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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 2: The sand Watch, Yaz and Katie Wells.

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Speaker 1: We do this stream of consciousness thing sometimes randomly for

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Speaker 1: episodes of Unpacking the Toolbox. We learned it from the

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Speaker 1: lovely Hanna Simone because we did a crossover episode on

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Speaker 1: her New Girl podcast and she did ours, and she

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Speaker 1: did this freaking fun ass thing where she just she

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Speaker 1: was like, I did a stream of consciouness consciousness while

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Speaker 1: I was watching the episode, and she just wrote down

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Speaker 1: what popped into her head while she was watching the episode,

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Speaker 1: and me and Katie fell in love with it. And

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Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm doing it about a

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Speaker 1: person and not an episode. So but also like reading

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Speaker 1: it back Katie, I was like, this is giving me poem.

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Speaker 1: Also like I did stream of consciousness. But then there's like,

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Speaker 1: are you a poem?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing? You're upsella Alan Ginsberg? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Look at all right?

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Speaker 1: So here goes Shonda Rhimes. A collector, an observer, a

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Speaker 1: watcher of lives, of minds, of things good and bad,

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Speaker 1: A quiet human, a quiet soul. I have never met

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Speaker 1: a more quiet woman with the loudest mind and the

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Speaker 1: loudest brain, and with the bestest skill to weave those

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Speaker 1: collections she collects into stories that mesmerize us, that move us,

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Speaker 1: that make us stand by the coolers at work and

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Speaker 1: chatter with our friends and even foes about what we

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Speaker 1: watched the night before and what we'll watch on Thursday

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Speaker 1: at night after four That Thursday stuff changed my life.

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Speaker 1: She took a chance on me and shined the light

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Speaker 1: on my quietness, on my weirdness, and turned it into

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Speaker 1: a character. Or rather, she created this character and then

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Speaker 1: chose me to play it, and I melted into him. Shonda,

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Speaker 1: I have never felt more intimidated by someone in my life.

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Speaker 1: But that is only because I want to do good

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Speaker 1: by you, by your brilliance, your words, from miks see

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Speaker 1: Me and McDreamy to Olitz and o'lake and finally, with

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Speaker 1: the win of Huckleberry Quinn, from you, so much more

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Speaker 1: to come out there for the take.

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Speaker 4: That's it, my godde hotter.

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Speaker 5: As if you couldn't be cooler or hotter, or more

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Speaker 5: interesting or more just the best human I've ever known.

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Speaker 5: You're also a brilliant poet. Is everyone losing their minds.

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Speaker 4: I'm losing my mind right now.

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Speaker 5: Also, Seawanna is definitely listening to this episode and you

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Speaker 5: will definitely hear it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good, good, good good.

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Speaker 5: That was so beautiful. I mean, our listeners are Yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Is the one and only Shonda Rhymes.

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Speaker 1: The queen, the one and only, and she is.

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Speaker 5: The creator of Huckleberry Quinn, the creator of Our Baby

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Speaker 5: or Hawk like the Hook is one of the best

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm so lucky. We're so lucky to

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Speaker 1: play these characters. She's also the queen of like all

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Speaker 1: these stands right like oh late golits like mc steemy, McDreamy,

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Speaker 1: all like all these like oh my nicknames that we've

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Speaker 1: This is the woman that created these people, like these

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Speaker 5: And these relationships that people are just like obsessed with.

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Speaker 5: It's just so and season three, you know, I'm so

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Speaker 5: I feel like this was where scandal is scandal, you

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Speaker 5: by season three, we were just like a fucking winning horse.

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Speaker 4: Just do you like my horse metaphor? Right now? I

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Speaker 4: don't know where working, but you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is the season where you felt like,

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Speaker 4: Us were dead.

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Speaker 5: Jerry Graham dead, fucking James Novak dead dead. Oh that

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Speaker 5: hot girl that looks like Marika dead dead?

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Speaker 1: Also dead, like, oh oh.

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Speaker 5: remember that hot B six thirteen girl? She looked just

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Speaker 4: They could be sisters or something?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, everyone, this episode is so great. But before

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Speaker 5: G and I break down episode three eight, which is

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Speaker 5: a personal fave of mine, we have an amazing, amazing guest.

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Speaker 5: She's Bridgerton, She's Queen Charlotte, she is Gray's Anatomy, she's

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Speaker 5: private practice, she's how to get and she's Scandal.

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Speaker 4: You guys know who it is the one to know.

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Speaker 1: That Shonda wh our Queen Bee.

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Speaker 4: It's seander Ess.

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Speaker 5: But we are at the time of this recording talking

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Speaker 5: to her the day of the Bridgerton season three release.

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Speaker 5: How is it feeling? Are we excited talk to us

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Speaker 5: about Bridgerton?

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Speaker 3: It's feeling good, you know what I was thinking, like,

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Speaker 3: this is the season three release and I'm here to

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Speaker 3: talk about season three Scandal.

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Speaker 5: Shaanna doesn't do short shows like just so everyone knows,

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Speaker 5: even though it's funny, like Queen Charlotte was obviously a

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Speaker 5: mini series. Inventing Anna was a miniseriies that I got

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Speaker 4: So Bridgerton in season three? Does it feel new still?

