WEBVTT - Queen Teuta the Untameable

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello and welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth season of Criminalia. It's pirate season. This time we're

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<v Speaker 1>exploring the lives and motivations of some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>notorious freebooters throughout history. I'm Maria Tremarqui and I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>fry So. She has been called the Pirate Queen, the

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<v Speaker 1>Fierce Queen, and Toyota the Untamable. She was born probably

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<v Speaker 1>around two d sixty b C and died around or

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after to BC. Queen to Jota is often considered

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<v Speaker 1>the pirate Queen of Antiquity, but that's actually a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit misleading, and it's misleading because she was not actually

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<v Speaker 1>a pirate herself. While she might not be known for

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<v Speaker 1>personally pillaging and looting, she is known for commanding an

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<v Speaker 1>army of pirates throughout the Adriatic and mediterran Indian seas,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's also known for defying the Roman Republic. Toyota

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<v Speaker 1>was the second wife of Agrin, king of the Illyrians,

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<v Speaker 1>and stepmother to Agrin infant son. We are not sure

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<v Speaker 1>of the pronunciation on this one. We are guessing Pine's.

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<v Speaker 1>Under his leadership, the Ardian Kingdom went through a period

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<v Speaker 1>of expansion, and Agrin was the first king to unify

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<v Speaker 1>the tribes and regions between the Adriatic coast, from land

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<v Speaker 1>that's now modern day Slovenia all the way to part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Balkan Peninsula in Albania. The Illyrians were tribes

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<v Speaker 1>and states of people with similar language and customs, and

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<v Speaker 1>they all lived in the same region. They were a

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<v Speaker 1>loosely and I'm going to review that loosely tied nation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's believed that the name was originally the name of

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<v Speaker 1>a single tribe, and that upon meeting the ancient Greeks

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<v Speaker 1>and Romans misunderstood that and called all the tribes and

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<v Speaker 1>states in the area Illyrians. Because of the available information,

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually going to just use the word Illyrian in

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<v Speaker 1>that more blanket sense. But keep in mind throughout that

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<v Speaker 1>we are not talking about a monolith, and that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a construct of historians outside this culture. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>may recognize the Illyrians because the name appears in Greek

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<v Speaker 1>mythology in battle in the legend of Cadmus and Harmonia.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be clear, the Illyrians were also real people

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to be talking about the real people

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<v Speaker 1>and pirates and violence that took place during the third

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<v Speaker 1>century during Queen Toota's reign. King Argun ruled during the

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<v Speaker 1>second half of the third century BC. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>king who brought the Illyrian ships under the leader's umbrella control.

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<v Speaker 1>So previously these sailors had been independent, let's call them entrepreneurs,

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<v Speaker 1>and taking all they could get for themselves until the

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<v Speaker 1>king made their piracy part of his state policy. Agrin

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<v Speaker 1>grew to have the most powerful army and navy of

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<v Speaker 1>Illyrian rulers before him, and among his neighboring lands as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Although he won and lost many battles, he is best

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<v Speaker 1>known for his victory over the Aetolian League in western Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was this battle against the Aetolians that would

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<v Speaker 1>also be his end. Around two thirty one b c.

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<v Speaker 1>E Agrin died subtly. Some accounts suggest that the king

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<v Speaker 1>was known to celebrate with the crews of his victorious ships,

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<v Speaker 1>and that this time he overindulged. Other versions suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>he died from complications of pleurisy, and yet others kind

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<v Speaker 1>of make a combination package of this and suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>he died of complications of pleuracy because he partied too

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<v Speaker 1>hard with the pirates. When he died. Piny's, though the

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<v Speaker 1>king's only heir, did not rule. He was actually really

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<v Speaker 1>very young when his father died, and Toyota stepped in

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<v Speaker 1>to act as queen regent over the kingdom in his place.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we know about her rule are primarily accounts

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<v Speaker 1>of her pro piracy laws. Writ accounts of her, though

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<v Speaker 1>have been considered sexist by some, and in general, are

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<v Speaker 1>all written with a very pro Greek or pro Roman

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<v Speaker 1>point of view. They were, after all written by ancient

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<v Speaker 1>Greeks and Romans. As we go along, remember it is

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<v Speaker 1>often best to take things with a green of salt.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime you're talking about events as far back as the

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<v Speaker 1>third century b c. The distance of time has made

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<v Speaker 1>things a little blurry. What's interesting and important about that

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<v Speaker 1>is that the guy who primarily wrote about thrown Republic's

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<v Speaker 1>rise to power also wrote about this queen, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the account from which we draw most of our knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>about Toyota. Enter Polybius. Polybius was a Greek statesman and historian.

