1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast, The 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Draft Podcast, presented by Pepsi. Two days away from the 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: NFL Draft, we caught up with Suth Palantonio from ESPN. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: He won't be at the facility unfortunately, like he is 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: most years in the past. A good buddy of e 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: A's over here. He a great professional, good friend, uh, 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: and a hull of a reporter. You can watch South Pal. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: He's been doing this great work on ESPN, as he 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: always is. But this is NFL Matchup Draft Special Part 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: two actually comes out April, which is tonight, ten pm 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: ESPN two. He said, a certain young quarterback by the 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: name of Zack Wilson, who I think a lot of 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Jets fans I think is the future of their franchise, 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: will be featured heavily on this episode. And with the 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: draft being two days away, I think it's fair, you know, 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: maybe talk not not necessarily mock draft, but it sure 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: seems like Zach Wilson will be the pick for the 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: New York Jets. If you're reading the tea leaves from 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: the NFL draft analysts, Yeah, I think everybody thinks the 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: Jets are headed in that direction, and Zack Wilson is. 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: He's a supremely talented prospect who is coming off a 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: fantastic season at b YU. Whereas I think last year, 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: if we were having this conversation, maybe people would be 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: talking about Zack Wilson is a flyer on Day three, 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: maybe he's a fourth round pick, maybe he's a fifth 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: round pick. Because the athletic skills were always there, right, 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: and then he put it together last year with just 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: with just an amazing season, and he has very unique 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: skills that other people don't. Yeah, I feel like this 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: is becoming a trend in the draft where there's a 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: player that's maybe looked at as a Day three guy 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: and he soars up the draft board. Let's go to 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen Baker Mayfield. Now, I think at the 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: beginning of the season he was viewed maybe a third 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: round pick or so, and sure enough number one overall 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: pick two thousand nineteen Joe Burrow. Yeah, I think I'm 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: just think I'm saying that, right. I think my ears 38 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: are not crossed up? Right? Two thousand play last season 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: he was in Cincinnati, right, Okay, Well, here's drafts and 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: then Zack Wilson two thousand twenty one puts it together 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: soars up the draft boards. It's funny. We actually did 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: a chat on Reddit this morning, right, and one of 43 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: the questions, I think a couple of people were asking, 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: what's happened to Fields here? Why is he falling? And 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think he's falling just as much as 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: other people think very highly of other quarterbacks in this class, 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: and Fields probably going to be in all likelihood, he 48 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: will be a top ten pick himself. You're you're just 49 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: the two thousand twenty one draft is going to be 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: probably remember by what these quarterbacks do in ten years, 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: because you're ultimately gonna have five quarterbacks probably going to 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: top ten picks, right. And I don't think it would 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: surprise a lot of people if let's just say to 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: use justin Fields as an example, if he's a number 55 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: three overall pick, I don't think it's surprised certain group 56 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: of people if it was Matt Jones or Trey Lance either. 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: So I think that that this is what makes the 58 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: draft so great. Every year, you don't know what's gonna happen, 59 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: and it's truly a mystery even for the people who 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: are studying the draft from the beginning. Of the college 61 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: football season. So I think you never say never is 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: truly the like it's a saying that is used in 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: common everyday life, but it could not be more epitomized 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: than with the NFL Draft. So if me and you 65 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: go to mccool's down the street, a popular ice cream 66 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: joint here in Madison, okay, But if we go in 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: there and we're looking at ice cream, you might like 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: a flavor like a peanut butter chocolate chip, and I 69 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: might go for Sherbet or were here or something I 70 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: like orange Sherbert. Well you got a problem with it, No, 71 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I just it's not Oh yeah I do. I also 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: have a young daughter and she likes fruit and she 73 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: likes Herbert. Fair enough, when you said peanut butter chocola, 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: that sounds pretty good. Yeah, So that's what I gave 75 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: you though, when we just want here. But the point 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: is that we got two different flavors, even though we 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: went to the same place. And the point is what 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: what's gonna work for you? What you know, we're talking 79 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: about ice cream flavors, but four teams, what's us for 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: your system? What also are the physical traits you're looking 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: for in a player at that specific position, especially the 82 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: quarterback spot. Right. I think really for the Jets, the 83 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: intrigue comes after the number two pick because of your 84 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: ice cream analogy. We don't know what types of flavors 85 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: for each position the Jets wat and I think that's 86 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: in like a typical year. You know, if this, if 87 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: we're having this conversation next year, even we'd be like, oh, 88 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, we think the Jets like this that receiver. 