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Speaker 3: now from Scandal when our Scandal writer's running the show,

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Speaker 3: and so it's got like a fresh take and it's

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Speaker 1: That's so exciting.

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Speaker 5: What can we can you tease anything as a massive

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Speaker 3: I could see nothing except you're really gonna love it.

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Speaker 3: It's a very sexy season and Lady Whistledown gets her due.

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Speaker 5: Oh you know what I'll be doing all weekend, We'll

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Speaker 5: So take us through season three of Scandal. Gladiators was

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Speaker 5: the Juggernaut season.

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Speaker 1: It's such a great season. I mean, major characters die,

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Speaker 5: Do you remember, Seana, Like, what did your days at

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Speaker 5: this point? Like, okay, Gray's is obviously the Juggernaut. Now

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Speaker 3: Well, we also had we also had had to get

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was all this, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was like the very beginning of it.

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Speaker 5: I think, right, yeah, my gosh, what was your day

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Speaker 3: I feel like I was running around, like running around

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Speaker 3: You always wonder why I was never like sitting on set.

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Speaker 3: I was like, do you I didn't have time for

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I remember you. You sat on set

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Speaker 1: with Betsy Beers during the pilot and that was probably

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Speaker 3: Until me did the finale, until he did the final episode.

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Speaker 5: came down, I think for our seven fifty two monologues

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see in person myself, you know what

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Speaker 4: So it's better, Yeah, you know, it's better.

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Speaker 3: I learned that, and I got to tell you like

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Speaker 3: I learned it early on. I mean like maybe season

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I remember you came down to inventing Anna

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Speaker 4: Everyone who'd worked on the show with.

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Speaker 5: You and at exchange a million emails on like clothing

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Speaker 4: Were like, do you think I can get a photo?

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Speaker 5: Like production stopped because everyone needed to get their picture

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Speaker 3: because honestly, I feel like I'm interrupting people having been

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Speaker 3: able to do their creative process their way. So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going down there unless it's an emergency.

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Speaker 1: You need to go through like special effects like make

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Speaker 1: incognitiugno so people don't know what's you yeah, and they'll

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Speaker 1: be there. I might try that, Yeah, you should seandy,

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Speaker 1: didn't you You were also you were working on these shows,

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Speaker 3: No, I was working on these shows. Emerson was two

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Speaker 1: It's cutthroat. It's it's savage.

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Speaker 3: He did a beautiful job with that. He did a

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Speaker 3: I love that episode.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we will be back with more after the break.

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Speaker 5: When you are working on a season, for your process,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to tell you we never knew anything,

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Speaker 4: That was what you could do it. It was like what, like,

441
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 4: we're breaking all the rules that I was taught right

442
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,239
Speaker 4: exactly to do a television drama. Like it was like,

443
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 4: let's just.

444
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 3: Let everybody monologue. Yeah, we stuff.

445
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, having monologues at all is not a traditional television thing.

446
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 4: Like I even seen that. It was crazy.

447
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 3: I loved it. I was having so much fun. Season

448
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: three is one of my favorites. It just it is.

449
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 3: It's absolutely one of my favorite seasons.

450
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 4: How did you know to kill a kid?

451
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 5: Like what wasn't happening like the killing of Jerry When

452
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 5: we get to the end of this season, I am like,

453
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 5: what this is un incredible. It was incredible and it

454
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 5: was the only thing that would work to get him elected.

455
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 3: That was how he started. Like in my head, the

456
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 3: thing I thought about that season was like that that

457
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: amazing scene where Olivia and Cyrus are sitting on that

458
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: bench in the hospital and Olivia says, he's gonna win now,

459
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: He's absolutely gonna win, and Cyrus is like, I thought

460
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: that too, and I was like, that to me was

461
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 3: the ultimate political animal moment and really started from that,

462
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: and also getting to have the kids on in the

463
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 3: first place and seeing like what they meant in the

464
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 3: world in their lives. It was it was cool.

465
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 4: Oh, it was so so cool.

466
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: You do something, which I love, Shonda, You'll let the

467
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: actor know, like, oh my god, one else knows that

468
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 1: you're going to kill them off.

469
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: Whole thing to like just have some come to a table. Raad.

470
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: We tried to trick Josh Moline into thinking he was

471
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: going to die, but that that was the only time.

472
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and he freaking so fast. He caught it, right,

473
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: he even get spooked. Yeah, he caught it. He's annoying,

474
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: so annoying.

475
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 5: And I love him, which brings me to one of

476
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: our first questions. Of course, Ronia Diles wrote, my question

477
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 5: is will there ever be a scandal movie or reboot

478
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 5: of some sort. Many of us, myself included, feel like

479
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 5: we need closure on olitz.

480
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 4: Ah.

481
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: This is a question that everyone asks, Like I'm constantly

482
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: being asked. I'm like, asked, Sean, I don't know.

