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Speaker 1: Broward County legend, you know what I mean, dear Field
Speaker 1: uh legend, uh Florida legend. The man has worked with
Speaker 1: everybody from Applies to Rick Ross to Wile to Tea
Speaker 1: Paying the Birdman the Trick to Waka's a Little Wayne,
Speaker 1: to meet Mail the Fabulous, to change the Freshman. I
Speaker 1: don't know what versu he ain't working with. He may
Speaker 1: they too, are, and I gotta keep a hundred on
Speaker 1: this intro then throughout this interview. When you think of
Speaker 1: we're the best, is two people that you think of
Speaker 1: who built that company, that was on the forefront on
Speaker 1: that camera, and this is one of them. He stood
Speaker 1: next to college they did all uh made history together,
Speaker 1: and he went on to do his own independence. He's
Speaker 1: holding it down. He ain't complaining about leaving the team.
Speaker 1: He's staying here and he's doing what the hell he
Speaker 1: gotta do. He's out here monkey fucking the game, still
Speaker 1: being renavant, still doing what you gotta do. In case
Speaker 1: you don't know what you tell we're talking about, we
Speaker 1: talk about motherfucker, motherfucker now legendary. In the beginning, in
Speaker 1: the beginning, In the beginning, Uh, you you wrapped it
Speaker 1: because you're like you're like a rapper, rapper, like like
Speaker 1: you're a lyricist, like I can tell you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: writing the rhyme down and just and and half acid
Speaker 1: understand you one of those two? So how did you
Speaker 1: even develop that in the beginning? And especially I guess
Speaker 1: it's a double double question because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't look at all souve artists as lyricists, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So a lot of people, So how
Speaker 1: did you develop that? Like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: being lyrical and then being lyrical first and yeah, so
Speaker 1: being a lyrical thing, bro, I came up on trying
Speaker 1: to put it self so so sure, sure I am
Speaker 1: Black the Wild Kevin. So you know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: you know what so crazy is that the fact that
Speaker 1: South artist wasn't really known for lyricism putting together rhymes
Speaker 1: like that. So it's like, uh, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a South artist that was able to do so. So
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of like you know, uh
Speaker 1: up North influence, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: like cannabis, big yail, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of people that was really rapping,
Speaker 1: people who was really doing a thing. So uh So
Speaker 1: for me, it was always about that. You know, these
Speaker 1: were people who were saying words using terminology and just
Speaker 1: language that which is very different, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So to me, I wanted to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of both because yeah, we got the bounce, but I
Speaker 1: want to be able to say something in my music,
Speaker 1: you know, and then obviously being with with with Calli
Speaker 1: and the whole situation was like, uh, the expectation, you know,
Speaker 1: once the bar get raised, it's like, that's what we
Speaker 1: at with it. It's nothing. It wasn't out here. It
Speaker 1: just wasn't. It was a lot some real stuff like that.
Speaker 1: In terms of the South, that's what people consider. People
Speaker 1: didn't consider us as being lyric like going to going
Speaker 1: to to pick up you and and and you're cool,
Speaker 1: like your analogies, the buzz superiors and all that. We
Speaker 1: didn't think that existed. That's why when you bring that
Speaker 1: up and you speak about we thought basic music, but
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't like looking from it. And to
Speaker 1: tell you truth, us as consumers at that time, I
Speaker 1: think that's all we wanted from the South. Yeah, like that,
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, I don't know, I'm say that you're
Speaker 1: looking at me grazy. Did you ever received slack by
Speaker 1: being so lyrical? Like did anybody saying, you know, you're
Speaker 1: too lirial, you get out of here? Yeah? Bro? So
Speaker 1: um oh, this is interesting because in the in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I came in so lyrical and I wanted to wrap
Speaker 1: you know what I mean I wanted to be on
Speaker 1: some lyrical, typrical, pyrical, the different thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, cannabis you know you don't those Canadas, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like I wanted to be
Speaker 1: on that type of ship. I wanted to really wrap
Speaker 1: but coming into the game in the industry, like I
Speaker 1: was taught that you had to dumb it down. You
Speaker 1: did like you know, um, I was taught that at
Speaker 1: that particular time that the consumer that wasn't what the
Speaker 1: consumer was was looking for when they wanted to have
Speaker 1: a good time. Like just the people that I'm around,
Speaker 1: you know, like your crew, like it's my crew. It's
Speaker 1: the industry focused the people that believe that it was
Speaker 1: you know, partly like Kalim because because you're not in
Speaker 1: a way of saying that you can't be lyrical. But
Speaker 1: just um, it's different when you're trying to create a
Speaker 1: radio record or record, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know that in retrospect they were
Speaker 1: probably wrong, but I and they said jay Z did
Speaker 1: the same thing. Well, I mean that's what I was
Speaker 1: told because even did the same thing. It's widely yeast
Speaker 1: b and I mean, I don't know at what point,
Speaker 1: but it's what I mean. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is a rumor, but it's widely knowing that he said
Speaker 1: that he had to bring it to a level where
Speaker 1: he wanted to bring people in so that everybody could understand,
Speaker 1: and then he was gonna raise the bar once he
Speaker 1: had them. That's what that's what that's that's because I
Speaker 1: looked at two Box whole career. I've never seen him
Speaker 1: dumb it down, not at one point have to hit
Speaker 1: me up and front like two bocks dumb down. I
Speaker 1: think he had more in some cases. I think I
Speaker 1: think Too Popular went deeper with some of it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But not not really. And you yourself,
Speaker 1: you've ever dumbed it down? Yeah? Yeah, for sure, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you're trying to learn, you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to build a fan base. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, you know, you're listening to the people
Speaker 1: that've done it before, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: it's like, um, you know, you gotta experiment, man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So that that's really what it
Speaker 1: was like for me. It was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: So I know I have to dumb it down and
Speaker 1: know to create in order to create certain records. But
Speaker 1: I also know that, um, you know, I got so
Speaker 1: much more in me, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: can tell real stories and stuff like that. You listen
Speaker 1: to nas, you listen to people like yourself, like you're
Speaker 1: her stories. I like that take me on a journey
Speaker 1: throughout this, you know what I'm say and like, So
Speaker 1: that's that's more so where I'm at now in my mind.
Speaker 1: Now I'm Deerfield Beach right now. Growing up there? Who
Speaker 1: was your who was your influences? Because I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: very cliche to say trick daddy, but it's just some
Speaker 1: difficult Uh yeah, I want to know too. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: so coming up the Deerfield legends were they weren't in
Speaker 1: music though, you know what I mean, They weren't musicians.
Speaker 1: These guys with ballplayers. I grew up playing football. That
Speaker 1: was my thing. So what I'm saying, so like all
Speaker 1: the legends, you know a lot of people that you
Speaker 1: see in the NFL or whatever, like these are the
Speaker 1: people that we just came up looking up towards, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like Tyrone, mass of these guys,
Speaker 1: and you had like I grew up playing with Patrick Peterson,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and uh so many other
Speaker 1: guys JP, p um uh. Just just those type of people,
Speaker 1: you know. We was really I grew up looking up
Speaker 1: to like Dion Santas. I wanted to be like growing up,
Speaker 1: you feel me like Crown Time. So it was more
Speaker 1: so of that. And on the music side I looked
Speaker 1: up to more so you know, you got the waynes
Speaker 1: we had the soldier slim like. I was big on
Speaker 1: that South type stuff. So um so that that was
Speaker 1: really where my influence came from when I was young.
Speaker 1: You know, we all wanted to on our foe Willis Yea,
Speaker 1: I played football. Yeah. Not. The funny thing is when
Speaker 1: I didn't live out here, I always looked at it
Speaker 1: always be in Miami, meaning let's talk about that Phil Beach.
Speaker 1: I thought that was Miami. About Hollywood, I thought that
Speaker 1: was Miami. Uh for a lot of them know what's Miami? Uh,
Speaker 1: what's the what's my man called that black come from?
Speaker 1: All These plays are very different. You gotta live out
Speaker 1: here to know that because once they see once you
Speaker 1: land and you see the palm trees and you see
Speaker 1: the same dregs and the same goals. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: till I got here, like you know, you know the
Speaker 1: brook and the Queen's rivalry, the queens within Queen's rivalry,
Speaker 1: and I started like you know, the cop up Browner County.
Speaker 1: Uh day, was you on that side of the fence
Speaker 1: where like you know, it was hard for you. So
Speaker 1: so for us bro growing up where we're from, it
Speaker 1: was it was it was Haitian American issues, Faitians Americans.
Speaker 1: So literally like in high school, you know you so
Speaker 1: in high school in the elementary like, so that was
Speaker 1: the main thing. And where I stayed at, which is
Speaker 1: interesting is that, Um, I grew up in an all
Speaker 1: Haitian neighborhood, which is why I came into the game
Speaker 1: with so many zos and all my homies, like so
Speaker 1: that's my my brotherhood. It's like my family, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And the Americans grew up on the west side. So
Speaker 1: that was always an issue because I'm an American and
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, like or just like
Speaker 1: right like American, right, Um, But that was the rival
Speaker 1: issue going on. So you had a lot of people
Speaker 1: selling drugs on this side and doing their thing and
Speaker 1: hustling and doing that business or whatever. But them guys
Speaker 1: from this side can't come to this side, you know.
Speaker 1: And if you're from that side, you can't come to
Speaker 1: that side. And I'm from this side, but I got
Speaker 1: homes from that west side. So that was always like
Speaker 1: it's New York is looking at looking at all of y'all, everybody,
Speaker 1: like this is happening in Deerfield. This is like three
Speaker 1: minutes down the street. Like if I'm staying on sixty sixty,
Speaker 1: sixty street, whatever, you got the other homies there on
Speaker 1: the west side, and it's it's always it's back and
Speaker 1: forth beef. Now you got homies pulling up on the
Speaker 1: block doing what they do. You got homies pulling up
Speaker 1: on our block doing what they do. And it's like,
Speaker 1: if you ain't sail nothing in this area, if you
Speaker 1: ain't do nothing to contribute to this area, you can't
Speaker 1: really come to this area per se. But real Florida
Speaker 1: is they think Florida Miami. Everything is south. Like if
Speaker 1: you're talking about on some ship and I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying this, but if you're talking about like the trenches
Speaker 1: of Brower County. You're talking about deer Field pumping the period.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about that's what I believe, like um pumping,
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, and what's so crazy about that?
Speaker 1: It's literally like deer Filt pamplot was one and the
Speaker 1: same because eventually, like our area cold and it got
Speaker 1: switched from Deerfield to actually complace. I didn't understand who COOLDA.
Speaker 1: Black was and like, you know how he was doing
Speaker 1: his tactics until I started hanging out with people that
Speaker 1: that's like him, and I'm like, okay, this is look
Speaker 1: like they're all a little crazy, got mad sense, got
Speaker 1: math sense. So um, so I'll tell us. The difference, Uh,
Speaker 1: had you been from Miami would have been a difference
Speaker 1: in in in anything you have done. Yeah, that would
Speaker 1: have been different. There would have been a different swaggle,
Speaker 1: for sure. I think there would have been definitely a
Speaker 1: different swag, different ideas about myself, you know. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: Miami was much more different. You know, Miami used to
Speaker 1: consider themselves as a little bit more forward than than
Speaker 1: Broward County was. Right, So when UH say they was
Speaker 1: on let's say fitted jeans and fitted shirts, Broward County,
Speaker 1: we were still. Uh you know two x three shirts.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, box you pull up, we
Speaker 1: still they still playing the Boosey and all over right
Speaker 1: before you saying so, I think it just would have
Speaker 1: been different. And I think that's such a prominent point
Speaker 1: for me in my career because I received it was
Speaker 1: so much like hatred because of that, because of the
Speaker 1: moves in the beginning, because like when people say hatred
Speaker 1: not from not from your I mean just because like
Speaker 1: you know, so the biggest thing was that I was
Speaker 1: from I'm from Deerfield, but shooting content in Miami, you
Speaker 1: went through that, huh for you like, because like you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't from left Back. My first video was in
Speaker 1: queens Bridge. They did not let they did not let
Speaker 1: me go down. I had no power. I had no power, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So the people were left Frock like queens Bridge, You're
Speaker 1: Queen's Bridge, dude. I'm like, no, I'm from left Frax.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna look at this time of my album,
Speaker 1: I had to say left Frac three thirty six hundred
Speaker 1: times to make sure I did not playing queens Bridge.
Speaker 1: I had no power at the time ahead and that's
Speaker 1: the issue that I was dealing with because I felt
Speaker 1: like I needed to go back and say, dear Field
Speaker 1: and in the city constantly, so now popping up in
Speaker 1: the city. Now we shooting videos in the city. But
Speaker 1: you know, eventually, over time I started to learn that
Speaker 1: it wasn't really about that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because constantly people was trying to attach me to Miami.
