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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers, four various movies that we

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Speaker 1: watched over break, and season one of Heated Rivalry.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jason Excepcion and I'm Rosie Night and

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Speaker 3: welcome back to Extra.

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Speaker 1: Vision of the podcast Wed divey It to your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: coggs of pop culture, comedy from my Heart, where we're

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Speaker 1: bringing you three episodes a week, plus news on Saturday Today.

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Speaker 4: Wow, this is an episode, guys.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're starting off super producer Joel saw

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Speaker 3: the six minute preview of the Odyssey and she is

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Speaker 3: here to tell us does it have the juice?

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Speaker 4: There's been a lot of conversation about it online. We

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Speaker 3: Also, we're gonna be talking about movies we saw over

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Speaker 3: the break. We've got a spicy f one hot take

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Speaker 3: from Jason. I'll be filling you in about the Creek's

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Speaker 3: Choice Awards. And finally, we'll be talking about the Winter

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Speaker 3: TV monoculture moment he did Rivalry the gay hockey guys

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Speaker 4: Guys, can we do it? I'm proud of us.

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Speaker 3: But first we're gonna talk about Christopher Nolan's upcoming epic

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Speaker 3: the Odyssey.

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Speaker 1: First up, the six minute we're rounding up. Six minute

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Speaker 1: preview of the Odyssey has dropped both in theaters and

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Speaker 1: on the internet. Christopher Nolan's upcoming you Know epic action

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Speaker 1: film adapted from the classic ancient epic poem which we

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Speaker 1: actually don't know who wrote it, and it's probably multiple

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: Here we are to give our opinions on this trailer,

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Speaker 1: which has garnered a lot of really really crazy pigga's online.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, Joelle, you saw it in theaters.

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Speaker 5: So this trailer plays before Firetier, Avatar and Ash, which

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Speaker 5: I've been on record as saying was the longest experience

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Speaker 5: it's forever long. This five six minute trailer felt like

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Speaker 2: In the exact opposite direction where I was like breathless,

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Speaker 5: I don't understand it, like the tension of the scene

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Speaker 2: I was still on the edge of my seat.

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Speaker 5: Like Nolan is the king of timing, like how he

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Speaker 5: And the build up to the siege and getting that

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Speaker 5: I was already amped to see this movie. After watching

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Speaker 5: I want to see this movie. It's I will get

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Speaker 2: I don't care what happens. I must see the film

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Speaker 1: It's so good, already probably universal. I love that Nolan

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Speaker 1: now what I felt the same way I thought the tension,

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Speaker 1: Trojans know that, you know we're in here. Fantastic. I,

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Speaker 1: legs me, what Helbert is that? That's not the helmets?

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Speaker 3: Or if you if you google Odyssey trailer, the first

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Speaker 3: And then you have what Nolan's honestly gets wrong about

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Speaker 4: As literally one of the one of the funniest tweets.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Joelle is had no idea ancient Greeks used batman

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Speaker 3: Helbert and it's like, this is from great reporting by

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Speaker 3: Nobody looked like Tom Holland, nobody had all that teeth.

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Speaker 3: Don't want it to be realistic. That's not the version

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Speaker 5: I am a person who follows many a costume designer,

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Speaker 4: Like, that's ed WARDI and what are we doing?

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Speaker 5: But but I will also say there's something to be

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Speaker 2: Don't care about no time period. That's not the point

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Speaker 5: I don't think Nolan's point almost is never like to

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Speaker 2: Where can I hang it up?

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Speaker 3: And also I saw a really good tweet that somebody

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Speaker 4: But this is a big.

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Speaker 5: Hey, ancient Greeks didn't sound like old New Yorkers. John

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Speaker 2: Okay, it does not matter.

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Speaker 4: You can go different routes.

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Speaker 5: It's called Mister Malcolm's List. It is a victorious romance Rosie.

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Speaker 5: more romance.

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Speaker 2: Movies so I could just stare at his fai. Oh

441
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: my god, he's beautiful.

442
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: Pst.

443
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: Card On.

444
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 3: This cast is pretty unbelievable based on a very cute book,

445
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: and the movie came out just at the end of

446
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Speaker 3: the post Bridgeton Curve.

447
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 4: But I think is one of the most successful.

448
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: There's Mister Malcolm's List and David Copperfield by Armando Ian

449
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: who made Veep.

450
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: Those are two of the most.

451
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Speaker 3: Thoughtfully kind of like inclusive period pieces that I've ever

452
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: seen that are also just so whimsical and wonderful.

453
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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you found that one, Joelle.

454
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Speaker 3: It's great you also caught up on some movies that

455
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: you hadn't seen from this yet.

456
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Speaker 5: Right caught upon Wake Up dead Man, the third installment

457
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 5: in the Knives Out trilogy. I famously wasn't a big

458
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 5: fan of glass Onion. I loved Wake Up dead Man.

459
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 5: I was raised Catholic in a very SMA, and if

460
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: you are a former Catholic, I think it's a really

461
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 5: incredible watch because, like, I still do I still like candles,

462
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 5: sure do I love me some incense? Am I occasionally

463
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 5: praying to a god I don't believe in?

464
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

465
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 5: Wake Up dead Man has all of these things, and

466
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: I'll you learn so much about our main detective and

467
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 5: like what his life will.

468
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: Get, his relationship to religion. I just found the.

469
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 5: Whole thing super funny, thoughtful, grounded. This is my second

470
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 5: favorite of the nives On movies. I still think the

471
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 5: first one is just so impactful. The twists hit at

472
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 5: such a high level.

473
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: It was also so timely imperfect, like this idea of

474
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: like white liberalism and kind of also like the intricacies

475
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: of whiteness anyway, because Ana Damus is essentially white.

476
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 4: But it's to do with like a cloth thing. Like

477
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: It's very interesting that first movie, for sure.

478
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you also saw a controversial movie and had the

479
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 3: same take as me and Jason, which was that we

480
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: loved it and we were early callers on Lovington.

481
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Eddington was sensational.

482
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 5: The way people feel about one battle after another, it's

483
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Speaker 5: how I feel about Eddington.

484
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Speaker 2: I was like, this is the political movie of the year.

485
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Speaker 1: This is I think it may be a masterpiece. I

486
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: think in the future, when like exactly in fifteen years,

487
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: when the criterion is like the twenties, the chaotic twenty twenties,

488
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Eddington and One Battle after Another as

489
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: like a pair, because I think we're gonna think about

490
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: those two movies as a pair.

491
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Speaker 3: Well, I think so too, because something I think is

492
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: really interesting just quickly is Eddington becomes more relevant the

493
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: closer you watch it, And Joelle, for you, watching it

494
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: in December was a different experience than us watching it

495
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: in June, even because of the data centers in the AI,

496
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: Whereas I feel like I watched one Battle after another

497
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: a couple of times over the holidays, and while there's

498
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 3: stuff that I really love about it, actually more I'm

499
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: watching controversially. I actually think I think tay Owner is

500
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: unbelievable in that movie, no matter how they fetishized her.

501
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: I think her performance is unbelievable.

502
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 3: But One Battle after Another I watched it in comparison

503
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: to Eddington and Wild Visually, I think it is a

504
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: better classic movie.

505
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: Politically.

506
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: I was watching Eddington again and I was like, oh shit,

507
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: this is more relevant now.

508
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: So Jason, I think you're right. The further we go in,

509
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: that's gonna feel realer and realer and real or another.

510
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 4: I think too, But but Eddington more so.

511
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: I think One Battle after Another will think of as

512
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: the platform that launched Tiana into a larger stratosphere. I

513
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 5: think a lot of like musicians and like, you know,

514
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 5: she was a black celebrity before, but now I think

515
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 5: she's a household name.

516
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: Uh.

517
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 5: And I also think one Bait after the car chase

518
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 5: scene will probably go down in history as one of

519
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 5: the greats. To me, it's still one of my favorite

520
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: things I saw last year, and I think it's an

521
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 5: interesting space for Leo Talanton. It's a role he doesn't

522
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 5: typically play, this slacker kind of burns now. All of

523
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 5: that's really interesting. Yeah, But to me, Eddington. The true

524
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 5: artistry of Eddington is that you could show that movie

525
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 5: to a stronghold MAGA supporter and get into a deep

526
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 5: conversation afterwards, right because there is a point in that

527
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 5: movie where you're like, oh, is this like a pro

528
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: MAGA movie? Like what's happening? And then the further the

529
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: more that it unveils, you're like, oh, I see what's

530
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 5: happening here. It's so tricky and layered. I love like

531
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 5: all of the characters feel not just authentic, but so

532
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 5: like m hmm, no one, there's no like good people here.

