1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful wife and mother 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: seemingly goes missing on Mother's Day. You may ask why 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: was she all alone? That's a good question, but what 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: became off Susanne Morphew or at least her body in 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: the last hours a stunning development, Imanancy Grace, this is 6 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. For those of 8 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: you just learning about this Susanne Warphew case, take a 9 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: listen to this. And she went biking on Sunday. They're 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: in the mountains about twenty miles west of Salida, Trevor, 11 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: and and then there was nothing from her. Tell us 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: what you do know, Alan, I'm willing to confirm that 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: the bike was found on Sunday evening. The bike was 14 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: found on Satain Sunday evening, the night that she disappeared, 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: and for more information on the bike for its condition, 16 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: I would encourage you and everyone else to contact the 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: Chaffey County Sheriff's Department. Yeah, it has to be disconcerting 18 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: to know the bike has found. Sheriff has said he 19 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: does not believe that this was an animal and so 20 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: all of Colorado has really ought to be aware that 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: there is a potential, den Trevor, that she might be 22 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: somewhere well out of the county for all we know, 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: which is why we need to make sure that we're 24 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: aware of the situation. The sheriff has repeatedly stated that 25 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew, who goes missing on Mother's Day, was not 26 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: taken by an animal such as a mountain lion. There 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: was no sign she was dragged away, and there was 28 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: no sign of a struggle, and there is no sign 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: of her body. Typically when an animal attacks, the body 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: is not that far away from the crime scene. Not 31 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: the case here, but in the last hours a stunning 32 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: development as we learn what the coworker of Susanne's husband 33 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: has to say about those critical hours when Susanne goes missing. 34 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to put it together 35 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: and break it back down. Kirk Nermy you know his 36 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: name well. He was the defense attorney, lead defense attorney 37 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: and the Jodi Arius murder trial and author of Trapped 38 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: with miss Arius Parts two and three. My final words, 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: I certainly hope not also with me. Renowned psychiatrist doctor 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe ellis psychologist at JO professor, Columbia University. You 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: can find her at Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com. Donald 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Schweitzer another famous name joining us former la detective, criminal 43 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: fence attorney, former prosecutor at Pasadena Lawoffice dot com. Welcome Donald, 44 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: but first to Lauren Sharf, Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs 45 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: Knees reporter on the case from the beginning. Lauren, we 46 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: just heard from our friends at CBS for Denver. But Lauren, 47 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: take a listen to Erica Gonzalez KdV Our, Fox thirty one. 48 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: A coworker Suzanne's husband came forward with this new information 49 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: about the hotel room in Broomfield, Jeff Puckets said, and 50 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: Barrymorephy told him to go to Denver. However, Puckets says 51 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: that he didn't see more for you because he had 52 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: already left due to a family emergency. A Pucket told 53 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail that when he got into the Holiday 54 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Inn on May tenth, the room smelled like chlorine and 55 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: it was scattered with wet towels. He also said that 56 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: he found a pile of mail inside of that room, 57 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: including a letter about property insurance, which he says he 58 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: later turned over to the FBI. A manager at the 59 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: hotel confirmed they do not use chlorine to clean guest 60 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: rooms and have handed security footage over to police. Additionally, 61 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: the hotel told her news partner the pool was also 62 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: closed because of COPD nineteen. Susan Morphu was a protty 63 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: missing back on Mother's Day. Wow, that is a lot 64 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: of information. And having prosecuted felonies including cleanups attempt to 65 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: cleanups of crime scenes for many, many years, chlorine bleach 66 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: or bleach itself cannot break down deox ry bony clayic 67 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: acid DNA, right, it does not get rid of evidence 68 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: the way it's portrayed to, for instance on TV movies. So, 69 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: first to you, Lauren Sharft, Fox twenty one Colorado Springs 70 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: News reporter on the case. From the get go, Lauren, 71 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: A lot happening now. Who is this coworker of Susan 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Susanne Morphue's husband, who is he? So, Nancy, Jeffrey Tucket 73 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: is a contractor for Barry, And this is the only 74 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: job that Barry had hired Jeffrey Pucket for And it 75 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: was just he asked him the day before Mother's Day 76 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: to help him with this job. And even Jeffrey Buckett 77 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: called him to make sure he still needed him to 78 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: come Sunday around noon. Is when he called him on Sunday. 