Speaker 1: And every time somebody would, I'm like, bro, I'm not
Speaker 1: from Miami. I ain't grow up in the streets. That
Speaker 1: ain't my hood. And you understand, like I take that
Speaker 1: to heart because I don't know them parts. And if
Speaker 1: like you know, like we grew up and you don't
Speaker 1: know them parts, you can't really speak on that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's just simple and plain. So
Speaker 1: for me, I understood the idea of them like cool.
Speaker 1: But everything I would say, yo, brow would not if
Speaker 1: our fault was on my skin is in my life.
Speaker 1: Like I took it around the world, I moved it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, that was
Speaker 1: the biggest issue because Miami do things in a very
Speaker 1: different way than I feel like a brow would do it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. A lot of cocaine. If
Speaker 1: you know who knows? I want to take a shot.
Speaker 1: I want to take a shot. Shot man, I'm here, yes, yes, sir, um,
Speaker 1: I need you know. We heard you around guy, so
Speaker 1: we got you. We heard you the bamboo, so we
Speaker 1: got you that. I got you that tune. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do the regular. You know some mom wanna No, I'm sorry, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. You have a conversation about the
Speaker 1: how much you like the mama wanna? But I'm putting
Speaker 1: in here now behind the paddle. No, I'm gonna do regular.
Speaker 1: She wants some bamboo I'm gonna do and we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't know if you know. But our sure was
Speaker 1: about celebrating people. You know, so many people want to
Speaker 1: get rid of people. And you know, I'm gonna looking
Speaker 1: at your crib. You have career, you have a lot
Speaker 1: of trials and trip relations daughter ups and downs, but
Speaker 1: you stay solid. You stayed you know down, you stayed loyal.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into all that, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: salute you as we get in solid. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: want the shot before I go on. Go on, think
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta life? Come on, man, you see some more.
Speaker 1: Come on, what's going on? Every life on the room
Speaker 1: was disappointed right now? Come on, come on, but hey,
Speaker 1: I'll get it, do it. So Trials and Triple Relation
Speaker 1: seven on going over the place. Um, what made you
Speaker 1: name your album that at that time? Ah? Ship oh man,
Speaker 1: I would going through a lot of trials at that
Speaker 1: particular time. Um, what was I do actually dealing with
Speaker 1: at that time? With trials and tribulations? That was bug
Speaker 1: on there and that was hard. Um, Trials and tribulations
Speaker 1: was like the the answer to what I had been through,
Speaker 1: you know, in order to like, uh, to solidify myself
Speaker 1: as an artist. You know, I felt like I had
Speaker 1: great records in the beginning, but I felt like it
Speaker 1: wasn't up until Hustle Hard was like my self proclaimed
Speaker 1: record that was like the record people know me for.
Speaker 1: And I feel like in any artist's career, I think
Speaker 1: it's important for you to have a self establishing record
Speaker 1: for yourself. And to me, Hustle Hard was gonna like
Speaker 1: I know, but I say that to paying in of
Speaker 1: just trials and tribulations, I feel like I was just
Speaker 1: dealing with I would just I was dealing with so much, man,
Speaker 1: I think in terms of just taking care of my family,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and trying to take care
Speaker 1: of my family and everybody in my family and take
Speaker 1: care of myself and also still trying to be president
Speaker 1: and create records and and and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and had these ideas and make sure that these are
Speaker 1: my ideas and not someone else's ideas. Make sure like
Speaker 1: I'm fully involved in the process of doing that, and
Speaker 1: make sure I'm seeing my children at the same token.
Speaker 1: Since I say I'm doing I'm doing all of this
Speaker 1: for the people that I love. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You want to I want to make sure I'm spending
Speaker 1: time with these people. So I was just going through
Speaker 1: like I was just trying to find my balance and
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So trials and tribulations for me
Speaker 1: at that point was just you know, I just needed
Speaker 1: to overcome something, man, and really just like get my
Speaker 1: feet planning for real, for real, because I felt like
Speaker 1: I was, I guess, being overcome in some way man,
Speaker 1: you know, or just figuring it out. Just that too,
Speaker 1: that too, that too, and point you did cash for?
Speaker 1: I did cash for That was like one of the
Speaker 1: first records I did. That was after I'm So Hood,
Speaker 1: but I'm So Hood didn't come out. No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: that was before man, Yeah, that was before. So that
Speaker 1: was like two thousand and eight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was like one of the first few records. So
Speaker 1: once we decided, once I got signed to the whole
Speaker 1: were the best situation. Like we went in and we
Speaker 1: started to create records like right away. So that was
Speaker 1: one of the records that came out of the batch.
Speaker 1: Cooling and Drade was a part of that record. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Shout out Cooling and Drade them
Speaker 1: called them, came in and we just wanted to create
Speaker 1: some special man, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: like just to have the idea of having Tee pain
Speaker 1: and rost him on that ship was nasty, bro. He
Speaker 1: was that yeah. Yeah, so all right take the shot. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, baby Solo Solottle back out. So Collins has
Speaker 1: this radio station in nine Yeah, and one of your
Speaker 1: boys got the plug to tell you that he's dead
Speaker 1: or you just figure I'm gonna just pull up my
Speaker 1: boy hold him on the radio. At that time, he
Speaker 1: heard him on the radio and it was like some
Speaker 1: type of contest or something like he had he had
Speaker 1: going on. So when he he when he hit me
Speaker 1: about it, he came to the crib and I was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, catched up at ninety nine jams.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, so what that means? Like you know
Speaker 1: what we're doing? He's like, Yeah, We're gonna go up
Speaker 1: to the radio station and like try to wrap for
Speaker 1: bro like records at the time, or you were just
Speaker 1: going into rap records, because you know, they pull up, right,
Speaker 1: we pull up. We pull up. First of all, we
Speaker 1: in the merk. We're in the Mercury, the Mercury leaning
Speaker 1: on over y'all, you know, and Paul is the old
Speaker 1: school's back then. You know what what I'm saying, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna let you have this. Yeah you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about it, but it's a Mercury, right,
Speaker 1: But that's the call. You know, they fixed him up.
Speaker 1: They were like the bubble, the bubble, Chevyes backing and
Speaker 1: all that good stuffy and policy. So we in that.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's important to say that because
Speaker 1: of just what that representing. You feel me like the
Speaker 1: sound system work you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to get it. It's right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So we pull up at the
Speaker 1: radio station. The gate is open. God normally the gates club.
Speaker 1: So we pull up. The gate is open. I knew
Speaker 1: it was God. I knew he was all costrated. We
Speaker 1: pulled up. As soon as we get in there, Calip
Speaker 1: pull up five minutes later. I never forget it because
Speaker 1: I've seen the way that baby blue fanom pulled up
Speaker 1: in the vibe. It was it was nasty, right, he
Speaker 1: pulled up, he hopped out. Now keep in mind now
Speaker 1: I think this is important too for like you know,
Speaker 1: in general what the game is different. But back then,
Speaker 1: like as an artist, you had to be prepared. So
Speaker 1: I had a bio, I had a picture, I had
Speaker 1: CD with my songs on it, everything in an envelope
Speaker 1: and I ain't playing. So look at my instagram right,
Speaker 1: just right right, you go to my Instagram like like
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it outside or like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Me and them like yo, boom whatever. But
Speaker 1: so we the count of them, man, we're hanging out
Speaker 1: and the callous like when you walked up on him.
Speaker 1: He's not hesitant because yeah, people pull up right for
Speaker 1: two weeks later, right or something? He called so he
Speaker 1: hit he hit back that night, but I was skipping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta give He gave him the CD. We gave
Speaker 1: the CD right because I wanted them. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to rap for him. I couldn't wrap for him. He
Speaker 1: had this radio station. He had to be that six fifteen,
Speaker 1: six thirty, right, you gotta be doing this thing. So
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't hear back or hear anything until
Speaker 1: like the following day, you know, like he hit my
Speaker 1: manager back. That same night, I was having a conversation
Speaker 1: with him and was like yo boo boom boom. I
Speaker 1: like what I heard. I hear the hunger, like I
Speaker 1: want to work with this guy. And from there two
Speaker 1: weeks later when we had the prior meeting to actually
Speaker 1: signing and you know and figuring out what we want
Speaker 1: to do. When he sent you, I'm so was he
Speaker 1: paying on there was anybody on there or he just
Speaker 1: seen you to beat pain was on the Yeah, he
Speaker 1: sent me, so he sent me to you know, bro,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's crazy when I think about it, because
Speaker 1: just in my mind of hearing that song, right, being
Speaker 1: in Club Boker with the homies, not even knowing Cali
Speaker 1: and not even knowing nothing, right, you know about that
Speaker 1: club Boker, So like were enough vibing with the homies
Speaker 1: and like, definitely true, let's go crazy. So in my mind,
Speaker 1: we're catching the vibe. And so for him to send
Speaker 1: me a record that got t paining hooked but a
Speaker 1: free verse and then this hook come back, I felt
Speaker 1: like I was like, man, that's like, this is no,
Speaker 1: this is not a normal opportunity. Keep paying on the
Speaker 1: hook and it ain't like orchestrated to put this together.
Speaker 1: I took a little piece of ripping when I said that.
Speaker 1: I just felt like I gotta, I gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta come with it. I wrote like five six verses, bro,
Speaker 1: I went to the studio at the same time show
Speaker 1: and uh. And from there, man, once I you know,
Speaker 1: knocked the verses and I recorded the verses that slipping slide.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Yeah yeah, so Lucas and then
Speaker 1: and then what have happened? Laid five verses or you
Speaker 1: wrote five verses? I laid five verses and I wrote
Speaker 1: five verse and I just took the best too, and
Speaker 1: I sent him that you know what I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: he can what was that moment? And in sending that,
Speaker 1: man he called me right back and which is like, bro,
Speaker 1: like I love it. I love it. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: I hear that dog, I hear that hunger, and like,
Speaker 1: let's do something. We're gonna have him meeting Boom boom.
Speaker 1: He had the office across the street from the radio station.
Speaker 1: We linked up at that spot the next time and
Speaker 1: we were sitting down talking about having the deal man
Speaker 1: and him wanting to sign me. Like my guy at
Speaker 1: that particular time wanted it to be about dollars and deals.
Speaker 1: We wanted to get like he wanted to get a
Speaker 1: label situation. But at that time he was only interested
Speaker 1: in signing me. So um so yeah man. So that
Speaker 1: from there it was it was history. Broa yeah, straight up,
Speaker 1: I got notes. You know I'm in this. I'm yeah down, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let me okay okay. We had a lot of I
Speaker 1: don't want to wrong okay, so boom to get with
Speaker 1: college hustle Hall doesn't come out yet, right what you
Speaker 1: cash roll comes out? First? Cash roll comes out? Yet
Speaker 1: this first time flying to New York. I flew to
Speaker 1: New York once we ended up figuring out the deal.
Speaker 1: My first time I were going to New York. Who
Speaker 1: flew to New York to go see l a read
Speaker 1: and he was with Deaf Jam at that time. So
Speaker 1: at this time I had cash flow. I had the
Speaker 1: stressing record that I recorded with applies. Did he have chapstick?
Speaker 1: Feel like he was put on chapstick. I just feel
Speaker 1: like he was. He wasn't about man. Every time I've
Speaker 1: seen him putting on the chapter what are you doing man?
Speaker 1: He put he got the other ship, the lip bomb.
Speaker 1: Come on, you got to stop, you gotta last. He said,
Speaker 1: He's a genious. He's a genious to be signed you,
Speaker 1: that means you hill. So yeah, fly to New York.
Speaker 1: Are you nervous because because because you know this is
Speaker 1: a possibility, he can fly, he can introduce you, you know,
Speaker 1: because right now they can look at your looking on
Speaker 1: Instagram and say, oh, I like the way you look.
Speaker 1: But this is if you're going to New York. This
Speaker 1: is to look at how you look in your face,
Speaker 1: to see how you perform to see So are you
Speaker 1: are you nervous or do you even do you even
Speaker 1: know this process is happening? The pep talk before you
Speaker 1: get there. I'm beyond nervous, first of all, because I'm
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm flying. It's my first time ever flying,
Speaker 1: It's my first time everything. It wasn't it was the
Speaker 1: first time for everything, first time flying, first time being
Speaker 1: in New York, first time. You know, we had missed
Speaker 1: the child at that time, first time having missed the
Speaker 1: child in the office. Bro, I'm so nervous, bro. But
Speaker 1: the PEPs hall right, this was like this is the
Speaker 1: Illis ship about Kalid? Right? Is that his level of
Speaker 1: like the way he's able to motivate you or this
Speaker 1: l a read we gotta go this how they read
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta sell this, like make him feel
Speaker 1: like yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
Speaker 1: yo yo yo. You can't play like it's a chance
Speaker 1: to like it's not a game, like we gotta do
Speaker 1: I can seek up. It's like what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: it's like like that's that's that's the energy. So for me,
Speaker 1: that's all I need to hear him. You with me,
Speaker 1: you affirm me, We in it's together. Let's do this,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, so for me, as
Speaker 1: soon as I get in up with l A read
Speaker 1: like you know I come from like I come from
Speaker 1: the hood. I come from did feel like down the street,
Speaker 1: the projects. We gotta home me So I need this.