89 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: If you look at what they did last year. Week, 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: we have nothing to basis on. So before we talk 91 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: about picks three and so on, let's hear from ESPN 92 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: South Palestonio. Now it's a little different not having you 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: in the building around the time of the draft. The 94 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: first night of the draft, we were just talking off air, 95 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: you said that, assuming the Jets are selecting a quarterback 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: at two, this is your fourth quarterback selection for the 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: New York Jets. Yes, I've covered all of them, going 98 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: back to Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Sam Donald. This will 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: be the fourth one, so hopefully they get it right 100 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: this time. Uh So, we've missed you throughout the off 101 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: season because we always catch up with you, whether it's 102 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: the NFL combine, the owners meetings. Uh. Last year you 103 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: worked the draft remotely for I think the first time 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: in a quarter century, right, How different? How different was 105 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 1: that for you? And what are the plans this year? Well, 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, I miss being at the facility. Like I said, 107 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: I've been at the Jets facility a lot with Todd 108 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: Bowle's head coach, Rex Ryan head coach. Uh. You know, 109 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I I go all the way back to being there 110 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: at we View Bank Hall at Hofsh University with Bill Parcels. 111 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I've covered a lot of Jets and Eric Mangini, I've 112 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: covered a lot of Jets first round picks over the 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: years for ESPN. Always did it in person. Then the 114 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: Jets have always treated me like one of their own. 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: You know, I get the royal treatment whenever I go 116 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: to Florham Park, whether it's from Bob of security or 117 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: the front desk people, or the cafeteria people, or Mike 118 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Tannenbaum or the coaches. The pr staff over the years 119 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: have always treated me great and really welcome ESPN. You know. 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: And when you Eric, when you cover a draft and 121 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: embedded with a team like that, you know, you're you 122 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: really feel like you're part of the process. You get 123 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: to talk to the coaches and the front office people, 124 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: and you really get an opportunity to see the inner 125 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: workings of what goes on with the football team, and 126 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: you get excited about it, first of all. Second of all, 127 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: you get to convey what you know inside information two 128 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: fans around the world, but especially to New York Jet fans. 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: And I don't have to remind you that I grew 130 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: up a Jet fan on Long Island. I went to 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Sawanaka High School and used to take my bike with 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: my brother Jimmy down to Jets practice at Hofstra all 133 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: the time watch practice. So you know, obviously it was 134 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: a huge thrill for me. Later in life, will to 135 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: get paid to do it instead of, you know, being 136 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: one of the kids along that days. It used to 137 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: have a white picket fence around the I remember it 138 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. They had a white picket fence 139 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: around the field and you just rode your bike up 140 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: and watch practice. It was the coolest thing in the world. 141 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: That is awesome. Yeah, I always loved talking to you that. 142 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: That is really something because, um, considering where you came 143 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: from and where you are now, how proud are you 144 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: of your career and what you've done in the National 145 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: Football League, because you just talked about it. Um. People 146 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: often say, hey, what do you most enjoy about being 147 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL? Are working specifically for the Jets, And 148 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: for me, it's always been relationships. And you're one of 149 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: the guys who I consider like extended Jets family because 150 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: you've been here so much, and I do feel like 151 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the Jets have been family to me. You know, whether 152 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: it was hanging out in Courtland with you for the 153 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: summer at Cibo. You know, we would go to Dougs 154 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: Fish Fry, played basketball together. It was fun to hang 155 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: around with Rex and Mike t and you know, all 156 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: the coaches and the players, and you know, I've I 157 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: really you know, that was one of the most memorable 158 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: summers I ever had as a reporter or a person 159 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: in relationships. But you know, going going to Hempstead, going 160 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: to Hofstow. We stopped it on Burdos to get a 161 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: slice on Hempstead Avenue, I'm sorry, a new high Park road, 162 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: and then then get on old Bison go down to 163 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: Hempstead Avenue and go watch practice. And you know, that 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: was the first football game I ever saw e a 165 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: in person. Me and my brother and my friends. We 166 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: took the train the Metro north to Yale Bowl and 167 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: watched the Jets and the Giants that Joe name had 168 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: played in that game. We had we had seats right 169 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: on the edge of the field. If you know, if 170 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: anybody knows around the Yale Bowl, it's it's literally a bowl. 171 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: And we sat right in the front row in the 172 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: end zone and we watched Joe Namath carved up the 173 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: New York Giants in that game. You know, I've I've 174 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: actually heard about the Yeale Bowl story from my grandmother 175 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: and Sally. We've never met or played basketball, but hey, 176 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: the reason why I'm bringing it up is because my 177 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: dad grew up going to Jets Vans and he remembers 178 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: the Yale Bowl clearly, and he told me about the 179 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: Yel Bowl, and um, he said that somebody he remembers 180 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: he has vivid memory leaving the Yelbowl and someone there 181 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: was a fence that had people wanted to get through 182 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: to get to their cars as a shortcuts, or someone 183 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: brought out wire cutters like out of nowhere, sniff the 184 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: fence and everyone just started funneling through there. So that's 185 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: how I know the Yell Bowl, but rad Jet fans tradition. Man, 186 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, do whatever it takes. Yeah, whatever it takes 187 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: you get in. You know what's interesting when you go 188 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: back to that ye bow, you think, Okay, Joe name 189 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: if they're still trying to find you know, the air 190 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: apparent to Joe Willie and um, it's it comes full circle. 191 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: It really does. Well. You know, we're gonna ask you 192 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: about a couple of quarterback prospects, but first you mentioned 193 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: playing hoops with e A. I'm just curious. What's the 194 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: scouting report here? Let me tell you something. He is 195 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: a strong young man. His solid as a rock. He listen, 196 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna turned in June. Okay uh. And I remember 197 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: getting beat up by him and eric I never complained. 198 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: You would hit me and hit me hard. And he's 199 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: got he packs a good inside foul on him when 200 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: you're trying to And I'll tell you what on the 201 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: other side of the coin, this guy can bring it. 202 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: He's got a nice game. And when you need a 203 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: dagg or three at the end, Salpell is gonna give 204 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: it to you. Eight ball corner pocket the key, top 205 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: of the key. I remember that game, Eric I was 206 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: on your team and you. You You tossed it out 207 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: to me and I hit. I hit a three at 208 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: the top of the key right over Mr. T. Remember that. 209 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what sale you know who you really? 210 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: Who really got going when we're playing those games. Aeron Glenn, 211 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the competitive juices of a G. He 212 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: was now the defensive coordinator with Detroit Lions, but obviously 213 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: a long time cornerback with the New York Jets. At first, 214 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: A G was kind of feeling his way out and 215 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: you could see his athleticism. Then after a little bit, 216 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: it was like he was playing the top receiver in 217 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: the National Football League. He started hitting me and I 218 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: he didn't think an old man was gonna hit him back. 219 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: It got real competitive, real quick, and I remember you 220 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: bringing me aside. He said, you know, that's a former 221 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: NFL player there. You might want you might want to 222 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: tone it down a little bit. And Seal was well equipped. 223 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: Not only was he knocking him down, but after the game, 224 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: like a good sport, he had his cooler and we 225 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: had a couple of pops on the court like that. 226 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: I like that. So, you know, South, how you mentioned 227 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna be home for this year's draft. But also 228 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: this year you have the NFL Matchup Draft Special Part 229 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: two is Tuesday, April PM on ESPN two. You have 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback that's gonna be in focus on that episode 231 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: who I think a lot of Jets fans believe will 232 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: be the future of their franchise and Jack will Pison. 233 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: What are year thoughts on Zack Wilson and Zack Wilson 234 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: specifically to the New York Jets. Well, I think Zack 235 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: Wilson has the potential to be the next Patrick Mahomes. 236 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: I think there's no question about that. He's got all 237 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: of those kinds of tools. He has incredible vision of 238 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: the field, he has a very quick release, he can 239 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: he's very accurate on the run. Uh. He is a 240 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: creative player and he can really rip it. You know. 241 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: I talked to Ron Jaworski about Zack Wilson, you know, 242 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: because I'm not a scout of a quarterback necessarily, I 243 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: did watch a little bit of film on him, but 244 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of it with Ron Jaworski. Uh, 245 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: you know who of course I'm very close friends with 246 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: from on days at ESPN, and he is super high 247 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: on Zack Wilson. You know um. The bottom line, though, 248 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: is this for me, the biggest lesson from the twenty 249 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: NFL season, which was remarkable and I was on the 250 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: road for the entire time. The biggest lesson comes out 251 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: of two places, one the Cincinnati Bengals and two the 252 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Bucks. Let's start with the Cincinnati Bengals. They 253 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: drafted a rookie quarterback and they didn't protect him. They 254 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: put him into empty sets, they didn't run the ball 255 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: well or often enough, and they left Joe Burrow out 256 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: on an island. And they didn't teach Joe Burrow that 257 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: at the pro game, you must get rid of the 258 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: ball in two point five seconds or less. That doesn't 259 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: matter how good your offensive line is or your protection packages. 