Speaker 1: Hello everyone. I'm Devin Simone with the cold, and.
Speaker 2: I am Davon Rogers as healthy as can be and
Speaker 2: rude MTV's Official Challenge Podcast.
Speaker 1: It is not rude like that. It'd be your own
Speaker 1: friends for your downfall. That Christmas tree, okay, don't okay,
Speaker 1: I know I need because they are sold out of
Speaker 1: the ornament storage that I want and so that's why
Speaker 1: my trees are still up. People do not judge me.
Speaker 1: If you were in New York and you see Christmas
Speaker 1: trees in the window, just look away, pretend it is
Speaker 1: not me. Okay. Anyway, we are talking about the reunion
Speaker 1: this week. We have got to get into it. First
Speaker 1: of all, I just want to shout out Maria Minwos.
Speaker 1: I love her hair. I like that color on her.
Speaker 1: I thought her makeup. She looked lovely, as she always says.
Speaker 1: A lot going on. Bets were there right on their
Speaker 1: own stage. Literally was quite a ways away.
Speaker 2: Social social distance, social distancing.
Speaker 1: And then we see some of the heavy hitters there.
Speaker 1: H A lot happened and we're gonna get into it
Speaker 1: in the interview. So I want to like save some
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about fashion, because you'll already know
Speaker 1: your girl was watching, So we're gonna touch on fashion,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna save that too. But I think one
Speaker 1: of the biggest bombshells that was dropped this episode, besides
Speaker 1: the fact that Hue and Chauncey were once on this
Speaker 1: season and we forgot, has to be the chain in
Speaker 1: which that whole like phone call from nurse's brother, like
Speaker 1: where that information came from. We find out in this
Speaker 1: episode we find out that it actually came from Anissa Day.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Where you surprised? Like
Speaker 1: what I that was very interesting.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know Anissa knew Nares's brother, so that
Speaker 2: was a shock.
Speaker 1: Not only did they know each other, sounds like they were, uh,
Speaker 1: they were looking up intimately. Yeah, Tori said it was
Speaker 1: pillow talk, which, yeah, toy should be No One's lawyer.
Speaker 1: By the way, she said she Tory should be No
Speaker 1: One's lawyer because at least you're gonna lose every time, don't.
Speaker 2: But you know what I thought was interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: finding out that Anissa was the person that played telephone right,
Speaker 2: that was one thing. But the statement that Kara made
Speaker 2: when she was like when Olivia said it didn't makes
Speaker 2: sense to me that, you know, Anissa would be the
Speaker 2: one to say that. Before I left, she told me
Speaker 2: good luck and I and then Carl was like, but
Speaker 2: that's Anissa, that's what she does, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh Jesus, I didn't know that they're that they had
Speaker 2: some type of beef.
Speaker 1: They've kind of have their own you know, EBB and
Speaker 1: flow I think of a history. What's interesting though, is that,
Speaker 1: like we've you know, Anissa is one of our podcast
Speaker 1: sisters here and last time I checked on the relationship
Speaker 1: with her and Lived. This was a while ago, but
Speaker 1: I I remember one time we were doing an episode
Speaker 1: of the podcast and Live was sort of a special
Speaker 1: guest because Live was staying with a Life and visiting.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious as to A are they still friends?
Speaker 1: And B why like why she told the brother. But
Speaker 1: then also the thing I feel like we never got
Speaker 1: addressed in this reunion is why did Olivia say that?
Speaker 1: Because and Nourise seemed to be asking that question too,
Speaker 1: because Nourice was like, if you didn't want to be
Speaker 1: my friend, why didn't you just tell me? And Olivia's
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, I should have, but it's like why,
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand why you would say that about
Speaker 1: your friend anyway, And then Corey tried to come in
Speaker 1: with some rigormarole about whatever. I don't know, Corey, I
Speaker 1: don't we don't know. I didn't know this, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Getting answered because it kept getting over taked right over
Speaker 2: talked with things that did not matter.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. I didn't want to say it did
Speaker 1: not matter part, but that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: That didn't that Corey was trying to conflate it and
Speaker 1: make it just like what he did. That was not
Speaker 1: the same at all. This happened outside of the house,
Speaker 1: so that was not the same. But we didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't under stand why Olivia, and she didn't seem to
Speaker 1: explain why she had these feelings towards someone who was
Speaker 1: supposedly a really close friend. What do you think, dad?
Speaker 3: Was this?
Speaker 2: What she did say? What she did say was I
Speaker 2: said some things, but it was not as harsh as
Speaker 2: Anissa is making it sound, or as Anissa is making
Speaker 2: it sound. And so at that point, I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's y'all need to let us hold something.
Speaker 2: I feel like at that point I would have asked her, well, baby,
Speaker 2: what did you say exactly?
Speaker 1: That's what we want to know, is exactly, well, what
Speaker 1: did you say? What in fact did you say? Because
Speaker 1: can be a straight talker, like meaning like Anissa just
Speaker 1: say stuff like sort of bluntly or straightly or whatever.
Speaker 1: So so if we're giving Olivia the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 1: then fine. Also, we know that telephone is messy. Anytime
Speaker 1: you tell someone one thing and then they tell someone else,
Speaker 1: and then they tell someone else, like, it can just
Speaker 1: get so you guys have played that game in kindergarten,
Speaker 1: Like it's just not a great game to play kindergard
Speaker 1: But it just seems like two sets of friends selling
Speaker 1: themselves under the bus is sort of the thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like Olivia is sort of throwing in a reason of
Speaker 1: the bus and then Anissa throwing Olivia under the bus,
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait, you guys were all good. I'm
Speaker 1: just so confused about what the origin of this was.
Speaker 1: And Nourice seems genuinely hurt by. Also, did you see
Speaker 1: the band that Melissa and Big Ta were making when
Speaker 1: because Nourice basically said, like Olivia and I were like
Speaker 1: Big Tea and Melissa, you know we used to be there.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they wore matching outfits or not,
Speaker 1: but like basically and when they cut back to like
Speaker 1: Melissa and Big T's response to that, they were like
Speaker 1: crying and holding each other in that moment. But that
Speaker 1: was that was like a bombshell drop.
Speaker 2: I think it was a huge bomb drop. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: she she should have been face timed in, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: you know what they should.
Speaker 1: Have That actually would have been really so good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about in the very beginning when
Speaker 2: Maurice was crying?
Speaker 1: Look, I like, I think there is power and vulnerability always,
Speaker 1: and I think being able to show your emotion is powerful. However,
Speaker 1: I do hate to see emotion shown to people who
Speaker 1: don't deserve it, if that makes sense. And so because
Speaker 1: they did Nourice so dirty, Like if I were there,
Speaker 1: I'd have been like, here, Nurice come crying to my shoulder, like,
Speaker 1: don't let them see you. And then you like, okay,
Speaker 1: chest out girl, and I'll get back on that stage
Speaker 1: and you know, you're like, don't let them see you
Speaker 1: sweat just because they came at her so hard, and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it was warranted. Now, last season,
Speaker 1: I would have loved to see her cry because she
Speaker 1: got on my nerves last season, to be honest, her
Speaker 1: going after Raven was annoying. But this season, I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I didn't want to see her cry, and
Speaker 1: it was cool seeing how she and Raven are close
Speaker 1: now by the way too, yeah, so much.
Speaker 2: They've grown so much. But that just shows you because
Speaker 2: you know, they were speaking up of being inside of
Speaker 2: the Challenge House and you know how you spend so
Speaker 2: much time with people and how one day is like
Speaker 2: three months, right, yes, and so you're with that person
Speaker 2: all day, every day, and so a lot can change
Speaker 2: and a lot can happen in that matter of time.
Speaker 2: That's why all of these hookups, it's like, yes, it's
Speaker 2: happening so quickly, but in their in challenge time, it's
Speaker 2: actually not.
Speaker 1: It feels like it really does. It feels like the
Speaker 1: bonds you make in the Challenge House. It's like such
Speaker 1: a weird phenomenon. It really does feel like a lifetime.
