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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guests Charlemagne the God in the building.

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Speaker 2: Y'all, Queen Wit, what's happening?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? How do you feel?

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne the God also known as hip Hop's Howard Starn really,

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Speaker 1: best selling author of books Black Privilege, Shook One, and

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Speaker 1: most recently, Get Honest or Die Lion Why small Talk Sucks.

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Speaker 1: In addition to all these accolades, you have invested close

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Speaker 1: to thirty years in the radio broadcasting industry. You're the

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Speaker 1: founder of the Black Effect podcast network.

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Speaker 3: Where you can listen to Eating whild Broke, where.

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Speaker 1: You can which you yourself is literally the only reason

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Speaker 1: why we're able to do this interview. In addition to

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Speaker 1: all that, you are the creative of Black Privileged Publishing.

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Speaker 1: I read this quote. I was hanging out at my

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Speaker 1: dad's apartment. He had this quote on the wall and

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Speaker 1: I took it. And the whole irony in this quote

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Speaker 1: is that he actually took it from me. But I

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Speaker 1: read this quote and I thought of you. Excellence is

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Speaker 1: never an accident. It is always a result of high

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Speaker 1: intention sincere effort, intelligent direction, skillful execution, and the vision

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Speaker 1: to see obstacles as opportunities. Now I thought of you

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Speaker 1: because just reading all your books, I was like, personally

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Speaker 1: and professionally, it seems like that has been your journey. Absolutely, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So I gotta ask, what is the broke dish that

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Speaker 1: you would have had us eating in my studio?

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Speaker 3: If I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was racking my brain when they kept telling me,

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Speaker 2: and I watched the show and I'm like, they kept

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Speaker 2: you know, you got to have a broke dish, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't really have a broke dish coming up.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is because even though

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Speaker 2: we were poor, I didn't realize we were poor until

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Speaker 2: I got older, because you know, I grew up in

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Speaker 2: Monks Corner, South Carolina, and you know, when you grow

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Speaker 2: up in a ruined area like that, everybody is pretty

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Speaker 2: much doing the same. Like, you know, you might have

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Speaker 2: a couple of individuals who got a house that's better

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Speaker 2: than yours, but for the most part, people were growing

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Speaker 2: up in double wide trailers and we're growing up in

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Speaker 2: you know, like small subvern homes like my grandma used

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Speaker 2: to have. But the one thing that we always had

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Speaker 2: was food in funny food, funny and family, literally you know.

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Speaker 2: So it's like the things that people would call broke

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Speaker 2: meals or the things that I still love now. Like

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Speaker 2: I love grits and eggs. You give me some scrambled

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Speaker 2: eggs with some grits and butter, I'm good. Like my

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Speaker 2: grandma used to make this. She used to make cheese toast.

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Speaker 2: So she would just take the toast. My mouth started

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Speaker 2: water and thinking about it. She would just take the

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Speaker 2: toast and like you know, put the butter on the

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Speaker 2: center and then put a slice of cheese and literally

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Speaker 2: warm that up. And I would drink that with a

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Speaker 2: cup of tea. And now that I think about it,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that was like the meals that they

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Speaker 2: were giving us because that's what they could afford to

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Speaker 2: give us, like even you know, but it was amazing

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Speaker 2: that it still tasted good. Like it don't make me

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Speaker 2: feel like something. It's something that I still enjoy now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, so to me, that's not It might be

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Speaker 2: a broke dish, but I still love it.

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Speaker 1: I love hearing guests say that they were broke but

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Speaker 1: they didn't realize they were broke. But in those types

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Speaker 1: of cities, what I did notice is that, yeah, everyone

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Speaker 1: looked the same. But what differentiated kids from knowing whether

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Speaker 1: they were broke was at least I don't know, we're

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Speaker 1: close in age, but it was the like kicks, like

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Speaker 1: were you going to school with the cool kicks or something?

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Speaker 1: So or nah?

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Speaker 3: I had none of those. My dad.

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Speaker 2: I remember, I wanted they used to be these boots

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Speaker 2: called high tech boots, and my dad they saw the

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Speaker 2: bootleg version that pay less, and I wanted them so

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Speaker 2: bad that I'm like, y'all get the bootleg version that pay.

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Speaker 1: Less, and they didn't. The kids didn't noticing me.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I woke up one morning and my dad

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Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, shoot, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So I actually had the real you know, all black

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't even what kind of sneakers did

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Speaker 1: I'm saying in that environment, that wasn't the thing that

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Speaker 1: everyone's technically in the same economic structure. But I remember

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Speaker 1: growing up in upstate New York where even though we

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Speaker 1: how as a child you knew you were poor.

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Speaker 2: But the people who had the Jordans and stuff when

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Speaker 2: I was growing up with the drug dealers for the

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Speaker 2: most part, you know, I mean, either the drug dealers

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Speaker 2: you know, let me throw them some shoes or something

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Speaker 2: like that. But for the most part, the drug dealers

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Speaker 2: had to fly kicks that I remember, you know, growing up,

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember what I didn't. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: sit in and try, like what did I wear back then?

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Speaker 2: Sneak awise, I had some converse because you know, Snoop

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Speaker 2: we had the converse all stars.

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Speaker 3: You know, That's all I can really think of.

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Speaker 1: So take me back to the cheese toast, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I did have On the show, someone had

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Speaker 1: did it with sugared.

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Speaker 3: Mine was strat cheese toast to butter with a slice

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Speaker 3: of cheese, cup of tea. That's what my grandmother would

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Speaker 2: And I can even still right now think about that,

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Speaker 2: amazing meal. I can't remember that. That wasn't even breakfast.

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Speaker 2: That might have just been like, yo, you just got

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Speaker 2: a cup of tea, you know, definitely, like I said,

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Speaker 2: gritch and eggs for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: And you keep referencing your grandma's house. Is there a

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Speaker 1: reason because did you stay with her?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Well, when I was young, my mother, my mother was

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Speaker 2: a school teacher, you know, and my grandmother was a

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Speaker 2: lunch lady. Right, so you know, I grew up in

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Speaker 2: you know, I would never dare do that with my

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Speaker 2: So I would literally wait till my mom came home

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then take me through to at least fast

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Speaker 1: forward to like your first walk of I want to

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Speaker 2: My grandmother's house, sitting outside while they were waiting waiting

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Speaker 2: when I was young, it used to seem like it

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Speaker 2: was this huge field between my grandmother's house and my

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Speaker 2: cousin Gloria's house. But the field really isn't that big now,

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Speaker 2: But when I was younger, I used to feel like

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Speaker 3: Would just be out there acting like I was performing.

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Speaker 2: Like I literally would be facing the field, acting like

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Speaker 2: that field was full of full of people, and I

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Speaker 2: would be either be acting like I was, you know

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Speaker 2: at a certain doing rock and roll. At certain points,

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Speaker 2: I was just giving like speeches, and then like you know,

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Speaker 2: as I started to getting hip hop, I started to

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Speaker 2: act like I was rapping to a crowd. So that

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Speaker 2: kind of hit me. Like, y'all want to entertain in

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Speaker 1: Did you see or hear it somewhere and then it

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Speaker 1: like touched you. Was it like maybe per Like I

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Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, I would see Michael

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Speaker 1: my god, like that's incredible. Was there something like that

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Speaker 3: Nah, I just think that.

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Speaker 2: You know, my dad used to play music a lot,

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Speaker 2: and you know, there was always albums lying around, so

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Speaker 2: you would just see those people and they used to

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Speaker 2: look they used to look cool, you know. I used

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Speaker 2: to I'm a big cartoon guy to this day. So

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Speaker 2: I used to like watch a lot of ThunderCats and.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the ThunderCats.

