Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello and welcome to the
Speaker 1: fourth season of Criminalia. It's pirate season. This time we're
Speaker 1: exploring the lives and motivations of some of the most
Speaker 1: notorious freebooters throughout history. I'm Maria Tremarqui and I'm Holly
Speaker 1: fry So. She has been called the Pirate Queen, the
Speaker 1: Fierce Queen, and Toyota the Untamable. She was born probably
Speaker 1: around two d sixty b C and died around or
Speaker 1: shortly after to BC. Queen to Jota is often considered
Speaker 1: the pirate Queen of Antiquity, but that's actually a little
Speaker 1: bit misleading, and it's misleading because she was not actually
Speaker 1: a pirate herself. While she might not be known for
Speaker 1: personally pillaging and looting, she is known for commanding an
Speaker 1: army of pirates throughout the Adriatic and mediterran Indian seas,
Speaker 1: and she's also known for defying the Roman Republic. Toyota
Speaker 1: was the second wife of Agrin, king of the Illyrians,
Speaker 1: and stepmother to Agrin infant son. We are not sure
Speaker 1: of the pronunciation on this one. We are guessing Pine's.
Speaker 1: Under his leadership, the Ardian Kingdom went through a period
Speaker 1: of expansion, and Agrin was the first king to unify
Speaker 1: the tribes and regions between the Adriatic coast, from land
Speaker 1: that's now modern day Slovenia all the way to part
Speaker 1: of the Balkan Peninsula in Albania. The Illyrians were tribes
Speaker 1: and states of people with similar language and customs, and
Speaker 1: they all lived in the same region. They were a
Speaker 1: loosely and I'm going to review that loosely tied nation.
Speaker 1: It's believed that the name was originally the name of
Speaker 1: a single tribe, and that upon meeting the ancient Greeks
Speaker 1: and Romans misunderstood that and called all the tribes and
Speaker 1: states in the area Illyrians. Because of the available information,
Speaker 1: we're actually going to just use the word Illyrian in
Speaker 1: that more blanket sense. But keep in mind throughout that
Speaker 1: we are not talking about a monolith, and that this
Speaker 1: is a construct of historians outside this culture. Now you
Speaker 1: may recognize the Illyrians because the name appears in Greek
Speaker 1: mythology in battle in the legend of Cadmus and Harmonia.
Speaker 1: But to be clear, the Illyrians were also real people
Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking about the real people
Speaker 1: and pirates and violence that took place during the third
Speaker 1: century during Queen Toota's reign. King Argun ruled during the
Speaker 1: second half of the third century BC. He was the
Speaker 1: king who brought the Illyrian ships under the leader's umbrella control.
Speaker 1: So previously these sailors had been independent, let's call them entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: and taking all they could get for themselves until the
Speaker 1: king made their piracy part of his state policy. Agrin
Speaker 1: grew to have the most powerful army and navy of
Speaker 1: Illyrian rulers before him, and among his neighboring lands as well.
Speaker 1: Although he won and lost many battles, he is best
Speaker 1: known for his victory over the Aetolian League in western Greece,
Speaker 1: but it was this battle against the Aetolians that would
Speaker 1: also be his end. Around two thirty one b c.
Speaker 1: E Agrin died subtly. Some accounts suggest that the king
Speaker 1: was known to celebrate with the crews of his victorious ships,
Speaker 1: and that this time he overindulged. Other versions suggest that
Speaker 1: he died from complications of pleurisy, and yet others kind
Speaker 1: of make a combination package of this and suggest that
Speaker 1: he died of complications of pleuracy because he partied too
Speaker 1: hard with the pirates. When he died. Piny's, though the
Speaker 1: king's only heir, did not rule. He was actually really
Speaker 1: very young when his father died, and Toyota stepped in
Speaker 1: to act as queen regent over the kingdom in his place.
Speaker 1: So what we know about her rule are primarily accounts
Speaker 1: of her pro piracy laws. Writ accounts of her, though
Speaker 1: have been considered sexist by some, and in general, are
Speaker 1: all written with a very pro Greek or pro Roman
Speaker 1: point of view. They were, after all written by ancient
Speaker 1: Greeks and Romans. As we go along, remember it is
Speaker 1: often best to take things with a green of salt.
