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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. All Right, rain Dross, If you've been

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Speaker 1: sipping with us, then you know Reality Crime Stories is

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Speaker 1: where glam meets gritch, and the headlines always comes with

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Speaker 1: a sight of hard truth. Courtney Parker and I put

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Speaker 1: back the velvet rope on fame, fortune and the fallout

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Speaker 1: they tried to hide.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Carlos. Everything from reality TV scandals to the

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Speaker 2: crimes committed behind the cameras, whether it happens on or

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Speaker 2: off the screen, Carlos and I will bring you the

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Speaker 2: tea surrounding hot topic crime stories involving all of your

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Speaker 2: favorite reality TV personalities.

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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child is that

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Speaker 1: in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Ray drops On today's episode Reality Crime Stories, I am

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Speaker 1: back with my co host Courtney Parker and our special

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Speaker 1: guest just Tyranny to break down today's hot topics. We

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Speaker 1: have so many updates for you, guys, Courtney and try

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Speaker 1: now you're ready for this.

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Speaker 2: We are probably not.

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Speaker 3: Write gonna disclaimer. We know that.

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Speaker 4: Boy, could I get it now later or you and now?

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Speaker 3: Girls? Not the way as I drink my smoothie. I'm

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Speaker 3: doing two smoothiees a day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, summertime fine.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's March and I need to be fine

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Speaker 3: for a look, I want to be fine from May

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Speaker 3: to August, so that's the.

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Speaker 4: Are we getting married in the summer?

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Speaker 3: No, okay, I want to marry the sand.

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Speaker 4: And riding drops.

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Speaker 2: I know you hate me, but I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 2: just again, I am here for legal education only. I

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Speaker 2: cannot discuss the facts of any open case. I cannot

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Speaker 2: give you legal advice. I am just here to explain

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Speaker 2: the legal terms and concepts and processes to you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I know you hate me, but I still love coming

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Speaker 2: here trying.

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Speaker 1: They love you actually, yes, yes, no, they actually love you,

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Speaker 1: which is good because we really have.

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Speaker 3: A lot to talk about. This evening. The first update

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Speaker 3: is breaking news. This just came out three hours ago, okay,

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Speaker 3: so rain Drops. We recorded this on Wednesday, you're seeing

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Speaker 3: And that is the latest update with doctor Wendy and

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Speaker 3: Eddie Osepho from the Real Housewives of Potomac, which all

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Speaker 3: of you all know that they were arrested for alleged

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Speaker 3: crime of insurance frog so Courtney tyranny. This is what

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Speaker 3: happened today, Okay. The update is both parties are going

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Speaker 3: to be tried separately. Okay. So Wendy and Eddie a

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Speaker 3: married couple where the Feds have a ledge that they

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Speaker 3: both committed insurance fraud. This married couple is now being

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Speaker 3: tried separately, Okay. Wendy and Eddie, Well, let me start

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Speaker 3: by saying this. Eddie waved his rights to a speedy trial, okay,

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Speaker 3: which is being tried within one hundred and eighty days

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Speaker 3: speedy trial. There was extensive discovery and he wants to

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Speaker 4: And he's a.

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Speaker 3: Lawyer, right he's a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: He's a lawyer. That's interesting.

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Speaker 3: prosecution were looking for dates in March this month. However,

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Speaker 3: Due to the trial schedule, it would have to be

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Speaker 4: Let me speak for myself. I am not.

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Speaker 3: You're not. But Courtney, did you watch the reunion? Was

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Speaker 3: Okay, Courtney, you know this. So Tyranny, there was a

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Speaker 3: and Wendy told her husband, what does this mean for

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Speaker 3: And it was a shock to all of us. I

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Speaker 3: they give very much power, a power couple United front.

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Speaker 3: So for her to say that, we were like, wait,

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Speaker 3: She wanted to get herself over with. It is this

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Speaker 2: I do have some Yeah, I have some strategic questions

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Speaker 2: when Carlos finishes finish okay, because I hear you Carlos,

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Speaker 2: and I'm wondering if, if, if it's going to be

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Speaker 3: Explained to Tyranny what that means, Well, a Joe.

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Speaker 2: And Teresa, you know, Real Housewives of New Jersey, New

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Speaker 2: which later led to his deportation. But that was, you know,

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Speaker 3: And she went to jail first and was able to

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Speaker 2: He had to go to jail. So but here becomes

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Speaker 2: my question. And because he's a lawyer, I'm curious as

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Speaker 2: is you could confuse the jury. Instead of proving your

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Speaker 4: So that is something that.

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Speaker 2: Could be problematic in any criminal trial. You also that

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Speaker 2: evidence is always going to lead. There may be evidence

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Speaker 2: But it's confusing to a jury when the evidence only

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Speaker 2: is going to apply to one defendant versus two defendants.

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Speaker 2: And it's really hard for a jury, even though they

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Speaker 2: to both defendants. This only it's really hard to unhear

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Speaker 2: something right no matter what instructures are whatever the instructions are,

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Speaker 2: So then you have possible spillage of over into each

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Speaker 4: It becomes very messy.

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Speaker 2: So there's no And again, I know I'm always repeating this.