483
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: I know the story's over, but I would reboot this

484
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: show in a minute, because we had so much fun

485
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: and it was so much fun to work with everybody,

486
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 3: just to get the band back together. Like, I would

487
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: reboot the show. But I don't know. I don't know

488
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 3: if you're ever going to get closure on Olitz, Like

489
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 3: what kind of closure do you think you want? I know,

490
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: because there's no fairy tale happy ending. We made that

491
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: very clear from the very beginning, and I think people

492
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 3: want their fairy tale. It's part of why I thought

493
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: about Bridgton. I was like, in Bridgerston, everybody gets a

494
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: happy ending, Like let's let's say it's all wonderful. But

495
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 3: in Scandal, I was like, no, this is not that world.

496
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 4: No, it's a tragedy. I mean, Scandal really is like

497
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: it's it's tough, but it is what it is.

498
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 5: Speaking of getting their happy ending in season three is

499
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 5: where we get the Vermont House.

500
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a beautiful house.

501
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 5: That house was so beautiful and that scene was so hot.

502
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 5: I'm so uncomfortable. The only time I'm uncomfortable watching this

503
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 5: show is like how close we all are and how

504
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 5: I'll be watching the show and I'm like, damn, this

505
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 5: is the hottest shit I've ever seen in my entire life.

506
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 5: Like there's Fits and Olivia just going at it on

507
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 5: the rug of this beautiful violin and the fireplace is

508
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 5: going and how does Fitz's body look like that? And

509
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 5: how does look And then I'm like, these are my friends.

510
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is Irry and this is Tony. These

511
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 5: are people I know very well and I know their

512
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 5: significant others, and this is like weird.

513
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: Weird, so bizarre.

514
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Episode. That's the episode that Avid Verney directed.

515
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. She was amazing.

516
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 4: She did an amazing job.

517
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 5: And before she had I remember sitting with her and

518
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 5: talking to her Selma.

519
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: It was before anything, it was before anything. No, they

520
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: wouldn't let her, No, they would let her direct an

521
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: episode of television. She'd want all these film festivals. A

522
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: guy would have gotten one hundred million dollar picture off

523
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: of it, but they were like, we don't know, we

524
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: don't know. And scandal. We had this thing where we

525
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: hired the directors we wanted to, and I was like,

526
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: Tom's here. If there's anything goes around, Tom's here. And

527
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 3: so they wouldn't tell us and we couldn't, could't, coudn't hire,

528
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: which is how we got a lot of women directors

529
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: on that show.

530
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: Oh it was the best.

531
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: Love, that was the best. I'm the proudest of that.

532
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: I wish I would have gotten to work with her more.

533
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: I think we worked with her just a couple of days, right,

534
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 1: Katie like it.

535
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we didn't have big storylines during her episode, but

536
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 5: I'll never forget sitting there she was and her being like.

537
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a publicist for a while.

538
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 5: And then I made this movie and it did really

539
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 5: well at sun Dance, and I'm a filmmaker and da

540
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 5: da da dah.

541
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: But this is the first time I ever done TV.

542
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: And I'm going to do this movie called.

543
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 5: Selma, And I was like, I am catching this woman

544
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 5: on the upswing of of changing the world.

545
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 4: Like she is going to.

546
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: She's incredible.

547
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible.

548
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: So there's another We have another question, a question from Mariah, Yes,

549
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: a burning from Mariah Smith, and she says, what was

550
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: your thought process in bringing in a character that most

551
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: believe was supposed to come in between O lists?

552
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: He was we're talking about Scott right, Yeah, yeah, I

553
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: was gonna say, yeah, yeah. My thought process was simple,

554
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: like I we needed somebody like that, you know, we

555
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: needed that sort of spookiness, and I thought that that

556
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: was powerful and important to have, Like you wanted this

557
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: guy who the audience was like, no, yes, no, is

558
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: he evil? Is he not evil? And I remember scoffing,

559
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: like everybody hates me. Everybody hates my character.

560
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Because it's good.

561
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: It's really good. And then just if you skip back,

562
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: I wrote a monologue for him in season four which

563
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: we sat together and watched while live tweeting, and I

564
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: was like, just watch the tweets because once this monologue

565
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: is over, the audience is going to turn. And we

566
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: literally watched the audience turn from hating him to loving

567
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: it in like a monologue.

568
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, no way.

569
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: It was the one where he thought he was going

570
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: to die and he's sitting in that prison he's been

571
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: beaten up by Fits.

572
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good.

573
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I guess.

574
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: I guess the audience was like, how how dare you

575
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 5: bring in somebody that would ever come between Olivia.

576
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: Well, they were guys.

577
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: They were very loyal, and I love that they were

578
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: very loyal to Fits in Olivia. But I was like,

579
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: we have taken time to deconstruct Fits in Olivia for you.

580
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: You got to fall in love with him the way

581
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: she did, and then you got to learn the realities

582
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: of him, and yeah, you know, he's a complicated personal love.

583
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: But I also just wanted her to have some choice

584
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: and I wanted Fits. I wanted Fits to have like

585
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: somebody to be up against too.

586
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah, oh we all do.

587
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 5: I does love that, right, Like, yeah, I love love triangle.

588
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: When there's one woman and two men, I.

589
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: Think it keeps everybody.

590
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: It was this weird expansion of Papa Pope's family because

591
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: you know, you know, Jake was one of his sons. Yeah,

592
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: his sons, and so we needed this weird it was

593
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: a weird brother sister relationship too.