Speaker 1: Anytime you're talking about events as far back as the
Speaker 1: third century b c. The distance of time has made
Speaker 1: things a little blurry. What's interesting and important about that
Speaker 1: is that the guy who primarily wrote about thrown Republic's
Speaker 1: rise to power also wrote about this queen, and that's
Speaker 1: the account from which we draw most of our knowledge
Speaker 1: about Toyota. Enter Polybius. Polybius was a Greek statesman and historian.
Speaker 1: His works include a now lost manual on military tactics,
Speaker 1: but he is best known for his writings called the Histories.
Speaker 1: Polybius was known to conduct interviews. He was essentially an
Speaker 1: early journalist, and he was considered to be an analytical historian.
Speaker 1: The details of out many events from history are based
Speaker 1: on his interpretation and his writing about it. Today's scholars
Speaker 1: accept his work more or less at face value, largely
Speaker 1: because he himself outed an approach that recorded history should
Speaker 1: always have eyewitness accounts to verify any story. Modern historians
Speaker 1: Andrew Curry and Craig Champion consider Polybius to be we quote,
Speaker 1: fairly reliable and remarkably well informed, industrious, and insightful. We
Speaker 1: will actually hear a lot of his thoughts as we continue,
Speaker 1: but right now we're going to take a break for
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and when we're back, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about a queen who authorized piracy in her kingdom.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's start by talking about what
Speaker 1: the historian Polybius thought of Toyota. Polibius wrote about Toyota,
Speaker 1: but he also wrote about her husband, Agrant. I mean
Speaker 1: quote him here, Agrin, he wrote, possessed the most powerful force,
Speaker 1: both by land and sea, of any of the kings
Speaker 1: who had reigned in Illyria before him. He described Toyota,
Speaker 1: though as having a quote woman's natural shortness of you.
Speaker 1: He wrote that she quote could see nothing but the
Speaker 1: recent success and had no eyes of what was going
Speaker 1: on elsewhere. But what he does go on to mention
Speaker 1: about her is that the queen supported and encouraged piracy
Speaker 1: among her people and ordered her vessels to treat everyone
Speaker 1: as an enemy. The Illyrians had a long and story
Speaker 1: and pirating tradition. They had long been praying on Italian
Speaker 1: merchants who traded in the Adriatic Sea. Just as under
Speaker 1: the deceased King Agrin, piracy was legal. Under the Queen,
Speaker 1: she outwardly supported and encouraged piracy, and throughout her whole
Speaker 1: reign she kept it legal. In fact, it was considered
Speaker 1: a suitable, if not respectable, way of making a living
Speaker 1: in her kingdom. Piracy brought her more wealth and allowed
Speaker 1: her to show up her own resources. As queen and
Speaker 1: commander of the Illyrian pirates, Toyota was bold. Remember, she
Speaker 1: wasn't doing it herself, but she was giving all of
Speaker 1: the orders. She sanctioned piracy in the Adriatic and the
Speaker 1: Mediterranean seas. She authorized those engaging in piracy. They were
Speaker 1: actually given licenses. These were letters of mark and reprisal
Speaker 1: issued by the government, making it legal for private citizens
Speaker 1: to basically become legal pirates. That was a career path.
Speaker 1: They are known, of course as privateers or corsairs, and
Speaker 1: they're basically pirates who got paid to do it to you.
Speaker 1: To use her privateers as her own private army, which
Speaker 1: sailed in well armed ships. They were allowed to attack
Speaker 1: and capture merchant vessels at sea and pillage what they
Speaker 1: could find on land. And it was all legal, whether
Speaker 1: the victim was of a nation at war with the
Speaker 1: Illyrians or not. And it's the end that the Illyrians
Speaker 1: became well known and maybe infamous or feared are better
Speaker 1: words here for looting merchant chips. I'm just thinking about
Speaker 1: the concept of, yes, this is your job, and also
Speaker 1: you can do whatever illegal thing you want, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: It's it's still your job, and we'll sanction it, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. This thing looks like a driver's
Speaker 1: license in riinal in the Histories, Polybius wrote of the
Speaker 1: queen quote. Her first measure was to grant license to privateers,
Speaker 1: authorizing them to plunder all whom they fell in with.
Speaker 1: And she next collected a fleet and military force as
Speaker 1: large as the former one, and dispatched them with general
Speaker 1: instructions to the leaders to regard every land as belonging
Speaker 1: to an enemy. He continued on about Toyota, saying from
Speaker 1: time immemorial the Illyrians had oppressed in pillaged vessels sailing
Speaker 1: from Italy. They committed acts of piracy on a number
Speaker 1: of Italian merchants. Some they merely plundered, others they murder,
Speaker 1: and a great many they carried off alive into captivity.