533
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: It's it's just I actually felt I well, I want

534
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: to say quickly, I feel like the film actually takes

535
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: a pretty definitive stance.

536
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: Like it does.

537
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: It is a cop who is gonna shoot a kid

538
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: and just kill him, Like it's a who's.

539
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: Going to that.

540
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: There aren't people that are worse.

541
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Speaker 5: But my point is, like even your Mayor character, who's

542
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 5: uh oh yeah, he's like not, he's he's fine.

543
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to condemn him.

544
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: He doesn't need to be arrested, but he's not like

545
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 5: a good person.

546
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a lot of.

547
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: Making the moves that needs to be done.

548
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 5: He's just trying to keep going along. He's like the

549
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 5: governor says, they need this, so this is just what

550
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: we're gonna do. Even the kids are kind of all

551
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 5: assholes and weird. That to me is the best part.

552
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: As much as like all of this like top stuff

553
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: with the adults was good, it's the kids and they're

554
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 5: like confusion and like irritation and frustration, and they're trying

555
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 5: to understand like what it means to be white in America,

556
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: and they come out so much more confused than they

557
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 5: were going in.

558
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: It's like, it's fabulous. It's so good.

559
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I specifically like that part of it because I

560
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: do think as a person who holds progressive views, I

561
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: do think that there is it's it's difficult for folks

562
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: who are in that headspace and that political emotional space

563
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: to like, at times see how ridiculous are side air

564
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: quotes does really appear in their confusion and there grappling

565
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: with whatever whiteness and whatever privilege that they may have

566
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: in the context of wider oppression. And I think the

567
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: way that the movie basically says, Okay, the left is

568
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: really fucking annoying. They kind of don't know, they understand

569
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: that something's wrong. They grapple with their own complicity in

570
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: it or how to even ameliorate the circumstances. And yes,

571
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: their slogany and super super super annoying, but the other

572
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: side literally wants to shoot you.

573
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

574
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: That's why I think the final I do think that

575
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: in the end I was accepting of the movie because

576
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: while I do think the beginning was almost dangerously seeming

577
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: as if that it was both sides, I think ultimately

578
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: it says, yeah, you can be annoyed, and you can

579
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: be imperfect, and you can argue within each other, but

580
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: watch out because no matter how well intentioned you are,

581
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: if you are the Joaquin Phoenix character, that is the

582
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: level you will go to to complete your narrative is like.

583
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: You will kill people.

584
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: The other side is trying to stop you doing that,

585
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: and I thought that was very interesting.

586
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: I also just think the data sent of.

587
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: Stuff to me is the reason that the movie is timeless.

588
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: That's me is what really keeps saying.

589
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Joelle, do you have a theory on who the ANTIFA

590
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: gunman are? As that very open ended? I think Rosie

591
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: and I basically both independently landed on the theory that

592
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: these are like billionaire bought, billionaire funded crisis actors, false

593
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: flag professional false flag people.

594
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're definitely false flag people because I had

595
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 5: to roll back in the there's one shot where they're

596
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: if you haven't seen the movie, at one point they

597
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 5: cut to the sky. There's a plane coming into town.

598
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 5: That's mac Anyone. Yes, it's a private jet. And when

599
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 5: you go through and you look at the signs, they're

600
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 5: signs for both sides, so you know they're definitely agitators.

601
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: My thought is, who else don't we see in this movie?

602
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: The governor? I think it's the government. I think the

603
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: government has.

604
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: Noticed there's something you're going on here. The mayor is dead,

605
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 5: we no longer have our control group in here. And

606
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 5: then it makes sense because the results of that is

607
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: they get exactly what they want.

608
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: At the end, you send in the riot as you

609
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: get your insurrection act again.

610
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: InCred me.

611
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: It's a very I think it's I loved one battle

612
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: love to another, and I watched I did watch it

613
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: again too, and it and there's other parts that have

614
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: grown on me as well that I you know, and

615
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I like the entire movie. I think Eddington is going

616
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: to be the one that people say is a masterpiece.

617
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: I agree coming.

618
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: That's going to be the one that people are like,

619
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: that's the best movie of the twenty twenties. Okay, F one,

620
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: here's my F one. Ready, I watched F one.

621
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait, can I I need we need to

622
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: tap in at least one man to be shocked about this,

623
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: because honestly.

624
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: I want you I'm delusion.

625
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: I feel free to feel free to hit the hit

626
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: the mic and listen. I'm I'm happy for everyone here

627
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: to agree with me, because I I want to be

628
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: clear about one thing before I give this take. I

629
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: think it's a perfectly engineered rage bait take because logically

630
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Even though I understand rationally that I

631
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: must be wrong somewhere, but I feel like I'm right.

632
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: So here's my take. I'm watching F one. I learned

633
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: a lot about F one. I didn't know anything about it.

634
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: The points system, that it's all about the tires, how

635
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: the pit crews work, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,

636
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: cars go really fast. We know that. I watch this

637
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, of every major sport, there

638
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: is the big ones that they play in stadiums. If

639
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I if you gave me a day and then said,

640
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: at the end of this day, you have to go

641
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: out and play. I'm I'm it's it's so unsuccessful and

642
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: maybe deadly for me. For like all of them. Soccer,

643
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna learn how to dribble enough to be

644
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: on the pitch. Basketball same, I can't shoot. I can't dribble.

645
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm too short. NFL football, they'll kill me. I will

646
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: die after this, die right, and and and second early Nascar.

647
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: I drive every day.

648
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: I've been driving.

649
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I've been driving for thirty plus years. I drive every

650
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: single day. And while yes, there's a lot of buttons

651
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: on the steering wheel and the cars go really fast,

652
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: I would I would have a basic idea of what

653
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Yes, this this way goes that. This is

654
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: the front of the fucking car. I press this, it

655
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: goes fast. I press this, it goes through. I turn this,

656
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: it goes right, it goes left. And And to teach

657
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: me that, like you did, I use the able to win.

658
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: You just think you could do.

659
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm not talking about the winning. I'm not even

660
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: talking about like coming. I'm talking about coming asked by

661
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: three four minutes, okay, and probably never getting over fifty

662
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: sixty miles an hour, but I could finish a lab.

663
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: I could finish a lab.

664
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Speaker 1: But I think theoretically, like if I just stay in

665
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: the right lane, let everybody go buy me. I think

666
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: you can theoretically finish a race and that and in

667
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: any other sport that's not happened. I'm not linking contacting

668
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: baseball a single jumper in an NBA game. I drive

669
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: every day. Do you do anybody else? Do you play

670
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: basketball every day for hours?

671
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: Exactly?

672
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Do you play soccer?

673
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 3: No?

674
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: Not unless you're a professional. I drive every.

675
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 4: Day in LA two, which is its own skill level.

676
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this, Jason, because I did

677
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: think about this deeply because you were cracking me up

678
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: so much, and I lived in Long Beach where there

679
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: is a Grand Prix every year and it's fucking loud

680
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: and those.

681
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Costumes really fall.

682
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: So do you think I love this idea?

683
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: If you've watched F one, or you've watched any of

684
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: the Netflix F one shows, you know they can like

685
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: communicate the idea that everyone is in Jason's head.

686
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: Friends like, what the fuck are you doing? Drive? And

687
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: He's like, don't worry, I just got pastes. They pass.

688
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: First of all, my pa my pick team would know

689
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the deal, right, I just make a way.

690
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: Now, Hey, what do you like.

691
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: To make a wish? Kid? You get so much fun

692
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: when I'm drive.

693
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: When I drive, as I do every single day, I

694
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: don't have anybody in my ear helping me make decisions

695
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: out I want a bullet, a boon and aeron. We're like,

696
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: you fucking go into the fucking wall. You be dead.

697
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta tell you again. I drive every

698
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: day and I have for years. I've never hit a wall.

699
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 5: Like pedals and twenty tabs on the pig.

700
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: Deal.

701
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Let me guess what the Let me guess what the

702
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: pedals are right. One is accelerator. Okay, I bet I

703
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: got that right. Another one is break Okay, I bet

704
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: I got that right. I bet Another one is like clutch.

705
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: Oh, I bet I got that right.

706
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: It's like, this is not hard, guys.

707
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: The delusion is really but I really like love it.

708
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: I really want you guys to get that.

709
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: This is maybe we gotta do the energy into well

710
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: buttons on the into do we gotta take this.

