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Speaker 2: The sand Watch, Yaz and Katie Wells.
Speaker 1: We do this stream of consciousness thing sometimes randomly for
Speaker 1: episodes of Unpacking the Toolbox. We learned it from the
Speaker 1: lovely Hanna Simone because we did a crossover episode on
Speaker 1: her New Girl podcast and she did ours, and she
Speaker 1: did this freaking fun ass thing where she just she
Speaker 1: was like, I did a stream of consciouness consciousness while
Speaker 1: I was watching the episode, and she just wrote down
Speaker 1: what popped into her head while she was watching the episode,
Speaker 1: and me and Katie fell in love with it. And
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm doing it about a
Speaker 1: person and not an episode. So but also like reading
Speaker 1: it back Katie, I was like, this is giving me poem.
Speaker 1: Also like I did stream of consciousness. But then there's like,
Speaker 1: are you a poem?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing? You're upsella Alan Ginsberg? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Look at all right?
Speaker 1: So here goes Shonda Rhimes. A collector, an observer, a
Speaker 1: watcher of lives, of minds, of things good and bad,
Speaker 1: A quiet human, a quiet soul. I have never met
Speaker 1: a more quiet woman with the loudest mind and the
Speaker 1: loudest brain, and with the bestest skill to weave those
Speaker 1: collections she collects into stories that mesmerize us, that move us,
Speaker 1: that make us stand by the coolers at work and
Speaker 1: chatter with our friends and even foes about what we
Speaker 1: watched the night before and what we'll watch on Thursday
Speaker 1: at night after four That Thursday stuff changed my life.
Speaker 1: She took a chance on me and shined the light
Speaker 1: on my quietness, on my weirdness, and turned it into
Speaker 1: a character. Or rather, she created this character and then
Speaker 1: chose me to play it, and I melted into him. Shonda,
Speaker 1: I have never felt more intimidated by someone in my life.
Speaker 1: But that is only because I want to do good
Speaker 1: by you, by your brilliance, your words, from miks see
Speaker 1: Me and McDreamy to Olitz and o'lake and finally, with
Speaker 1: the win of Huckleberry Quinn, from you, so much more
Speaker 1: to come out there for the take.
Speaker 4: That's it, my godde hotter.
Speaker 5: As if you couldn't be cooler or hotter, or more
Speaker 5: interesting or more just the best human I've ever known.
Speaker 5: You're also a brilliant poet. Is everyone losing their minds.
Speaker 4: I'm losing my mind right now.
Speaker 5: Also, Seawanna is definitely listening to this episode and you
Speaker 5: will definitely hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good, good, good good.
Speaker 5: That was so beautiful. I mean, our listeners are Yesterday.
Speaker 5: Is the one and only Shonda Rhymes.
Speaker 1: The queen, the one and only, and she is.
Speaker 5: The creator of Huckleberry Quinn, the creator of Our Baby
Speaker 5: or Hawk like the Hook is one of the best
Speaker 5: care in all of television history.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm so lucky. We're so lucky to
Speaker 1: play these characters. She's also the queen of like all
Speaker 1: these stands right like oh late golits like mc steemy, McDreamy,
Speaker 1: all like all these like oh my nicknames that we've
Speaker 1: given these characters because people deeply fall in love with them.
Speaker 1: This is the woman that created these people, like these
Speaker 1: these stories.
Speaker 5: And these relationships that people are just like obsessed with.
Speaker 5: It's just so and season three, you know, I'm so
Speaker 5: glad she's coming on because season three was so pivotal.
Speaker 5: I feel like this was where scandal is scandal, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like one was one two we
Speaker 5: were like kind of getting out to the races and
Speaker 5: by season three, we were just like a fucking winning horse.
Speaker 4: Just do you like my horse metaphor? Right now? I
Speaker 4: don't know where working, but you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is the season where you felt like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, one of us is gonna get struck by lightning,
Speaker 1: one of us is gonna be off, and one of
Speaker 1: us was a few of.
Speaker 4: Us were dead.
Speaker 5: Jerry Graham dead, fucking James Novak dead dead. Oh that
Speaker 5: hot girl that looks like Marika dead dead?
Speaker 1: Also dead, like, oh oh.
Speaker 5: The guy I killed at the beginning dead, Sanhan dead?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yo? Did we We should have asked got
Speaker 1: about that, but we had him on the podcast before
Speaker 1: we did that episode.
Speaker 5: Next time him on again. We have to be like,
Speaker 5: remember that hot B six thirteen girl? She looked just
Speaker 5: like Marika?
Speaker 1: Was that intentional?
Speaker 3: Supposed to be?
Speaker 4: They could be sisters or something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, everyone, this episode is so great. But before
Speaker 5: G and I break down episode three eight, which is
Speaker 5: a personal fave of mine, we have an amazing, amazing guest.
Speaker 5: She's Bridgerton, She's Queen Charlotte, she is Gray's Anatomy, she's
Speaker 5: private practice, she's how to get and she's Scandal.
Speaker 4: You guys know who it is the one to know.
Speaker 1: That Shonda wh our Queen Bee.
Speaker 4: It's seander Ess.
Speaker 5: But we are at the time of this recording talking
Speaker 5: to her the day of the Bridgerton season three release.
Speaker 5: How is it feeling? Are we excited talk to us
Speaker 5: about Bridgerton?
Speaker 3: It's feeling good, you know what I was thinking, like,
Speaker 3: this is the season three release and I'm here to
Speaker 3: talk about season three Scandal.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yes, yes, So.
Speaker 5: Shaanna doesn't do short shows like just so everyone knows,
Speaker 5: even though it's funny, like Queen Charlotte was obviously a
Speaker 5: mini series. Inventing Anna was a miniseriies that I got
Speaker 5: to be on, and I remember when you walked in,
Speaker 5: you were like, this is really weird, Like I only
Speaker 5: do shows that laughed like forever.
Speaker 3: Seven years yeah, or more.
Speaker 4: So Bridgerton in season three? Does it feel new still?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: It does feel new because we have Jess Brown l
Speaker 3: now from Scandal when our Scandal writer's running the show,
Speaker 3: and so it's got like a fresh take and it's
Speaker 3: been really fun.
Speaker 1: That's so exciting.
Speaker 5: What can we can you tease anything as a massive
Speaker 5: step from you, I'm a freaking massive Bridgerton fan.
Speaker 3: I could see nothing except you're really gonna love it.
Speaker 3: It's a very sexy season and Lady Whistledown gets her due.
Speaker 3: I love Lady whistle Down.
Speaker 5: Oh you know what I'll be doing all weekend, We'll
Speaker 5: just be not leaving my house and just watching that. Okay,
Speaker 5: So take us through season three of Scandal. Gladiators was
Speaker 5: the Juggernaut season.
Speaker 3: It was like, I know because I went back to
Speaker 3: look at all the episode names, so like refresh myself,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, this is the season.
Speaker 3: This happened, and that happened, and this happened was my
Speaker 3: favorite seasons. Really me too.
Speaker 1: It's such a great season. I mean, major characters die,
Speaker 1: major characters murder. I mean it's a wild, wild season.
Speaker 1: And we were sort of we were in our groove, right.