Speaker 1: The Illyrians who sailed sailed three main types of warships.
Speaker 1: These were Lembo, the Priests, and the Laburna. All of
Speaker 1: these were pretty good for pirating. The priest ease was
Speaker 1: long and narrow as a warship. The Laburnian warship was
Speaker 1: powerful and it was propelled by oars. But their fastest
Speaker 1: and most agile, and a very common choice for those
Speaker 1: engaging in piracy, was the Lembo. This had a single
Speaker 1: bank of oars and no sales, and it was considered
Speaker 1: the best of the best of transport ships in the
Speaker 1: ancient world. It said the Illarians packed as many as
Speaker 1: one hundred pirates into the vessel's tight galley, and that
Speaker 1: was fifteen a row and fifty to fight. But probably
Speaker 1: give her take on those number of rowers, that seems
Speaker 1: really high. So the Llarian piracy it worked like this,
Speaker 1: and it seems very piraty. Actually, crews in Lembo Is
Speaker 1: hidden sheltered places along the coast, and they waited for
Speaker 1: merchant ships to comby, and when one did, they would
Speaker 1: row until they were alongside, they'd board, and then they'd
Speaker 1: overwhelmed the crew and take whatever it was that they wanted.
Speaker 1: Very efficient. That's why they need fifty dudes, because they
Speaker 1: got to be fast and shock about it. Merchants who
Speaker 1: were being plundered by these pirate ships asked for help
Speaker 1: from the states on the shores of the Adriatic, but
Speaker 1: no one really had the forces needed to fight these pirates,
Speaker 1: and at this time the Romans really didn't see the
Speaker 1: need to get involved. Because the Illyrians had attacked a
Speaker 1: few merchants and threatened a lot of others. Encouraged by
Speaker 1: their pirate commanding queen, and with no or very few
Speaker 1: repercussions from anyone else, crews increased their intensity of the attacks.
Speaker 1: Allarian pirates overtook the city of Finichet, and more than
Speaker 1: once actually, although sometimes the Allarians were forced to withdraw
Speaker 1: their own troops because of an internal rebellion. It didn't
Speaker 1: happen all the time, but in fighting among tribes was
Speaker 1: way more common than you might guess. When not fighting
Speaker 1: among themselves, the Illyrian pirates did attack others. They violently
Speaker 1: defeated a Pirochet forces sent to fortify Finachet. Many were
Speaker 1: killed or captured, and it said that a garrison of
Speaker 1: eight hundred men surrendered to Toyota's pirate crews. This was
Speaker 1: an attention grabbing event. So, for example, had this happened
Speaker 1: in a time when media was widespread, it would have
Speaker 1: been front page news kind of all over the globe.
Speaker 1: Their piracy in the Adriatic, which included raiding Roman and
Speaker 1: Greek ships and coastal settlements, finally did catch the attention
Speaker 1: of Rome. It was when Toyota's pirate ships began attacking
Speaker 1: Roman vessels that things started to escalate. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a quick break for a word from a sponsor,
Speaker 1: and when we're back, let's talk about why the Roman
Speaker 1: Republic would care at all about Queen Toyota. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to criminalia. Now let's talk about the time when Queen
Speaker 1: Toyota assassinated one or maybe two Roman envoys. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we have to lay the groundwork for what's going on.
Speaker 1: At this time, the Roman Republic had just defeated the Carthaginians.
Speaker 1: Because Rome had eyes on controlling the Mediterranean. They wanted
Speaker 1: this thriving port and this trading area, the Republic declared
Speaker 1: war in what became known as the First Punic War.
Speaker 1: Olybia's described the Punic Wars. There were three between the
Speaker 1: empires as quote, the longest and most severely contested war
Speaker 1: in history. The Punic Wars were basically two empires battling
Speaker 1: for control of trade in the Mediterranean Sea. And this
Speaker 1: could easily be a whole episode in its own right
Speaker 1: if we were covering international conflicts instead of pirates. That
Speaker 1: victory for the Romans was important because it boosted the
Speaker 1: Roman Republic's influence across the Mediterranean. But there was another
Speaker 1: rival on the rise that could get in their way,
Speaker 1: and that's too so Toota and her assembly of pirates
Speaker 1: had begun to threaten and pillage vessels along trade routes
Speaker 1: that ran across the Adriatic Sea. And Roman vessels were
Speaker 1: pillaged as well. Rome sent two envoys, Gaius and Lucius Corincanius,
Speaker 1: to meet with the queen, and this was to try
Speaker 1: to dissuade her from continuing to pursue and encourage piracy.