260 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: You can't hold up the rush in the NFL for 261 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: more than really two and a half to three seconds. 262 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of college quarterbacks, especially young ones, especially 263 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: first round picks, think they have to do it all 264 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: and they hold onto the ball and want to make 265 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: the best possible player the biggest play that's on the field. 266 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: You can do that in college. You can't do that 267 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And Burrow got decimated. It's 268 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: sacked repeatedly wound up leaving this the season with a 269 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: gruesome leg injury and Hill. Of course we hope be back, 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: but they have to obviously fix their protection in the 271 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: quickest way to fix your protection is not to really 272 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: fix your offensive line per se, although that helps certainly, 273 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: but it's to teach that young man and the offensive 274 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: coordinator La Fleur that you have there is a smart 275 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: guy and hopefully he's figured this out. You must protect 276 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: the quarterback right now in the National Football League less 277 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: than number two from the Bucks. The Tampa Bay Bucks 278 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: protected Tom Brady in Super Bowl and he won the game. 279 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs could not protect Patrick Mahomes and 280 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: they lost a forty three year old quarterback beat the 281 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: reigning NFL m v P because one was protected and 282 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: one was not. And Eric, look at the numbers that 283 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: we got from ESPN Stats and information in and this 284 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: is the key final point here in NFL defensive coordinators 285 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: brought the blitz of the time. That's a five year high. 286 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: The blitz is coming. It's coming at a high rate 287 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: than an historically high rate. You must protect the quarterback, 288 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: especially young ones, and the way to teach them to 289 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: protect themselves is hut Hut ball is snapped one Mississippi 290 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: to Mississippi, ball is out. That's the key. And I 291 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: hope that Zach Wilson and La Fleur and the rest 292 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: of that offensive coaching staff teach that to Wilson and 293 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: get this ball, the ball out of that young man's 294 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: hands as quickly as possible. You always bring the juice 295 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: with the stats. Those are good numbers and uh, good 296 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: points about both this is Andy Bengals and the Tampa 297 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers and the other under the spectrum when you're 298 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: in the film room with Jaws cell, how rare is 299 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: that arm strength that you're seeing from Wilson Because people 300 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: talk about how the ball just explodes off his hands. 301 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: It's just he's got obviously a quick release. But uh, 302 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about him throwing the ball seventy 303 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: yards down the field, but him just getting it to 304 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: spaces quicker than other people. There's no question that he 305 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: has credible velocity on the ball. His spin rate is 306 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: extraordinarily high. Uh. And he seems to be pretty accurate. 307 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's college accurate. Now I'll have to see 308 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: if he's NFL accurate. Um, you know. And the reason 309 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: why I used those numbers, Eric, is not because I'm 310 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: an analytics guy. It's because it matches up with what 311 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: happened in the NFL last season. Remember, the overall overriding 312 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: number one lesson of was quarterback protection. Those quarterbacks that 313 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: were not protected either got hurt or failed, and those 314 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that were protected. And you look, let's go back 315 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: to the Bucks for a second. Byron left which and 316 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: Bruce Arians changed the offense to a short passing game 317 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: in the second half of the year. They used six 318 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: offensive linemen at the highest percentage of any team in 319 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: the NFL, and two tight end sets. They were determined 320 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: to protect Brady, knowing that everybody and his brother was 321 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: blitzing Brady off the bus. And so I think that's 322 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: the way Brady survived and flourished in the second half 323 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: of the season. It's certainly the way he went on 324 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: the road and won three straight playoff games and then 325 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl because he was protected. Breezes wasn't, 326 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: and Rogers wasn't, and Mahomes was not in Super Bowl. 327 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: Sal you've been here from Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Sam 328 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Donald and whoever that quarterback will be at number two 329 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of us think that it will be 330 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson. And when I say us, I mean Jets Nation. 331 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: But I'm curious from your perspective, let's use Wilson as 332 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: the example. From a kid coming from Provo, Utah to 333 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: the bright lights of New York City. How do you 334 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: think he will fare and what changes for a college 335 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: kid going to the pros from wherever that may be, 336 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: whether it's West Virginia or USC or any school in 337 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: the country to New York City. It's a very good question. 