WEBVTT - CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD - Cheese Toast & Tea 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.280 Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:05.680 I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.520 special guests Charlemagne the God in the building. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:18.720 Y'all, Queen Wit, what's happening? 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.760 What's going on? How do you feel? 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.600 Charlemagne the God also known as hip Hop's Howard Starn really, 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.839 best selling author of books Black Privilege, Shook One, and 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.880 most recently, Get Honest or Die Lion Why small Talk Sucks. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.440 In addition to all these accolades, you have invested close 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.360 to thirty years in the radio broadcasting industry. You're the 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.600 founder of the Black Effect podcast network. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.160 Where you can listen to Eating whild Broke, where. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.280 You can which you yourself is literally the only reason 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.760 why we're able to do this interview. In addition to 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.560 all that, you are the creative of Black Privileged Publishing. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:07.959 I read this quote. I was hanging out at my 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.160 dad's apartment. He had this quote on the wall and 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.639 I took it. And the whole irony in this quote 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.840 is that he actually took it from me. But I 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.520 read this quote and I thought of you. Excellence is 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.640 never an accident. It is always a result of high 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:26.120 intention sincere effort, intelligent direction, skillful execution, and the vision 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.240 to see obstacles as opportunities. Now I thought of you 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.480 because just reading all your books, I was like, personally 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:38.000 and professionally, it seems like that has been your journey. Absolutely, absolutely, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.760 So I gotta ask, what is the broke dish that 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.200 you would have had us eating in my studio? 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.680 If I really don't know. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.160 I was racking my brain when they kept telling me, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.640 and I watched the show and I'm like, they kept 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.320 you know, you got to have a broke dish, and 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.200 I'm like, I didn't really have a broke dish coming up. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.800 And the reason I say that is because even though 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.280 we were poor, I didn't realize we were poor until 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.320 I got older, because you know, I grew up in 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.520 Monks Corner, South Carolina, and you know, when you grow 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.760 up in a ruined area like that, everybody is pretty 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.919 much doing the same. Like, you know, you might have 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.960 a couple of individuals who got a house that's better 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.360 than yours, but for the most part, people were growing 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.280 up in double wide trailers and we're growing up in 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.200 you know, like small subvern homes like my grandma used 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.600 to have. But the one thing that we always had 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:33.280 was food in funny food, funny and family, literally you know. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.120 So it's like the things that people would call broke 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.000 meals or the things that I still love now. Like 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.239 I love grits and eggs. You give me some scrambled 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.280 eggs with some grits and butter, I'm good. Like my 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.200 grandma used to make this. She used to make cheese toast. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.320 So she would just take the toast. My mouth started 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:51.920 water and thinking about it. She would just take the 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.040 toast and like you know, put the butter on the 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.760 center and then put a slice of cheese and literally 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.959 warm that up. And I would drink that with a 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.360 cup of tea. And now that I think about it, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.040 I'm like, oh, that was like the meals that they 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.320 were giving us because that's what they could afford to 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.119 give us, like even you know, but it was amazing 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.080 that it still tasted good. Like it don't make me 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:16.360 feel like something. It's something that I still enjoy now. Yeah, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.520 you know, so to me, that's not It might be 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.000 a broke dish, but I still love it. 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.760 I love hearing guests say that they were broke but 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.120 they didn't realize they were broke. But in those types 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.160 of cities, what I did notice is that, yeah, everyone 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.360 looked the same. But what differentiated kids from knowing whether 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.799 they were broke was at least I don't know, we're 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.200 close in age, but it was the like kicks, like 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.200 were you going to school with the cool kicks or something? 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:40.440 So or nah? 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.040 I had none of those. My dad. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.840 I remember, I wanted they used to be these boots 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.760 called high tech boots, and my dad they saw the 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.280 bootleg version that pay less, and I wanted them so 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.680 bad that I'm like, y'all get the bootleg version that pay. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.520 Less, and they didn't. The kids didn't noticing me. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.800 Well, no, I woke up one morning and my dad 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.880 had the high tech sitting by my bed. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.800 So I was like, oh, shoot, you know what I mean. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.360 So I actually had the real you know, all black 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.440 high texts, you know, So I didn't have like the 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.040 Jordans and all of that stuff like that. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:10.680 I don't. I don't even what kind of sneakers did 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:11.360 I have back then. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.760 I'm saying in that environment, that wasn't the thing that 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.359 differentiated a poor kid from it because in those environments, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:21.280 everyone's technically in the same economic structure. But I remember 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.040 growing up in upstate New York where even though we 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.200 were all kind of in the same category, there were 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.560 some kids that would go to school wearing Jordan's or Nikes, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.200 and then they would look at the kids and say, 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.159 we're payless and be like, okay, you're poor. And that's 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.760 how as a child you knew you were poor. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.440 But the people who had the Jordans and stuff when 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.080 I was growing up with the drug dealers for the 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.520 most part, you know, I mean, either the drug dealers 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.760 are like the football players because you know, people in 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.560 their minds like all these people are going places, so 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.679 you know, let me throw them some shoes or something 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.880 like that. But for the most part, the drug dealers 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.280 had to fly kicks that I remember, you know, growing up, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.440 I don't even remember what I didn't. I'm trying to 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:59.920 sit in and try, like what did I wear back then? 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.880 Sneak awise, I had some converse because you know, Snoop 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.719 Dogg came out in like ninety two ninety three, so 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.360 we had the converse all stars. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.920 You know, That's all I can really think of. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.080 So take me back to the cheese toast, which, by 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:13.840 the way, I did have On the show, someone had 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.040 did it with sugared. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.440 Mine was strat cheese toast to butter with a slice 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.239 of cheese, cup of tea. That's what my grandmother would 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:23.640 give us. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.440 And I can even still right now think about that, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.960 that feeling of having that, like it was just an 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.920 amazing meal. I can't remember that. That wasn't even breakfast. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.160 That might have just been like, yo, you just got 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.000 home from school. You might get some cheese toast with 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.240 a cup of tea, you know, definitely, like I said, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:42.520 gritch and eggs for breakfast. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.760 And you keep referencing your grandma's house. Is there a 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.200 reason because did you stay with her? 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:49.080 No? 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.000 Well, when I was young, my mother, my mother was 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:54.919 a school teacher, you know, and my grandmother was a 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.120 lunch lady. Right, so you know, I grew up in 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.400 the air when you was in fifth grade, you know, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.560 you get get I could get dropped off a my 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.520 grandma house and wait there till the adults come. And 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.200 you know, I would never dare do that with my 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.520 kids now, but you know, just back then, life was different. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.720 So I would literally wait till my mom came home 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.120 from school. So I spent so much time you know, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.720 at my grandmother's house. Like, so, yeah, I spent a 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.040 lot of time over there. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.520 Okay, and then take me through to at least fast 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.240 forward to like your first walk of I want to 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.600 get into entertainment or in that direction. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.719 My grandmother's house, sitting outside while they were waiting waiting 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.839 for my mom and my grandma to get home, and like, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.560 when I was young, it used to seem like it 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.279 was this huge field between my grandmother's house and my 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.159 cousin Gloria's house. But the field really isn't that big now, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:47.720 But when I was younger, I used to feel like 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.240 it was really big, and I. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.240 Would just be out there acting like I was performing. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.880 Like I literally would be facing the field, acting like 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.680 that field was full of full of people, and I 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.320 would be either be acting like I was, you know 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.400 at a certain doing rock and roll. At certain points, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.560 I was just giving like speeches, and then like you know, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.280 as I started to getting hip hop, I started to 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.200 act like I was rapping to a crowd. So that 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.040 was my first Uh, I guess that's when the bug 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.520 kind of hit me. Like, y'all want to entertain in 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:16.680 some way, shape or form. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.800 Did you see or hear it somewhere and then it 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.600 like touched you. Was it like maybe per Like I 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.040 remember when I was a kid, I would see Michael 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.040 Jackson performing. People pass out and I'd be like, oh 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.800 my god, like that's incredible. Was there something like that 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.800 that touched you to get you out into that field? 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.640 Nah, I just think that. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.760 You know, my dad used to play music a lot, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.920 and you know, there was always albums lying around, so 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.760 you would just see those people and they used to 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.560 look they used to look cool, you know. I used 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.480 to I'm a big cartoon guy to this day. So 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.160 I used to like watch a lot of ThunderCats and. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.600 Oh my god, the ThunderCats. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.840 Thundercast and it was there was a spin off with 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.000 the ThunderCats. I think it was the silver Fish or 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.040 something like that. Maybe I'm bugging, but I remember, or 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.720 maybe it was or maybe it was something with birds, 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.280 you know, the cats. The ThunderCats were cat, but then 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:01.840 it was it was a spin off show that was 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.680 either Birds of Fish. I don't remember which one it was, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.000 but I remember like I would have this imagination that 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.160 I was. You know, it's gonna sound crazy, but I 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.960 was an animal like figure and I had a band 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.520 behind me that was all those animal humanoids and we 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.320 were like this group, And I don't know why I 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.360 would go out in the yard and perform as this 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:23.920 group all the time. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.080 So imagination at its best, that's what. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.880 That's all it was. So it's like, yeah, so then 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:29.320 what was. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.720 That big, next big milestone? After you know you're performing, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.280 you kind of have this like love affair with performing. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.120 What was that next big milestone or pivotal moment where 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.880 you said maybe I should actually push a button and 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:43.920 take it a step further. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.719 Well, for radio, it started with me getting an internship. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.920 That's why I think internships are so important. And I 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.920 got an internship when I was eighteen years old in Charleston, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.800 South Carolina. And the reason I was able to get 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.600 that internship is because I always tell people, man, stop 0:08:58.679 --> 0:08:59.199 acting like. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.200 You know, and just ask questions. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.040 So I've always been a question ask her right, Like, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.839 if there's something that I'm interested in, something I don't 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.400 know nothing about, I just asked questions about it, a 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.600 lot of questions because you know, when you ask a 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.319 lot of questions, you know you'll get you'll get answers. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.000 So I just simply asked my man. His name was 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.880 Willy Will because he used to work as Z ninety 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.600 three Jams in Charleston, South Carolina, and we used to 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.840 rap together. Well, let me, I need to take a step. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.400 Back, right. Rap is what we all thought. 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.120 Was gonna get us out of the hood right when 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.360 you was young, because when you looked on television or 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.559 you looked in magazines, the people who looked like you, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.920 who were successful Black people were usually in rap are 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.600 some form of entertainment, are in athletics. So I always 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.120 thought rap was gonna take me out of the hood. I 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.480 love to write, always been a writer, so I just 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.600 started turning those stories I was writing into into raps. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.040 But I was never good in the booth, so I 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.840 would like, go in the booth. I couldn't like catch 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.280 the bead stuff like that, you know what I mean? 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.240 Like that, I just could never do it. But I 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.600 was always good at writing, good at helping people pick songs, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.720 stuff like that. And Willie Will was a guy who 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.720 could rap. He could actually he sounded really good. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:02.679 You know, in the booth. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.360 And I just asked him how did he get in 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.959 the radio, and he was like, yeah, I got an internship. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.280 And I was like, Yo, it's dadd easy. I could 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:10.680 just go down there and get an internship. And he 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.600 was like, yeah, like I gotta be in school or nothing, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.000 because in my mind, you got to be seeing. He 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.199 was like, no, this is nineteen ninety eight, Charles the 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.280 South Carolina. So that's what I did. I drove down 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.800 there and I got an internship, and literally they gave 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.960 me then internship and that's how I got into the 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:24.680 radio game. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.839 So rap is what. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.000 Made me feel like, Okay, this is gonna get me 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:34.360 out the hood. And then that ultimately led me to radio, 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.960 which was what changed my life. And you know, I 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.120 had a great mentor named doctor Robert Evans. You know, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.080 I talk about him all the time. You know, in 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.360 my first book, I got a chapter called fuck your dreams, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.080 you know, if they're not your dream right, because a 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.920 lot of times we see things working for other people 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.360 and we say, oh, we want to do that too, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.360 but that's not what God has meant for you. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.960 So doctor Evans told me, he was like, Yo, you suck. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.839 As a rapper, but you are an amazing radio personality 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.360 and if you focus on radio, you could be one 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.480 of the best that ever did it. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.080 And he literally said that to me, and I took 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:03.600 his advice. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.920 So I don't like to jump around, but it's the 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.720 irony and you saying that that was the advice you got. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.760 But then in Get Honest or Die Lying, you actually 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.199 talk about doing the opposite in regards to. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.959 Your daughters astronaut kids. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.400 You still though, cherish that that moment of honesty. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.120 Well, astronaut kids. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:28.880 You know, in the new book is a chapter I 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.679 did with my man, Elliott Connie, who's a psychotherapist, and 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.160 you know, it's about the astronaut kid theory, like if 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.559 your child comes to you and your child says, hey, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.000 I want to be an astronaut. You know, you don't say, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.840 all that's impossible, you'll never be an astronaut, blah blah blah. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.719 You tell them, okay, so how we're going to get 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.640 it done? You know, you pour into them, you encourage them. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.240 And I also talk about, you know, in Black Privilege, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.160 about how I had a family member when I was 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.600 just sitting around talking about all my dreams, talking about 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.040 everything I want to accomplish, they told me not to 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.199 set my goal. So because if I don't accomplish him, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.839 I'm gonna be hurt, and I literally said to that person, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.720 that is the stupidest shit I ever heard in my life, because. 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:08.720 I really felt that way. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.040 And with astronaut kids, when a child comes to you 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:14.720 and they say they want to be something, you should 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.280 pour into them. I still do believe in the fucking 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:22.800 dreams mentality, but I believe that more so with adults 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.640 who I know are chasing things that they see working 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.600 for other people as opposed to tapping into what it 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.400 is that they truly should be doing, you know, themselves. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.080 I agree. So what you're saying is like over eighteen, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.520 you definitely be honest. I remember I had an interview 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.640 with DC young flying he wanted to be like a 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.040 basketball player, and he said, you know, he transferred schools. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.720 He was like the best basketball player in this like 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.120 little school. He was going to move to a different school. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.000 He was like the worst basketball player. And the coach, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.120 like catapultar to his dreams, was like, you'll never be 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.920 a basketball player, and he was like, well, thank god 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.520 for him saying that because it forced him to like 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.200 check out other lanes. And I do agree with that, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.559 but I also heard the astronaut thing. I'm a new mom, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.080 like I'm daughters too, so I'm like soaking up any 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.360 advice any parent will give me, you know. And I 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.760 was like, well, you know all these some people say 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.920 let your kid fall or whatever, but I did like 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:19.000 the beauty in the astronaut theory. Going back to your internship, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.400 sorry to Derail. I like to see I like to 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.839 see the growth in you, and you see it. You 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.240 see it very You're very transparent about the growth of 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.320 who you were, who were trying to be, and then 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.079 who you've become and who you're actively becoming. But go ahead, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.280 take back to so you get into radio yep, and 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.800 what's what's the environment, like, what what do you find 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.520 that you love the most about it? And what was 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.120 your internship duties at the time? 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.000 Oh, internship duties. I did everything. I had to drive 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.559 the station vehicle. I had to put the posters up, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.360 you know, I had to set up you know, the 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.080 DJ equipment if need be, set up the tables for 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.240 people to you know, put their stuff on, like literally 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.000 whatever I needed to do. Like you know, people would 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.120 like to call that do boys stuff, but it's like, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:04.920 I mean, I guess, you know. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.480 So I used to actually take the station vehicle home. 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.840 So even when it was other intern shifts, they would 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:13.720 come and be like. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:14.840 Well, where's the truck? 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:16.560 Why are you taking it? 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.080 Because when they would come and be like, where's the truck, 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.840 then they would have you know what, I think Charlamagne 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:21.280 had it last. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.800 They would call like, char I mean you got the truck? Yeah, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.640 actually I do. What's up? 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.520 Well we got somebody got a remote an hour, I'm 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.600 on the way, and I would take the truck and 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.120 I would just go to the remote with the intern. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.960 So I was there. I was crashing everybody's set. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.120 And then not just coming to the you know, all 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.760 the remotes, I would be sitting in the studio being 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:41.560 a fly on the wall. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:41.960 You know. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.480 Willie will used to let me sit in with him 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.400 a lot, and I would just sit there and just 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.960 like you know, soak it all up, you know, taking uh, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.920 taking what was going on. And this is another reason 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.080 the astronaut kid theory is so powerful because I always 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.600 talk about my homegirl Testing Spencer, you know who's from Charleston, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.720 South cam and her and Baby Jay had a show 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.160 on Z ninety three called The Breakfast Club when I 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.120 was growing up, and that was the huge morning show 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.040 in Charleston ninety three still is the big heritage station 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.840 down there, and Tesla calls the She called one day 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.600 when I was on a Sunday morning doing what we 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.000 call voice tracking. So voice tracking is basically you would 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.760 record your your breaks upload them, but you still had 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.480 to sit in the studio while the show was on 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.920 because I was new, you know, And she called and 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.080 she goes, yo, you know what. She was telling me 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.160 about a traffic accident that was somewhere on but she 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.520 was like, yo, you sound really good. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:34.680 And I said thank you. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.560 She's like, no, no, no, no, I'm not just saying that, like, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:43.040 you sound really good, like a natural. And the confidence 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.400 that gave me, like the boost, the energy that gave me, like, 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.080 oh shit, Tessa Spencer from the Breakfast Club just told 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.280 me I sound good like So it solidified to me 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.520 that I was doing what I was supposed to be 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.560 doing because it already felt good. It felt amazing, like 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.000 I'm talking, but it felt like on that microphone, it 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.480 felt like the first time you had orgasm, Like literally, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.000 like that first time you got. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.600 High, you know, and you're like, oh man, this is amazing. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.440 It just felt incredible. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.600 And so when she told me that it just like 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.920 set something off of me, that it lit a spark 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.360 that hasn't hasn't gone. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.200 Out like this is definitely my purpose. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.200 I knew that because you got this tattoo I got 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:25.720 on my armor here is. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.240 Oh my gosh, is that a Thundercat? 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.240 No, it's Wolverine. It's horrible though. My man, it's a 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.680 guy named t Willis. This when tattoos were illegal in 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:35.440 South Carolina. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.160 My man, t Willis did this. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.600 But it's Wolverine from the X Men, holding a microphone 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:41.320 in his hand. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.280 You need to get this. Oh yeah, I see, you 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:44.600 see it. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.160 And the reason I got Wolverine because Wolverine is still 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.760 my favorite X Men character. But the thing I loved 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.600 about Wolverine was his healing powers. Literally, he had the 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:59.840 ability to heal from any situation. And so I always 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.880 knew in my mind even back then. I think I 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.920 got this when I was seventeen, I knew that. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:04.200 Yo. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:05.840 Maybe I think I might have a little older, like 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.000 eighteen nineteen, but I knew in my mind that I 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.480 wanted to have that ability. I wanted to have the 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.360 ability to heal from anything. This is before I didn't 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.679 I didn't know nothing but no therapy. I wasn't on 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.439 no healing journey back then. I was out of my 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.280 mind back then, but I just knew in my mind 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.119 I wanted to be able to heal from any situation. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.760 And I knew physically, and I used to say this 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.720 to myself. I knew that wasn't possible physically, so I 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.200 used to always say emotionally mentally, you know, I wanted 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.520 to be able to heal from anything. And he's holding 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.119 a mic because I thought rap was gonna be what 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.600 changed my life, but actually it was these type of 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.280 microphones that changed my life. And then now you see, 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.360 I'm I'm a huge mental advocate, huge mental health advocate, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.640 helping people on their healing journey. So it's just like, man, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:49.959 God don't waste nothing. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.800 He don't. But now, back at eighteen to ninety, you 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.960 also had the name Charlotte Mane or you had the 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:55.760 nickname then. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:57.240 Yes, because I was. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.159 I graduated from night school and let me see, I 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.119 graduate from night school in nineteen ninety eight, so I 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.240 was either I was either about to be twenty or 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:11.000 still nineteen. But yeah, because I used to sell crack 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.720 and I used to always say my name was Charles, like, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.399 because you know, I come from a small town, so 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.040 if I said my real name, people be like, oh, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.800 that's Larry's son, that's Julie son. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.080 So I used to always say my name was Charles 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:23.040 or Charlie. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.240 And then we used to all smoke a lot of weeds, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.119 so we all had a like like weed nickname. So 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.560 I was like Charlie Chronic. Somebody else was like Mikey Marijuana. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.119 Somebody else was Nikabodism, somebody else was Bobby Buddha. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.080 I think it's interesting because throughout your whole story it 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.760 seems like you're you had the Charlemagne, which was almost 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.000 I hate to say it for lack of better terms, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.120 but you had this like bad boy persona type oh yeah, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.800 thing that you were you were leading with. But then 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.720 in the back of your mind, even with the god 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.120 or with the next it was like in the back 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.520 of your mind but like healing or moving in this 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.919 like purposeful direct but even lingering in the background. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.520 Right yeah, but even with charlamagnecause Charlamagne is French for 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.120 Charles the Great, and Charlemagne was a Roman emperor who 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.200 went about spreading religion and education. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:11.840 And then you know in Haiti. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:16.280 There's a general Charlemagne, and he was just a revolutionary, right, 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.600 So I picked that name for those reasons because they 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.960 meant something. So I'm sitting in night school looking at 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.920 the history of book and I see Charles the Great, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.639 and I'm like, Charles the Great, I'm like Charlemagne. I'm like, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:33.359 I'm like, Charlemagne is French for Charles the Great. So 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.640 I'm like, oh, I just call myself Charlemagne Charlomagne the God. 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.560 So it really didn't make no sense. It's like it'd 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.480 be like Charles the Great, the God. But I was 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.000 seventeen in high all the time. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:43.960 I eighteen. I don't remember how. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:45.480 I can't remember how I was, Like, I know it 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.080 was nineteen ninety eight, so I was like nineteen probably, 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:48.920 but I was in night. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.240 School, Okay. And then, now, when do you officially after 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:57.440 the internships start getting into Paige, Like, how long? 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.480 I I was an intern for a while because they 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.040 actually had canceled the internship programs, and then they brought 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.719 me back. And then when they brought me back, they 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.680 hired me in the promotions department, so basically to get 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.800 paid only I think it might have been six hours 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.040 an hour if that at the time. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:16.080 And so I was. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.639 Getting paid a little bit of money, you know, to 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.200 being promotions. And then my man, Ron White, my guy, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.240 Ron White still my guy this day. He was the 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.439 music director at the time, and he was like, yo, 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:26.840 you need to You said, you ever thought about being 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.200 on the radio, And I was like nah. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.320 He was like no, nah, because I hadn't you know 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:32.600 what I mean. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.119 I mean, yeah, I was just I was just happy 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:36.760 to be there and like you know, every now and 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.720 then I would jump on with Willie will you know, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:40.200 but I never thought to myself, I can get my 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:41.840 own show or anything like that. 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:43.760 He was like, yo, you should, you should, you should 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:44.720 be on air. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.399 And so Ron White is the president that started, you know, 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.400 allowed me to voice track and put me on there, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.280 you know. So that's why I got mad love for 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.520 you know, Ron to this day. Like you know, certain 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.720 people change the trajectory trajectory of your life, and you know, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:14.680 you you should always honor those people, you know, for 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:19.000 for for even if you're not on the great terms 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:20.800 of them, even if you don't like the person no more, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.840 you should always honor them in your story. Yeah, by 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.320 telling them that, you know, but tell telling that story 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:27.679 about them, because you can't erase that. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.000 The only reason why I wanted to know the how 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:31.720 long it is? Because we are definitely in the air 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.719 and you talk about it in the book where everyone is, 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.880 especially with the younger people, and I try to think 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.000 back if I was like that, even though I catch 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.320 myself still being like that is like the overnight success, 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.120 Like how long did it take? That's why I wanted 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.240 to stress, like thirty years in radio broadcasting? How long 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.080 did it take of you struggling before you got your 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.720 first big Like well, I don't want to say the 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.240 six dollar check, but that you know, Oh. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.320 I didn't get a huge check in radio. Tell Breakfast 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.240 Club wow, because. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.840 Breakfast Club was just easily ten years, right, yet longer. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.440 Cause it was that was Breakfast Club was the seventh 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.200 radio station I worked at. So I started in nineteen 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.760 ninety eight and then I got with Breakfast Club in 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.600 two thousand and ten. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:15.840 Year, So what's that? 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.760 What's that terms twelve years? 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.560 Yeah, So I worked at four radio stations in Charleston 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.240 and then I was with Wendy Winn. But I worked 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.480 with Wendy for like a year and a half for free. 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:28.760 You know, and then when I got put on salary, 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.960 I was making seventy thousand dollars a year. And then 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.840 I got my own morning show in Philadelphia, and I 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.280 still was making like seventy grand a year, seventy seventy 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.840 five grand a year, something like that. And then I 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.119 went back home. I had to go back home to 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:42.680 South Carolina. Like I fired four times. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.200 Yeah, and that was my next one. Why were you 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:45.439 getting fired so much? 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.280 That was just a game, Like it wasn't even about 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.040 anything that I was necessarily doing. It's just like, that's 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:53.280 just the business of a radio. Like when I started 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:54.879 as the ninety three Jams. That's why I was an intern. 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:56.520 That's when I was in promotions. That's when I worked 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.080 in programming. I quit, you know, there to go work 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.760 at a station called Hotney eight nine. My man George Cook, 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:05.280 who is the operations manager at K one oh four 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.520 in Dallas. He's the first person to give me a 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.080 full time job on radio. Still a great mental mind 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.119 to this day. And even then I was making nineteen 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.600 grand a year. And then I, you know, went to Columbia. 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.000 After I got fired from hot ninety nine. They fired 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.480 George George who hired me, they fired him, bought in 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:24.800 a new guy, Corey Hill, who was the program director, 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:26.920 and then Corey fired me because he Corey wanted to 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:27.720 bring in his own people. 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.680 Of course, that's just the way the game goes in radio. 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.119 Now, during this whole journey, what's your mental health looking like? 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.760 Are you starting to second guess whether this is your journey? 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.080 I really want to dig into that mental health state 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.720 when you're going through that roller coaster wave, because you 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.760 even ended up back at home with your parents at 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:44.120 some point. 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.000 I did the first time. 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.200 The first time I got fired from radio, which was 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.560 Hot ninety eight nine in Charleston, I was a little 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.639 I was a little fucked up mentally because I didn't 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.040 know that I could go do radio other places. 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.600 So in my mind like that was my one shot. 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.639 Yeah, because I mean I didn't I'm from Monks Corner, 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:05.000 South Carolina. I know that area. I know I can 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.439 have success in Charleston. I never even thought about, you know, 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.960 doing radio other places. And it wasn't until I did 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.960 this demo tape. But it was actually because I used 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.480 to do my man, doctor Robert Evans and his son, 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.480 my guy DJ Bluss loved him to death. They had 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.479 a record label called Never So Deep, and so I 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.679 was doing an r for them, and they put out 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.520 a compilation album and it was like all of their 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:29.760 artists because they had a subsidiary deal with an MCA 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:30.159 back then. 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.960 That's MCA was a big label back in the day. 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.000 And so they had a compilation album and I narrated 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.560 the compilation album, but I put it together like a 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.120 radio show. And so we were just sending that out, 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.920 you know, around the country, and one of the program 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.640 directors in South Carolina named Mike Love, he was like yo. 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:47.199 He'd sent me an email. 