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Speaker 2: I'm always repeating this, but I just want the public

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Speaker 4: Not to jump to conclusions. Suffering your trials does not

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Speaker 2: Guilty of anything. It just means that you want to

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Speaker 2: to allow that. So it does sound like from a

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Speaker 4: Be the same prosecution office.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there are different district there's one district attorney,

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Speaker 2: that's going to be so interesting, Carlos, because you know,

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Speaker 2: we saw we see this oftentimes in high profile cases,

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Speaker 2: especially when they're separate. It's going to be challenging to

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Speaker 2: though we know that it couldn't, but it could possibly

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Speaker 2: so you know, they probably all talked about this. What

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Speaker 2: two different outcomes simply because you have two different juries.

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Speaker 2: So the juries are going to interpret the documents, the evidence,

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Speaker 2: the communications.

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Speaker 4: They could see them totally different.

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Speaker 2: If if you have the same or a different prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: they could present the evidence differently, the defense strategy could

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Speaker 2: mean you're going to be prejudiced.

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Speaker 4: It is very well.

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Speaker 2: Likely impossible that you could get a different outcome with

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Speaker 3: That's actually very smart. I'm glad you brought that up,

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Speaker 3: because the thing is this, everything is strategy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's like a secret when it comes

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Speaker 3: to anything dealing with trial. I think it's part of

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Speaker 2: So in a trial, and we can't lose sight of this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was a shameless plug for my friends.

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Speaker 2: Well, I also just want to caution you from saying

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Speaker 2: But if it's possible that if something worth to come

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Speaker 4: They even though it look like I sent.

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Speaker 1: More to come with this, Courtney, you're a fan of

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Speaker 3: What are your final thoughts about this case? Do you

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Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I honestly think it was genius to separate.

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Speaker 2: I think Wendy will pray. Wendy's defense team will pray

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Speaker 2: If I'm a betting woman and I'm a head of

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Speaker 4: Making mistakes.

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Speaker 4: It's not always criminal behavior. We all made mistakes.

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Speaker 2: And there is one scenario we did not talk about

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Speaker 3: What's that.

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Speaker 2: Someone could be a cooperating witness. Both of us were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, and no, educate us.

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Speaker 3: This is a good education cony. By the way, Rady

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Speaker 2: University of Law and Order.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, Courtney. So in real life, guy, just

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Speaker 3: Right, she's a law she's in law school, So educate us. Tyranny.

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Speaker 1: So there's a possibility of a cooperating witness between one

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Speaker 2: So anytime you have codefendants and you sever a trial.

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Speaker 4: Testify for the state, and they possibly so you.

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Speaker 2: Don't want admit that together, so you're gonna separate it

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: I am not speaking to this case at all. I

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Speaker 3: I'm like me, I'm just like my going. I was.

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Speaker 2: Going to withhold it because I don't like for people

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Speaker 1: So I'll say this and you don't and obviously listen

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Speaker 3: I want to say, childs, we know with that right,

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Speaker 4: Hmmm?

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do see a world. I do see a

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Speaker 2: and the kids. We don't know the severity of anything

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00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: right now. So if it would be not necessarily a

446
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: slap in the face for a wife to say, you know,

447
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: I've got to do this because I honestly did not know,

448
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: I think it would be kind of, you know, integral

449
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: for the man to say, you've got to do this

450
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: to save our family because I made a mistake. So

451
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: I do feel because I don't want to assume an

452
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: emotion here. I don't want to assume the emotion of

453
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: him just not being anything if he did if there

454
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: is an alleged mistake that's been made, if there was

455
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: an alleged oversight on something, and now they're in sticky

456
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 2: and hot water, I would respect him if he says, hey, uh,

457
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: you gotta do what you got to do for our family,

458
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: and I'll take this on because we're I don't want

459
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: to make the assumption that anything was done with ill intent,

460
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: and I don't want to make the assumption that they're

461
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: not in a good place of understanding. And I won't

462
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: just note that anytime you're talking about trials, whether it

463
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: is one trial or two trials, you're always going to

464
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: be moving according to the calendar and the docket, according.

465
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 4: To the court.

466
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: So the defendants are not going to be in charge

467
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: of that. They're going to be They can waive the

468
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: rights to a speedy trial or not, which means that

469
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: they're going to go on this trial calendar within six

470
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: months if they don't, but the judge is going to

471
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: manage the calendar in the schedule. I'm giving this procedural

472
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: information because it's always important to realize that you can

473
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: always have a settlement before trial, and and and settlement

474
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: negotiations are generally not going to be public unless there's

475
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: a settlement. And those things happen every day all the

476
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: time up until the day of trial. So anything can

477
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: happen in the in between right now, and they're not

478
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: being detained.

479
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: Correct Carlos, They'll yeah, yeah, So a.

480
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: Lot can happen between now and their trial day they're not, which,

481
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: as I always say, should let the process work. Let's

482
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: not get caught up in partial evidence that you guys

483
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: believe you review.

484
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: Out of context.

485
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: Read but don't jump to conclusion, jump to.

486
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: Process. Play out. That's what it's here for.

487
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: We're jumping to conclusions. We're boiling the tea, we're sipping

488
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: the tea, and we're watching the reunions, and we're insinuating everything.

489
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: In her comment of I don't know if our marriage,

490
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: what's gonna be the fate of our marriage, we have

491
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: taken that comment and ran with it.