338 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: It's a hard one to answer, and I really don't 339 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: want to compare Zack Wilson to Donald sanchezar Gino Smith 340 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: because he's his own person and he's going to have 341 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: to stand on his own. Just hearing him talk and 342 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: knowing his family background, it sounds like to me that 343 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson will flourish in the moment, But you never know, 344 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: because the bottom line is, you've got a two and 345 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: eleven team that was lasting the league in points score, 346 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: You've got a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback, 347 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: and you're basically starting over. And so what the team 348 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: and the organization must do is relieve the pressure and 349 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: make sure that it is spread evenly. And this is 350 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: what I know about Robert Sala. I think Sala understands that, 351 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons why the Jets were 352 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: so hot on hiring him. Sala has a big personality, 353 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: who's going to set the tone and take the pressure 354 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: off of this quarterback. I think that's super important. The 355 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: more that Sala can absorb the pressure and the spotlight, 356 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: the less it will be on Wilson at the beginning 357 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: and allow Wilson to sort of incorporate himself into the 358 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: National Football League. But there's two really important factors here. 359 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: One is when you're starting a rookie quarterback in remember 360 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: we're going to seventeen games. All rookies hit a wall 361 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: because you know, for the most part, their season is 362 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: over pretty much after Thanksgiving. Now you're playing an extra 363 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: five six weeks of football. So they're gonna have to 364 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: make sure that all across the roster on all NFL teams, 365 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: but particularly those teams that are using rookies heavily like 366 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: the Jets, will that you know, I hate to use 367 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: this word this term, but load management will be crucial. 368 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: You don't want to put too much on rookies in 369 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: a seventeen game schedule. That's a very good point about 370 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: the seventeen game schedule. That change is the equation everywhere. 371 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 1: It absolutely does. You know, you gotta find sixth eric, 372 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: you gotta find sixty seventy eight five snaps during the year, 373 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: or you just take a guy off the field now 374 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, now on the fourth quarter of Europe. 375 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: By twenty you're pulling your starters out. You're not letting 376 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: them finish. You want to get them rests. You don't 377 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: want them to get hurt in a meaningless situation. There's 378 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of that in the National Football League, 379 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: and tangentially parenthetically, that's gonna affect gambling you watch and 380 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: fantasy football on the surface, getting back to what you 381 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: said about protecting and helping a young quarterback grow, about 382 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: the offense you're gonna run and and and how you 383 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: are ultimately going to help this guy succeed if it 384 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: is indeed Wilson, this is the first time offensive coordinator 385 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: in Mike la Fleur, but he comes up in the 386 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: Shanahan system. Was with Kyle Shanahan not only San Francisco, 387 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: but in Atlanta, do you like this system? Who obviously 388 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: have his own imprint on it, because he's gonna be 389 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: calling the shots, calling the place. But in terms of 390 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: going back and looking what they did in San Francisco 391 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: and in Atlanta, using a powerful run game, getting after 392 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: people in the trenches, and then getting the quarterback out 393 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: on the move, sometimes with the boots, and then doing 394 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: some play action down the field. I do. I like 395 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: it a lot. It's successful, it's proven to be successful 396 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: at the highest levels. But you have to have the 397 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: personnel to run it, and the quarterback's got to buy in, 398 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: and um, you know that's gonna be a process that's 399 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: going to take place as soon as they draft the quarterback. 400 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: And I do agree that it will be Zack Wilson. 401 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a mystery. So you know, they 402 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: have five picks in the top one hundred. Okay, they 403 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: got to sixties six and eighties six. So with the 404 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: second pick, they pick a quarterback. At twenty three, in 405 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: my view, they should pick an offensive lineman. They need 406 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: another young studs starting offensive lineman, and then with thirty 407 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: four take a running back and if they like a 408 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: running back that's sitting there earlier, than thirty four. Don't 409 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: be afraid to use some of this draft capital that 410 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas has accumulated. They got twenty one picks over 411 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: the next two drafts. If they're sitting there at thirty 412 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: four e A and they've already got the offensive alignment, 413 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: and they like another running back, a pass catching running 414 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: back who can give the floor and Wilson options because 415 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: you've got to have options to get the ball out quickly. 