Speaker 1: I've never been invited to a energy and it's not
Speaker 1: for lack of try.
Speaker 2: Gamsay media charge lash.
Speaker 3: Rory. Have you ever overdone it at a holiday party?
Speaker 3: I mean too many Dixie cups of glog?
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I've probably overdone it at
Speaker 1: any party. It doesn't have to be holiday themed nor related.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, for sure, I've definitely gone a little
Speaker 1: too deep if we're talking about the sauce.
Speaker 3: Has anyone ever made you uncomfortable, like by grabbing you
Speaker 3: under the mistletoe? No?
Speaker 1: No, people avoid me because I've by then, I've already
Speaker 1: by then I've gone a little too big, so they
Speaker 1: avoid me.
Speaker 3: There's just something about company Christmas parties that makes people
Speaker 3: go loco. Entire Reddit threads are dedicated to party nightmares,
Speaker 3: and today we have two stories of people who partied
Speaker 3: so had the police, and in one case, the Chinese
Speaker 3: government had to swoop in.
Speaker 1: What oh, I already love this.
Speaker 3: Let's get festive but safely after the break. Hello, and
Speaker 3: welcome back to crime lest the podcast that celebrates the
Speaker 3: amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals and sometimes serves
Speaker 3: as an arbiter for proper behavior. At company functions.
Speaker 1: I'm Joshine and I am Rory Scofel, here to celebrate
Speaker 1: these numb skull idiots with you.
Speaker 3: It's holiday season, Rory. Can you feel it in the air.
Speaker 1: I do actually feel it in the year, but it's
Speaker 1: hard to interpret because holiday season starts in like late
Speaker 1: September now, so you don't There will be a time
Speaker 1: before you and I leave this earth, Josh where Christmas
Speaker 1: does become year round.
Speaker 3: It is true. It's like Halloween starts in the middle
Speaker 3: of summer, and as soon as they put away the
Speaker 3: candy that Christmas trees come out right.
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is really becoming an afterthought wedged between two major
Speaker 1: money makers.
Speaker 3: Attending any holiday parties you.
Speaker 1: Think, I hope so, I hope I get the invite.
Speaker 1: I would hate to find out that I'm a little
Speaker 1: too much again, I'd hate to get confirmation that I
Speaker 1: am indeed too much.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to consider today's stories as cautionary tales
Speaker 3: about what happens when you do overdo it at a
Speaker 3: holiday functions.
Speaker 1: Yes, lest you.
Speaker 3: Ruin Christmas or worse, get hr the police or possibly
Speaker 3: the Chinese government involved. So let's start with an important
Speaker 3: question that may seem a little bit random. What's your
Speaker 3: go to Taco Bell order? Great question.
Speaker 1: Haven't been at Taco Bell in a super long time,
Speaker 1: but I think I always did the the crunchy gordita. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what I did. Yeah. Can I I
Speaker 1: know this is sidestepping where you're trying to go right now,
Speaker 1: but can I just say everything at Taco Bell, while
Speaker 1: we all know is not great for you, is very delicious.
Speaker 1: And I've always wondered why Mexican restaurants don't pick a
Speaker 1: couple things off the Taco Bell menu that are clearly
Speaker 1: not even authentically Mexican and just make the fresh version
Speaker 1: of that. I feel like that would crush. That's all
Speaker 1: I want to say. That's my pitch to the Sharks.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: I completely agree. Well, I asked you that because that's
Speaker 3: the scene of the crime for our first story of
Speaker 3: holiday party is gone awry.
Speaker 1: Nice setting. Here we go.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, a woman named Alana Betiam was
Speaker 3: working as a cashier at a Taco Bell in San Pedro, California,
Speaker 3: which is near Long Beach, Okay. She'd work there less
Speaker 3: than a year, and she was invited to the location's
Speaker 3: holiday party. I mean, the first holiday party at your
Speaker 3: new workplace is an important milestone professionally. I think helps
Speaker 3: build camaraderie with your co workers during a stressful time
Speaker 3: of year and shows you can hang right.
Speaker 1: Just want to double check. So you're talking about a
Speaker 1: holiday party at with the Taco bell crew.
Speaker 3: Yep, that is correct.
Speaker 1: I honest, I feel like a jerk for not even
Speaker 1: realizing that all places of employment would probably have a
Speaker 1: holiday party.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well's fair, you might feel so corporate.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a chain restaurant, right, Like how they're not
Speaker 3: good because it's open twenty four hours?
Speaker 1: Right, twenty four hours? When do they have time to party?
Speaker 1: I guess holiday parties just feel so like white collar corporate.
Speaker 1: But you know what, You're right, Josh, You're right.
Speaker 3: Well, Alana was about to find out that she indeed
Speaker 3: could not hang. Oh, so her manager, a woman named
Speaker 3: Lydia Rouiz and I'd name her because she later shows
Speaker 3: up in court documents, invites the whole staff to this
Speaker 3: party to truly live mos and encourage everyone to bring
Speaker 3: food for a pot luck buffet. You have no idea
Speaker 3: where this is going, so you're in for a real treat.
Speaker 1: I just like that, you said, live Moss, So like man,
Speaker 1: he's applying it. He really does love tacout.
Speaker 3: Alana believed it was a corporate approved event, seeing that
Speaker 3: they were using the actual restaurant as the venue, and
Speaker 3: she invited her sister and her sister's partner. So on
Speaker 3: December eighteenth, Lana and her guests arrive at Taco Bell.
Speaker 3: She brings guacamoli for the potluck classic. I'm assuming they
Speaker 3: had plenty of chips on hand.
Speaker 1: You think you would assume that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just side note, I don't know that I
Speaker 3: would bring Mexican food to the Taco Bell Christmas party.
Speaker 3: I might go a little bit crazy and bring I
Speaker 3: don't know, Italian.