492
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 3: This is this is mortacon, mortacon, but no, Judge, thank

493
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 3: you for this rain jobs. Judge gave us some very

494
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: great educational information for us to use that to our

495
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: own devices. So we will obviously circle back with you

496
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: guys when we hear much more. The next case of

497
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: the docket we have is.

498
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: Not on the docket.

499
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: You know, after Courtney finishes law school in four years,

500
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: I'll be your next student.

501
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: So next on the docket we have britt Eadie. So

502
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: this is the latest update guys. When it comes to

503
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the lawsuit that britt Edie has against the problem, drops

504
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: are up to.

505
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 4: See we're shifting from criminal to civil.

506
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: Yes, oh.

507
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: See, this is why you need a judge in your life. Okay,

508
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: So we are transitioning from the criminal case between the

509
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: those cephos to now the civil case. As we talk

510
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: about britt Eadie so rain drops as of late February

511
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: twenty six former one season Real Housewice of Atlanta star

512
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: Bret Dye. That wasn't Shae. She she quit. It wasn't Shay.

513
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: She quit. She's one season she quit. It heart deface,

514
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: she quit. She quit, just former. I wanted in case

515
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 3: they're like, in case some people are like, wait, wait what,

516
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: So I wanted to make sure she was on the

517
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: show season sixteen.

518
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: Okay, you're being sactual Carlos.

519
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Thank you see I've been lost school. Hello, thank you, Tyranny.

520
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: Okay. Grey Edie has dropped her twenty million dollars in

521
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: New York state laws suit against Bravo, NBC Universal, and

522
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: the production companies regarding the explicit photo scandal. However, brit

523
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: Edie has filed a new sixty one page federal complaint

524
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: in the Southern District of New York. The suit alleges defamation,

525
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: emotional distress, and sexual harassment regarding a twenty twenty four

526
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: Real Housewives of a Latin incident. As you all know

527
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: is when Kenya Moore showed what we all assumed was

528
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: an explicit photo of Bridi. Brigeddi said to us that

529
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: wasn't her. So I do have a question for you

530
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: in regards to that tyranny. So according, don't maybe please

531
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: because the rangel's gonna get me, don't make me forget

532
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: to ask a question about the photo that calls this stir.

533
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: She's now saying wasn't her. So the key details regarding

534
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: the lawsuit update is she's alleging that the network knowingly

535
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: aired what she claims is a deep fake image and

536
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: because of that, it created a houstyle work environment. Now

537
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: I have tons of questions, Courtney. I'll have you ask

538
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: a question about dropping the case only to follow another one.

539
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: But my question is this from a legal standpoint, I'm

540
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: gonna ask it. If you can't answer it, let us know. Child.

541
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 5: Okay, I love this group, I don't love this sup.

542
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: So if if I am suing the network because of

543
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: an image that I thought was me, I'm saying, after

544
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: watching the episode, it's not me. But I suffered emotional

545
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: distress because the photo that the world didn't see. They

546
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: didn't see it because they didn't air it. They didn't

547
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: air the photo, just so you all know, they pixelated it,

548
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: they blurred it, they blurred it, they blurned it what

549
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, you can sue anybody, so we know that.

550
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: I think all of us are confused in terms of

551
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: if you're saying that this photo that caused this brew

552
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: haha isn't you, then how.

553
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: Did it impact your livelihood because the world never saw

554
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: the photo, and if it's not you, and the woman

555
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: who did it got fired, you stayed on the show,

556
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: you kept your job.

557
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: I feel were all confused. While there is a lawsuit

558
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: to begin with, let me.

559
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: Say something first before she educates us. It does speak

560
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: to though and Carlos. As producers and showrunners, we understand intent,

561
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: and we understand storylines going in that were whether we

562
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: get it wrong or not, we knew we know as

563
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying I mean we allegedly know what

564
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: storylines are gonna go before they are. Our cast typically

565
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: does not surprise us. There are moments where cast can

566
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: surprise us. But when you're show running, when you know

567
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: we have these network calls, we're on these things day

568
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: in and day out. We know every intricate part of

569
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: our shows, so it's we're rarely surprised. So whether it

570
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: was wrong, the wrong image was printed, where does the

571
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: intent to do this harm come in and I just

572
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: wanted to note that because I'm very I'm not confused

573
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: on what was printed, what was part of sty and

574
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: if I'm Brit she's saying and claiming, whether they got

575
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: the photo wrong, y'all knew about this. You intended to

576
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: try to blow up the spot. You showed a pixelated

577
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: version of this, and this became story. So now everybody's

578
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: looking online, searching the internet for the real photos of me.

579
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm now having to defend myself as a cast member

580
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 2: where I'm supposed to feel safe and somebody, if not all,

581
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: of y'all knew what was up. That was just my

582
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: two cents. That was my two cents as a as

583
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: a you know, creator of reality TV, as a showrunner

584
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: of Reality TV, and as a responsible producer and executive

585
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: producer of Reality TV. You know yourself, Carlos, how much

586
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: stuff gets blamed and sat in your desk in your lap,

587
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: whether you knew about it or not, whether you can

588
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: manage it or not. So I think that's where Brit

589
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 2: is possibly coming from.

590
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter if it was the wrong.

591
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: One, the story remains the same tiernany I will just

592
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: say that legally, the issue comes with if the photo

593
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: was false light or misrepresentation or misapproporation of someone's likeness,

594
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: with defamation, with all of these claims, it's always going

595
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: to be similar things. It has to be false, so

596
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: that that's one of the proms. It can't actually be true.