Speaker 1: I think people really started to scan yeah and the characters,
Speaker 1: and it was such an exciting time.
Speaker 5: Do you remember, Seana, Like, what did your days at
Speaker 5: this point? Like, okay, Gray's is obviously the Juggernaut. Now
Speaker 5: you've got two oh my massive juggernauts happening at one time.
Speaker 3: Well, we also had we also had had to get
Speaker 3: away with Murder.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was all this, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was like the very beginning of it.
Speaker 5: I think, right, yeah, my gosh, what was your day
Speaker 5: to day like at this point? Are you sitting in
Speaker 5: the Scandal writer's room all day? Or are you like
Speaker 5: hiding in your office? Like what was a day to
Speaker 5: day like in Shonda Rhime's life at this moment in time.
Speaker 3: I feel like I was running around, like running around
Speaker 3: like a crazy person because I was popping in the
Speaker 3: Scandal's writer's room to talk about what we're going to
Speaker 3: do next and to hear all their ideas and pitches.
Speaker 3: I was in my office rewriting whatever script was coming up.
Speaker 3: I was also in my office editing whichever the next
Speaker 3: cut was to get on the air in like four days,
Speaker 3: and then I was going to like prep meetings and
Speaker 3: talking to Tom like it was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: You always wonder why I was never like sitting on set.
Speaker 3: I was like, do you I didn't have time for
Speaker 3: that because I was also editing every episode to Gray's
Speaker 3: Anatomy at that point too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I remember you. You sat on set
Speaker 1: with Betsy Beers during the pilot and that was probably
Speaker 1: the only time that you had time to eat that
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Until me did the finale, until he did the final episode.
Speaker 5: You came down a few times and we would be like,
Speaker 5: which is the right move? I think also like you
Speaker 5: came down, I think for our seven fifty two monologues
Speaker 5: in season yes, like there were a cop like a
Speaker 5: handful in seven or eight years that you came down.
Speaker 3: I wanted to see in person myself, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And also I think what you're what I've
Speaker 5: picked up on is there is this sort of at
Speaker 5: this point, which was already happening, there's like a real
Speaker 5: Shonda effect, which is people can't really and I love
Speaker 5: you so much, you know, I love you, but people
Speaker 5: can't do their jobs when Shonda comes to set because
Speaker 5: everyone is literally shaking in their shoes. I want to
Speaker 5: meet you and scared and intimidated and all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So it's better, Yeah, you know, it's better.
Speaker 3: I learned that, and I got to tell you like
Speaker 3: I learned it early on. I mean like maybe season
Speaker 3: six on grades, I would go to set and everything
Speaker 3: would stop and I'd go down to scandal and everybody.
Speaker 3: By then it was even worse because I had three nights,
Speaker 3: you know, three whole episodes of TG I T and
Speaker 3: people would be so nervous and like and I would comment.
Speaker 3: I would say like, oh nice wall, and they'd be
Speaker 3: like you hate them all, Like oh my god, We've
Speaker 3: got to you know, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 3: were trying so hard to please, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm basically messing up work here, so I'm not coming.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I remember you came down to inventing Anna
Speaker 5: one day and everyone was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Everyone who'd worked on the show with.
Speaker 5: You and at exchange a million emails on like clothing
Speaker 5: choices and.
Speaker 4: Were like, do you think I can get a photo?
Speaker 5: Like production stopped because everyone needed to get their picture
Speaker 5: for their family.
Speaker 3: It was nerve wracking, and I always feel so bad
Speaker 3: because honestly, I feel like I'm interrupting people having been
Speaker 3: able to do their creative process their way. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going down there unless it's an emergency.
Speaker 1: You need to go through like special effects like make
Speaker 1: up before you go to chests again and just go
Speaker 1: incognitiugno so people don't know what's you yeah, and they'll
Speaker 1: be there. I might try that, Yeah, you should seandy,
Speaker 1: didn't you You were also you were working on these shows,
Speaker 1: and then you were also raising kids at this time, right,
Speaker 1: did you already have your daughter?
Speaker 3: No, I was working on these shows. Emerson was two
Speaker 3: in season three, Beckett was one in season three. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Harper was like a like, it's starting to be a teenager.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, which is not an easy phase for kids.
Speaker 3: I would bring you know what, Emmy was amazing because
Speaker 3: I could tuck Emmy under my arm bring her to
Speaker 3: the office because she was was this like silent observant baby,
Speaker 3: and we would sit in the writer's room. She could
Speaker 3: sit in the writer's room like all.
Speaker 1: Day really and be perfectly fine and not make a peep.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: I remember her being at a table read, like you know,
Speaker 5: at the beginning of one and she just was so
Speaker 5: observiing and like.
Speaker 4: She would come to disablery and start of Buddha feeling.
Speaker 3: I remember remember one day I took her from a
Speaker 3: Gray's Anatomy table read in the car straight to a
Speaker 3: Scandal table read and she just sat there the whole time,
Speaker 3: was like, this is so interesting. Beckett, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: was like I got a scream right now, So she
Speaker 3: didn't get to jump much.
Speaker 1: Beer. I was just gonna say, those kids hearing Betsy
Speaker 1: Beers do the the stage directions probably low them into asleep. Right,
Speaker 1: It was like a lullab them.
Speaker 3: Yeah we should have. It was one of my most
Speaker 3: favorite thing ever, Betsy doing this the stage directions.
Speaker 5: I love that stage directions. Oh, she's the most. I've
Speaker 5: done so many table reads in my life, and there
Speaker 5: is nothing like a table.
Speaker 3: Okay. So I called season three the come hell or
Speaker 3: high Water season because it starts with saying that, and
Speaker 3: it basically ends with Papa Pope saying that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: And season three is where Carrie also was pregnant. In
Speaker 5: this season, Carrie was pregnant, Yeah, and I mean, bless
Speaker 5: her and completely different than me. I feel like I
Speaker 5: watched this season and I mean, you can you know
Speaker 5: she's in some lovely, incredible jackets with some incredible purses
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Handbags in the world, Yeah.
Speaker 4: The biggest handbags in the world.
Speaker 5: And she's behind a lamp or she's behind it whatever,
Speaker 5: which I mean only Kerrie Washington, like Quinn, you could
Speaker 5: have never hidden a freaking day of my pregnancy. But
Speaker 5: what what was like, do you remember making a decision.
Speaker 5: I'm just curious, like where Olivia like was not going
Speaker 5: to be pregnant, Like how did that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I knew from the beginning that Olivia Pope was not
Speaker 3: a person who wanted to have kids, do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? I feel like she had been so
Speaker 3: traumatized by her childhood, and I was like, we certainly
Speaker 3: can't be doing the season with Papa Pope and her pregnant,
Speaker 3: Like it was just two. It didn't make sense psychologically,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, we got to hide it.
Speaker 3: I was thrilled she was pregnant, celebrated it every time
Speaker 3: anybody got pregnant.
Speaker 4: But I was like, I know you did, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Care if she kind of looks like we just don't
Speaker 3: figure out how high and Tom Barica was amazing and
Speaker 3: hiding that pregnancy.