711
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 4: Delusional energy into twenty twenty six of us? Guys? This

712
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: is the only way.

713
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: To lift Jason, tell me what kind of buttons you

714
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: think are on the wheel of an F one.

715
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's probably like something to do with

716
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: the gas. It's probably like gear shifting gears. It's probably

717
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: something to do with the height of the car on

718
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: this and the tight and the and the effectiveness of

719
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: the suspension. Listen, Aaron put a picture of the wheel,

720
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: like into the group chair. It's like, look at all

721
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: the button on the wheel. First of all, my car

722
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: looks like a game in control. There's probably my car

723
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: probably has twenty percent of the number amount of buttons.

724
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's not like I'm some fucking

725
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: caveman from the fifties.

726
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 4: Who's like, what the fuck buttons on?

727
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: Like I've seen buttons on a wheel and if someone

728
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: sits with me for an hour, two hours, like here's

729
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: what this one?

730
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: I got it?

731
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: And again I've got them in my ear, Like, hey,

732
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: when do I push the button? It's not I don't

733
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: have to the button.

734
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: There are dials on the button.

735
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: I'm looking at this like I've never turned a dial?

736
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: What am I? What am I fucking this?

737
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: What am I an off to pushing a lab? I

738
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: need to learn how to use a button and a lever.

739
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: I know how to use those.

740
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: You know how different setting how guys, guys, no, no,

741
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: no, no no. In twenty fourteen, at the star of the

742
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: Turbo Hybrid Era and LCD screen was added to the

743
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: center of the wheel.

744
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: So I feel like, again that's in Jason's favor.

745
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: Your car already has to do I screen.

746
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: Or do you have? Yes, you can leave it.

747
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: And again, I don't need to learn the core of it.

748
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: I'm the driving.

749
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: I've been doing that like all the other sports. I

750
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: don't even have what's the basic thing that I would

751
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: have to have to be able to Like, you're good if.

752
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: You can walk up and down, that's like I'm driving.

753
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: It's high and by the way, it's high stakes.

754
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: When I'm driving every day.

755
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: There's accidents in Avenue, people die, age every fucking day

756
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: and everything hill. I really feel like I'm not saying again,

757
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'd be successful. I'm saying the gap

758
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: between complete beginner and being able to approximate something within

759
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: the sport is a lot smaller with one. If you,

760
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: like me, have been driving every day for years.

761
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: I gotta say, look, that is literally a movie called

762
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: Grant Tarismo. The beature film about a boy who was

763
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: good at choosing video games.

764
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: I was able to trade to be a card driver

765
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 4: game I do driving experience. He complay. Okay, guys, thank you.

766
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: We gotta know which F one team is gonna let

767
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: like Jason drive one.

768
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: Laugh in that car. Come on Proven, I'm gonna go Proven.

769
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: If I get in the car, I'm gonna go like

770
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: fifty sixty miles our tops like.

771
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: Tops is how fast? Is how it's gonna say. That's

772
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: also slow for l a babe.

773
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: A feel for the tires and the steering. But again

774
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: I understand to get the car moving in to do

775
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: the tires in the steering, like I know how to

776
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: drive the car.

777
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: You could use the support call us up a couple ups.

778
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: Well, well, guys, I will tell you something, yes about

779
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: F one.

780
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: It was nominated at the Critics' Choice Award for Best Song.

781
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: It did not win.

782
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: Everyone was laughing because it's like it's like it's basically

783
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: just apologies.

784
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: One of the famous guy I don't know. This was

785
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: a male sung song that was.

786
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 6: Like driving, driving, in the middle of driving, like we

787
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 6: were all looking at each other like this is definitely

788
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 6: not gonna beat Golden from K Pop Demon Hunters and

789
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 6: it didn't Golden from K Pop deman Hunters one.

790
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 3: But it was an interesting night to tee us off

791
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: for awards shows. I'm not feeling great about the season

792
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: because while the Critics' Choice awards may not be seen

793
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: as the most prestigious, it is the first and it

794
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: does often set off the campaigns for the rest of

795
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: the year. Big winners Sinners for Original Screenplay, we saw

796
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: that coming, but they did not give it out on

797
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: the red They did not give out on the stage.

798
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: They did not, like Ryan Coogler, do a speech. Instead,

799
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: they gave it at the last minute on the red carpet.

800
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: Very controversial happened with multiple movies, including Best Foreign Director.

801
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: They were not told this in advance, they were interviewed

802
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: and then just randomly handed the awards. It was very controversy.

803
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: We didn't know it was happening. We didn't know it

804
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: was happening. But the big story, and this was what

805
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: I was teasing from earlier. I actually think the biggest

806
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: story here, one battle after another one Best Picture. We

807
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: saw that coming. It's called racism. I know some people

808
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: think it was better than sinners. I don't think there's

809
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: a world, but we saw this was coming. The movie's great.

810
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: I hope that some of the incredible black women in

811
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: the movie get recognized. Definitely Chase in Vinity, she needs

812
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: to get recognized. The biggest story was actually that Timothy

813
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: shallow May won Best Actor Old Okay, Timothy Shallamy won

814
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: Best Actor for Marty Supreme. There was a lot of excitement.

815
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: People were very stoked because they felt like, surely this

816
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: young man who has been doing this incredible job, as

817
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: Jason said.

818
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: Selling it. He's been telling the story, he's been being great.

819
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 4: He's been making us believe. Even women I.

820
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: Know who don't love the movie appreciate the impact of

821
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: the campaign. Alas when he won, he got on stage,

822
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: he was they're in a dead suit. He had a

823
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: bad haircut, and he gave a dead speech and at

824
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: the end of the speech he was like, houuro, I

825
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: just really want to think like my number one girl,

826
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: like my my focus McCurley journal, like my foundation or whatever.

827
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 3: And the problem was, I think, and this is actually,

828
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: in my eyes idea endearing, but I don't necessarily know

829
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: that it will go the distance to the Oscars. It

830
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: was endearing because he got on stage, completely freaked out,

831
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: stutted and was just like shit, this, I'm way more nervous.

832
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: And I thought that was endearing, but it did not

833
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: have the Demi Moore winning for the substance kind of

834
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: speech story that then takes you to the Oscars. That's

835
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: the thing they look for stagecraft and emotion and who's

836
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: gonna give a big story.

837
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: Timmy has been giving that.

838
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: He did not give that on the stage, and I

839
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: don't think the Oscars would want him on stage doing

840
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: a similar kind of like, oh shit, I finally won.

841
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. Yeah, that was very early.

842
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I say it comes at the ends of those

843
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 5: time for if you don't if you don't follow the

844
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: award circus actors do perfect their speech over the course

845
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 5: of many wins. Definitely eighty six different hours. It does

846
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 5: help and I will see this. Typically we do not

847
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 5: award young male actors outside of a youth category like

848
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 5: male actors. I think there's like one who's won under

849
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 5: the age of thirty for Best Lead Actor at the

850
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: OSCAR exactly. So like we love a young woman, we

851
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: love the starlett, We'll give her all of the awards.

852
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: Men supporting you could Best Supporting as a young one.

853
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a.

854
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: Big deal, and I feel like in the moment he

855
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting it. I also feel like it was an

856
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: odd moment in the room because the first award that

857
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: had been given out was for Best Young Actor for

858
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: Miles Caton from Sinners. I now see because I think

859
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: they didn't think he was gonna get supporting, so they

860
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: obviously put him in that category even though he was

861
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: a lot older than most of the other people in

862
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: there who were in their teens. He won, So the

863
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: momentum felt really good, and then it was slowly kind

864
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: of falling off, and I think by the end when

865
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: he won over Michael B. Jordan, there was a lot

866
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: of like confusion in the room, conversation in the room.

867
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: It's interesting because while I loved Leo's performance in one

868
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: Battle after another famous, you know, twenty five year old

869
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: is his oldest dating age.

870
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio like, we have problems.

871
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: With him, but he's fucking amazing and favorite role. Oh,

872
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: I think she's twenty five. I think she's not twenty six.

873
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Well, I think she's just right.

874
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, this is gril.

875
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Okay, this is huge.

876
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: But but but I think that for me, compared to

877
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: say a Revenant or something or even Departed, which everyone knows,

878
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: I'm more of an infernal Affairs girl. I don't really

879
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: rate the Remakers much like those are roles where I'm like, yeah,

880
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: I get why men love him this role. In one

881
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 3: battle after another, I was like, wow, I love him.

882
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: I like what My review for the last time I

883
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: watched it was like, what if your dad cared about you?