79 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: And stop, stop, I've got to digest what you're you're 80 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: just telling me because I've learned. Have you not learned this? 81 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: Donald Schweitzer, former detective, former prosecutor, now defense attorney, High 82 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: profile LA detective and now defense attorney Donald Schweitzer, Every 83 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: fact matters. And what I'm just hearing Laurence Sharf say 84 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: from Fox twenty one Colorado is that Suzanne Morpheu's husband 85 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: calls a contractor he doesn't know, has never worked with 86 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: him before. Okay, that's what I mean, hasn't worked with 87 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: him before on a Saturday and asks him to travel 88 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: to Denver the following day, which is Mother's Day, to 89 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: help him on a job. You don't see a problem 90 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: with that, Schwitzer. I see it as a significant piece 91 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: of the puzzle. Nancy. I think that there's a you know, 92 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: as a detective, what you're going to do is is 93 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: look at all the things that don't make sense and 94 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: then start looking at you know, if a work true, 95 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, what would the answers be. You know, for example, 96 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: you know is he using uh, you know, chlorine as 97 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: a landscaper to build a wall. You know you would 98 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: go out there and ask people, you know, those common 99 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: sense questions. Schreier. Look, you're a great trial lawyer, there's 100 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. You're a great detective. But why 101 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: would it be using chlorine for a work scene in 102 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: his hotel room? And again, the husband is not a suspect. 103 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: He has not even been named a person of interest. 104 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: Although practically speaking, cops always whenever a woman goes missing 105 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: or is killed, you look at the husband, the ex husband, 106 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the ex lover, the stalker, the admirer, because 107 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: statistically that is where you will find the purp. That 108 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: doesn't mean mary more for you is the perp or 109 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: that there is a purp. Let's just be clear. But 110 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: based on this new evidence, back to you, Donald Schweitzer. 111 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: So you say, maybe he's using chlorine at the work site, 112 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: but this is his hotel room. Yeah, but you know 113 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: he's at the hotel room because he's supposedly working, you know, 114 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: out there. I mean, that's why he's not at home 115 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. But you know you asked the question 116 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: about you know, why is he contacting people he doesn't know. 117 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Did you work on the weekend? Those are the type 118 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: of facts that you lead you to start at least 119 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: looking at in a direction. In the direction of course, 120 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: is at Mary. Why is he not there on Mother's Day? 121 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Why is he contacting people that he doesn't really know 122 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: to help do some work and remotely, you know? And 123 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense, And it would be something 124 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 1: I would certainly keep in the back of my pocket 125 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: as I was investigating this case. And again, Donald Schweitzer, 126 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: we know more if he has not been named a suspect. 127 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: But in order to find the real purp, you have 128 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: to get past the husband first. I hear Lauren Sharf 129 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: jumping in Fox twenty one. Go ahead, Lauren, I was 130 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: just gonna say that Jeffrey Puckett and Barry knew each 131 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: other from another company, But this is the first time 132 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: that he had asked him to do a job for her. 133 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: So am I correct in the sense as I stated 134 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: they had never worked together. He had never called on 135 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: him for a job before. Is that correct, Lauren? Nancy? 136 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: I would say that they have worked together on a 137 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: different project for a different company, but never have they 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: worked He has never worked for Barry. Okay, if that 139 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yes, I believe we've nailed that down fairly well. Lauren. 