597
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: So it has to be false if it's a photo

598
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: or not a photo of you. But that that's the

599
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: first prom Okay.

600
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 4: So happened?

601
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: I explain that to us, it has to be the

602
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: wrong thing if she's saying it's not her. So again,

603
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about your case. I'm just saying yes, yes, yes,

604
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: says I'm saying the definite defamation, misappropriation of likeness, false light.

605
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: You have got to show that it was Falseiness involved

606
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: when something the person being accused put out something that

607
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: was false or said something that was not true.

608
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: Got it, okay, okay, So.

609
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: It went out to the public and it caused harme.

610
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: Got it? So in this case that if I posted

611
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: a photo of you doing something sexual and I tell

612
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: people this photo is of you, and let's say that

613
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: the photo was doctored because of my intent in making

614
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: the world believe this photo is of you, and it

615
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: is it, I still suffered defamation. Got it?

616
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: That is correct?

617
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: Got it? Okay, love what she says that? All right, right,

618
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: that was the main question the rain jops had.

619
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: Now the main in this world of AI, we have

620
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: to really you know, the courts are really looking at

621
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: this in a stricter and harder manner because you have

622
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: to realize that the damage that you can do to

623
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: a person's reputation. I mean, I'll just use myself in

624
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: my field. If someone put out a photo of me

625
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: that is not true or not my real likeness, with

626
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: the intent to mislead people, to harm my reputation, that

627
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: is an issue. That is an issue.

628
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: But what I'll find so fascinating is this the person

629
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: who did the crime right, meaning supposed to the image,

630
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: that person isn't being sued.

631
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know anything about these cases.

632
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: So again, from when we're talking about lawsuits, you know,

633
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: you can enjoy different parties.

634
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: I don't know who is a party to these lawsuits.

635
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: But again, anytime we are talking about workplace harassment mhm,

636
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: then you're generally you may sue the person who is

637
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: actually harassing you, but you can enjoy your actual.

638
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: Employer, and in the reverse, you can't sue the employer

639
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: and not necessarily the person who's harassing.

640
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: You, because it depends on what your claims are and

641
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: what you can prove, because you still have to prove

642
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: all of the elements.

643
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, because the thing is this, if

644
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: you have to prove that that's not you, because it okay,

645
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: if I if I'm suing you, saying Tyranny posted a

646
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: picture of me on Instagram to the famie, it's me

647
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: in a very inappropriate position. That's not me. The world

648
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 3: thought it was me. I'm embarrassed, and I sue y'all

649
00:47:53,360 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 3: you and whomever would have to prove that that's not me. Right, Well,

650
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: you're the person.

651
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: So we're in civil law now, right, Yeah, so going

652
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: to shift in civil law?

653
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: Tell me, okay, tell me that why? Why is the

654
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: burden going to shift in civil law?

655
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: Because the person whoever fouls the lawsuit has to prove

656
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: what they are accusing the defendant.

657
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: Of, got it? Okay. So we're not in.

658
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: A criminal case where the prosecutor or the opposing party,

659
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: I guess is what we would call the defendant in

660
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: this case, it is.

661
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Speaker 4: Not up to them to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 2: It's their different standards for criminal versus civil which is

663
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Speaker 2: why when we transition from criminal civil law, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to make that.

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Speaker 1: Notation that's good, that's good, that's good as good as good,

666
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Speaker 1: that's good.

667
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Speaker 3: So you don't have to prove nothing in terms of no,

668
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: that's that's Carlows, that is him. I the person who's

669
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: suing you. I have to prove that.

670
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: I have to show that it was false, that it

671
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Speaker 2: was made public, and that there was harm done.

672
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Speaker 4: And then I have to actually show the damages.

673
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Speaker 3: Got it? Got it? That's good, that's good.

674
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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that we're missing in

675
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Speaker 2: this is no, the person and in this case it's Kenya,

676
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: it's not being sued by brick It is it possible?

677
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Speaker 2: And this question is kind of for you, Carlos, and

678
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: we can be We can do the delicate dance of

679
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: conversation because we both have shows, we both show run

680
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: our shows. But where is the onus on the network?

681
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: Because the network ultimately has knowledge and approves certain storylines.

682
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: Is that why britt is charge them versus Keny Kenya?

683
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: Because that's always been her claim. She's always claimed, y'all

684
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Speaker 2: knew the producers knew that she was about to do this.

685
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Speaker 3: Not well, the thing is this what I rest the document?

686
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: Britt is more alleging that as we as we talk specifics,

687
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Speaker 3: Britt is alleging that.

688
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Speaker 2: Can I ask the factual question yes, because I'm not.

689
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: I have no knowledge of any of this, and brain

690
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: Drops's intentional. I never want to know about the cases

691
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: because I know you always are saying you all should

692
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: They are telling me you should read you should know.

693
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm here for to comment. So I

694
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: specifically and intentionally do not ever read the documents because

695
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm not commenting on that, but factually, I just am

696
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: curious about this show. Did the show actually air epixelated image?

697
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: The blurred image where you could not identify who it was?

698
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: And so the show aired something that I could believe

699
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: your presume and there there was almost a gotcha moment

700
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: in the storyline.

701
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: And they all have another question.