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Speaker 2: Thundercast and it was there was a spin off with

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Speaker 2: the ThunderCats. I think it was the silver Fish or

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Speaker 2: something like that. Maybe I'm bugging, but I remember, or

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Speaker 2: maybe it was or maybe it was something with birds,

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Speaker 2: either Birds of Fish. I don't remember which one it was,

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Speaker 2: I was. You know, it's gonna sound crazy, but I

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Speaker 1: So imagination at its best, that's what.

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Speaker 3: That's all it was. So it's like, yeah, so then

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Speaker 3: what was.

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Speaker 1: That big, next big milestone? After you know you're performing,

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Speaker 1: you kind of have this like love affair with performing.

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Speaker 1: What was that next big milestone or pivotal moment where

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Speaker 1: you said maybe I should actually push a button and

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Speaker 2: Well, for radio, it started with me getting an internship.

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Speaker 2: That's why I think internships are so important. And I

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Speaker 2: got an internship when I was eighteen years old in Charleston,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. And the reason I was able to get

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Speaker 2: that internship is because I always tell people, man, stop

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Speaker 2: acting like.

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Speaker 3: You know, and just ask questions.

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Speaker 2: So I've always been a question ask her right, Like,

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Speaker 2: if there's something that I'm interested in, something I don't

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Speaker 2: know nothing about, I just asked questions about it, a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions because you know, when you ask a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions, you know you'll get you'll get answers.

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Speaker 2: So I just simply asked my man. His name was

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Speaker 2: Willy Will because he used to work as Z ninety

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Speaker 2: three Jams in Charleston, South Carolina, and we used to

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Speaker 2: rap together. Well, let me, I need to take a step.

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Speaker 3: Back, right. Rap is what we all thought.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna get us out of the hood right when

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Speaker 2: you was young, because when you looked on television or

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Speaker 2: you looked in magazines, the people who looked like you,

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Speaker 2: who were successful Black people were usually in rap are

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Speaker 2: some form of entertainment, are in athletics. So I always

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Speaker 2: thought rap was gonna take me out of the hood. I

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Speaker 2: love to write, always been a writer, so I just

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Speaker 2: started turning those stories I was writing into into raps.

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Speaker 2: No, it's Wolverine. It's horrible though. My man, it's a

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Speaker 2: went about spreading religion and education.

438
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 3: And then you know in Haiti.

439
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 2: There's a general Charlemagne, and he was just a revolutionary, right,

440
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 2: So I picked that name for those reasons because they

441
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 2: meant something. So I'm sitting in night school looking at

442
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 2: the history of book and I see Charles the Great,

443
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,639
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Charles the Great, I'm like Charlemagne. I'm like,

444
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, Charlemagne is French for Charles the Great. So

445
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I just call myself Charlemagne Charlomagne the God.

446
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 2: So it really didn't make no sense. It's like it'd

447
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 2: be like Charles the Great, the God. But I was

448
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 2: seventeen in high all the time.

449
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 3: I eighteen. I don't remember how.

450
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 2: I can't remember how I was, Like, I know it

451
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety eight, so I was like nineteen probably,

452
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 2: but I was in night.

453
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 1: School, Okay. And then, now, when do you officially after

454
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 1: the internships start getting into Paige, Like, how long?

455
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 2: I I was an intern for a while because they

456
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 2: actually had canceled the internship programs, and then they brought

457
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,719
Speaker 2: me back. And then when they brought me back, they

458
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 2: hired me in the promotions department, so basically to get

459
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 2: paid only I think it might have been six hours

460
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 2: an hour if that at the time.

461
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 3: And so I was.

462
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 2: Getting paid a little bit of money, you know, to

463
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 2: being promotions. And then my man, Ron White, my guy,

464
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 2: Ron White still my guy this day. He was the

465
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,439
Speaker 2: music director at the time, and he was like, yo,

466
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: you need to You said, you ever thought about being

467
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 2: on the radio, And I was like nah.

468
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 3: He was like no, nah, because I hadn't you know

469
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 3: what I mean.

470
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I was just I was just happy

471
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: to be there and like you know, every now and

472
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 2: then I would jump on with Willie will you know,

473
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: but I never thought to myself, I can get my

474
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: own show or anything like that.

475
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: He was like, yo, you should, you should, you should

476
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: be on air.

477
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: And so Ron White is the president that started, you know,

478
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 2: allowed me to voice track and put me on there,

479
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: you know. So that's why I got mad love for

480
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, Ron to this day. Like you know, certain

481
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: people change the trajectory trajectory of your life, and you know,

482
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: you you should always honor those people, you know, for

483
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: for for even if you're not on the great terms

484
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: of them, even if you don't like the person no more,

485
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: you should always honor them in your story. Yeah, by

486
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: telling them that, you know, but tell telling that story

487
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 2: about them, because you can't erase that.

488
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: The only reason why I wanted to know the how

489
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: long it is? Because we are definitely in the air

490
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 1: and you talk about it in the book where everyone is,

491
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: especially with the younger people, and I try to think

492
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: back if I was like that, even though I catch

493
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: myself still being like that is like the overnight success,

494
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: Like how long did it take? That's why I wanted

495
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: to stress, like thirty years in radio broadcasting? How long

496
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: did it take of you struggling before you got your

497
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: first big Like well, I don't want to say the

498
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: six dollar check, but that you know, Oh.

499
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: I didn't get a huge check in radio. Tell Breakfast

500
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: Club wow, because.

501
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club was just easily ten years, right, yet longer.

502
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: Cause it was that was Breakfast Club was the seventh

503
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: radio station I worked at. So I started in nineteen

504
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: ninety eight and then I got with Breakfast Club in

505
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and ten.

506
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: Year, So what's that?

507
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: What's that terms twelve years?

508
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I worked at four radio stations in Charleston

509
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: and then I was with Wendy Winn. But I worked

510
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: with Wendy for like a year and a half for free.

511
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: You know, and then when I got put on salary,

512
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: I was making seventy thousand dollars a year. And then

513
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I got my own morning show in Philadelphia, and I

514
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: still was making like seventy grand a year, seventy seventy

515
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: five grand a year, something like that. And then I

516
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: went back home. I had to go back home to

517
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Like I fired four times.

518
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was my next one. Why were you

519
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: getting fired so much?

520
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: That was just a game, Like it wasn't even about

521
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: anything that I was necessarily doing. It's just like, that's

522
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: just the business of a radio. Like when I started

523
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: as the ninety three Jams. That's why I was an intern.

524
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: That's when I was in promotions. That's when I worked

525
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: in programming. I quit, you know, there to go work

526
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: at a station called Hotney eight nine. My man George Cook,

527
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: who is the operations manager at K one oh four

528
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: in Dallas. He's the first person to give me a

529
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: full time job on radio. Still a great mental mind

530
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: to this day. And even then I was making nineteen

531
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: grand a year. And then I, you know, went to Columbia.

532
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: After I got fired from hot ninety nine. They fired

533
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: George George who hired me, they fired him, bought in

534
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: a new guy, Corey Hill, who was the program director,

535
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: and then Corey fired me because he Corey wanted to

536
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: bring in his own people.

537
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: Of course, that's just the way the game goes in radio.

538
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: Now, during this whole journey, what's your mental health looking like?

539
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: Are you starting to second guess whether this is your journey?

540
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: I really want to dig into that mental health state

541
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: when you're going through that roller coaster wave, because you

542
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: even ended up back at home with your parents at

543
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: some point.

544
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: I did the first time.

545
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: The first time I got fired from radio, which was

546
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: Hot ninety eight nine in Charleston, I was a little

547
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: I was a little fucked up mentally because I didn't

548
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: know that I could go do radio other places.

549
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: So in my mind like that was my one shot.