140 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: So let me understand. You call a guy on Saturday 141 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: asking him to go out of town on Mother's Day, 142 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Lauren shar Fox twenty one, Colorado. So the job did 143 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: not start a hill Monday, Yes, okay, So why would 144 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: you have to leave the day before? So when I 145 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: spoke with Barry, you know, he told me that he 146 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: wanted to get out there to make sure that the 147 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: site was ready and pressed before his guys got off 148 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: got out there. So this Jeffrey Puckett, he gets out 149 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: there Sunday evening and um, you know, he gets into 150 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: the hotel room that Barry had gotten for him, you know, 151 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: and it just he study it reeks of chlorine and 152 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: he never saw Barry clime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 153 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: we are talking about the disappearance of Suzanne Morphew and 154 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: in the last hours stunning developments from the husband's co worker. 155 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: And when I say coworker, I mean that this guy, 156 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: Jeffrey PuF was called that Saturday before Suzanne goes missing 157 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day and asked to go out of town 158 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: on mother's day to work a job with the husband, 159 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Barry Moore. Few he had never asked Pucket to work 160 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: for him on a job before, although they knew each 161 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: other from a previous work site. So Lauren Sharf back 162 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: to the worksite before I get to the chlorine, let's 163 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: finish discussing what we learned about the work site. When 164 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: jeff Pucket got to the work site, I assume he 165 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: went to go look at the work site. Was there 166 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: any equipment there? That's a good question, And I asked 167 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: that same question to the contractor, Jeffrey Puckett. He said, 168 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, as far as machinery wise, there was nothing. 169 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: You know. He also talked about how there wasn't really 170 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: dirt to do the job as well, and so because 171 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: there wasn't the equipment the tools that he needed to 172 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: do the job, he got upset and he decided, you know, 173 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: what the heck, I'm just gonna leave. So he left 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Okay, let me understand something. What was the job? 175 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: What was Puckett supposed to be doing there? So they 176 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: were fixing a wall in Broomfield that I guess his 177 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: guys buries guys from previously a year ago messed up 178 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: and it wasn't straight. So they had to fix the 179 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: retaining wall to like an interstate. Oh my, that's a 180 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: big job. Oh oh oh gosh. Okay, So Kurt Nermi, 181 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: this is the defense attorney for Jody Arius and author 182 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: Kurt Nermi. Right there. Have you ever driven along the interstate? 183 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: For Pete's sakere in California? I mean, you're always on 184 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: the interstate when you are doing work on a retainer 185 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: wall at the interstate that calls for a lot of 186 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: dirt and a lot of equipment, and it will sit 187 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: over there and you drive past it for weeks and 188 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: then suddenly one day it's gone. What do you make 189 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: of this. There's no equipment, there's no dirt, Nancy. It 190 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: goes to what Donald said before. You know, something's not 191 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: making sense, not adding up. And we look at this 192 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: case overall, we start thinking about the prospects of their 193 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: being different perspective crime scenes. Right, we have the hotel room, 194 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: we have this construction site, and remember, Nancy, at this 195 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: construction site, a woman was awoken, you know, in the 196 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: late night on that weekend with some construction noise near 197 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: this area. There would be an unusual timing, and we 198 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: also have, of course, the area where the bike was tossed. 199 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: So these are the areas that investigators are going to 200 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: look at it. And it's certainly suspicious, especially when we 201 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: think about this woman being woken up in the middle 202 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: of the night with construction noise. Now, as my understanding, 203 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: Laurence Sharff, the woman up woken up in the middle 204 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: of the night by Morphe's construction equipment is at a 205 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: different location than where Jeff Puckett was called to in Denver. 206 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes, ma'am, that's in slide Up, which 207 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: I've only like fifteen minutes from the Morphe House. Got it. 208 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Pucket getting called by 209 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: Morphe's husband to an out of town job site. When 210 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: he gets to the job site, there's no crew, there's 211 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: no dirt, there's no equipment, and I take it there's 212 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: no supplies, correct, there's two other workers. But yes, yeah, 213 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: who were the two other workers? It was a genterleman 214 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: named Cassidy and a woman named Morgan. I mean, why 215 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: were they there? What were they supposed to be doing? 216 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: Did morph you call them too? That's a good question. 217 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: I am waiting to talk to them because I'm curious. 