right thing. No, I don't think Joe
Speaker 1: Biden has any intention of doing the right thing. And
Speaker 1: I'll end on this point. The Republican Party was started
Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty four in opposition to the Against Nebraska Act,
Speaker 1: which wanted to expand slavery. So it's foundations were about, uh,
Speaker 1: ending slavery, and I can appreciate that, but I understand
Speaker 1: so oh, no question about it, no question about it.
Speaker 1: I don't deny that, not one bit, No no question
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely So I want to thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on you. I certainly have
Speaker 1: a point of view that we really don't hear here often,
Speaker 1: so I really appreciate you coming out and sharing your
Speaker 1: thoughts on a plethora of things, and um, I certainly
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