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<v Speaker 1>His works include a now lost manual on military tactics,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is best known for his writings called the Histories.

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<v Speaker 1>Polybius was known to conduct interviews. He was essentially an

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<v Speaker 1>early journalist, and he was considered to be an analytical historian.

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<v Speaker 1>The details of out many events from history are based

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<v Speaker 1>on his interpretation and his writing about it. Today's scholars

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<v Speaker 1>accept his work more or less at face value, largely

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<v Speaker 1>because he himself outed an approach that recorded history should

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<v Speaker 1>always have eyewitness accounts to verify any story. Modern historians

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Curry and Craig Champion consider Polybius to be we quote,

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<v Speaker 1>fairly reliable and remarkably well informed, industrious, and insightful. We

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<v Speaker 1>will actually hear a lot of his thoughts as we continue,

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<v Speaker 1>but right now we're going to take a break for

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<v Speaker 1>a word from our sponsor, and when we're back, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a queen who authorized piracy in her kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's start by talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>the historian Polybius thought of Toyota. Polibius wrote about Toyota,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also wrote about her husband, Agrant. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>quote him here, Agrin, he wrote, possessed the most powerful force,

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<v Speaker 1>both by land and sea, of any of the kings

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<v Speaker 1>who had reigned in Illyria before him. He described Toyota,

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<v Speaker 1>though as having a quote woman's natural shortness of you.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote that she quote could see nothing but the

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<v Speaker 1>recent success and had no eyes of what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on elsewhere. But what he does go on to mention

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<v Speaker 1>about her is that the queen supported and encouraged piracy

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<v Speaker 1>among her people and ordered her vessels to treat everyone

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<v Speaker 1>as an enemy. The Illyrians had a long and story

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<v Speaker 1>and pirating tradition. They had long been praying on Italian

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<v Speaker 1>merchants who traded in the Adriatic Sea. Just as under

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<v Speaker 1>the deceased King Agrin, piracy was legal. Under the Queen,

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<v Speaker 1>she outwardly supported and encouraged piracy, and throughout her whole

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<v Speaker 1>reign she kept it legal. In fact, it was considered

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<v Speaker 1>a suitable, if not respectable, way of making a living

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<v Speaker 1>in her kingdom. Piracy brought her more wealth and allowed

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<v Speaker 1>her to show up her own resources. As queen and

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<v Speaker 1>commander of the Illyrian pirates, Toyota was bold. Remember, she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't doing it herself, but she was giving all of

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<v Speaker 1>the orders. She sanctioned piracy in the Adriatic and the

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<v Speaker 1>Mediterranean seas. She authorized those engaging in piracy. They were

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<v Speaker 1>actually given licenses. These were letters of mark and reprisal

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<v Speaker 1>issued by the government, making it legal for private citizens

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<v Speaker 1>to basically become legal pirates. That was a career path.

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<v Speaker 1>They are known, of course as privateers or corsairs, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're basically pirates who got paid to do it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>To use her privateers as her own private army, which

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<v Speaker 1>sailed in well armed ships. They were allowed to attack

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<v Speaker 1>and capture merchant vessels at sea and pillage what they

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<v Speaker 1>could find on land. And it was all legal, whether

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<v Speaker 1>the victim was of a nation at war with the

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<v Speaker 1>Illyrians or not. And it's the end that the Illyrians

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<v Speaker 1>became well known and maybe infamous or feared are better

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<v Speaker 1>words here for looting merchant chips. I'm just thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of, yes, this is your job, and also

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<v Speaker 1>you can do whatever illegal thing you want, but that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's still your job, and we'll sanction it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give you. This thing looks like a driver's

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<v Speaker 1>license in riinal in the Histories, Polybius wrote of the

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<v Speaker 1>queen quote. Her first measure was to grant license to privateers,

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<v Speaker 1>authorizing them to plunder all whom they fell in with.