550
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean I didn't I'm from Monks Corner,

551
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: South Carolina. I know that area. I know I can

552
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: have success in Charleston. I never even thought about, you know,

553
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: doing radio other places. And it wasn't until I did

554
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: this demo tape. But it was actually because I used

555
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: to do my man, doctor Robert Evans and his son,

556
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: my guy DJ Bluss loved him to death. They had

557
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 2: a record label called Never So Deep, and so I

558
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: was doing an r for them, and they put out

559
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: a compilation album and it was like all of their

560
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: artists because they had a subsidiary deal with an MCA

561
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 2: back then.

562
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: That's MCA was a big label back in the day.

563
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: And so they had a compilation album and I narrated

564
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: the compilation album, but I put it together like a

565
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: radio show. And so we were just sending that out,

566
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, around the country, and one of the program

567
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 2: directors in South Carolina named Mike Love, he was like yo.

568
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 3: He'd sent me an email.

569
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: He was like, yo, yo, do you do radio for real?

570
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah, and he was like, man, come

571
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: see me. And so I drove an hour and a

572
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: half the Columbia, South Carolina from Monk's Corner, met my guy,

573
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: Mike Glove. Salute to Mike Glove, and Mike started putting

574
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: me on in Columbia Thursday. I think I was on Friday,

575
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday in Columbia. Maybe Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

576
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: I dont remember it.

577
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: And that was your second after getting fired from the first.

578
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: That was yeah, that was it. But that was the

579
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: third station I worked at third.

580
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I loved working in Columbia because my wife

581
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: was going to the University of South Carolina, so that's

582
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: in Columbia. So now I had a reason to be

583
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: up there every weekend, you know what I mean.

584
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: So once again, that's God.

585
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: You can't you cannot script that, like that is all God.

586
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: That's God putting all of those pieces together. Like I

587
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: want y'all to be with each other, you know here, right,

588
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: even if y'all go through ups and y'all go through downs,

589
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: I still want you all around each other. Because we

590
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: did break up for a year at one point during

591
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: that time. We've been together twenty six years. But long

592
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: story short, I ended up in Columbia that station.

593
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: Big DM flipped formats, so I.

594
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: Ended up going to work for the station that they bought,

595
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: which was Hot one o three nine, which was the

596
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: big hip hop station in that market. And from Hot

597
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: one o three point nine, that's when when Williams got

598
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: syndicated on Hot one of three point nine. So when

599
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: they would come to the market, her and her husband,

600
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: I would just show him love, you know what I mean,

601
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: like make sure they was good or whatever they needed

602
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, take them to the clubs, stuff like that,

603
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: and that's how we forged a relationship, you know. And

604
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: and it wasn't just they forged relationship with other people

605
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: around the station at that time too, like you know,

606
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: my homegirl Venom, she had a good relationship with them

607
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: as well. So we all just had a had a relationship,

608
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: you know. And that's how all of those doctor ended

609
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: up connecting.

610
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: Okay, how was it working with Wendy Williams.

611
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: Best best and worst time in my life? You know,

612
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: best and worst, best and worst time.

613
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: In my life?

614
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: Just because like Wendy come from it, she comes from

615
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: a different era, you know, Like there's been time I remember,

616
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: I remember sitting in the studio offering some input and

617
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up and do it my way or

618
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: get the fuck out, you know what I mean, shut

619
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: the I don't want to hit shit from you, motherfucker.

620
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: Like so it was like this was like before H.

621
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: Well nowadays HR terrified.

622
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: I think about that shit all the time, likes their

623
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: HR departments. Back then, it couldn't have been.

624
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: Not the ship were really know, I think also when

625
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: you're young, I don't think anyone really knows how to

626
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: use HR. I mean, I could be wrong with today's

627
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: culture of cancel culture, like people are like more, but

628
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I remember being like sexually her, like all types of

629
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: things because I did not know how HR worked. I

630
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: just knew I needed my job and I wasn't willing

631
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: to do anything to jeopardize.

632
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: And that's you know, back then, it was like, you know,

633
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: I had I was. I had personal relationships with them, man,

634
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: professional relationship with them, and you saw how everything turned

635
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: out with you know, her and her husband. So it

636
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: was like all of that was a very tumultuous, tumultuous,

637
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm saying the word right, tumultualist, tumultuous, tumultuous,

638
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: A fucked up situation.

639
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: It was. It was all fun. It was a very

640
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: fuck up situation.

641
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Men, you like that too? Also, is like because the

642
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: lines were blurred, right, So that's why she was talking.

643
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: So what was the highlight of it?

644
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: Just working with Wendy, Working with one of the greatest

645
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: media personalities of all time. You know, regardless of what

646
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: her you know, personal showcomings may have been, professionally, she's

647
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: one of the fucking best to ever do it, you know,

648
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: from TV to radio, like I mean the things that

649
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: I used to watch her do as far as like

650
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, show prep, Like you know, Wendy was a

651
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: person who really lived. She lived, you know, the culture

652
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: that she spoke about. She wasn't one of those people

653
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: who got in front of the microphone and gossiped, because

654
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, she was performing.

655
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: That's really who she was.

656
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: And so for me, it was just that's not I mean,

657
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to do the gossip thing, but it

658
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: was just like be authentic, be who you are. Like

659
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: I would see I would be with her all day

660
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: and then come sit with her in that studio and

661
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: do the show and watch her detail our day. You

662
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying. So it's just like everything was

663
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: content for her.

664
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: I was in the store and this happened, we were

665
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: driving and this, like it was all content.

666
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: And so it's like for me, that's like that's how

667
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: that's always been my approach, you know, like your life,

668
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: your life is your best content. That's why I'm able

669
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: to write three books because I'm not performing. I'm literally

670
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: just showcasing and sharing all of these different things that

671
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, I've experienced, all these different things that I've

672
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: learned and I'm not afraid to be transparent, Like I

673
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: gotta be afraid to be transparent. When I've heard Wendy

674
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: Williams talk about being on crack smoking, smoking sniff and

675
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: coke cooking, the coke smoking, the crack, throwing up on

676
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: the radiator because she was so high, and then the

677
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: fucking radiator cooking, the cooking, the throw up. Like, but

678
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: that's that's a surreal It's an amazing story. So if

679
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: I come from being next to that, why wouldn't I

680
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: be just as authentic? Plus we hip hop. Yeah, so

681
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: think about all the stories we've heard, the jay Z's

682
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: tell and the Big East Tell and the scarfaces and

683
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: the killing Mike, all of these people that we love.

684
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: So it's just like, I want to be that same

685
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: type of storyteller.

686
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: So was it in that moment that you realize that

687
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: authenticity was the key to success in radio?

688
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I knew that.

689
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: But I knew that before Wendy because I was already

690
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: admiring people like Wendy.

691
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: I was already admiring pe D Green. Pe D Green is.

692
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: That's my all time favorite radio personality, right, So I

693
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: already knew authenticity was what separated you period, Like, it's

694
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: ironic that the name of this book is called Get

695
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: Honest or Die Lying, because that could have been the

696
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: name of my first book. Because literally, I've always my

697
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 2: daddy used to always tell me when you lying to people,

698
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: or he was used to say, specifically him.

699
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: You lying.

700
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: You think you're lining to me, but you're only lying

701
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: to yourself. And so I never ever wanted to be

702
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: that person that is, you know, lying to themselves, because

703
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: what happens is you end up volunteering those lives to

704
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: other people. And I think that's what's happening in this

705
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: era that we're in now in social media, like you know,

706
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: just everybody feel like they got to perform, So who's

707
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: really truly being themselves? Everybody's showing up with a mask.

