WEBVTT - MonoNeon 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:13.160 Quest Loft Show is a production of iHeart Radio. All right, 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.919 I promise you people that I haven't traded drumming in 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:18.520 for base. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.600 But what a couinkydink. Here we are yet again on the. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:28.240 Quest Love Show, highlighting yet another ass kicking basis. Maybe 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.320 I'm looking for collaborating. This is like the audition process, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:38.040 But this isn't any average run the meal influencer slash 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.280 bass players we're talking to, you know, making trying to 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.319 make ripples on the internet. Flee himself has declared our 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:50.680 guest today air quote the greatest fucking electric bass player, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.520 and I'm inclined to agree. For my own band has 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.960 covered his tunes from his his many records or his 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.360 many viral videos that you've seen on social media because 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:10.000 they are irresistible, ear candy and funky as hell. You know, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.360 the list is extensive. Of course, Prince knows what's up. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:18.160 Mac Miller knows what's up. David Staples, George Clinton, Cudan Archives, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.679 Georgie m Maldre, Pete Rock, Neo Nas, everyone knows the deal. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.840 His last project, that Dirt loves Me more than you, 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.399 of course blew my mind and I was left with 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:36.360 no choice. But to have our Court Left show QLs 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.720 fam Brittany and cousin Jake get on the case so 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.840 that I could chop it up with the one and 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.399 only Mono Nia. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:47.520 Welcome to the Cost Left Show. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.720 I appreciate it, Thank you, ah Man. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:56.480 So I will say that I got hip to you well, Ladish, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.000 I'll say that a place called fantasy where like I 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.040 really jumped aboard, like oh shit, I was in a 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.399 record store once. I think I was in La at 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:14.440 a Memba and I heard all I ever wanted to 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.720 do is be a mystery. And you know what I'll 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:23.240 later discover about you is your method of songwriting, like 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:30.560 your courses and your verses to me are mantras and affirmations, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:36.400 very much similar to like another native of your hometown 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.639 of Memphis, mister Maurice White, the way that he used 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:52.200 affirmations and mantras, essentially tricking their large fan base into positivity, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:53.839 which is always a good thing. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:59.960 And you know, for me, just always listening to the core. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.880 I think for that song you did, the you find 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:09.200 that freedom inside yourself, and I think when I heard that, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:10.079 it stuck. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.560 With me in a way that I didn't plan it. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.760 And so you know, I've been a longtime fan of yours, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.160 so I'm glad this is finally our chance to chop 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:18.520 it up. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.000 Thank you for doing this. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.680 I wantn't know what is your first musical memory in life? 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.720 Your first musical memory. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.880 I think being around my dad. He played well he 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.600 does still plays bass, but he gave me my first 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.800 guitar and I just flipped it over left handed when 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.520 I was four years old. So I remember that. I 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.320 remember him taking me to the Mphics and may to 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.760 be on stage with him with Rufus Thomas just playing 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.000 their guitar. I remember that stuff. So those are my 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.480 earliest memories. You know, as a four year. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.960 Old, so you didn't have a babysitter, but the stage 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:58.200 was your babysitter. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.440 And that's how your parent Yeah pretty much. Yeah, same 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:01.720 with me. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.240 I played air saxophone in many a nightclub with my 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.480 family until you know, it was like all right, we'll 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.920 just have to played tambourine. And so talk about your father, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.520 like what are his his roots as far as the 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.680 musical infrastructure of Memphis. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.200 My dad was like a studio ace in Memphis. He 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.120 always gets like the first calls he played with the Barcades. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:30.360 Later on, when James Alexander for a minute, he played 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.159 with Pop Staples and Mayvis Staples the Memphis Horn stuff 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.200 Ja Blackfoot. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.960 Yeah, he pass on the other side of town. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.599 I didn't play on that record, but later on he played. 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.120 You know, I did a lot of live shows with 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:44.719 him and stuff. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:45.320 Gotcha. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.039 Okay, what did you learn from your father? The fundamentals 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.040 at least? 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.080 Well, actually, he really wasn't around when I was younger. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.400 He put the influence on me very early, and when 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.480 I saw that, I just took it. But he really 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.880 wasn't around, you know, because he he was a torn musician. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.520 He moved to Europe when I was pretty young, but 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.920 he left such a huge big impact on me to 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.080 the point where I didn't want to do anything else. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.040 I wanted to be like him. So and I'm still 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.120 chasing that, you know. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:15.840 Yep. Okay. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:21.320 So I had James Alexander on the show recently and 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.880 he gave me his version of Memphis. You were born 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.120 in nineteen ninety. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.560 August ninety, Yeah. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.400 So where there's a different version of Memphis. Can he 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.919 describe to me, like your version of Memphis? Like, what 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.440 are your fond memories what are your first memories or 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.400 fluzzy memories of Memphis, Tennessee. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.880 Well, I've come from a very loving family from Memphis, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.039 and music was and still there's a big part of 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.760 you know, my family, just coming to family gatherings and 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.680 reunions and stuff, and just going to church for my 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.120 grandma every Sunday, the Baptist church, and even the pastor 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.240 will let me up on his stage to play air 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.200 guitar for some Sundays just to I don't know why, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.440 but he would let me. His name was revend Ac 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.200 through Liberty Baptist Church where I got baptized at, and 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.440 he would just let me come in, probably with my 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.240 guitar or just let me just do whatever. And that's 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.240 that was a big influence on me as well. And 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.200 that's my memory of Memphis, being around my grandma at 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:26.880 church and stuff. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:32.960 So you were an air musician even before you talk 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.520 about being a visionary, before you even got an instrument. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.320 Yeah, you know, even a tour guitar. I have actually 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.599 old VHS tapes of me in my grandma's living room 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.279 playing with this toy guitar and just you know, visualizing it. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.599 I can just see me just wanting this shit so 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.279 bad as a kid when I look back at that. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.440 So I'm just still chasing that childlike fascination with music. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.440 I guess I don't know. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.000 I absolutely do that. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.160 I wanted to know, is there a subculture in Memphis 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.920 that challenges the mainstream in other words, you know, like 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.120 for the outside of you know, I consider myself a 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.800 music expert, so of course I would say, all right, Memphis, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.200 all right, the Sun Records and the Blues and what 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:22.600 we basically know about Memphis. But I can't discount that 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:28.040 Memphis also gives us an occasional rebellious spirit that just 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:29.920 goes their own direction. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.520 I mean, you could say this about Maurice White. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:39.120 You also say this about Larry Dotson of ur K's. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.480 Yeah, so for you, you. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:47.160 Seem to embody a rebellious spirit. Was this an intentional 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.840 thing or did you just like sort of morph into this? 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.480 Well, I guess it was kind of intentional, But I 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:57.040 definitely morphed into it because I'm naturally bashful and shy. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.440 So this whole thing of morning now to be upfront 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.800 doing my own thing, it's really tough, you know, it's 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.560 really hard, But I have a little more courage now 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.880 to do it, and I'm not really afraid because I've 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.840 been trying to let go of everybody's expectations of what 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.400 I should be doing. So I'm really having fun with that, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.640 like peeling off those layers of just letting go. And yeah, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.960 that's what I'm doing now. So I'm still trying to 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:25.800 find myself. I guess for. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.400 You in your everyday life, are you this person that 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:30.440 I'm seeing now? 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.600 Or do you morph into your everyday self? 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.120 I'm pretty much like this all the time. You know. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.760 I even sleep with my quotes song sometimes because I 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.960 love them so much. But yeah, I'm pretty much like this. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.600 But around my grandma and my mama. You know, so 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:47.320 you're not DT. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.120 I meant like, when do you turn into DT? 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.079 Probably around my mama and my grandma, my cousins and them. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:54.760 You know, I got you. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.720 They called me DJ, so I'm like DJ around them. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.480 Oh my fault. Okay, now you cool. I've heard I've 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.600 heard you. I'm in DJ. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.480 No, are you good? D? I like DT too, It's too. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.400 Is pivoting easy for you? 