Speaker 1: It's creative. Have you thinking not straight? For sure? It's
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. What else was crazy was the shady cameraman
Speaker 1: and producers. I loved shout out to Corey in his suit.
Speaker 1: By the way, I loved that, but not them bringing
Speaker 1: out the balance beam and then them replaying slow motion
Speaker 1: the ending in which she fell off the balance beam.
Speaker 1: He did, but then they reached the producers but went
Speaker 1: back and replayed it. Just a level of petty that
Speaker 1: is above and beyond a lovely Okay, you know we
Speaker 1: have to talk about who's gonna get your gold star
Speaker 1: and time out of this week? So why don't we
Speaker 1: start with timeout? Who gets your time out of the
Speaker 1: reunion this week?
Speaker 2: Who gets my time out? I'm gonna give my time
Speaker 2: out to a soft because I just feel like ASoft
Speaker 2: was doing a lot, especially towards the end of this episode.
Speaker 2: I feel like that that that confrontation with Kylin did
Speaker 2: not have to get to that point, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And Kylin, is that fault too, because you
Speaker 2: know you have to learn and self control, But at
Speaker 2: the same time you turn around and you called me
Speaker 2: to b word. All bets are off, all bets are off,
Speaker 2: and so you know, I just it was. It was bad.
Speaker 2: It was bad and a soft. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: put you on timeout and hopefully you'll get out one day.
Speaker 2: But today you are over there.
Speaker 1: How about you today? My time out. It definitely a
Speaker 1: soft definitely was his top tier in there. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, I get try hard vibes,
Speaker 1: I do. He looks great and a crisp white button
Speaker 1: down and his hair looks lovely, But I get try
Speaker 1: hard vibes, and I don't love try hardness. It just
Speaker 1: I don't know something about it doesn't resonate great with me.
Speaker 1: But since you gave it to 's Off, then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to give it to Callum because I feel
Speaker 1: like it was another try hard Like you came out swinging,
Speaker 1: you had a lot to say, your best didn't match
Speaker 1: your pants, and even if it did, it still wasn't great.
Speaker 1: And so pick a struggle like you can't just pick
Speaker 1: pick one at least, And so I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: say Callum, his smile looks great, everything else less. So so, uh,
Speaker 1: he's going to be my time out of the reunion
Speaker 1: this week. Who is your gold star? Gay?
Speaker 2: My goal star? And I feel like I've been given
Speaker 2: this person my goal star for a while and it's
Speaker 2: no reason to switch it up now. Oh you know what, Nope,
Speaker 2: that's a lie. Let me switch it up, okay now,
Speaker 2: because I still want to give her goal star. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's let's cut my thar in half. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: cut my throat.
Speaker 1: But who are you, Jesus and your gloves of bread?
Speaker 2: What is this my star in half? Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give half to my starts in a Reese because I
Speaker 2: felt like this had to be a very difficult reunion
Speaker 2: for her, because after the way that all of these
Speaker 2: people did her throughout the season, to have to come
Speaker 2: back and see all of these people, it's like, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like to baby girl was going
Speaker 2: through it, and so I'm gonna give her my goal star,
Speaker 2: as you know, encouragement. But then I'm also gonna give
Speaker 2: a gold star to Laurel.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give a gold star to Laurel because
Speaker 4: she said, I don't care how I feel about Michelle.
Speaker 4: I don't care what beef me and Michelle have, chicken,
Speaker 4: turkey or pork, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let you callum disrespect her like that
Speaker 2: I have to beef, chicken, turkey or But I agree
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on Laurel's actually my gold star
Speaker 1: of the week. I liked what you did for Michelle.
Speaker 1: But actually the reason why Laura gets my gold Star
Speaker 1: is because Laurel's responses and facial expressions were cracking me
Speaker 1: the up. She cracked me up when Michelle was talking
Speaker 1: about so you just talked about her defending Michelle. But
Speaker 1: then also when Michelle was talking about her game playing,
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, we come from Survivor and so
Speaker 1: there's a certain type of gameplay Dona do and it
Speaker 1: doesn't translate well and Michelle and Lauura was like, you
Speaker 1: think you'd learn to switch it up? Then I Laurel
Speaker 1: just was killing me all episode, so funny, and and
Speaker 1: I love Laurel because I feel like when Laurel is funny,
Speaker 1: she is not trying to be funny, which is what
Speaker 1: makes it funny to me. She's just being Laurel. So
Speaker 1: shout out to Laurel. Laurel does get my gold Star?
Speaker 1: Who gets your Fashion Award for this half of the reunion?
Speaker 1: So basically, will do one for this part of the
Speaker 1: union and then we'll do one. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: it's the same people, but whatever, We'll do one for
Speaker 1: the next episode too. Who gets your Fashion Award? Hmm,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to give it. I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: it to two people.
Speaker 1: Day can never follow. I can't a here's the deal.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to give one to Michelle because I
Speaker 2: thought she looked really, really nice. But then I also
Speaker 2: want to give it to Mariah. Mariah said the hell
Speaker 2: yeah dress okay, And you know that she's played the
Speaker 2: hell out of the dress because soon as she stood
Speaker 2: up and walked to go pick from a little chaos
Speaker 2: bookie thing, everybody was like dang, oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like she did what she
Speaker 2: needed to do. So yeah, I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 2: those two. How about you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop asking you the answers the questions first,
Speaker 1: because you just pick all the people and then and
Speaker 1: then it's like, not even good. I'm not doing that
Speaker 1: to give it to the K So I'm basically I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, So I would like to give it
Speaker 1: to honestly mine in half. I'm going to give half
Speaker 1: of it to I actually appreciate the ombre suit I take.
Speaker 1: I think it takes it's a bold choice. I think
Speaker 1: it takes a very special person to be able to
Speaker 1: do it. But I do think he pulled it off.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it, and then also Mariah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mariah and that chrome outfit was killing it. She looked
Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful head to toe. Everything was good. Honorable mention
Speaker 1: is Michelle and the red because the red was really
Speaker 1: popping on her and I like her hair swept up
Speaker 1: like that. But Mariah's whole look was like, you know,
Speaker 1: she kind of looked like the moon Man, you know,
Speaker 1: like not like stature, but like the award you get
Speaker 1: at the like VMA's, which is all like silver and stuff.
Speaker 1: It was cute. She looked good, So shout out to
Speaker 1: Mariah forgetting fashion icon a ward. All right, now, we
Speaker 1: are going to probably by the end of this episode
Speaker 1: give out an award for like friendliest Labrador or like
Speaker 1: jolliest challenge competitor. I don't know what we're gonna call it,
Speaker 1: but coming up we have the one the Only mister
Speaker 1: Ed or as he says, sexy Ed, which stays in
Speaker 1: the podcast and you'll see where that comes from coming
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. So GRAVI snak, do some calistenics,
Speaker 1: some stretches, I don't know, work on a tan gram
Speaker 1: whatever you do, don't go anywhere because we have big
Speaker 1: ED coming up right after this.
Speaker 2: Friends, family, and cousins. I am so excited for this interview. Here,
Speaker 2: Devin and I have the amazing the gone too soon.
Speaker 2: We got ed, y'all, we got ed. Welcome in to
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1: It's the human labradoodle. I think that's what I called
Speaker 1: you last time on Aftermath. You're like a labradoodle, like
Speaker 1: fluffy and cuddly and all the things that I know.
Speaker 3: People love that. They were like, oh, he is a dog.
Speaker 3: He's like in a good way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a good way, Yeah, good kind. You're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: old dogs are good, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you're like so like full of energy and you kind
Speaker 1: of bounce around. So great. So Hi, we are excited
Speaker 1: to have you here. Thank you. First we have to say,
Speaker 1: I know he said it before, but congratulations on your engagements.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: We appreciate that we're making some big moves.
Speaker 1: Do we have a date? Have we picked a date yet?