708
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: On yeah, social but you know what it's you talk

709
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: You mentioned Larussell, but I thought l Russell did a

710
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: really good job at kind of putting the case. And

711
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: I talked him about this. I'm like, yo, I can't

712
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: be that transparent. He's like, you got to, you know,

713
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. He'd be showing like, okay, this was

714
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: the sales or this is me pressing up the shot.

715
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: He would show everything, just document everything, and I thought

716
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: that was like a crazy amount of transparency. I was like,

717
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I could never ever do that.

718
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: I love that dude.

719
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Man.

720
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: L Russell was introduced to me by my late great

721
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: friend Hovain, and I never forget it because Hovain he

722
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: sent me a video of L. Russell rapping and L

723
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Russell it was like the first one. It was the

724
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: one that went crazy viral. Well, he was rapping about

725
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: so many things and socially redeeming value. He was rapping

726
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: about being a young brother, trying to heal like it

727
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: was everything I was on and so Hovain sent it

728
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: to me and I didn't get a chance to listen

729
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: to it. I remember a couple of days later, Hovain

730
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: text me like, there's no way you listened to that,

731
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: because you know me. He was like, there's no way

732
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: you listened to that, and I was like, you know what,

733
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: let me let me listen to it. When he Hope

734
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Set text me that I listened and I'm like, why

735
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: are you just telling me about him?

736
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: He's like, I sent you this three.

737
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Days ago, crazy right, And so it was like immediately

738
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: I had to repost it because I wanted the world

739
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: to hear that and then you know, when you meet

740
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: l Russell, his energy is just just everything man. So

741
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: he's just one of them young brothers. He always got

742
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: my support just because he's a He's a solid, solid

743
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: human being who I think is delivering a message not

744
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: just of independence when it comes to business, but a

745
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: message of healing that I think a lot of brothers

746
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: need to heal.

747
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Integrity is like definitely like a word I use

748
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and when I'm looking for entrepreneurs, celebrities or influencers,

749
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for that level of integrity. And I

750
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: remember just being like, okay, like talented, definitely talented and

751
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: all that, but I was like, I want to know,

752
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: like if we're a fly on your wall, like what

753
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: am I seeing?

754
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: For real? But that's what integrity is.

755
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: And that's that's another part of the book, right get

756
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: Honest to Die line. That's why I said, like, you know,

757
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: we tell we lie to ourselves and then we volunteer

758
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: these lies the other people. Integrity to me is doing

759
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: what's right when nobody's around. Who are you when the

760
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: camera's not on? Who are you when the microphone isn't on? Like,

761
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: because I really care more about God than anybody. That's

762
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: why you don't care about perception. You should focus on

763
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: your character, because perception is what everybody thinks about you,

764
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: and that varies from person to person.

765
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: Character is who you actually are. So I care about

766
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: my character.

767
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't care if the world has a perception of

768
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: me because they don't know me, you know. And that's

769
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: why people will say things like, what's the biggest misconception

770
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: about you? Charlm There is no misconception because I don't

771
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: know what version of me you saw. I've been doing

772
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: this shit for twenty six years, you know what I mean.

773
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what version of me you saw. So

774
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: whatever version of me you saw, whatever perception you have

775
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: of me based off what you saw, I can't trip

776
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: off that, you know.

777
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: No, Now, after the Wendy Williams, you leave Wendy Williams.

778
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: How long was the gap between Wendy Williams and the

779
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club?

780
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: I left Wendy November two, two thousand and eight.

781
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: You remember this well.

782
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: I remember it for a particular reason. I remember it

783
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: because President Barack Obama became He became president elect on

784
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: November third, two thousand and eight, So and I got

785
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: fired November second two thousand and eight from Wendy, but

786
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: like twenty five people got fired, like it was a

787
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: massive layoff. People forget how fucked up the economy was

788
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. So it wasn't just me

789
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: that got fired. You had great legendary radio personality like

790
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: Bond Harper got fired and Champagne like these are legendary

791
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: urban adult contemporary personality.

792
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: Him when you got fired, did you actually look at

793
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: it as everyone's getting the rap? Because I know me,

794
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I know everyone's going through it, but

795
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: what about Well.

796
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: You know it was good for me because when I

797
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: got fired, it was news like it was in like

798
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: the New York Times and like I think it was

799
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: PIXE eleven or one of these local New York radio

800
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: stations came to interview me and Wendy about my firing.

801
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: I remember them saying fan favorite, and I was like,

802
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: oh shit, fan favorite. Because you got to think when

803
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: I first thoughted with Wendy, they hated me, like literally,

804
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: New York City did not fuck with me. Like they

805
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: even put up a survey that said they said, shar

806
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 2: Charlamage be sent back home. It was like eighty five

807
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: percent of people was like sending his ass back home.

808
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel when you saw those surveys?

809
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: It didn't make me feel any way.

810
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Like I promise you, man, I've never been that kind

811
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: of person. Like I just I understand things happen, and

812
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: I have such a belief in myself, and I have

813
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: such a belief in God, and I have such a

814
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 2: belief in what, you know, what God has me here

815
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: to do that I just feel like all of that

816
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: I knew even back then, even though it might have stung,

817
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: I just knew it was part of the process. Like

818
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: I knew I was not going to lose. I constantly

819
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: hear jay z voice in my head. I will not lose,

820
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: you know. I just I knew that I was not

821
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: going to lose. And so it's like, all right, I'll

822
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: get y'all. You might you may not like me now,

823
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: but I'll get y'all. And fast forward two and a

824
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: half years later, the news is reporting I'm a fan favorite,

825
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: and guess what me working at Wendy. I did what

826
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: I was supposed to do at Wendy so much that

827
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: I ended up getting my own radio show in Philadelphia.

828
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: And I loved it, right because I got fired November second,

829
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. My oldest daughter, who actually turned

830
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: sixteen today or the day we're taping this.

831
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: She had been born June of that year.

832
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: So from November two thousand and eight to like May

833
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: of two thousand and nine, I was home every day

834
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: with my daughter because my wife was the one going

835
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: to work every day. My wife was keeping the lights on.

836
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: I was too proud to go collect unemployment.

837
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 3: I had no money.

838
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: You didn't even collect collect.

839
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: I didn't collectunemploym until I got fired from Philadelphia.

840
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 3: From my fourth time.

841
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I love that's your wife, and you definitely had that

842
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: team environment like ones down. Well it's okay, we're going

843
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: to run it man.

844
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: She held it down, you know.

845
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean we ultimately had we were facing the evictions

846
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: and all types of stuff like that, but she held

847
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: it down. And so it's like when I started off,

848
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: I started doing radio and Philly. I got the morning

849
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: radio show in Philly because of what I had done

850
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: on Wendy Show, and then from morning radio that morning

851
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: radio in Philly, even though I was only there for

852
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: eight nine months and got fired right for the same reason.

853
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: They bought in a new program director, guy named Boogie

854
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: d you know who fired me from one hundred point

855
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: three to beat in Philly. They need to be aware

856
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: of their fuck ups. These people need to be aware

857
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: of the mistakes they made in life. So he fired me,

858
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: and I was We went home for a year, me

859
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: and my wife and my oldest daughter and went home.

860
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: He went home to South Carolina for a year. That's

861
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: when I started collecting unemployment. I had never collected unemployment

862
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: from any of those four radio stations I got fired.

863
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: So I was getting like eleven hundred dollars a week

864
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: for like fifty two weeks the whole year. And the

865
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: last unemployment check I got was like November, like second

866
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: week in November, and that was the same week I

867
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: think I started breakfast club.

868
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: Wow, yep wow.

869
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: And then you come to breakfast club and this is

870
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: it sounds like you could correct me? Is this this

871
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: is the highest salary of your career because now you're

872
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: what you said in your book and now look at you.