Speaker 1: Food, maybe a pizza. I was thinking Italian too. I'd big,
Speaker 1: I bring like a Pepperoni pizza.
Speaker 3: So this is our scene, Alana, her sister, her sister's partner,
Speaker 3: and a big old bowl of guac rolling up to
Speaker 3: Taco Bell for a party that's about to give a
Speaker 3: whole new meaning to the current corporate slogan. Do you
Speaker 3: know what that is? No think outside the buns?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: Okay, So first, this was great the suspense, Josh. The
Speaker 3: first thing they noticed is that the windows are all
Speaker 3: covered in wrapping paper, which, okay, not that weird. It's
Speaker 3: a Christmas party. Let's just wrap the whole restaurant. But
Speaker 3: when they get inside, Alana notices that the security cameras
Speaker 3: are also wrapped in wrapping papers.
Speaker 1: Smart.
Speaker 3: I guess that is pretty I mean, even if nothing
Speaker 3: untoward is going to happen, that's smart.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You don't want someone to get an HRVI.
Speaker 1: You do know any big brother watching you? Not at
Speaker 1: a Christmas party? Come on?
Speaker 3: According to court documents, yes, that's where this is going.
Speaker 3: Lydia provided the booth for the party. She sounds like
Speaker 3: a good manager. She just wants everyone to have a
Speaker 3: baja blast.
Speaker 1: I'm team Lydia. So far, so far, so far, so good.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, So Alana spends most of the party socializing
Speaker 3: with their coworkers outside the restaurant. This being California, the
Speaker 3: nights are mild, there's plenty of space in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Can I interrupt with a question? H yeah, of course
Speaker 1: you do. You already know how many people are at
Speaker 1: this party? And if not, what are you picturing? But
Speaker 1: maybe you do already know, I actually.
Speaker 3: Don't know the number, and I feel like a bad
Speaker 3: journalist for not doing.
Speaker 1: No, I don't maybe it's not even given. But for
Speaker 1: some reason, I'm finding funny. It funnier in my head
Speaker 1: because I'm picturing that it's like seven people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because how many people are working at a
Speaker 3: taco belt and given time, it's like three.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know what a staff would be, but
Speaker 1: I'm definitely way under and I'm even and I mean guests,
Speaker 1: I mean outsiders have been brought in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm picturing, yeah, you know, you
Speaker 3: got a couple, yeah, on the high side, right, because
Speaker 3: you think twenty two three shifts, they each have two
Speaker 3: or three people three shifts.
Speaker 1: And also everyone brought one to two people. All right.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know the number, but I think i'm
Speaker 3: guessing it's not We're not talking hundreds of people that
Speaker 3: would be a taco bell. So she's hanging out in
Speaker 3: the parking lot. Around midnight, she decides to pop back
Speaker 3: inside see how things are going, and this is when
Speaker 3: things take a turn rory. Yes, because when she opened
Speaker 3: the door, she did not see her fellow employees giggling
Speaker 3: over the glock bowle. She saw her coworker Jonathan having
Speaker 3: sex with his wife in front of everyone. Huh, and
Speaker 3: his wife was kissing Taco Belt manager Lydia, as well
Speaker 3: as another coworker named Adriana. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, so
Speaker 3: lapping paper on the security cameras makes more sense now, right,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, yes, Already wondering like, so did people
Speaker 3: know in advance? This is where it was headed? Like,
Speaker 3: didn't feel like they needed to tell Alana?
Speaker 1: I have so many like why, yeah, literally, what you
Speaker 1: just said? If you know that's gonna be the theme
Speaker 1: of the party, do you you don't double check with everyone? Hey?
Speaker 1: You cool with this?
Speaker 3: Just bring some bring something for the poplock roar.
Speaker 1: Also also, so far what you've said about the sexual
Speaker 1: interaction wildly legal. Yes, no need to do this, and
Speaker 1: Taco Bell no need to So after what I'm assuming with.
Speaker 3: Some very uncomfortable eye contact, Alana runs outside. She has
Speaker 3: quote shocked, disgusted, and outraged, according to court documents, which
Speaker 3: is ironic because that's how I felt when they took
Speaker 3: Mexican pizza off the menu.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to get Mexican pizza and every single
Speaker 1: time was disappointed because I thought, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess I just wanted more of a pizza type vibe
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: Yep. Well, Alana's outside, she shocked, she's disgusted. A short
Speaker 3: time later, Jonathan emerges after making sweet love to his
Speaker 3: wife and the boss and his coworker. Yeah, which made
Speaker 3: Alana think it was safe to go back inside and
Speaker 3: rescue her guacamole bul.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh she cares about the guak bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might have left it at this stage.
Speaker 1: Hey what a Yeah, I don't think I'm sticking around.
Speaker 1: I don't think I want that back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well wait till you hear our next twist rory.
Speaker 3: So what do you think she walked in on this time?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like sex is still it's sex
Speaker 1: or drugs. I think it's still sex. I think just
Speaker 1: because Jonathan is tapped out doesn't mean everybody's ready to leave.
Speaker 3: Well, Alana, when she goes back in, she spots her
Speaker 3: manager and Adriana, But now they're not having sex. They're barfing.
Speaker 3: One is bent over a trash can and the other
Speaker 3: was puking into the guacamole bowl. Okay, yeah, so they
Speaker 3: maybe got a little bit out of hand. They drank
Speaker 3: too much, the sex maybe got a little vigorous, and
Speaker 3: they got the spins. I'm not sure what happened. Ye,
Speaker 3: we're now barfing.
Speaker 1: Well, Jonathan needed some are too, he understood what was
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: Luckily, Alanna's able to de escalate the situation, probably by
Speaker 3: running away, which is what I would have done. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and honestly probably what I would have done the first
Speaker 3: time I walked in and realized my company party was
Speaker 3: a weird orgy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I if I walked in and saw it was
Speaker 1: a weird orgy, I think I'm probably grabbing the guac
Speaker 1: bul right then, you know what I mean, Like, let's
Speaker 1: get the guak bul home safe.