Speaker 1: I ain't even to play with this opportunity for me.
Speaker 1: So I spill it all. I give it all. I
Speaker 1: mean they get emotion on everything they're giving him. That
Speaker 1: stress in Verse repplies on it. I mean nothing going
Speaker 1: hard with that cash floor. You're gonna feel me, you
Speaker 1: feel me like and he felt that, you know for
Speaker 1: for then, Man, we were signing the deal, I stepped
Speaker 1: at the room. We was inking the deal, big MR's
Speaker 1: what I'm asking, what's that moment like when you step
Speaker 1: out the room, because I get the gotta be a
Speaker 1: moment when they're talking to were you not there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is what it is? What's going through your mind at
Speaker 1: this time? The moment after I left the room, I
Speaker 1: felt fulfilled and I felt like I did that. I
Speaker 1: left it there, but like you got yeah yeah, or
Speaker 1: even if I didn't like I left it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like I did my part, You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, as long as I show up and I
Speaker 1: do what I'm supposed to do. However you choose the
Speaker 1: whatever decision you made, I'm a right with it. Goddamn
Speaker 1: you did what I'm saying, my brother salute brothers? Was
Speaker 1: the moment in the music industry when you realized this
Speaker 1: ain't all the track? Oh yeah? What was that moment
Speaker 1: like for you when it hit the realization? And I
Speaker 1: hit that realization, bro, it was was it was? It
Speaker 1: was scary, you know, because I think once I got
Speaker 1: to that realization that you know, I came into the
Speaker 1: game as a as a you know, young buck. I
Speaker 1: was eighteen nineteen years old, knowing that I didn't acquire
Speaker 1: much about the business, knowing that I didn't ask to
Speaker 1: really see certain things, knowing that I was um, I
Speaker 1: didn't have it on any insight about what budgeting was
Speaker 1: for me, Knowing that I didn't have you know, I
Speaker 1: was just the workhorse. I didn't, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think that was the thing because I didn't. Once
Speaker 1: I started to put it together, I started to understand
Speaker 1: of like, man, I could be I could be tangled
Speaker 1: into something that I have no idea how to get
Speaker 1: myself out of you know what I'm saying, like, because
Speaker 1: as you started to get older, right, you started to mature,
Speaker 1: and when you're young, you want the money. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. For me, it's like, cool, I want
Speaker 1: to be able to supply you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: provide for my mother because my mother was struggling. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like nobody around her couldn't really
Speaker 1: do anything. So it was like for me, I felt
Speaker 1: like I needed to be the man that step up.
Speaker 1: So in my mind, this money is gonna help. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're young, this money is gonna help provide for
Speaker 1: my family. So you ain't thinking about what that contract
Speaker 1: of what business will look like later on until you
Speaker 1: get older and then started asking questions, right, So I
Speaker 1: think that's when I started to see that, uh you know.
Speaker 1: And then even with politics, I never really liked the
Speaker 1: politics ship in music, you know what I'm saying, um
Speaker 1: in the beginning, But once I learned it, I understood
Speaker 1: it and I respected. But you know when people when
Speaker 1: we say we're brothers and we do certain things, I
Speaker 1: took that to heart because the industry, it's just what
Speaker 1: I started to learn like, oh, when it comes from real,
Speaker 1: come to certain right, one is not bullshit. Everybody ain't real,
Speaker 1: that's what and that's what. And when I let that
Speaker 1: was the toughest part because I'm like, damn, but I
Speaker 1: thought this person not speaking to the people that I
Speaker 1: was close. Just tell you, my brother, but when I send,
Speaker 1: you won't try me. I'm like, damn, but I thought
Speaker 1: we were Okay, I get it, but I and I
Speaker 1: know at that point. But you know, if I would
Speaker 1: have knew in advance, like I could have, I would
Speaker 1: have knew it would expect I could have managed my expectations. Um,
Speaker 1: but that ain't happen. So it's just seeing a little
Speaker 1: shit like that. I'm just like and just ideas that
Speaker 1: people will have, you know what I mean, It could
Speaker 1: just kind of just turn me. Well, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this ain't real logical. This ain't even like I'm like,
Speaker 1: what Nick is doing in this ship, Like you ain't
Speaker 1: trying to become better people? Why we gotta like, am
Speaker 1: I just trapped in being this one person? And I
Speaker 1: gotta beat this person my entire career, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't evolve and grow up and be no. No,
Speaker 1: that's why I went artists a lot of times. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell you the truth. You got it better
Speaker 1: than a lot of people who called the road deal
Speaker 1: or anything or you know, I have to leave every
Speaker 1: established label because they wanted to go on their own.
Speaker 1: A lot of people what they would do is they'll
Speaker 1: become this artist and they'll be and an artist. If
Speaker 1: you complain about your rights and you're an artist, you're problematic, right,
Speaker 1: that's sucked up, that's fucked up, that's funked up. That
Speaker 1: like you know what, I'm glad you put me on.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you put me into place. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that this label helped me out. But look this parting, right,
Speaker 1: can we just correct that? Most people will say, no,
Speaker 1: are you a millionaire? Can you pull up in the
Speaker 1: range of what can you put up in the mayback?
Speaker 1: Can you put up in such? Why do you why
Speaker 1: you need to correct something that you're already good at?
Speaker 1: And it's like, because I don't want to be perfect,
Speaker 1: but I want my ship to be right. But if
Speaker 1: you do that, then you're you're known as a problematic artist.
Speaker 1: Like as you were leaving the are we the best?
Speaker 1: That was you receiving those type of things like what
Speaker 1: people spreading rooms like jay One's or something telling people
Speaker 1: don't with the hood. You know these people? And I
Speaker 1: wasn't leaving. What did you were? Sorry? Where that was
Speaker 1: the beginning? Well, he was a def jam happened in
Speaker 1: the beginning. At some point we moved from def jam.
Speaker 1: Def jam was only my first two projects and then
Speaker 1: we have to cash projects. Those projects got finished with them.
Speaker 1: Because at one point, I'm stoping, You're going right back
Speaker 1: to this. Remember that question. Remember what the question was?
Speaker 1: What was it? Remember? Please? Because I felt like you
Speaker 1: were the face of the weed the best death jam,
Speaker 1: things like did you feel like you want to face
Speaker 1: at that time? Yes? Okay, yes, alright, I did feel
Speaker 1: like that. I always felt like that, right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to that. What was the other
Speaker 1: Guess what was I saying? You know what you were saying? Yea?
Speaker 1: And he was he was saying he fulfilled the death
Speaker 1: jam projects? And when was it that the breakup happens?
Speaker 1: At what point in the business dealings you have another
Speaker 1: is it cash money? At that point we were under
Speaker 1: cash money contract with two people so this is how
Speaker 1: it happened. So originally I started with death Jam, and
Speaker 1: then after Death Jam with the first two albums, I
Speaker 1: ended up moving. Um, we ended up going to Universal,
Speaker 1: which was cash Money, right, cash Money, who got in
Speaker 1: all that other stuff? Right? Um? Then Issue started to
Speaker 1: stir up Cash Money Universal. You remember that when they
Speaker 1: had the issues and just things would just happen when
Speaker 1: you called it, right, I'm calling the melee We always
Speaker 1: you know, even with the label. So it's like you know,
Speaker 1: people trying to just keep you know, keep what they
Speaker 1: can keep type of things. So you know, Brot wanted
Speaker 1: to make his own decision to kind of do his
Speaker 1: own thing, like you know, he wanted to be his
Speaker 1: own independent field. So he wanted to kind of separate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Keli wanted to separate from the Universal Music and kind
Speaker 1: of do something different. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: wanted to be more independent. Okay, is that leaving you
Speaker 1: guys are the label all the artists left behind by
Speaker 1: doing that, Well, he wanted to branch off. So yes,
Speaker 1: it would be like you know, handling this business in
Speaker 1: this way and then taking that you know, your imprint
Speaker 1: and making it independent. And then we were under red
Speaker 1: Sony Red distribution Sony read is when the issue started
Speaker 1: to start stop because I think, like you said, there
Speaker 1: was a certain level I was invested in the way
Speaker 1: the US right. I felt like me and Brod created
Speaker 1: that together. If you were not brand on sleeve, if
Speaker 1: you thought about we the best, you thought about you
Speaker 1: thought about Ace, you thought about calin facts, it wasn't
Speaker 1: one without the other. It's just what it was. You
Speaker 1: feel me. Um So, I felt like it was like
Speaker 1: damon j at one point. That's how I felt, And
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I thought that we were just man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So for me, I had right.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the fact that the decision was made
Speaker 1: without me. I didn't like that the fact that the
Speaker 1: decision was made to part ways from our distribution and
Speaker 1: may not know about it, and you decide solely to
Speaker 1: say we're gonna take this one imprint and go over
Speaker 1: here him and do this granted rightfully, rightfully distribution? Was
Speaker 1: you um mad that you was leaving Universal just because
Speaker 1: we were at we were we were with Universal going
Speaker 1: from Universal to something that's more independent, which you know,
Speaker 1: which was then D. Yeah, it was just the principle
Speaker 1: for me was the fact that I felt like were
Speaker 1: sated this thing together that now we should make all
Speaker 1: the decisions. But this was a decision that I felt
Speaker 1: like I thought we were brothers enough that you would
Speaker 1: come to me about this decision type of thing in
Speaker 1: some way, you know what I mean. And maybe he
Speaker 1: feels wrong that or don't feel the same way that
Speaker 1: that I could even be in a position to say that,
Speaker 1: But I felt like we built this. I contribute out
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I wrapped that ships on
Speaker 1: my skin. I didn't you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: was out here. People knew that. So for me, the
Speaker 1: decision to take it from one thing to another was
Speaker 1: an issue for me, you know, because then I started
Speaker 1: to understand that my it's not about my decision, you know,
Speaker 1: and you I'm sorry to cut you off that no,
Speaker 1: Like he didn't even call you and say listen, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: So this so once he made a decision, it was
Speaker 1: like final with Sony read and it was happening like
Speaker 1: that's when the conversation actually happened, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying with us, And I felt blown away because I
Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't prepared for it. There's ideas and
Speaker 1: there's things that I wanted to do that I felt
Speaker 1: like I needed a major, a major backing to do so,
Speaker 1: you know, And I just think like the decision even
Speaker 1: though for him, yes, it's your brand at the take
Speaker 1: it like he maybe he felt like, well, it's my brand.
Speaker 1: I don't I created it, right, But I feel on
Speaker 1: your in it's like it's impacting your career because only
Speaker 1: because only because the moment this imprint started, which means
Speaker 1: that the moment you knew about it, the hood was
Speaker 1: signed to it and it don't and it existed at
Speaker 1: the point I think you felt like it was created
Speaker 1: around you, not around me. No, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it was created. I feel like I was the first
Speaker 1: representation of that brand of what I'll tell you the
Speaker 1: misunderstanding right there, right Like when you sign an artist,
Speaker 1: it's like signed, it's like signing the baby, right, and
Speaker 1: it's your baby, that's what they say, that's my baby,
Speaker 1: like sometimes right, but as the artist grows, sometimes you
Speaker 1: still give the artist information, you still give them perish,
Speaker 1: but you're not realizing that artists got teeth now and
Speaker 1: the artists actually want doesn't want purists. No More doesn't
Speaker 1: want baby fool and it deserves to say, you know
Speaker 1: what you got be eating chicken? Now, all right, that's cool,
Speaker 1: but why are we eating chicken? Okay? And why do
Speaker 1: you want to change? Why? And that's and that's just
Speaker 1: what it is. I understand his position because it's his comform,
Speaker 1: and as I understand that you you wasn't eating partridge
Speaker 1: no More, right, it was your m at least no,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I get where your
Speaker 1: coming myself too, Like I'm an artist, and that really
Speaker 1: goes with what you're saying. You were the flagship right right,
Speaker 1: And and I'm not saying that I wanted to know
Speaker 1: all the ins and outs of his business or anything.
Speaker 1: I just think just think that anything that affects me
Speaker 1: I should be in part. I should be, you know,
Speaker 1: within that conversation. You know what I'm saying. I just
Speaker 1: think that's right, and I think that's fair, not even
Speaker 1: about being right, I just think that's fair. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you're gonna decide to take that,
Speaker 1: and yo, so I'm just decided to. I'm just sign
Speaker 1: to take I know we were with blog, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna move over. And you know what I'm saying, That
Speaker 1: way we're in it together, right, and that way it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like I'm excluded in that. You can, you
Speaker 1: solely can make these decisions. Now, who in ald mind?