702
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: And this is for my producer's showrunners, just because I

703
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: don't understand how things are. These shoves are not live right,

704
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 2: they're editing correct, and so when you edit.

705
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 4: Where you're going, you can control.

706
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Speaker 3: You can't control whether or not you want to show

707
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: that yes.

708
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Okay, and go down that rabbit hole. Yes, So that

709
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: that is a producer's showrunners.

710
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: Job, right. The network is it's a.

711
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: It's bigger than just the.

712
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: Let's call it a global show like the show. The

713
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: show decides what people see or what the public.

714
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Speaker 3: Stats on television correct.

715
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: Okay, And and none of the what do you call

716
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: them prova levities, none of the proba levities actually control

717
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: any of them, now, okay, I understand them. Yeah, So,

718
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: in producers and showrunners defense, our biggest contender is always

719
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: going to be the network. The network always has final say.

720
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: So when people wanting to do reality TV understand that

721
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: once they purchased the show, you can have a lot

722
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: of influence, but it is there inevitably, it is their show.

723
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: You're running a show, and if you have wonderful creators

724
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: and partners like the Carlos King, then nine times out

725
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 2: of ten, things like this won't get out of hand

726
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: because you have somebody really, really really sincerely advocating and

727
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: fighting for talent.

728
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to answer your question.

729
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: I also have legal departments.

730
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was gonna say that the thing is

731
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: this and this will always tell people because you know,

732
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: I cant blame for everything, child, because I'm the face

733
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: of the production. Just like just like when you are

734
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: the hit of the household and something goes awry in

735
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: your home, your neighbors are going to blame the hit

736
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Speaker 3: of the household.

737
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Speaker 1: Right, it is what it is. But look at it

738
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: that way, however legally right, right, it's not us. We

739
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: there's so many people above me, and the words of

740
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: the cool kids is above me.

741
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: Now it's above my pay grade.

742
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite quotes.

743
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: Yes, it's above me. Now it's above my pay grade.

744
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: That is the case for all producers. I am not

745
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: a network, but never has final says every corney said,

746
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: they say yang or day, and you can have suggestions,

747
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: but ultimately they're the one holding the purse strings. And

748
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: like you said to Karny, they also have an entire

749
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: legal department that looks at things. And the reason why

750
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: this is such an interesting case to me is because

751
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: on the show, Britt was never just so you know,

752
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: Britt never saw the photo because she left the event

753
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: before it was displayed. So when Kenya displayed the event

754
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: from the housewives and this let's say fifty people, all

755
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: of this.

756
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: Is on a television show this is airing, so fifty

757
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: people present, but the world one two point seven million people.

758
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: Watched, just as diffic Courtney. So I want I want

759
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: to make sure that tell Terrany was different in real time.

760
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 3: At Kenya salon, the housewives and fifty people saw an

761
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Speaker 3: unedited photo of a woman performing filatio.

762
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Speaker 2: Okay, her reaction was prog yes, and Kenya.

763
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 3: Said this was Britt Edie. Grig Edie left the room

764
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Speaker 3: five minutes before Kenya showed the photo, so when the

765
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Speaker 3: photo was shown, the other housewife left. Photo was disgusting.

766
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah. The ladies told Britt, she showed

767
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 3: a photo of you performing filatio. Right, So Britt ran

768
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: with that narrative She never because so she wasn't feared

769
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 3: to see it. She ran with the narrative of it

770
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: now based on what she said on the show. She said,

771
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 3: when that happened, I was young, So although she didn't

772
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: see it, she she did say, there is a photo

773
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: of me doing that, but I was young, and and

774
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: you know, she gave all the reasons why it was

775
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: out there. How embarrassed she was in all the and

776
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: and all the things. She continued filming Kenya got suspended. Oh,

777
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: immediately they cease, They cease philming Kenya.

778
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: But they still aired it.

779
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 3: They so the fifty people saw being an edited photo.

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00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: What they aired it was a blurred you couldn't you

781
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: couldn't see it.

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: Why now, I mean they aired the incident correct, Yeah,

783
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: and it kept going like they not only aired the

784
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: incident when Kenya got suspended, it kept that particular storyline

785
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: alive because when you go back to why Kenya was suspended,

786
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: all roads lead back to So if I'm picking it

787
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: up at episode ten and I'm like, well, Kenya's not

788
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: here and people are talking about that in real time,

789
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: then I'm going to go back to episode six and see, well,

790
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: why what led up to it? Because now we control

791
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: how we watched television. All of these things are on demand.

792
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: So again it's you know, it's just it was.

793
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say that in any time.

794
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: You see a hostile workplace alleged, it's not just that

795
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: it happened one time, it's when it's allowed to continue.

796
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: What did the employer do to stop the hostile workplace

797
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: or the impression of such?

798
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: And because they thought they suspended her proper word, the

799
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: moment that hasn't happened in real time. She did not

800
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Speaker 1: film since they suspended Kenya and brit was allowed to

801
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: continue filming Kenya was suspended, right and.

802
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: Which which it seems like this is layered with a

803
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: lot more issues than just a contractual dispute.

804
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: Yes, with.

805
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: Probably land to why the case has moved now to

806
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: federal court because now it looks like there may be

807
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: these some federal loss because when you're talking about airing

808
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: things that such as this on television, now we're talking

809
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: about federal laws. Then you're talking about civil rights protections,

810
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: and you know, there we possibly could be talking about

811
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: things that happen across state lines in filming. Not sure

812
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: if they filmed only in Atlanta or in different places.