Speaker 5: Wow, I remember that that Olivia Pope, even in her creation,
Speaker 5: was someone that was that was not going to be
Speaker 5: That's not a character trait of her. She was not
Speaker 5: going to have a kid, which like, thankfully for Quinn,
Speaker 5: that was not the case for you.
Speaker 3: Quinn was very normal, which is so funny considering who
Speaker 3: Quinn sort of turns into but Quinn was very normal.
Speaker 5: But white picket fence kids the whole and this crazy
Speaker 5: job of pencil skirts. Okay, also in season three, I
Speaker 5: think for me it is the greatest guest starring cast.
Speaker 5: Like we have Leo Bergen in full effect, we have
Speaker 5: the Daniel Douglas murder. We have Lisaudre Andrew, we have Lisa,
Speaker 5: we have Sally Langston, we have Hollis Doyle back. Like
Speaker 5: it is like which guest star could get an Emmy
Speaker 5: because they were all just bringing their a game and
Speaker 5: were written the most credible characters. This is the season
Speaker 5: where James dies. Can you tell us anything about this
Speaker 5: was where we all realized, oh shit, none of us
Speaker 5: are safe and this is.
Speaker 3: The greatest job.
Speaker 1: But also he died in I mean he got the Emmy, right,
Speaker 1: maybe you want to get killed off?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah? No?
Speaker 5: Never How do you know, like, how do you know
Speaker 5: that this is something that happens? I remember you saying
Speaker 5: something like I'm the protector of the story and the
Speaker 5: keeper of like the characters, Like how do you know
Speaker 5: when something like that is gonna is the right move?
Speaker 3: I just know, I mean I don't know how to
Speaker 3: tell you why I know, I just know. Like I
Speaker 3: would go into the room and be like, okay, so
Speaker 3: James is going to die, and they the room was
Speaker 3: like what is wrong with you? Like Cyrus and James
Speaker 3: and Lovelah and they were going on, and I was like,
Speaker 3: it's the story, Like we're there now, like that's where
Speaker 3: we are in the story. Also, you know, I was
Speaker 3: actually with Dan Bukatinski this weekend.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, I saw a picture on Instagram.
Speaker 4: Yes, the world is crazy, okay, But we were.
Speaker 3: Talking, like Dan was talking to me and we ended
Speaker 3: up talking about the episode where he dies, and he
Speaker 3: talked about how emotional it made him just listening to
Speaker 3: Scott Fuley's speech, the whole thing, you know, where he
Speaker 3: sits next to him. It was it was great.
Speaker 5: Oh that ending is I mean, there are so many
Speaker 5: this season between Sally Langston's like yum yum, Piggy Yum yum. Chris,
Speaker 5: She's losing her mind, like the devil has taken over her.
Speaker 5: She feels like God isn't talking to her anymore because
Speaker 5: she's a murderer. Scott Jake Ballard is next to next
Speaker 5: to James as he's gurgling these last gurgles and he's like,
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry, this had to be so painful, but
Speaker 5: we had to make it look like it was, you know,
Speaker 5: a murder, and then I wasn't involved. I mean, it
Speaker 5: was just like yeah, oh h.
Speaker 4: But you just know when you know.
Speaker 5: You're like, nope, James is gonna die. That's it. It's
Speaker 5: the way that it has to go. And I and
Speaker 5: you have to how hard that is as your job
Speaker 5: that you have to make it not personal like you're
Speaker 5: friends with Dan.
Speaker 3: But that's why I'm the keeper of the story. Like
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't like, I can't take any of
Speaker 3: that in account because the world I'm protecting is the
Speaker 3: story world and I'm the only one protecting at one.
Speaker 3: That's my job. So I feel like you make these
Speaker 3: decisions and you make them completely outside of what you're doing.
Speaker 3: It's really hard. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: It's cutthroat. It's it's savage.
Speaker 3: It feels savage, but you have.
Speaker 1: To do it. But but you know, it makes the show.
Speaker 1: It made the show so much more exciting when that happened.
Speaker 1: I love when Dan was telling us the story that
Speaker 1: he was trying to pitch to you. A world where
Speaker 1: James would come back. He was like, well, if you
Speaker 1: don't see the.
Speaker 3: Body like we see it, it all happens, our life
Speaker 3: go out. It's bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He did a beautiful job with that. He did a
Speaker 3: beautiful job with that.
Speaker 5: He made me sob and it also gave you such
Speaker 5: juice to be like, you know, the following episode, we
Speaker 5: get to go back in time and we see why
Speaker 5: James and Cyrus fell in love and in all of
Speaker 5: these things.
Speaker 3: I love that episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 5: When you are working on a season, for your process,
Speaker 5: is it the kind of thing where, like the beginning
Speaker 5: of the season, you mapped out the season three arc,
Speaker 5: or you're still completely open to taking a total left
Speaker 5: turn when we're in episode nine, like.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to tell you we never knew anything,
Speaker 3: but but I mean, you never knew to But one
Speaker 3: of the things was is I when I wrote and
Speaker 3: I'm literally like when I wrote the speech for Papa
Speaker 3: Pope in that first episode where he's like you will
Speaker 3: get on that plane come hell and eye water and
Speaker 3: I'm the hell and high water. I wrote that and
Speaker 3: I knew in my head from that moment. I was like,
Speaker 3: so at the end of the season, she's getting on
Speaker 3: that plane, Like that was the one thing. I was like,
Speaker 3: that is the point of the season, So.
Speaker 5: You might have an end mark you had like an
Speaker 5: end I knew everything in.
Speaker 3: The Middlening too, Yeah, but like I didn't know we
Speaker 3: were gonna kill Jerry. I didn't know. I didn't know
Speaker 3: any of that stuff till till I knew it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I was like, what's going to
Speaker 3: get him elected? And it was that stuff, you.
Speaker 1: Know, savage, sad, brilliage, child, savage.
Speaker 3: But the room was so great because they by this
Speaker 3: time they had learned that, like that's what we were doing,
Speaker 3: like we were there was nothing too special, and so
Speaker 3: they would come in. I'd come in and they would
Speaker 3: pitch me like amazing crap, Like I don't remember who
Speaker 3: wrote Yung Young Chrispy Piggy Young Mum, but it's still
Speaker 3: one of the favorite things that someone wrote, and it
Speaker 3: was amazing.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 4: It's so amazing. But that's how I think it also, Lend,
Speaker 4: And I'm.
Speaker 5: Not sure if that's how your process has been with
Speaker 5: your other shows and the stories you tell, but I
Speaker 5: feel like you can feel that in Scandal, I think,
Speaker 5: what what lends itself to the to the OMG and
Speaker 5: the oh my god, and there is no there's no
Speaker 5: too far you can go in there and it is
Speaker 5: because you all, it wasn't so premeditated, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: It wasn't so pre planned that.
Speaker 5: You feel the like like this stress you feel it.