218 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: They were there too, but there was nothing for them 219 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, what was Pucket's role. Was he 220 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: supposed to just go analyze it and assess what needed 221 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: to be done, or was he supposed to actually do 222 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: something without any equipment? I mean, he was so frustrated, 223 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: you know what the situation was he I mean, he 224 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: was really upset that he couldn't do what he was 225 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: supposed to do because he didn't have equipment to do it. Interesting, 226 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: So he calls Donald Schweitzer. He calls this guy out 227 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: of town on Mother's Day. The guy gets there, I assume, 228 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: leaving his family, spends the night, waits two days, morph 229 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: you never shows up. There's no equipment, and there's no dirt. 230 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Nancy? I think that 231 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Pucket's reaction is key to everything. If I was encountered 232 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: by that type of reaction, I'd want to find out, 233 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, normally when he goes to jobs like that, 234 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: does this ever happen? How often has this ever happened? 235 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: Where he shows up, you know, from a call from 236 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: somebody like Barry and there's nothing to do. I mean, 237 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: it's a significant piece of evidence. I think you know, 238 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Donald, And you know how this 239 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: is going to be spun out. It's going to be 240 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: argued by somebody somewhere that more fore, you set all 241 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: this up to create some sort of an alibi, a 242 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: construction site alibi. See where I'm going with a Schweizer. Yeah, yeah, 243 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: And you wouldn't be crazy for arguing that. So how 244 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: could this be spun into an argument? Kurtn Army? An 245 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: argument for what Nancy his alibi? Yes, you know it's 246 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: as disjointed as it is. He's going to sit there 247 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: and try to claim he was somewhere else. He has 248 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: tried to set himself up. And actually the prosecution will 249 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: probably do this just as well as he did his 250 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: efforts to try to set up these alibis. The state's 251 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: gonna argue as evidence of his guilt, And the defense 252 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: attorney is going to sit there and say these alibis 253 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: are legit. The fact that these guys are upset with 254 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: my work, it's just all all their angst and I'm 255 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: completely this is what you're right, You're onto it. This 256 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: is what the defense would argue if this were a trial, 257 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: The defense would say it is a legitimate job. Morphu 258 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: had to leave because his wife went missing. That's why 259 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't there. He just simply didn't have the dirt 260 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: or the equipment. Yet that's all that there was. This 261 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: is not a fake alibi. But when jeff Pucket gets there, 262 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, there's nobody there. Why was Pucket? They as 263 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying, coworker, Why is puckett ian morphuge room? Why 264 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: did he go in morphuge room? Yeah, so Jeffrey Puckett 265 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: told me that Barry got this room for him, and 266 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: when he goes into the hotel room, he instantly smells, 267 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, chlorine. And he also the next night, the 268 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: next morning, excuse me, he says he saw a piece 269 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: of mail in the trash and wanted to know like 270 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: what it was, and it was addressed to Bear and 271 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: it had something to do with property insurance. And you know, 272 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: he also saw the towels on the ground, and he 273 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: told me that it really looks like, you know, Barry 274 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: had came in there, showered, uh, you know, laid on 275 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: the bed for a few minutes or whatever, and then 276 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: just left washed up and then just left. So let 277 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: me understand this, Laurence Sharp, This is a room that 278 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: barrymore Few gets for the co worker Jeff Pucket, not 279 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: for himself. And then Puckett gets there and the room 280 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: has wet towels all over everything, and it reeks of chlorine. 281 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: Somebody's been on the bed, and there's a more Few 282 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: letter of the trash. Can are you sure that Jeff 283 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Puckett said this room was for him? Jeff Pucket, Yeah, 284 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: he told me that there was even his name on 285 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: the door. Well, did barrymoreph you ever have a room 286 00:17:52,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: of his own? Not that I'm I know of crime 287 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, guys, we are talking about 288 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: the unusual disappearance of a mom, a wife, Susanne Maurphew. 289 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: She goes missing on Mother's Day, which to me is important. 