Speaker 3: And your sister and her partner like, so are Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where were they? Were? They just in there like y'all
Speaker 1: have weird parties. Your company's crazy?
Speaker 3: I mean the sister's partner. Yeah, I must have been like.
Speaker 1: Uh, what is what we wish?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: And Mary christ It just constantly trying to get caroling
Speaker 1: going while the sex is happening.
Speaker 3: So you may be wondering at this point, Josh, this
Speaker 3: story is gross and uncomfortable, but the show is called crimeless,
Speaker 3: and I'm still not sure any crimes have been committed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. Well, I don't know on
Speaker 1: company grounds, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: Hang in there, buddy, because two days after the party,
Speaker 3: Alana files a complaint with the HR department. I can
Speaker 3: only imagine the HR manager's reaction when this email comes in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and tako about corporate Yeah, I wonder what happened at
Speaker 3: the San Pedro party.
Speaker 1: Oh well, let's just check the cameras. Well, there's them
Speaker 1: wrapping them, so we can't see anything, all right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's sign one something happened.
Speaker 3: Probably just someone getting a little handsy. Let's see, oh dear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I guess they wouldn't have any footage, right,
Speaker 1: they would have their own idea.
Speaker 3: It's all hearsay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all hearsay.
Speaker 3: So an investigation into the incident was launched. Lydia, Adriana,
Speaker 3: and Jonathan were all subsequently fired, which feels I think appropriate.
Speaker 3: But on December twenty second, Alana starts getting threats from
Speaker 3: her coworkers. One text reads you've been running your mouth
Speaker 3: for the longest, so run them hands, bitch, which I
Speaker 3: don't totally understand. If I'm being honest, but it's a
Speaker 3: little menacing.
Speaker 1: So run them hands. Huh.
Speaker 3: It's a mystery.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: Another coworker called her names like a hoe and a slut,
Speaker 3: which feels ironic.
Speaker 1: She was not, actually, there's a little bit of hypocrisy
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and threatened her family members. Someone even smashed her
Speaker 3: car window in Okay. So, okay, now we have crimes
Speaker 3: yep against property. I believe these are threats. Alana files
Speaker 3: a police report about the broken window, reports the threats
Speaker 3: to Taco Bell management, but instead of punishing the employees
Speaker 3: who have been threatening her, they transferred her to a
Speaker 3: new location.
Speaker 1: Oh very Catholic church of them got it so.
Speaker 3: On Christmas Eve twenty twenty two, Alana, who just wanted
Speaker 3: her new coworkers to like her guacamole, quit her job,
Speaker 3: citing significant stress and anxiety from a hostile work environment.
Speaker 3: About a year later, she filed a wrongful termination lawsuit
Speaker 3: against the company that owned that location. In her complaint,
Speaker 3: she alleged that she has suffered actual, consequential and incidental
Speaker 3: financial losses and that her quote constructive termination violated anti
Speaker 3: discrimination laws. I guess that means because they moved her
Speaker 3: to a new location instead.
Speaker 1: Of yes, I like this, I like what. I like
Speaker 1: the justice that's being sought after.
Speaker 3: But Taco about corporate issues a particularly mild statement about this.
Speaker 3: It said, while we don't own or manage this location,
Speaker 3: the franchisee who owns and operates the restaurant has shared
Speaker 3: that they take these claims very seriously, so lawyered.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: After a few years in the court system, the case
Speaker 3: is dismissed at Alana's request. My guess is she just
Speaker 3: ready to move on with her life, Yeah, because these
Speaker 3: things can take a long time in court. Or maybe
Speaker 3: by then she'd reconsider her views on party threesomes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now she's like, you know what, why didn't
Speaker 1: I jump in?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Once?
Speaker 1: Why didn't I see what's going on closer?
Speaker 3: I'm also happy to report that, at least according to
Speaker 3: a Google review posted six months ago, that lady of
Speaker 3: the manager's back managing at that Taco bell Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, and how do I know that?
Speaker 3: Because some dude named Frank gave her customer service one star,
Speaker 3: claiming that she has sideburns tattooed on her face and
Speaker 3: that she lets kids smoke inside the restaurant.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a fun taco but maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: back to team Lydia. Is that what it was?
Speaker 3: What was the team Lydia?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm back to team Lydia. I mean tattooed sideburns,
Speaker 1: get out of my face. That's great. I like this.
Speaker 3: It's not just people smoke. She lets kids smoking.
Speaker 1: She's like, hey, guys, have fun. This is Taco Bell
Speaker 1: Live moth. Are we thinking outside the bun yet? King's
Speaker 1: not gonna let you do this.
Speaker 3: Oh Frank, if he's Taco Bell Walls could talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine what Frank is experiencing when he's like, what,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is just seeing kids smoking? What the
Speaker 1: fuck is this?
Speaker 3: But he looks up that location, it's like, oh dear, and.
Speaker 1: Lydia's like, what can I get you? What do you want?
Speaker 1: We have sex club here on Thursdays and definitely Christmas.
Speaker 3: We've got a special on seven Lighter Brutos and sex
Speaker 3: Night on Thursday. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think like she should go back at Christmas and
Speaker 1: just be like, do they still have these parties? Just
Speaker 1: like walk in like I knew it. You guys are
Speaker 1: back to the same fucking thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I bet the next time you see
Speaker 3: a Taco Bell with the windows covered in rapping paper,
Speaker 3: you're gonna stop.
Speaker 1: You're gonna know, You're gonna know. That's the sign I've
Speaker 1: I was on a show called Physical and we filmed
Speaker 1: near this Taco Bell in San Pedro. Oh really, that's right?
Speaker 3: Did you eat there?
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm well aware of these locations, and uh
Speaker 1: now I know that I was never invited to, uh partake.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ask you if you've ever been invited
Speaker 3: to an orgy.