Speaker 1: What does that say about me? If you can just
Speaker 1: decide anytime you want to take this thing and do
Speaker 1: what you want with it. And that was that I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to follow behind and do what you want with
Speaker 1: it too. But one man percent, when you're on Miami Heat,
Speaker 1: you get traded to the next tomorrow, right, and you
Speaker 1: won't have no motherfucker decision on that. Maybe that's really
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you just wanted the
Speaker 1: courtesy is what he wanted, the curt But I just
Speaker 1: don't want to try to say it. Sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: get that courtesy, Like what now official, it's like this,
Speaker 1: you play for the Raptors, You're like only movie. The
Speaker 1: check is still there's But that's what he's likely looking at.
Speaker 1: I'm just being deaf. Was out of right? Look like yo,
Speaker 1: check is still gonna be there. Everything in either way
Speaker 1: how I am and how one built, I respect the decision,
Speaker 1: the decision either way either way I respected it. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I understand that it's about
Speaker 1: it's your thing, it's what you want to do with it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted that, and they're like, I'm gonna hate you.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to have that input of just but
Speaker 1: since I didn't get it's still cool, there's nothing whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's just raised a question in my mind of
Speaker 1: like what maybe you should kind of like start focusing
Speaker 1: on the things that you would really want to like
Speaker 1: and the things that you really want to create and
Speaker 1: really want to bring forth right, because if someone else
Speaker 1: is doing it, like you know, we all want to
Speaker 1: do it. We all want to create and bring a
Speaker 1: certain level of energy and inspiration and motivation into the world,
Speaker 1: into the minds and the hearts of people, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, of course, so it raised that
Speaker 1: opportunity in my mind of like, okay, like you know,
Speaker 1: and I respect that because you know, I'm always if
Speaker 1: I laid my bed, I'm gonna laying it peacefully. You know.
Speaker 1: If I made that bad, I ain't tripping, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, that's just being a real one.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm bouncing around because I'm coming back to
Speaker 1: the I love, yeah, but how much pictures you cash?
Speaker 1: Just like y'all was like like, I'm sorry, back to
Speaker 1: these sessions was crazy. I'm sure you usually speak about
Speaker 1: any thing in the building like come on, how like
Speaker 1: how crazy was it? Like you know what your groupie days?
Speaker 1: My my my groupie days was? It was? It was exciting,
Speaker 1: It was exciting. It was very last for you to
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. It was exciting after now that
Speaker 1: we're not groupies no more because if we're groopy too,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not only massive boobies. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of us act like oh you know, you know
Speaker 1: I was young, Like no, that was ye, Like it's
Speaker 1: exciting and fun, okay, because I respect that. Goddamn it.
Speaker 1: Like the days them ship, it was amazing. It was amazing, bro.
Speaker 1: I love every minute of it because you know, as
Speaker 1: lessons and all of that, you didn't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, I had the studio with your shirt
Speaker 1: off kids. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have them all in
Speaker 1: the studio. We're gonna pack them and we're gonna vibe,
Speaker 1: you know under staying Like the thing about me, I've
Speaker 1: always been a man of respect, I've always treated women
Speaker 1: with the utmost respect. That's how I moved and the people,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's just period, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So even before this, like you know,
Speaker 1: I was never on the wow wow wildness, but I
Speaker 1: was the type of person that I like what I like,
Speaker 1: which means that if I have, like some women that
Speaker 1: I'm involved with or whatever, it's like a few pieces
Speaker 1: that's outstanding, and we take trips and we do flash
Speaker 1: it and then like you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: I rocked with that. I'm the time. I can rock
Speaker 1: with that for a year, two years, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that's just my little thing, you know,
Speaker 1: mean my little shorty or whatever. And then I got
Speaker 1: my other little shorty like type of thing, so that
Speaker 1: was like my field. I got beautiful pieces. That's how
Speaker 1: I am. Detail beautiful pieces. And we're gonna look like
Speaker 1: that Molly involved. You don't ain't dumb money. I ain't
Speaker 1: never do money. This is some ship I heard. I
Speaker 1: heard about the Molly conversation and all that. But right
Speaker 1: now we're looking forward. Me too, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: even to that later that you've never nothing. Just this
Speaker 1: week some pills, uh did some some pergoset before I
Speaker 1: did some uh some adderall um to study right right
Speaker 1: right right do for black people, you know, just super focus,
Speaker 1: super what I'm saying. Like and it's just like so
Speaker 1: say you know you don't have a long day or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know what I'm saying that, like
Speaker 1: you might want to go catch your vibe somewhere. You
Speaker 1: might want to do somewhere, you might want to be
Speaker 1: involved in something. You know what I mean. I feel
Speaker 1: like you have you go, you go half of a
Speaker 1: thirty and know you know you smoke, you want sip
Speaker 1: you a little popular little shot like it's at and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, what's hanning what we're doing? Like like
Speaker 1: you can see ship kinda yea, kinda come right, let's
Speaker 1: just swell. I'm good that really I've never had that.
Speaker 1: And I would just say about the drug thing, just
Speaker 1: don't abuse it. The moment you abuse it abuses you, period.
Speaker 1: That's what I believe in. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: don't do nothing, just don't abuse it, period it because
Speaker 1: you would do you like a holistic nigger right now,
Speaker 1: like you should be meditated and all that ship like
Speaker 1: Buddhist type ship, real ship. That's hard. But I feel
Speaker 1: like you've always been into that. I feel like you've
Speaker 1: always been like a spiritual person. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: there's nothing new, Like I feel like, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you have to say when you were seventeen.
Speaker 1: But I grew up in a church, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. My mom brought me up in the church,
Speaker 1: so we were Christianity and all of that. I was
Speaker 1: always I'm always a man of faith, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, so I've always leaned on my faith
Speaker 1: in any time things get uncertain for me. That has
Speaker 1: always brought me clarity. So um, I trusted that and
Speaker 1: from that in terms of from that Christianity that inspired
Speaker 1: him to like my spirituality and you know that ties
Speaker 1: and also with my wife and my lifestyle and stuff.
Speaker 1: So and just like my fitness, my health ship too.
Speaker 1: Just exploring all of that is what really took me there.
Speaker 1: So there's never been a time where your faith wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about No, I'm not talking about life. It's
Speaker 1: about the music business. Because a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: understand how hard it is in this music business. This
Speaker 1: is this is like, you know, this is hard, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Ever, like like it was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is it for me? Yeah? Yeah, bro, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think like I felt like that after my second album,
Speaker 1: like Ship got real for me at that time. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I felt like, man, like I
Speaker 1: don't know because I was still new to the game
Speaker 1: before all of that. You know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: was I was really me just like I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out and taking care of my family
Speaker 1: living in the condo space, man, trying to pay my
Speaker 1: bills and Ship and I you know, and at that point,
Speaker 1: like call on the road and they're doing their thing,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like you gotta make it hit.
Speaker 1: You gotta do something that, you know, impress me. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was that type of energy.
Speaker 1: So I just didn't know whether or not I could.
Speaker 1: I'm saying because I think you took I think you
Speaker 1: described the hustle hard. Now, I think this is where
Speaker 1: we're going, right, So you're saying that at that time
Speaker 1: that's fully inspired that record was because that was a
Speaker 1: low point in your life into that yeah, anyone is
Speaker 1: just that. H I feel like it wasn't just that
Speaker 1: time neither to you know what I'm saying. Like, it
Speaker 1: was also even I feel like the time of uh
Speaker 1: separating two, you know what I'm saying, of trying to
Speaker 1: think to myself of like, you know, what would it
Speaker 1: look like being independent? You know, and if I could
Speaker 1: really rise to the occasion of being an independent artist,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was definitely times
Speaker 1: that will pop in the moments that I would be like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: like you know, because it's difficult, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: but yes, to go to to to jump back, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the hustle hard time. Let me just tell
Speaker 1: you something. I looked at YouTube comments hw SO hard video.
Speaker 1: They blamed at least three d artists. I'm still in
Speaker 1: your flow, M Like I'm talking about it's even UK
Speaker 1: dudes on there saying, man, everyone in the Americans like
Speaker 1: Ace Foot, I'm like, Tip Westwood every round, let me
Speaker 1: rude about it from Thunder Shutout. Yeah, I'm sorry it
Speaker 1: was terrible, but like I really looked at that and
Speaker 1: it brought me to a Tim Westwood interview with you,
Speaker 1: and it just kept going, people saying how so hard
Speaker 1: Like for lack of a better phrase right now, lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, is like the Megos flow, like
Speaker 1: how everyone sounds like the Megos and everyone. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that that's what everyone was saying about you with
Speaker 1: hustle off. I didn't realize that. I'm sure you've noticed
Speaker 1: that because I've seen the interviews like, yeah, they're all
Speaker 1: but my ship. That's the that's the honest truth, brom,
Speaker 1: and honest you know that. It's it's flattering to be honest.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Uh, But I think I
Speaker 1: was so in my zone at that time that I
Speaker 1: didn't always fully realize. But people from the outside would
Speaker 1: always come up to me, Yo, bro, this bro, this
Speaker 1: person sound like you. Why they doing that at jump
Speaker 1: flowing that like that's your flow. But if we're being honest, bro,
Speaker 1: first of all, nothing new around the sun, but nothing
Speaker 1: new on this earth what I'm saying, So it's like
Speaker 1: we all inspired by somebody you know. So, Uh, I
Speaker 1: never took ownership of a float, but but did I
Speaker 1: hear um? Did I inspire a generation? For sure? For sure?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying like with that flow and
Speaker 1: then with that cadence on hustle hard. But I knew
Speaker 1: I did because I knew before and this is this
Speaker 1: is no lie. When I went before I even wrote
Speaker 1: the record, bro, I told myself when I heard just
Speaker 1: the instrumental, I said, if I can, if I can
Speaker 1: create a flow that's different on here, it's gonna change
Speaker 1: the game. I swear the guy and I in the studio,
Speaker 1: and I had that. I went in the booth with
Speaker 1: that intention to change the game, not meaning that the
Speaker 1: game is gonna change. Copying you, you didn't know that far.
Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew that the flow was new
Speaker 1: to to what was out because I would always I
Speaker 1: was always that type of artist. I always wanted to
Speaker 1: recreate myself, which is why every time you would hear
Speaker 1: a new ace Hood record, you would always be like
Speaker 1: this again, back how that verse go, that's how that's that?
Speaker 1: Uh same it's different verse, the same most ship, just
Speaker 1: a different day. I hit trying to get it, and
Speaker 1: my daughter had just got so all of this is real. Hustle, hustle,
Speaker 1: hustle outside August. Uh you got that. That's years ago.
Speaker 1: When I'm saying you can't cars man. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: oh man, that flow though we were pulling up, pull
Speaker 1: it up as come on, surprised me blowing up already
Speaker 1: to I ain't gonna last night before we did we
Speaker 1: rocket pistol off from my pocket and get the shock.
Speaker 1: Its ain't got time to be shopping, like to say.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, uh yeah, connected to the
Speaker 1: reut tooth things. But you take that at the time
Speaker 1: that we're gonna we're gonna pay it. We're gonna pay
Speaker 1: you that jam to use this magic. God, Yeah, that's it,
Speaker 1: really okay Cooke bro oh different day, feed h I
Speaker 1: got my mocket. Even at that hearing that rope over
Speaker 1: up on my low Joe. He's whipping that lowco Who
Speaker 1: the gover? That loco? How better fucking I know? So
Speaker 1: I think it ain't no doubt about it running around
Speaker 1: with that rocket y'all ol blue him who you know?
Speaker 1: Three meets. I got folks be jumping that time all
Speaker 1: about it. That life. Don't stop the party and JA
Speaker 1: like say you did. Day, Oh my god, I can
Speaker 1: see anybody pitt your ship. Perspect that yo, that is
Speaker 1: that you know listening to it now? I listen to
Speaker 1: it in the way it still sounds great. But it
Speaker 1: still sounds great by the way that's me, but it
Speaker 1: sounds it almost makes you seem like the normal guy.
Speaker 1: Like it anymost makes you seem like you brillanted in
Speaker 1: like if I didn't look at the comments and go
Speaker 1: through the research and all that, like that's probably something
Speaker 1: that would would try to erase you in history. And
Speaker 1: this is actually this is the first. Yes, this is crazy,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Yeah. Some somebody even argue that the
Speaker 1: whole like, I mean, you know, that's that's tedious. I
Speaker 1: know you hustle bad, but let's take you into the shot.