813
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 4: So there's so many variables where this is.

814
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: It may explain why the case is now more appropriate

815
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Speaker 2: for federal court.

816
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you that because she refiled

817
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Speaker 1: at the federal level.

818
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: And now is it and and and according to the

819
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: new federal complaint tyranny, she's not seeking a specific dollar

820
00:59:52,880 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: amount right. Instead, she is requesting compository damages, punitive damages,

821
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Speaker 3: attorney fees, an additional relief deem appropriate by the court.

822
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Speaker 2: And she wants this to be a jury trial, right,

823
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: I will just say while he's checking that actual damages

824
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: you have to prove so I lost this amount of money,

825
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: I lost this amount of contracts, it impeded my ability

826
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: to work here or there or where you have to

827
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: actually calculate your actual damages. Pinative damages is where you

828
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: can say a jury can say this behavior is so reprehensible,

829
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Speaker 2: we're gonna put a number on here where you never

830
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Speaker 2: do this again. And when we're talking about corporations or

831
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: big businesses, the numbers tend to increase because when you

832
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Speaker 2: say five or ten million dollars to a regular civilian,

833
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: that is a lot of money that would bankrupt our

834
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Speaker 2: entire family. But when you're talking about large corporations, five

835
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: or ten million dollars may not put a dent in

836
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Speaker 2: their operation. So that's why punitive damages are allowed, because

837
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Speaker 2: that's when you hear these huge verdicts like one hundred

838
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: million dollars or you know, in Florida there was a

839
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: billion dollar verdict against Big Tobacco that was later appealed.

840
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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying these are the kind of verdicts

841
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Speaker 2: that they want.

842
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Speaker 4: To send them. The jury is saying, this is so egregious.

843
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Speaker 2: I want to send a message to the corporations and

844
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Speaker 2: two other corporations, do not do this again, a Chinese

845
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: fees are going to be actually what you spent. So again,

846
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Speaker 2: that may be a part of the reason why the

847
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: language has changed, because now the jury is going to

848
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Speaker 2: get to decide what the number is for punitive damages,

849
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: but the planet still has to actually show actual damages

850
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Speaker 2: and calculate the attorney's.

851
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Speaker 1: Fees and the actual damages is losing money because of

852
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Speaker 1: this scandal, losing jobs, losing income because of the scandal.

853
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Speaker 2: You can base it off of her contract, her existing

854
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Speaker 2: contract with them.

855
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: Well, she continued fail me. She got paid for all

856
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: the episodes she was in, but she could.

857
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Speaker 2: She could have pegged herself as the next Nini Leeks

858
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Speaker 2: or Bethany Frankel of the franchise. But they didn't fire her.

859
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: No, she quit.

860
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Speaker 2: She quit, But that's what I'm saying. But she's kind

861
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Speaker 2: of forced to quit because it was a hostile working environment.

862
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: I was just saying. I was just talking as strictly

863
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: based on the punitive damages, because if I can prove

864
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: to you, I lost money. How was that even possible

865
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 3: in terms of the networks?

866
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Speaker 1: Right when, like Tyranny said, which is again, now we

867
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Speaker 1: kind of can understand the legal conversation that was happening.

868
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Speaker 3: Behind closed doors.

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Speaker 1: You have to get rid of Kenya, right like you

870
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Speaker 1: just have to right if you This is me saying it.

871
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: Based on the facts of the situation. Now I understand

872
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 3: why they had to suspend Kenya because if she continued filming.

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: It would have made My legal opinion is britt would

874
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: have had a much better case for housile work environment

875
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Speaker 1: based on this woman who showed a photo.

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Speaker 3: But now she has to prove how that is effective

877
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: bottle line, So we'll see what she says with that.

878
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: They did not fire her, They continue filming with her.

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Speaker 3: She decided to quit the show a few days before

880
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: taping the reunion. So the other thing I just want,

881
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 3: I want to paint the picture for Tyranny is that

882
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: particular moment of the photo being shown to that moment

883
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: being shown, excuse me, the photo because it was blurred

884
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: was maybe episode five or six, six, I think six.

885
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: I think there were twelve more episodes after that, and

886
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't until they were ready to take the reunion

887
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: that she said it wasn't me. And that's why a

888
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 3: lot of people were confused because.

889
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: They were, like, you let these episodes air, you went

890
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 1: on watch What Happens Live after that moment you told

891
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen how you felt. That's why a lot of

892
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: people are surprised. I just wanted to paint the picture

893
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: for tyranny.

894
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: Which is why we have to allow for them to

895
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 2: get to the discovery in order to review the evidence

896
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: in court, because there is a lot of presumptions once

897
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: again that may or may not be true. The court

898
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: is going which is and let me just say this

899
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: for the range drops and for you all, less than

900
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: two percent of federal civil.

901
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 4: Cases make it to trial.

902
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: Less than two percent of federal civil cases make it

903
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: to trial. Before that happens, they can settle, it could

904
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: be dismissed due to motions, because now that its in

905
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: federal court, it has to go through different motions and

906
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: it has to survive. Of course, the defendants are going

907
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: to put forth a case of why this.

908
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: Should be dismissed.

909
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: But once or if it survives, then you get to discovery.