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, we didn't plan anything yet. We were Yeah,
Speaker 3: have a lot to plan. Okay, I don't know, We're
Speaker 3: gonna figure it out. It was gonna Yeah, a year
Speaker 3: or two in the in the making.
Speaker 1: Oh good, good, give yourself some time.
Speaker 3: Just yet. I don't know how to plan a wedding.
Speaker 3: This is my first one, so.
Speaker 1: It's very stressful. Let me just tell you, coming off
Speaker 1: of just planning one, it is. I still haven't fully recovered,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it'll be amazing. So congratulations to you, guys.
Speaker 1: We love to see love and despite you being engaged,
Speaker 1: I want to know how did you feel when Maria
Speaker 1: asked Maurice, who of the guys right, basically like who
Speaker 1: would you let your best friend date? And you were
Speaker 1: the only one? She said, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 1: And were you surprised by that answer?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: That was pretty cool? I was like, all right, represented
Speaker 5: for the team. Good guys, because I don't know, like
Speaker 5: if you I'm sure it's saw all the stuff on
Speaker 5: the show with everybody, just the whole cast, we're just
Speaker 5: kind of banging each other. So yeah, yeah, I feel
Speaker 5: like nobody has really any self control, So to go
Speaker 5: in there and just have some self control and be
Speaker 5: like a respectful dude, I think that speaks a lot.
Speaker 5: So I was very I was very happy. I was
Speaker 5: honored that Nourice had said, uh, you know, out of
Speaker 5: all the guys up here, like whoever, she would let
Speaker 5: her friend date his head. But then she said she
Speaker 5: was like, but he's engaged. I said, yeah, you know, yeah, limits, But.
Speaker 1: Exact period exactly, were there any hookups you were surprised?
Speaker 1: There had to be something that you were surprised. There
Speaker 1: were some I was surprised by. And I've been doing
Speaker 1: this a long time. Who were you surprised by when
Speaker 1: you found out they hooked up in the house?
Speaker 5: Gosh, I feel like all of them, Like, well, when
Speaker 5: you think about it, it's like such a like a
Speaker 5: short moment in time, Like I mean, I guess it's
Speaker 5: kind of long. You're there a few months to two
Speaker 5: months or so, but it's like you're there for business, right,
Speaker 5: You're there for a purpose. So the fact that like
Speaker 5: everybody just started like cracking, like like in the first week,
Speaker 5: everybody just started pointing and it turned into a shit show.
Speaker 1: But like, who else was going yet? Well, we know
Speaker 1: was I man weel versus everybody? At one point?
Speaker 5: Essentially him and Berna I didn't know anything about.
Speaker 3: I just found out at the reunion. So that one
Speaker 3: threw me for a loop. I was like, when that.
Speaker 1: Happen, Yeah, wild, wild, wild, and we just had e
Speaker 1: Manuel on by the way, and yeah he owns up
Speaker 1: to his uh wildness a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot going on in that house,
Speaker 1: but it seemed like it was you know, TJ threw
Speaker 1: in his chaos and his control and all the other things.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about this format this season? Did
Speaker 1: you like that there were these sort of segments and
Speaker 1: TJ kept switching it up or do you feel like
Speaker 1: that made the game harder?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like it was kind of
Speaker 3: all over the place.
Speaker 5: It was like nobody knew what was going on at
Speaker 5: any point in time. And we went through like the
Speaker 5: first phase, which was like four challenges, so we thought
Speaker 5: it would follow a similar format, and then we get
Speaker 5: to the next phase and it was like ten challenges long.
Speaker 3: We're like, when is this ever gonna end? It was
Speaker 3: just like it was very inconsistent.
Speaker 5: We were trying to guess and we thought we knew
Speaker 5: what was coming up next, and then it just didn't
Speaker 5: go that way. So, I mean, I guess it plays
Speaker 5: into the whole chaoticness of the whole show.
Speaker 3: It was pretty chaotic series throughout.
Speaker 1: For sure, y'all were chaotic Crew one hundred.
Speaker 2: What to expect at any time?
Speaker 1: Literally no one knew what to expect. What was it
Speaker 1: like competing against the Vets? So you get to this house,
Speaker 1: you realize there are no Vets that are actually playing
Speaker 1: the game initially right, and then you find out that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to like compete against them when it
Speaker 1: comes to eliminations, and not just Vets but like iconic Vets.
Speaker 1: What was that like for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So, I mean for me, I was a little bit
Speaker 5: like indifferent about it. Like I know, some people were
Speaker 5: scared shitless. They're like, oh no, they're coming, They're gonna
Speaker 5: get me. But I feel like, I mean not going
Speaker 5: on as I say this, but I feel like I
Speaker 5: got along great with every you know Vet that I
Speaker 5: played with on thirty.
Speaker 3: Seven And people didn't even meet, but.
Speaker 5: I've just have like spoken to I feel like I
Speaker 5: had a pretty good relationship with the Vets.
Speaker 3: The fact that they.
Speaker 5: Weren't on the season throughout the whole thing, I was
Speaker 5: kind of like, oh man, I wish I would have
Speaker 5: got to work with them more because I feel like,
Speaker 5: especially on thirty seven, they kind of like took me
Speaker 5: under their wing and they were like like, we'll take Eddie.
Speaker 5: He's a good guy. So I kind of like wish
Speaker 5: they were there throughout it, but no, I felt like
Speaker 5: I was in a good position where I didn't think
Speaker 5: they were going to try and come after me. I
Speaker 5: really wasn't expecting, especially seeing the people who showed up,
Speaker 5: even out of the guys I didn't know. I mentioned
Speaker 5: this on another podcast, but like that was my first
Speaker 5: time meeting like d Rell, I've never talked to those
Speaker 5: guys before. And they showed up and they're saying hi
Speaker 5: to people who they know, and they were like, oh
Speaker 5: but it's here too, like never met you, but always
Speaker 5: been excited to meet ed Like he seems like a
Speaker 5: good guy.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's the biggest compliment. That is awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 5: Super excited to hear that. I was like, boom, we're
Speaker 5: boys with like the bad asspects too, like all these
Speaker 5: times I didn't even know, like they knew who I was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was so cool to see.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, because I want to get into
Speaker 2: this room. Oh I want to get into this reunion
Speaker 2: and your boy I don't even know if it's your boy,
Speaker 2: but your boy Asaf.
Speaker 5: Assaft, he's ah.
Speaker 2: My goodness. During the reunion, Assaf starts throwing shots and
Speaker 2: I mean shot immediately at all events during this reunion.
Speaker 2: I mean, was it weird to be in the room
Speaker 2: as with them as this is happening?
Speaker 1: How is that?
Speaker 5: Nah? He's like unintentionally one of the most funniest people
Speaker 5: you're ever gonna meet. Like, I don't think he like
Speaker 5: means to be like like I think.
Speaker 3: He tries to come off as like, you know, big.
Speaker 5: Bad, tough guy calling you out, but like if you
Speaker 5: really know, it's off, like he's like very funny and
Speaker 5: goofy and just it's chilly, so like to hear him
Speaker 5: like take shots of people, like, I'm just like, ah,
Speaker 5: like that's funny.
Speaker 1: Like because you're the one who makes him think he's
Speaker 1: a comedian, is the one who him up.
Speaker 3: He doesn't mean to be No.
Speaker 1: I disagree, and I don't disagree with you a lot
Speaker 1: of things, except for this and a game move that
Speaker 1: you made earlier in the season, but we'll get to
Speaker 1: that later. You know exactly what I'm talking about, Ed,
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I don't know. I think he thinks
Speaker 1: he's funny and tries to be funny, but he definitely
Speaker 1: came in hot in the reunion, which was I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's part of what makes it kind of Yeah,
Speaker 1: it provokes his hair looks great though, yeah so sor much.
Speaker 1: Yeah he really does it does his hair is great.
Speaker 3: But he does like that.