594
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 5: Before we get to our last question, and then I

595
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 5: know you have to go because we've got bridgert In

596
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 5: coming out and there's a lot of press to be done.

597
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: When did you guys decide? Because it's in this season

598
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 5: also that Huck and Quinn romantically get involved.

599
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: They weren't interesting. I mean, like I talked about you

600
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: like you're not here, but those characters were so interesting

601
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: to watch yolo is that episode with the with the

602
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: teeth pulling and all that. I just I just loved

603
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: it so much and I and getting those characters together

604
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: was this weird function of that dysfunction, you know what

605
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: I mean. Like it was also how they became sort

606
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 3: of equals because before that Quinn had been like his puppy,

607
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: right yeah, and after that they they were really unequal

608
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: footing so much the time, so much that Quinn could

609
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: challenge Hawk, which I thought was great.

610
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, who is nasty enough in the writer's room. You

611
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 5: don't have to doubt them to be like this is

612
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 5: when he licks her cheek and this is when she

613
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 5: licks his face, Like what is even going on? I'm

614
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 5: watching it and I and I don't really remember doing it.

615
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 4: I'm so into it and I'm just like, wow.

616
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I remember the day you licked me.

617
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I remember that because we were shooting at Hollywood Cemetery.

618
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 4: Remember that.

619
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we just watched that and we had Debbie Allen.

620
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: Debbie Allen, she directed the episode where we have sex

621
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 5: on a car.

622
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I was so complimented.

623
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: She is one of my all time favorite directors of

624
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 5: all time. But I just she made me feel so

625
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 5: comfortable and confident because Quinn has to be really sexy,

626
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 5: and I'm that's probably the one thing I am as

627
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: an actress. Just like, oh god, oh god, I want

628
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: to crawl on my skin.

629
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: I'm suf ear those scenes.

630
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: Those scenes were so sexy. And here's the deal, Like,

631
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: I remember the one sex scene I wrote other you know,

632
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: like between characters who weren't fits and live. The one

633
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: sex scene I wrote was the one where Abby sticks

634
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: her fingers and oh so good and I and I

635
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: wrote it. I was like, I just wrote it because

636
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: it felt weird and it felt like what Abby would do.

637
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: I don't know who wrote the licking. I don't, but

638
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: I loved it and I was like, let's let's see

639
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: and you know me, I'm never gonna be like the

640
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: characters have to band clothed, like you guys could have

641
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: done that scene fully clothed. And the licking itself, what's

642
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: the sexy part? That's what was interesting. He didn't require

643
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: any nudity, It didn't require any anything.

644
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 5: No, no, he just we were fully closed, which we

645
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: were very appreciative about. We also had long conversation Shanda,

646
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 5: which the people know about we've talked about it before

647
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: in the podcast, but G and I had long conversations

648
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: where we were like, we will not make out like

649
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 5: fits and Olivia. We are not movie stars. We are weirdos.

650
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: And the pain and pleasure threshold is very confused. Yes,

651
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 5: and so you know, there weren't intimacy coordinators at the time,

652
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 5: but it would have been like, Okay, there's probably gonna

653
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 5: be like tongue, which is like not really allowed in Hollywood.

654
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: And god, we were like best It helped that you

655
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: guys were best friends and it made it okay. But yeah, coordinators.

656
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: Intimacy coordinators came later, and then once we had them,

657
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: that's when I started being like I remember Carrie saying,

658
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: like can can Scott and I just choreographed this this

659
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: sex scene ourselves with the intimacy coordinator. I was like, great,

660
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: Like here's what I want from it, knock yourselves out.

661
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: And so that's when we started letting you guys choreograph

662
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: your own sex scenes with the coordinator. So that I

663
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: was like, this is perfect because then everybody really feels comfortable, right.

664
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we felt so taken care of it.

665
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: Again. I mean, Debbie was She's like, yeah, she's the best.

666
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 5: And she just made me feel like she was just

667
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: like you look good, Like she just was like really complimentary,

668
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh my god, I feel kind

669
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: of cute, Like, thank god for Debbie Allen Lucky.

670
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: You are cute.

671
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: Okay, Gene, thank you Okay gee. Last question?

672
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: Is this really?

673
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: It?

674
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: Is this really it? We're like, this is a fast conversation. Wow,

675
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: I know.

676
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: This is go go g This is a question. This

677
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: is from Denise Steine. Another burning question. She says, I've

678
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: been curious for years who was the funniest to write

679
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: dialogue for? Sally or Hollis. Both such interesting characters in

680
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: their own ways and have great one line.

681
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: You know, Hollis was really fun to write for, but

682
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: for me, Uh, it was Sally. And the reason why

683
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: it was Sally was she took herself so seriously, like

684
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: Hollis was always like in on the joke, you know

685
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: what I mean, But she took herself so seriously, and

686
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: then to give her these lines like it's not in

687
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: God's plan that I lose Ohio, like those kinds of things.

688
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: She was so serious. I mean even when she was

689
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: spitting young young Chrispy Piking like she's She was so

690
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: much fun to write for because she was deeply committed

691
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: and shook everything. Like her idea of politics was that

692
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: it was like the foundation of life. So she took

693
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: it all so so seriously was great.