Speaker 1: Let's get up feeling that I claiming another shot that
Speaker 1: the case be Blame it on the alcohol. Man, don't
Speaker 1: worry about you gotta record about it. You got drunk
Speaker 1: about don't work about drunk fat, I don't worry about it. No, no,
Speaker 1: oh COVID Mama, I don't suggest to go. Yeah it
Speaker 1: is yeah, yeah, yeah, COVID. You know it comes from change. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, shot, someone, come on, God damn, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make you claim you'll flow today. I'll drop a show
Speaker 1: like somebody felt pretty hard. I apologize you've got no assurance.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so I know you said you flattered,
Speaker 1: but ween, and you don't have to name the artist,
Speaker 1: you know, I came up with yea, my blow, I've
Speaker 1: seen the y'all was taking the y'all right, right, yaking,
Speaker 1: When was the first time you don't have to name
Speaker 1: the artist if you don't want to, if you if
Speaker 1: you want to to take a shout to his name
Speaker 1: too or whatever. But it was the first time he
Speaker 1: was like, y'all, wow, like I'm making an impact like
Speaker 1: off of that flow along, like you're hearing like somebody
Speaker 1: that you like, and how quickly after you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm a real nigger. So I think that it's only
Speaker 1: to keep it honest because it was only us, really
Speaker 1: us two at that time, like really the me and
Speaker 1: meek situation, that's what everybody what I'm saying, just to
Speaker 1: be honest, I just to address it and face that
Speaker 1: like it was a lot of people were saying that
Speaker 1: in comparison because of the flow that Meet went off
Speaker 1: and use you know what I'm saying, like, so, so
Speaker 1: that's what people was always trying to round it too.
Speaker 1: But Meet, my man, I got nothing but loved meeting right,
Speaker 1: and I was flattered in only that, like you know
Speaker 1: that that's that's I don't know. I just like the
Speaker 1: idea of just contributing. You know what I'm saying this
Speaker 1: hip hop right, I haven't seen a lot of amazing
Speaker 1: ship bro like you know, I mean, like to be
Speaker 1: a part of it, to be in it, Bro, and
Speaker 1: just to contribute something, Uh that ship matters. That's puteful, man.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, because that was
Speaker 1: the one name that kept coming up in the comments
Speaker 1: like meet me, and I never addressed that in the past,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think I tiptoed around that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, for for whatever reasons, um,
Speaker 1: But I guess because I had love for Bro and
Speaker 1: I you know what I mean, I just didn't never
Speaker 1: want to take exactly like and still got so much
Speaker 1: love for bro um and yeah, it's just I just
Speaker 1: ain't never want nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that
Speaker 1: will ever come between us, and no ships like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I see how people play games
Speaker 1: like that and try to would adoption and create issues
Speaker 1: and said that he could have took it personal exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what me always you know, that's
Speaker 1: what I love about me. Me in the beginning, was
Speaker 1: always a fan of me, would always pick me up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: that I always appreciate about bron Didn't you always show
Speaker 1: a love. I'm gonna tell you a friend a problem
Speaker 1: that's your self perform And I'm not a psychiatrist, but
Speaker 1: my man for l sat in the same chair as
Speaker 1: you right like a couple of weeks ago right now
Speaker 1: last week said the same chair as you and y'all
Speaker 1: stuff too much humbleness. M hmm. I believe that in
Speaker 1: some cases it's too much humility, and it's like bust.
Speaker 1: The Ryans told me this a long time ago, But
Speaker 1: what the funk you so humble for him? Like, because
Speaker 1: that's why I am. And he's like, yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: at times when it's not time to be humble, you're
Speaker 1: still there. And I never knew what he talked about.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's I feel like, for for
Speaker 1: real suffering from me, for I couldn't even answer quick
Speaker 1: time or slides. But this is this is a segment
Speaker 1: where well just give you two answers he just give
Speaker 1: both both because he's trying to be too politically direct.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't be to be too politically correct because
Speaker 1: if you're being too politically right, you say that all
Speaker 1: lives matter, and we know that all lives matter, but
Speaker 1: for right now, black lives motherfucking matter. So this is
Speaker 1: the reason why you know what I say, you can't.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You just can't be So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's real, real ship to you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would like I would like you to
Speaker 1: know that because like when I look like, they're like,
Speaker 1: you're the one of the most underrated, underappreciated, don't mcs
Speaker 1: like that's what I'm looking at. It's my jaw, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And there's people that love you,
Speaker 1: like there's a lyricist people, and you gotta claim them back. Bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta let the ball focus. Know. I'm out here, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm out here. I'm alright,
Speaker 1: because it's not It's not like I went and watch
Speaker 1: your interviews and I look and there's not one person
Speaker 1: that can say ace Hood is not a doping See.
Speaker 1: I searched for it. I looked for them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So you think that you was ever
Speaker 1: h a success from your own success, What I mean
Speaker 1: is like you're almost battling yourself. You gotta single that
Speaker 1: went platinum, right Like, there's nothing you can go back
Speaker 1: in the major right now, there's nothing that the impact
Speaker 1: that Bugatti had. And at the time that was like
Speaker 1: like if we were talking about Tea paying earlier and
Speaker 1: God blessed, because I don't want te paying to take
Speaker 1: this in any way shape for my fashion. But future,
Speaker 1: when future got lit, he could have said, pick up
Speaker 1: thinking that I was thinking that, I was thinking that,
Speaker 1: I was thinking I was thinking that, thinking I was
Speaker 1: thinking us and that the ship. After a while he
Speaker 1: was just and like but nobody could give him he
Speaker 1: was And when that ship no God, I mean, moly
Speaker 1: moly mo Like what was that feeling like? Man? That
Speaker 1: ship was like, uh, it was like surreal, bro. First
Speaker 1: of all, she should did that ship in like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I want the studio toge. And you know, Kalid master motivator,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he in there speech,
Speaker 1: he gave a speech. He gave you. The speech is over.
Speaker 1: Don't matter who you are. He gave you the speech
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you see to get in that bad
Speaker 1: And I love that because like that that made me
Speaker 1: stick to always a standard of just you gotta be
Speaker 1: if not rewriting. You know what I'm saying that I
Speaker 1: know what that moment you heard the beat, you had
Speaker 1: your rhys already or no, no, no, I didn't have
Speaker 1: my rhymes already. So I walk in. It's just before
Speaker 1: I didn't Mike Will. Mike Will made it. So you
Speaker 1: walk into the here and to beat for the first time.
Speaker 1: I walk into here and to beat for the first time.
Speaker 1: I'm at the studio, pull up, yo, and I know
Speaker 1: them calls Yo, I'm at the studio where you were
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, just no movie. I
Speaker 1: beat that in a minute. Yeah you got super and
Speaker 1: yeah I got Okay, I beat it. I didn't he
Speaker 1: was I didn't know he was there. Cool. Yeah I
Speaker 1: met future before, so me and future so boom walk
Speaker 1: in the studio Future when we chop it up? Manki
Speaker 1: that we chop it up? So he and there he
Speaker 1: don't even play the music yet. And then he gave
Speaker 1: me the speech of all speeches, like, Yo, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the biggest record ever. This ship is gonna be
Speaker 1: number one. This ship is gonna be They don't got
Speaker 1: no lyrics on it, no lyrics. I think that it
Speaker 1: is powerful in terms of manifestation. That's why I like,
Speaker 1: you feel meal that shouldn't get you goose bump. I
Speaker 1: know it. Nothing's happy yet, I know it. You feel me.
Speaker 1: So in my mind, I'm just like, all right, play
Speaker 1: the b A should come on. I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this ship it is that. I already knew what I
Speaker 1: was going Ill. Norm will come on there and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna deliver. He give me the tall Like, yo, this
Speaker 1: gotta be. You gotta write that, you gotta talk that
Speaker 1: and your future. I need that. I need nothing but
Speaker 1: that legend there. I need that anthem. I need that big.
Speaker 1: I need that movie. I need that. I need that
Speaker 1: number one. I need that. That's what we're gonna feel
Speaker 1: me A lot of people who know this is hip
Speaker 1: hop dudes and baseball players. We do that. That's that's
Speaker 1: out of the part. Maybe that's to the audience. That's
Speaker 1: that's to the audience, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that go ahead, boom so after that like future that
Speaker 1: he you know he played a beat, running back played again,
Speaker 1: Boom played again. He said, all ready, Bro, walk in
Speaker 1: the booth and he's just tampering with the ship. Bro.
Speaker 1: Eight seconds of that bitch, come on, come looking for
Speaker 1: you with Hey. I couldn't look at hold on, hold
Speaker 1: on back and then he did it again. He was
Speaker 1: like and then guy was like, Yo, stopped. It's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's it, that's it, Yo. Keep that right there, don't
Speaker 1: stop like you know. So we moved forward. Boom okay cool.
Speaker 1: So future in there he's doing the ship alright, I
Speaker 1: got you. He did that ship, Bro, and it was
Speaker 1: like perfect, it was perfect, Bro. He did it, man,
Speaker 1: I know, and that ship Bro. And it was after
Speaker 1: that it was just like say lest you don't need
Speaker 1: to say nothing. And Bro just came out literally about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and I was like, yeah that yeah, that
Speaker 1: ship that's gonna go. I'm gonna keep it real. I
Speaker 1: went to scot Story see mm hmm. Man. I never
Speaker 1: kne where the until your record. I don't just thought
Speaker 1: that was a cool. I thought it was an autie
Speaker 1: suped up Bro. We didn't think it all the way through. Bro,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it. Bro. They kept telling me it's
Speaker 1: just two million ILLI know about Bugatti. When the Bugatti
Speaker 1: record hit, I went to everywhere I tried around the world.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew, That's what I'm trying to say. Nobody knew
Speaker 1: around you in the same building. And I didn't really
Speaker 1: technically know that that was a two million dollar call.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm like, if I would have knew,
Speaker 1: we would have reached out the Bugatti or something on
Speaker 1: some real ship. Bro. People trying to say, you resout
Speaker 1: to Bugatti prior until you dropping the record, prior or
Speaker 1: thinking about today, and it was like yeah or something,
Speaker 1: because like so bro, people went out and bought more Bugatti's.
Speaker 1: Once once people started to get familiar with the thing,
Speaker 1: you go out and buy more of them, and people
Speaker 1: start you started seeing them, right, oh, this person, that person,
Speaker 1: Like everybody started, why do you think things just happened
Speaker 1: became and like, you know what I'm saying, that's another
Speaker 1: thing of like I'm just happy to be a part
Speaker 1: of the conversation, man, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: so what did you think? Like, because like when he's
Speaker 1: start with that, I lost my mind when he did
Speaker 1: that ship because he ain't expected because it was It
Speaker 1: was totally left from what the song was. He come in,
Speaker 1: I come looking and feel your way. You're what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: that's it crazy and you're going to the let's go
Speaker 1: we have and the drink and I'm what drinking? I'm
Speaker 1: drinking in the shop. But you all like god, you
Speaker 1: cant telling you sorry? Out of nowhere? How run the
Speaker 1: boof Like I'm like, man, I'm gon want it. Let's
Speaker 1: be really curt a wrinkle. I won't call it a game.
Speaker 1: Both creek say what you want? You don't like I
Speaker 1: I'm looking with your way, I say injun, come no, guy,
Speaker 1: come listen. I've never seen like I went to a
Speaker 1: club so belod one time. One time. It's just one
Speaker 1: time that might tell your type of characters smell. I
Speaker 1: was like you, he might tell you let you know
Speaker 1: with the guy. But when I go to one of
Speaker 1: my own means the guy guys he asked me for
Speaker 1: like on the bus, I said, no problem, they gave
Speaker 1: it to them day Z song. Come on, he'd be like,
Speaker 1: what's fifty grand to a nigg like me? Keep was
Speaker 1: he in this room? Kind of relax? What's you seeing like?
Speaker 1: People like that with the bo guys like like coming
Speaker 1: up to you like, oh yeah really but some of
Speaker 1: these guys really did have them. Yeah, some of them did.
Speaker 1: Yeah they did, Like a lot of them obviously didn't.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, man, I had ICs coming up
Speaker 1: to me. I have bot, I got boodle, dude, like
Speaker 1: I put just something I got that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So or just people who just you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I love that record. It makes
Speaker 1: me feel so empowered, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: and in the idea, So and I love that recommend
Speaker 1: because like I felt like my homies, I felt like
Speaker 1: it though my homie is gonna be proud of that
Speaker 1: ship too. I gonna looking for you. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: because it's really like it, you know, it's really really
Speaker 1: like that. So I don't know, I just I just
Speaker 1: love that. Um forget what I was gonna say, and
Speaker 1: that should just hit crazy in the club. Yeah crazy yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the idea behind the Bugatti waking up in
Speaker 1: the Bugatti, you know what I'm saying, Like because I didn't, right,
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, it was just whatever was
Speaker 1: that thing that you felt like you worked hard for
Speaker 1: and to me, the Bugghatti represented that at that particular time.
Speaker 1: It's just that thing that I hope to have that hit,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like that gift that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that just that was like that that
Speaker 1: staff in the ground for me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And like it could be anything. That could be that
Speaker 1: new whip, with that new career, with that new job
Speaker 1: that you got. Like, so that's how that was my
Speaker 1: perspective and the idea behind waking up in the guy.