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:51.280 He was like, yo, yo, do you do radio for real? 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.359 And I'm like yeah, and he was like, man, come 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.320 see me. And so I drove an hour and a 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.800 half the Columbia, South Carolina from Monk's Corner, met my guy, 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.520 Mike Glove. Salute to Mike Glove, and Mike started putting 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.160 me on in Columbia Thursday. I think I was on Friday, 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.639 Saturday and Sunday in Columbia. Maybe Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:10.119 I dont remember it. 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:13.040 And that was your second after getting fired from the first. 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:14.399 That was yeah, that was it. But that was the 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:15.840 third station I worked at third. 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.160 Yeah, and I loved working in Columbia because my wife 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.000 was going to the University of South Carolina, so that's 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.000 in Columbia. So now I had a reason to be 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:24.440 up there every weekend, you know what I mean. 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:26.480 So once again, that's God. 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.520 You can't you cannot script that, like that is all God. 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.639 That's God putting all of those pieces together. Like I 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.280 want y'all to be with each other, you know here, right, 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.040 even if y'all go through ups and y'all go through downs, 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:41.960 I still want you all around each other. Because we 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.880 did break up for a year at one point during 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.560 that time. We've been together twenty six years. But long 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.119 story short, I ended up in Columbia that station. 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.680 Big DM flipped formats, so I. 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:54.680 Ended up going to work for the station that they bought, 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.199 which was Hot one o three nine, which was the 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.720 big hip hop station in that market. And from Hot 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:00.640 one o three point nine, that's when when Williams got 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.000 syndicated on Hot one of three point nine. So when 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.840 they would come to the market, her and her husband, 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:06.600 I would just show him love, you know what I mean, 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.639 like make sure they was good or whatever they needed 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.000 you know, take them to the clubs, stuff like that, 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.520 and that's how we forged a relationship, you know. And 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.440 and it wasn't just they forged relationship with other people 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:19.480 around the station at that time too, like you know, 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.280 my homegirl Venom, she had a good relationship with them 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.600 as well. So we all just had a had a relationship, 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.480 you know. And that's how all of those doctor ended 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:29.080 up connecting. 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:34.480 Okay, how was it working with Wendy Williams. 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.359 Best best and worst time in my life? You know, 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.200 best and worst, best and worst time. 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:39.520 In my life? 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.840 Just because like Wendy come from it, she comes from 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:45.120 a different era, you know, Like there's been time I remember, 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.800 I remember sitting in the studio offering some input and 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.000 shut the fuck up and do it my way or 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:56.280 get the fuck out, you know what I mean, shut 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.320 the I don't want to hit shit from you, motherfucker. 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.960 Like so it was like this was like before H. 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.120 Well nowadays HR terrified. 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.000 I think about that shit all the time, likes their 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.000 HR departments. Back then, it couldn't have been. 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:10.800 Not the ship were really know, I think also when 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:12.840 you're young, I don't think anyone really knows how to 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.040 use HR. I mean, I could be wrong with today's 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.760 culture of cancel culture, like people are like more, but 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.840 I remember being like sexually her, like all types of 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:22.879 things because I did not know how HR worked. I 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.280 just knew I needed my job and I wasn't willing 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.080 to do anything to jeopardize. 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.320 And that's you know, back then, it was like, you know, 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.760 I had I was. I had personal relationships with them, man, 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.080 professional relationship with them, and you saw how everything turned 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.199 out with you know, her and her husband. So it 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.880 was like all of that was a very tumultuous, tumultuous, 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:45.440 I don't know if I'm saying the word right, tumultualist, tumultuous, tumultuous, 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:46.680 A fucked up situation. 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.520 It was. It was all fun. It was a very 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:49.680 fuck up situation. 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.080 Men, you like that too? Also, is like because the 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.080 lines were blurred, right, So that's why she was talking. 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.280 So what was the highlight of it? 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.440 Just working with Wendy, Working with one of the greatest 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.720 media personalities of all time. You know, regardless of what 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:08.920 her you know, personal showcomings may have been, professionally, she's 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.159 one of the fucking best to ever do it, you know, 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.639 from TV to radio, like I mean the things that 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:15.320 I used to watch her do as far as like 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:17.600 you know, show prep, Like you know, Wendy was a 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.920 person who really lived. She lived, you know, the culture 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.400 that she spoke about. She wasn't one of those people 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.480 who got in front of the microphone and gossiped, because 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.400 you know, she was performing. 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:31.320 That's really who she was. 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.439 And so for me, it was just that's not I mean, 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:35.040 I don't want to do the gossip thing, but it 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.160 was just like be authentic, be who you are. Like 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.400 I would see I would be with her all day 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.200 and then come sit with her in that studio and 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:48.760 do the show and watch her detail our day. You 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.000 understand what I'm saying. So it's just like everything was 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:52.520 content for her. 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.520 I was in the store and this happened, we were 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.520 driving and this, like it was all content. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.240 And so it's like for me, that's like that's how 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.160 that's always been my approach, you know, like your life, 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.880 your life is your best content. That's why I'm able 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:07.640 to write three books because I'm not performing. I'm literally 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.800 just showcasing and sharing all of these different things that 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.000 you know, I've experienced, all these different things that I've 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.160 learned and I'm not afraid to be transparent, Like I 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.680 gotta be afraid to be transparent. When I've heard Wendy 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.320 Williams talk about being on crack smoking, smoking sniff and 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.960 coke cooking, the coke smoking, the crack, throwing up on 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.320 the radiator because she was so high, and then the 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.000 fucking radiator cooking, the cooking, the throw up. Like, but 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.520 that's that's a surreal It's an amazing story. So if 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.640 I come from being next to that, why wouldn't I 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.440 be just as authentic? Plus we hip hop. Yeah, so 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.320 think about all the stories we've heard, the jay Z's 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.000 tell and the Big East Tell and the scarfaces and 0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:48.800 the killing Mike, all of these people that we love. 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.400 So it's just like, I want to be that same 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:51.280 type of storyteller. 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.920 So was it in that moment that you realize that 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.920 authenticity was the key to success in radio? 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:57.720 Oh? Yeah, I knew that. 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.360 But I knew that before Wendy because I was already 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.200 admiring people like Wendy. 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.240 I was already admiring pe D Green. Pe D Green is. 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.920 That's my all time favorite radio personality, right, So I 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:15.720 already knew authenticity was what separated you period, Like, it's 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.600 ironic that the name of this book is called Get 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.720 Honest or Die Lying, because that could have been the 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.320 name of my first book. Because literally, I've always my 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.479 daddy used to always tell me when you lying to people, 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.040 or he was used to say, specifically him. 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:29.360 You lying. 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:30.640 You think you're lining to me, but you're only lying 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.560 to yourself. And so I never ever wanted to be 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.000 that person that is, you know, lying to themselves, because 0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.120 what happens is you end up volunteering those lives to 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.520 other people. And I think that's what's happening in this 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.760 era that we're in now in social media, like you know, 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:46.560 just everybody feel like they got to perform, So who's 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.760 really truly being themselves? Everybody's showing up with a mask. 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.280 On yeah, social but you know what it's you talk 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.440 You mentioned Larussell, but I thought l Russell did a 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.280 really good job at kind of putting the case. And 0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.120 I talked him about this. I'm like, yo, I can't 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.280 be that transparent. He's like, you got to, you know, 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.320 I don't know. He'd be showing like, okay, this was 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.560 the sales or this is me pressing up the shot. 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.080 He would show everything, just document everything, and I thought 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.760 that was like a crazy amount of transparency. I was like, 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.120 I could never ever do that. 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:18.200 I love that dude. 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:18.400 Man. 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.480 L Russell was introduced to me by my late great 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.920 friend Hovain, and I never forget it because Hovain he 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.560 sent me a video of L. Russell rapping and L 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.160 Russell it was like the first one. It was the 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.480 one that went crazy viral. Well, he was rapping about 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.520 so many things and socially redeeming value. He was rapping 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.840 about being a young brother, trying to heal like it 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.880 was everything I was on and so Hovain sent it 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.640 to me and I didn't get a chance to listen 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.240 to it. I remember a couple of days later, Hovain 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.960 text me like, there's no way you listened to that, 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.720 because you know me. He was like, there's no way 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.040 you listened to that, and I was like, you know what, 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:56.720 let me let me listen to it. When he Hope 0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:01.720 Set text me that I listened and I'm like, why 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.160 are you just telling me about him? 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:04.360 He's like, I sent you this three. 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.800 Days ago, crazy right, And so it was like immediately 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.600 I had to repost it because I wanted the world 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.040 to hear that and then you know, when you meet 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.080 l Russell, his energy is just just everything man. So 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.000 he's just one of them young brothers. He always got 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.880 my support just because he's a He's a solid, solid 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.880 human being who I think is delivering a message not 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:26.000 just of independence when it comes to business, but a 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:27.920 message of healing that I think a lot of brothers 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:28.360 need to heal. 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:32.400 Yeah, Integrity is like definitely like a word I use 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:37.560 a lot, and when I'm looking for entrepreneurs, celebrities or influencers, 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.520 I'm always looking for that level of integrity. And I 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.720 remember just being like, okay, like talented, definitely talented and 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.120 all that, but I was like, I want to know, 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.320 like if we're a fly on your wall, like what 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.040 am I seeing? 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:50.880 For real? But that's what integrity is. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:52.800 And that's that's another part of the book, right get 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.480 Honest to Die line. That's why I said, like, you know, 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.120 we tell we lie to ourselves and then we volunteer 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.080 these lies the other people. Integrity to me is doing 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.680 what's right when nobody's around. Who are you when the 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.400 camera's not on? Who are you when the microphone isn't on? Like, 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:14.000 because I really care more about God than anybody. That's 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.880 why you don't care about perception. You should focus on 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:21.200 your character, because perception is what everybody thinks about you, 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.680 and that varies from person to person. 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.160 Character is who you actually are. So I care about 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:29.080 my character. 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.760 I don't care if the world has a perception of 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.760 me because they don't know me, you know. And that's 0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:37.440 why people will say things like, what's the biggest misconception 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.720 about you? Charlm There is no misconception because I don't 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.080 know what version of me you saw. I've been doing 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.440 this shit for twenty six years, you know what I mean. 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.800 I don't know what version of me you saw. So 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.360 whatever version of me you saw, whatever perception you have 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:54.400 of me based off what you saw, I can't trip 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:55.160 off that, you know. 0:33:55.960 --> 0:34:00.000 No, Now, after the Wendy Williams, you leave Wendy Williams. 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.600 How long was the gap between Wendy Williams and the 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:03.280 Breakfast Club? 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.160 I left Wendy November two, two thousand and eight. 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:08.839 You remember this well. 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.160 I remember it for a particular reason. I remember it 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:15.960 because President Barack Obama became He became president elect on 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.640 November third, two thousand and eight, So and I got 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:21.920 fired November second two thousand and eight from Wendy, but 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.279 like twenty five people got fired, like it was a 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.920 massive layoff. People forget how fucked up the economy was 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:28.880 in two thousand and eight. So it wasn't just me 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.520 that got fired. You had great legendary radio personality like 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.560 Bond Harper got fired and Champagne like these are legendary 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.400 urban adult contemporary personality. 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.520 Him when you got fired, did you actually look at 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.600 it as everyone's getting the rap? Because I know me, 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.719 I'll be like, I know everyone's going through it, but 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.439 what about Well. 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.440 You know it was good for me because when I 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.920 got fired, it was news like it was in like 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.520 the New York Times and like I think it was 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.759 PIXE eleven or one of these local New York radio 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.800 stations came to interview me and Wendy about my firing. 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.640 I remember them saying fan favorite, and I was like, 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.040 oh shit, fan favorite. Because you got to think when 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.440 I first thoughted with Wendy, they hated me, like literally, 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.280 New York City did not fuck with me. Like they 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.200 even put up a survey that said they said, shar 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.720 Charlamage be sent back home. It was like eighty five 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.239 percent of people was like sending his ass back home. 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.319 How did that make you feel when you saw those surveys? 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.239 It didn't make me feel any way. 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.080 Like I promise you, man, I've never been that kind 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:31.120 of person. Like I just I understand things happen, and 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.719 I have such a belief in myself, and I have 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.520 such a belief in God, and I have such a 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.439 belief in what, you know, what God has me here 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.200 to do that I just feel like all of that 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.520 I knew even back then, even though it might have stung, 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.960 I just knew it was part of the process. Like 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.160 I knew I was not going to lose. I constantly 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:55.120 hear jay z voice in my head. I will not lose, 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.759 you know. I just I knew that I was not 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.480 going to lose. And so it's like, all right, I'll 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.480 get y'all. You might you may not like me now, 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.520 but I'll get y'all. And fast forward two and a 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.720 half years later, the news is reporting I'm a fan favorite, 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.960 and guess what me working at Wendy. I did what 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:11.759 I was supposed to do at Wendy so much that 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.480 I ended up getting my own radio show in Philadelphia. 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.719 And I loved it, right because I got fired November second, 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.959 two thousand and eight. My oldest daughter, who actually turned 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.000 sixteen today or the day we're taping this. 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.200 She had been born June of that year. 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.239 So from November two thousand and eight to like May 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.520 of two thousand and nine, I was home every day 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.200 with my daughter because my wife was the one going 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.320 to work every day. My wife was keeping the lights on. 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.080 I was too proud to go collect unemployment. 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:41.800 I had no money. 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:43.359 You didn't even collect collect. 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.560 I didn't collectunemploym until I got fired from Philadelphia. 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:47.479 From my fourth time. 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.200 I love that's your wife, and you definitely had that 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.400 team environment like ones down. Well it's okay, we're going 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:52.560 to run it man. 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:53.719 She held it down, you know. 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.320 I mean we ultimately had we were facing the evictions 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.080 and all types of stuff like that, but she held 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.799 it down. And so it's like when I started off, 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:03.879 I started doing radio and Philly. I got the morning 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.239 radio show in Philly because of what I had done 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.240 on Wendy Show, and then from morning radio that morning 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:10.560 radio in Philly, even though I was only there for 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.480 eight nine months and got fired right for the same reason. 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.240 They bought in a new program director, guy named Boogie 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.640 d you know who fired me from one hundred point 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.240 three to beat in Philly. They need to be aware 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.200 of their fuck ups. These people need to be aware 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:30.239 of the mistakes they made in life. So he fired me, 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.880 and I was We went home for a year, me 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.439 and my wife and my oldest daughter and went home. 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:38.359 He went home to South Carolina for a year. That's 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.640 when I started collecting unemployment. I had never collected unemployment 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.840 from any of those four radio stations I got fired. 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.719 So I was getting like eleven hundred dollars a week 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.880 for like fifty two weeks the whole year. And the 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:54.280 last unemployment check I got was like November, like second 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.200 week in November, and that was the same week I 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.800 think I started breakfast club. 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:01.480 Wow, yep wow. 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.400 And then you come to breakfast club and this is 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.279 it sounds like you could correct me? Is this this 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.560 is the highest salary of your career because now you're 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:13.400 what you said in your book and now look at you. 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.080 I also, you know, I had to like just out 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.080 of share curiosity, and he made one hundred and twenty 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.280 five k. Then like and then to see I googled 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.080 it is probably wrong, but I was like Okay, so 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.840 then how much does he make now from the breakfast club? 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.719 I think I said like three million or something like that. Wow, 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:30.839 is a lie? Is it Google? A lie? 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:31.359 I don't know. 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.400 I won't from and I have no idea. I'm not 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:36.920 I'm not one of those guys. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.280 I don't know why googled it. I was just random. 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:43.239 I get curious all the most random stuff. Okay, so 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.920 you're at the breakfast club. Where does publishing take place, 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:51.279 like the book writing? Where does that like happen? Because 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.279 I know the first time I read Black Privilege had 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.600 to been Was it seven year? No? 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:57.759 Yeah, it came out, it came out, it came out 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:02.759 twenty sixteen. No, it came out twenty seventeen. Came out 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:04.880 twenty seventeen, came out April of twenty seventeen. 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.480 I read that book. It's so funny. Of the only 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.920 other books I've ever read by entertainers is mainly Jay 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.640 Z Russell Simmons, and I read your book and it 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.360 inspired me to read I think Kevin Hart's book, and 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.600 then I realized, no, not everyone's the same. I really 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.480 like your writing, Thank you. I really like it. 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.440 I mean, I actually write, you know, my guy Chris Morrow, 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.200 who I always give credit to because you know, he 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.560 told me two things that absolutely changed my life. He 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.560 told me twelve years ago, you need to write a book, 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.120 and you need to start a podcast. And I always 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:37.600 wanted to write a book because I'm a writer, right, 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.000 I knew that was gonna come. But I was like 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.520 a podcast. I was like, why would I start a podcast? 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.160 Podcaster for people who can't get on radio? 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:45.080 Oh? 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.440 I remember saying that twelve yeah, twelve years ago even, 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.600 and he was like, he was like, now I'm telling 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.080 you man, it's gonna be the next wave. 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:52.480 YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.279 And I started listening to Combat Jack around that time, 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.240 God Bless the Dead, Reggie Osha, and so I listened. 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:00.640 I was like, you know what, why not? 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.480 Because in my mind, I'm like, already been fired, you know, 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.680 four times from radio. And the thing that kept me 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.560 afloating in people's minds after I got fired from Philadelphia 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:14.239 was I got to salute to Angelie Be going up 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.040 to her satellite radio show, doing guest spots on there, 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.600 and me and Little Duball used to do a YouTube 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.359 show called hood State of the Union. Me and Little 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.600 Duball was doing YouTube shows back in two thousands, and 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.839 it was first brand new exactly, and like people would 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.759 watch them on YouTube, but then the blogs would pick 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.160 them up like world Star and everybody else. And so 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:38.480 that's how I ended up even getting my first looks 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:40.560 in TV, like my first real looks in TV, because 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.000 Nick Cannon had a show called a Hayton that he 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:46.000 was the executive producer on, and my girl Tiffany Williams, 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.319 she put me in du ball on that show. So 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.880 I've always understood the power of the internet, right and 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.800 how to utilize the Internet to build a national. 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:57.480 Audience. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.840 So that's why I started the podcast because I knew, 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:01.759 all right, let's just say I do get fired from 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.279 Breakfast Club, at least I have something else, you know, 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.200 going on. So me and my guy Andrew Schultz, who 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.399 now is the biggest comedian in the world, which I 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:10.759 would have. 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.440 No idea, how impressed any I. 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.000 Used to go back and listen to old brid Idiots episodes. 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:17.919 I used to say that I'm like yo, Andrew shot 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:19.520 to get that because there was a comedian named Russell 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:23.880 uh Russell Peters and he was like the biggest touring 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.239 comedian in the world. But people didn't even really realize it. 