416 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: That's what I would do, is I would move up 417 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: and take a running back, or move up and take 418 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: a tight end or a wide receiver. But if they 419 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: can get you know, it reminds me of that draft 420 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: where Pennington was in it, where you know you you 421 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: could take three top flight players that could have you 422 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: was Pennington, Abraham and Anthony wasn't there Anthon Anthony Back. 423 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: There's a two thousand class the four aces, the four 424 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: aces you had Pennington, John Abraham, Sean Alice, Anthony Back 425 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: and so you know, you look at that draft, I 426 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: mean that's the four aces, right, so you could get 427 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: at least three aces. Uh. Here with this there's a 428 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: lot of draft capital, and I do think again going 429 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: back to the overall big picture theme of where this 430 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: team is at two and eleven with a rookie head 431 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: coach and a rookie quarterback probably starting week one. The 432 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: idea is to line up and give that young quarterback 433 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: quick options off the ball so that he if they're 434 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: in a passing situation, he gets the ball out quickly. 435 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: It's third and medium, third and six, third and seven, 436 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: he can get the ball out quickly. Or if you're 437 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: going play action, you know, um on second down or 438 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: first down, play action. But if you're on second down 439 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: and your second and short, now you have a running 440 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: back who can run behind uh Beckton or another offensive 441 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: lineman that you twin with him. But I think the 442 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: key is ball distribution and options for a young quarterback 443 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: so that he remains protected. And also, in the two 444 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: thousand draft, what some people referred to as the fifth 445 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: ace in the third round, not too bad of a 446 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: receiver from the New York Jets. Talk talk about strong 447 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: and that dude was strong. Yeah, yes he was, and 448 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: he was pretty darn good player for the Jets. Up 449 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned trading up and Joe Douglas last 450 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: year obviously didn't have the same capital that he does 451 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: entering not only this year's draft, but next year. So 452 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: we saw some trading back. But I like what you 453 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: said about trading up, and you know, do you think 454 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: that that is a possibility for the Jets to use 455 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: some of that capital and leap frog a couple of 456 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: teams to get you know, let's just use the term 457 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: we've been using another ace for the Jets. Well, I 458 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: think this is Joe Douglas's draft win or lose. This 459 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: is his legacy in the line, right. He made the 460 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: big bet to stay at two and pick a quarterback. 461 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: He probably could have auctioned off that pick for a 462 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: motherload of picks, but they realized they didn't want to 463 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: get into a money deal with Sam Donald, and so 464 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: they're starting over a quarterback. I think it's smart in 465 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: my view. I think Zack Wilson. This is me talking 466 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: based on my reporting. I think Zach Wilson has a 467 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: greater upside than Sam Donald at this point in his career. 468 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: I did not see enough out of Sam Donald to 469 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: tell me that in the end, who will be better 470 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: than Zach Wilson. So I think it was the right 471 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: move to make, for sure. But it's a big bet. 472 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: Let's face it, it's a big bet for Joe Douglas 473 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: and the organization. And you know, the fan base has 474 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: been long suffering. Uh, you've got the Patriots on their heels, 475 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: You've got the Bills rising, the Dolphins rising. This is 476 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: the time to make you move right now. Great stuff 477 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: from Sal. I've never met Sal, but he seems like 478 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: a great guy. I've now met him virtually. I'm surprised 479 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: you've never met him because you've been with us for 480 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: five six years now. Yeah, but typically when he's here, 481 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: you know, for the draft, and he's busy, and you know, 482 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: you you catch up with him and I don't want 483 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: to bother him, and so that next time, next time 484 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: he's here. Yeah, he's he's a legend in this industry, 485 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, you look at his career. He's 486 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: been in a ESPN for more than years. Well said, 487 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: And I think that we do have to talk about 488 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: pick twenty three and thirty four. You want to give 489 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: names that you like, you want to give, you want 490 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: to do, Uh, who you think is going to be 491 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: the pick? Can you tell me whatever you want to do? 492 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm open for Well, I'm not avoiding the question. What 493 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: I would say is it's hard for me to deliver 494 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: a pick at twenty three when I don't know the 495 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: group of players that are there. And that's the exercise 496 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: that we are going to be doing on the Jets 497 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: Draft Countdown final episode delivered by Duncan, so everybody can 498 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: watch it on Jets platforms because myself, you, Anthony Back, 499 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Derrick Coleman are going to go through the exercise where 500 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: you have five six players and it's up to us 501 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: to pick a selection there. I've de zeroed in on 502 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Joe Douglas said he wants to 503 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: surround his young quarterback with as much talent as possible. 