Speaker 1: I've never been invited to an orgy. You don't even
Speaker 1: have to. I'll just divulge that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still young man, plenty of time.
Speaker 1: Hey, And it's not for lack of try. I have
Speaker 1: made it very clear I want to be in and
Speaker 1: no one cares.
Speaker 3: After the break, a different story about a holiday party
Speaker 3: gone awry, featuring a Phillies fan who had won too
Speaker 3: many cocktails and sparked an international incident. Yes, hello, and
Speaker 3: welcome back to Crime List, the only podcast brave enough
Speaker 3: to tell the truth about holiday parties. That's right, Rory,
Speaker 3: now that you've heard the truth. A story about a
Speaker 3: Taco Bell party that turned into an orgy. You may
Speaker 3: be thinking things couldn't possibly get worse for America's holiday gatherings.
Speaker 1: God, I hope so, I hope it gets worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because for at least one guy in Delaware, it's
Speaker 3: definitely not true. Probably a lot of guys in Delaware,
Speaker 3: and we just know about this one guy. Allow me
Speaker 3: to introduce you to Michael Rohana, a then twenty four
Speaker 3: year old shoe salesman from Bear, Delaware, who drove into
Speaker 3: Philly in December of twenty seventeen to attend an ugly
Speaker 3: sweater party at the famous Franklin Institute Museum.
Speaker 1: Okay, ever been there? I have?
Speaker 3: Not great museum Okay. In fact, it's one of America's
Speaker 3: most acclaimed science museums, named for that og Philly legend,
Speaker 3: Ben Franklin. Benjamin got it. Perhaps you've heard of him,
Speaker 3: Benny boy A Benny boy Yep. But on this night
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, the museum is hosting a science after
Speaker 3: hours holiday party that Michael and his pals decide to
Speaker 3: hit up. So I guess it's open to the public.
Speaker 3: You probably pay ten bucks to show up party in
Speaker 3: the museum?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems fun. I would do that me too.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they pregamed or just had too
Speaker 3: many cups of the spiked punch, But around nine pm
Speaker 3: Michael makes one of the most consequential bad decisions of
Speaker 3: his young life.
Speaker 1: Nine pm is so on the early side, but that
Speaker 1: is not the hour that something like this happens.
Speaker 3: Okay, drove out from Delaware Hot Look into party.
Speaker 1: He drank on the way. He had him drinks on
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 3: They tailgated outside the Franklin too.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Michael slips off and ducks under a rope that divides
Speaker 3: the section of the museum open for the party from
Speaker 3: its closed exhibits. And where does he end up? In
Speaker 3: the middle of an exhibit of ten almost priceless terracotta
Speaker 3: warriors from the legendary collection of eight thousand clay soldiers
Speaker 3: buried by China's first emperor and discovered back in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy four.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I was wondering how we were gonna tie
Speaker 1: these worlds together, and here we go.
Speaker 3: Do you know these warriors? I do, Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Apparently some peasants were digging a well and chang Xi
Speaker 3: Province and just stumbled upon them. They're all like literally
Speaker 3: built to be buried with his emperor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you imagine stumbling into that and being like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Would you never you would never be able to lose
Speaker 1: that initial reaction to oh my god, what is this?
Speaker 3: From like part of one to a whole one to
Speaker 3: eight thousand of them been going there unending serious swagg
Speaker 3: that emperor had had that commission to be buried with
Speaker 3: him when he died. He's like, I need eight thousand
Speaker 3: warriors to be sculpted from clay.
Speaker 1: If I had Bezos money, I would go, let's go
Speaker 1: nine thousand, Let's set the record and then bury them
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, for those who don't know, it's this really
Speaker 3: detailed army of literally thousands of individually sculpted clay figures,
Speaker 3: some on horseback, some marching, each with his own individual flare.
Speaker 3: These things were not mass produced, and the point of
Speaker 3: them was to protect Emperor Chin Chi Wong in the afterlife,
Speaker 3: which feels like a little bit of overkill.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't know what to expect in
Speaker 1: the afterlife, but I just would like to believe it's
Speaker 1: not war I would just love to believe it's not war.
Speaker 3: So I commissioned statues of what instead.
Speaker 1: I mean wings, a cool car, just in the event
Speaker 1: that we do get to use these things.
Speaker 3: How about some ladies for an orgy?
Speaker 1: Eight thousand ladies, eight thousand ladies, one of whom is
Speaker 1: your wife. They're all different versions of my wife. That's
Speaker 1: how committed I am. All eight thousand are different versions
Speaker 1: of my wife.
Speaker 3: So the main collection has become one of China's most
Speaker 3: famous and popular art exhibits, and this small group of
Speaker 3: them was split off to tour of the world. So
Speaker 3: our man Michael wanders into the dark section of the museum,
Speaker 3: and using his phone's flashlight, he decides to give himself
Speaker 3: a little tour. Yep, he poses for some selfies. He's
Speaker 3: wearing a green holiday sweater and of course a Phillies hat. Yep,
Speaker 3: this is Philly. He's from Delaware, but Delawa is right
Speaker 3: across the border. Yeah, so he's trespassing, I guess, but
Speaker 3: probably not.
Speaker 1: Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Speaker 1: I guess. You know, he knew what that velvet rope meant.
Speaker 3: It's true, he knew he was dancing with the devil.
Speaker 3: But I mean, but still like, I feel like at
Speaker 3: this point he's not gonna get himself. They're going to
Speaker 3: kick him out, right, They're like, okay, you're Michael.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So and he guesses about where he crosses the actual
Speaker 3: crime line. I mean, assuming that he's trespassing, right, but
Speaker 3: let's let's that probably wouldn't have gotten him.
Speaker 1: Or he's doing he's taking selfies with the soldiers. Yep,
Speaker 1: is that right?
Speaker 3: That's well, no, that's not Yes, he did do that,
Speaker 3: but that's still not what I guess what he might do.