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.000 I usually could. I always pivot back to my mom 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.080 and my grandma because they keep me, They keep you grounded. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.480 You know, not even trying. They just that unspoken love 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.000 they have for me and I have for them. I 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.280 need it, so I carried it with me everywhere I go. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.440 Eye you've said that you were self taught at four. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:36.000 You're a left handed bass player. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.079 Are you a traditional right handed bass player that still 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.840 plays left or like, are you ambidection with it? 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.560 I'm right handed, predominantly right handed, but like I'm with 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.520 my daddy. My daddy, Dwayne Thomas, gave me a guitar 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.079 at four years old. I just flipped that thing over. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:53.680 No one corrected you at all. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.280 I mean, of course all the old heads and then 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.280 you if you play the other way, you probably sound better. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.559 I heard that along with time ago, and I didn't 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.640 even switch over because I knew what I wanted to do, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.480 not really, but I just felt it. I'd like, I 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.480 just let me just keep doing what I'm doing. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.640 Do you readjust the strings? Like is your low e 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.880 on the bottom now instead of the top or. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.920 Yeah, my low my low e is at the bottom. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.080 It's just it's just a right handed thing, and I 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.880 just I just flip it over with without changing stuff. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.640 Okay for you, if he handed any bass or any guitar. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:27.640 Can you. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:35.400 Keep the virtuosil levels up, like if given a traditional bottom, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:41.200 me on top and playing the opposite way or is 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.600 it a struggles a little bit. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.880 I wouldn't necessarily call it a struggle because I just 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.600 try to try to adapt to anything I'm in. Any 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.120 position I put myself in, or any situation I have 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.400 to go to. I just try to adapt. So if 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.040 somebody hands me like a precision base, it's going to 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.960 make me want to tap into something like James James. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.120 But still try to play my own ship as well, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.360 because I'm always gonna sneak my things in there somewhere. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.400 But yeah, I try to. I try to be adaptable 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:13.440 and let you tell me what to do at first. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.679 So yep, I'll say, the first ten years of your 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.920 life between ninety and two thousand, who were you shetting to? 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.280 Let's see. Of course, my dad he was the first one, okay, 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.080 and I my mama used to tell me stories about him, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.920 and I just used to find anything he played on 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:38.280 something like what he told me he played on Animal 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.440 with Okay okay, yeah, and he was actually credited on 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.160 that album Gotcha okay and Contagious. He told me, you 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.040 played on that nice Okay, he played on two albums, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.560 but he was really playing with them live when James 0:11:54.640 --> 0:12:00.600 left for a minute. Yeah, my dad, James. Definitely Guys 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:05.400 from Home Jackie Clark and Spanky and Anthony Crawford, Okay, 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:11.199 Brandon Brown, who else? Yeah, guys from back Home and 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.680 stuff like that. And later on I started really listening 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.640 to Victor Wooden because I never heard nobody thumb like that, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.959 So it's like, I want to try to do that 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.040 left hand and see if I can do that. It 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.960 never worked, but I put it in there somewhere. And 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.200 later on I really started listening to Anthony Jackson, very 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:30.480 very heavy, you know. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:31.920 Very Philadelphia. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.040 Oh yeah, that's my dude. Man. I go back to 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.040 listen to him all the time, just to learn something new. Gotcha, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.160 that's my favorite. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:41.560 Gotcha. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:48.199 What were the five albums that defined you for the 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.120 first ten years of your life? And I don't even 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.080 mean as a bass player whatever, Like just between ninety 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.719 and two thousand and what were the five records that 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:57.440 defined you? 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.400 Let me see them bad with albums titled but let 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.320 me see if I can figure it out? Definitely hot 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:09.280 butter so Isaac Hayes. Yes, yeah, I'm gonna skip over 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.439 some gears, but two Against Nature Steely Dan Got You. Okay, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.440 let's see what is. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.680 It about that album that gravitated you. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.520 Well, first of all, that pristine production and mixing. You know, 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.880 of course that's gonna make anybody listen if it just 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:31.760 sounds good. But I've always loved Donald Fagan and he's 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.440 always been an influence on me in terms of, you know, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.280 how I want to write and the way I hear 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.720 chorus and stuff. I'm not much of a keyboard player, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.280 but when I go to the keyboard for some reason, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.080 I think of how he sits down at it and 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.080 just do whatever the hell he does. But Donald Fagan 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.960 is really a big influence on me, and especially vocally, 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.000 I don't sound like him at all, but it's some 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.480 stuff in there that I kind of sound like him 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.559 a little bit. But no, but yeah, Donald Fag and 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.719 that album. So that's the reason I like to it 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.719 Against Nature, that. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.480 Album Got You, okay, yeah, yeah, and the other three 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.480 Mothership Connection Okay, probably George Clinton and. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.000 Them yeah okay, yeah. 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.280 Yeah, the album cover was pretty cool. That really influenced 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.080 me a lot in terms of how I wanted to 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.200 look when I saw that album cover Yeap Gotcha. At 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.120 a very very early age, I used to stay at 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.920 that album covered in my grandma's living room. I had 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.240 the vinyl. I used to act like I was DJ 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.800 wooded on the turntable in my grandma living room, just 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.200 scratching it up and just playing around. So there was 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:39.000 a big influence. What else, that's three my elementary school days. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.160 I have to say, voodoo D'Angelo. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.480 Damn that heard me When you said elementary. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:49.040 School, I mean it like that. I didn't know, but 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.400 that damn ship was definitely you know, I didn't know 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:52.800 what the hell was going on. I didn't know what 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.280 I was listening to. But you know, guess what, we 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.520 didn't know either. But it was one of those things, man, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.440 you just you couldn't stop listening to it and felt 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.320 at home with that because you know, he came from 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.720 the church too, you know. So yeah, it was just 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:11.080 I ain't gonna get too much into that, but yes, yes, yeah, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.440 for real, I'm glad I'm saying that to you. 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:13.680 Man. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.680 Yeah, I appreciate it, and I know he would appreciate it, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.920 Like I definitely know that he's a hip to your work. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.440 Okay, that's too Yeah, what's the fifth? That was four? 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.440 Find a fifth one. It's probably gonna be another steally 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.480 damn album. I would say, the damn it, the royal 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:34.920 scam Steally damn. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:48.840 Yeah, what's weird? 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.600 You just say you're not a keyboard player yet you 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:55.200 released a keyboard album or a synth album. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.680 Yeah, thats just me sitting around. That's when I first 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.560 got that that muse. I just opened the box, I 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.480 plugged it in. I just told myself, just do something 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.120 with it, just put out something. And I just did, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:09.880 you know, just messed around with it because I was 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:10.600 trying to tap. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.720 Into my that's creativity, that's. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.280 My whole thing. But I'm not really a deep type 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:15.680 of person. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.160 I just you just do it. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.800 Yeah, I just do it because I just look at 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.600 it as as breathing. I guess I've been doing this 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.720 thing for so long. I just it's just part of me. Shit, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.160 I just won't this shit. I just want to be 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.240 part of the music. I just want to be in it. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:34.119 Let me ask you, because I will say that probably 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:41.720 be one issue that sort of handicaps My peer group 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:49.080 is literally showing up like I tell them all the time, Like, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.840 we don't have to be prepared. Sometimes we won't be good, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.960 but let's just show up and take one step in 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.560 front of the other, one step in front of the other. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.760 And look, I'm guilty of it a lot. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.800 I was that person that believed in no, it's not 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.040 ready yet, perfectionism. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:06.920 I mean, I'm the guy. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.960 I'm the guy that you know has been sitting on 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.879 his album for eleven years now. But showing up, I 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:20.960 believe is not only key in first, but it's really 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.800 just the only rule. Like, so, I mean, have you 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.399 always just been mis open to hey, where I plugging, 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.520 let's go? Or like have you ever had trepidation or 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.960 oh I'm not good enough for it? Have you ever 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.880 been intimidated to be in a situation. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.280 That's what I'm working on working through now, is like 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.040 feeling like I'm not good enough because I feel like 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.679 that all the time. I wake up feeling like that. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.760 That's why I'm always so damn depressed. Probably, but yeah, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:47.920 that's what I'm working through. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.760 You know, just what is it that you want to 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.000 master that? 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:58.879 Like, what is the sign that you are satisfied with 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:04.879 your skill level? Because I mean, dude, like you're leaving 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:10.600 evidence all over the internet on why you are not 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.520 to be messed with, Like, I. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.320 Don't look at it like that. I just, man, I 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.400 just be doing shit. But I don't. I'm not where 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.040 I really want to be in terms of how I 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.840 actually hear myself, you know, not to be all profound 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.280 and deep. But I'm not there yet, you know, So 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.520 I'm not really I'm very hard on myself after every show, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.560 you know, I beat myself up. I try my best 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.520 not to because it can be very draining, but I'm 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.399 so used to beating myself up. I'm not trying to 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.360 keep myself humble or nothing. But it's just I don't 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.000 want to feel like I've arrived to nothing. I don't 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:49.000 want to feel like, man, you're the baddest motherfucker in town. No, 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.399 I don't want that. I just want to just be 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.639 in the space of doing my thing and getting better 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:55.200 and better. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.760 So is it hard for you to take compliments when. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.159 Yeah, I'm starting to say thank you now as opposed 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.119 to say, man, whatever I tried, I still say I 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.639 guess and I tried, and very you know, whatever I 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.280 guess humble or whatever. I just I'm not deal with compliments. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.840 I just know I get it. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:21.160 Yeahs as a former student of Non deservingst University. Yeah, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.720 I will say that when you do arrive to that place. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.960 And the thing is is that even though I would 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:28.879 say I'm more. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.159 Evolved now than I've ever been in the last like 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.800 five to six years, I mean, you know, sometimes it's 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.320 a struggle. I will say yesterday was probably on record 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:45.720 one of the a very bad day, you know, because 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.480 sometimes a dark commotion will come to light and you 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.080 don't know how to handle it, and you know, but 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:55.560 you're going to get to the place where you're satisfied and. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:57.159 That you own it. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.720 And you know, I love watching you get to the 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.359 If this is not perfection for you, then I love 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.040 watching you struggle to the destination. So keep on struggling. 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:07.680 I'm struggling. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:11.600 The base really never. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:15.560 Gets the props that it deserves. Like why the bass 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.360 as opposed to any other instrument. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.359 Well that's probably because my dad again, because you know 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.320 I used to I used to see him thump a lot, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.840 and I didn't as a key. You don't know what's 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.760 going on, but you're so intrigued, you're so fascinated by this, 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.240 by your dad. By this guy is looking so cool. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.520 He got the ponytail, you got this purple base, which 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.399 he actually gave me. I play, I play it with 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.440 my grandma. Play that purple base with my grandma. And yeah, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:43.560 it was just because of him. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:44.560 Just because of your dad. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.240 Okay, yeah, you know seeing that I've heard you say 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:49.760 a few times and this is this is what I 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.199 really love about your creative ethos, your relationship to what 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.120 I'll say, air quote mistakes keeps speak on why your 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.440 theory of like mistakes are important ingredients for your creations, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.080 and that you don't believe in the idea of mistakes 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.840 like everything is usable, Like as a chef, you will 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.200 use everything. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.840 From the snout to the butt, like everything. 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.720 What is your relationship with mistakes as far as your 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:18.840 creativity is concerned. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:25.000 I just find so much value in just embracing the 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.480 mistake as opposed to especially in musically just or just 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.800 in life. Man, just just embracing it and just letting 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.520 it be what it is and just letting it have 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:36.520 its own story. 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:36.760 Man. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.680 It's like I just I don't know, I really don't 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.040 think too deep about it. I just I just love 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.200 making a mistake a thing and it's it's so much 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.439 life into especially playing live and stuff. I make a 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.760 lot of mistakes, but there's something about giving that mistake 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.360 energy and it blossoms into something so I wouldn't even 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.680