694
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Which is so scary.

695
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: It was almost like she was like God had told her,

696
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 5: you know, like she was supposed to be there like

697
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: a king or queen, you know, like really right.

698
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 3: She played it that way, like literally like I am

699
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: here because God says this is where I'm supposed to be.

700
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: And so she played it so brilliantly crazy.

701
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: Oh she did.

702
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: And Leo Bergen is one of my all time favorite characters.

703
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the entire.

704
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 5: Scandal verse, and this is the season where the church

705
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: blows up and he rips Sally's shirt off and rubs

706
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 5: some dirt.

707
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: Go go.

708
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: He's like, be Jesus, Sally, go be Jesus. That he

709
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: was also great to write for, but you know, he

710
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: was from private practice, so I've been writing for him

711
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: forever and love working with him. So but it was

712
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: really fun to see him come in as this like

713
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: totally different guy, and he played it so hard and

714
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: like so seriously. It was fantastic.

715
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: He's so good.

716
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: Oh, Shanda, you are the Is there anything else we

717
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: have not talked about?

718
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: In season three? Before you have to go to your bridge,

719
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: you didn't.

720
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: Talk about the fact that this is the this is

721
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: the episode. This is the season where you introduced to

722
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: his family.

723
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: At the end, Oh, Quinn, do that you were so mad?

724
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: Yep? That season was also that final episode is also

725
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: Columbus shorts last episode, remember, because he was the one

726
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: who figured it all out. He was the one who

727
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: went to po and figured it all out. So it

728
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: was there were a lot of big things that happened

729
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: this season. That season was filled with these very very

730
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: big moments.

731
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: And speaking of Harrison, right, I think this is actually

732
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: a really good time to share some very special news

733
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: with the listeners. Yeah, g and I, we had a

734
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: beautiful reunion with Columbus Short and we recorded an entire

735
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 5: episode together.

736
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: That really just it covers a lot.

737
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 5: Of ground about his time on the show, and we're

738
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 5: going to be dropping that conversation in a few weeks,

739
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: So definitely, gladiators and listeners keep an eye out on

740
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 5: our socials for the official release date of that episode.

741
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: So Seanda, of course, you know that we had Columbus

742
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: on the podcast. How what did you think? How was it?

743
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved hearing it. I mean, honestly, you guys

744
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: spend a lot more time talking about Britney spirits than

745
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: you should have, but it was amazing.

746
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's something we all have in common.

747
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. He's something we all have in common.

748
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: But what I really loved was just hearing him be

749
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: so open and brutally honest about that period of time

750
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: in his life. It was really beautiful to hear. And

751
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: I always have a special love for Columbus, you know,

752
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 3: because he's such a talented actor and it hurts so much,

753
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: but it was so brilliant. His time on the show

754
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: is so brilliant.

755
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Harrison is unforgettable.

756
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: He's unforgettable, and he's like always how I feel when

757
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 5: I watch the show back. I'm like, he's like the gladiator,

758
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 5: Like that's how I feel, like a gladiator in a suit.

759
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: He's that.

760
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: He was that, he was the gladiator in a suit

761
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: who taught everybody else, like you know, he's teaching Quinn

762
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: the ropes. It was he was great and I thought,

763
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: like his his podcast, it's one to listen to because

764
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: it's just amazing.

765
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Good yeah, good good.

766
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: It was Yeah.

767
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, your support means the world, and I mean we

768
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: were really happy to have the platform to do it

769
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 5: and that he was game and.

770
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: That was an amazing and I'm really proud of him circle. Yeah,

771
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm proud of him for taking that opportunity to me too.

772
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 3: You guys are bold, but he was brave, yes, yeah.

773
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: And he came in with humility, yes, Like he was

774
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: open and it was just lovely. Yeah. It was really

775
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: nice to see him like that.

776
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: Season three was gonna bug you. For season four, we are.

777
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: Whenever you want to. I love talking about the show

778
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: and I love talking to you guys. Seriously, you can

779
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: just be like something I'm happy to do.

780
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. I love you so much.

781
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: Best of luck.

782
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: I will I know what I'm doing this weekend, and

783
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: at the time that this airs, everyone will have already

784
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 5: seen Bridgerton and is obsessed with it, and the Bridgerton

785
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 5: fandom will continue on. But we love you and thank

786
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 5: you so much for coming on.

787
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: To the podcast. We'll be right back, guys.

788
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: So it was awesome to have Shonda.

789
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: On so great.

790
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: We love you, Shonda, We you Shonda Rhimes.

791
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: And now we're gonna break break break down this episode

792
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 5: three oh eight, Vermon Is for Lovers Too.

793
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: You better tell somebody, you.

794
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: Better tell somebody, you better don't tell you. I love

795
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: this episode.

796
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: It is a.

797
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 5: Steamy, steamy, steamy episode. Yes, sex o rama. Okay, this

798
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 5: episode really was special for me. It's episode three oh

799
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: eight called Vermont Is for Lovers Too. It aired on

800
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 5: November twenty first, twenty thirteen, and it.