Speaker 5: I just feel like, make enemies that aren't even like
Speaker 5: the kind of mees right like thing where it's not
Speaker 5: even beef.
Speaker 3: Like you said this about me and now I'm pissed,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I think so, I think you guys
Speaker 3: are cool.
Speaker 1: But I guess that's exactly and that's what I mean
Speaker 1: about it being it feels a little intentional when you
Speaker 1: went into the ring and did you, like, I know,
Speaker 1: you get along with everyone, which is i'd say a
Speaker 1: skill in it of itself. Did you feel tension going
Speaker 1: into it that day? Since there were certain people who
Speaker 1: hadn't seen each other or spoken and obviously we've seen
Speaker 1: how this like game kind of played out, did you,
Speaker 1: being there that day, feel any sort of tension from
Speaker 1: anyone not aimed at you, but just kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in the room with these two people and they
Speaker 1: you know, the vibes feel weird kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a few of us like went out
Speaker 5: like the night before and it was like the calm
Speaker 5: before the storm, where like everything was cool, everybody's having
Speaker 5: a good time.
Speaker 3: I think everybody there kind of got along. But then
Speaker 3: there was other.
Speaker 1: People all went out with you. Do you remember who
Speaker 1: were some of the people that went out.
Speaker 3: It was a big group.
Speaker 5: I know it was like, uh, Emmanuel, Jay Callum, James,
Speaker 5: Mariah Ravens, Zaza, Nurice Michelle who else.
Speaker 3: There was like a lot of people and Darrell was.
Speaker 1: There the last one there, which does not surprise me
Speaker 1: at all. If you know Durell, you were not surprised
Speaker 1: that he was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Drell impressed the ship out of party abilities.
Speaker 5: He was out all night having a blast. I was like,
Speaker 5: all right, this guy, he's funny.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Darrell. We adore we love him. So okay,
Speaker 1: so everybody, So all these people went out the night before,
Speaker 1: But did they just not address anything about the season.
Speaker 1: Was it kind of like, Hey, we're just not going
Speaker 1: to talk about anything. We're going to all party and
Speaker 1: have fun. Were there any arguments that happened the night before?
Speaker 5: I don't think there was really any arguments. I think
Speaker 5: the arguments you know, that were coming were with like
Speaker 5: people that didn't go out that night, and you could
Speaker 5: tell like some people were kind of saying like, oh,
Speaker 5: I can't believe like so and so actually came like
Speaker 5: to the reunion like can't wait to see them tomorrow
Speaker 5: and say this, this and that.
Speaker 3: So it's like you kind of knew it.
Speaker 5: Was coming, yeah, Like, yeah, you knew there was some
Speaker 5: hostilities and some shit about to go down, But that
Speaker 5: night it was very calm. Everybody was just in have
Speaker 5: a good time mode. And I guess everybody was just
Speaker 5: getting ready because the next day it was going to
Speaker 5: get ugly.
Speaker 2: It was it had to be comforting knowing that this
Speaker 2: person is going after this person, this person is going
Speaker 2: after this person. No one's coming after me.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like I feel like it's not
Speaker 5: like that hard Like I feel like everybody goes in
Speaker 5: there and makes all these like enemies and I'm like,
Speaker 5: for what, Like why don't.
Speaker 3: You just be cool with people?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand it.
Speaker 5: Maybe because I'm just not very like a confrontational person,
Speaker 5: Like I'd rather not even waste my time arguing with somebody.
Speaker 3: But some people live for that. They love arguing.
Speaker 1: And who do you on the cast? Who do you
Speaker 1: think lives for arguing?
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, who loves arguing? A lot of people.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we just talked about a soft he
Speaker 5: likes to argue. Him and Kylon we're going at it
Speaker 5: a lot. And also Melissa likes to argue. The reason
Speaker 5: likes to argue Ray.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that like, like, okay, certain
Speaker 1: things will.
Speaker 5: Happen, and everybody's just jumping at the bit to give
Speaker 5: their oh no, no, no, And I'm like, uh, he's
Speaker 5: like out of it.
Speaker 2: It's been built up from the months.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Manuel's win? Were you shocked
Speaker 1: to find out that he won? Where you like, oh
Speaker 1: that tracks. Was there any point in the game that
Speaker 1: you sort of saw that coming.
Speaker 5: No, No, I definitely wasn't shocked at all, especially when
Speaker 5: you kind of see who went into the final. Looking
Speaker 5: at everybody there, I was like, if Emmanuel doesn't win, like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Something's gotta be wrong.
Speaker 5: Like he's a very good competitor, and I feel like
Speaker 5: a lot of the people that were his like direct
Speaker 5: competition like just got like shift it out of the
Speaker 5: opportunity to even you know.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Jay when you say shifted out
Speaker 1: of the opportunity.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sucked. The whole j thing getting purged. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole purge thing. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Why do you think been able to make it to.
Speaker 5: Technically Jay's his walls to purge his was like an elimination. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's fair game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michelle was purged.
Speaker 3: Michelle was purged.
Speaker 1: That was tough to watch. That was super shocking. Like
Speaker 1: that actually like stung. I feel like, Yeah, my thing
Speaker 1: is like.
Speaker 5: I feel like on the challenge, like the whole basis
Speaker 5: of it is like you have to like fight to
Speaker 5: be there. So if you don't even get the chance
Speaker 5: to like fight, like some people just have a weird day, boom,
Speaker 5: you get purged and you're gonna, you know, some freak
Speaker 5: action happens.
Speaker 3: You're the last one and you're out.
Speaker 5: It's like that sucks. That's a terrible way to go.
Speaker 5: I'd rather go fighting. At least somebody beat me. Somebody
Speaker 5: be the better man that day and take me out.
Speaker 1: Follow that.
Speaker 3: But like if you go down like I went out
Speaker 3: on a purge too.
Speaker 5: So that's where I'm Yeah, I'm pissed off because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, yeah, that was tough. It was great
Speaker 1: seeing you play this season of the game. We will
Speaker 1: get back into this reunion. But you know, I have
Speaker 1: to ask, now, there was a moment in time when
Speaker 1: you had the power, okay, and you were gonna be
Speaker 1: the one that like says the name first, you're going
Speaker 1: through the thread of who you were gonna say, you know,
Speaker 1: like who you were gonna like sort of protect versus
Speaker 1: not protect. Can you walk us through again the thought
Speaker 1: process there, of the moves that you made and would
Speaker 1: you still do it again today?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is kind of what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: I got a lot of heat for that. Everybody was like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, how could you just listen to Jay's plan?
Speaker 3: Like, you're an idiot. You should have made your own decision.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, that was my decision, right,
Speaker 5: I know everybody would have wanted to see me, save
Speaker 5: like Biascio or Kylon or you know something.
Speaker 3: Like that for example, anybody else. People were like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're so thumb why didn't you do that?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you why, Because I wasn't really working
Speaker 5: with them from the beginning, So right off the start
Speaker 5: of the show, I kind of for to my alliance
Speaker 5: there and then I'm like, you know.
Speaker 3: Super loyal ad like, yeah, to stick with it. So
Speaker 3: I stuck it out.
Speaker 5: I had the power, and just the elimination before was
Speaker 5: when it was a decision between either me or a
Speaker 5: manual going in. And I was actually very tight with
Speaker 5: a manual. He was like one of my boys from
Speaker 5: day one, like we were actually very close. So anyway,
Speaker 5: the decision was either going to be me or him,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, all right, well there's five options. I
Speaker 5: was pissed about that. That's when I did the whole
Speaker 5: like leave it.
Speaker 3: In a tie thing, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did
Speaker 3: the stalemate.
Speaker 5: I switched my vote to Jay just because I didn't
Speaker 5: want me to go in and I didn't want a
Speaker 5: manual to go in, just because I really liked them.
Speaker 5: We're boys, like, we have a good relationship. So the
Speaker 5: next elimination or this was two later, I forget what
Speaker 5: the timeline was, but I had the power, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it was the very next one, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: last elimination, it was either me or a manual.