Speaker 1: It's like if I wake up in that new house
Speaker 1: that I love that I bought, Like, I'm gonna feel
Speaker 1: that same way. Got legend Gary albums, but those two
Speaker 1: legend after those never gonna die, Like would be a
Speaker 1: barbecue in Grandmothers. I'm saying, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, I
Speaker 1: don't do those records going ever never ever, never, Brover.
Speaker 1: How does it feel to have like most people can't
Speaker 1: ever have one? What we're gonna ever have none? You know?
Speaker 1: And then they're considered legends, but you're going the club,
Speaker 1: their music will never play, Like, how does it feel
Speaker 1: to have one? Ship? They feel good? Bro that ship
Speaker 1: is it's a blessing man, it's a blessing, bro. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to be able to have a voice
Speaker 1: of platform to like to speak to people down. So
Speaker 1: I just that ship is just beautiful. And we got
Speaker 1: more and it ain't just those. You know, we got
Speaker 1: top ten, top five records, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We got Chris Brown, what I'm saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we got we out chill with me and Wayne, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, So it's, um, we just
Speaker 1: got a lot of great records. And I'm just that's
Speaker 1: why I'm trying to say, you're almost uh uh failure
Speaker 1: to your own success because they which want other people
Speaker 1: won't compare and those because those two are so impactful.
Speaker 1: It's just like never, like where do you go from there?
Speaker 1: I got superdut what what what? What? And I got Homeboy.
Speaker 1: I can't I don't matter what I could do whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna top though, Yeah, yeah, I don't give
Speaker 1: it for I can make a record right now fifty
Speaker 1: times better than that. This fucking twenty fans from twenty
Speaker 1: years ago to say it ain't better than nothing, it
Speaker 1: ain't better than you know what I'm saying, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: what you gotta do with that, like no, yes and no. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the thing about that which is very interesting is
Speaker 1: that I got records now as an independent artist that
Speaker 1: people react to bigger and Bugatti on my sets, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that we're talking about huge crowds,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't really believe in that notion,
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think because people like to
Speaker 1: think just because it may not be on or they
Speaker 1: may not hear it on the radio or anything like that,
Speaker 1: that it might not be having steam or it might
Speaker 1: not be doing this thing I've been in my section
Speaker 1: in the world and in my world like creating real magic.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying through the streams, I'm grazing
Speaker 1: it through the through the streams, through the reactions, through
Speaker 1: the bookings, you know what I'm saying through uh, just
Speaker 1: the interest in terms of things that I'm involved in,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's because of these records that's that's
Speaker 1: really moving to people and stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like, yeah, on one end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum, it's like people can want, people do want
Speaker 1: like those old to people like because me, I've understood
Speaker 1: that I'm no longer who I used to be, and
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that and I've made peace with that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm becoming. I'm a man now, I'm
Speaker 1: not just you know what I mean, Like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: much more man. I'm a I'm a father, my husband,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, um, I understand that that's gonna
Speaker 1: be people that appreciate that that person you feel me like,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be and that's cool. But also like
Speaker 1: there's gonna also be people that appreciate that new being
Speaker 1: and that new person. So that's what's happening now. Like
Speaker 1: you got some people that might want to hear those
Speaker 1: records and think like oh, but then there's records that
Speaker 1: I could perform like a wee ball that I gout
Speaker 1: or something like that, like he's a pout, Like records
Speaker 1: that I just put real ship on, you know, and
Speaker 1: I performing and the ships do well. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you who's the Who's an artist that wanted to work
Speaker 1: with you? And yea high like you never you never
Speaker 1: story like when it was Highlight you said, get you
Speaker 1: know what somebody that he was like wow that I
Speaker 1: was surprised that I worked with or they wanted to
Speaker 1: work with you. Maybe maybe he didn't work with them
Speaker 1: highlight Wow almost m made. Oh this is just the arm.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I mean for me, from being honest,
Speaker 1: working with Wayne was crazy. Wasn't the one who said it?
Speaker 1: What might feel from telling me Jo, tell me what
Speaker 1: kind of weed this is? Because this she gotta me
Speaker 1: highs Hell, I don't know what it is. Gas truck
Speaker 1: blowing it up. We might go backy in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: But Wayne, let's go to the bro. Wayne Bro, Wayne
Speaker 1: just the elliest nigger man. You just grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: inspired by Wayne Bro. You know, motivated a couple of
Speaker 1: records with the missed out like one. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta we out to join it. We got to
Speaker 1: hustle hard joining we gotta. I think we need like
Speaker 1: another record too, yeah yeah. But working with him, man,
Speaker 1: it was just like to me that had been like
Speaker 1: the biggest dream come true. Obviously growing up on him
Speaker 1: and you know what we're from, Carter one was everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Carter one was like the
Speaker 1: narrative to my whole high school, my whole young young
Speaker 1: teenage days. You did so um to being are working
Speaker 1: with him, man, just just skating. He's skating and righting
Speaker 1: in his mind, you feel me? And uh right, he
Speaker 1: did that same right m hit factory. So we hit
Speaker 1: factory and he you know, he's skating back and forth
Speaker 1: and we just you know, had a little small conversation,
Speaker 1: told the idea of the record and what we wanted
Speaker 1: to do, but just watching him create. Man, I just
Speaker 1: was excited to be in his presence at that moment,
Speaker 1: at that time. What I'm saying, like, um, and to
Speaker 1: see like that I did that on my own, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like I was in the do load,
Speaker 1: like chilling all day with him, just watching but doing
Speaker 1: ship waiting on the record, alright cool when he didn't
Speaker 1: finished it the night, so I'm I'm not gonna have
Speaker 1: to marrow cool. So you know I pulled back up
Speaker 1: the next day and I'm right there again. You feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he really didn't and he was
Speaker 1: like on some like some big broth ship forever. So
Speaker 1: let's do. Let's make some look at that. That's an
Speaker 1: artist who's fucking with you in your highlights. Got even
Speaker 1: Cash heard you say this in an interview the brother talk.
Speaker 1: I'm saying your brother industry ship. Now you on your own,
Speaker 1: not the favorite, not for we the best, not the favorite,
Speaker 1: not for cash money, right solely ace. Come on, come on, somebody,
Speaker 1: how do you think that made me feel? Bro? When
Speaker 1: you think about that, because on some real ship, bro,
Speaker 1: before we get okay, who's keep it real? Like this shot?
Speaker 1: Take the shot? Shot? Want to keep? Yeah? Who's an artist?
Speaker 1: We call and you were like, man, what's up? Bro? Man?
Speaker 1: I need to add to the nurse And they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm in on Australia for two months, Like skip over there?
Speaker 1: Who's that? You? Was like, you're disappointed? Maybe, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just you know what, let me say, ma, I move
Speaker 1: so different or you know what I'm saying like that's
Speaker 1: the only thing about that, But that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: moving different, because it's one thing when you would cash money,
Speaker 1: you would, you would, you would, and then when you're
Speaker 1: on your own, it's really like, maybe what you mean
Speaker 1: someone treated differently? Someone somebody treat me? Yeah, yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: treated you. Somebody would treated me. Disappointed you Uh yeah, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not to the level of disappointed, because I felt like
Speaker 1: it was expected, but for sure I think it's the
Speaker 1: relationships with people that I had. They weren't the same,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like a lot of the
Speaker 1: relations and ships were recommendations to me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I had to get rid of lawyers
Speaker 1: and all type of ship because it was recommended. It
Speaker 1: was in house type ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, I had an identity,
Speaker 1: So it's like I had to create a whole another
Speaker 1: identity outside of that. That's what that was. The different
Speaker 1: thing about me is that coming outside of we the
Speaker 1: best was like, Okay, y'all know me for that, But
Speaker 1: I'm a new I'm a new being outside of this thing.
Speaker 1: I got to create a new met Because I want
Speaker 1: you to keep it right, Who's art is that you
Speaker 1: worked with? When when you that you wanted to work
Speaker 1: with now and you can't get a hold of if
Speaker 1: somebody got there, Chris Chris yaw are you gonna ask him?
Speaker 1: And but this was not like it's not the most
Speaker 1: but but it ain't the most like recent thing, but
Speaker 1: it was like a record, you know, right, It was
Speaker 1: a record that actually a smash record. And I still
Speaker 1: haven't I hadn't released it, but it was like, uh,
Speaker 1: I thought about three or four years ago I was
Speaker 1: trying to put out but I just for some reason
Speaker 1: couldn't get in contact with him. But through the grape vine,
Speaker 1: I just heard that there might be uh a little
Speaker 1: bit of discomfort from that end situation that I wasn't
Speaker 1: fully aware of. Spicking side not so much of that
Speaker 1: is it was an incident that happened years ago of
Speaker 1: him wanted me to be a part of a record
Speaker 1: of just by hearsay that he wanted me to be
Speaker 1: a part of a record and thought that like I
Speaker 1: didn't you know, and I never came through to do
Speaker 1: the record. I wasn't interested in doing the record. That
Speaker 1: that's never true. That's why around everything, I think you
Speaker 1: like he was on a toy or something like that,
Speaker 1: Like I just could for some reason energetically, it just
Speaker 1: felt like I couldn't reach him in some way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm like hitting him on the
Speaker 1: d M type ship like no response type, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like that type of field. So uh rightfully,
Speaker 1: so I could have went deeper, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And holiday, you know, I feel like a highlight the
Speaker 1: people around him and all and they you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, people give you the little
Speaker 1: run around type. Yeah, hit him through the you know,
Speaker 1: and make sure, you know, tap into the type ship.
Speaker 1: So it was like one of those as opposed to
Speaker 1: just you as man's you can just tell him you
Speaker 1: feel me. So it was the little little things like
Speaker 1: that that I started noticing or whatever. Um, but that's
Speaker 1: probably like the most recent you know, the only thing
Speaker 1: that's happened, not the most recently. The only thing is
Speaker 1: to meet a lot of artists from me and I
Speaker 1: work with a lot of people too, So coming coming
Speaker 1: out of it, I wouldn't really try. I wouldn't really
Speaker 1: a shot. Like, look, I don't know, people, come on, man,
Speaker 1: please running on me. I just episodes. I probably said
Speaker 1: it already, so like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want you to tell your story. Man,
Speaker 1: I really do I feel you. I feel you. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't all right, okay, okay, alrite I write boom boom.
Speaker 1: If we're keeping it G and we're keeping honest, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he said that. So if we
Speaker 1: if we're being honest, bro, if we're keeping the G,
Speaker 1: you know that was you know, bro, like that was
Speaker 1: like weird energy coming from the other side, you know,
Speaker 1: like that was real people trying to stop me from
Speaker 1: prosper prospering on the side of like my old label
Speaker 1: on some g ship. I ain't gonna say names or whatever,
Speaker 1: but me trying to like you know, I'm paying for
Speaker 1: radio and me trying to put my record through on radio,
Speaker 1: getting his service thro radio, Like then he's trying to
Speaker 1: undercut me beginning like yeah, I felt like not even
Speaker 1: felt that's that's what we're happening that ship, that's what
Speaker 1: we're popping. You were trying to like finish me for real.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt. That's how I took it personally,
Speaker 1: And that was that was my energy, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I was on that type of ship
Speaker 1: of just like because that's what it is. That's what
Speaker 1: niggas do, like you know, and um, it's like anything.
Speaker 1: And it's like when you're trying to create some ship
Speaker 1: for yourself, like why I gotta be a problem, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like and and for me, I
Speaker 1: got I had an issue with that, bro, Like I
Speaker 1: don't don't stop me if you gonna stop me from
Speaker 1: trying to feed my family. I gotta issue. That means
Speaker 1: you can't really exist the way you want to exist.
Speaker 1: If I can't, if I can't feed my family, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem for people, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So for me, once it start, once that started happening,
Speaker 1: like I got into that mode, and that's when she
Speaker 1: started moving and people started kind of the fall back,
Speaker 1: and you know, ship started to move a little bit
Speaker 1: faster with some shirts, certain ships. So but I I
Speaker 1: want with that ship, bro, I went with that. You
Speaker 1: feel me. I'm gonna tell you one time about artists,
Speaker 1: particularly man Solo hit me just now. He hits you
Speaker 1: right now, the artist like get that. But once one
Speaker 1: time you know I'm cold, hm, but you know I'm
Speaker 1: in all right, So I want to do a record
Speaker 1: with Big Sean. This when you're living in Kendall already
Speaker 1: I'm already left kindle Okay, by the way, Eddie lives
Speaker 1: with me, him and Script TV. They go walk my
Speaker 1: draws and but let me just I'm good good. But
Speaker 1: and maybe I maybe I went through the wrong people
Speaker 1: to go to Big Sean, because because when I've seen
Speaker 1: him later on in life. He acted like he really
Speaker 1: didn't understand. But I'm I'm cold and ship, but I'm
Speaker 1: still norry. I feel like, yo, who I am? So
Speaker 1: I can't reach him direct. I see him in a
Speaker 1: Shawan Chris Concers Shawan Chris concert. Forget who else has
Speaker 1: Big Sean is on there? I think while is on there?