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.279 And I used to always say, Andrew, you're gonna be that, 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.040 You're gonna be the biggest touring comedian in the world, like, 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.080 and that's what he's doing now. But back then I 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:38.920 just thought he was smart, funny because we used to 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.520 do guy code together and we used to talk on 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.560 the phone. And I remember one time we all ended 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:47.240 up on a plane the LA for the MTV Awards 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.320 or something like that. We all rolled in the car together, 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.000 me and him and Melanie Iglesias and we like me 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:53.919 and Andrew has been cool since then. 0:41:53.960 --> 0:42:07.359 You know, when did you actually say Okay, yes, I'm 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.919 gonna do book publishing and then with that you ended 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.880 up doing your own you published it yourself. 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.640 Well, no, I put out A Black Privilege with Simon 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:21.080 and Schustu. Black Privilege had tremendous success, you know, instant bestseller, 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.920 New York Times national bestseller. It was on New York 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.560 Times Bestsellers. This's for like twenty plus weeks. And so 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.239 they came to me and they wanted me to do 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:33.320 another book immediately. I had started therapy in twenty and sixteen, 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:37.440 so man in the middle of twenty seventeen late twenty eighteen, 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.520 I was in a total different mind state because I 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.080 was unlearning so many things that I had learned throughout 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.920 my life, and I was dealing with a lot of 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.719 the traumas that I had never ever, you know, dealt 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:50.280 with before. 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:51.880 So I was really in a confused state. 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.160 And so when twenty eighteen came around and they was 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.960 kept pressing me for this book, pressing me for this book, 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.120 I was like, look, man, I've been going to therapy. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.920 I can share some of the journy of that. I 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:02.520 can share to some of the things that you know, 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.879 I go there and talk about. And that's what I did. 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.320 And then my book agent, Jan Miller, had the idea 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.680 to add my man, doctor ish major, who gave the 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.480 clinical correlations to the things that I was saying. Like, 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:15.960 if you go back and you listen to Shook one 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.960 or read Shook one, you'll you'll hear how raw that was, 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.600 you'll hear you know, the mind state that I was in, 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.799 you know, at that time. And then when it came 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.200 time to do my third book, because you know, Shiok 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:32.759 one was a success as well, another bestseller, I was like, yo, 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.640 I don't even want like a big advance, Like I'm 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.359 not looking for like a huge amount of money, because 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.520 you know, every time you put out a book, you know, 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.440 you have success, advances get bigger. 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:44.839 I was like, Yo, just give me, you know, give 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:45.640 me what y'all gave. 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.320 Me for the last one. But I really want to imprint. 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.520 I really want to be able to publish other people's. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.880 Oh that's how the Black Privileged Publishing. 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:56.960 It literally was like that because you know, for me, man, 0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.680 like I always say, if whatever your if whatever, your 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.000 build old thing only benefits you, it's not big enough. 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.280 So I was just like, yo, let me get an imprint. 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:07.439 And by the way, all I can say is no, right, 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.120 And it was like, hell, yeah, let's do what. 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.520 It did with the Black Effect podcast network. Yeah did 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:14.319 you do the same thing? 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:14.960 Yeah? 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.680 Black Effect was essentially the same thing, because a little 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.719 bit different, only because you know, with radio you have 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.880 contracts and so you know, five years five years is 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:28.480 like the max deal and I had did a couple of. 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:32.040 Five year deals already. Yeah, I did a couple five years. 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.680 I was uh yeah. So when twenty twenty came, my 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:35.680 five years was up. 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.239 So you know, we were in negotiations and you know 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.280 the beauty, and I give, I give a little jewel 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.080 because it'll never happen again, but I'll give a little jewel. 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.319 I come from the era of radio where all of 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:55.720 these new things that we were doing weren't in our contracts, 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.320 meaning like I had a radio contract, so the only 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.719 you know, entities, I couldn't have conversations with his other 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:04.800 radio stations. 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.080 With the world changed, so. 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.399 Now we're doing We've been doing Brand Idiots podcasts for 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:14.680 eight nine years at that time, right, and there's all 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.239 of these different platforms, the apples and the Spotify's and 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.400 all of these different people are looking for content, and 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:25.040 it's like, oh, Charlamagne's contract is up right, are coming up? 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.160 So you know, you had different people, you know, reaching 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.279 out to my agents whoever else. And I always had 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.000 this idea because I was looking at just the landscape 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.640 of podcasting and I'm like, man, you know, you got 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.319 Barstool over here, and you got Gimblet over here, and 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:41.920 you know, I was already a part owner of the 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.879 Loud Speaking Network with my man Chris Morrow and Combat Jack. 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:49.680 But I felt like there was no house for black 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.440 podcasts like you had all of these black podcasts that 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.520 were scattered all over the place, and they had audiences, 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:57.600 but they might not have been connecting that audience with 0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:59.839 the ad revenue dollars. I was just like, yo, let's 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.480 I want to launch a podcast network. I want to 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:06.120 start my own you know, podcast network called The Black Effect. 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:11.200 And it didn't make any sense, you know, to go 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:12.600 anywhere else. You know, even though I. 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.680 Even though I had conversations, even though even though there 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:19.960 was other conversations had iHeart is the biggest audio publishing 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:24.080 you know, company in the world. So when I presented 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.040 my vision the iHeart of what I wanted to do. 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:28.239 They were all in. 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:31.719 And so I'm a fifty one percent majority owner of 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:32.520 The Black Effect. 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.080 This isn't a this isn't a vanity label. 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.680 This isn't something you know, Hey, let's just give him 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.120 something and put his name on it, which, by the way, 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:41.879 and I want to say this, a lot of those 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.160 other companies, that's what they were trying to do. So 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:45.879 a lot of those other companies, I never told him, 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:47.360 like what I wanted to name it and stuff like that. 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.000 I just, you know, my agent told them what the 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.440 idea was. And a lot of those other companies wanted 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.640 to do things like that, but they didn't want to 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:54.600 give me no real ownership. 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:56.000 They didn't want to give me no real equity. So 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.440 I could have went other places and got like a 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.960 big ass check and had a vanity podcast network, but 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:05.359 I would have to run everything by them, and they 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.799 would have to have first rider refusal on what I 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.839 could bring in. Like I couldn't be like, yo, let's 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:10.919 bring in eating while broke. 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.200 They'd be like, well, who is by the way, shout 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.279 out to you for that? I will. I want to 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:19.200 say such on a couple of things before we wrap. Secretly, No, 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.480 I'm secretly scared of the time because your team is 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:26.880 like assured me that I make over. One thing I 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:28.960 wanted to shout out to you is I did I 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:30.839 you know, I previously did come from the Nick can 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.000 I work with Nick Cannon for like ten plus years 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.360 as a partner and another company. And one of the 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:41.000 things that I'm not hopefully discratches, but one of the 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:43.759 things I noticed with being in the industry is male dominated. 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.360 One of the things I love about working with the 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.640 Black Effect Network is that not only is it women 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.440 of color that pretty much run it. I don't even 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.280 know if there's men over there. 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.319 There probably is, but male producers like a king. 0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.040 You're right, my producer is a male. But I'm saying 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:02.239 like the the women are like really running it and 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.799 holding it down. And it's like you could pick up 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.480 the phone. I mean, if I say anything crazy, Dolly 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.960 will call me in three seconds, dn't even end, and 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.440 I immediately know I'm in trouble. But I love how 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.120 it is. But I also love like I always ask 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.680 people like the transparency, So how's he? How is he really? 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.160 You know? And you take good care of them, and 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.000 you don't see that a lot in the industry. I've 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.000 seen more of the opposite, where the men get the 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:29.799 checks and the women do the work and then the 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:32.960 women don't get paid and then it's just like eventually 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:34.439 they die off. 0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.760 Man, I don't Black Effect is successful because of Dolly Bishop, 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.879 And you know I knew that. 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.560 It's like, man, God tells me things. 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.040 It's like I always do because Dolly's, you know, a 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.959 family friend like Dolly's that's my homie before it's anything else, 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.040 and so I always do. Like rock Nation is like 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.800 a lot of my blueprint, And if you go to 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:54.839 rock Nation, it's the same thing, like, you know, Daz 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.440 is in charge, right, There's is the president a woman, 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.360 and there's a lot of other women in position of 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.279 power as well. And you know, I just always think 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.560 I always thought that was so dope because. 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.480 Like, women get things done, I really do. 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:10.040 I just did, especially black women, women of color, they 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.800 get things done. And so it's like I always knew 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.000 I'm gonna start this entity and I want Dolly to 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:17.799 run it, like I always knew that. 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.120 Side note, so Dolly during the pandemic, I was doing 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.719 a lot of crazy stuff because my company had shut down, 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:28.120 and anyways, Dolly had called me and she said, hey, 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:31.759 I'm thinking about getting taken this job or whatever. I'm 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:33.799 not too sure. I didn't ask her what it was. 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:35.520 It was like, yo, girl, if you don't have to 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:39.040 punch a clock, get a check, they don't like watch 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.239 you every day. What are we even discussing, Like we're 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.080 in the middle of the end times, like take a check, 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.759 you know. And for whatever reason, did not think to 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.320 ask what the job was. You know, whil'n out niked 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.439 pissed off the world with the jew comments, nobody knew 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.399 what the heck was going on. I did not think 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.040 to ask, So then I don't ask. I'm just like 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.719 take the job. Like, what do we discuss Dolly? You 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.200 I've seen Dolly play every hat and she's she's very 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.480 skilled at you don't have to worry about her integrity. 