884
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 3: This is basically a fanfic of that, Like, it's really nice,

885
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: but I never consider him to be really in the

886
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: running for leading man, and it seems like the award

887
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: shows are also not seeing him. It does seem like

888
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: right now it's a Marty Supreme Sinners situation. I'm interested

889
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: to see how that conversation changes as the Award season

890
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: goes on, because there's been some very good online journalism

891
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: TikTok journalism, community journalism essentially about the ownership of the

892
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: trades and looking at who owns the trades, who is in,

893
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: who is friends with the guy from Shark Tank, who's

894
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: in Marty Supreme, and who is in charge of controlling

895
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 3: the narrative around it. So I'll be interested to see

896
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: if Sinners becomes a bit of an unexpected underdog and

897
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: kind of manages to rise back up because of that story.

898
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, generally did not give me a lot of hope,

899
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: but was a lot of fun. My great friend Amelia

900
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: Embowing is on the Critics' Choice team. She's part of

901
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: the alliance that you know votes on these awards. She

902
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: was definitely hoping for a Sinners sweep. But it was

903
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 3: fun to go. I got to dress up my friendly

904
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: and I did my make up. We had a great time.

905
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 4: I saw many people.

906
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: I was called so cool by a famous young male actor.

907
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 4: That was very nice of him. Thank you to that man.

908
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: There was many good fun interactions and it was generally

909
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: great to see the K Pop Demon Hunters girls getting on.

910
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: Their way to that big, big Oscar evening.

911
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: Though, as we will be talking about in our news episode,

912
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 3: there's some crazy stuff going on there. But yeah, it's

913
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: gonna be a messy award season as it has been already,

914
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: and I'm interested to see if Shalla Ma can come

915
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: back and give a great speech that will put him

916
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: back in that space, because already Ryan Coogler's director's speech

917
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: from one of the smaller Award shows has gone viral

918
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: in a way that Timmy's never did.

919
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: He was talking about his wife. He was talking about

920
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: how they.

921
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: Were childhood sweetheart and how she had supported him. There's

922
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: you've got to have the story of the speech, and

923
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: I think so far Sinners is a little bit higher

924
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: on there. I also think it should be the movie

925
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: at the four front, but I'm interested to see where

926
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: it goes. I think the Gothams, I think the Spirit

927
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: Awards are gonna favor as Sinners oversay, even though those

928
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: is not necessarily an independent movie.

929
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: Maybe over my Supreme. I don't know. It's going to

930
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: be interesting.

931
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: We recorded this before the Globes, so we'll come back

932
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 5: with news yes week.

933
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 4: Today.

934
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: This is leading into the Globes, so let's see if

935
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: the Globes follows up on that. I just saw some

936
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: of the seating charts for the Globes. I definitely think

937
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: they're trying to have drama, putting some people next to

938
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: each other that they want some interesting beefs with or something.

939
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: I mean, the Golden Globes is a mess, so let's

940
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: see where they stand. They're usually not great when it

941
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: comes to not just picking white people, so I think

942
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: we could assume the Marti Supreme sweep may continue.

943
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 4: But but, but, but there.

944
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: Is an international component to the Golden Globes. It is

945
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: the voting of the international press. And allegedly they have

946
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: widened it a lot more past the scandals of the

947
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: last the five years. But it used to be five

948
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: dudes from like England. But now hopefully they've you know,

949
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: they've opened it up a bit, so maybe we'll see

950
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: something different. But yeah, I'm excited, guys. It's going to

951
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: be a crazy award season. And next we're going to

952
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 3: talk about show that, by the way, has zero contention

953
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: in any Emmys or award shows in America because it

954
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: was only produced in Canada.

955
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: And we're back to talk about really the thing I

956
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: think that the show of the break the show of

957
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: the holiday period, which is heated rivalry produced by Crave

958
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: in Canada, licensed to HBO and Max and a huge

959
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: word of mouth hit on HBO Max. What a It's

960
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: just a fantastic show. It's only six episodes, which is like,

961
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: we're going to get into that that it's only six

962
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: episodes and what that means. But Leah, let's talk about it.

963
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: He was welcomed Carmen to this show. Who was their

964
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 5: on this show to watch? She hit up our group chat.

965
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 5: I was immediately like, why are you not watching?

966
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

967
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: But we got there.

968
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 5: I think Heater Rivalry was such a surprise to everyone. Carmen,

969
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 5: How did you first hear about Heated Rivalry?

970
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, I just opened up my HBO app

971
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 7: one day and there it was. I guess the algorithm

972
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 7: fed it to me because I watched lots of gay

973
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 7: content and there was on my homepage. I saw these

974
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 7: two hot hockey players, and then I read the description

975
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 7: and I was like, wait, where did this show come from? I?

976
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 7: You know, I'm a big.

977
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 4: Boys wasn't that what everyone was lasting?

978
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 7: I'm a big you know, boys love enjoyer. I enjoy

979
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 7: that whole genre. But I had never heard of the books.

980
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 7: I'd never heard of Heated Rivalry. So I immediately rushed

981
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 7: to my gay best friend's house and we watched it together,

982
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 7: and it became like our show that we watched together.

983
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I love that you mentioned kind of the notion

984
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: of how you love boys love. This is a space

985
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: that is much more known in like the anime space,

986
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: in the manga space. Yawie Dan may like really explicit

987
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: romance between men that has been like at the heart

988
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: of a lot of written manga and anime storytelling and

989
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: written often by women, right, fuji Oshi, Yeah, you know

990
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: there's a lot of it, Like there's this kind of notion,

991
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: and that itself has been a controversial talking point about

992
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: here Reverie. But I think what's really funny that you

993
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: bring up is like I think for a lot of

994
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: people in the entertainment space, they were not aware of

995
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: how deeply popular queer romantic novels have been recently in

996
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: the last like ten years, like these. This is a

997
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: five four five book series that has been continuously best selling.

998
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: So I love that you kind of bring I think

999
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: that the notion of it being this bookish thing and

1000
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: a book adaptation brings one audience. But I think why

1001
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 3: it got that huge online line audience really is those

1002
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: boys love the same people who are watching Yuri on

1003
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: R ten years ago.

1004
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 4: You know, it's the same crap.

1005
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 7: But a lot of people underestimate how much straight women

1006
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 7: want this type of content.

1007
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stre That's the thing that I

1008
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: would like to so I would a conversation I remember

1009
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: when OZ was on TV. Do we remember OZ on HBO?

1010
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: The prison show which ran for several seasons on HBO

1011
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: and and featured a lot of gay relationships, gay sex,

1012
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: both consensual and non consensual happening in that show. And

1013
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: I remember a story at the time, it might have

1014
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: been any w or the Hollywood reporter somewhere that said,

1015
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: one of the surprises that they found from this show

1016
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: was what a strong component great women were in the

1017
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: fan base. And that's continuing here. I do think there's

1018
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: something about watching men be masculine and vulnerable but also

1019
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: not focused on them correct it happened in seeing it

1020
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: happen in a way that's doesn't involve them, but is

1021
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: also kind of like an ideal of this kind of guy.

1022
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: Yep, there's a safe.

1023
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 3: Women.

1024
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 7: Gay porn is the only place where we can watch

1025
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 7: men have sex without a woman being objectified in the process.

1026
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 7: And I just love ye for it, you know, And

1027
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 7: so I think.

1028
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: That's a really cool way of putting it common How

1029
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: quickly did you see that kind of explosion from you

1030
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: watching it and you and your friend going like, oh shit,

1031
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: we know this is special to that. What was it

1032
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: like to see that kind of spread and become I mean,

1033
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: this took over Stranger Things, no question in the discourse.

1034
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: Even younger people that I know who had been excited

1035
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: for Stranger Things, who were in their teens were watching

1036
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: this show, So, like, what did it feel like to

1037
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: see it kind of swell?

1038
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 7: I expected it to, be quite honest, the second I

1039
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 7: saw this, I said, women are going to love this,

1040
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 7: because I am no stranger to the Fujoshie girl. You know.

1041
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 7: I went to Japan in October of last year. I

1042
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 7: visited my Little Boys Love Shop, and it is full

1043
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 7: of straight women who are there to just buy their

1044
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 7: their boys love and like we said, it's a safe

1045
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 7: space for women. So I was not at all surprised

1046
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 7: to see that this was going to take off. What

1047
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 7: I was so surprised by, I guess, was how many

1048
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 7: different groups of people were embracing it, ages, races, We had,

1049
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 7: like all sorts of different like sexualities embracing this. I

1050
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 7: was surprised to see, like my lesbian friends also really

1051
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 7: loving it.

