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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're still making podcasts. We're older, we're wiser, We're even

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Speaker 2: Since twenty sixteen, we've been making Loca to Our Radio

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Speaker 1: From our Lips to your ears, Fall in love with

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Season nine. Love that first Listen.

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Speaker 1: Ola la Loka Morees. Welcome to Season nine of lok

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Speaker 1: at Dora Radio. I'm Theosa and I'm Mala. Lok A

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Speaker 1: Dora Radio is a podcast dedicated to archiving our present

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Speaker 1: and shifting the culture forward. You're tuning into Capitolo Doos

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Speaker 2: Last time on locatora Radio. We answered listener questions during

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Speaker 2: our Oya Loka segment. You guys submitted some really really

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Speaker 2: good questions. It was a very fun episode. We laughed,

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Speaker 2: we cried, we told stories the whole thing. There were

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Speaker 2: literal tears, literal tears in the studios.

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Speaker 1: All right, Next question, what made you finally prioritize yourself?

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Speaker 1: Was it a breaking point with people?

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Speaker 2: Have we prioritized ourselves?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think you are too. I think I

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Speaker 1: think you moving was a way of you like prioritizing

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Speaker 2: Like, so go ahead and tune into that. Capitula leave

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Speaker 2: us a review, and today we have a very special

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Speaker 1: Benni Leira Meires is an award winning investigative journalist and author.

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Speaker 1: She serves as co CEO and executive director of Futuro Media,

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Speaker 1: leading news and investigations Latino USA and Futuro Investigates. She

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Speaker 1: is also the host of a new podcast called Chess

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Speaker 1: Piece the Elian Gonzalez Story. This show that recently launched

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Speaker 1: on our network in collaboration with Futuro Studios, launched last

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Speaker 1: month and highlights Elian's journey from Gouba and being found

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Speaker 2: This is an incredible interview. If you don't remember the

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Speaker 2: Elian Gonzalez story, this is a really good intro not

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Speaker 2: only to what happened to Elian Gonzalez when he was

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Speaker 2: a conversation about family separation, about immigration, about the Cuban

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Speaker 1: Let's get started by if you can just introduce yourself,

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Speaker 3: Well, my name is Penny Letter Medz and the reason

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Speaker 3: I have been working mostly on investigative reporting all my career,

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Speaker 1: Amazing. We are so grateful that you can join us today,

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Speaker 3: ground are informed on. For example, a narrative that is

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Speaker 3: really prevalent these days that Kamala is Kamala Harris is

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Speaker 3: to turn the US into Venezuela. So a lot of

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Speaker 3: what's happening today in US politics, really related to Cubans

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Speaker 3: past of you know, the fear of communism, the fear

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Speaker 3: the same of the reasons why we left the country.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of the boat right now is informed

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Speaker 3: by the fears. A lot of the vote it's informed

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Speaker 3: by the kind of things that they will wanted to see.

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean that all Cubans are voting Republican,

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Speaker 3: but that's what we have been hearing from all reputting

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Speaker 3: for those who have said that they are voting Republican,

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Speaker 3: but the ones that are voting or saying that they're

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Speaker 3: going to vote Democrat, I think they expect to see

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Speaker 3: something that we kind of saw during the Obama administration

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Speaker 3: that was like getting another approach to the Cuban US

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Speaker 3: relations with trying to relate to the Cuban government, or

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Speaker 3: approach the Uran Cuban government government, or try to alleviate

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Speaker 3: the big economical struggles that Cubans in Cuba are dealing

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Speaker 3: with these days, and specifically about something that's been in

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Speaker 3: place for decades now, which is the US sanctions in

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Speaker 3: Cuba that have been a key part to explain, you know,

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Speaker 3: the you know, what's been happening with the economy of

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Speaker 3: Cuba for all these decades. So I think it is

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Speaker 3: important to talk about Ilian today because Elian happened in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine and two thousand, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that we have interviewed with this podcast think that

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Speaker 3: the Liang case defined the US election in two thousand because,

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Speaker 3: as you might remember, that election was defined by the

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Speaker 3: vote of Florida, and there was something that happened that

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Speaker 3: it was called Elboto Castillo, So the punishment vote for

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Speaker 3: those Cubans, some of them tend to be republic tend

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Speaker 3: to be Democrats before the Elian case, but then they

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Speaker 3: moved republican. We found even some people saying that they

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Speaker 3: remembered people saying, remember Elian vote Republican. So in some

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Speaker 3: parts of the Cuban American community you still can hear

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Speaker 3: that Elian represented a switch for those who were Democrats

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Speaker 3: and started voting Republican, that that's a switch that is

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Speaker 3: maintained even today, and also that as far as twenty

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Speaker 3: five years have passed. Elian also explains partly that part

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Speaker 3: of the Cuban population that is willing to vote for

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Speaker 3: Trump again this election year.