873
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I also, you know, I had to like just out

874
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: of share curiosity, and he made one hundred and twenty

875
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: five k. Then like and then to see I googled

876
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it is probably wrong, but I was like Okay, so

877
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: then how much does he make now from the breakfast club?

878
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: I think I said like three million or something like that. Wow,

879
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: is a lie? Is it Google? A lie?

880
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: I don't know.

881
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: I won't from and I have no idea. I'm not

882
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those guys.

883
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why googled it. I was just random.

884
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: I get curious all the most random stuff. Okay, so

885
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: you're at the breakfast club. Where does publishing take place,

886
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: like the book writing? Where does that like happen? Because

887
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: I know the first time I read Black Privilege had

888
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: to been Was it seven year? No?

889
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it came out, it came out, it came out

890
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. No, it came out twenty seventeen. Came out

891
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, came out April of twenty seventeen.

892
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: I read that book. It's so funny. Of the only

893
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: other books I've ever read by entertainers is mainly Jay

894
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Z Russell Simmons, and I read your book and it

895
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: inspired me to read I think Kevin Hart's book, and

896
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: then I realized, no, not everyone's the same. I really

897
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: like your writing, Thank you. I really like it.

898
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I actually write, you know, my guy Chris Morrow,

899
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: who I always give credit to because you know, he

900
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: told me two things that absolutely changed my life. He

901
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: told me twelve years ago, you need to write a book,

902
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: and you need to start a podcast. And I always

903
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: wanted to write a book because I'm a writer, right,

904
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: I knew that was gonna come. But I was like

905
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: a podcast. I was like, why would I start a podcast?

906
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: Podcaster for people who can't get on radio?

907
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Oh?

908
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: I remember saying that twelve yeah, twelve years ago even,

909
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: and he was like, he was like, now I'm telling

910
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: you man, it's gonna be the next wave.

911
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA.

912
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: And I started listening to Combat Jack around that time,

913
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: God Bless the Dead, Reggie Osha, and so I listened.

914
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, why not?

915
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: Because in my mind, I'm like, already been fired, you know,

916
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: four times from radio. And the thing that kept me

917
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: afloating in people's minds after I got fired from Philadelphia

918
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: was I got to salute to Angelie Be going up

919
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: to her satellite radio show, doing guest spots on there,

920
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: and me and Little Duball used to do a YouTube

921
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: show called hood State of the Union. Me and Little

922
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: Duball was doing YouTube shows back in two thousands, and

923
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: it was first brand new exactly, and like people would

924
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: watch them on YouTube, but then the blogs would pick

925
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: them up like world Star and everybody else. And so

926
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: that's how I ended up even getting my first looks

927
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: in TV, like my first real looks in TV, because

928
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: Nick Cannon had a show called a Hayton that he

929
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: was the executive producer on, and my girl Tiffany Williams,

930
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: she put me in du ball on that show. So

931
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: I've always understood the power of the internet, right and

932
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 2: how to utilize the Internet to build a national.

933
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: Audience.

934
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: So that's why I started the podcast because I knew,

935
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: all right, let's just say I do get fired from

936
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club, at least I have something else, you know,

937
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: going on. So me and my guy Andrew Schultz, who

938
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 2: now is the biggest comedian in the world, which I

939
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: would have.

940
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: No idea, how impressed any I.

941
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: Used to go back and listen to old brid Idiots episodes.

942
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: I used to say that I'm like yo, Andrew shot

943
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: to get that because there was a comedian named Russell

944
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: uh Russell Peters and he was like the biggest touring

945
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: comedian in the world. But people didn't even really realize it.

946
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: And I used to always say, Andrew, you're gonna be that,

947
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna be the biggest touring comedian in the world, like,

948
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: and that's what he's doing now. But back then I

949
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: just thought he was smart, funny because we used to

950
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: do guy code together and we used to talk on

951
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: the phone. And I remember one time we all ended

952
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: up on a plane the LA for the MTV Awards

953
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: or something like that. We all rolled in the car together,

954
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: me and him and Melanie Iglesias and we like me

955
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: and Andrew has been cool since then.

956
00:41:53,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: You know, when did you actually say Okay, yes, I'm

957
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: gonna do book publishing and then with that you ended

958
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: up doing your own you published it yourself.

959
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: Well, no, I put out A Black Privilege with Simon

960
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: and Schustu. Black Privilege had tremendous success, you know, instant bestseller,

961
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: New York Times national bestseller. It was on New York

962
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Times Bestsellers. This's for like twenty plus weeks. And so

963
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: they came to me and they wanted me to do

964
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: another book immediately. I had started therapy in twenty and sixteen,

965
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: so man in the middle of twenty seventeen late twenty eighteen,

966
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: I was in a total different mind state because I

967
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: was unlearning so many things that I had learned throughout

968
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: my life, and I was dealing with a lot of

969
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: the traumas that I had never ever, you know, dealt

970
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: with before.

971
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: So I was really in a confused state.

972
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: And so when twenty eighteen came around and they was

973
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: kept pressing me for this book, pressing me for this book,

974
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I was like, look, man, I've been going to therapy.

975
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: I can share some of the journy of that. I

976
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: can share to some of the things that you know,

977
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 2: I go there and talk about. And that's what I did.

978
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: And then my book agent, Jan Miller, had the idea

979
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: to add my man, doctor ish major, who gave the

980
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: clinical correlations to the things that I was saying. Like,

981
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: if you go back and you listen to Shook one

982
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: or read Shook one, you'll you'll hear how raw that was,

983
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: you'll hear you know, the mind state that I was in,

984
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: you know, at that time. And then when it came

985
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: time to do my third book, because you know, Shiok

986
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: one was a success as well, another bestseller, I was like, yo,

987
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't even want like a big advance, Like I'm

988
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: not looking for like a huge amount of money, because

989
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, every time you put out a book, you know,

990
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: you have success, advances get bigger.

991
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, just give me, you know, give

992
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: me what y'all gave.

993
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: Me for the last one. But I really want to imprint.

994
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: I really want to be able to publish other people's.

995
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh that's how the Black Privileged Publishing.

996
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: It literally was like that because you know, for me, man,

997
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: like I always say, if whatever your if whatever, your

998
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: build old thing only benefits you, it's not big enough.

999
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: So I was just like, yo, let me get an imprint.

1000
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, all I can say is no, right,

1001
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: And it was like, hell, yeah, let's do what.

1002
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: It did with the Black Effect podcast network. Yeah did

1003
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: you do the same thing?

1004
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1005
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: Black Effect was essentially the same thing, because a little

1006
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: bit different, only because you know, with radio you have

1007
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: contracts and so you know, five years five years is

1008
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: like the max deal and I had did a couple of.

1009
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: Five year deals already. Yeah, I did a couple five years.

1010
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: I was uh yeah. So when twenty twenty came, my

1011
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: five years was up.

1012
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: So you know, we were in negotiations and you know

1013
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: the beauty, and I give, I give a little jewel

1014
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: because it'll never happen again, but I'll give a little jewel.

1015
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: I come from the era of radio where all of

1016
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: these new things that we were doing weren't in our contracts,

1017
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: meaning like I had a radio contract, so the only

1018
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: you know, entities, I couldn't have conversations with his other

1019
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: radio stations.

1020
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: With the world changed, so.

1021
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: Now we're doing We've been doing Brand Idiots podcasts for

1022
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: eight nine years at that time, right, and there's all

1023
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: of these different platforms, the apples and the Spotify's and

1024
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: all of these different people are looking for content, and

1025
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, Charlamagne's contract is up right, are coming up?