Speaker 3: That like weren't gonna be safe.
Speaker 5: So this time me and Emmanuel, I'm making sure we're
Speaker 5: both safe just because like I didn't like how it
Speaker 5: went down. I'm like, out of five options, you're only
Speaker 5: gonna pick from two. I'm like, so now these two
Speaker 5: are gonna be safe, definitely, Like that's my boy. We're
Speaker 5: actually close. And I've been working with Emmanual since the
Speaker 5: very beginning, I know, like Kylon Harassio, Raven Olivia, like
Speaker 5: they came and saved me like that last time when
Speaker 5: they all switched their votes and it hi. So everybody
Speaker 5: was expecting me to pick them, and I'm like, all right, look,
Speaker 5: I could pick one of them, but like I established
Speaker 5: my loyalty like day one, I haven't waivered from it.
Speaker 5: So let me just solidify the fact that like I
Speaker 5: do what I say, I'm not gonna switch up, and
Speaker 5: the fact that was like if I did switch up,
Speaker 5: and maybe the very next time, they're like, you know what,
Speaker 5: ed you just came to us now that we saved you,
Speaker 5: like you're the bottom of our alliance, Like we're gonna
Speaker 5: throw you in next time, Like maybe they would have
Speaker 5: just tossed me to the side.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how it was going to play out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me stick with the.
Speaker 3: People you know have said they had my back.
Speaker 1: So so it's more of an e Man weel thing,
Speaker 1: it sounds like than it was a j thing like
Speaker 1: wanting to show your loyalty to Eman. But do you
Speaker 1: really think e Man well would have been at risk
Speaker 1: that round like that, like in hindsight, because I get
Speaker 1: that it sounds like you wanted to protect him because
Speaker 1: you guys, it was between the two of you the
Speaker 1: time before, and you guys were boys. But do you
Speaker 1: really think that he because as a viewer, and obviously
Speaker 1: they're only showing us fragments, right, But I my guess
Speaker 1: is certain people were ignited in watching you make that
Speaker 1: move because it seemed like you're Allian, we can all
Speaker 1: see the Labrador in you, and that you're your loyalty
Speaker 1: and it seemed like you're alliance. Certainly some of them
Speaker 1: weren't equally like it's loyal to you and had shown
Speaker 1: that they were willing to kind of put you on
Speaker 1: the bottom. And it also seemed as a viewer like
Speaker 1: if there's one thing about what I and Kyland, it's
Speaker 1: that I mean Kyland. Maybe not when it comes to dating,
Speaker 1: because that's separate thing, but when it comes to gameplay
Speaker 1: and friendships, is also very loyal, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like you can take us at our words. So I
Speaker 1: think people were like, hey, they had your back. You
Speaker 1: can at least trust, you know, like if they say
Speaker 1: they've got you through and through, they probably will. Whereas
Speaker 1: Jay is just seemed it seemed like you were doing
Speaker 1: it more to support Ja. I understand now it's for
Speaker 1: a manuell, but does that make sense, Like do you
Speaker 1: kind of see right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I know people think that was like Jay's master plan,
Speaker 5: but I think too, it was like I kind of
Speaker 5: wanted to see the people that were like the not
Speaker 5: like the floaters, but like the bottom of the alliance
Speaker 5: were like consistently I feel like myself, like Immanuel, even
Speaker 5: like Colleen, like people that were consistently like at the
Speaker 5: bottom of the alliance despite being loyal the whole time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, let's save these people first. So I knew.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm gonna save Emmanual, Like I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna pick Jay, I'm not gonna pick who like Michelle.
Speaker 3: Or or whoever liked that, like the main alliance.
Speaker 5: I was like I'm gonna pick somebody that's kind of
Speaker 5: like at the bottom. I'm gonna take my pick, and
Speaker 5: then from there you guys do whatever you do, Like
Speaker 5: I only have one pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, it's just gonna play out. However
Speaker 5: it plays out like I'm not.
Speaker 1: That totally makes sense and that totally tracks that it
Speaker 1: was you. I think you for explaining that, not that
Speaker 1: you had to, but that you knowing your friendship with Emanuel.
Speaker 1: Now it makes a lot more sense on.
Speaker 2: This reunion because I want to get back into it right.
Speaker 2: Toy makes a statement and she says that Maurice should
Speaker 2: have been crowned as a winner as well.
Speaker 1: Do you agree or do you disagree?
Speaker 2: Especially since Emmanuel is your friend. I would love to
Speaker 2: know if you think he should have been a solo
Speaker 2: winner or he should have shared that.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at least lately how the challenge has
Speaker 5: been going with like the all the previous seasons, there's always.
Speaker 3: Been like two winners. Yeah, at least for the last
Speaker 3: I don't know how many ten seasons or so.
Speaker 1: For the main show, definitely, yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't know why they decided to switch
Speaker 5: up the format.
Speaker 3: That was kind of interesting.
Speaker 5: I think there should have been one boy and one
Speaker 5: girl winner, Like I think everybody agrees with that. I'm
Speaker 5: definitely not like like, oh, you know, it was a
Speaker 5: manual and nobody else deserved it, Like, no, everybody was
Speaker 5: there fighting for it.
Speaker 3: Like I think definitely a woman deserved to be champion
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about the heat Michelle and
Speaker 1: j have been getting for their gameplay this season?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a bit much.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're not like evil masterminds, like purposely being
Speaker 5: like super devious. It was just like they kind of
Speaker 5: teamed up because they're friends. They've known each other a
Speaker 5: long time, and they're they're friends with, you know the
Speaker 5: same people like Jay, Michelle and Maurice, Olivia, Mariah, like
Speaker 5: that whole alliance when it formed, It's like these people
Speaker 5: are friends in real life. Makes sense that they're going
Speaker 5: to band together and hey, there's this alliance and there's
Speaker 5: this alliance and like we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Try and get you out. We're gonna try and get
Speaker 3: you out.
Speaker 5: But it makes it seem like on the show that
Speaker 5: it was much more like devious and like evil than
Speaker 5: it actually was.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think there was any sinister.
Speaker 5: Like plots like oh, we hate Harassio and he has
Speaker 5: to be out. It was just like, ah, he's good,
Speaker 5: try and get him out, like that was their thinker.
Speaker 1: Like I see what you're saying, and I one it
Speaker 1: seemed like, while there may have been multiple alliances, I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree that they're the Michelle and
Speaker 1: j or what did account call it the Michelle Protection Package,
Speaker 1: which I love was that that there was much more
Speaker 1: weight and size in that alliance. I feel like even
Speaker 1: TJ sort of acknowledged it at a certain point in
Speaker 1: the game that there was like a lot of size
Speaker 1: and weight to that alliance compared to the other fragmented
Speaker 1: alliances that were attempting to form. And while Michelle and Jay,
Speaker 1: you know it didn't I joke that Michelle's the godfather
Speaker 1: of the season and she doesn't love that. It's true.
Speaker 1: She came across as like a real power player, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I
Speaker 1: think she seemed fairly direct in her moves that she
Speaker 1: was making and was clear about why she was making them,
Speaker 1: and I think she did have a lot of influence
Speaker 1: in the game. But I don't again, don't think it
Speaker 1: was bad. I hated to see her get purged like that.
Speaker 1: Jay seemed a little bit more hide your handy and
Speaker 1: a little bit less direct about moves he was making,
Speaker 1: like standing on decisions that he was making. When you
Speaker 1: look when you compare the two of them in their
Speaker 1: game since you were in the house, do you see
Speaker 1: that difference or that like distinguisher? Did it all seem
Speaker 1: the same to you? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I Mean the interesting thing is too, it's like, why
Speaker 5: did everybody just kind of blindly be like, oh, Jay, Michelle,
Speaker 5: what do we do?
Speaker 3: Like what's our plan? What? Like why did that happen?
Speaker 1: Good question?
Speaker 3: Like what I don't get it.