Speaker 1: She insisted that she was simply not responsible for the
Speaker 1: actions of Illyrian privateers. Toyota said to have replied, quote,
Speaker 1: it was never the custom of royalty to prevent the
Speaker 1: advantage of its subjects that they could get from the sea.
Speaker 1: It is said that when one of the envoys sharply
Speaker 1: disagreed with her on this point, she ordered one of them,
Speaker 1: and possibly both of them killed. But here there are
Speaker 1: other accounts that suggest the queen's meeting with the Roman
Speaker 1: envoys went a little bit differently. In one really stand
Speaker 1: out account by a Roman historian, it's written that Toota
Speaker 1: had not yet risen to power when the Roman Senate
Speaker 1: sent in there too ambassadors, and that changes the story
Speaker 1: quite a bit if it's true. Regardless of whether Toyota
Speaker 1: had already become the scourge of the Mediterranean or not,
Speaker 1: the Roman Republic was in a really strong position when
Speaker 1: Toyota hit their radar. They had unified Italy, and they
Speaker 1: had recently defeated a significant rival for control over strategic
Speaker 1: positions in the Mediterranean Sea, and they were now the
Speaker 1: largest presence in the Mediterranean, but Toyota refused to submit
Speaker 1: to them. Toyota's power was increasing, and after brutal attacks
Speaker 1: from her pirates on Roman trading vessels, the treatment of
Speaker 1: their envoys, and the fact that they really really wanted
Speaker 1: trade in the Adriatic, the Romans Senate deployed their navy
Speaker 1: against her. And when the Romans attacked, they were fearce
Speaker 1: and methodical, and they tried to parlay that loose association
Speaker 1: of groups that made up the Illyrians into suggesting that
Speaker 1: pirates sailing for Toyota had been pressed into it. They
Speaker 1: traveled up the Adriatic coast quote freeing again that is,
Speaker 1: with quotes, freeing these Illyrian crews along the way, and
Speaker 1: each of these boats was told that they were now
Speaker 1: under Roman protection. Again that's air quotes, although Rome didn't
Speaker 1: station any troops in these allegedly newly freed areas, so
Speaker 1: there really was no protection there whatsoever. They also tried
Speaker 1: to convince the Illyrian pirates that the Roman Republic was
Speaker 1: their new and one more time with those air quotes. Friend, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're friends. We're pals. Listening, guys, Friends don't attack friends.
Speaker 1: Everybody be cool. It was around this time that Demetrius Afaris,
Speaker 1: he was the advisor slash military general to Toyota, he
Speaker 1: turned traitor. Seeing that the odds were not good against Rome,
Speaker 1: or just maybe out of fear, he turned his loyalties
Speaker 1: away from the queen and collaborated with the republic instead,
Speaker 1: and he even acted as Rome's counsel in the war
Speaker 1: against Toyota, and that betrayal was decisive in the conflict.
Speaker 1: Over the course of just a few weeks, Rome destroyed
Speaker 1: Toyota's kingdom and the unification of Illyrian tribes that King
Speaker 1: Agrin had accomplished was gone. This was the beginning of
Speaker 1: what would come to be known as the Illyrian Wars,
Speaker 1: a series of conflicts between Rome and the Illyrians for
Speaker 1: control of trade across the Adriatic Sea. The first battle,
Speaker 1: which is this battle we're talking about, lasted for two years,
Speaker 1: and when the Romans completely overwhelmed the Illyrian garrison at Coursyra,
Speaker 1: Queen Toyotas surrendered. Rome placed a few terms on her surrender,
Speaker 1: including of course abdication of the throne. Many accounts report
Speaker 1: that Toyota was actually given a small region that she
Speaker 1: could rule, but we can't prove that that's not verified
Speaker 1: in any sort of real way. There are, of course
Speaker 1: a few versions of what happened when to surrendered. There's
Speaker 1: one that says she begged the Romans for a truth.