Speaker 1: Is it related to the soldiers. It is he got
Speaker 1: into sexual positions, like he was at Taco bell. He
Speaker 1: started giving taco bell with the soldiers.
Speaker 3: He re enacted the Tago Bell orgy. Uh no, I'll
Speaker 3: just tell you. At some point, Michael snaps the thumb
Speaker 3: off one of the warriors the cavalry, and he sticks
Speaker 3: it in his pocket.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 3: Then he eventually finds his way back to the party,
Speaker 3: finishes his night, and takes the little terra cotta thumb
Speaker 3: home man, Dun dune dum.
Speaker 1: This is like if this was a horror movie. It
Speaker 1: brings the soldier to life and he kills everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh my God, that's such a good plot.
Speaker 1: That's actually a pretty good plot. Nobody steal that in
Speaker 1: case Josh and I decided to co write it.
Speaker 3: That's crimeless movie spin off number one.
Speaker 1: You can't be really houses related to the show at all.
Speaker 3: That's the elevator pitch. We just did. We just did it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there you go, offers via. Well, we might have different agencies.
Speaker 3: Just just email us. It actually just venmo us.
Speaker 1: If you have enough, we'll go highest venmo we get
Speaker 1: to keep all the venmos, but whoever sends the highest
Speaker 1: amount gets the script.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's legal. Yeah. So, according to a filing
Speaker 3: by his lawyer, Michael woke up the next day hungover,
Speaker 3: extremely scared, and immediately regretting his conduct. Yeah, but at first,
Speaker 3: nothing happens. He just resumes his life. It takes a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks for the museum staff to even notice
Speaker 3: that the cavalryman is missing a thumb, but eventually they
Speaker 3: do and the police are called.
Speaker 1: I that is actually kind of interesting that they would
Speaker 1: notice that. It must have been like a prominent like
Speaker 1: on display thumb location.
Speaker 3: It's the less famous, like the little known guy giving
Speaker 3: two thumbs up.
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe all of them were doing this, but
Speaker 1: one of them was doing this.
Speaker 3: For those not watching on a video, Rory is giving
Speaker 3: the thumbs up. One presumes it wasn't a terribly difficult
Speaker 3: mystery to solve. They have cameras, and so an FBI
Speaker 3: agent pays a visit to Michael's home in Delaware, and
Speaker 3: Michael confesses right away. He hands over the thumb, which
Speaker 3: he'd put in a desk drawer, of course. Yeah, where
Speaker 3: else would.
Speaker 1: You put it? Yeah? Paper weight? I would go paper
Speaker 1: weight for sure.
Speaker 3: He surely hopes they'll just slap him on the wrist,
Speaker 3: maybe issue a fine, and that is not what happened,
Speaker 3: unfortunately for Michael.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, here we go, there we go. Let
Speaker 1: this be a lesson to everybody. Let everyone learn through
Speaker 1: Michael's mistakes. Right now, Josh, what did they do to him?
Speaker 1: They killed him? Did they kill him? Michael was killed?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, This is a cautionary tale for all of us.
Speaker 3: Even the most harmless prank can get you in big trouble.
Speaker 3: And so in Michael's case, federal prosecutors charged him with
Speaker 3: the theft and concealment of an item of cultural heritage,
Speaker 3: as well as interstate transport of a stolen item because
Speaker 3: he'd driven the thumb back across the border into Delaware.
Speaker 3: These are very serious charges that could result in decades
Speaker 3: in prison should he be convicted.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, oh shit. You know, he can't even believe it.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like just a normal guy. Oh yeah, like.
Speaker 3: One did one dumb thing and then suddenly the FBI's
Speaker 3: at his house and he's being charged by federal prosecutors
Speaker 3: with crimes that could.
Speaker 1: Put He's gonna go to jail longer than the Jam sixers,
Speaker 1: who knew they were definitely crossing a velvet rope. They
Speaker 1: definitely knew that.
Speaker 3: I believe they smashed some doors and windows.
Speaker 1: They did a little more than Michael.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So why go so hard on him because this
Speaker 3: is Philly bro. No, Actually, it's because this had become
Speaker 3: an international incident. Rory. The case was fueled in part
Speaker 3: by outrage from the Chinese government, which takes these words
Speaker 3: very seriously. Yeah, only ten at a time are ever
Speaker 3: allowed to leave the country, and according to The New
Speaker 3: York Times, a Chinese man was sentenced to death back
Speaker 3: in the eighties for stealing the head of one.
Speaker 1: There you go, and the head's gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit more than the thumb. They're gonna notice that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean death, Why would you want it?
Speaker 1: Like, what do you even do with it? I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like if he put it on eBay, would you even
Speaker 1: believe that's legitimately a thumb from one of the soldiers,
Speaker 1: Or if you had the head he just put it
Speaker 1: on a shelf. Yeah, I don't know. I grabbed it
Speaker 1: at a holiday party. They're gonna kill me, But I
Speaker 1: just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't. I couldn't stop.
Speaker 1: I always have so much fun at the holiday party.
Speaker 1: The schnapps we would do impeach schnapps.
Speaker 3: So the Chinese government wasn't quite that blood thirsty, but
Speaker 3: they were still very pissed, and they asked you officials
Speaker 3: to punish Michael to the full extent of the law,
Speaker 3: calling the theft to quote vicious incident. Phillas City Council
Speaker 3: tried to lower the temp by issuing a formal apology
Speaker 3: to China, stating that the work of art was invaluable
Speaker 3: in an official resolution, and two years later, in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: the case finally goes to court.
Speaker 1: Oh here we go. I'm I'm Uh.