Speaker 5: I meanah, I get you know, they're both the pretty
Speaker 5: good players and what they do, and they're they're good
Speaker 5: survivor and challenge but it's like, I don't understand how
Speaker 5: they just started this thing and everybody.
Speaker 3: Just followed that.
Speaker 5: That was kind of amazing to see that everything blindly was.
Speaker 1: Like yep, yeah, yeah, it was impressive. I mean, Michelle
Speaker 1: did a lude to the fact of like, uh, the
Speaker 1: friendships you had spoken about, right, and like that she
Speaker 1: spends time with like Olivia and even Berna and all
Speaker 1: these other things. So yeah, it makes sense a little
Speaker 1: bit because they did seem like they were Jingan friendships outside, right,
Speaker 1: and then once she had the numbers, it then becomes okay,
Speaker 1: if you don't do it, this person says they have
Speaker 1: the numbers to shift on you, you know, at least
Speaker 1: in the beginning sort of. J I still don't know why.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was afraid to come on the podcast,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if he had like what the
Speaker 1: establishment of his friendships were. He didn't get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to tell his story. But yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: all very interesting to watch. Is there anything you would
Speaker 1: have done differently politically looking back at the season?
Speaker 3: Now? Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, Now I need to go and start my own alliance.
Speaker 3: I gotta no right now in Alliance. I need the
Speaker 3: lead in Alliance.
Speaker 5: I think from from now on, I want to be
Speaker 5: like the leader of like the rebel Goofy people that
Speaker 5: are also very good at competitions like.
Speaker 1: Okay, who are those people?
Speaker 3: Name?
Speaker 1: Name your team members in the ed Rebel Goofy people Alliance.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I think we definitely could have had a
Speaker 5: solid Alliance season thirty nine if we had banded together,
Speaker 5: say myself, Uh huh, Horasio Manuel, I mean those three.
Speaker 3: I feel like those those.
Speaker 1: Three are neat a bigger alliance and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: win with only three.
Speaker 3: There's three right there, or like very solid?
Speaker 1: Okay, who else? We got to round it out a
Speaker 1: little bit, and you probably need some girls on your alliance.
Speaker 3: And who else? Oh Mariah, she's funny.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Well we're gonna recruit her for the alliance.
Speaker 1: You can choose from other seasons too, By the way,
Speaker 1: doesn't just have to be season thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I can recruit from all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well enough of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you can serve if you want. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we want Okay, let's see put six people on
Speaker 1: your alliance. All right, six people, mix of guys and girls.
Speaker 1: They could be from any season. We can call them
Speaker 1: Ed's goofy people alliance. If that's the name you want
Speaker 1: to keep, stick with it. But who who were the
Speaker 1: six people that she would be?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: So, say you get called for the next season. Maybe
Speaker 1: you have we don't know, we don't talk about, but
Speaker 1: who would be the six people You're like, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have them on my Alliance.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, let's see. Let's see. I need six
Speaker 3: good ones. All right, let's start with.
Speaker 5: I think I want Devin Tory. Okay, I think I
Speaker 5: want them on my alliance. They're they're they're good comedy.
Speaker 5: They're also good competitors.
Speaker 3: They finally got.
Speaker 1: Their first they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll take them. I think I want Harassio.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's smart. That's actually pretty smart.
Speaker 5: I think after this season that was a real eye
Speaker 5: opener where it's like, man, I should have worked with
Speaker 5: that kid from the beginning, but we had a very
Speaker 5: similar mindset.
Speaker 3: Is like they out of the drama compete, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: You guys are similar in that way, like yeah, you're
Speaker 1: like reliable, consistent, kind of straightforward. You guys aren't backstabbers,
Speaker 1: you aren't. Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So boom that's uh what is that? Three? I think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take car on Paulie too.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, both of them, okay, okay, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: get one more and.
Speaker 3: Then who would be I need one more? I need
Speaker 3: a lady.
Speaker 5: Who is the last one in the ad alliance? Oh
Speaker 5: gotta be somebody good.
Speaker 3: But somebody silly.
Speaker 5: We need somebody silly, all right, we can't have too
Speaker 5: many serious people.
Speaker 1: One more girl, who do you think would be an asset?
Speaker 1: She doesn't have to be silly. Who do you think
Speaker 1: would be an asset to your.
Speaker 3: We need an absolute asset. Oh gosh, this is tough.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, let me think, Let me really
Speaker 3: think about this. Gosh, this is tough. I have so
Speaker 3: far Tory and Car, come.
Speaker 1: On in your Tory, Car, I know all these lists
Speaker 1: of people come in.
Speaker 2: All right, and then one more, one more woman.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll take Mariah then too, just because she's cool.
Speaker 1: She's cool, okay, A long time? Interesting enough?
Speaker 2: You picked pears and you left out in the wreath.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's late.
Speaker 3: There's like I need like options to choose from. There's
Speaker 3: too many you.
Speaker 1: Want to win or not? Literally, she's right there. We're
Speaker 1: basically saying she's the champ of this period. Over her.
Speaker 5: Well, in my mind went blank, trying to think of
Speaker 5: every single person that's ever been on the challenge.
Speaker 2: So I know, Devin, Devin. Do we feel away that
Speaker 2: he didn't choose us? Do we feel away?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. That's alliance because I'm really
Speaker 1: good when it comes to strategy and politicking, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, if anything, Ed would want to be on
Speaker 1: my alliance.
Speaker 3: Well, you see, this is all a rough blue stone.
Speaker 1: Back track now, wasn't built today? Backtrack now?
Speaker 2: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 2: we'll be right back after this. Okay, okay, let's get
Speaker 2: back to the show.
Speaker 1: How did you feel seeing Laurel go in on Callum
Speaker 1: at the reunion in defense of Michelle. Were you surprised
Speaker 1: by that? Like, what were you thinking when you saw that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, I guess I was pretty surprised, but also like,
Speaker 5: at the same time, it's like, if you're gonna do
Speaker 5: something like that, it's like, yeah, you're gonna get called
Speaker 5: out on it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I completely understand.
Speaker 5: I think he kind of had it coming there because
Speaker 5: I didn't know we had a girlfriend the whole time.
Speaker 3: I think he did tell some people, but.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that at all, so I found out
Speaker 5: after the fact, like after the whole season was said
Speaker 5: and done. So yeah, I think I think he definitely
Speaker 5: had it coming. But Laurel was just honest. Yeah, she
Speaker 5: wasn't letting up at all.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was.
Speaker 3: La was proud.
Speaker 2: I said, come on, Laurel.
Speaker 1: I was proud Laurel was activated.
Speaker 3: It was it was break.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happens when you wear your grandma's
Speaker 1: curtains to a reunion. Like I may like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong? Am? Am I wrong? You know? Stopping?
Speaker 1: What was I wrong? Go back? Replay the tape, rewrite
Speaker 1: the tape.
Speaker 3: People like to wear goofy things.
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm a pretty uh regular dressing guy,
Speaker 5: but some of these people their style choices.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is that we got on there?
Speaker 1: What if I just thought I love it? Oh? Ed,
Speaker 1: this is so fun. Okay, remember how we play games
Speaker 1: on the aftermath? You have now tired a new one.
Speaker 1: All right, so we're going to ask ed hot or
Speaker 1: not about fashion, like about your get your fashion? Since
Speaker 1: all right, so day do you want to do this?
Speaker 1: First one?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: First one? Big T and Melissa as twins the Magic
Speaker 2: Twins outfit or not?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 5: I feel like it was a bit much. I feel
Speaker 5: like they should have done like, you know, maybe like
Speaker 5: a similar color scheme, but they wore the same shiny
Speaker 5: dress and tr I was like, all right, that's doing
Speaker 5: a bit much.
Speaker 1: Like Okay, yeah, so Ed gives it out, and honestly
Speaker 1: I kind of agree. I feel like it also that
Speaker 1: color did nothing for either of them, so like wash
Speaker 1: them out a little bit. It Like I love the
Speaker 1: coordinating scheme. Thing could have been cool, like if they've
Speaker 1: done vibrant colors and done.