290 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: A lot of people may not think it's important, but 291 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: I guarantee women on the jury will think it's important. 292 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: She's all alone on Mother's Day. Her husband is in Denver. 293 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: I think that's about one hundred and eighty miles away 294 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: from where they are near Salida. And now, from what 295 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: we understand, the husband believes his wife was taken by 296 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: animals off a bike route. But what we are learning 297 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: in the last hours from a co worker, Barry Morphy's 298 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: just very unusual. Let's hear Cut twenty seven plays Erica Gonzalez, 299 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: KdV or Fox thirty one. A co worker, Suzanne's husband 300 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: came forward with this new information about the hotel room 301 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: in Broomfield. Jeff Pucket said, and barrymoreph you told him 302 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: to go to Denver. However, Pucket says that he didn't 303 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: see moreph you because he had already left due to 304 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: a family emergency. A Pucket told The Daily Mail that 305 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: when he got into the Holiday Inn on May tenth, 306 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: the room smelled like chlorine and it was scattered with 307 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: wet towels. He also said that he found a pile 308 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: of mail inside of that room, including a letter about 309 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: property insurance, which he says he later turned over to 310 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: the FBI. A manager at the hotel confirmed they do 311 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: not use chlorine to clean guest rooms and have handed 312 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: security footage over to police. Additionally, the hotel told her 313 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: news partner the pool was also closed because of COPD nineteen. 314 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: So Zen Morphy was a pretty missing back on Mother's Day. 315 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: Interesting the pool was closed at the rim rate of chlorine. 316 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people believed that he cleaned 317 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: a crime scene with chlorine or chlorine bleache. You can't. 318 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: I just had another thought, Lauren Sharf, And I'm gonna 319 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: circle back to you, doctor be Joffe Ellis Laurence Sharf 320 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: joining me Fox Tream One Colorado on the case from 321 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the get go. Let me understand something so the co 322 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: worker gets there. When on Sunday Mother's Day it was 323 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: Sunday evening? He said it was after six o'clock. Do 324 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: you think it was before seven? Um? That's what he 325 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: didn't nail down at the exact time. He just really 326 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of just meet it general as far as Sunday 327 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: even Okay, So what I'm learning is barrymoreph You never 328 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: had a room for himself. Is that right that we 329 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: know of? Yeah? Huh. So what was he going to 330 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: sleep in the bed with Pucket? I hope it was 331 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: a double bed. That's some kind of work travel accommodations 332 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: I want to walk into. So, okay, you're telling me 333 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: that Moreph you there's no evidence Moreph you had his 334 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: own room, but that he had been using pucket room. 335 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: Now the timing is really important. I'll tell you why, 336 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, Because when was it everybody started realizing that 337 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: Suzanne was gone. So the nine one one this patch 338 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: called to chief the County Sheriff's office was just before 339 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: six pm. And who made the call of the neighbor? 340 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: That was what the original first press release said that, yes, 341 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: a neighbor did call when Puckett gets there at sometimes 342 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: after six, and the night one one call wasn't made 343 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: until around six. How did Morphew know there was a 344 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: family emergency, Lauren Sharf? Good question, Nancy, Can you just 345 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: very quickly run through the timeline with me, because maybe 346 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: I've got my wires crossed. But if she wasn't reported 347 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: missing until around six and Puckett gets there to eight 348 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: Morphew around six Morphew was already gone because of a 349 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: family emergency, how did he know there was a family 350 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: emergency to leave for Laurence Sharf, go go through the 351 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: timeline with me real quick. Yeah. So it sounds like 352 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Barry and his daughters worked, you know, wondering trying to 353 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: get a hold of Susanne Morphew, and they couldn't. They 354 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: tried texting, they tried calling, couldn't get through it to 355 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew. And so that's when they, you know, sounded 356 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: the alarms and wanted to get a neighbor to go 357 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: check out, you know, the house to see if she 358 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: was around. The neighbors supposedly went out there, couldn't find 359 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: Susanne and the home looked at that there was two 360 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: vehicles in the garage and there was a missing bike, 361 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: and that's when the whole um, you know, this patch 362 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: call was made. Now you know, I may have this 363 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: bass Ackwards. Did Barry Morphew go to Denver on Saturday night? 