801
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Was written by Mark Wilding and directed by the wonderful

802
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: Ava DuVernay.

803
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: Guest starring Candy Alexander Asmya Lewis, Lisa Kudro is Congresswoman

804
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: Josie Marcus, Jack Coleman is, Daniel Douglas Langston.

805
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: Brian Lesher is Tom Sally Pressman as Candace Marcus, Sharmila

806
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: Davar is Lauren Wellman, and Ivar Broger as Doctor.

807
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: The synopsis to remind you, the OPA team gets closer

808
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 5: to nailing down the security guard killer as Fits and

809
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 5: Olivia do a little nailing of their own.

810
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Cyrus has a plan to take down Sally Langston.

811
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: All it involves is pimping out his own husband to

812
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: Daniel Douglass. Things comes to an epic climax after Maya

813
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Pope escapes from her cell and shows up at Olivia's doorstep.

814
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 5: Okay, so many things in this episode. First, you're all

815
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 5: gonna remember this, Maya choose her own fucking risk.

816
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: That's my fist disgusting, disgusting, even for me, who is

817
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: a huge horror fan. Disgusting and savage, Who the fuck

818
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: she chewed her wrists off?

819
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: Who wrote this?

820
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Mark Wilding?

821
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: She's been in jail for twenty years and it's on

822
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 5: her back, thank god. And you just hear blood and

823
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 5: gnawing and bone and snapping blood and snapping of ligaments

824
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: and disgusting sounds, and you realize what she's doing is

825
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: that she's chewing her own wrist off. So that she

826
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: can essentially try to commit suicide to get her out

827
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: of the cell, and the doctor so grossly says, yeah,

828
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: this girl's.

829
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: Out of her mind.

830
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 5: Because we've had people be able to make it to

831
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 5: like level one on your own wrists off and pass out.

832
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 4: She'd made it all the way through to the most

833
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 4: major arteries, Like this bitch is correct.

834
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: She is a Maya pope.

835
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: That was disgusting.

836
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 5: The other huge, huge, like winning scenes of this episode,

837
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: I mean the biggest. I must have written one thousand

838
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: notes about Tony Goldwin's.

839
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: But I know, listen and one of the I feel

840
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: like there's a character that is not a human in

841
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: this episode that is such a standout and so beautiful

842
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: and so epic, And it's the Vermont Home. Oh when

843
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: we see this episode is.

844
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 5: Where Fits says, please, I needed time, and she gets

845
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 5: in this private plane and I guess it takes one second.

846
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: To fly from DC to Vermont. And he walks into

847
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: this house and there's like, you know, sheets.

848
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 6: On furniture, furniture, but the fires going into the most

849
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 6: beautiful laid stonework fireplace in these vaulted wooden ceilings and

850
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 6: it looks like they're in the most bucolic landscape scene,

851
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 6: and he says, I bought it for us.

852
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: I wanted you to see it one time before I

853
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: sell it.

854
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: I kind of broke down in that part when he

855
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: says that and that love scene, the way that love

856
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: scene was shot beautiful killed that ava.

857
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 5: The sex scene and Tony Goldwin's bad, that's unheard of.

858
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 5: I don't understand his watch the man thick placement of

859
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 5: the manscaping.

860
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Hand, yes, and just the waist and that that sort

861
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: of like V shape down such.

862
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 5: A V shape that is something genetic. And he's eating

863
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 5: baby's blood.

864
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: Vampire ship in the middles blood. I think that's what

865
00:39:59,560 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: it is.

866
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: It's the most epic sex scene. It's so beautiful.

867
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: They're just like on the floor. They're all over this

868
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 5: Vermont house. And where did you hear where this house

869
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 5: was shot? Because I loved like where in La Ladies?

870
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: And how much does it come?

871
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: I've shot in this house. I have a scene in

872
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: front of that fireplace with Darby, and I have a

873
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: scene on the chair. You weren't there for that.

874
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: I don't think.

875
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a watch.

876
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: Let's get to that season.

877
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: In that episode, Yeah, there was a I remember Carrie

878
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: telling me that, oh my god, Jamie Fox lived like

879
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: right up the hill, and there was a day that

880
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: they were shooting in the house and Jamie was having

881
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: like a big old party and Carrie called Jamie to

882
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: be like, Jamie, can you just turn down music a

883
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: little bit because we're filming? And he totally did. Isn't

884
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: that creepy? Oh my ye.

885
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: A good yes, that is absolutely hilarious, And so Hollywood.

886
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that Candy Alexander is is

887
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: very much in this episode, and obviously she has that

888
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: crazy scene chewing off at risk. She has the wonderful

889
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: scenes with in the hospital where Eli Pope is showing

890
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: her pictures of Olivia because she, again, like Katie said,

891
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: she's been in prison for twenty years, right, so she

892
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: doesn't even know what her daughter looks like when she

893
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: was a teenager and as an adult. But a fun

894
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: fact about Candy Alexander is that she was a choreographer

895
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and she choreographed Whitney Houston's world tours from like nineteen

896
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: eighty eight to nineteen ninety two. Gosh, which I had

897
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: no idea. I didn't know that about her.

898
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 4: Are you like I need to YouTube videos of Candy Alexander.