Speaker 1: There's another that says she was fined and forced to
Speaker 1: surrender most of her kingdom to the Republic. And there
Speaker 1: was one thing that seemed to be part of a
Speaker 1: few of these stories, actually that she was forbidden from
Speaker 1: ever again setting sail with more than two ships that
Speaker 1: would be two membos, in particular beyond southern Olaria. This
Speaker 1: one comes up a lot because I think it makes
Speaker 1: sense this would keep her personally from engaging in piracy
Speaker 1: and with pirates and with her pirate crews. The final
Speaker 1: one here is actually much different about her surrender, and
Speaker 1: this story in her legend tells that she allegedly threw
Speaker 1: herself off of a cliff rather than surrender to the
Speaker 1: Roman Republic. Perhaps not surprisingly and almost certainly because it's
Speaker 1: the most dramatic, The most popular story of her surrender
Speaker 1: is that one where she throws herself off of the cliff,
Speaker 1: and that piece of her legend remains today as a
Speaker 1: curse on Risin. That's an ancient town in the Bay
Speaker 1: of kod Or, Montenegro. That curse rising is a town
Speaker 1: that too, it had fled to and is now the
Speaker 1: only town in the region without a real seafaring tradition,
Speaker 1: and the lord tells us that before plunging to her death,
Speaker 1: she cursed this town to never be able to build
Speaker 1: a seafaring vessel there, basically saying, if I die here,
Speaker 1: so does this region's relationship with the sea. Despite the
Speaker 1: fact that that is the most dramatic and most popular
Speaker 1: story of her death, we don't actually know if that's
Speaker 1: how she died. We don't know at all how her
Speaker 1: life ended, and if she didn't die. At this point,
Speaker 1: it's unclear what happened to this pirate queen after there's
Speaker 1: no evidence that would corroborate the jumping off a cliff
Speaker 1: to her death story. Neither has a tomb ever been uncovered,
Speaker 1: so we don't know the reason for anyone's cause of
Speaker 1: death in the story. Because of the same reason. It's
Speaker 1: the third century b C. So it's not entirely strange.
Speaker 1: And as we said, given how far back these events
Speaker 1: took place, it's sometimes really hard to know. So when
Speaker 1: it comes to Toyota, we don't know if she was
Speaker 1: better or worse or completely different than a historians captured
Speaker 1: and wrote down. And the same is really true of
Speaker 1: everyone that we just talked about. History, modern and ancient
Speaker 1: is full of rulers who were powerful women, women who
Speaker 1: might stand up to the Roman Republic, women who are
Speaker 1: still celebrated today, whether they led an army of pirates
Speaker 1: or they did the pirate ing themselves. So Toyota has
Speaker 1: her own sort of folk hero status, even if her
Speaker 1: story can't be verified. Corea, would you like to step
Speaker 1: inside the groggery, I will be right there, okay. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to think about uh spirit that is associated
Speaker 1: with the Mediterranean. Now, if you look up Albanian spirits,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are very fruit based. Those are
Speaker 1: cool and it's very um if you'll forgive the accidental
Speaker 1: kind of wordsmanship, they're they're very right for potential experimentation.
Speaker 1: But this is another one where I wanted to make
Speaker 1: something that might not be what people think they will like,
Speaker 1: but it's surprisingly yummy, so instead I went with another
Speaker 1: Mediterranean spirit. It starts with uzo. Oh my god, all right,
Speaker 1: so what are we calling? So I love Uso, and
Speaker 1: I know it's not for everyone because it's you know,
Speaker 1: annas and it has that LICORICEI flavor. I love an
Speaker 1: Anna set, I love any of the European liquorice liqueurs
Speaker 1: I'm into. But I thought it would be fun since
Speaker 1: that you know, is most associated with Grease, which was
Speaker 1: an area where she was sailing and potentially, like some
Speaker 1: of her privateers, may have brought her some back, so
Speaker 1: it ties into the whole story. And I also wanted
Speaker 1: to do something that nods to the Uso citrus in
Speaker 1: the area, which is pretty common both in the cuisine
Speaker 1: and the beverages. So it's essentially a lemonade and uzo
Speaker 1: bas drink. I'm calling it too discurse, but it it
Speaker 1: isn't a curse. It's in fact delicious. You made me
Speaker 1: a drink, right. So I discovered in prepping for this
Speaker 1: that if you squirrel around online, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people that do kind of a lemonade with uzo,
Speaker 1: and there are variations. Mine is the easy peasy version
Speaker 1: because most of them want you to do like a
Speaker 1: more from the ground up, from scratch kind of lemonade
Speaker 1: base where you use lemon juice and water and you
Speaker 1: add honey or some of their sweetener. I think you
Speaker 1: can just grab lemonade from the store. It's fine, um.