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.759 She can get the job done whatever whatever reason she 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.120 questioned it. So anyways, I'm trying to do eating while broke. 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.480 On the side, I like pitch my friends, like you know, 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.359 all celebrity friends, like yo, I need you to take 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.600 one for the team. And on one of the texts, 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.319 I had said something about like Dolly and then one 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.680 of them was like Dolly, and I guess in Variety 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:24.680 they had just announced that she was like the president 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:28.160 of Black I had no idea, right, so I get 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.560 the text and I'm like, yo, Dolly, Yo, I need 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.400 to use her name more, and she's like, what are 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:34.120 you talking about? She I was like yo, and I 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.800 sent her like the Variety thing like is this the job? 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.960 And like what? 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.000 I was like okay, and she was like and don't 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.319 use my name everywhere and I was like, I'm definitely 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:49.080 using your name everywhere. And then true story. People always 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:51.840 ask how I ended up on the Black Effect. I 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.440 had been telling Dolly about eating while broke. So then 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:56.200 I get a call one day She's like, you're gonna 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:59.799 kill me. Why would I want to kill you? She's like, oh, 0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.759 you be so mad at me. Oh in my head, 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.520 I'm like no. And I had told her like when 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.160 I do eating while broke, like you gotta like we 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:10.840 gotta put all our hats, all our names, and everyone's 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:12.960 contacts have to come together, which, by the way, Dolly 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:15.399 does not like to do. I didn't know that until now. 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.759 But anyway, she calls me, she's like, so I was 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:21.360 on the phone with iHeart, I s all you guys, 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:26.120 and I pitched eating while broke and I was like, okay, well, 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.160 what's the bad thing. She was like they loved it, 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:33.040 and like Charlottage wants to show. And I was like, okay, 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.160 what's the bad news. She's like, what's the podcast? I 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.200 don't care. We need distribution, girl, I take it, like 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.759 what do they need from me? And my in my 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:43.759 garage was like the eating while broke table Like, I mean, 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:45.680 my neighbors were driving past me like what is this 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:46.319 girl up to? 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:46.880 You know? 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:51.000 And I'd always tell people like God like somehow aligned 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.880 it because my plan for it was so like minute 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:59.759 and then you know, accidentally by the share like accident, 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.920 you guys end up in this call and everything happened. 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:05.800 I think it was beautiful. And every time I see you, 0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:08.040 I always try to make sure you know, like you 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:10.840 know that I appreciate you took a chance on And 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.000 I remember Dolly coming out to La like, we've never 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:14.760 seen you in front of the camera, so we're gonna 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.560 we're gonna watch you do it. And then she saw 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:18.160 me and she was like, this is you. This is 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.960 I was like what. But uh, I hate talking about 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.879 politics because I have my own insecurities. But recently in LA, 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:30.880 I did interview a congressman and I just kind of 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:35.440 just was like very transparent about, uh, how much I 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:37.719 don't know about politics. It's not something I like to 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:39.799 argue about because I don't know enough facts. I don't 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.640 like to vote because I don't know enough facts. But 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.200 one of the things that I learned in that interview 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:48.120 is I was talking to my dad and he had 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.040 said something about like how he got all this money 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:54.520 for like against like you know, the imprison the jail 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.480 system or whatever. My dad had said something like, yeah, 0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.000 but how did he spend how is he spending the money? 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.359 And I just didn't think to ask that question. And 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:07.400 I think, you know, after that interview, after like getting 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.560 that close in person with a congress person and seeing 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.279 like who they are and how they got to where 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:15.160 they're at, what I'm learning in politics and is that 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:19.720 government and politics they're they're not necessarily together. 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.160 Well, it depends, I mean, you know, you have I 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:26.719 think people forget that there's local politics and there's national politics. 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:29.279 And I think most of the time, most of the time, 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:34.160 what's happening you know, locally may not be happening nationally. 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.680 There's a lot of things that I see happening, you know, locally, 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:38.160 places that I wish were. 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:40.120 You know, happening nationally. 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:41.840 Like you know, right now, you look at Maryland and 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.560 you look at you know what Wes Moore just did, 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:45.920 you know, by pardoning I think one hundred and seventy 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:49.120 five thousand people from mister meaning marijuana convictions. Now, I 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.040 think that's a great start. I think that, you know, 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.200 they could go further. I think that they should pardon. 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.600 If you know, if you're in prison right now in 0:53:56.680 --> 0:54:00.359 a state where marijuana is legal and you're in there, 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:03.160 for a non violent drug offense. I think you should 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:05.520 be pardoned, and I think your record should be exponged. 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.080 But I think what what's is doing a great start. 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.400 But I wish that that was the model for nationally 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.800 because President Biden could do that, and for a person 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:17.279 like President Biden, you know, who was hands on with 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.880 the eighty six mandatory minimum centizen, who was hands on 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:21.600 with the eighty eight crack laws, who was hands on 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:23.880 with the ninety four crime bill, that would be a 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:28.239 good way to atone, you know, for some of those 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.239 for some of that legislation that you created that put 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:31.720 so many black and brown people away. 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.200 You could with a wave, with a stroke of a pen. 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:37.400 You don't need nobody else but you to say, if 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:42.080 you're a non violent drug offender in prison, you should 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:45.040 be pardoned, and I think your record should be expunged, 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:47.279 especially you know, marijuana. 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.040 Yeah, I agree, And then I remember when marijuana became illegal, 0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:54.560 it was like anyone that had those those that record 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:58.000 couldn't even get into the weed business. My dad was 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.640 like very upset, like could you imagine, like you perfected 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:02.959 this career, You've spent ten years, and now you can't 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:03.759 even get the LIFs. 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.800 That's right, that's right, I got a license. 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.880 Yeah, we got a dispensary opening in a New Jersey 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:11.040 called Hashtoria. 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:12.560 It'll we open this ship. You know. 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:18.600 It's myself, Ray Con the chef, Bakari Sellers and a 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:22.200 Jed and Josh Are are two partners who run Hashtoria. 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:24.279 So we got a dispensary open and know we got 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.160 a dispensary and consumption lone. 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:30.040 For people that sorry to cut you off on that, 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:33.120 For people that don't know that much about politics and 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:35.440 are starting to think about voting, what are the questions 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:39.600 that you feel they should be asking, like politicians are 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.439 looking for in politicians. 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.719 I tell everybody vote their interests. Like you know, it's 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:47.359 not hard what people are looking for. I don't care 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:48.640 if you're black, I don't care if you're white. I 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.840 don't care what your gender is. I don't care what 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:56.279 your sexuality is. Everybody wants money in safety. Life is about, 0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.200 you know, doing something that's going to put you in 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:01.200 a financial position to create some up with mobility, and 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:03.560 we just all want to feel safe. So I think 0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.000 that you should look, you know, to the elected officials 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:09.000 who are creating policies who are creating legislation that's putting 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.840 money in people pocket and that's making people safe. 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.120 Like it's really not that hard. It's not that difficult. 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.280 And when you find that person that is doing those things, 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:19.640 both of. 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:24.640 Them, Okay, yeah, I think I like that advice. But 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.240 I also I think in the past year, I don't 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.520 trust as many people. I don't blame you, and I'm 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:32.840 more like, even if I were to date now, I'm like, 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.720 what's your resume looking like? But give me the X numbers? 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:38.000 Like I don't give it anymore. If you can't give 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.480 me an X number and they say this is then 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:42.440 I don't want to do it anymore. 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:43.400 References. 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.719 Yeah, I haven't started dating again yet, but yeah, my 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:52.680 husband got fired or he's getting fired anyways. But yeah, 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:56.680 I think like even with Kamala Harris, I heard like 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.759 she was a district attorney that like put a lot 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:02.200 of people away in her previous Like I'm looking at 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.920 all references, but do you think that matters or no? 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:08.040 I mean that one was interesting because she was a 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.520 DA doing her job, you know, And I mean that's 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:13.200 what the laws were, you know at that time. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:13.480 You know. 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:15.680 I mean, I've definitely seen her pivot, you know, on 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.200 her stance in regards to marijuana. But that's why I 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:22.840 think people like her, just like people like President Biden, 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:27.280 should be advocating heavily and not just advocating. They should 0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:32.760 be doing pardon everybody in America on a federal level 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:37.920 who has a non violent drug offense, especially for marijuana. 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:40.160 They have the power to do that. 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.120 They have the power to do it. And why do 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.240 you think they're not doing it? Then? 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:43.600 I don't. 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:46.560 I mean, nobody's pushing them politically, but that would be 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.760 an amazing thing for both of them to do because 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:51.400 both of them have those reputations. Both of them have 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.800 you know, those type of records. So it's like, yo, 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.880 do that say that, Hey, y'all, you're changing with the times. 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.400 You know, just you noticed legislation that y'all that that 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.480 was created hurt a lot of people back then. So 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:08.560 it's just like that is the way you atone, you know, 0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:12.800 for things like that. So I've been saying, I think 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.480 that would be one of the most fantastic political strategies 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.320 that they could do right now, you know, like during 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.680 the especially during an election. Yet like all of this, 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:23.360 all of this right now is dream selling season. Everybody's pandering. 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.800 Everybody's saying, you know, and that's what's so crazy. Right, 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:30.120 You're in the White House, so you have power that 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.800 your you know, opponent, Donald Trump does not have, So 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:36.520 you can actually do things. He can only talk about 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.720 the things he wants to do. So, yes, it is 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.360 dream selling season. Yes, they are pandering to us for 0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:45.440 our vote. And I mean those are the things that 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:47.040 I think that we should push for them to do, 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.720 because I can you imagine that headline. Imagine you opened 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:53.400 up your phone and you looked on you know, shade 0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:56.640 Room or whatever whatever it is, you know, and or 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:00.600 just anything, and it said it said President Biden pardons 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:07.480 all non violent drug offenders effective immediately or whatever it is. 