1052
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 3: And that I also do want to say, I think

1053
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: that is the big difference here from a lot of

1054
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: the content, because if you are in bookish spaces or

1055
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 3: fandom spaces. There are often these conversations around like, well,

1056
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: why as a straight woman the only one writing these

1057
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: gay stories. Now that has changed luckily, and there are

1058
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: many many different queer books written by all different kinds

1059
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: of queer people. So there's been a lot of controversy

1060
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: in the past about Fujioshi and this idea of straight

1061
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: women finding joy and gay sex. But I will say

1062
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: I think that Heated Rivalry is one of the few

1063
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: times that I have seen all the Venn diagrams come

1064
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: together and be like, actually, this is kind of for

1065
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: all of us, and that has been very cool.

1066
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: I think the fact that this was adapted by a

1067
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 5: gay man is like really heavily impacting that circle because

1068
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: it's fantastic all of like what he I haven't read

1069
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 5: the book, so this is just from fans who read

1070
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 5: the book and then watched the show and have been

1071
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: talking about it. There's like a level of intimacy that

1072
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 5: they feel was not present in the books, and they're

1073
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 5: like the books start off like really strongly, there's a

1074
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 5: lot of sex. It's kind of the hyper focus. They're

1075
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 5: like the intimate elements of the relationship. I think a

1076
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 5: lot of people gravitate toward you know. One of the

1077
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 5: things that we've kind of talked about offline is like

1078
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 5: the surprise you know, for Americans who experienced the show

1079
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 5: on HBO, the way people were like, the sex is crazy.

1080
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 5: You know. I'm like, I've seen an HBO show before,

1081
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 5: Like this is not out of the realm of like

1082
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 5: what you can expect in this space.

1083
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 4: And I do think, but it's gay.

1084
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 5: We do tend to like when it's queer, all of

1085
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 5: a sudden, it's like very scandalized in the same way

1086
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 5: that if it's a woman having an orgasm, we have

1087
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 5: a much different reaction than if it's a man having it.

1088
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: But I think that there's something.

1089
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 5: Like what really impressed me about the show is we've

1090
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: been watching it is like these two actors are young

1091
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 5: boys who you know, are really taking to stardom and

1092
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 5: finding their spotlight. It's so much fun. Congratulations boys. The

1093
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 5: level of just affection they bring to these two characters

1094
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 5: I think has been really missing in TV romances. But

1095
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 5: that's kind of the last time I remember seeing this

1096
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 5: level of like care and gentleness between partners. Even when

1097
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 5: I think about, like, you know, we don't have a

1098
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 5: lot of like straight romance centered shows. We got shows

1099
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 5: that have romance in them, you know, we have shows.

1100
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, shows like Bridgeton, but there's no like those

1101
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: are very much about like repression and then romance, which

1102
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: just has a little bit with the notion of them

1103
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: having to be closeted, but that in itself gets to

1104
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: be a journey that changes.

1105
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 4: Can I talk a little bit?

1106
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 8: Oh sorry?

1107
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk about my critique

1108
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 7: of the show and like Boy's Love and just Ye,

1109
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 7: which kind of ties into what Rosie said there, which

1110
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 7: is just you know, one of the issues with Boy's

1111
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 7: Love is that it is a fantasy, of course, and

1112
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 7: in that fantasy, we don't really homophobia doesn't really exist

1113
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 7: in the Boy's Love seen. And I'm not saying I

1114
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 7: necessarily needed to see our boys be, you know, at

1115
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 7: every turn facing homophobia from everyone in their lives. But

1116
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 7: I think one of the hard things for me to

1117
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 7: understand was that some of the choices that they made

1118
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 7: if they are live, if everyone around them is so

1119
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 7: accepting of them being gay, and everyone around them is

1120
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 7: so like open and like ready to accept them as

1121
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 7: being gay. And we've got Ilia whose father just died

1122
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 7: his mother is dead, he has all the money and

1123
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 7: his he owes, his family in Russia. Nothing essentially, why

1124
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 7: are they choosing?

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00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: You know?

1126
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 7: And I was shaking. I was at a bar watching

1127
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 7: the sixth episode because I needed to be in an

1128
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 7: environment fantastic, and I was shaking my head at this

1129
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 7: whole Like, I love the idea of the charity. I

1130
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 7: love the idea that they are going to do something

1131
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 7: to give back, but that being the whole way that

1132
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 7: they are going to make their relationship you know, work,

1133
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 7: and how they're going to stick together as essentially like

1134
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 7: their beard.

1135
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 6: You know.

1136
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: I rolled my eyes.

1137
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, sorry, go ahead, finish it, finish.

1138
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 7: Just because you know, I needed to see a little

1139
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 7: bit of like I needed to understand why they were

1140
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 7: so concerned with staying in the closet, Especially for me,

1141
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 7: I gave up a lot to not, you know, be

1142
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 7: in the closet.

1143
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to not.

1144
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: I would also, Yeah, I think it's a I think

1145
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: it's a valuable perspective. I watched this with my wife

1146
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: and we were like screaming at each other, like these

1147
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: characters were real. Yeah yeah, because there's okay, so the

1148
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: investment so to bring. I think it's an interesting perspective

1149
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: because I I think that's a good note and I

1150
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: agree with you. I also think that, uh, probably a

1151
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: lot of viewers I'd put myself in this are coming

1152
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: to this with a understanding and ambient understanding of homophobia

1153
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: in the way it exists right in you know, Western

1154
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: culture of America, North America, whatever. Yeah, that makes you

1155
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: feel the danger even though it isn't represented. And here's like,

1156
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: here's an example of a thing where Christina and I

1157
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: were like yelling at the TV and each other, not

1158
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: in an aggressive way, but yes, you know. So when

1159
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: Scott comes out on the ice after so they win,

1160
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: they win the cup, right, Scott brings his partner Kip

1161
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: down down to the ice I'm sorry, down to the ice,

1162
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: right and basically comes out like that, and Christine was like,

1163
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: so great, Like I don't understand people should just do this,

1164
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is a wonderful scene. This

1165
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: is really cute. This would never even if all of

1166
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: these characters were surrounded with the support that they is

1167
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: depicted in this show, this would never happen for the

1168
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: reason that in a team sport, this would be the

1169
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: perception would be you just made it about yourself. Correct

1170
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: with the team just won a title and I think

1171
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: it was like nine years since New York had won

1172
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: like the Cup, right, and now you've done this thing

1173
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: that is wonderful and pioneering and beautiful. But the way

1174
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: it would be perceived within the team was you just

1175
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: made this whole thing about your.

1176
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: Couldn't have just come down for us everything you could

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: come down.

1178
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: Every single interview now is not going to be about

1179
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: how do you feel about winning the Cup this long

1180
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: journey about yourself. It's going to be about your teammate.

1181
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: And so these are these moments where I think to

1182
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: agree with you, Carmen, it's it felt it, it felt

1183
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: great and in the moment, but like the heightening, I

1184
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with that scene within the context

1185
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: of the show. No, but there's a there's a reason

1186
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: why that could never happen even if you, an athlete,

1187
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: was on a team of completely like progressive, supportive, non

1188
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: homophobic teammates.

1189
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1190
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: No, I think you make a great point in Jason

1191
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 3: and common to because also one of the other big

1192
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: things I've seen people critique and look, I do believe

1193
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: can change the wild and we saw this directly happened

1194
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: after heat and rivalry. But one of our incredible colleagues

1195
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: in this industry, BJ Colangelo. She's done a lot of

1196
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: incredible reporting on this and talking about this because she's

1197
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: a lesbian who has a trans wife, and kind of

1198
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 3: these critiques of like, that's not how gay people have sex.

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01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: She did all these great posts about actually, you don't

1200
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: know how we fuck, like there's so many different kinds

1201
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: of ways, And she did a really good post that

1202
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: I think was really important and vital, which which Jason,

1203
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: don't worry, we're gonna get to you because it's my favorite,

1204
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: it's your favorite, it's my favorite take of yours.

1205
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 4: But she also made a great point.

1206
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 3: That in the in the last few years especially, it's

1207
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: actually been incredibly unsafe for people to go to the

1208
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: NHL right and to go to the hockey league, and

1209
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: they have taken away the Pride banners and the Pride

1210
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: laces and the hoodies and all that stuff.

1211
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: So I think that that now.