Speaker 3: But also I feel like it's so important to say
Speaker 3: a lot of that came from like you guys. I
Speaker 3: would write it. We would write it. You guys would
Speaker 3: perform it. Then I would watch it and I would
Speaker 3: go to the room and go, Okay, so here's what's
Speaker 3: going to happen next based on what I watched, not
Speaker 3: necessarily from anything else. It was how like I remember
Speaker 3: episode one, three oh one, he Joe Morton gives that
Speaker 3: amazing pop up Pope speech, you know where he talks
Speaker 3: about you know, being twice as good in that whole thing,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know how it was going to play
Speaker 3: the first time I saw it was on film, and
Speaker 3: I remember like one of the writers coming to the
Speaker 3: room and being like he just overacted that whole thing
Speaker 3: like you should. It's just crazy. It's like so overacted
Speaker 3: and then you see it on film and you're like, no,
Speaker 3: this is perfect, Like that's who that man is, and
Speaker 3: that he performed so much the rest of the season
Speaker 3: because that's the first time we saw him as a dad.
Speaker 5: When the first time I saw Joe Morton do that speech,
Speaker 5: I was like, what the hell, because it is you're
Speaker 5: not used to in TV. You're so used to like
Speaker 5: make everything really small. Yeah, and the camera is a
Speaker 5: the camera is a microscope, so everything needs to be
Speaker 5: subtle and like nuanced, and it's just behind the eyes.
Speaker 5: And then you see Joe Morton, one of the greatest
Speaker 5: actors in American history, just do a television scene like
Speaker 5: he's reaching a three thousand seat Broadway house and you're like,
Speaker 5: the writing could hold it, Like it was.
Speaker 4: That was what you could do it. It was like what, like,
Speaker 4: we're breaking all the rules that I was taught right
Speaker 4: exactly to do a television drama. Like it was like,
Speaker 4: let's just.
Speaker 3: Let everybody monologue. Yeah, we stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, having monologues at all is not a traditional television thing.
Speaker 4: Like I even seen that. It was crazy.
Speaker 3: I loved it. I was having so much fun. Season
Speaker 3: three is one of my favorites. It just it is.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely one of my favorite seasons.
Speaker 4: How did you know to kill a kid?
Speaker 5: Like what wasn't happening like the killing of Jerry When
Speaker 5: we get to the end of this season, I am like,
Speaker 5: what this is un incredible. It was incredible and it
Speaker 5: was the only thing that would work to get him elected.
Speaker 3: That was how he started. Like in my head, the
Speaker 3: thing I thought about that season was like that that
Speaker 3: amazing scene where Olivia and Cyrus are sitting on that
Speaker 3: bench in the hospital and Olivia says, he's gonna win now,
Speaker 3: He's absolutely gonna win, and Cyrus is like, I thought
Speaker 3: that too, and I was like, that to me was
Speaker 3: the ultimate political animal moment and really started from that,
Speaker 3: and also getting to have the kids on in the
Speaker 3: first place and seeing like what they meant in the
Speaker 3: world in their lives. It was it was cool.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was so so cool.
Speaker 1: You do something, which I love, Shonda, You'll let the
Speaker 1: actor know, like, oh my god, one else knows that
Speaker 1: you're going to kill them off.
Speaker 3: Whole thing to like just have some come to a table. Raad.
Speaker 3: We tried to trick Josh Moline into thinking he was
Speaker 3: going to die, but that that was the only time.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he freaking so fast. He caught it, right,
Speaker 1: he even get spooked. Yeah, he caught it. He's annoying,
Speaker 1: so annoying.
Speaker 5: And I love him, which brings me to one of
Speaker 5: our first questions. Of course, Ronia Diles wrote, my question
Speaker 5: is will there ever be a scandal movie or reboot
Speaker 5: of some sort. Many of us, myself included, feel like
Speaker 5: we need closure on olitz.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 1: This is a question that everyone asks, Like I'm constantly
Speaker 1: being asked. I'm like, asked, Sean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know the story's over, but I would reboot this
Speaker 3: show in a minute, because we had so much fun
Speaker 3: and it was so much fun to work with everybody,
Speaker 3: just to get the band back together. Like, I would
Speaker 3: reboot the show. But I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you're ever going to get closure on Olitz, Like
Speaker 3: what kind of closure do you think you want? I know,
Speaker 3: because there's no fairy tale happy ending. We made that
Speaker 3: very clear from the very beginning, and I think people
Speaker 3: want their fairy tale. It's part of why I thought
Speaker 3: about Bridgton. I was like, in Bridgerston, everybody gets a
Speaker 3: happy ending, Like let's let's say it's all wonderful. But
Speaker 3: in Scandal, I was like, no, this is not that world.
Speaker 4: No, it's a tragedy. I mean, Scandal really is like
Speaker 4: it's it's tough, but it is what it is.
Speaker 5: Speaking of getting their happy ending in season three is
Speaker 5: where we get the Vermont House.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a beautiful house.
Speaker 5: That house was so beautiful and that scene was so hot.
Speaker 5: I'm so uncomfortable. The only time I'm uncomfortable watching this
Speaker 5: show is like how close we all are and how
Speaker 5: I'll be watching the show and I'm like, damn, this
Speaker 5: is the hottest shit I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 5: Like there's Fits and Olivia just going at it on
Speaker 5: the rug of this beautiful violin and the fireplace is
Speaker 5: going and how does Fitz's body look like that? And
Speaker 5: how does look And then I'm like, these are my friends.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is Irry and this is Tony. These
Speaker 5: are people I know very well and I know their
Speaker 5: significant others, and this is like weird.
Speaker 4: Weird, so bizarre.
Speaker 3: Episode. That's the episode that Avid Verney directed.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. She was amazing.
Speaker 4: She did an amazing job.
Speaker 5: And before she had I remember sitting with her and
Speaker 5: talking to her Selma.
Speaker 3: It was before anything, it was before anything. No, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't let her, No, they would let her direct an
Speaker 3: episode of television. She'd want all these film festivals. A
Speaker 3: guy would have gotten one hundred million dollar picture off
Speaker 3: of it, but they were like, we don't know, we
Speaker 3: don't know. And scandal. We had this thing where we
Speaker 3: hired the directors we wanted to, and I was like,
Speaker 3: Tom's here. If there's anything goes around, Tom's here. And
Speaker 3: so they wouldn't tell us and we couldn't, could't, coudn't hire,
Speaker 3: which is how we got a lot of women directors
Speaker 3: on that show.
Speaker 4: Oh it was the best.
Speaker 3: Love, that was the best. I'm the proudest of that.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have gotten to work with her more.
Speaker 1: I think we worked with her just a couple of days, right,
Speaker 1: Katie like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we didn't have big storylines during her episode, but
Speaker 5: I'll never forget sitting there she was and her being like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a publicist for a while.
Speaker 5: And then I made this movie and it did really
Speaker 5: well at sun Dance, and I'm a filmmaker and da
Speaker 5: da da dah.
Speaker 4: But this is the first time I ever done TV.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to do this movie called.
Speaker 5: Selma, And I was like, I am catching this woman
Speaker 5: on the upswing of of changing the world.
Speaker 4: Like she is going to.
Speaker 3: She's incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 1: So there's another We have another question, a question from Mariah, Yes,
Speaker 1: a burning from Mariah Smith, and she says, what was
Speaker 1: your thought process in bringing in a character that most
Speaker 1: believe was supposed to come in between O lists?