Speaker 3: Yeah like opposite like pot.
Speaker 1: That would have been cute anything like that. Yeah, note
Speaker 1: next time, ladies.
Speaker 3: I appreciate both going for like the Statue of Liberty, like.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's kind of that time. Okay, the
Speaker 1: next one is Emon Well in his Michael Jackson nutcracker jacket.
Speaker 5: What yeah, all right, So that's one thing where like
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have even thought in my mind to wear
Speaker 5: some something like that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So for me, I feel like that's.
Speaker 5: Almost more of like a like a costume than an outfit.
Speaker 3: But it did kind of work.
Speaker 5: I give it a hot Yeah, I feel like especially
Speaker 5: to being like the winner, it's like you got a
Speaker 5: ball out.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, that's pretty.
Speaker 1: It was definitely given a moon walk. And when he
Speaker 1: came out day, what do you think about it?
Speaker 2: Like I felt he stood out when I wear it, No,
Speaker 2: but I would have never worn it.
Speaker 3: But it was definitely something different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it kind of works for him,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you as the winner, Like I
Speaker 1: think he could rock that. Like I feel like it
Speaker 1: worked in that what I want, Like it's my man,
Speaker 1: and I do what I want. Like he was missing
Speaker 1: a white glove and some patent shoes, but like, I
Speaker 1: feel like it kind of it kind of works. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2: What about James and Mariah kind of sort of matching
Speaker 2: a little bit, sort of kind of how do you
Speaker 2: feel about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think they They had a pretty good look going on.
Speaker 5: James had like the relaxed suit look and Mariah had
Speaker 5: it was like a chrome dress. I think I think
Speaker 5: that works.
Speaker 2: Did it give a couple or did he give friendship?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean their relationship was so interesting to me, Like
Speaker 3: they got so serious on the show, and then after
Speaker 3: I feel like they just didn't talk at all, and
Speaker 3: then they showed up to the reunion as if they
Speaker 3: were like still a couple on the show. It was
Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah, in a.
Speaker 1: Little Yeah, their body language was definitely very interesting also, Yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you think about their look?
Speaker 2: I felt like I thought they were trying to give couple.
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like to me. I would have
Speaker 2: thought that they came to a red carporate premiere as
Speaker 2: a couple.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I got I didn't
Speaker 1: get the sense that they were trying to match. But
Speaker 1: I do think they both looked good individually. Like I
Speaker 1: thought that was it was like a valid look. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a whole. I loved Maria's dress actually on her,
Speaker 1: I thought that was great. It was so cute on her, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought about wearing the same thing. Thank god I didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been but you could have next,
Speaker 1: you could have done like the gold version ed and
Speaker 1: I you know, yeah, that would and.
Speaker 2: Then him Emanuel would have matched.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Jay showing up in his
Speaker 1: high school uniform? Yeah, high school?
Speaker 5: Yeah see I.
Speaker 3: Can never button my shirts that high. My neck is
Speaker 3: too wide. But it's definitely like the skater dude.
Speaker 5: Look that that that is j Yeah. I don't think
Speaker 5: I could picture and wearing anything else.
Speaker 1: That's actually fair, you know, comfortable.
Speaker 2: He looked extremely comfortable, Like when this is over, I
Speaker 2: can do anything.
Speaker 5: Anything, Like I'm ready to see a kickflip like boom,
Speaker 5: it's right there.
Speaker 1: You know that guy's got it Like mm hmmm, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's totally fair. Okay, Oh, last one that I
Speaker 1: have to bring up, because what do we think of
Speaker 1: Michelle's siren red dress?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was a that wasn't in your face
Speaker 5: boom red dress, Like that's like she's going to prom.
Speaker 1: Look you know, did you is it hot or not?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think that was a good look. That that that's
Speaker 5: a good reunion look.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think she was beautiful in it. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a nice Papa color too.
Speaker 3: They went together.
Speaker 2: I thought it all went together, her hair and clue yea,
Speaker 2: everything just really went together. She looks really really nice.
Speaker 1: I feel like she really wanted to show it off
Speaker 1: and that that's why she popped off at Colleen and
Speaker 1: stood up, Like I really actually feel like she just
Speaker 1: wanted a moment for the dress, which I don't blame
Speaker 1: her because she looked great in it, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that's why she stood up and went at Colleen.
Speaker 1: And then do you guys think Colleen really didn't know
Speaker 1: what desperate man? And I get there's a language barrier.
Speaker 1: I also get that Colleen's very smart. Do you do
Speaker 1: you guys think that she used that as a cop
Speaker 1: out or do you think she really didn't know?
Speaker 2: Isn't she a psychology major?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she knew, but there's a I mean there's a
Speaker 1: language bear it's English, is in her first language.
Speaker 3: I think she did.
Speaker 2: I think she knew.
Speaker 1: I kind of think she knew too.
Speaker 2: I think she knew.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's definitely because like some of the people from overseas,
Speaker 5: like there'll know certain words and then yeah, you'll say
Speaker 5: something that's like pretty easy to understand at least you think,
Speaker 5: and you're like, what is that? So I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's tough to say, Like, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: know if she was just acting stupid or maybe she
Speaker 5: really didn't know what it meant.
Speaker 3: Maybe like she used the word for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a tough one. It was just interesting
Speaker 1: because she was so quick to have a comment on it,
Speaker 1: and then when Michelle like unleashed the jag and she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't know. Yeah, it was exactly
Speaker 1: And as someone who's been on that stage when I
Speaker 1: the last reunion I did, which was eons ago, but
Speaker 1: you know, I've never had that energy aimed at me,
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine that it's probably pretty uh you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to backpedal a little bit or like can
Speaker 1: be intimidating, especially if it's someone like a Laurel or
Speaker 1: potentially Michelle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think too. It's kind of like, uh, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I think a lot of people do.
Speaker 5: Like it happened a few times where people like stand
Speaker 5: up and like as if they're gonna like get in
Speaker 5: each other's face and like they want to fight it out.
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know they're not gonna fight, Like these.
Speaker 1: People, wait, why are you so? Why are you so
Speaker 1: confident they won't fight?
Speaker 5: Because I feel like it's more of like, uh, I
Speaker 5: don't know, not like an attention grab, but it's like
Speaker 5: if if you're gonna like step up and like actually
Speaker 5: getting somebody's face with the intent to like fight them,
Speaker 5: like you know, first off, you're gonna get like kicked
Speaker 5: off the show, and it's like you don't actually like
Speaker 5: at least I don't think so, Like.
Speaker 1: Have you seen old seasons of the Challenge.
Speaker 3: Oh, the old seasons? Yeah, Like I say, letdy, like let.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, if somebody were to like step up
Speaker 5: at me and get in my face like that, like
Speaker 5: I'll break your jaw so fast, like don't like bite.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm cute, but don't play with me, my goodness,
Speaker 2: and well no, just because I feel like that's like.
Speaker 1: And then he just splashed his muscles. Everyone you can't
Speaker 1: see the videos around you, guys can't see it. But
Speaker 1: my goodness, oh labradors bite, who knew?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But I hear you. No one would ever come at
Speaker 1: you Ed though. Literally I can't under I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 1: I will fall out of my chair whenever if we're
Speaker 1: ever watching an episode where someone's legitimate mad at Ed
Speaker 1: to the point of like coming at you. I just
Speaker 1: really it's hard. It's just hard to fathom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why I think like people need to
Speaker 5: take it as like more of a serious thing, like
Speaker 5: everybody loved a get each other's face, as if they're
Speaker 5: gonna like do something.
Speaker 3: But it's like, sit down, sit down, sit down.
Speaker 1: What did you think about Kylon calling out asof when
Speaker 1: I believe it was that Asof said to Kylin burst
Speaker 1: that like or sett in general, he thought people were
Speaker 1: little b words. And then Kylon said, you thought I
Speaker 1: talked about your mama and didn't say it and didn't
Speaker 1: even do anything, So who's the little He called him.