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<v Speaker 1>And she next collected a fleet and military force as

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<v Speaker 1>large as the former one, and dispatched them with general

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<v Speaker 1>instructions to the leaders to regard every land as belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to an enemy. He continued on about Toyota, saying from

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<v Speaker 1>time immemorial the Illyrians had oppressed in pillaged vessels sailing

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<v Speaker 1>from Italy. They committed acts of piracy on a number

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<v Speaker 1>of Italian merchants. Some they merely plundered, others they murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and a great many they carried off alive into captivity.

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<v Speaker 1>The Illyrians who sailed sailed three main types of warships.

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<v Speaker 1>These were Lembo, the Priests, and the Laburna. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these were pretty good for pirating. The priest ease was

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<v Speaker 1>long and narrow as a warship. The Laburnian warship was

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<v Speaker 1>powerful and it was propelled by oars. But their fastest

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<v Speaker 1>and most agile, and a very common choice for those

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<v Speaker 1>engaging in piracy, was the Lembo. This had a single

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<v Speaker 1>bank of oars and no sales, and it was considered

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<v Speaker 1>the best of the best of transport ships in the

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<v Speaker 1>ancient world. It said the Illarians packed as many as

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred pirates into the vessel's tight galley, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was fifteen a row and fifty to fight. But probably

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<v Speaker 1>give her take on those number of rowers, that seems

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<v Speaker 1>really high. So the Llarian piracy it worked like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems very piraty. Actually, crews in Lembo Is

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<v Speaker 1>hidden sheltered places along the coast, and they waited for

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<v Speaker 1>merchant ships to comby, and when one did, they would

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<v Speaker 1>row until they were alongside, they'd board, and then they'd

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed the crew and take whatever it was that they wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Very efficient. That's why they need fifty dudes, because they

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<v Speaker 1>got to be fast and shock about it. Merchants who

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<v Speaker 1>were being plundered by these pirate ships asked for help

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<v Speaker 1>from the states on the shores of the Adriatic, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one really had the forces needed to fight these pirates,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this time the Romans really didn't see the

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<v Speaker 1>need to get involved. Because the Illyrians had attacked a

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<v Speaker 1>few merchants and threatened a lot of others. Encouraged by

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<v Speaker 1>their pirate commanding queen, and with no or very few

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<v Speaker 1>repercussions from anyone else, crews increased their intensity of the attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Allarian pirates overtook the city of Finichet, and more than

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<v Speaker 1>once actually, although sometimes the Allarians were forced to withdraw

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<v Speaker 1>their own troops because of an internal rebellion. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen all the time, but in fighting among tribes was

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<v Speaker 1>way more common than you might guess. When not fighting

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<v Speaker 1>among themselves, the Illyrian pirates did attack others. They violently

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<v Speaker 1>defeated a Pirochet forces sent to fortify Finachet. Many were

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<v Speaker 1>killed or captured, and it said that a garrison of

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred men surrendered to Toyota's pirate crews. This was

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<v Speaker 1>an attention grabbing event. So, for example, had this happened

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<v Speaker 1>in a time when media was widespread, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been front page news kind of all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>Their piracy in the Adriatic, which included raiding Roman and

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<v Speaker 1>Greek ships and coastal settlements, finally did catch the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of Rome. It was when Toyota's pirate ships began attacking

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<v Speaker 1>Roman vessels that things started to escalate. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break for a word from a sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we're back, let's talk about why the Roman

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<v Speaker 1>Republic would care at all about Queen Toyota. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to criminalia. Now let's talk about the time when Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota assassinated one or maybe two Roman envoys. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we have to lay the groundwork for what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>At this time, the Roman Republic had just defeated the Carthaginians.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Rome had eyes on controlling the Mediterranean. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>this thriving port and this trading area, the Republic declared

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<v Speaker 1>war in what became known as the First Punic War.