364 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: He told me that. He He told me that he 365 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: woke up around five am and left and went to 366 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: Denver area to do this job. Prep Barry Morphy, Barrymorephy, Barrymoreph, 367 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: you told me this. Yeah, so he was at home 368 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: on Saturday night, That's what he told me. Okay, so 369 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't leave until Sunday morning around five am. The 370 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: timing of this is very very unusual. I don't see 371 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: how it works. What about you, kirk Nermy? How does 372 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: the timing work? If she wasn't reported missing until six 373 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: pm and the coworker gets to Denver around six pm 374 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: or after six pm, how is he already gone? How 375 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: did he know she was missing. I think we're going 376 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: to have to and investigators are probably looking at the 377 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: cell phone records, the data, the calls, because we're going 378 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: to need to answer your questions. We're going to need 379 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: to have some more precision on the exact minutes. It 380 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: can just be around this time around that You're right, 381 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: they're going to take a look at this piffics of 382 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: it to say, Okay, this is when he reacted, this 383 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: is when he left, and to you psychologists joining me, 384 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis Adjunct Professor, Columbia, Doctor Debbie, And 385 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: it may be a matter as innocent as the daughters 386 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: calling dad on a cell going we can't find mom 387 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: and he jumps in his truck and takes off, leaving 388 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: them to make sure nine on one is called. Doesn't 389 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: necessarily make sense to me that he didn't call nine 390 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: one one, but it may have happened that way. Yes, 391 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: A very well may. As you mentioned, I'm a psychologist, 392 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm not a detective, but so far listening, I haven't 393 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: myself heard evidence that's really suspicious. The business with the chloring. 394 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: You know, some people are very obsessive since COVID and 395 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: before and he may have mistakenly or not thought that 396 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: if he was even going to spend a little bit 397 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: of time in the room, using the shower, lying on 398 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: the bed. Maybe here and again I'm totally speculating I 399 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: wanted to thoroughly clean the room in that way. And 400 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: in terms of not being around for Mother's Day or 401 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: taking on a job for Mother's Day, it would be 402 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: really useful, I think to find out whether in the 403 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: past it was important for him to be with his 404 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: family on occasions, if there was a job opportunity, was 405 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: earning money more important than celebrating occasions. So I think 406 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: these are important questions as a lay person, not a detective, 407 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: that I would want to know the answers to. You 408 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: know what you brought up a really good point, doctor Debby. 409 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to nail be any more for you. 410 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: In fact, I hope he has nothing to do with this. 411 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what happened to Suzanne, and 412 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: whenever I see something it seems unusual or an inconsistency, 413 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: I want to investigate it. I always think of Mark Class. 414 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all familiar with him. They found out 415 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: of class kids. His daughter Polly went missing from her 416 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: own home at a sleepover with her and her little girlfriends. 417 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: The first thing the cops did was beat down his door. 418 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: He and his wife were divorced at the time. Because 419 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: the first place you look is the DAP, right, he 420 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: immediately said, take my DNA, take my fingerprints. I've been here. 421 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you want. You have to clear the 422 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: immediate family before you can find the real purp. So 423 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: this is SOOP standard operating procedure crime stories. With Nancy Grace, 424 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: we are heading straight back into our investigation in the 425 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: disappearance of Susanne more Few. Take a listen to our 426 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: is it KdV our Fox thirty one. What happened to 427 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: Susanne more Few? It's a question still being asked. Nearly 428 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: four months after the mother vanished, she could light up 429 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: a room with her smile, Just a beautiful human being. 