Speaker 1: So I said new Jersey, New Jersey for me, that's
Speaker 1: Robard County for Miami. They go, oh, it's all day
Speaker 1: at it got it next joint. Oh, So I pulled up.
Speaker 1: I see him myself. I give Big Sean the CD,
Speaker 1: but I get it. You're coming off stage. You know,
Speaker 1: whoop the whoop. But what happened was I hit a
Speaker 1: guy named Mike Brinkley. I remember it because I remember
Speaker 1: everybody in front of me. I'll give you that. Mike
Speaker 1: Bringer he works in rock Nation right now. He knows
Speaker 1: he cannot destroy this story. I'm following over Mike Bribbley.
Speaker 1: I followed uver Myke Briley used to cut here. He's
Speaker 1: just a barber. He still he used to beat nas
Speaker 1: barbera and then I think at one point he is
Speaker 1: my brober. So I'm like, damn, you go from the
Speaker 1: barber to Big Shaws managing, you're not even answering my
Speaker 1: call like this is real. So bottom line, I never
Speaker 1: got the record through with Big Sean. I never got
Speaker 1: a response. I never got an answer back, never got
Speaker 1: nothing right to me. That's this respect. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: big time. That's justpect right. You a little shop this
Speaker 1: so this shop and disrespect and come on, bro, like
Speaker 1: like I done. I don't got no problem with Big Sean.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you what happened one day like
Speaker 1: tho's exactly that we outside as we usually be. Shawn
Speaker 1: sees us in town, walks up to me since y'all
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, says, no, you're not. I'm a lying.
Speaker 1: Even my wife with them me like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like I was like, no, you're not. Like this is
Speaker 1: now drift chances work. This is a different thing. Let's
Speaker 1: said he wanted to get a drink chance or nothing.
Speaker 1: But Bro, I came to you. I brough to your people's.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna blame his people's more than I'm gonna
Speaker 1: blame that because I can tell from his reaction he
Speaker 1: was not prepared. He did not know about all these
Speaker 1: calls I'm an artist too, but he remembered that c handle.
Speaker 1: There's no way you don't remember me handing you that scene.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why I didn't connect with the five connected.
Speaker 1: You never connected. Oh I'm sorry, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is a private instant, that's a real ship blowing up.
Speaker 1: I apologize that I'm a fan of that, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to do a song too. That's I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of you, so obviously I'm a fan of I'm
Speaker 1: nothing's gonna take away from me being a fan of
Speaker 1: you as an artist. But I thought has his reaction.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan of him as a person. You understand,
Speaker 1: it's a shot. Let's take a shot. But that looses
Speaker 1: you up because God bless, God bless and I want
Speaker 1: to you know, here's a disclaimer. He's a disclaim right
Speaker 1: that comes with that exact right. Bad. Maybe that incident
Speaker 1: not him, because you know he's great. He doesn't give
Speaker 1: a was I kid one way or another? And I
Speaker 1: you know it's doesn't really I'm sure he does care
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't mean I would hope for
Speaker 1: who he is now who he is, you know, God
Speaker 1: bless him. Man, You know, I really am because sometimes
Speaker 1: the team does get in the way. I feel like
Speaker 1: he was the team because of Christ and I should have.
Speaker 1: I should have, I should have you know, but you
Speaker 1: didn't hand him the CD. No, I did have him
Speaker 1: to see at this, at this wisdems crazy, let's big
Speaker 1: up the limit. He called him and reached out in right,
Speaker 1: you know, his team. But that's how I do. I
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying, like you his direct team. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why, this is the reason why he knew
Speaker 1: I want when I said, because I don't don't remember
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen tomorrow, like I'm you know, when I
Speaker 1: said Mike Brinkley, and he looked, he put his head
Speaker 1: down like whoa. It's either he remembered that time that
Speaker 1: he was dealing with Mike Brinkley or he remembered that
Speaker 1: might Brinkley reached out. So it's either I don't I can't.
Speaker 1: But bottom line, well, as I got fronted on and
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait wait wait that incident stopped you from
Speaker 1: front on the next person. Na. I'll judge every character,
Speaker 1: but I don't think let me just be clear, because
Speaker 1: we made this about him, but I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a bad person. I think it was a bad decision
Speaker 1: made about both of us and it and it had
Speaker 1: to be. But would that make me front of somebody else?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't let me clarify this question, sir.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like, have you ever felt that you might
Speaker 1: have done that to somebody else? Yeah? Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: were mixed by mistake though it's been clearly But me personally,
Speaker 1: my son, a person names him, I would be like, yo,
Speaker 1: did my bad, especially if I'm a fan of the person,
Speaker 1: because that's what he came up to me and said that.
Speaker 1: He would have said, Yo, what's something I'm doing? Good
Speaker 1: to meet you? I would have gave my five and
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think it's good to meet me
Speaker 1: before you know what I'm like, and I would have
Speaker 1: remembered you know what I mean. But he didn't say that.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, it's up, bro, I'm a big fan,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, you are not, which I
Speaker 1: can't expect that too loud. I just say there. I
Speaker 1: said it enough for my knicks to be like, what
Speaker 1: the fund is he doing? But they just say, it's like,
Speaker 1: man that forever side, I'm want to do what we
Speaker 1: couldn't do, And his security looked like what like it was.
Speaker 1: It was weird because it's twenty six of us clearly
Speaker 1: it's twenties. The securities him and two securities. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just expect. I'm just I'm not. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: no beef sh it at all. It wasn't no beef.
Speaker 1: It was just like, yo, bro, So I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you had to go through something after at a little
Speaker 1: bit of we bat like you wanted to make a
Speaker 1: new not when no artists, bro, not with no artists,
Speaker 1: because I had to recreate myself. I needed people to
Speaker 1: see me in in a in a different like on
Speaker 1: my own, you know what I mean, and get used
Speaker 1: to what that looked like. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: and I think that's so it's just me. It was
Speaker 1: just thin I'm saying. I'm like I did like like
Speaker 1: but it was like I don't. I don't had the
Speaker 1: opportunity in the platform to do so many features and
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that, like, because the talk back then
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, you can't do you can't make
Speaker 1: it head without the feature. That's the stigmas that looked
Speaker 1: over that orse they trying to but I don't pay
Speaker 1: you know, I know I do me and I know
Speaker 1: him to get down when it's trying to get down whatever.
Speaker 1: So so for me, like that's what it was. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, man, I need to like people to see
Speaker 1: me in a different light because I'm a different being
Speaker 1: with a different person and more elevated and more leveled up.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, people need to understand who this person
Speaker 1: is now. That way they can learn and learn to
Speaker 1: understand the individual, and then we're gonna pay it back
Speaker 1: the features, like we're doing present moment. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Feel like your early career was built off
Speaker 1: of you with somebody else because you got cold creating
Speaker 1: these records and creating these moments. I said, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know, but I just want to go back to it.
Speaker 1: And just like, because this is a big gym for artists,
Speaker 1: like for you to recreate yourself on your own without
Speaker 1: any features, Like how difficult did you feel that was?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's humbling because you're ego would tell
Speaker 1: you the feature didn't matter. That's what that's what I'm
Speaker 1: actually in a different way that he said no artist
Speaker 1: front and that's what I was saying. I gonna say
Speaker 1: it like yeah, just because after that point, I didn't
Speaker 1: reach out to no big artist. I just reached out
Speaker 1: to the people that had relationships with or that you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like that was only is so
Speaker 1: I kind of stayed in a certain lane. I didn't
Speaker 1: really try to go above that type of thing, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like and I went into that, I went
Speaker 1: into it with expectation. If I did go I would
Speaker 1: know in my mind, alright, what they may charge me
Speaker 1: or what they so, you know, because I had to
Speaker 1: put on the business pad again, I'm rebuilt it at
Speaker 1: this point. I'm learning business, you know, I'm learning finances.
Speaker 1: I'm learning, you know, just about myself, who in my
Speaker 1: outside of music, who outside of ace hood, Like I'm
Speaker 1: learning my I'm learning how to be a man for
Speaker 1: real all of Again. I feel like I was coming
Speaker 1: from a world that allowed me to be a child,
Speaker 1: that allowed me to you know, not take responsibility of
Speaker 1: some of my choices and decisions and just like allow
Speaker 1: it to fall through the crack, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like allowed me to or a little bit with I
Speaker 1: r S. I allowed me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: just that little ship right there. And it's like I
Speaker 1: had to big switch all that over and find healthy pieces,
Speaker 1: healthy pieces around me that's gonna help me flourish. And
Speaker 1: it's like now that I've built that, that that infrastructure
Speaker 1: is like, that's what's helped me sustain, you know, during
Speaker 1: my independent journey. So and that's was a part of
Speaker 1: my recreation. It was everything outside of the music, my accounting,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, finding a new pr you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, which you're still music, but finding
Speaker 1: a good manager, you know what I'm saying, Finding a
Speaker 1: good business manager. You know what I'm saying, Like you
Speaker 1: gotta handle your business. I had to put on that hat,
Speaker 1: which was scary as fun because it's like Nigga, I
Speaker 1: came from where I had a bunch of people around
Speaker 1: doing everything. Ain't have to do nothing. My homie, he
Speaker 1: gonna handle that, he gonna do that. I got a problem,
Speaker 1: my dog that I knew what it called, Like I
Speaker 1: gotta do it leaves me and my hands are free,
Speaker 1: like now with changes to where on my table like,
Speaker 1: so I ain't reach out to know other artists cause
Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't gonna pay you niggas that first
Speaker 1: of all, because I'm independent and ship different, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, but I ain't had no body
Speaker 1: to the front of me like that. I'm gonna smoke
Speaker 1: that ship, drink, hold on, hold on, you gotta stay
Speaker 1: here for this one happen to have. So I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this is this is you know, this is yours? Because
Speaker 1: so what is your? What do you like? Oh? Jeeus?
Speaker 1: You want our opinions first before you asser this? Yes,
Speaker 1: I do. I just say that being independent, you control
Speaker 1: you own. There's a better legacy there, I feel. And
Speaker 1: then major no explanations really like would you like more
Speaker 1: independence or it's never true independence. I prefer a team
Speaker 1: you know, um connection with destro He did what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But in terms of everything, I like independence. Why because
Speaker 1: I like ownership. I like owning my master's I like
Speaker 1: owning my ship. I like owning my publishing. I like
Speaker 1: owning all my rights and ship. I like getting the largest,
Speaker 1: the larger percentage of my business splits for my royal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my family were from the crack one you feel me,
Speaker 1: But I mean, God is good man. But I prefer
Speaker 1: independent because right like, I'm the happiest I've ever been
Speaker 1: whirled because I'm free. Nobody owned me, nobody, nothing I got,
Speaker 1: I got my mom scra got to do. I don't
Speaker 1: want for them good and I can you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I constructure my ship to fit the major's
Speaker 1: a little bit. You could be on a major and
Speaker 1: they don't own you, bro like, I mean, that's very rare.
Speaker 1: That depends on how you come into the major that
Speaker 1: you have to come in, don't you know what. I
Speaker 1: came into a low level and we had what was
Speaker 1: called the Grandfather deal at the end, and that was
Speaker 1: beautiful for me, but they could not do certain things
Speaker 1: to me. Grandfather deal is so I just, I just
Speaker 1: I just want to explain. But that ever matters too,
Speaker 1: that's a different era. I don't Okay, Okay, maybe you
Speaker 1: have a point there. Let me not argue with that there.