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<v Speaker 1>Olybia's described the Punic Wars. There were three between the

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<v Speaker 1>empires as quote, the longest and most severely contested war

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<v Speaker 1>in history. The Punic Wars were basically two empires battling

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<v Speaker 1>for control of trade in the Mediterranean Sea. And this

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<v Speaker 1>could easily be a whole episode in its own right

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<v Speaker 1>if we were covering international conflicts instead of pirates. That

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<v Speaker 1>victory for the Romans was important because it boosted the

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Republic's influence across the Mediterranean. But there was another

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<v Speaker 1>rival on the rise that could get in their way,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's too so Toota and her assembly of pirates

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<v Speaker 1>had begun to threaten and pillage vessels along trade routes

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<v Speaker 1>that ran across the Adriatic Sea. And Roman vessels were

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<v Speaker 1>pillaged as well. Rome sent two envoys, Gaius and Lucius Corincanius,

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<v Speaker 1>to meet with the queen, and this was to try

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<v Speaker 1>to dissuade her from continuing to pursue and encourage piracy.

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<v Speaker 1>She insisted that she was simply not responsible for the

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<v Speaker 1>actions of Illyrian privateers. Toyota said to have replied, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it was never the custom of royalty to prevent the

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of its subjects that they could get from the sea.

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<v Speaker 1>It is said that when one of the envoys sharply

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<v Speaker 1>disagreed with her on this point, she ordered one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly both of them killed. But here there are

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<v Speaker 1>other accounts that suggest the queen's meeting with the Roman

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<v Speaker 1>envoys went a little bit differently. In one really stand

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<v Speaker 1>out account by a Roman historian, it's written that Toota

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<v Speaker 1>had not yet risen to power when the Roman Senate

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<v Speaker 1>sent in there too ambassadors, and that changes the story

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit if it's true. Regardless of whether Toyota

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<v Speaker 1>had already become the scourge of the Mediterranean or not,

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman Republic was in a really strong position when

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota hit their radar. They had unified Italy, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had recently defeated a significant rival for control over strategic

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<v Speaker 1>positions in the Mediterranean Sea, and they were now the

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<v Speaker 1>largest presence in the Mediterranean, but Toyota refused to submit

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<v Speaker 1>to them. Toyota's power was increasing, and after brutal attacks

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<v Speaker 1>from her pirates on Roman trading vessels, the treatment of

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<v Speaker 1>their envoys, and the fact that they really really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>trade in the Adriatic, the Romans Senate deployed their navy

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<v Speaker 1>against her. And when the Romans attacked, they were fearce

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<v Speaker 1>and methodical, and they tried to parlay that loose association

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<v Speaker 1>of groups that made up the Illyrians into suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>pirates sailing for Toyota had been pressed into it. They

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<v Speaker 1>traveled up the Adriatic coast quote freeing again that is,

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<v Speaker 1>with quotes, freeing these Illyrian crews along the way, and

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<v Speaker 1>each of these boats was told that they were now

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<v Speaker 1>under Roman protection. Again that's air quotes, although Rome didn't

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<v Speaker 1>station any troops in these allegedly newly freed areas, so

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<v Speaker 1>there really was no protection there whatsoever. They also tried

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<v Speaker 1>to convince the Illyrian pirates that the Roman Republic was

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<v Speaker 1>their new and one more time with those air quotes. Friend, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're friends. We're pals. Listening, guys, Friends don't attack friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody be cool. It was around this time that Demetrius Afaris,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the advisor slash military general to Toyota, he

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<v Speaker 1>turned traitor. Seeing that the odds were not good against Rome,

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<v Speaker 1>or just maybe out of fear, he turned his loyalties

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<v Speaker 1>away from the queen and collaborated with the republic instead,

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<v Speaker 1>and he even acted as Rome's counsel in the war

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<v Speaker 1>against Toyota, and that betrayal was decisive in the conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the course of just a few weeks, Rome destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota's kingdom and the unification of Illyrian tribes that King

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<v Speaker 1>Agrin had accomplished was gone. This was the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>what would come to be known as the Illyrian Wars,

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<v Speaker 1>a series of conflicts between Rome and the Illyrians for

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<v Speaker 1>control of trade across the Adriatic Sea. The first battle,

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<v Speaker 1>which is this battle we're talking about, lasted for two years,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the Romans completely overwhelmed the Illyrian garrison at Coursyra,

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<v Speaker 1>Queen Toyotas surrendered. Rome placed a few terms on her surrender,