910
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: The discovery is where you're going to see all of

911
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: the internal communications, all of the documents, everything's going to

912
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: be timestamped. You're going to really get a timeline of

913
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: what happened, when it happened, how it happened, and that

914
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: could lead to a settlement, It could lead to a dismissal,

915
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: or it could lead to some kind of pretrial negotiations

916
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: with motions before. So again, this is why I always say,

917
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: let's not jump to any presumptions. But lawyers do not

918
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: file lawsuits in federal court generally without having some evidence.

919
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: Can you so before we wrap up, I do want

920
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: to Can I break down what she's alleging and can

921
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 3: you explain to us what that means? Yes, I think

922
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: we all understand such a harassment a house of work environment.

923
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: So I think rain DAWs, we know that gender motivated violence.

924
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: What does what does that mean?

925
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: It means that based on her gender, there was violence

926
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 2: perpetrated towards her as a woman, as a woman.

927
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: Meaning that this is not the type of.

928
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: I guess generally, this is not the type of conduct

929
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: or an issue a man would have to deal with.

930
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: Oh Okay, okay ati splits a photo of performed Okay Georgia.

931
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: Non Consensual Intimate image law violations.

932
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 4: M hm, say that again. This isn't This is in

933
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: federal court. Now, did you say Georgia.

934
01:07:55,640 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: It says Georgia here not it says g Orgia non

935
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 3: consensual intimate image law violations, which I'm assuming image means

936
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: the photo, the photo.

937
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 2: She didn't get consent, You didn't give consent to basically

938
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,799
Speaker 2: show a what do we call it, undressed photo?

939
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: Got it? Okay?

940
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: I think we all know what intentional infliction of emotional

941
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: distress means. I think we know that negligence, in this

942
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: particular negligence.

943
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 2: The negligence could be a variety of things, but it

944
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: could be of the handling of the situation, the handling

945
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: of the images, the post handling of the situation. Because

946
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: you gotta understand that there is more than one way

947
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: to stop work place harassment.

948
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean, oh, if I just do one thing,

949
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 4: then I'm off the hook.

950
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: So if I get rid of a bad actor, but

951
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:17,560
Speaker 2: I still perpetuate an environment that makes bad actors comfortable,

952
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: the workplace harassment could be continuing. Right, you got one

953
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: of the things that I also read very very early on. Okay, okay,

954
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: go go go go.

955
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, no, I think we all know contract

956
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: related claims. We don't have our contracts, so we can't

957
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: speak to that, okay, but.

958
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: I will like to say this about contracts. The contract

959
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: is going to matter. So because you negotiate a bad

960
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: contract isn't just gonna let you off the hook. You

961
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 2: don't get to say now I got a bad contract,

962
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: now I'm mad, and now I'm gonna sue you. You're

963
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: gonna need something more than you negotiate a bad contract.

964
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: You're going to have to show some conduct that actually

965
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: violates a protected class or protected activity.

966
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 4: It's not just simple like, hey, I work in a

967
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 4: bad environment. Like there are a lot of bad environments

968
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,520
Speaker 4: where we work in that may not rise.

969
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 2: To the level of actually violating a protected class or

970
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,440
Speaker 2: protected behavior.

971
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 4: And this is back to the rain drops. Y'all know.

972
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm contract driven, always, always, and I understand that sometimes

973
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 2: people are gonna say that the networks and the producers

974
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 2: have all the power. But a contract can be at

975
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: the very least red. And I don't mean that you

976
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: per se has to read it. This is where it's really.

977
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: Important for you to get legal counsel. No one should

978
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 4: sign any.

979
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: Contract without legal consultation because you need someone reading the

980
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 2: fine print.

981
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,440
Speaker 4: We don't know what's in this contract.

982
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: This contract may have said something that deals with this

983
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: kind of behavior that gives the network and out because

984
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: the network, like I said, has a huge legal team.

985
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: All networks have huge legal teams. So again, contracts can

986
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: be negotiated. And just because they have the power, that

987
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 2: does not mean that they are not willing to actually

988
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: make some amendments because there are certain things, like Courtney

989
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: said that networks are always going to have the final

990
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: say because they've.

991
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 4: Put resources into things in like that. But there's small tweaks.

992
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I look at a contract lawyer before I became.

993
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: A judge, where you can make you can change a

994
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: word or two and it changes. You can change a

995
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: word from shall to make and it changes the whole understanding.

996
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 4: And those little tweaks are things that.

997
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: People when they're dealing with contracts should really kind of

998
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: focus in on. But at the very least, the contract

999
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: has to be read and you should get a lawyer

1000
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: to consult it, to give you legal consultation before signing it,

1001
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 2: because a lot of people are just so excited to

1002
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: be on reality TV and they probably just signed away

1003
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: kind of skim over it. Don't really read it. People

1004
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 2: tell them, oh, it's standard, this is a standard contract.

1005
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: It's standard jargon.

1006
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 4: No, you need a lawyer.

1007
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 3: And last one, the carious liability.

1008
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: Bycarious liability, what does that break that down for us?

1009
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 4: That I guess.

1010
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: You are going to be liable through the actions of

1011
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: someone else due to your positioning. So when people say

1012
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 2: I'm living vicariously through you, she's saying she's alluding I'm

1013
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,480
Speaker 2: suing you vicariously by what you allowed your other talented.