Speaker 3: Michael's lawyers argued that the severity of the charges was
Speaker 3: sort of ridiculous, and I think we can agree that, yeap,
Speaker 3: it seems a little ridiculous, right, yeah, yeah. It says
Speaker 3: these charges were made for art thieves think Ocean's eleven
Speaker 3: or mission impossible. One of his lawyers said her client
Speaker 3: wasn't a ninja clothing sneaking around the museum. He was
Speaker 3: a drunk kid in a bright green, ugly Christmas sweater.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: A great line by a lawyer, right there. Yeah, here's
Speaker 3: what Michael, surely scared shitless told the court. Every time
Speaker 3: I see this video now, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what was going through your mind? What were you thinking? Also,
Speaker 3: I don't know why I broke it. It did just happen,
Speaker 3: But there was never a thought of I should break this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I get if he's telling the truth, it may
Speaker 3: be more of like maybe he touched it in an
Speaker 3: act it only broke and then he was like, oh shit, maybe.
Speaker 1: I guess is there any foot There was no footage
Speaker 1: of not released.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I mean, I guess you could imagine a
Speaker 3: couple of scenarios. One and he breaks it by accident
Speaker 3: and pockets at one where he did think, oh, this
Speaker 3: will be funny, and then immediately is like, ah shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But one of the things lawyers argued about the most
Speaker 3: was the value of the thumb, the small piece of
Speaker 3: two thousand year old klute. To get the conviction, US
Speaker 3: attorneys needed to convince the court that the thumb was
Speaker 3: worth more than five thousand dollars. According to the New
Speaker 3: York Times, curators told the FBI that the statue itself
Speaker 3: was worth four point five million, and an expert witness
Speaker 3: testified that the thumb was worth one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just making this shit up, Yeah, based
Speaker 3: on what thel there's the market for terracotta warrior thous
Speaker 3: that's what I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and fifty thousand. Nice.
Speaker 3: But Michael's expert, an artipraiser, stated that the thumb's real
Speaker 3: value was probably more like a thousand bucks the estimated
Speaker 3: cost of reattaching it. I think that's reasonable. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: I buy that argument.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, the jury was mostly confused. They entered in a
Speaker 3: split verdict and a mistrial was declared. But this sadly
Speaker 3: was not the end for Michael and his drunk adventure.
Speaker 1: Oh man, and he's two years into living with this, yep.
Speaker 3: Exactly because the Chinese government not over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that. They wouldn't let it go. You
Speaker 1: know what they would do on there. They're standing ground.
Speaker 1: They're standing on business here, folks.
Speaker 3: They were very unhappy about the miss trial, and a
Speaker 3: BBC story about the trial quoted outraged users of Chinese
Speaker 3: social media sites too. Let me read a few of
Speaker 3: these for you, Rory. Yeah, since he's not guilty, can
Speaker 3: I also take the statue of Liberty's torch?
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's gonna be a little bit bigger than the thumb,
Speaker 1: but it was a.
Speaker 3: Little harder to break off and speak away with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have to see how mad would France
Speaker 1: get about that? That's right, does France care?
Speaker 3: Another person said, are those seven jurors idiots?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Oh and finally my favorite, this American dog doesn't care
Speaker 3: at all or understand Chinese cultural relics.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what they wrote.
Speaker 3: This was social media users in China.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, yeah, they called him a dog, American dog.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This left prosecutors in a bit of a predicament. It
Speaker 3: was too high profile to let go of. So the
Speaker 3: case dragged on for five more years. Rory, So seven
Speaker 3: year guy, this poor guy. So we're talking like this
Speaker 3: just resolved last year twenty twelve. God, so the pandemic
Speaker 3: was part of the reason, of course, but it drags on.
Speaker 3: So finally, in twenty twenty three, Michael agrees to a
Speaker 3: plea deal. He pleads guilty to a federal midsdemeanor trafficking
Speaker 3: and archaeological resources in exchange for five years probation, a
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars fine, and one hundred hours of community service.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's lucky, both lucky, but also probably like
Speaker 3: seven years of my life. I mean, God, imagine how stressed.
Speaker 1: That guy was for s Do you think there's any
Speaker 1: like Chinese spies. They're going to try to kill him.
Speaker 3: He might because punishment back home, we know what that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna kill him. They're gonna find him.
Speaker 3: So Michael would have to pay an as yet undecided
Speaker 3: amount of restitution to the Franklin Institute, which even six
Speaker 3: years later, was still hopping mad. The museum issued a
Speaker 3: statement that the statue would never again be publicly displayed
Speaker 3: because of the damage Michael caused, which reduced the artworks
Speaker 3: life expectancy, and it claimed they had spent fifty thousand
Speaker 3: dollars to add security barriers. I mean, come on, that's
Speaker 3: their fault, and flew in Chinese officials to inspect the damage,
Speaker 3: plus another twenty five grand to fix the thumb.
Speaker 1: So only twenty five grand to fix it. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 3: Michael, who at the time of the thumb robbery I
Speaker 3: guess we can call it, was a shoe salesman. He
Speaker 3: had moved on by this time he worked at an
Speaker 3: HVAC company. He told the judge he was willing to
Speaker 3: do anything, even sell his collection of Nike sneakers, which
Speaker 3: included some very rare air Jordans, to help pay it back.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I don't know if he needed to tell
Speaker 1: us how he was going to get the money, but
Speaker 1: that's that feels like he was posturing to be like,
Speaker 1: by the way, I've got some dope sneakers. No one
Speaker 1: ever really knows that about me, and this is my
Speaker 1: only chance to kind of really air that out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Michael. Yeah, he also just wanted to
Speaker 3: move on. Yeah, I was wasting my time with no
Speaker 3: goals and no vision of where I wanted my life
Speaker 3: to go. He said, this has been a huge wake
Speaker 3: up call for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a long, long wake up call.
Speaker 3: Oh man, poor guy. I mean, you know, listen, you know.
Speaker 1: You don't tamper with artwork. You've got to be assuming,
Speaker 1: You've got to be you have to assume this is
Speaker 1: all expensive, and this is why you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: touch paintings.