Speaker 3: He was we're talking about Scott right, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, yeah, yeah. My thought process was simple,
Speaker 3: like I we needed somebody like that, you know, we
Speaker 3: needed that sort of spookiness, and I thought that that
Speaker 3: was powerful and important to have, Like you wanted this
Speaker 3: guy who the audience was like, no, yes, no, is
Speaker 3: he evil? Is he not evil? And I remember scoffing,
Speaker 3: like everybody hates me. Everybody hates my character.
Speaker 1: Because it's good.
Speaker 3: It's really good. And then just if you skip back,
Speaker 3: I wrote a monologue for him in season four which
Speaker 3: we sat together and watched while live tweeting, and I
Speaker 3: was like, just watch the tweets because once this monologue
Speaker 3: is over, the audience is going to turn. And we
Speaker 3: literally watched the audience turn from hating him to loving
Speaker 3: it in like a monologue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, no way.
Speaker 3: It was the one where he thought he was going
Speaker 3: to die and he's sitting in that prison he's been
Speaker 3: beaten up by Fits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I guess.
Speaker 5: I guess the audience was like, how how dare you
Speaker 5: bring in somebody that would ever come between Olivia.
Speaker 4: Well, they were guys.
Speaker 3: They were very loyal, and I love that they were
Speaker 3: very loyal to Fits in Olivia. But I was like,
Speaker 3: we have taken time to deconstruct Fits in Olivia for you.
Speaker 3: You got to fall in love with him the way
Speaker 3: she did, and then you got to learn the realities
Speaker 3: of him, and yeah, you know, he's a complicated personal love.
Speaker 3: But I also just wanted her to have some choice
Speaker 3: and I wanted Fits. I wanted Fits to have like
Speaker 3: somebody to be up against too.
Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah, oh we all do.
Speaker 5: I does love that, right, Like, yeah, I love love triangle.
Speaker 4: When there's one woman and two men, I.
Speaker 1: Think it keeps everybody.
Speaker 3: It was this weird expansion of Papa Pope's family because
Speaker 3: you know, you know, Jake was one of his sons. Yeah,
Speaker 3: his sons, and so we needed this weird it was
Speaker 3: a weird brother sister relationship too.
Speaker 5: Before we get to our last question, and then I
Speaker 5: know you have to go because we've got bridgert In
Speaker 5: coming out and there's a lot of press to be done.
Speaker 5: When did you guys decide? Because it's in this season
Speaker 5: also that Huck and Quinn romantically get involved.
Speaker 3: They weren't interesting. I mean, like I talked about you
Speaker 3: like you're not here, but those characters were so interesting
Speaker 3: to watch yolo is that episode with the with the
Speaker 3: teeth pulling and all that. I just I just loved
Speaker 3: it so much and I and getting those characters together
Speaker 3: was this weird function of that dysfunction, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Like it was also how they became sort
Speaker 3: of equals because before that Quinn had been like his puppy,
Speaker 3: right yeah, and after that they they were really unequal
Speaker 3: footing so much the time, so much that Quinn could
Speaker 3: challenge Hawk, which I thought was great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, who is nasty enough in the writer's room. You
Speaker 5: don't have to doubt them to be like this is
Speaker 5: when he licks her cheek and this is when she
Speaker 5: licks his face, Like what is even going on? I'm
Speaker 5: watching it and I and I don't really remember doing it.
Speaker 4: I'm so into it and I'm just like, wow.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I remember the day you licked me.
Speaker 1: I remember that because we were shooting at Hollywood Cemetery.
Speaker 4: Remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we just watched that and we had Debbie Allen.
Speaker 5: Debbie Allen, she directed the episode where we have sex
Speaker 5: on a car.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I was so complimented.
Speaker 5: She is one of my all time favorite directors of
Speaker 5: all time. But I just she made me feel so
Speaker 5: comfortable and confident because Quinn has to be really sexy,
Speaker 5: and I'm that's probably the one thing I am as
Speaker 5: an actress. Just like, oh god, oh god, I want
Speaker 5: to crawl on my skin.
Speaker 4: I'm suf ear those scenes.
Speaker 3: Those scenes were so sexy. And here's the deal, Like,
Speaker 3: I remember the one sex scene I wrote other you know,
Speaker 3: like between characters who weren't fits and live. The one
Speaker 3: sex scene I wrote was the one where Abby sticks
Speaker 3: her fingers and oh so good and I and I
Speaker 3: wrote it. I was like, I just wrote it because
Speaker 3: it felt weird and it felt like what Abby would do.
Speaker 3: I don't know who wrote the licking. I don't, but
Speaker 3: I loved it and I was like, let's let's see
Speaker 3: and you know me, I'm never gonna be like the
Speaker 3: characters have to band clothed, like you guys could have
Speaker 3: done that scene fully clothed. And the licking itself, what's
Speaker 3: the sexy part? That's what was interesting. He didn't require
Speaker 3: any nudity, It didn't require any anything.
Speaker 5: No, no, he just we were fully closed, which we
Speaker 5: were very appreciative about. We also had long conversation Shanda,
Speaker 5: which the people know about we've talked about it before
Speaker 5: in the podcast, but G and I had long conversations
Speaker 5: where we were like, we will not make out like
Speaker 5: fits and Olivia. We are not movie stars. We are weirdos.
Speaker 5: And the pain and pleasure threshold is very confused. Yes,
Speaker 5: and so you know, there weren't intimacy coordinators at the time,
Speaker 5: but it would have been like, Okay, there's probably gonna
Speaker 5: be like tongue, which is like not really allowed in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And god, we were like best It helped that you
Speaker 3: guys were best friends and it made it okay. But yeah, coordinators.
Speaker 3: Intimacy coordinators came later, and then once we had them,
Speaker 3: that's when I started being like I remember Carrie saying,
Speaker 3: like can can Scott and I just choreographed this this
Speaker 3: sex scene ourselves with the intimacy coordinator. I was like, great,
Speaker 3: Like here's what I want from it, knock yourselves out.
Speaker 3: And so that's when we started letting you guys choreograph
Speaker 3: your own sex scenes with the coordinator. So that I
Speaker 3: was like, this is perfect because then everybody really feels comfortable, right.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we felt so taken care of it.
Speaker 4: Again. I mean, Debbie was She's like, yeah, she's the best.
Speaker 5: And she just made me feel like she was just
Speaker 5: like you look good, Like she just was like really complimentary,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh my god, I feel kind
Speaker 5: of cute, Like, thank god for Debbie Allen Lucky.
Speaker 3: You are cute.
Speaker 4: Okay, Gene, thank you Okay gee. Last question?
Speaker 3: Is this really?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Is this really it? We're like, this is a fast conversation. Wow,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: This is go go g This is a question. This
Speaker 1: is from Denise Steine. Another burning question. She says, I've
Speaker 1: been curious for years who was the funniest to write
Speaker 1: dialogue for? Sally or Hollis. Both such interesting characters in
Speaker 1: their own ways and have great one line.