430 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: The forty nine year old reportedly left her Chaffee County 431 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: home to enjoy a bike ride. She never returned. Susanne 432 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: would never leave her home or her daughters. There's just 433 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: no way. Susanne's older brother, Andrew Morman, suspects foul play. 434 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: He spoke to our affiliate in Indiana during a vigil 435 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: for Susanne on Saturday. He used the event to drum 436 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: up support to find her. The investigators have asked us 437 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: to stay reasonably quiet, and we have. I'm past that point. Now. 438 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: It's time to get this out in the media and 439 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: get some volunteers together and march on Salida, Colorado and 440 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: find my little sister. Andrew has already been to the 441 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: Salida area, showing up the day after Susanne was reported missing. 442 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: I woke up that morning, I looked out the window 443 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: of the place I was staying and I just cried 444 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: because the mountains were so big and it was like 445 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: looking Bernedo in a haystack. That's gotta be overwhelming when 446 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: you were looking for one person in rugged train of 447 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: that nature. Guys, I want you to take a listen 448 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: to our friends at Thoughts twenty one right now. The 449 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: reasons he's been silent in the days and months following 450 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: Suzanne's disappearance is senior pointing. I don't know why the 451 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: husband doesn't speak out right. Any info is good info 452 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: if you're trying to find out what happened to the 453 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: mother of your children, and the unfair perception that he's 454 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: done something wrong. Juliet Fitzgibbons, an avid biker, found herself 455 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: riding in the same area where Suzanne's bike was allegedly recovered, 456 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: and I actually missed singing the ribbon. I wish there 457 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: was a bigger kind of memorial for her hair. Others. 458 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: Someone had knocked on the window and it was Verry 459 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: more fuse questioning his search method. He witched right down 460 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: like a description of maybe what she was wearing. Tiffany Buala, 461 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: a manager at ponchamr It, says Barry came to the 462 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: store on May twelfth with a brief note. Really thought 463 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: it was weird because he didn't explain whe her color, 464 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: her eyes were, her hair, or anything about her, you know, 465 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: like how Tashi was or anything. At that time, Barry 466 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: had not spoken publicly at all. You know. I'm trying 467 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: to make sense of everything. To our friend Lauren Sharf 468 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: joining us Fox twenty one Colorado Springs, Lauren, what is 469 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew doing now? He says, quote, I have people, 470 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: a private people working for him on the disappearance of 471 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: his wife Suzanne. What do you know about that? I mean, 472 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: I tried to talk to Barry yesterday, and you know, 473 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: I've been wondering the same thing. He did tell me 474 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: a week or so ago when I did speak with 475 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: him on the phone, that he says he's, you know, 476 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: searching for her every single day. And I was searching 477 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: for him yesterday to try to talk with him, and 478 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't find him until last night. So as far 479 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: as him searching, that's what I wanted to ask him. 480 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to know, you know, this upcoming large search 481 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: that you know, his brother in law's planning. I wanted 482 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: to know if he was going to participate in. And 483 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: I didn't get that answer. And Ampy, well, I know this. 484 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of him right now of 485 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: him grilling out at his home with barbecue sauce and 486 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: a jar of Jeff peanut butter outdoors grilling, So I 487 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: think he's at his house. So is he leading searches? 488 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: Not that I know of. Interesting. I want you to 489 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: take a listen to Barry Morphy talking to Tyson Draper, 490 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: the Draper Brothers on YouTube. Listen what seems to have 491 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: happened from the investigators, And they don't get much And 492 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: I've got private people working for me. Is Lady she 493 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: was abductive regular and they found an article going west 494 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: of heirs. They won't tell us what it is, so 495 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: they sent another team after they found the article that 496 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: covered this hillside all the way down to the river. 