1026
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: So you know, you had different people, you know, reaching

1027
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: out to my agents whoever else. And I always had

1028
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: this idea because I was looking at just the landscape

1029
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: of podcasting and I'm like, man, you know, you got

1030
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: Barstool over here, and you got Gimblet over here, and

1031
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: you know, I was already a part owner of the

1032
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: Loud Speaking Network with my man Chris Morrow and Combat Jack.

1033
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: But I felt like there was no house for black

1034
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: podcasts like you had all of these black podcasts that

1035
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: were scattered all over the place, and they had audiences,

1036
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: but they might not have been connecting that audience with

1037
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: the ad revenue dollars. I was just like, yo, let's

1038
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: I want to launch a podcast network. I want to

1039
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: start my own you know, podcast network called The Black Effect.

1040
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: And it didn't make any sense, you know, to go

1041
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: anywhere else. You know, even though I.

1042
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Even though I had conversations, even though even though there

1043
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: was other conversations had iHeart is the biggest audio publishing

1044
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: you know, company in the world. So when I presented

1045
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: my vision the iHeart of what I wanted to do.

1046
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: They were all in.

1047
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: And so I'm a fifty one percent majority owner of

1048
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: The Black Effect.

1049
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: This isn't a this isn't a vanity label.

1050
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: This isn't something you know, Hey, let's just give him

1051
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: something and put his name on it, which, by the way,

1052
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: and I want to say this, a lot of those

1053
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: other companies, that's what they were trying to do. So

1054
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 2: a lot of those other companies, I never told him,

1055
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: like what I wanted to name it and stuff like that.

1056
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: I just, you know, my agent told them what the

1057
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: idea was. And a lot of those other companies wanted

1058
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: to do things like that, but they didn't want to

1059
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: give me no real ownership.

1060
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: They didn't want to give me no real equity. So

1061
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: I could have went other places and got like a

1062
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: big ass check and had a vanity podcast network, but

1063
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: I would have to run everything by them, and they

1064
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: would have to have first rider refusal on what I

1065
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 3: could bring in. Like I couldn't be like, yo, let's

1066
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 3: bring in eating while broke.

1067
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: They'd be like, well, who is by the way, shout

1068
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: out to you for that? I will. I want to

1069
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: say such on a couple of things before we wrap. Secretly, No,

1070
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm secretly scared of the time because your team is

1071
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: like assured me that I make over. One thing I

1072
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out to you is I did I

1073
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, I previously did come from the Nick can

1074
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: I work with Nick Cannon for like ten plus years

1075
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: as a partner and another company. And one of the

1076
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: things that I'm not hopefully discratches, but one of the

1077
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: things I noticed with being in the industry is male dominated.

1078
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about working with the

1079
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: Black Effect Network is that not only is it women

1080
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: of color that pretty much run it. I don't even

1081
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: know if there's men over there.

1082
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: There probably is, but male producers like a king.

1083
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: You're right, my producer is a male. But I'm saying

1084
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: like the the women are like really running it and

1085
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: holding it down. And it's like you could pick up

1086
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: the phone. I mean, if I say anything crazy, Dolly

1087
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: will call me in three seconds, dn't even end, and

1088
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: I immediately know I'm in trouble. But I love how

1089
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: it is. But I also love like I always ask

1090
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: people like the transparency, So how's he? How is he really?

1091
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: You know? And you take good care of them, and

1092
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: you don't see that a lot in the industry. I've

1093
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: seen more of the opposite, where the men get the

1094
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: checks and the women do the work and then the

1095
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: women don't get paid and then it's just like eventually

1096
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: they die off.

1097
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: Man, I don't Black Effect is successful because of Dolly Bishop,

1098
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: And you know I knew that.

1099
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: It's like, man, God tells me things.

1100
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: It's like I always do because Dolly's, you know, a

1101
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 2: family friend like Dolly's that's my homie before it's anything else,

1102
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: and so I always do. Like rock Nation is like

1103
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: a lot of my blueprint, And if you go to

1104
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: rock Nation, it's the same thing, like, you know, Daz

1105
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: is in charge, right, There's is the president a woman,

1106
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of other women in position of

1107
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: power as well. And you know, I just always think

1108
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: I always thought that was so dope because.

1109
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: Like, women get things done, I really do.

1110
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: I just did, especially black women, women of color, they

1111
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: get things done. And so it's like I always knew

1112
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start this entity and I want Dolly to

1113
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: run it, like I always knew that.

1114
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: Side note, so Dolly during the pandemic, I was doing

1115
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff because my company had shut down,

1116
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: and anyways, Dolly had called me and she said, hey,

1117
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about getting taken this job or whatever. I'm

1118
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: not too sure. I didn't ask her what it was.

1119
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, girl, if you don't have to

1120
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: punch a clock, get a check, they don't like watch

1121
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: you every day. What are we even discussing, Like we're

1122
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the end times, like take a check,

1123
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: you know. And for whatever reason, did not think to

1124
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: ask what the job was. You know, whil'n out niked

1125
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: pissed off the world with the jew comments, nobody knew

1126
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: what the heck was going on. I did not think

1127
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: to ask, So then I don't ask. I'm just like

1128
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: take the job. Like, what do we discuss Dolly? You

1129
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: I've seen Dolly play every hat and she's she's very

1130
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: skilled at you don't have to worry about her integrity.

1131
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: She can get the job done whatever whatever reason she

1132
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: questioned it. So anyways, I'm trying to do eating while broke.

1133
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: On the side, I like pitch my friends, like you know,

1134
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: all celebrity friends, like yo, I need you to take

1135
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: one for the team. And on one of the texts,

1136
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: I had said something about like Dolly and then one

1137
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: of them was like Dolly, and I guess in Variety

1138
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: they had just announced that she was like the president

1139
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: of Black I had no idea, right, so I get

1140
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: the text and I'm like, yo, Dolly, Yo, I need

1141
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: to use her name more, and she's like, what are

1142
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: you talking about? She I was like yo, and I

1143
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: sent her like the Variety thing like is this the job?

1144
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: And like what?

1145
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and she was like and don't

1146
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: use my name everywhere and I was like, I'm definitely

1147
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: using your name everywhere. And then true story. People always

1148
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: ask how I ended up on the Black Effect. I

1149
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: had been telling Dolly about eating while broke. So then

1150
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: I get a call one day She's like, you're gonna

1151
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: kill me. Why would I want to kill you? She's like, oh,

1152
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: you be so mad at me. Oh in my head,

1153
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm like no. And I had told her like when

1154
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I do eating while broke, like you gotta like we

1155
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: gotta put all our hats, all our names, and everyone's

1156
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: contacts have to come together, which, by the way, Dolly

1157
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: does not like to do. I didn't know that until now.

1158
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: But anyway, she calls me, she's like, so I was

1159
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: on the phone with iHeart, I s all you guys,

1160
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: and I pitched eating while broke and I was like, okay, well,

1161
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: what's the bad thing. She was like they loved it,

1162
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: and like Charlottage wants to show. And I was like, okay,

1163
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: what's the bad news. She's like, what's the podcast? I

1164
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: don't care. We need distribution, girl, I take it, like

1165
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: what do they need from me? And my in my

1166
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: garage was like the eating while broke table Like, I mean,

1167
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: my neighbors were driving past me like what is this

1168
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: girl up to?

1169
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: You know?

1170
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: And I'd always tell people like God like somehow aligned

1171
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: it because my plan for it was so like minute

1172
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: and then you know, accidentally by the share like accident,

1173
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: you guys end up in this call and everything happened.