899
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Dance like, I'm sure you can. I'm sure you can.

900
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: Oh man.

901
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 5: Somebody definitely says QR five facial recognition software in this

902
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 5: episode it's Jake, and I love it so much, Like

903
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: what is QR five facial recognition software? And how many

904
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 5: times did you say it on Scandal? Because I think

905
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 5: I said it seventy five hundred times.

906
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure I've said it a ton. Something

907
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: else that's stuck out for me in this episode is

908
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: when James mentions Ella's Ella's poop law and I was like,

909
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: is this laz, That's some straight hell bullshit. Y'all keep

910
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: flogs of your babies.

911
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: That's poop blog?

912
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Is that a real thing? Just to be like her

913
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: poop today was like solid and sort of like brown.

914
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you right down.

915
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 5: Well, because if the baby is really little, when you

916
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 5: go to the pediatrician, they ask you like how many

917
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 5: times have they pooped impede in the day, because it's

918
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 5: the only way to tell are they getting enough calories?

919
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 4: Are they hating weight?

920
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 5: And are they not like dehydrated? And is their body

921
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: like up online? Also, I used to have a pooplog

922
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: because yourself.

923
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: Not for Adam.

924
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Adam, you had a pooplog for Adam.

925
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 4: Could you imagine Adam.

926
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Speaker 5: No for my baby, because if you had child's care,

927
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: you would keep a log so that she could, like,

928
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: when I got home from the end of the day,

929
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: it would be written down if the kid went to

930
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 5: the bathroom, because I could get home. She might have left,

931
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 5: and the baby could be super cranky and you might

932
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 5: not know why. You like, look at the poop log

933
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh my god, she hasn't gone to

934
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 5: the bathroom, but all today she might have a really

935
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 5: bad gas and maybe she needs medicine or like whatever.

936
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 5: So that's that straight ass poop blog bullshit.

937
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: I wrote that down to you though.

938
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Speaker 5: This is also the episode where Cyrus sets has been

939
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 5: setting up, setting up, setting up for Daniel Douglas and

940
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 5: James to have an affair. Yes, Cyrus is so convinced

941
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 5: that when it when push comes to shove, James won't

942
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 5: do it because he's not like fits, and it ends

943
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 5: up happening. He goes to Daniel Douglas's house and he

944
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 5: starts to realize and put together that Cyrus has set

945
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: this whole thing up, and he's so upset and James,

946
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Dan m does such an amazing job,

947
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 5: and they end up hooking up and having sex, and

948
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: then Cyrus is waiting at home for them, and and

949
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: then James has all these lines that are like, you know,

950
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 5: innuendos that he did it on the.

951
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: Saddle, Well, I'm just back on the saddle again to

952
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: this ally it does.

953
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: And then he said something like yeah, you really opened

954
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: me up.

955
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I really opened him up.

956
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 4: Or something like that.

957
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 5: And then he's like, Okay, come to bed, honey, and

958
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 5: he's like, no, I'm going to take a shower. Don't wait,

959
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 5: and he says, I love don't wait up for you,

960
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: and he says, I love you. And then we see

961
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 5: Cyrus open up his cell phone and he gets the document,

962
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: like the actual proof of photos of them.

963
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: He's mortifies and hooking up.

964
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: Yes.

965
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: And what's so crazy is that at this time when

966
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 5: we were making this episode, I didn't know, none of

967
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 5: us knew that this was going to be the thing

968
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: that leads James.

969
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: To his death. Oh my god, yeah, and Daniel Douglas and.

970
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 5: Daniel Douglas, everybody dies, Cyrus fall so good, so good.

971
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: I love I love the moment where between Quinn and

972
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Huck were Huck and this I love that this In

973
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: this episode, Quinn is trying to hide the fact that

974
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: she killed that security guard. Right, Oh, yeah, she killed

975
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: the security guard, but she's trying to hide that end.

976
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 5: This is the episode where she's trying to get the

977
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 5: information before you do.

978
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, and the whole Opia team is like working

979
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: hard to get the picture of that woman with that

980
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: pencil and killed the security guard.

981
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: And Quinn's like shit happy says that shitty pencils, skirt

982
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 5: and those dumpy heels.

983
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: But there's a moment where Quinn goes into Huck's office

984
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: and Huck is like, hey, you do a really good job.

985
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: You do a really good job at what you do,

986
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I don't tell you enough

987
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: and I love that. I love that. But then Quinn

988
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: is like then.

989
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 5: The episode is and Quinn comes into her apartment and

990
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 5: she has her spiding senses up and she's like Huck

991
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 5: and he's waiting, Oh, there's a folder on the floor,

992
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 5: and she picks up the folder and it's a close

993
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: up shot of her in the building that killed the

994
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 5: security office and Huck is waiting there with the tarp

995
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 5: and the tool.

996
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: And the tool.

997
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: Row.

998
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: I remember shooting in that, in that in Quinn's apartment.

999
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Whenever we shot in Quinn's apartment, it was always like

1000
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: a really intense scene, like a really good, juicy, intense

1001
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: dark scene. It was always exciting shooting there. And it

1002
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: was on the stages at Centic Hour.