1212
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: They're welcoming them because of the money. You know, they

1213
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 3: love they love the Pink Dollar. But I also do

1214
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: think that when we're talking about this show that we

1215
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: all love too much and I agree, like episode six

1216
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 3: and when Kip brings them down that I was crying,

1217
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: and also like incredible castings. Incredibly casting because all of

1218
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: all of Hudson's family has the same shock taste, so

1219
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 3: when you're watching them, you're like, oh, this is a

1220
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 3: fucking family. But all of that said, I think that

1221
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: it's really important that queer people are having these conversations

1222
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: and saying, yeah, we love this, but actually, you know,

1223
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 3: a bunch of a bunch of women, straight women, or

1224
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: gay women just or gay men just randomly showing up

1225
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: to a hockey space might not be safe. Actually, And

1226
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: there's been a big series. You know, hockey's had a

1227
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: lot of issues, like a lot of professional sport with

1228
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 3: assaulting people and stuff like that. But I love to

1229
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: then see that the NHL did this big night that

1230
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: everyone was able to go to. And I think that

1231
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,959
Speaker 3: now they've basically been corporately forced into being pro gay again,

1232
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: which is the only way you can make a corporation

1233
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: b pro.

1234
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 5: He still gets like two hundred thousand viewers on average,

1235
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 5: which is abysmal for a live sports thing, and there

1236
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 5: are numbers of dwindling.

1237
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 8: Through years now.

1238
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 4: But they said any kind of.

1239
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 5: Attention they can get is good attention for them now.

1240
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 5: And I would say, it's really going to be up

1241
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 5: to you know, not to be too much of my actives.

1242
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: Bagaus.

1243
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: We up to the que community to kind of hold

1244
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 5: their feet to the fire about some of this shift.

1245
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: No, No, it's important in the twenty twenties is insane crazy.

1246
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, when a culture, when you when you get leverage

1247
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: within uh sports space and entertainment space, then you know,

1248
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: keep it and use it. I would say to the

1249
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: facts are pouring into the NHL and lending Yah. But

1250
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: I would say, like generally, having been around sports, I

1251
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: think sports is a it's an interesting thing, right because

1252
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: there are like within basketball, there are gay players who

1253
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: are known to their teammates. Right, Yeah, nobody particularly has

1254
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: a problem with it. No, And yet like the language

1255
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: in and around the sport that's used kind of like

1256
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: an everyday level is I wouldn't even see latent like

1257
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: it's it's homophobic. But in a way that like I

1258
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: don't even want to say, tricks you into not thinking

1259
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: it's homophobic, because to be a I.

1260
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: Know exactly what you mean. It's the casual use of.

1261
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: Look at how zesty you just got You've just figured

1262
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: out a different way to say that guy looks like.

1263
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 7: It got sugar in his tan.

1264
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so that's other language that's out there, right,

1265
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: And but at the same time, there is a general

1266
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: acceptance for teammates as long as they don't make their

1267
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: their two lives the story that's bigger than the team.

1268
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 3: I think the problem is that there is a double

1269
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: standard there because obviously sports guys are always making their

1270
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: lives loud to buy, raping women and doing other fucked

1271
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 3: up ship and doing drugs. A gig caught wait beingway

1272
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: being incredible.

1273
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 5: Taylor's just taken over. Yeah, football, like every time she's

1274
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 5: at a game the way I will bet you, I

1275
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 5: will bet you.

1276
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: Whatever questions about, Like I bet you Travis Kelsey's teammates

1277
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: are annoyed about.

1278
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure they are.

1279
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 4: I bet you, Okay, one of the things.

1280
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 3: So, Jason, speaking of questions, you had some questions watching

1281
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: the show. Let's let's bring out, let's bring out, let's

1282
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: do let's be.

1283
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: What you need.

1284
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: So we're watching the show and I turned I went,

1285
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of want to see Dick here.

1286
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think listen, I don't not.

1287
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 4: Excuse to nowhere it's going.

1288
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: I just need to know some of the geography. Just

1289
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: give me a snapot. So i I'm like dead wreck

1290
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: in my way around the landscape. And it got me think,

1291
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I need to like watch just a

1292
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: little bit of gay porn to kind of because I

1293
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I'm in an undiscovered country and

1294
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I thought I understood what was happening, but like,

1295
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: clearly I don't, and I feel like it's hindering at

1296
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: some level. It was like hindering my.

1297
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 4: It was taking.

1298
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: It was taking me out of the moment when I'm like,

1299
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: hold on, what's happening? Can you When I'd be like,

1300
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: just give me a little bit, just give me a and.

1301
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: I will say are one of my biggest one of

1302
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: my biggest theories about the next season is we will

1303
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: get more sex. We will get because I think HBO

1304
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: it's going to want to co produce because in case

1305
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 3: you didn't know, guys, whole show was producing Canada.

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Speaker 4: No American co producer would touch it. So it's not

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Speaker 4: Emmy is.

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Speaker 1: By crave which why by the way, we joked that.

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Speaker 4: Before Crave show Guys Rolling drag Race Canada.

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01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think on it we were joking like

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: if we all pooled all of our assets today, I

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: think we have. I think we have more in that

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: very meager pile than probably the budget of Crave.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 4: Crave is literally like c.

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01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 3: W in Canada, mixed with sometimes That'll show Lifetime movies.

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01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 3: They have repooled drag Race, they have Geisha, I think the.

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01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: Next which is like, yeah, it's factional, minimal, and then

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: they did wonderful with that.

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01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, unbelievable.

1321
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 2: It's actually an asset to the show.

1322
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 5: Like there's really talking a lot, you know, over the

1323
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 5: past years on this show about like what a lower

1324
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 5: budget can do for a story. It forces you to

1325
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 5: be creative. Did they use the same rink for everything?

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 4: Sure?

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01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: Did you care to know?

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01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 5: Did they use the same podium every time someone had

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01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 5: to give a speech?

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01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 4: Sure? Did?

1331
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: Did I care? Not at all?

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 5: There's like six settings and maybe like eleven characters are

1333
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 5: such a small show, we're reusing wardrobe. Whatever it worked

1334
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 5: because the emotional intentionality was there. I also think, you know,

1335
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 5: something else we've talked about is like a six episode

1336
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 5: run that I'm not getting a sequel to until twenty.

1337
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 7: Twenty seven episodes over ten years. By the way, like

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 7: the time span, you know the times?

1339
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 5: Yes, how crazy is It's a bismal We're gonna have

1340
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 5: to wait so long for a show that is so

1341
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 5: beloved for actors who are so in the zeitgeist right now, like.

1342
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 4: They couldn't be filming it. But six is not even right,

1343
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, sat down, they have the time.

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1345
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 5: Well, so my hope is that what we see in

1346
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 5: the future is a you have to greenlight this war episodes.

1347
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 5: ABO does need to comment as a partner, and I

1348
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 5: think HBO will want to. The show's been out the

1349
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 5: air for like two weeks. It's still number one yea

1350
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 5: dipped in popularity.

1351
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I posted about this online that like, how

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: can it be that in the late network era we

1353
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: were pumping out twenty three twenty five episodes? Yeah, loss

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: at a clip, and we can't get another six together. Way,

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: it should be eight or ten. A, it should be

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01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: eight or ten. We're not going to get another six

1357
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: episodes of a show that has minimal locations, less than

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: fifteen cast members and basically no they fill in the

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01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: seat film in like three months, yes, and so you know,

1360
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: people are like, well, but it needs it takes time

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: for the slower and I'm like, first of all, this

1362
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: is not a slow burn episode. Yeah, stop with the

1363
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: slow There's six episodes and it's.

1364
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 4: Not that the lightning like.

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01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: Like what I was literally like, what are you talking about? Slower?

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: And then people are like, well, it takes time, and

1367
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I know, it takes I get that.

1368
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: What the problem is is not that Jacob Tierney is

1369
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: too slow with the problem is now that we made

1370
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: all this money and we see the potential to make

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01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: even more money. Is platforms and studios are trying to

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01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: figure out, like, okay, how can we make all that

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01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: money and keep Jacob Tieraney still is the only guy

1374
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: making that show? Yes, exactly, that's the fucking budget. Now,

1375
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: high writing high eight writers can let's get.

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 7: Can I say exactly Jacob Tierney with the budget? I

1377
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 7: mean again, we've said it, like, done an amazing job.

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01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 7: The scene photography is amazing. There's a super going around,

1379
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 7: not a critique.

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01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: This is this is give Jacob Tianny a team, because

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 3: look at what he did on his own. This is

1382
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: not a critique. This is imagine how amazing it could be.