1174
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: I think it was beautiful. And every time I see you,

1175
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: I always try to make sure you know, like you

1176
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: know that I appreciate you took a chance on And

1177
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I remember Dolly coming out to La like, we've never

1178
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: seen you in front of the camera, so we're gonna

1179
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch you do it. And then she saw

1180
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: me and she was like, this is you. This is

1181
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: I was like what. But uh, I hate talking about

1182
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: politics because I have my own insecurities. But recently in LA,

1183
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: I did interview a congressman and I just kind of

1184
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: just was like very transparent about, uh, how much I

1185
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: don't know about politics. It's not something I like to

1186
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: argue about because I don't know enough facts. I don't

1187
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: like to vote because I don't know enough facts. But

1188
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that I learned in that interview

1189
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: is I was talking to my dad and he had

1190
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: said something about like how he got all this money

1191
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: for like against like you know, the imprison the jail

1192
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: system or whatever. My dad had said something like, yeah,

1193
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: but how did he spend how is he spending the money?

1194
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: And I just didn't think to ask that question. And

1195
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: I think, you know, after that interview, after like getting

1196
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: that close in person with a congress person and seeing

1197
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: like who they are and how they got to where

1198
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: they're at, what I'm learning in politics and is that

1199
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: government and politics they're they're not necessarily together.

1200
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, it depends, I mean, you know, you have I

1201
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: think people forget that there's local politics and there's national politics.

1202
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: And I think most of the time, most of the time,

1203
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: what's happening you know, locally may not be happening nationally.

1204
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that I see happening, you know, locally,

1205
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: places that I wish were.

1206
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: You know, happening nationally.

1207
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: Like you know, right now, you look at Maryland and

1208
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: you look at you know what Wes Moore just did,

1209
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, by pardoning I think one hundred and seventy

1210
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: five thousand people from mister meaning marijuana convictions. Now, I

1211
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: think that's a great start. I think that, you know,

1212
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: they could go further. I think that they should pardon.

1213
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: If you know, if you're in prison right now in

1214
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: a state where marijuana is legal and you're in there,

1215
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: for a non violent drug offense. I think you should

1216
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: be pardoned, and I think your record should be exponged.

1217
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: But I think what what's is doing a great start.

1218
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: But I wish that that was the model for nationally

1219
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: because President Biden could do that, and for a person

1220
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: like President Biden, you know, who was hands on with

1221
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: the eighty six mandatory minimum centizen, who was hands on

1222
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: with the eighty eight crack laws, who was hands on

1223
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: with the ninety four crime bill, that would be a

1224
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: good way to atone, you know, for some of those

1225
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: for some of that legislation that you created that put

1226
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 2: so many black and brown people away.

1227
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: You could with a wave, with a stroke of a pen.

1228
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: You don't need nobody else but you to say, if

1229
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: you're a non violent drug offender in prison, you should

1230
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: be pardoned, and I think your record should be expunged,

1231
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: especially you know, marijuana.

1232
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And then I remember when marijuana became illegal,

1233
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: it was like anyone that had those those that record

1234
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: couldn't even get into the weed business. My dad was

1235
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: like very upset, like could you imagine, like you perfected

1236
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,959
Speaker 1: this career, You've spent ten years, and now you can't

1237
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: even get the LIFs.

1238
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, I got a license.

1239
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a dispensary opening in a New Jersey

1240
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: called Hashtoria.

1241
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: It'll we open this ship. You know.

1242
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: It's myself, Ray Con the chef, Bakari Sellers and a

1243
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: Jed and Josh Are are two partners who run Hashtoria.

1244
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: So we got a dispensary open and know we got

1245
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: a dispensary and consumption lone.

1246
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: For people that sorry to cut you off on that,

1247
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: For people that don't know that much about politics and

1248
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: are starting to think about voting, what are the questions

1249
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: that you feel they should be asking, like politicians are

1250
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: looking for in politicians.

1251
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: I tell everybody vote their interests. Like you know, it's

1252
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: not hard what people are looking for. I don't care

1253
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: if you're black, I don't care if you're white. I

1254
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: don't care what your gender is. I don't care what

1255
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: your sexuality is. Everybody wants money in safety. Life is about,

1256
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, doing something that's going to put you in

1257
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: a financial position to create some up with mobility, and

1258
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: we just all want to feel safe. So I think

1259
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: that you should look, you know, to the elected officials

1260
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: who are creating policies who are creating legislation that's putting

1261
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: money in people pocket and that's making people safe.

1262
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: Like it's really not that hard. It's not that difficult.

1263
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 2: And when you find that person that is doing those things,

1264
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: both of.

1265
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: Them, Okay, yeah, I think I like that advice. But

1266
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: I also I think in the past year, I don't

1267
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: trust as many people. I don't blame you, and I'm

1268
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: more like, even if I were to date now, I'm like,

1269
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: what's your resume looking like? But give me the X numbers?

1270
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't give it anymore. If you can't give

1271
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: me an X number and they say this is then

1272
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it anymore.

1273
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: References.

1274
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't started dating again yet, but yeah, my

1275
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: husband got fired or he's getting fired anyways. But yeah,

1276
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: I think like even with Kamala Harris, I heard like

1277
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: she was a district attorney that like put a lot

1278
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: of people away in her previous Like I'm looking at

1279
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: all references, but do you think that matters or no?

1280
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: I mean that one was interesting because she was a

1281
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: DA doing her job, you know, And I mean that's

1282
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: what the laws were, you know at that time.

1283
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: You know.

1284
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I've definitely seen her pivot, you know, on

1285
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: her stance in regards to marijuana. But that's why I

1286
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: think people like her, just like people like President Biden,

1287
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: should be advocating heavily and not just advocating. They should

1288
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: be doing pardon everybody in America on a federal level

1289
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: who has a non violent drug offense, especially for marijuana.

1290
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: They have the power to do that.

1291
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: They have the power to do it. And why do

1292
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: you think they're not doing it? Then?

1293
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't.

1294
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's pushing them politically, but that would be

1295
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: an amazing thing for both of them to do because

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Speaker 2: both of them have those reputations. Both of them have

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Speaker 2: you know, those type of records. So it's like, yo,

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Speaker 2: do that say that, Hey, y'all, you're changing with the times.

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00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: You know, just you noticed legislation that y'all that that

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: was created hurt a lot of people back then. So

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00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: it's just like that is the way you atone, you know,

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00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: for things like that. So I've been saying, I think

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00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: that would be one of the most fantastic political strategies

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Speaker 2: that they could do right now, you know, like during

1305
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: the especially during an election. Yet like all of this,

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: all of this right now is dream selling season. Everybody's pandering.

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: Everybody's saying, you know, and that's what's so crazy. Right,

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00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: You're in the White House, so you have power that

1309
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: your you know, opponent, Donald Trump does not have, So

1310
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: you can actually do things. He can only talk about

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: the things he wants to do. So, yes, it is

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: dream selling season. Yes, they are pandering to us for

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00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: our vote. And I mean those are the things that

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Speaker 2: I think that we should push for them to do,

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00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: because I can you imagine that headline. Imagine you opened

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00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: up your phone and you looked on you know, shade

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00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: Room or whatever whatever it is, you know, and or

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00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: just anything, and it said it said President Biden pardons

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00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: all non violent drug offenders effective immediately or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Like whoa you know.

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00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: That would that would get even and vote?

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00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: Okay? It rile everybody up.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, what what more can you share with

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: us in regards to get honest or die line? We

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00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: haven't already covered.

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00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: It's just a book that I want everybody to read

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00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: because I want to challenge everybody to be the most

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: honest version of themselves possible. We have to stop lying

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00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: on ourselves and we have to stop volunteering those lives

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Speaker 2: to other people.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: The subtitle is why small talk sucks because I hate

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00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 2: micro conversations. I think we got to, you know, find

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00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: a way to start having big conversations. I think that

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00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: we have too much, you know, unnecessary small talk, and

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00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: I think that we put small talk and the big

1337
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: talk on the same scale, so it feels like everything

1338
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: weighs the same when they don't, right, they don't. And

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: we don't know how to even have, you know, big conversations.