1003
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was on the stages. Okay, Giirmo. Six Degrees

1004
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 4: of Horror?

1005
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: Was there anything in this app If you look on

1006
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 5: your notes, I don't know these movies.

1007
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: Well listen, Yeah, there was a lot of horror, and

1008
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: it was in the beginning of the episode.

1009
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kenny Alexander was in Firstborn in two thousand and seven.

1010
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 5: A pregnant couple buys a mansion and moves out of NYC.

1011
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 5: Strange things start happening to the c sectioned anxious new moment.

1012
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Firstborn?

1013
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: I have not seen that. Can you believe it?

1014
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: Now?

1015
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: A horror movie exists that Giermo Diaz has not seen?

1016
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: And then Terminal.

1017
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 4: Also I will never.

1018
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 5: Watch these movies, but also I kind of love it.

1019
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 5: And also this episode was a horror thing in and

1020
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: of its own. We had to watch a woman eat

1021
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 5: her own wrist off, which was absolutely yeah, okay.

1022
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: Fun fact for this episode, it's like, this is a lot.

1023
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: But the compound that's in Quinn's syringe, which they name,

1024
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 5: it's called bachelor and toxin, the effective dose that actually

1025
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 5: would kill someone around that dude's weight would have had

1026
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: to have been three pounds of liquid shit. So there's

1027
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: no way that that that they named in the episode

1028
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: could have killed that guy. But like whatever, oh my god,

1029
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 5: Scandal tweets at the time, this one's.

1030
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: Away at Luck.

1031
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 5: You mean it, wrote Quinn, You dumb bitch. Why would

1032
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 5: you ever trust Charlie?

1033
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: Hashtags game, love it go dogs tweeted back at back

1034
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: at Mo. Miriam She tweeted, oh my god, just saw

1035
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: last night's Scandal episode. Quinn finally about to die? Get

1036
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: her ass, Huck? Oh shit, what all this drama with Quinn?

1037
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: All this?

1038
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: Like all this Quinn?

1039
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 5: I love it at far dus of ninety two tweeted,

1040
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 5: you believe he's killed your mother, but you forgive him

1041
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 5: because he got you a house.

1042
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 4: Olivia is something else so true?

1043
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Tait potait Ho tweeted, are you a side chick if

1044
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: you get picked up by a helicopter to stay in

1045
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: a posh mansion. Hashtag scandal. Olivia Pope got me wanting

1046
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: to be a side chick.

1047
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.

1048
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 5: At Angel Rene thirteen tweeted, Melly is the side chick

1049
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 5: and she knows it hashtag scandal.

1050
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: I'm not true.

1051
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: Scandal Possessed tweeted hashtag scandal. A Scandal crew can have

1052
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: just one well lit, oh litz love scene before the

1053
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: show is over. It's hard out here for a fangirl

1054
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: editing pics. Oh my god, so she's saying she wants

1055
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: to flighting to be brighter so she could edit a

1056
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: good fucking picture.

1057
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: Just really focus on Tony Goldwin's yes. Oh look at

1058
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: this shot.

1059
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 5: This is with a picture at ohso brand New tweeted,

1060
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 5: Olivia Pope be like, oh, I thought you said throw

1061
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 5: it back Thursday hashtag scandal. And it's definitely a very

1062
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: saucy photo of Fitzgerald Grant behind Olivia Pope without their

1063
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 5: clothing on.

1064
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: And it looks like there's some on panky panky.

1065
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: Hanky panky back position going okay.

1066
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: Felicia tweeted, why y'all ain't warm me about this lady

1067
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: eating her arms on Scandal. I was eating sorry about that, Felicia, I.

1068
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 5: Know same at Smiley Stylist tweeted, I just had a

1069
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 5: whole body shaking flashback to last night's hashtag scandal at

1070
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 5: ave et cetera. Plus shonder rhymes have me shook. I

1071
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 5: still hear the chewy And guess what next episode is?

1072
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 5: All y'all who our Quinn haters are going to get

1073
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: what you need because the next episode is three o

1074
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 5: nine and it's called Yola Yolo Yolo.

1075
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: Quinn's about to Quin's about tua.

1076
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Quinn's about to go to the dentist. She about to

1077
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: go to the dentist.

1078
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: Y'all.

1079
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: So, if you guys want to hear all about how

1080
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 5: much you hated Quinn and make sure that she gets

1081
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 5: her shit tortured real bad, come listen to next week's

1082
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 5: episode of Unpacking the Toolbox, a Scanalal rewatch podcast for

1083
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 5: episode three oh nine titled.

1084
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: Yo Quinn's gonna check her yuck mouth. Maybe she just

1085
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: got a yuck mouth.

1086
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for listening. We love you.

1087
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: Tell your friends, Hey, if you like the scandal Rewatch podcast,

1088
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 5: tell a friend to subscribe to it.

1089
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Yes, we need you guys. Listen if you guys want

1090
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: to show this podcast to continue on. We need your

1091
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: help and we need your love. So please, yeah, find

1092
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: another Scandal obsessed friend or someone on social media and

1093
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: just send them a link to the podcast because it

1094
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: would help us a lot, and we would love to

1095
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: keep doing this for you, guys and for us.

1096
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