Speaker 3: So uh Rory, will you now moderate your punch and
Speaker 3: take all holiday parties going forward?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah? Yeah, I look, I would never steal
Speaker 1: a thumb from one of these warriors or touch a painting,
Speaker 1: but I will say and I don't think there would
Speaker 1: have been any punishment. A younger me would have definitely
Speaker 1: had a couple of drinks and wanted people to know
Speaker 1: I went into the music. I would like be like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Yeah, I'm gonna go in and they
Speaker 1: don't want me to. I can easily see me doing that.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean super young. I mean maybe two
Speaker 1: three years ago. I mean still in my forties, adult husband, father,
Speaker 1: drinking too much and going into the roped off area.
Speaker 3: All right, well, I'm ready for some eggnog. Let's take
Speaker 3: a break. But after the break, Rory, what's coming up?
Speaker 1: Blaane s game?
Speaker 3: Everybody's favorite game or games we'll see in a minute. Hello,
Speaker 3: and welcome back to Crime List, the only podcast brave
Speaker 3: enough to get drunk at your holiday party. It's now
Speaker 3: time for our final segments.
Speaker 2: Blane Scame never gets sold.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to hit a better scratch of the back
Speaker 1: of the throat. This thing's evolving, it's growing.
Speaker 3: Bring a bullhorn one of these times you should pull
Speaker 3: it out. Gen absolutely fucking whale it.
Speaker 1: Please, I just blow out my own mic and.
Speaker 2: Headphones, break our speakers.
Speaker 3: All right, Lane, what do you got for us?
Speaker 2: So today? Since it was our holiday episode, I have
Speaker 2: a game dedicated to Christmas movies, specific Hallmark Christmas movies.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, do you guys watch those?
Speaker 3: I don't, so I'm gonna be terrible.
Speaker 1: I can I tell you something earlier in the episode,
Speaker 1: when I was talking about how Christmas shopping and shit
Speaker 1: starts in like September, I was visiting my family members
Speaker 1: in Panama City Beach in mid October, and the Hallmark
Speaker 1: channel has it already was starting its playing of non
Speaker 1: stop Christmas movies starting then They're going right now.
Speaker 2: They can't be stopped. They turned out.
Speaker 1: It's insanity.
Speaker 2: They turned out so many. There was thirty original films
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Guilty Pleasure. I would sit and watch one right now
Speaker 1: and make fun of it and also secret goal that
Speaker 1: no one knows. I would absolutely be in one if
Speaker 1: someone get made me an offer. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: I go read. I would go read for it, I owe.
Speaker 1: But I would easily be in a Hallmark movie, and
Speaker 1: I my fear is that I'd love it. And then
Speaker 1: that's what I would.
Speaker 3: Just film them all like rural Canada. You just live
Speaker 3: in that town where they film them all, and.
Speaker 1: You live in that town, and you just you create
Speaker 1: this misperceived version of Christmas that no one in their
Speaker 1: reality actually lives.
Speaker 3: Well, no one sounds like you have a better chance
Speaker 3: of raising this than me, though, You're like, spiritually.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about I just watch them and
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's going on. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be horrible at this.
Speaker 2: But I like this great place to start. So basically,
Speaker 2: the premise of this game simple. I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you the title of a Christmas Hallmark movie and I
Speaker 2: just want you to tell me what it's about. Just
Speaker 2: give me any plot point in a detail.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, thank you? Lane?
Speaker 2: All right, first one.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on? Can we do Can
Speaker 1: this be the first Lane Games where Josh and I
Speaker 1: are maybe on the same team and we either get
Speaker 1: it right or wrong?
Speaker 2: You know for Christmas?
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, we collaborate.
Speaker 1: We're collaborating on what we think this story.
Speaker 2: Okay, in the spirit of the holidays, of course.
Speaker 1: Unity.
Speaker 2: So this movies called An Unexpected Christmas.
Speaker 1: What do you think pregnancy? Pregnancy, I'm feeling family that.
Speaker 1: I think they lean heavily into Mary and Joseph. I
Speaker 1: think they go hardcore religious on this and they've it's
Speaker 1: a couple that's been trying.
Speaker 3: Baby, they've been trying a long time to have a baby,
Speaker 3: and the baby happens like right at Christmas, right holiday.
Speaker 1: Or it's born on Christmas.
Speaker 3: It was born on Christmas and they name it Jesus.
Speaker 1: And they name it Jesus because Jesus Jesus.
Speaker 2: How we doing that's too progressive for Hallmark. Now, this
Speaker 2: one's about Jamie, a political speech writer who returns home
Speaker 2: to his small town for the holidays. But he hasn't
Speaker 2: told his family that he and his girlfriend broke up.
Speaker 2: But Emily, his girlfriend, arrives in his hometown on marketing business,
Speaker 2: and David doesn't want to ruin Christmas for his family,
Speaker 2: so he tells Emily, let's just pretend and we can
Speaker 2: work together. I'll help you with your work project, and
Speaker 2: what do you know, they fall back in love.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right, Josh and I are idiots. What
Speaker 1: a horrible fucking guess. That's a great I would be
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 2: You could be the funny brother or the main character.
Speaker 1: When I was thinking, I was like, let me play
Speaker 1: the dad, even though the ages will be way off.
Speaker 1: I think no one will care.
Speaker 3: Where Just wear like a what are those I can't
Speaker 3: even think of the word. Man, what are those sweaters
Speaker 3: called when you button them up?
Speaker 1: Cardigan?
Speaker 3: Yes, just wear a cardigan.
Speaker 1: Josh is so thrown by the fact that our pitch
Speaker 1: wasn't even close to this forgotten words. I can't, I
Speaker 1: can't give you. He's actually shell shocked right now.
Speaker 2: I am okay, I think you can get this one
Speaker 2: some detail. It's called Santa's Steakout.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: It's a family that's been trying to have a baby.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a cop and his girlfriend have just
Speaker 3: broken up.