504 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Douglas has also reiterated time and time again that he 505 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: wants to have a fortress up front along the offensive line. 506 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: He wants to be I have a lot of depth 507 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: in talent and defensive line that it's big inside the trenches. 508 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: But the three areas that pop out to me with 509 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: this draft in the New York Jets, I'll just go 510 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: there and say offensive line makes a lot of sense. 511 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: Then on the other side of the ball, defensive line, 512 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: specifically edge cornerback. I ink, I definitely agree with everything 513 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: you said. One position that gets overlooked and We've said 514 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: it multiple times on the podcast, and I'm gonna keep 515 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: hitting this home is linebacker, not because of the draft, 516 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: but because the Jets have only a handful of linebackers 517 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: on the roster right now and switching from the four 518 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: three to the three four. I think maybe that is 519 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: the like if I were to ask you to power 520 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: rank what you think, like the biggest needs are not 521 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: necessarily who should be pick thirty four, But if you 522 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: were to say one of the Jets or power rank 523 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: the Jets biggest needs, I would think there's an argument 524 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: to me made that one A or one B could 525 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: be linebacker. And I think it's fair You're gonna add linebackers, right, 526 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm not saying but that's my point 527 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: on this is, I don't know we're gonna find out, 528 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: to your point philosophically, where not only Joe Douglas stands, 529 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: but the meshing of him with the Robert Slick coaching 530 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: staff in their systems as far as picking players for 531 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: those specific systems, and where is the value Now, could 532 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: they take a quarterback linebacker? They are taking a quarterback early, 533 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: could they take a linebacker? Early. Yes, I'd be surprised 534 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: by it the first two or three packs. No, because 535 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: that falls into the category of we're gonna do everything 536 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: we can to help our young quarterback to succeed. And 537 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we get wrapped up into running backs 538 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: and think of them. And we talked about this multiple 539 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: times where I think people are like, oh, you're just 540 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna handle this guy at the ball. Well. The thing 541 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: about et N specifically early in the draft is I 542 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: think you would be a system fit. And talked to 543 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler about this, and it's also like adding an 544 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: extra receiver for a young quarterback. Yeah, and you know, 545 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: I know we both liked this player, but you look 546 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: at some of the running backs later to one guy 547 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: stands out. Kenneth Gainwell also offers that receiving threat. I 548 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: think that there are so many different options, and I 549 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: just feel silly because I feel like we've been saying 550 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: this for weeks now, but there are so many options 551 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: at twenty three and it's really all gonna shake out 552 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: and you can move up. And we talked about it, 553 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: if you like somebody who's starting to fall, and it 554 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: could potentially happen because you're talking about the top time, 555 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: but five quarterbacks going a couple of receivers at least 556 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts, so throw the gator out there. So 557 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: so who who potentially, let me ask you this, who 558 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: potentially could you see slide at little bit further down 559 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: where you think, well that might ring a bell around 560 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: here where maybe you'd consider going up, because I don't 561 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: think you just go up to go up. Let's just 562 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: put it that way to me. I think the guy 563 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: that stands out is Elijah Frreck Tucker. Mike t talked 564 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: about offensive line protecting the quarterback on our previous podcast, 565 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: South Palontonio talked about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers winning the 566 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowl because they protected Tom Brady and the Chiefs 567 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: to not protect Patrick Mahomes. Elijah Vera Tucker is considered 568 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: the best interior offensive lineman in this class. So if 569 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: you're the Jets and you like Vera Tucker and he 570 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: gets past the Giants out of eleven, I was just 571 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna ask you, what's the point here, because I don't 572 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: think he's getting past fifteen. So I I heard today 573 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: on a different podcast, actually, Dame Brugler's podcast with Lanzerline 574 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: The over under seventeen and a half because and he 575 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: was saying, well, who's that seventeen? He Las Vegas Raiders 576 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: who lost Trent Brown, Gabe Jackson, and Rodney Hudson. So 577 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: could they be in play for someone like Elijah Vera Tucker. Well, 578 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: I think that if the Jets wanted to make that move, 579 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: I think they definitely could. I think that's a guy 580 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: that stands out. I also wanted to say that the prospect. 581 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: I will say that any guy that is very good, 582 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: the dominant a garden then as I has to play 583 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: left tackle and does it better than anybody out there 584 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: in the like for example, if J. C. Horne started 585 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: falling into teams, I don't know if the Jets would 586 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: make that call. Yeah, well one, I literally do not know. 587 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: But to I don't know if it makes sense to 588 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: me where you could sit there at twenty three still 589 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: got a good corner or get a different defensive player. 