Speaker 3: You know, Hollis was really fun to write for, but
Speaker 3: for me, Uh, it was Sally. And the reason why
Speaker 3: it was Sally was she took herself so seriously, like
Speaker 3: Hollis was always like in on the joke, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, But she took herself so seriously, and
Speaker 3: then to give her these lines like it's not in
Speaker 3: God's plan that I lose Ohio, like those kinds of things.
Speaker 3: She was so serious. I mean even when she was
Speaker 3: spitting young young Chrispy Piking like she's She was so
Speaker 3: much fun to write for because she was deeply committed
Speaker 3: and shook everything. Like her idea of politics was that
Speaker 3: it was like the foundation of life. So she took
Speaker 3: it all so so seriously was great.
Speaker 1: Which is so scary.
Speaker 5: It was almost like she was like God had told her,
Speaker 5: you know, like she was supposed to be there like
Speaker 5: a king or queen, you know, like really right.
Speaker 3: She played it that way, like literally like I am
Speaker 3: here because God says this is where I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 3: And so she played it so brilliantly crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh she did.
Speaker 5: And Leo Bergen is one of my all time favorite characters.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the entire.
Speaker 5: Scandal verse, and this is the season where the church
Speaker 5: blows up and he rips Sally's shirt off and rubs
Speaker 5: some dirt.
Speaker 4: Go go.
Speaker 3: He's like, be Jesus, Sally, go be Jesus. That he
Speaker 3: was also great to write for, but you know, he
Speaker 3: was from private practice, so I've been writing for him
Speaker 3: forever and love working with him. So but it was
Speaker 3: really fun to see him come in as this like
Speaker 3: totally different guy, and he played it so hard and
Speaker 3: like so seriously. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1: He's so good.
Speaker 5: Oh, Shanda, you are the Is there anything else we
Speaker 5: have not talked about?
Speaker 4: In season three? Before you have to go to your bridge,
Speaker 4: you didn't.
Speaker 3: Talk about the fact that this is the this is
Speaker 3: the episode. This is the season where you introduced to
Speaker 3: his family.
Speaker 4: At the end, Oh, Quinn, do that you were so mad?
Speaker 3: Yep? That season was also that final episode is also
Speaker 3: Columbus shorts last episode, remember, because he was the one
Speaker 3: who figured it all out. He was the one who
Speaker 3: went to po and figured it all out. So it
Speaker 3: was there were a lot of big things that happened
Speaker 3: this season. That season was filled with these very very
Speaker 3: big moments.
Speaker 5: And speaking of Harrison, right, I think this is actually
Speaker 5: a really good time to share some very special news
Speaker 5: with the listeners. Yeah, g and I, we had a
Speaker 5: beautiful reunion with Columbus Short and we recorded an entire
Speaker 5: episode together.
Speaker 4: That really just it covers a lot.
Speaker 5: Of ground about his time on the show, and we're
Speaker 5: going to be dropping that conversation in a few weeks,
Speaker 5: So definitely, gladiators and listeners keep an eye out on
Speaker 5: our socials for the official release date of that episode.
Speaker 1: So Seanda, of course, you know that we had Columbus
Speaker 1: on the podcast. How what did you think? How was it?
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved hearing it. I mean, honestly, you guys
Speaker 3: spend a lot more time talking about Britney spirits than
Speaker 3: you should have, but it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, that's something we all have in common.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. He's something we all have in common.
Speaker 3: But what I really loved was just hearing him be
Speaker 3: so open and brutally honest about that period of time
Speaker 3: in his life. It was really beautiful to hear. And
Speaker 3: I always have a special love for Columbus, you know,
Speaker 3: because he's such a talented actor and it hurts so much,
Speaker 3: but it was so brilliant. His time on the show
Speaker 3: is so brilliant.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Harrison is unforgettable.
Speaker 5: He's unforgettable, and he's like always how I feel when
Speaker 5: I watch the show back. I'm like, he's like the gladiator,
Speaker 5: Like that's how I feel, like a gladiator in a suit.
Speaker 4: He's that.
Speaker 3: He was that, he was the gladiator in a suit
Speaker 3: who taught everybody else, like you know, he's teaching Quinn
Speaker 3: the ropes. It was he was great and I thought,
Speaker 3: like his his podcast, it's one to listen to because
Speaker 3: it's just amazing.
Speaker 1: Good yeah, good good.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your support means the world, and I mean we
Speaker 5: were really happy to have the platform to do it
Speaker 5: and that he was game and.
Speaker 3: That was an amazing and I'm really proud of him circle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm proud of him for taking that opportunity to me too.
Speaker 3: You guys are bold, but he was brave, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he came in with humility, yes, Like he was
Speaker 1: open and it was just lovely. Yeah. It was really
Speaker 1: nice to see him like that.
Speaker 4: Season three was gonna bug you. For season four, we are.
Speaker 3: Whenever you want to. I love talking about the show
Speaker 3: and I love talking to you guys. Seriously, you can
Speaker 3: just be like something I'm happy to do.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. I love you so much.
Speaker 4: Best of luck.
Speaker 5: I will I know what I'm doing this weekend, and
Speaker 5: at the time that this airs, everyone will have already
Speaker 5: seen Bridgerton and is obsessed with it, and the Bridgerton
Speaker 5: fandom will continue on. But we love you and thank
Speaker 5: you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: To the podcast. We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 4: So it was awesome to have Shonda.
Speaker 1: On so great.
Speaker 4: We love you, Shonda, We you Shonda Rhimes.
Speaker 5: And now we're gonna break break break down this episode
Speaker 5: three oh eight, Vermon Is for Lovers Too.
Speaker 1: You better tell somebody, you.
Speaker 4: Better tell somebody, you better don't tell you. I love
Speaker 4: this episode.
Speaker 2: It is a.
Speaker 5: Steamy, steamy, steamy episode. Yes, sex o rama. Okay, this
Speaker 5: episode really was special for me. It's episode three oh
Speaker 5: eight called Vermont Is for Lovers Too. It aired on
Speaker 5: November twenty first, twenty thirteen, and it.
Speaker 1: Was written by Mark Wilding and directed by the wonderful
Speaker 1: Ava DuVernay.
Speaker 5: Guest starring Candy Alexander Asmya Lewis, Lisa Kudro is Congresswoman
Speaker 5: Josie Marcus, Jack Coleman is, Daniel Douglas Langston.
Speaker 1: Brian Lesher is Tom Sally Pressman as Candace Marcus, Sharmila
Speaker 1: Davar is Lauren Wellman, and Ivar Broger as Doctor.
Speaker 5: The synopsis to remind you, the OPA team gets closer
Speaker 5: to nailing down the security guard killer as Fits and
Speaker 5: Olivia do a little nailing of their own.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Cyrus has a plan to take down Sally Langston.
Speaker 1: All it involves is pimping out his own husband to
Speaker 1: Daniel Douglass. Things comes to an epic climax after Maya
Speaker 1: Pope escapes from her cell and shows up at Olivia's doorstep.
Speaker 5: Okay, so many things in this episode. First, you're all
Speaker 5: gonna remember this, Maya choose her own fucking risk.
Speaker 1: That's my fist disgusting, disgusting, even for me, who is
Speaker 1: a huge horror fan. Disgusting and savage, Who the fuck
Speaker 1: she chewed her wrists off?
Speaker 3: Who wrote this?