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.520 Like whoa you know. 0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:13.760 That would that would get even and vote? 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:15.760 Okay? It rile everybody up. 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:20.400 All right, Well, what what more can you share with 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.120 us in regards to get honest or die line? We 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:25.360 haven't already covered. 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.360 It's just a book that I want everybody to read 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:30.880 because I want to challenge everybody to be the most 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:35.000 honest version of themselves possible. We have to stop lying 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:37.400 on ourselves and we have to stop volunteering those lives 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:38.080 to other people. 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:38.400 You know. 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:41.040 The subtitle is why small talk sucks because I hate 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.919 micro conversations. I think we got to, you know, find 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.240 a way to start having big conversations. I think that 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:49.520 we have too much, you know, unnecessary small talk, and 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:51.760 I think that we put small talk and the big 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:54.720 talk on the same scale, so it feels like everything 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.720 weighs the same when they don't, right, they don't. And 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:03.200 we don't know how to even have, you know, big conversations. 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:04.880 We genuinely do not have. We don't even know how 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.880 to discuss big conversations. And that's why America can't ever 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:10.560 truly solve no problems. You ask me why, you know, 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:15.200 President Biden doesn't, you know, due to non violent pardon 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:18.080 the non violent drug offenders. Because nobody's really really having 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.880 that conversation on a big, big level like they should. 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.480 You know, they rather talk about transgenders and sports like 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.760 that ain't affecting nobody's life, like God blessed them, you 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:28.320 know what I mean. 1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:32.600 But it's definitely like that whome it's a media. In 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:36.320 your book, you even talked about like how they trade 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:40.240 the like this Trump did it like to distract. 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:41.200 The people that's right, that's right. 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:44.320 And so it's just like your people like we just 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:46.520 don't know how to discuss what we should be talking about. 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.200 We make minors majors. 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:52.280 Now, random question, do you think the algorithms play a 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:53.480 role in dumbing us down? 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:56.200 One hundred percent? That's why I hate algorithms. That's why 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:58.240 you have to disconnect. Like I tell people all the time, 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:01.160 don't be a don't be a surfer, be a wave, 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:08.800 because surfers have to ride waves the algorithm depending. We 1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:12.760 all ride the wave of whatever algorithm is presented to 1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:17.560 us instead of actually being our own waves. And you know, 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.040 figuring out, man, what is what is it I should 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:23.000 actually be thinking about in regards to this situation, or 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.040 should I even be thinking about this situation at all? 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:27.960 Think about things that come across your timeline every day 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:30.680 that you wasn't even thinking about, but now you can't 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:32.400 get it off your motherbucker mind just because it came 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:35.600 across your timeline. And guess what, it really don't even matter. 1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:38.720 It's something so small and so trivial, but. 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:40.520 You I saw it. I saw them. 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.120 They were arguing a couple of weeks ago about are 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:48.560 you safer around a man or a bear, and I 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.160 mean and people having in depth conversations about this shit 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:52.680 on park and I'm like, where the fuck did this 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:55.920 even come from? Why is this a thing? It's like, 1:01:56.280 --> 1:01:58.840 are you safeer around a man or a bear? How 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:00.520 about we have conversations about how. 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:03.360 These conversations blow up Because everyone's so obsessed with viral 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:06.480 moments and getting the hashtag to get these these numbers up, 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:09.520 it's become the it's like a chicken in the egg situation. 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:11.000 Yeah, I don't I don't be honest with you. I 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:12.400 don't know what it is. I don't know what makes 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:13.760 these things go viral. 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:16.040 I just know that we have to at the end 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:18.640 of the chapter every chapter, I say lesson discussion because 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:22.720 we got to start focusing on macros instead of micros, 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.160 Like why are we having conversations about women? 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:27.479 What are you safe for around a man or a bear? 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:29.800 How about we just have conversations about how to make 1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:33.120 women safe period? What the fuck bear has got to 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:37.960 do with it? It's it's just it's just silly to me. 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:39.960 So it's just like, yeah, I want to just get 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:41.080 us focused. 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:44.280 On just the macs, real discussion. 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:44.800 That's it. 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.680 Get to the real facts and keeping it honest. 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:48.280 That's it. 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.160 So please go get it, get honest, and die line 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:53.160 while small talk sucks, available everywhere. 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:57.280 Uh, check out some of your other books if you 1:02:57.320 --> 1:02:59.960 really want to in depth conversation on Who's Charlemagne is? 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:03.200 This hour definitely isn't gonna cut it the way I 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:06.120 would like it. I love that. And one last thing, 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:08.120 I was thinking about this, and I told Jordan back then, 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.520 I was thinking about doing this. I'm actually thinking about 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:12.600 hugging a tree. I'm that desperate right now. 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:15.720 Read I gotta I gotta chapter in my book. Read it. 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:17.440 I read it. I already read it, and it was like, 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:19.520 I was like, what five or six minutes? You know 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:21.880 the tree? He said, the New York trees are different 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:24.440 from the other trees. I'm still trying to find a tree. 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:25.200 You know what I'm saying. 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:28.320 Chapter is called tree hugged the block, get connected with nature, 1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:30.240 and we don't have to do another show for you. 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.000 It might have to be called like, I don't wanna 1:03:33.000 --> 1:03:35.040 call it dating while desperate, because you're not desperate yet. 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:38.360 No, you said you're desperate. Just now you said you 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:39.320 were desperate. 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:42.640 Desperate, desperate for peace. Peace. 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:44.680 Oh damnault. 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.920 Just be clear I'm single because well I'm still married, 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:52.280 and integrity wise, this sounds really silly. 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:53.760 What about dating while marriage? 1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:57.080 Integrity wise? I should do that integrity wise, I just 1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:59.400 can't do it while I'm legally like in my head, 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.120 I'm like married, and then even if you go on 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:02.920 a date, it's like, yeah, I'm married, but I'm separated 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:03.880 and I'm gonna go No. 1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:05.160 A lot of people go to this. I was. 1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:09.200 I just did Pastor Kean's conference last weekend. He has 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:11.280 a conference called The Crowd Conference, and him and Shannie 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:15.400 were on stage having this conversation. He felt the same way. 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:18.040 He felt the same exact way because he was separated. 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:22.880 But you know, he knew perception wise, dating somebody like 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:24.880 Shannie O'Neil, he didn't want people to look at her 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:25.440 away and. 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:26.960 Say, oh, she's dating this married man. 1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:30.200 But he was going through a separation, and so I 1:04:30.240 --> 1:04:32.520 don't if if I'm fucking this up, I'm sorry passed 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:34.240 the keon, But I thought I heard him. 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:35.960 Say he couldn't live like that. 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.640 He still had to just he had to go connect 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:40.080 with he had to go connect with Shani. 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:40.680 You know what I mean. 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.840 Oh wait, he couldn't live like what he he connected 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:47.240 with her? Why No, No, I don't think they he obviously didn't. 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.200 Yeah, I just think that he didn't let the fact 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:51.720 of everybody's perception. 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:54.479 It's not even about the person. Maybe I'm getting that wrong. 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:56.640 No, it's not about the perception. I don't care because 1:04:56.640 --> 1:04:59.760 my husband fully admits he's a he's a superhore. But 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.920 I'm it's not the perception at this point. Trust me, 1:05:03.240 --> 1:05:07.080 he's done enough to blow up any type of secrecy. 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:10.600 But I'm saying that integrity wise. I know in my 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:13.600 mind I made a commitment, right, So I'm like, yo, 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:14.200 let me just. 1:05:14.440 --> 1:05:16.880 But you're going through a separation. If I'm not mistaking, 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.200 patter Keyon said he did want He wanted to wait 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.600 because he didn't want people to think that he was 1:05:22.280 --> 1:05:24.000 that that that he was cheating on his wife and 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.920 Shaanie was messing up a happy home. If I'm getting 1:05:26.920 --> 1:05:29.120 that wrong, I'm sorry, pater Keyon, but it sounds very 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:29.800 similar to me. 1:05:30.160 --> 1:05:31.720 So I think we should. 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:36.040 Do dating while I'm married with Colleen and have her 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:38.320 in here interviewing potential candidates. 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:45.840 Oh that's hilarious, right to this person, they said, because. 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:48.560 There's no better reference check than putting somebody out there publicly, 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.040 because not even like, oh no I know him, go 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:53.240 I dated him. Now that people will be hitting you up. 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:56.960 They can't hide hilarious dating while married. Dolly, let's do it. 1:05:57.120 --> 1:05:59.840 No, no, let's but I will say the reason why 1:05:59.880 --> 1:06:01.760 I want to hug the tree and stuff is because 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.280 I do feel. And I was telling Jordan, it's the 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:07.720 older I get, the more I am driven towards happiness 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:11.040 or I mean peace over happiness. I could care less 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:12.960 about a high when I know the low can come 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:15.000 around the corner. I just give me a flat line. 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:17.160 And I used to never be like that. So when 1:06:17.160 --> 1:06:19.320 I saw the tree hugging, Dolly made me do grounded 1:06:19.320 --> 1:06:21.360 because I ran away to her house. At one point 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:23.600 I short it and she was like, take off your shoes, 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:26.400 go in the yard and walk in the grass. And 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:30.560 I was like, okay, Dolly, I'm saying I did it, 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:32.600 but I'm like, maybe we could try a tree huggain. 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:35.560 I'm starting to get into like meditating. Well I haven't started. 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:39.280 I've been reading books about meditation. I'm that desperate to 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:43.200 do those things. Not day, I think I deserve a 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:45.480 nice break of being single. But we can play the 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:46.560 dating show. 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:46.760 If you want. 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:47.360 I like it. 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:51.920 You're hilarious. Thank you so much for your time. I bagged, borrowed, stealed, 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:54.800 harassed your entire team to the point that Dolly called 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:57.000 me and said, if you want shar just call me 1:06:57.320 --> 1:07:00.000 and asked me when you're ready. And I did it 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:02.520 and she delivered it, and I was literally like, oh, 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:03.800 she did it. 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:05.800 I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:07.800 Thank you for I get to keep it. You get 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:09.880 to keep it, all right. 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:27.160 Peace out, guys. 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:33.360 For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect, 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:37.080 visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:38.240 to your favorite shows.