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<v Speaker 1>including of course abdication of the throne. Many accounts report

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<v Speaker 1>that Toyota was actually given a small region that she

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<v Speaker 1>could rule, but we can't prove that that's not verified

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<v Speaker 1>in any sort of real way. There are, of course

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<v Speaker 1>a few versions of what happened when to surrendered. There's

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<v Speaker 1>one that says she begged the Romans for a truth.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another that says she was fined and forced to

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<v Speaker 1>surrender most of her kingdom to the Republic. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was one thing that seemed to be part of a

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<v Speaker 1>few of these stories, actually that she was forbidden from

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<v Speaker 1>ever again setting sail with more than two ships that

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<v Speaker 1>would be two membos, in particular beyond southern Olaria. This

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<v Speaker 1>one comes up a lot because I think it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense this would keep her personally from engaging in piracy

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<v Speaker 1>and with pirates and with her pirate crews. The final

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<v Speaker 1>one here is actually much different about her surrender, and

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<v Speaker 1>this story in her legend tells that she allegedly threw

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<v Speaker 1>herself off of a cliff rather than surrender to the

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Republic. Perhaps not surprisingly and almost certainly because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the most dramatic, The most popular story of her surrender

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<v Speaker 1>is that one where she throws herself off of the cliff,

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<v Speaker 1>and that piece of her legend remains today as a

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<v Speaker 1>curse on Risin. That's an ancient town in the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>of kod Or, Montenegro. That curse rising is a town

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<v Speaker 1>that too, it had fled to and is now the

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<v Speaker 1>only town in the region without a real seafaring tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lord tells us that before plunging to her death,

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<v Speaker 1>she cursed this town to never be able to build

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<v Speaker 1>a seafaring vessel there, basically saying, if I die here,

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<v Speaker 1>so does this region's relationship with the sea. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that that is the most dramatic and most popular

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<v Speaker 1>story of her death, we don't actually know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>how she died. We don't know at all how her

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<v Speaker 1>life ended, and if she didn't die. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unclear what happened to this pirate queen after there's

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<v Speaker 1>no evidence that would corroborate the jumping off a cliff

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<v Speaker 1>to her death story. Neither has a tomb ever been uncovered,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't know the reason for anyone's cause of

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<v Speaker 1>death in the story. Because of the same reason. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the third century b C. So it's not entirely strange.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we said, given how far back these events

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<v Speaker 1>took place, it's sometimes really hard to know. So when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to Toyota, we don't know if she was

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<v Speaker 1>better or worse or completely different than a historians captured

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<v Speaker 1>and wrote down. And the same is really true of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that we just talked about. History, modern and ancient

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<v Speaker 1>is full of rulers who were powerful women, women who

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<v Speaker 1>might stand up to the Roman Republic, women who are

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<v Speaker 1>still celebrated today, whether they led an army of pirates

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<v Speaker 1>or they did the pirate ing themselves. So Toyota has

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<v Speaker 1>her own sort of folk hero status, even if her

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<v Speaker 1>story can't be verified. Corea, would you like to step

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<v Speaker 1>inside the groggery, I will be right there, okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to think about uh spirit that is associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the Mediterranean. Now, if you look up Albanian spirits,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them are very fruit based. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>cool and it's very um if you'll forgive the accidental

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wordsmanship, they're they're very right for potential experimentation.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is another one where I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>something that might not be what people think they will like,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's surprisingly yummy, so instead I went with another

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<v Speaker 1>Mediterranean spirit. It starts with uzo. Oh my god, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so what are we calling? So I love Uso, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not for everyone because it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>annas and it has that LICORICEI flavor. I love an

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<v Speaker 1>Anna set, I love any of the European liquorice liqueurs

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<v Speaker 1>I'm into. But I thought it would be fun since

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, is most associated with Grease, which was

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<v Speaker 1>an area where she was sailing and potentially, like some

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<v Speaker 1>of her privateers, may have brought her some back, so

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<v Speaker 1>it ties into the whole story. And I also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do something that nods to the Uso citrus in

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<v Speaker 1>the area, which is pretty common both in the cuisine

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<v Speaker 1>and the beverages. So it's essentially a lemonade and uzo