Speaker 1: Mark Wilding?
Speaker 5: She's been in jail for twenty years and it's on
Speaker 5: her back, thank god. And you just hear blood and
Speaker 5: gnawing and bone and snapping blood and snapping of ligaments
Speaker 5: and disgusting sounds, and you realize what she's doing is
Speaker 5: that she's chewing her own wrist off. So that she
Speaker 5: can essentially try to commit suicide to get her out
Speaker 5: of the cell, and the doctor so grossly says, yeah,
Speaker 5: this girl's.
Speaker 4: Out of her mind.
Speaker 5: Because we've had people be able to make it to
Speaker 5: like level one on your own wrists off and pass out.
Speaker 4: She'd made it all the way through to the most
Speaker 4: major arteries, Like this bitch is correct.
Speaker 1: She is a Maya pope.
Speaker 4: That was disgusting.
Speaker 5: The other huge, huge, like winning scenes of this episode,
Speaker 5: I mean the biggest. I must have written one thousand
Speaker 5: notes about Tony Goldwin's.
Speaker 1: But I know, listen and one of the I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a character that is not a human in
Speaker 1: this episode that is such a standout and so beautiful
Speaker 1: and so epic, And it's the Vermont Home. Oh when
Speaker 1: we see this episode is.
Speaker 5: Where Fits says, please, I needed time, and she gets
Speaker 5: in this private plane and I guess it takes one second.
Speaker 4: To fly from DC to Vermont. And he walks into
Speaker 4: this house and there's like, you know, sheets.
Speaker 6: On furniture, furniture, but the fires going into the most
Speaker 6: beautiful laid stonework fireplace in these vaulted wooden ceilings and
Speaker 6: it looks like they're in the most bucolic landscape scene,
Speaker 6: and he says, I bought it for us.
Speaker 4: I wanted you to see it one time before I
Speaker 4: sell it.
Speaker 1: I kind of broke down in that part when he
Speaker 1: says that and that love scene, the way that love
Speaker 1: scene was shot beautiful killed that ava.
Speaker 5: The sex scene and Tony Goldwin's bad, that's unheard of.
Speaker 5: I don't understand his watch the man thick placement of
Speaker 5: the manscaping.
Speaker 1: Hand, yes, and just the waist and that that sort
Speaker 1: of like V shape down such.
Speaker 5: A V shape that is something genetic. And he's eating
Speaker 5: baby's blood.
Speaker 1: Vampire ship in the middles blood. I think that's what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: It's the most epic sex scene. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 5: They're just like on the floor. They're all over this
Speaker 5: Vermont house. And where did you hear where this house
Speaker 5: was shot? Because I loved like where in La Ladies?
Speaker 5: And how much does it come?
Speaker 1: I've shot in this house. I have a scene in
Speaker 1: front of that fireplace with Darby, and I have a
Speaker 1: scene on the chair. You weren't there for that.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a watch.
Speaker 4: Let's get to that season.
Speaker 1: In that episode, Yeah, there was a I remember Carrie
Speaker 1: telling me that, oh my god, Jamie Fox lived like
Speaker 1: right up the hill, and there was a day that
Speaker 1: they were shooting in the house and Jamie was having
Speaker 1: like a big old party and Carrie called Jamie to
Speaker 1: be like, Jamie, can you just turn down music a
Speaker 1: little bit because we're filming? And he totally did. Isn't
Speaker 1: that creepy? Oh my ye.
Speaker 4: A good yes, that is absolutely hilarious, And so Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that Candy Alexander is is
Speaker 1: very much in this episode, and obviously she has that
Speaker 1: crazy scene chewing off at risk. She has the wonderful
Speaker 1: scenes with in the hospital where Eli Pope is showing
Speaker 1: her pictures of Olivia because she, again, like Katie said,
Speaker 1: she's been in prison for twenty years, right, so she
Speaker 1: doesn't even know what her daughter looks like when she
Speaker 1: was a teenager and as an adult. But a fun
Speaker 1: fact about Candy Alexander is that she was a choreographer
Speaker 1: and she choreographed Whitney Houston's world tours from like nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight to nineteen ninety two. Gosh, which I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I didn't know that about her.
Speaker 4: Are you like I need to YouTube videos of Candy Alexander.
Speaker 1: Dance like, I'm sure you can. I'm sure you can.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 5: Somebody definitely says QR five facial recognition software in this
Speaker 5: episode it's Jake, and I love it so much, Like
Speaker 5: what is QR five facial recognition software? And how many
Speaker 5: times did you say it on Scandal? Because I think
Speaker 5: I said it seventy five hundred times.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure I've said it a ton. Something
Speaker 1: else that's stuck out for me in this episode is
Speaker 1: when James mentions Ella's Ella's poop law and I was like,
Speaker 1: is this laz, That's some straight hell bullshit. Y'all keep
Speaker 1: flogs of your babies.
Speaker 4: That's poop blog?
Speaker 1: Is that a real thing? Just to be like her
Speaker 1: poop today was like solid and sort of like brown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you right down.
Speaker 5: Well, because if the baby is really little, when you
Speaker 5: go to the pediatrician, they ask you like how many
Speaker 5: times have they pooped impede in the day, because it's
Speaker 5: the only way to tell are they getting enough calories?
Speaker 4: Are they hating weight?
Speaker 5: And are they not like dehydrated? And is their body
Speaker 5: like up online? Also, I used to have a pooplog
Speaker 5: because yourself.
Speaker 2: Not for Adam.
Speaker 1: Adam, you had a pooplog for Adam.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine Adam.
Speaker 5: No for my baby, because if you had child's care,
Speaker 5: you would keep a log so that she could, like,
Speaker 5: when I got home from the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it would be written down if the kid went to
Speaker 5: the bathroom, because I could get home. She might have left,
Speaker 5: and the baby could be super cranky and you might
Speaker 5: not know why. You like, look at the poop log
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh my god, she hasn't gone to
Speaker 5: the bathroom, but all today she might have a really
Speaker 5: bad gas and maybe she needs medicine or like whatever.
Speaker 5: So that's that straight ass poop blog bullshit.
Speaker 4: I wrote that down to you though.
Speaker 5: This is also the episode where Cyrus sets has been
Speaker 5: setting up, setting up, setting up for Daniel Douglas and
Speaker 5: James to have an affair. Yes, Cyrus is so convinced
Speaker 5: that when it when push comes to shove, James won't
Speaker 5: do it because he's not like fits, and it ends
Speaker 5: up happening. He goes to Daniel Douglas's house and he
Speaker 5: starts to realize and put together that Cyrus has set
Speaker 5: this whole thing up, and he's so upset and James,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Dan m does such an amazing job,
Speaker 5: and they end up hooking up and having sex, and
Speaker 5: then Cyrus is waiting at home for them, and and
Speaker 5: then James has all these lines that are like, you know,
Speaker 5: innuendos that he did it on the.
Speaker 1: Saddle, Well, I'm just back on the saddle again to
Speaker 1: this ally it does.
Speaker 4: And then he said something like yeah, you really opened
Speaker 4: me up.
Speaker 1: Yes, I really opened him up.
Speaker 4: Or something like that.