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01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: We genuinely do not have. We don't even know how

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01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: to discuss big conversations. And that's why America can't ever

1342
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: truly solve no problems. You ask me why, you know,

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01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: President Biden doesn't, you know, due to non violent pardon

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01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: the non violent drug offenders. Because nobody's really really having

1345
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: that conversation on a big, big level like they should.

1346
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: You know, they rather talk about transgenders and sports like

1347
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: that ain't affecting nobody's life, like God blessed them, you

1348
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: But it's definitely like that whome it's a media. In

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01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: your book, you even talked about like how they trade

1351
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: the like this Trump did it like to distract.

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: The people that's right, that's right.

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01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: And so it's just like your people like we just

1354
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: don't know how to discuss what we should be talking about.

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Speaker 3: We make minors majors.

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Speaker 1: Now, random question, do you think the algorithms play a

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: role in dumbing us down?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? That's why I hate algorithms. That's why

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01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: you have to disconnect. Like I tell people all the time,

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01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: don't be a don't be a surfer, be a wave,

1361
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: because surfers have to ride waves the algorithm depending. We

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01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: all ride the wave of whatever algorithm is presented to

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01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: us instead of actually being our own waves. And you know,

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01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: figuring out, man, what is what is it I should

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: actually be thinking about in regards to this situation, or

1366
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: should I even be thinking about this situation at all?

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: Think about things that come across your timeline every day

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: that you wasn't even thinking about, but now you can't

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01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: get it off your motherbucker mind just because it came

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: across your timeline. And guess what, it really don't even matter.

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Speaker 2: It's something so small and so trivial, but.

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Speaker 3: You I saw it. I saw them.

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: They were arguing a couple of weeks ago about are

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Speaker 2: you safer around a man or a bear, and I

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01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: mean and people having in depth conversations about this shit

1376
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: on park and I'm like, where the fuck did this

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01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: even come from? Why is this a thing? It's like,

1378
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: are you safeer around a man or a bear? How

1379
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: about we have conversations about how.

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01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: These conversations blow up Because everyone's so obsessed with viral

1381
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: moments and getting the hashtag to get these these numbers up,

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01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: it's become the it's like a chicken in the egg situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't be honest with you. I

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: don't know what it is. I don't know what makes

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: these things go viral.

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Speaker 2: I just know that we have to at the end

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Speaker 2: of the chapter every chapter, I say lesson discussion because

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01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: we got to start focusing on macros instead of micros,

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Speaker 2: Like why are we having conversations about women?

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,479
Speaker 3: What are you safe for around a man or a bear?

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: How about we just have conversations about how to make

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: women safe period? What the fuck bear has got to

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01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: do with it? It's it's just it's just silly to me.

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: So it's just like, yeah, I want to just get

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01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: us focused.

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01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: On just the macs, real discussion.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: Get to the real facts and keeping it honest.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: So please go get it, get honest, and die line

1401
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: while small talk sucks, available everywhere.

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01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: Uh, check out some of your other books if you

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: really want to in depth conversation on Who's Charlemagne is?

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01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: This hour definitely isn't gonna cut it the way I

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01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: would like it. I love that. And one last thing,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, and I told Jordan back then,

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01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking about doing this. I'm actually thinking about

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01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: hugging a tree. I'm that desperate right now.

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 3: Read I gotta I gotta chapter in my book. Read it.

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: I read it. I already read it, and it was like,

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01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what five or six minutes? You know

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: the tree? He said, the New York trees are different

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01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: from the other trees. I'm still trying to find a tree.

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: Chapter is called tree hugged the block, get connected with nature,

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: and we don't have to do another show for you.

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: It might have to be called like, I don't wanna

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: call it dating while desperate, because you're not desperate yet.

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: No, you said you're desperate. Just now you said you

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01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: were desperate.

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01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: Desperate, desperate for peace. Peace.

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh damnault.

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Speaker 1: Just be clear I'm single because well I'm still married,

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: and integrity wise, this sounds really silly.

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01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: What about dating while marriage?

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01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: Integrity wise? I should do that integrity wise, I just

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01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: can't do it while I'm legally like in my head,

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01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm like married, and then even if you go on

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01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: a date, it's like, yeah, I'm married, but I'm separated

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go No.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people go to this. I was.

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Speaker 2: I just did Pastor Kean's conference last weekend. He has

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: a conference called The Crowd Conference, and him and Shannie

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01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: were on stage having this conversation. He felt the same way.

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: He felt the same exact way because he was separated.

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01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: But you know, he knew perception wise, dating somebody like

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Speaker 2: Shannie O'Neil, he didn't want people to look at her

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01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: away and.

1439
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 3: Say, oh, she's dating this married man.

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01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: But he was going through a separation, and so I

1441
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: don't if if I'm fucking this up, I'm sorry passed

1442
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: the keon, But I thought I heard him.

1443
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 3: Say he couldn't live like that.

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: He still had to just he had to go connect

1445
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: with he had to go connect with Shani.

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh wait, he couldn't live like what he he connected

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: with her? Why No, No, I don't think they he obviously didn't.

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that he didn't let the fact

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: of everybody's perception.

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01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,479
Speaker 3: It's not even about the person. Maybe I'm getting that wrong.

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01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: No, it's not about the perception. I don't care because

1453
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: my husband fully admits he's a he's a superhore. But

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm it's not the perception at this point. Trust me,

1455
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: he's done enough to blow up any type of secrecy.

1456
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that integrity wise. I know in my

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01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: mind I made a commitment, right, So I'm like, yo,

1458
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: let me just.

1459
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: But you're going through a separation. If I'm not mistaking,

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01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: patter Keyon said he did want He wanted to wait

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: because he didn't want people to think that he was

1462
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: that that that he was cheating on his wife and

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01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: Shaanie was messing up a happy home. If I'm getting

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01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: that wrong, I'm sorry, pater Keyon, but it sounds very

1465
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: similar to me.

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: So I think we should.

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: Do dating while I'm married with Colleen and have her

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01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: in here interviewing potential candidates.

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01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's hilarious, right to this person, they said, because.

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01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: There's no better reference check than putting somebody out there publicly,

1471
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: because not even like, oh no I know him, go

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: I dated him. Now that people will be hitting you up.

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: They can't hide hilarious dating while married. Dolly, let's do it.

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01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: No, no, let's but I will say the reason why

1475
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: I want to hug the tree and stuff is because

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01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: I do feel. And I was telling Jordan, it's the

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: older I get, the more I am driven towards happiness

1478
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: or I mean peace over happiness. I could care less

1479
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: about a high when I know the low can come

1480
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: around the corner. I just give me a flat line.

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01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: And I used to never be like that. So when

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: I saw the tree hugging, Dolly made me do grounded

1483
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: because I ran away to her house. At one point

1484
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: I short it and she was like, take off your shoes,

1485
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: go in the yard and walk in the grass. And

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01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, Dolly, I'm saying I did it,

1487
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: but I'm like, maybe we could try a tree huggain.

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01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get into like meditating. Well I haven't started.

1489
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: I've been reading books about meditation. I'm that desperate to

1490
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: do those things. Not day, I think I deserve a

1491
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: nice break of being single. But we can play the

1492
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: dating show.

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: If you want.

1494
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: I like it.

1495
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: You're hilarious. Thank you so much for your time. I bagged, borrowed, stealed,

1496
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: harassed your entire team to the point that Dolly called

1497
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: me and said, if you want shar just call me

1498
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: and asked me when you're ready. And I did it

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: and she delivered it, and I was literally like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she did it.

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01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for I get to keep it. You get

1503
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: to keep it, all right.

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 4: Peace out, guys.

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,360
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