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<v Speaker 1>bas drink. I'm calling it too discurse, but it it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a curse. It's in fact delicious. You made me

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<v Speaker 1>a drink, right. So I discovered in prepping for this

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<v Speaker 1>that if you squirrel around online, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that do kind of a lemonade with uzo,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are variations. Mine is the easy peasy version

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<v Speaker 1>because most of them want you to do like a

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<v Speaker 1>more from the ground up, from scratch kind of lemonade

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<v Speaker 1>base where you use lemon juice and water and you

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<v Speaker 1>add honey or some of their sweetener. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>can just grab lemonade from the store. It's fine, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did that, and I got like a lower

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<v Speaker 1>sugar lemonade because I usually do. It is one ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of uzo, one ounce of vodka. I used a citrus vodka,

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<v Speaker 1>like a grapefruit vodka, and that was yummy. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can also just use your basic, straight clean vodka. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I did about five ounces of lemonade and I

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<v Speaker 1>shook it all together and just poured it over ice.

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<v Speaker 1>You can, you know, garnish that with a piece of citrus,

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<v Speaker 1>or with a little mint sprig if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>just add a nice aromatic to it. Here's what's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have everyone know that. She lenned in and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. I know that not everybody likes licorice

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<v Speaker 1>flavored things. Annis doesn't work for everyone, including my guinea pig.

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<v Speaker 1>I e my beloved husband, but I asked him. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, just try this, though, because something happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you mix the uzo and the lemonade where that licoricey

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<v Speaker 1>flavor gets countered by the citrus in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it not quite what I think most people

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<v Speaker 1>are responding to when they say they don't like annis flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, this is not bad at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that to me is like a resounding the

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<v Speaker 1>endorsement of his drink, because that's about as enthusiastic as

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to get regarding a cocktail with ingredients he's

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious of. Um. So I absolutely loved it. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was so delicious and super yummy, and I see

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<v Speaker 1>why a lot of people have done this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>combo or some variation on it. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do a non alcoholic version, it's very easy you, but

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<v Speaker 1>it does require you to be a little bit careful.

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<v Speaker 1>I used a dropper and I put about three drops

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<v Speaker 1>of Annas extract like that you would get for baking,

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<v Speaker 1>in the base of my glass over some ice, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I poured the lemon the lemonade on top of

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<v Speaker 1>it gave it a good stir. The reason I say

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be very careful is that anytime you're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with an extract, it's so highly concentrated that like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can easily go overboard absolutely, Like you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get a single spoon involved. You literally want drops,

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<v Speaker 1>not even your quarter teaspoon, You want only drops. The

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<v Speaker 1>good news is if you overdo it, you can just

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<v Speaker 1>keep adding lemonade until you get the mix you like.

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<v Speaker 1>You can even dilute with water a little bit. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>since we're kind of in that time, even though this

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<v Speaker 1>has been a blistering lye hot summer and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really feel like we're in autumn yet, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice transition flavor from summer into autumn because that

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<v Speaker 1>liquorice little undercurrent gives it a nice hey, we're heading

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<v Speaker 1>into its or rombust flavors that is Toots curse. I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to drink a lot of these well because

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're interesting. It's an unusual flavor that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>normally getting. I think it's interesting on the palette. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to try. It's very refreshing and it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>as pie to throw together. So like, it's a great

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<v Speaker 1>one to do in a picture form if you're having

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<v Speaker 1>people over who are willing to take that walk with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you are not a liquorice person. The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing I was gonna say is that if people for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason don't have access to usso you can also

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<v Speaker 1>do this with any kind of liquorice. Liquor like, any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ANNA set will work fine. It'll change the

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<v Speaker 1>profile a little bit because they just concentrate a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit differently, but it will still be very yummy. I

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<v Speaker 1>tried it a quick version with an annaset and it

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<v Speaker 1>was also delicious. I'm super excited about this drink. It

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<v Speaker 1>has things in it that I like. Everything in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love listen. I try to take care view when

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<v Speaker 1>I can, you really do. I feel like this drink

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<v Speaker 1>is made for me. So if you try it, we

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you love it. We also hope you've enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>this little chat we've had today and spending time with us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're so grateful that you do. So. We have so

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<v Speaker 1>many more pirates on the horizon, so thank you for

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