Speaker 5: And then he's like, Okay, come to bed, honey, and
Speaker 5: he's like, no, I'm going to take a shower. Don't wait,
Speaker 5: and he says, I love don't wait up for you,
Speaker 5: and he says, I love you. And then we see
Speaker 5: Cyrus open up his cell phone and he gets the document,
Speaker 5: like the actual proof of photos of them.
Speaker 4: He's mortifies and hooking up.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 5: And what's so crazy is that at this time when
Speaker 5: we were making this episode, I didn't know, none of
Speaker 5: us knew that this was going to be the thing
Speaker 5: that leads James.
Speaker 1: To his death. Oh my god, yeah, and Daniel Douglas and.
Speaker 5: Daniel Douglas, everybody dies, Cyrus fall so good, so good.
Speaker 1: I love I love the moment where between Quinn and
Speaker 1: Huck were Huck and this I love that this In
Speaker 1: this episode, Quinn is trying to hide the fact that
Speaker 1: she killed that security guard. Right, Oh, yeah, she killed
Speaker 1: the security guard, but she's trying to hide that end.
Speaker 5: This is the episode where she's trying to get the
Speaker 5: information before you do.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, and the whole Opia team is like working
Speaker 1: hard to get the picture of that woman with that
Speaker 1: pencil and killed the security guard.
Speaker 5: And Quinn's like shit happy says that shitty pencils, skirt
Speaker 5: and those dumpy heels.
Speaker 1: But there's a moment where Quinn goes into Huck's office
Speaker 1: and Huck is like, hey, you do a really good job.
Speaker 1: You do a really good job at what you do,
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I don't tell you enough
Speaker 1: and I love that. I love that. But then Quinn
Speaker 1: is like then.
Speaker 5: The episode is and Quinn comes into her apartment and
Speaker 5: she has her spiding senses up and she's like Huck
Speaker 5: and he's waiting, Oh, there's a folder on the floor,
Speaker 5: and she picks up the folder and it's a close
Speaker 5: up shot of her in the building that killed the
Speaker 5: security office and Huck is waiting there with the tarp
Speaker 5: and the tool.
Speaker 1: And the tool.
Speaker 4: Row.
Speaker 1: I remember shooting in that, in that in Quinn's apartment.
Speaker 1: Whenever we shot in Quinn's apartment, it was always like
Speaker 1: a really intense scene, like a really good, juicy, intense
Speaker 1: dark scene. It was always exciting shooting there. And it
Speaker 1: was on the stages at Centic Hour.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was on the stages. Okay, Giirmo. Six Degrees
Speaker 4: of Horror?
Speaker 5: Was there anything in this app If you look on
Speaker 5: your notes, I don't know these movies.
Speaker 1: Well listen, Yeah, there was a lot of horror, and
Speaker 1: it was in the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kenny Alexander was in Firstborn in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 5: A pregnant couple buys a mansion and moves out of NYC.
Speaker 5: Strange things start happening to the c sectioned anxious new moment.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Firstborn?
Speaker 1: I have not seen that. Can you believe it?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: A horror movie exists that Giermo Diaz has not seen?
Speaker 1: And then Terminal.
Speaker 4: Also I will never.
Speaker 5: Watch these movies, but also I kind of love it.
Speaker 5: And also this episode was a horror thing in and
Speaker 5: of its own. We had to watch a woman eat
Speaker 5: her own wrist off, which was absolutely yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Fun fact for this episode, it's like, this is a lot.
Speaker 5: But the compound that's in Quinn's syringe, which they name,
Speaker 5: it's called bachelor and toxin, the effective dose that actually
Speaker 5: would kill someone around that dude's weight would have had
Speaker 5: to have been three pounds of liquid shit. So there's
Speaker 5: no way that that that they named in the episode
Speaker 5: could have killed that guy. But like whatever, oh my god,
Speaker 5: Scandal tweets at the time, this one's.
Speaker 4: Away at Luck.
Speaker 5: You mean it, wrote Quinn, You dumb bitch. Why would
Speaker 5: you ever trust Charlie?
Speaker 1: Hashtags game, love it go dogs tweeted back at back
Speaker 1: at Mo. Miriam She tweeted, oh my god, just saw
Speaker 1: last night's Scandal episode. Quinn finally about to die? Get
Speaker 1: her ass, Huck? Oh shit, what all this drama with Quinn?
Speaker 2: All this?
Speaker 1: Like all this Quinn?
Speaker 5: I love it at far dus of ninety two tweeted,
Speaker 5: you believe he's killed your mother, but you forgive him
Speaker 5: because he got you a house.
Speaker 4: Olivia is something else so true?
Speaker 1: Tait potait Ho tweeted, are you a side chick if
Speaker 1: you get picked up by a helicopter to stay in
Speaker 1: a posh mansion. Hashtag scandal. Olivia Pope got me wanting
Speaker 1: to be a side chick.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.
Speaker 5: At Angel Rene thirteen tweeted, Melly is the side chick
Speaker 5: and she knows it hashtag scandal.
Speaker 4: I'm not true.
Speaker 1: Scandal Possessed tweeted hashtag scandal. A Scandal crew can have
Speaker 1: just one well lit, oh litz love scene before the
Speaker 1: show is over. It's hard out here for a fangirl
Speaker 1: editing pics. Oh my god, so she's saying she wants
Speaker 1: to flighting to be brighter so she could edit a
Speaker 1: good fucking picture.
Speaker 4: Just really focus on Tony Goldwin's yes. Oh look at
Speaker 4: this shot.
Speaker 5: This is with a picture at ohso brand New tweeted,
Speaker 5: Olivia Pope be like, oh, I thought you said throw
Speaker 5: it back Thursday hashtag scandal. And it's definitely a very
Speaker 5: saucy photo of Fitzgerald Grant behind Olivia Pope without their
Speaker 5: clothing on.
Speaker 1: And it looks like there's some on panky panky.
Speaker 4: Hanky panky back position going okay.
Speaker 1: Felicia tweeted, why y'all ain't warm me about this lady
Speaker 1: eating her arms on Scandal. I was eating sorry about that, Felicia, I.
Speaker 5: Know same at Smiley Stylist tweeted, I just had a
Speaker 5: whole body shaking flashback to last night's hashtag scandal at
Speaker 5: ave et cetera. Plus shonder rhymes have me shook. I
Speaker 5: still hear the chewy And guess what next episode is?
Speaker 5: All y'all who our Quinn haters are going to get
Speaker 5: what you need because the next episode is three o
Speaker 5: nine and it's called Yola Yolo Yolo.
Speaker 4: Quinn's about to Quin's about tua.
Speaker 1: Quinn's about to go to the dentist. She about to
Speaker 1: go to the dentist.
Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 5: So, if you guys want to hear all about how
Speaker 5: much you hated Quinn and make sure that she gets
Speaker 5: her shit tortured real bad, come listen to next week's
Speaker 5: episode of Unpacking the Toolbox, a Scanalal rewatch podcast for
Speaker 5: episode three oh nine titled.
Speaker 1: Yo Quinn's gonna check her yuck mouth. Maybe she just
Speaker 1: got a yuck mouth.
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