1014
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: To Kenya in this case, right through Kenya, because she's

1015
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: not suing Kenya so.

1016
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 3: Well, because I really do Yeah.

1017
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: I believe that she's feeling the onus is on the

1018
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: network because ultimately they knew. One of the things I

1019
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: read and I could have gotten this wrong. So let

1020
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 2: me know if you read this too. She was saying

1021
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: that the props went to like Staples or something like

1022
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 2: they had this poster made her a photo that was

1023
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: that was made and on display like.

1024
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 4: A PA went to get it.

1025
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: It was picked up. So there's a lot of you know,

1026
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:19,919
Speaker 2: coercion and planning that went into this scene that was filmed.

1027
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: Did you hear anything about about that Carlos, you have

1028
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: a sinister look on your face.

1029
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: Noat Okay, repeat the last part.

1030
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: What I think a lot of people want to know

1031
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: when this came up for me because I was asked

1032
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 2: about this as one who show run shows before, Like

1033
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm always asked, what part does producers executive producers, what

1034
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: part do we play? Because we know when we're filming

1035
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: a scene. When we're filming these scenes, we pretty much

1036
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 2: have a basis of what's about to happen. Oh case, the.

1037
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: In this case, production had no idea. They had no idea. Okay,

1038
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: so when she when Kenya showed the poster board, everybody

1039
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 3: meaning the production shot shot. They had no idea she

1040
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,879
Speaker 3: was doing this. They had no clue.

1041
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: Now to your point earlier in terms of staples and

1042
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: all of those things.

1043
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 3: You know, there was a poster board saying who is

1044
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 3: this hole? And there were several photo images of her

1045
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 3: in yeah and not not not nothing sexual, just like

1046
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: you know she called her insurance for on the hole

1047
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 3: and all these other things. So the poster board had

1048
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 3: these images and then one poster board is when it

1049
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 3: was the explicit phone on that one. So, yeah, somebody listen,

1050
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 3: unless Kenya has a jet brinner at the crib, Like

1051
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 3: you said, somebody has to print it, do all the things.

1052
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I wanted to make sure that production

1053
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: had no idea she was doing this zero and production

1054
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: it and and.

1055
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 3: Was not happy. I was not happy. I was not

1056
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 3: happy with it, and was just like why and and

1057
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 3: and in Kingya's defense, she has cent on record that

1058
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: she did this on her own, on her own.

1059
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 2: So so then the bigger, the bigger question becomes why

1060
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: the network chose to steal air it? Because we shoot

1061
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: lots of scenes all the time that never make air

1062
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 2: and live on the cutting room floor. Where does the

1063
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:11,560
Speaker 2: onus and responsibility of the conglomerate lie?

1064
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 3: Well, again, I think that's something that we're about to

1065
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: find out is based on the going because again I don't,

1066
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 3: I don't have the answer to it. Yeah, I think

1067
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 3: I think that's what we.

1068
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: Call it discovery, discovery, right, yeah, yeah, And we also

1069
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: call it integrity. And Carlos is a creator and executive

1070
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: producer of integrity. I strive to be one because when

1071
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 2: when anything fails and anyone walks away from an experience

1072
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: that was supposed to be good, you know, we are

1073
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: not just here to spill tea and destroy lives. Like

1074
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 2: we're also as producers impacted and whatever we can, whatever

1075
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: we can control, we typically do try to operate in integrity.

1076
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1077
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: Well, once they get through the motions phase, if it survives,

1078
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: Discovery is where the money is, right, you know, Discovery

1079
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: is going to tell exactly what happened, and so that

1080
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 2: if it makes it too Discovery, then a lot of

1081
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: questions will be answered for the court and in term

1082
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 2: for the public.

1083
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1084
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: As for Kenya Carlos King, have you heard from her?

1085
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: Have you spoken to her? How is she doing even

1086
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: though she's not being sued. Does she feel like she no,

1087
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Does she feel like she was the scapegoat

1088
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 2: for this? Does she feel like she had to die

1089
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: on the sword for this?

1090
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: You know?

1091
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: How is she?

1092
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: Well?

1093
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: She did a live on Sunday and she appears to

1094
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: be in a great mood. She talked about how she

1095
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: has several projects in the works. She talked about how

1096
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: she hasn't burned the bridge with Bravo, so.

1097
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 3: She seems she was in really good spirits. She's been busy.

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Speaker 3: I haven't spoken to her in a minute, but I

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Speaker 3: did see some clips of her life on Sunday and

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Speaker 3: she's she has red hair, honey, and she is living

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Speaker 3: her life. Yeah, and what about Britt?

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Speaker 2: Has anybody?

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Speaker 3: No, Britt has kept a low profiles, you know since this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: she hasn't been out there like that at all. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: she just hasn't. She's definitely did a good job keeping

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Speaker 3: just like Aby, a very low profile.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So rain Jobs, you guys have a jam packed episode. Listen.

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Speaker 3: This one, I feel was one of our most educational

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Speaker 3: ones because I'm walking away from having so much knowledge

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Speaker 3: based on Tyranny's breakdown from the criminal case that we

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Speaker 3: with those cephos to the civil case. We are talking

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Speaker 3: abob with Brady. So rain Jobs, let us on the comments,

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Speaker 3: your thoughts, and we will continue to update you as

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Speaker 3: more things progress. Thank you, Courtney, thank you, Tarranny.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you.

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