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01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 3: And also isn't this the issue with quis series? They

1384
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 3: often don't invest when other shows would invest. And obviously

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01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: we know that there is an investment here. The thing

1386
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: I love to see is that really the investment is

1387
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 3: from the fans. All the merchandise that's going viral is

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01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 3: fan made.

1389
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 4: All the conversations that are on the table.

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Speaker 7: In all of the merchants in the show is made

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 7: by Rachel Read. This actually blew my mind. Rachel Reads

1392
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 7: wrote these books. She started her own merch company and

1393
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 7: started printing out her and so you can try. You

1394
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 7: can't buy a heated rivalry jersey right now, which.

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 5: Means they just had to pay Rachel another check for

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 5: the rights to the vision. You need to have the

1397
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 5: hired artists to write all of the logos. If I

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01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 5: don't listen, here's my challenge to Craven HBO. Give me

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 5: a new season by next Christmas.

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Speaker 4: I think you could do it.

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: I think you have the time and energy, the books written.

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01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 5: You're just adapt I won't say just adapting, that's an

1403
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 5: actual skill, but like you have the time and the

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 5: space and the money and.

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 4: The energy and the content exists.

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: Okay, we should talk about quickly.

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01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I was gonna say.

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: And also I want Joe l I also want you

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01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 3: to talk quickly about maybe we can go in from

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 3: that into just about league of their own.

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: Yes.

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01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 5: So something that really stuck out to me about Heated

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01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 5: Rivalry was the coming out scene, which I wasn't sure

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 5: if we were going to get and I haven't read

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01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: the book, and when it happened, I was having a

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 5: nervous breakdown because David, Dad, David, who I've loved up

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 5: until this point, walks in on his son he's seeing

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01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 5: another guy, and then flees the house.

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01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you're so close.

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: It's a lot of process in the moment for him.

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 5: And here's something if you walk in on your child

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 5: being intimate with another person, immediately, your reaction should be

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01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 5: like nope, I'm to me later. So David is not

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 5: a bad guy, but I just didn't know what was happening.

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 5: I didn't know like if he was going to be like, oh,

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01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 5: I'm you know. I didn't know what's gonna happen. So

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 5: when we get to the house and and we get

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01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 5: the speech from you, know his uh Shane's mom. This

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 5: is identical to my coming out. Guys, inside, my mother

1430
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 5: caught me.

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: On the phone.

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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 4: You were standing in the field, Yeah, I was.

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01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 5: I was in her car talking to my college roommate

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 5: about our upcoming weekend. I was saying stuff about being queer,

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01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 5: and she looks at me. I'm so comfortable with my

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01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 5: hand told him I never came out to my dad.

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Speaker 5: Didn't need to, he knew, but it was the exact thing.

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Speaker 5: So she cries, and I'm like, she's mad, she hates me.

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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 5: She's so upset, and she's like, I can't believe you

1440
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 5: didn't tell me. I didn't make it safe for you

1441
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 5: to tell me. I'm so sorry. I never loved my

1442
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 5: mother more like, oh, you get it, you understand you're

1443
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 5: here for me and so. And you don't get a

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01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 5: lot of coming out stories like that. And I think

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01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 5: for some people think it's such a it's like it's

1446
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 5: not a fantasy, like this is a real reaction. And

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01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 5: I think for folks who did not have positive coming out,

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01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 5: it's really lovely to see like what could be, what

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01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 5: might have been, like how they could like accept you know,

1450
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 5: and too for just as a blueprint for parents, like, yeah,

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 5: that's beautiful.

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: And it was so interesting.

1453
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 3: That it's like Heart Stopper, that both of them have

1454
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 3: been blueprints for people to be able to come out.

1455
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 5: And Stopper's coming out scene destroyed me. So beautiful, so lovely,

1456
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 5: so gentle, to not like it's just kitchen table like Mom,

1457
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 5: I'm gay.

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm telling you just I love you and

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: thank you.

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 5: Beautiful, beautiful, And it was interesting that this came out

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01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 5: at the same time as Stranger Things, when we have.

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Speaker 4: Will another and that's a really yeah yeah, And.

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 5: That's interesting because Will from Stranger Things as a kid

1464
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 5: that like, at first the phantom was like is he gay?

1465
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 5: And then fans do what they do, We'll ship him

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 5: with his best friend.

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01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: Loved that. They were really into it.

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01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 5: Then when you get the show kind of teasing it,

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01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 5: they're like, well, maybe he's giving some longing looks, so

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 5: we won't say, but it could be, which is the

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 5: tease we've gotten from Time Infinity. It's very annoying you

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 5: always back, and then this year they're like, we'll embrace it.

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01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: He's gay.

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01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 5: It's great, he'll have this coming out moment. But the

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01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 5: coming out felt so inauthentic that it was really a problem.

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01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 5: We talk about this in our Stranger Things Breakdown, But

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01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 5: I think what really irked me about it was eight

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01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 5: We've just come off a very lovely conversation about the

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01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 5: fantasy of queerness within the real world and how it

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01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 5: can be great sometimes to just suspend reality and let

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 5: people just be and that's lovely.

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01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: This is the show set in.

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 5: The eighties, I would possibly say the height of homophobia.

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Speaker 7: And em.

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01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 5: It's also really difficult time and to watch him come

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01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 5: out to a room full of people, some of whom

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 5: are practically strangers, drive out in genuous In that speech,

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01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 5: he else his lesbian guardian who was only come out

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01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 5: to three people I hope, who.

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01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 4: Was his Elsa, who helped him make things happened. He

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01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 4: was like, bitch, what cold doll like? I think.

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 3: I think there are issues narratively too, because one of

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 3: the big critiques this has been tied into a lot

1494
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 3: of which I'm sure we'll talk about in news a

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 3: little bit, but the conformer eGate theory, which kind of

1496
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 3: took over.

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: The Stranger Things fandoms.

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Speaker 4: But basically part of part of the.

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01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 3: Stranger Things can continuum gate, which I'm sure there will

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: be a book for and then called continuum Gate at

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01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 3: some point about cults and fandom and stuff. But basically

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: was a theory that went so intense that it crashed Netflix.

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,520
Speaker 4: One of the big Google count. One of the big reasons.

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01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 3: People believed that was because the coming out scene didn't

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 3: make sense. People said, why does he say I don't

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: like girls? Like why doesn't he say I like Will?

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01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 3: Why didn't he come out to Will? And it seems

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01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 3: more like something that can would say, like, there's all

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01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 3: these funny things, but it's just bad writing and I'm

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 3: terrible writing. Ironically, they build it.

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01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: Up to much.

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01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:21,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to now deliver a very passive

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01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: defense of definition.

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Speaker 4: And I actually love this page so much, so please

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01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 4: I think it's important.

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Speaker 1: Heated rival Re is a gay show that crossed over

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 1: right with it with it it is for gay people,

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01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: right yes, and it crossed over Stranger Things is for

1519
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: straight people and this moment. What its utility is is

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: to teach straight people who are kind of nominally in

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Speaker 1: theoretic pro gay people, but maybe think they don't know

1522
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: any gay people, you know, that kind of area of

1523
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: the country, like I don't know, any get his there

1524
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: in the closet and and show them how it would

1525
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: be possible to have someone come out to you.

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01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 4: That's what that scene is.

1527
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: It's not even it's not even about the person coming out,

1528
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: it's about everybody else. That's why you have the bus

1529
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: driver there and all these other people, because it's like,

1530
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: that's that's the utility. That's the reason that scene kind

1531
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: of exists. It's to teach straight people how to react

1532
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: when someone comes Oh, this is what it would be

1533
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: like when someone comes out, and.

1534
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 4: Oh, good for you.

1535
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 3: That's like literally because I think you're right. I think

1536
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 3: that's ten years behind.

1537
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: I think that's this.

1538
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 3: I think all of this hasn't changed since the beginning.

1539
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 3: It didn't grow with the audience. And I think in

1540
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: comparison to the loving, empathetic coming out scene that we

1541
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: saw any rivalry which has been clipped millions of times,

1542
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: and everyone is sharing it, even if they don't know

1543
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 3: there's like frauding in the like that just sharing it

1544
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 3: because it's emotional, so like it's a shame because I

1545
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 3: think you're so right, And I hope that for a

1546
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 3: lot of people who are maybe in the Midwest and

1547
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 3: haven't come out, it did feel like, well, that's.

1548
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: What I mean.

1549
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: I think there's an importance, right, and I think it's

1550
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: a very underrated importance, even if the scene does not

1551
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 1: ring true in any kind of way to a lived experience.