Speaker 1: I mean there's always going to be a breakup or
Speaker 1: a single person finding love. These are all of them.
Speaker 1: So Santa's steak out, I'm gonna guess it had it's
Speaker 1: not criminal related. It's g rated. That was our mistake
Speaker 1: on this first one. And there it's a steak out
Speaker 1: because they want to see the real Santa or find
Speaker 1: out if Santa's so they're doing a steak out to
Speaker 1: watch on Christmas.
Speaker 3: Detective movie tropes. But the steakout is it's not crime,
Speaker 3: it's and they fought the kid.
Speaker 1: And they fall in love. Oh, I got it.
Speaker 3: It's two single parents, both with children who are skeptical
Speaker 3: about Santa Claus I like what Josh is doing, and
Speaker 3: therefore they steak out to prove to their children that
Speaker 3: Santa is real, and then they fall in love during
Speaker 3: the steakout.
Speaker 1: Can I just say something, Even if this guess is
Speaker 1: wildly off, Hallmark would fucking eat us up. They would
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: Josh, you got points because it is There is a
Speaker 2: police officer. Tanya is a rookie police officer paired up
Speaker 2: with a veteran Ryan Anderson. You needed to know his
Speaker 2: last name.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like knowing that it's very just
Speaker 1: Ryan Anderson. That's anativity.
Speaker 2: They need to go undercover as a married couple because
Speaker 2: there's a thief on the loose who is striking during
Speaker 2: holiday parties.
Speaker 1: Joe Pashi and Daniel Stern.
Speaker 2: Could be their main suspect is a friendly neighborhood Santa
Speaker 2: who has a criminal past. Oh so Ggie, if you
Speaker 2: can even fathom that they fall in love at the
Speaker 2: end they do.
Speaker 1: How crazy. He's the veteran and she's the rookie, and
Speaker 1: he's going to retire and she's like, well, I still
Speaker 1: have a whole career of He's like, I can't get
Speaker 1: away from this job.
Speaker 2: The spirit of Christmas brings them together.
Speaker 1: I would be in that. I would gladly play the
Speaker 1: Santa Claus criminal.
Speaker 2: One more, here we go A Christmas shoe?
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 2: A shoe atticts Christmas? Yep, this is a real.
Speaker 1: Shoe addicts Christmas? Is it?
Speaker 3: Michael from the Franklin Institute Party A rare collection of.
Speaker 1: Rare selection of sneaks. God, I don't even know to
Speaker 1: start with this one. No, Oh, there's a rare a
Speaker 1: rare shoe.
Speaker 3: Do we feel like that's yeah, it's like some really arrogant,
Speaker 3: egotistical business guy who collects shoes and he desperately needs
Speaker 3: this one special pair for Christmas, and he asks his girlfriend, maybe.
Speaker 1: That no, no, no, no no. The woman who owns it
Speaker 1: is who he falls in love with. Oh yeah, oh wait,
Speaker 1: you're saying, asked his girlfriend.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, ask his girlfriend. He's like, I don't need
Speaker 3: anything this Christmas except for this one shoe, and if
Speaker 3: you don't get it for me, we're done. And the
Speaker 3: person who owns it, yes, is another woman. And the
Speaker 3: girlfriend dumps him because she's like, fuck you in your shoes.
Speaker 1: And his overall lesson in the end is that love
Speaker 1: is more important than shoes. Yes, and they fall in love. Mane,
Speaker 1: do we get it?
Speaker 2: You got the love detail?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: And this person does love shoes. Okay. So Noel is
Speaker 2: a single lady with a stagnant career. Her real dream
Speaker 2: was to be a big time photographer, but after a breakup,
Speaker 2: she quit and now works in hr at a department store.
Speaker 2: One snow evening, she stays late and accidentally gets locked
Speaker 2: in after closing. While wandering through the shoe department, she
Speaker 2: meets a woman who says she's her guardian angel, played
Speaker 2: by Jean Smart.
Speaker 1: Oh see what I mean these celebs and.
Speaker 2: So Noel is rescued from this snowed in department store
Speaker 2: by a hunky fireman who is her love interest John Cena. Yes,
Speaker 2: but Jean Smart keeps reappearing with magic shoes to transport
Speaker 2: her to Christmas Pass and future, where she reflects on
Speaker 2: what's been holding her back.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're stepping up, like the budgets on,
Speaker 3: like bigger stars, more ambitious plot.
Speaker 1: Magic year is that? Uh?
Speaker 2: I think think it was a couple of year Lucy
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, right, so pre hacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. Noel is played by Candice Cameron Bureau, DJ
Speaker 2: from Full House.
Speaker 1: Married of Hockey. She's in a lot of them. I
Speaker 1: think I think she is. She's part of the rotation.
Speaker 1: She's in the rotation. It's very it's very Harlem globetrotters
Speaker 1: against the Washington what is it the senators or generals? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what a Hallmark movie is. It's the
Speaker 1: globetrotters versus the generals.
Speaker 2: It's globetrotters.
Speaker 1: For girls. It's right guys, and just to have one clear,
Speaker 1: we do believe that Globetrotters can be for everybody. We
Speaker 1: don't all agree. Those are lanes views, lanes views.
Speaker 2: This is where we get political, Lane, Allmark should be
Speaker 2: for girls.
Speaker 1: All of our episodes in with a political ramp that's
Speaker 1: unrelated to the two stories.
Speaker 3: Lane tariffs, Lane.
Speaker 2: I think we need more of them. I think we
Speaker 2: need more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. Let's tear let's bigger
Speaker 3: tariffund on those movies. I think we got it. On
Speaker 3: that note, Happy holidays, everybody. Rory's got to read his
Speaker 3: sides for the Hallmark audition.
Speaker 1: Stay safe out there, and if you see me in
Speaker 1: a Hallmark movie, note that that dream started on this.
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