Speaker 2: A bet directly, Yeah, directly.
Speaker 5: Well that whole thing, well what had happened on the show,
Speaker 5: And like I guess ASoft just didn't understand what Kylon said.
Speaker 5: And then they started arguing, and they're both arguing different things.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is going Like I was kind of
Speaker 3: laughing at that.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is not serious, Like these guys
Speaker 5: are just being idiots. But I feel like that's another
Speaker 5: instance of them just kind of like want to start
Speaker 5: ship for the sake of like starting ship. It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel like there's no need to
Speaker 5: like get angry and then and call each other like bitches.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know, be a grown man about it.
Speaker 5: Like you sit there and hash it out and be like, oh, look,
Speaker 5: this happened, all right whatever put in the past. It's cool,
Speaker 5: or fight about it right now. Somebody knock each other
Speaker 5: out and then say you're sorry, Like yeah, but the
Speaker 5: yelling back and forth and like I'm still mad at
Speaker 5: you for saying this.
Speaker 3: I'm still mad at you for saying it's like childish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah for sure, speaking of knocking things out.
Speaker 1: We when we spoke to the champ a ka Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson Nutcracker last week, we he talked about his like
Speaker 1: training routine right because he makes this final look so
Speaker 1: he made it look so easy because he was just
Speaker 1: dominated and did so well. And then we talked about
Speaker 1: training routines kind of other people throughout the challenge. As
Speaker 1: one of the most you guys, he literally looks like
Speaker 1: he's making the flexing symbol as he's sitting here talking
Speaker 1: to us. By the way, I know you can't he's
Speaker 1: not doing over our ris, but he literally has his
Speaker 1: arm like up on the desk and it's making like
Speaker 1: just it's like muscle, my muscle, my muscle, like on muscles. So,
Speaker 1: as one of the fittest guys of the show, what
Speaker 1: was your we got to ask, like, what's your training routine?
Speaker 1: Did you train harder for the challenge or like are
Speaker 1: there certain moves and things you do to prepare?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did a lot more running and body weight
Speaker 5: exercises to get ready.
Speaker 3: Normally I just do a lot of heavy weightlifting. Okay,
Speaker 3: So as far as like strength.
Speaker 5: I definitely think well above him, beyond where I need
Speaker 5: to be. I don't think I need to be you know,
Speaker 5: bench pressing four hundred pounds like on the challenge, Like
Speaker 5: you don't you know, there's never an.
Speaker 3: Instance where you're doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was.
Speaker 5: Like, I definitely need to work on just like like
Speaker 5: body weight, like hanging on something, hold my body. Stuff
Speaker 5: like I would do one day a week where I
Speaker 5: would do sprints, one day a week where I would
Speaker 5: go for a nice long.
Speaker 3: Distance run, and the days in between I would lift.
Speaker 5: I would work on, like I said, other body weight,
Speaker 5: calisthetic type of exercises.
Speaker 1: To do swimming stuff or like puzzle stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not actually much.
Speaker 5: I don't know why, but for some reason, I'm a
Speaker 5: pretty good swimmer, Like, yeah, I feel like swimming something
Speaker 5: where a lot of people will train for. But I
Speaker 5: guess just growing up at the Jersey shore swimming in
Speaker 5: the ocean. Uh, you know, that's where my aquaman kind
Speaker 5: of comes from.
Speaker 3: So I didn't really like train much swimming puzzles too.
Speaker 5: I use my mind every day, like yeah at work,
Speaker 5: so like I'm still like sharp, I can think quick.
Speaker 5: I do a lot of numbers like in my job,
Speaker 5: so I feel like puzzles like I don't really need.
Speaker 5: I did a couple like of those, like Tanagram, like
Speaker 5: I got one just to like be like, all right,
Speaker 5: it's just so I can keep my mind on your
Speaker 5: puzzles that I don't usually do. I feel like my
Speaker 5: mind's pretty sharp, like a very think quicker, quick thinker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just gonna let that one slide.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna let it slide. And you are the That.
Speaker 2: Was the perfect time for that.
Speaker 1: It was you were fun. Uh. We can't wait to
Speaker 1: see you on future seasons. For anyone who wants to
Speaker 1: keep up with what you're doing, follow along with your
Speaker 1: wedding planning, ask you workout tips or test your tangram knowledge.
Speaker 1: Where can they follow you on social Oh, I'm.
Speaker 3: Very active on Instagram.
Speaker 5: You can check me out at Edge six one oher
Speaker 5: underscore Snapchat as well.
Speaker 3: That's when I use a lot snapper. Interesting big snap guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can follow me at sexy Dash.
Speaker 1: Ed.
Speaker 3: I think that was.
Speaker 1: I cannot with you. I can not with you, Ed,
Speaker 1: you kill me.
Speaker 5: I think I made that when I was like thirteen,
Speaker 5: and I just let it stick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, that's it forever. You're not your
Speaker 3: YouTube ED six to one.
Speaker 5: Oh, I haven't posted lately, it's been a few weeks,
Speaker 5: but I do have a lot of YouTube videos out
Speaker 5: there on like health and weightlifting and fitness supplements and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Oh cool.
Speaker 3: I would say those are the big three. Okay, I
Speaker 3: go on tweeter sometimes, I'm not a tweet Twitter guy.
Speaker 3: Come on tweeter, go on tweeter.
Speaker 1: I get sexy sexy. Yeah. Oh, and Ed the Labradoodle
Speaker 1: Ed the leader of the Ed's goofball alone and a
Speaker 1: fan favorite. Thank you so much for coming to hang
Speaker 1: with us. You did do an incredible season. We hated
Speaker 1: to see you go, but we know that you will
Speaker 1: most certainly be back and we'll always be excited to
Speaker 1: watch you play and have you on the podcast too.
Speaker 5: So I appreciate you guys having me on. It's been
Speaker 5: an absolute pleasure. And you guys are a trip. I'll
Speaker 5: tell you what. You're very fun to do podcasts with.
Speaker 5: So anytime you want to do another one, you let
Speaker 5: me know. You give me a call, I'll be.
Speaker 1: Done and done, and I'm definitely going to do that.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I steal the sexy. I think cracks me.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that from Ed six to one. Oh,
Speaker 1: just hilarious to me. All right, done and done. You
Speaker 1: were always welcome here on the official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Ed, Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Uh, Sexy ed Man, that was such a good inner.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: We love having him on the podcast. He's always so
Speaker 1: much fun. Glad he could come hang with us for
Speaker 1: a little bit. For people who want to hang with
Speaker 1: you day, I mean, I know you don't have like
Speaker 1: fitness stuff on your YouTube channel, but you do have
Speaker 1: content on there now, which I'm proud of you. But
Speaker 1: where can they fink you on social.
Speaker 2: Because the people have been comment and like, I hope
Speaker 2: Devin is seeing all of it. You can find me
Speaker 2: in the YouTube streets at davon Diane and on all
Speaker 2: platforms at davon Diane. Yes, Devin, where can the people
Speaker 2: find you?
Speaker 1: Before you know it'll be sexy Davon somewhere else. You
Speaker 1: can find me on my website. You can go to
Speaker 1: devinsmone dot com. That's Devin with a y simone with
Speaker 1: Ani dot com and then you can tow it on
Speaker 1: to the bottom and see my social handles or you
Speaker 1: can just go to Instagram. That's Devin Simone, Twitter as well,
Speaker 1: Devin Simone and uh TikTok, but I don't. Only I
Speaker 1: posted on there recently, so I'm proud of myself for that.
Speaker 1: Right now, I know, baby steps, baby steps. And after
Speaker 1: you do all of that, then make sure that you
Speaker 1: keep being our friends and keep being our podcast listeners.
Speaker 1: And we just want to thank you for joining us
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Speaker 2: Yes. And you can always catch new episodes of The
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Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time for part two of
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