590 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: And I will say, in terms of trading up with 591 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: the ammunition, the Jets have a thirty four pick, gap 592 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: pick thirty four pick sixty six thirty two, excuse me, 593 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: And maybe with that extra third round pick, the Jets 594 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,479 Speaker 1: might be inclined to get back up in the second round. 595 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: If a player starts falling somewhere in the second round. 596 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: I just think that that is also a possibility because 597 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: the Jets have not only two thirds, but two fifths 598 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: as well, and they got to six. Caleb Farley is 599 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: a intriguing name to me because we've seen him all 600 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: over the place. How did he check got medically? Not 601 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: only here but for all the teams because he shoot, 602 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: he's a guy who could go as highs eleven. He 603 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: could drop out of the first round. We'll be sitting 604 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: here on Friday and talking about Farley being in the 605 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: second round with Phillips, right, Jalen Phillips, How am I end? 606 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: What surprise? What it surprise you? Jalen Phillips went fifteen 607 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: or fifty? I mean, obviously that would be medical. There 608 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: would be medical concerns out of came to be true 609 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: most likely in that scenario. Yeah, for some teams, that 610 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: might be. I would be surprised if he went to 611 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: the other side of that. I think it's closer to fifteen. 612 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that for sure. 613 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: I think that there's so many different scenarios. I will 614 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: say that the one thing I do want to do 615 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, a little fun game here as we wrap up, 616 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: because this is the final episode before the draft. And actually, look, 617 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: let's give a quick preview of what's to come after 618 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: each night of the draft. Myself, E. A. Anthony Becks, 619 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: and Eric Coleman will all break down the Jets selections 620 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: after each day of the draft. So we'll be back 621 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturday, and we're gonna do 622 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: three podcasts and then we're gonna recap the whole thing, 623 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: So you gotta stay tuned for that. But with that 624 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: being said, I need to know because we can revisit 625 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: this who do you think Friday Thursday night will be 626 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: the Jets second and twenty three overall selections? Not necessarily 627 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: who you like, but I figured you even want to 628 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: play this game. No, I'll take two. You can take good. Good. Thanks, 629 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, b Why you the Carters turned in? God? 630 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Who do I think? That's? 631 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: That's It's well same with twenty three. It's tough, right 632 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: because we don't know the board, and and as much 633 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: as we just discussed about trading up, a trade down 634 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: might be the play too. If you head, if there's 635 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: a drop off after a certain points, there's there's a 636 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: few guys that go off, and then you have a 637 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: big group of players together. And I always give the 638 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: example of MEM's last year. But on the surface, initially 639 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: that looks like it worked out really good for the Jets. 640 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: So do you think I can give a name? Go ahead, 641 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: Eileen Edge if it's defense, and I'm gonna say a 642 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: zz Augillarry out of Georgia. Don't it make sense? Listen, 643 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: defense alignement. You can never have enough bodies and he 644 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: can never have enough past which he guys off the edge. 645 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: Carl Lawson for a nice defensive line to Carl Lawson 646 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: fourth round pick out an Auburn a few years back. Um, 647 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, Agilar might be the first edge off the 648 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: board one And if the Jets took him in twenty three, 649 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: he could be you know, he could be that guy 650 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: or is it they forementioned Jalen Phillips or is it 651 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: Gregory Russol were so might be a fine in the 652 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: second round for somebody, say with Jason oh A if 653 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: you really love his traits over his Yeah, that's the 654 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: other thing that we got talking about again. We're gonna 655 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: hammer that home is that these guys are gonna get 656 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: here Rookie Minicamp and then they start a new stage 657 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: and we can't think about any of these prospects as 658 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: finished materials two years old. They're coming two the respective 659 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: organizations are starting their career, and that's when the best 660 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: coaching staffs take the players and they make them into 661 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: something they envisioned when watching on tape, these guys that 662 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: you're seeing on college film. It's good. It's just one 663 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle. That's how we wrap up the 664 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: last episode before the Draft again April Thursday night. We'll 665 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: be here Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday. We're breaking down 666 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: each round with Eric Coleman and Anthony Beck. That's all 667 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: we have on this episode of the Official Jets Podcast, 668 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: The Draft Podcast, presented by Pepsi