1552
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: I think it's very important to create these spaces where

1553
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: someone who is gay but has not come out can

1554
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,520
Speaker 1: watch something that is not explicitly like a gay show,

1555
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: have progressive messages in it with their wider family and friends,

1556
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: and can see something that's aspirational, even though whenever it

1557
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: happens for them it won't look anything like that. But

1558
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: to create this, here's this thing that can happen, and

1559
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: it can happen maybe some in a way that kind

1560
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: of looks like this, I actually think that's as ham

1561
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: handed as that scene is and was. I actually think

1562
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of important that it exists utility for that

1563
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: reason well as a space for like straight people who

1564
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: don't know anything about gays and gay people who are

1565
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: like kind of searching for a way to come out

1566
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: can all like watch that together it's not about that

1567
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: and kind of accept that as a thing that is

1568
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: possible in the world.

1569
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 5: I agree in theory with you, Jason, Like in theory.

1570
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 5: It's great to have, like predominantly straight shows with math

1571
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 5: audiences show a coming out and what that can be like,

1572
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 5: it's beautiful. The Duffer brothers talk, they were like, well,

1573
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 5: at first we were just haven come up to his mom,

1574
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 5: but that felt weird, and so he didn't do that,

1575
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 5: and then we did everybody and that felt right, and

1576
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 5: I just to me, to.

1577
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 2: Me, the key was always it was always Will.

1578
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 5: I don't understand why Mike and Will couldn't have just

1579
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 5: had that scene by themselves. That's the person you're most

1580
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 5: afraid to tell, the guy you have a crush on,

1581
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 5: who also your best friend and your.

1582
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 2: Emotional It's the two characters that we actually care and

1583
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 2: love about.

1584
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the big critiques of Stranger Things

1585
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 5: was like, there's so many new characters in this final season,

1586
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 5: what the hell is going on? I just think like that,

1587
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 5: to me is like the mispoint, because I do I

1588
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 5: do want in straight spaces for there to be queer

1589
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,919
Speaker 5: folks and for us to have these conversations. It's still important.

1590
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 5: There's still a lot of homophobia, like in our country.

1591
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 5: I just think like how they approached it doesn't give

1592
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 5: you the best tools you could you could not come

1593
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 5: out that way? It is is so horrifying the first

1594
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 5: time or the second time you tell someone like, hey,

1595
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 5: I'm different than you, and this fear of being like

1596
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 5: rejected and kicked you.

1597
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:40,959
Speaker 2: I don't know a single person who's.

1598
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 5: Ever had a mask coming out in a consensual way,

1599
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 3: It did look like it did look like an individual

1601
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,440
Speaker 3: exactly what it looked like from my perspective.

1602
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 7: I you know, I obviously watch all of Heated Ryberley.

1603
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 7: I tuned in for the coming out scene of Stranger

1604
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 7: Things because I said, let me see.

1605
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: How this looks.

1606
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 7: But what came across to me more than anything, and

1607
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 7: going back to Jason's point of authenticity, is just like

1608
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 7: it felt like they were ready for the rap party.

1609
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 7: They were ready, like cut the camera, let's get like,

1610
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 7: let's get this ship, let's get the fuck out of here,

1611
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 7: let's go get were done.

1612
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 3: They filmed there for like ten hours or some ship

1613
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 3: and I'm like, listen or.

1614
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 4: Something like the.

1615
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: Rap party.

1616
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 3: I also just want to say you, it's very rare

1617
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 3: that you're going to hear me say something empathy towards

1618
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 3: the Duffer brothers on here, because they have not treated

1619
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: people great throughout the time I've been on the sets,

1620
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,480
Speaker 3: like it's it's not great, it's it's it's it's historically

1621
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 3: you know recorded. But somebody, please do not let these

1622
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 3: men do these interviews straight after the they seem saying and.

1623
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 4: Say that, like, let these men have a break.

1624
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: They do not need to be doing press tours saying

1625
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 3: ship like oh, we just decided it worked, or you.

1626
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 4: Know, the really one that everyone's been we'll come back

1627
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 4: to it.

1628
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 3: We need boy is the very honest sort of we'll

1629
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 3: come back to it. We may need money, but you're

1630
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 3: not meant to say that. You're meant to say, no,

1631
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: this is the true end. And you know, maybe if

1632
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 3: the right story, like there's a game you're meant to

1633
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: play and they're so burned out they're not playing it.

1634
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 3: And so I'm just saying, like, let's give let's Netflix

1635
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 3: take them off the press tour for a little bit, please.

1636
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 5: I want to just end this conversation on queer television

1637
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 5: and its current state of being. In the past year,

1638
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 5: we've seen the following movie or TV series be canceled. Greaser,

1639
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 5: Rise of the Pink Ladies, mid Century Modern, a League

1640
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 5: of their own Boots. All of these shows are queer

1641
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 5: centered have eager audiences. I mean, Boots was everywhere on

1642
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 5: my timeline. I know it didn't hit outside of its

1643
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 5: zeitgeist really, but the games were absolutely about that series

1644
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 5: all canceled after one season. It is incredible to me

1645
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 5: that this show that you know, Crave said when they

1646
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 5: were originally pitching it around to different networks, they were like, oh,

1647
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 5: how will women get into this? Oh, the sex happens

1648
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 5: too early, Maybe we leave that for the finale. The

1649
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 5: fact that they like really stood ten tones down and

1650
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 5: we're like, absolutely not, this is the show. We're just

1651
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 5: gonna They released it early. Originally supposed to come out

1652
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 5: in February. They were like, we're just gonna release it

1653
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 5: at the top of the NHL season. There was only

1654
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 5: one trailer out with dropped like they were like, the

1655
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 5: show is good and it's we're getting it to its audience,

1656
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 5: and I really hope the lesson is taken away is

1657
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 5: not listen. If you want to make sixty more sports

1658
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 5: queer shows, I'm here for it. But I think authenticity

1659
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 5: in this in the vein of whatever genre you're hitting

1660
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 5: and allowing the shows to be as gay as they

1661
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 5: want to be, and then supporting them beyond the first

1662
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 5: season is essential. I really think there's an audience here,

1663
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 5: there's money to be made. It is crazy to me,

1664
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 5: and the same way that we've seen women create as

1665
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 5: dwindle out of Hollywood in the past couple of years,

1666
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 5: the fact that they're just shutting these queer shows down

1667
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 5: and not giving them a chance, it's kind of devastating

1668
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 5: to me.

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01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: I think that there is probably a reason to be

1670
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:02,919
Speaker 1: unpacked about this show show being produced not in America,

1671
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: and I think that to me, the lesson I have

1672
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 1: two lessons. One, nobody knows nothing, the famous saying nobody

1673
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,879
Speaker 1: knows what will be a hit. Take some shots, especially

1674
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: with stuff that's low budget, because you never know. And secondarily,

1675
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, we can quibble about some of the shows

1676
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, but I think generally speaking with whether

1677
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: it's Boots or or their Own or Pink Pink Ladies,

1678
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: I think the other lesson I would take from Heat

1679
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: to Rivalry is make it fucking sexy.

1680
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 4: Let people gay people follow, and I love that.

1681
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 1: I think that a La their Own was a fine show,

1682
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 1: very chaste, very very chaste show.

1683
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 2: And before the relationship starts not a good sign.

1684
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think if Heated Rivalry shown as anything

1685
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 1: is fucking go for it.

1686
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I love that and also I would yes please, Yeah,

1687
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 8: I mean it's not an important point, but just to like,

1688
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 8: I think this is a gay this is gay content

1689
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 8: that is ultimately made for straight women.

1690
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 7: Say that other people to enjoy as well, but it

1691
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 7: is definitely like claimed at straight women, and I think

1692
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 7: that was a huge part of the success and Healed

1693
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 7: Rivalry as well.

1694
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 3: Also, maybe that's a good takeaway, is like understanding that

1695
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 3: shows the aunt about a demographic can appeal to the demographic.

1696
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 4: Guys, Like we've always been saying this, but this is

1697
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 4: a great example of that.

1698
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 3: There is an outside demographic that is not represented in

1699
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 3: the show and people still love it.

1700
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, we're gonna be talking about Heated Rivalry in

1701
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: upcoming episodes, and if you haven't watched it, watch it.

1702
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: It's only six episodes. I guarantee you will zoom through it.

1703
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: I guarantee you will fucking zoom through it. And here's

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: the rest of the show. On the next episode of

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: Extra Vision, we're diving into Fallout episode two oh five.

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Actually, listening Do You Want

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01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: to Come? X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion

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01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,879
Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.

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Speaker 4: Our disc called Moderator