Speaker 1: And I did that, and I got like a lower
Speaker 1: sugar lemonade because I usually do. It is one ounce
Speaker 1: of uzo, one ounce of vodka. I used a citrus vodka,
Speaker 1: like a grapefruit vodka, and that was yummy. But you
Speaker 1: can also just use your basic, straight clean vodka. And
Speaker 1: then I did about five ounces of lemonade and I
Speaker 1: shook it all together and just poured it over ice.
Speaker 1: You can, you know, garnish that with a piece of citrus,
Speaker 1: or with a little mint sprig if you want to
Speaker 1: just add a nice aromatic to it. Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'll have everyone know that. She lenned in and she said,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I know that not everybody likes licorice
Speaker 1: flavored things. Annis doesn't work for everyone, including my guinea pig.
Speaker 1: I e my beloved husband, but I asked him. I
Speaker 1: was like, just try this, though, because something happens when
Speaker 1: you mix the uzo and the lemonade where that licoricey
Speaker 1: flavor gets countered by the citrus in a way that
Speaker 1: that makes it not quite what I think most people
Speaker 1: are responding to when they say they don't like annis flavor.
Speaker 1: And he was like, this is not bad at all.
Speaker 1: And so that to me is like a resounding the
Speaker 1: endorsement of his drink, because that's about as enthusiastic as
Speaker 1: he's going to get regarding a cocktail with ingredients he's
Speaker 1: suspicious of. Um. So I absolutely loved it. I thought
Speaker 1: it was so delicious and super yummy, and I see
Speaker 1: why a lot of people have done this sort of
Speaker 1: combo or some variation on it. If you want to
Speaker 1: do a non alcoholic version, it's very easy you, but
Speaker 1: it does require you to be a little bit careful.
Speaker 1: I used a dropper and I put about three drops
Speaker 1: of Annas extract like that you would get for baking,
Speaker 1: in the base of my glass over some ice, and
Speaker 1: then I poured the lemon the lemonade on top of
Speaker 1: it gave it a good stir. The reason I say
Speaker 1: you want to be very careful is that anytime you're
Speaker 1: dealing with an extract, it's so highly concentrated that like,
Speaker 1: you can easily go overboard absolutely, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to get a single spoon involved. You literally want drops,
Speaker 1: not even your quarter teaspoon, You want only drops. The
Speaker 1: good news is if you overdo it, you can just
Speaker 1: keep adding lemonade until you get the mix you like.
Speaker 1: You can even dilute with water a little bit. Also,
Speaker 1: since we're kind of in that time, even though this
Speaker 1: has been a blistering lye hot summer and it doesn't
Speaker 1: really feel like we're in autumn yet, but it's like
Speaker 1: a nice transition flavor from summer into autumn because that
Speaker 1: liquorice little undercurrent gives it a nice hey, we're heading
Speaker 1: into its or rombust flavors that is Toots curse. I
Speaker 1: am going to drink a lot of these well because
Speaker 1: they're they're interesting. It's an unusual flavor that you're not
Speaker 1: normally getting. I think it's interesting on the palette. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to try. It's very refreshing and it's easy
Speaker 1: as pie to throw together. So like, it's a great
Speaker 1: one to do in a picture form if you're having
Speaker 1: people over who are willing to take that walk with you.
Speaker 1: Even if you are not a liquorice person. The other
Speaker 1: thing I was gonna say is that if people for
Speaker 1: whatever reason don't have access to usso you can also
Speaker 1: do this with any kind of liquorice. Liquor like, any
Speaker 1: kind of ANNA set will work fine. It'll change the
Speaker 1: profile a little bit because they just concentrate a little
Speaker 1: bit differently, but it will still be very yummy. I
Speaker 1: tried it a quick version with an annaset and it
Speaker 1: was also delicious. I'm super excited about this drink. It
Speaker 1: has things in it that I like. Everything in it.
Speaker 1: I love listen. I try to take care view when
Speaker 1: I can, you really do. I feel like this drink
Speaker 1: is made for me. So if you try it, we
Speaker 1: hope that you love it. We also hope you've enjoyed
Speaker 1: this little chat we've had today and spending time with us.
Speaker 1: We're so grateful that you do. So. We have so
Speaker 1: many more pirates on the horizon, so thank you for
Speaker 1: spending time with us this weekend. There is gonna be
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