497 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: Pretty good. My concerns were this way and that way 498 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: if it was the cat, because the cat's late, drag 499 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: your prey up the mountain and out of peoples. We 500 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: can't find signed for the cabin, but we got rained 501 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: right away, washed away signed. I'm taking a listen to 502 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: mister morph you speaking with Tyson and Draper on the 503 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: Draper Brothers YouTube channel. Laurence Sharp, where is the hotel 504 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: that he rented for his coworker, jeff Pucket? It's a 505 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: holiday and where is it? It's in Broomfield, Colorado, which 506 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: is just an outside of Denver. It takes about three 507 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: hours from Chaffey County to get there. Okay, So he 508 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: left that morning around five am and then he leaves 509 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: around six pm for a quote family emergency. You say 510 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: this room was written specifically for Jeffrey Pucket to come 511 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: work on a job site where there was no equipment 512 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: and no dirt, but that when Puckett gets there, could 513 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: you describe the state of the room again, plays Lauren Sharf. Yeah, 514 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: he said that it smells like chlorine, very strong, and he, 515 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, he thought maybe Barry had gone to the pool, 516 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: but the pool had been closed. He saw that there 517 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: was wet towels on the ground, it looked like the 518 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: shower had been used, that the bed had been laid in, 519 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: and he also found the next morning a piece of 520 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: mail that I was addressed to Barry that had something 521 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: to do with property insurance. Now again, none of this 522 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: means barrymoreph you as a suspect or even a person 523 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: of interest. Again to you, Donald Schweitzer, former attactive, former prosecutor, 524 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: now defense attorney, Why is it we always go through 525 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: and vet boyfriend, lover, ex husband, husband, guy that's got 526 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: a crush, secret admirer. Why do we always look at 527 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: them first? Donald and Anthony, you said it at the 528 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: beginning of the show that statistically, this is where it 529 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: most likely happens that it's somebody that's intimately involved with 530 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: the missing person that is responsible for these types of things. 531 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you just briefly about this 532 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: hotel thing. Okay, you know, why in the world is 533 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: he taking a shower in somebody else's room, unless you know, 534 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: he's being smart. He's saying, look, I'm not going to 535 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: lead the authorities in my own room, you know. And 536 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: why is he even taking a shower? You know, he'd 537 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: been gone a few hours, but there's no evidence that 538 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: he did any work. So he's taking the shower and 539 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: some other guy's room, and then he leaves behind what 540 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: it looked like chaos to me. You know, he's probably 541 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: extremely nervous. I mean, if he did this, Okay, I 542 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: understand that he's not a person of interest, but if 543 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: he is the person that did this, it looks like 544 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: there was a panic. You know, he's leaving things behind it. 545 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: Normally you would clean up that for yourself. On the 546 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: other hand, it could be argued Kirknrmy that he went 547 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: for a jog or he exercised. The pool was closed, 548 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: so those wet towels did not come from the pool. 549 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: But if he had gone there, jogged or worked out, 550 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: gone to the construction site, got sweat, he came back 551 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: to kashower, then got in these his wife's missing, he 552 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: throws down the towel and leaves bam. That could be 553 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: the argument that certainly would be the argument. And again 554 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: it's a matter of setting up all these circumstances. I 555 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: wasn't around, I was doing these other things, and I 556 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: reacted appropriately once I found out my wife was missing, 557 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: once I got a call from my kids, you know. 558 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffey ellis psychologist, Professor, Columbia. It's often argued 559 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: by defense attorneys that there is no playbook or a 560 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: script for anxiety or grief, and that is true. People 561 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: don't always act the way you think they should act, 562 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: and very often it means nothing. I totally agree. I 563 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: tend to avoid using the word normal when it comes 564 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: to referring to any sort of emotional experience or behavior. 565 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: And some people again could be compulsive. That explains certain 566 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: actions and chemicals they use. Some people could be messy, 567 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: that's why they leave cows on the floor. So in 568 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: my view and observation work over the years, there's no normal. 569 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: It's informative to look at regular patterns and it's they're 570 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: changed and what might influence the change. But normal, for me, 571 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: that means little guys we are waiting to uncover. Who 572 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: is the private eye or detective farm. It is more 573 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: for you is using and we wait as justice unfolds, 574 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: and again let me reiterate Moreph, you not a suspect, 575 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: but we still want to find Suzanne Nancy Grace Crime Story, 576 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,