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Speaker 1: Wow, there's so much there and how wild that it's

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Speaker 1: also an electioneer again, and that the story is I'm

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Speaker 1: sure intentionally timed in that way, but that's just so

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Speaker 1: wild because there are these cases that can really sway

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Speaker 1: a voter to go one way or the other. So

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Elian's story, the podcast

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Speaker 1: and what you hope listeners will walk away with after

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Speaker 1: listening to this new series.

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Speaker 3: Well, I hope they understand better the Cuban experience. I

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Speaker 3: think that is a good thing of this podcast is

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Speaker 3: that it's a really nuanced podcast that explains that not

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Speaker 3: everything is black and white. That you know that even

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Speaker 3: if you thought that the Elian should remain in the

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Speaker 3: US or should go back to Cuba, I think that you,

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Speaker 3: as a listener will get a good sense of why

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Speaker 3: people were thinking one way or the other way, where

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Speaker 3: why people were so passionate about this case, why people

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Speaker 3: like as I said, like why random people will go

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Speaker 3: and pray outside of the Miami House of Alien's Relatives,

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Speaker 3: why people in Cuba were going to be we're out protesting,

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Speaker 3: like thousands of people protest insane bringing lean back, But

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Speaker 3: also why this case is not unique. So I hope

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Speaker 3: that you can relate to your own experience, if you

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Speaker 3: have an experience of immigration in your own family, and

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Speaker 3: if you don't, that you can understand better the overall

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Speaker 3: experience of how difficult family separation it is, how difficult it

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Speaker 3: was back in the day, and how difficult it is

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Speaker 3: still today, and you get a sense of what's happening

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Speaker 3: right now. I think it is one of those cases

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Speaker 3: that you really understand the present by looking at the past.

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Speaker 3: And I hope that they feel some of my emotions

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Speaker 3: as well, because it's been quite a challenge to explain

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Speaker 3: how something that was, you know, a high political case

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Speaker 3: impacted that life of someone like me that now I'm

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Speaker 3: a journalist, but back then I was just a girl,

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Speaker 3: you know, missing my dad, and how you can get

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Speaker 3: a sense that journalism also works in that sense, also

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Speaker 3: helps you to understand that behind every political, big story

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Speaker 3: there is the lives of someone and the experiences and

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Speaker 3: emotions of a family that could be your family one day.

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Speaker 3: So I hope that the listeners get the sense of

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Speaker 3: how much we put our heart into this story, but

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Speaker 3: also how much you can learn about what happened and

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Speaker 3: what's happening today.

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Speaker 2: Penny Lay, thank you so much for coming on look

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Speaker 2: At Radio and talking about your work and the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Can you let our listeners know where they can tune

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Speaker 2: in to Chess Peace, the Eli and Gonzalez story.

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Speaker 3: Yes. So, Chess Peace is a production of Futura Studios,

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Speaker 3: so you can listen to it in the Futura Studio's website,

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Speaker 3: but it is in partnership with Iheartsmichael Tuda podcast network,

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Speaker 3: so that's through Michael Tura you can also access You

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Speaker 3: can listen to the new episodes every Wednesday, and we

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Speaker 3: have a total of ten episodes and you can listen

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Speaker 3: to it wherever you get your podcast, and you can

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Speaker 3: follow us. We have been posting a lot about and

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear from listeners. You know how

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Speaker 3: you relate to this story, what kind of emotions the

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Speaker 3: story is bringing to you, And I hope you'll listen,

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Speaker 3: and I hope you followed along with us in on

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Speaker 3: this journey because the intention is that we are going

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Speaker 3: to be ending the season with the anniversary, the actual

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Speaker 3: anniversary of the moment when Elian was found at See

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Speaker 3: and Thanksgiving of nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Pennile, this has been incredible. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for sharing your story and all the work that

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Speaker 1: goes into making an exceptional podcast. So thank you. Look

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Speaker 1: at Our Radio is executive produced by Yosa Fam and

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Speaker 1: Mala Munios.

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Speaker 1: Story editing by me viosa.

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