Speaker 1: And but let me just tell you something. There is
Speaker 1: a way to be on the major's and still there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being on Have all your integrity have
Speaker 1: I have? I have? I'm not saying it takes away
Speaker 1: integrity I mean it does. I'm just saying, if you
Speaker 1: like to be independent, like you said, oh everything, make
Speaker 1: your own decisions, steer your own ship. But when you're
Speaker 1: on a major, you got execs you gotta talk to,
Speaker 1: you gotta. They're gonna handle how you market yourself, how
Speaker 1: you promoted, when it comes out, how it comes out,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna own them like a bank, like
Speaker 1: you gotta owe them money. That's all alone. And that's
Speaker 1: the difference of the area because in that era there
Speaker 1: was so much money in the industry, but they would
Speaker 1: wash those loans. All right, Cool, don't worry, you don't
Speaker 1: expect anymore, and we'll bring you into time though. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, COOLi cool, you gotta relax them. But no, no,
Speaker 1: sty were here, stay right here, stay right here, stay
Speaker 1: right No, no, this is a difference, right alright. After
Speaker 1: you learned the business, you've satisfied with the record label,
Speaker 1: you do it. It's like it's like, here's the part
Speaker 1: where I wish you would have said either leaving Depth
Speaker 1: Cam or leaving Universe. When your contract is void. You
Speaker 1: could have said, I want to stay with Universal, right,
Speaker 1: or I want to stay with Death Jam. There as
Speaker 1: long as death. Jam is with that that wouldn't have happened,
Speaker 1: though it was why I wouldn't have happened. I would
Speaker 1: like to I would imagine everything you're saying about the
Speaker 1: black balling, It wouldn't have happened. That's what I'm imagining, right,
Speaker 1: because to me, it's like, but it can I've done that,
Speaker 1: can't hand had So you're saying specifically right right right
Speaker 1: the people two many people in the building. Yes, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: yeah and just but but I'm telling you that it
Speaker 1: did happen because I did that with my situation. You
Speaker 1: understand saying I did that in my situation where it
Speaker 1: was like a cool, you're unique, bro, you were signed
Speaker 1: the Rocketfeller without being signed the Rocketfeller. Come on it,
Speaker 1: so you're not the only guy that was on a
Speaker 1: major that that was. I think it's not that you're
Speaker 1: not you You really you're taking what I'm saying and
Speaker 1: going in a different day. Have the independent approach to Look,
Speaker 1: I mean it's look, man, I think that I'm not
Speaker 1: opposed you feel me to to rocking with a major label.
Speaker 1: I think it all depends on like it's just what
Speaker 1: we can agree to. You know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what you're willing to get, what you're willing to be
Speaker 1: flexible with. It's all about a deal. To me, it's
Speaker 1: all with the within the guidelines of the contract. It
Speaker 1: could be major, it could be anything like if if
Speaker 1: it's the right team, it's the right situation, like I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I'm gonna go with it. But it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot determining. That's that type of thing.
Speaker 1: When I'm when I'm really getting your perfect right now,
Speaker 1: everybody is like a little Wayne just sold as masters
Speaker 1: for a hundred man. It's publishing, wasn't it. It's the
Speaker 1: Masters of his It's not even him. He's selling like
Speaker 1: I think his Nicki Mina. It's not even him. And
Speaker 1: you know, these are the focused people in the world
Speaker 1: said disguise signing for I mean, nobody should go in
Speaker 1: the ship they don't really know about you know what.
Speaker 1: It's like. It's like it's like I would never do that.
Speaker 1: I would not because if I'm in that situation, but
Speaker 1: you've never been in that situation, you can't really say that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that absolutely it's like for
Speaker 1: us to zoom the funk out. That's it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take independent on bomb back room break like that. It's
Speaker 1: just in case. You gotta be nice. Yeah, we gotta.
Speaker 1: You have got your got your kid, I got your Yeah,
Speaker 1: I expect that. Baby. It's just a feeling. This feeling
Speaker 1: this cut knock cut. It was some babbaco, this fool.
Speaker 1: This is this is how forget this is you want
Speaker 1: mama waa you want Mama wants you want a little
Speaker 1: game that you want. He wants the Jeffrey how you
Speaker 1: want to Jeffery? No, no, no, let's not just the
Speaker 1: poses state. They're tost tiger ball. But it's for the
Speaker 1: bid to give Republic and Pitbulls Pitbull Company to step
Speaker 1: in tager balls. If get me, you do get you,
Speaker 1: You got your cup for you. Keep keep feeling, keep up.
Speaker 1: This is mama wanna mama wana, Mama wana holda wanna
Speaker 1: hold on that. Yeah, that's need was sweet to Bama,
Speaker 1: was sweet to take takes it. So what does it need? Ye?
Speaker 1: All one? I was expected spect you're good, damn you're good.
Speaker 1: Good get my fee? Yeah, this is days yes s S.
Speaker 1: I like I know you my whole life telling you
Speaker 1: like yeah there you want to ask you is that
Speaker 1: for this form for you, because um, I watched a
Speaker 1: couple of interviews where you like, man, it's the most
Speaker 1: comfortable when you're Bet said, y'all we change, or with
Speaker 1: Julie if I have to be, if I have to,
Speaker 1: But what do you feel like that was like your
Speaker 1: image as a wrapper at one point, like just you
Speaker 1: have to like always have actual god they or actually
Speaker 1: have these certain things and look. So it was was that,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, I felt like I felt like
Speaker 1: it was times bro, where I put like my my
Speaker 1: identity of who I who I was was in the
Speaker 1: things that I had, what I'm saying, like you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like or the relationships and that I had
Speaker 1: as well, you know what I'm saying, it's all ego
Speaker 1: shipped for me. So yeah, I wanted to do right
Speaker 1: and it's like not even knowing why you really want
Speaker 1: to rock that ship a where it is just because
Speaker 1: everyone else that's what everybody else doing. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was just like, man, I need to you know,
Speaker 1: I need to find myself Who am I outside of
Speaker 1: that that simple question, bro, like who are you outside
Speaker 1: of that? You know? And that was the search in
Speaker 1: the quest that I was on, which is why I
Speaker 1: did the independence. When I got independent, I started my
Speaker 1: first project with trust the Process because I ain't want
Speaker 1: to know what the fun was gonna happen during or
Speaker 1: just what's gonna happen to generally people Philly start saying,
Speaker 1: you got that from Philly, right, and you didn't even
Speaker 1: know that. I don't even know it. No, I'm I
Speaker 1: watched basketball a little bit, but I'm a football head.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like, that's my field. But I did
Speaker 1: become familiar with it, and I think, like, great, we
Speaker 1: all inspired, Like you know what I'm saying, like so,
Speaker 1: and I like what they got going on in Philly
Speaker 1: to ship with that trust the Process, that's the same ship. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was different. I thought that was building
Speaker 1: process and you also stressed the process problems. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, I like him slogan
Speaker 1: even with like hustle hard. I like the same old ship.
Speaker 1: It's a different day, you know, that slogan being around forever.
Speaker 1: But I like phrases like you know a man have
Speaker 1: problem for the hustle hard because he got a hustle
Speaker 1: hard company. You know, you know what I think at
Speaker 1: one point during when that song kind of came out.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like smoke, But I think that was like
Speaker 1: a conversation that needed to you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: but I fun with main no man on my dog
Speaker 1: an man, no good people like you know, um but yeah,
Speaker 1: like no, I wouldn't really like no smoke smoke over
Speaker 1: that and no, no, no real issue anything. But she
Speaker 1: was always loved. Yeah, bro makes some look to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: secretly hiding over this and chicken. Yeah that's awsomely oose
Speaker 1: are my tests? Oh yeah, it's my COVID tests. Jesus
Speaker 1: on the COVID tests over there? You got? Was that
Speaker 1: public chick? You know? Public? You're taking the shout of
Speaker 1: respect that I don't. Yeah, yeah, I go. Are you ready?
Speaker 1: You gotta pick one, you know, but that the two
Speaker 1: you're ready, I'm ready, Bud that it one? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Ross a trick Ross Trio or nicky nick training, Jesus training,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry training, Okay, I'd like how you clean that up?
Speaker 1: And to clean it up? Yeah, you can go to
Speaker 1: the like like the clean up, put your teeth pain,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. God keep paying brout to day brought
Speaker 1: Drake away, but let's go back to day man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gotta keep it real. I said, we want we
Speaker 1: want drinking Wayne, alright, cool, Nasa Jack, Oh, Nasa. We'll
Speaker 1: be trapped or G five G five. I heard about
Speaker 1: Booby that Yeah, I heard about Booby. But the track
Speaker 1: affiliates over here. Yeah, like we're cool. We just booby
Speaker 1: trapped lest But they go at nighttime. We go we
Speaker 1: day time dudes, we go to the midg is working.
Speaker 1: We're going different, We're going through hours. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. All Right, Yeah, Okay, we're the best on
Speaker 1: cash money, were the best? Okay? Rolex k o D
Speaker 1: Strip Club ko D. There's a different time frames, man,
Speaker 1: had this run early Rolex and all them all still
Speaker 1: ko D ko D was you know, let's come pre
Speaker 1: ko D. Yeah what Rolex? Take one? Rolex Okay, Kodak blackboard,
Speaker 1: n Sell Curry, that's a rough one, Wow, Koda. Loyalty
Speaker 1: or respect? Respect? I respect? Holy movie, Rock movie. We
Speaker 1: all remember old guys. This feels good. This isn't it?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always happy when you stop Floridas in
Speaker 1: the building. Yeah, he's definitely like if there was like
Speaker 1: a pro city word for like like being like pro
Speaker 1: to this like a process this, this this your pro
Speaker 1: saate state this this because are you for the whole Florida?
Speaker 1: Just like just know if you I'm gonna rep all
Speaker 1: of Florida, but I'm gonna be specifically South Florida. But
Speaker 1: if you're from Florida, then you already that's that's fam.
Speaker 1: You got a range right there. You turn busines marketing
Speaker 1: from Floridas killing Mike oh ship, that's all shout out
Speaker 1: a bus markets. So is that advantage being from the
Speaker 1: South or is it disadvantage advantage bro, advantage bro that energy,
Speaker 1: that swag like that like it ain't no where else
Speaker 1: in the world. Everybody's trying to recreate it. Everybody. We're
Speaker 1: being honest, Um, you know everybody wants that sudden touch acts.
Speaker 1: You know, Jenna, they I'll let everybody want you know,
Speaker 1: it won't catch the vibes being on the South, that
Speaker 1: South man, that ship slang food, the energy you saying, no,
Speaker 1: I exercise it though, m So you eat you still
Speaker 1: eat Southern food? Not really no, my favorite food right
Speaker 1: now right now, I'm getting you hard. I want you
Speaker 1: to finish the smoke jam. That's only the finest herbs
Speaker 1: on earth. You know, what is this? What do we smoke?
Speaker 1: I'm just Gas trow that's not super Tello g No,
Speaker 1: this is no. This is your ship whatever your ship? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gas soon to be fishing mute about Cherry so good
Speaker 1: he didn't even know. Sooner be distributed about CHERRYO with
Speaker 1: the s R S my group because because you don't
Speaker 1: smoke on right, you don't do that. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're back with switching. I'm a backward all right man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bro dom switches crazy. I don't like I think y'all's
Speaker 1: like superheroes who can smoke the swishes. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: I love this shot. It's okay, I love I can
Speaker 1: take it. Man. I started off smoking the switches, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's what they was on the Purple Switches. Was
Speaker 1: the was the vibe and tell them she just was
Speaker 1: destroying my throat. I'm like, just my whole vibe was harsh.
Speaker 1: That ship was crazy. I'm like, no, I can never
Speaker 1: drop with you, not not. But what's the happiest moment
Speaker 1: of your whole I mean, besides your kids and your
Speaker 1: marriage because we're gonna go there too. You know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what was that one time he
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is this is this is me?
Speaker 1: Like you know, I let me shut up that one
Speaker 1: time where it's like this is me. Oh, this is
Speaker 1: not not this is me, but like I have a
Speaker 1: rived belong Oh it's a good question, man. I feel
Speaker 1: like I felt like that when the Hustle Hard record dropped.
Speaker 1: It's like I belonged. I felt like that was a
Speaker 1: solidifying record. But I think like to find my footing
Speaker 1: in the independence world to keep it honest, bro, because
Speaker 1: I feel like I recently had that feeling of where
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like this is where I belong,
Speaker 1: Like this is what I need to be doing, Like
Speaker 1: this is what I need to be saying right now,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm in the right Like just you know when you
Speaker 1: feel like the universe is a line of things in
Speaker 1: your life and it's like holy ship, Like it's like
Speaker 1: that's where I'm like, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like when just my independence represents that, man off,
Speaker 1: just like this's what I need to be doing because
Speaker 1: I can do it, and I can do it from
Speaker 1: the Independence perspective. I thought that I put all my
Speaker 1: faith and all my energy and all my identity and
Speaker 1: into that whole idea of being a part of a
Speaker 1: major label and a part of that I thought, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't do it like oh am I
Speaker 1: without that ship and to be who I am in
Speaker 1: the independent world, like still thriving and still relevant in
Speaker 1: this world. I'm like, that's why I need to be.
Speaker 1: I knew I was built for this ship, bro. And
Speaker 1: I agree with you, right God, you gotta give me
Speaker 1: a moment where you would like with that, with that
Speaker 1: platinum racket and you have to feel like you belong.
Speaker 1: You're telling me, you're telling me what these big records,
Speaker 1: in these platinum records, you're in these parties and you're
Speaker 1: feeling like you didn't belong like you you felt like
Speaker 1: what what does that? What does that yourself? For me?
Speaker 1: Because I'm saying like like like it's certain times in
Speaker 1: my career, Well, I'll go to a party and that's
Speaker 1: my party. Good m my ship. Yeah, you ain't never
Speaker 1: like I feel like that. I feel okay, So for that,
Speaker 1: like I'm going anywhere for this The BT Awards, bro
Speaker 1: Okay BT Awards where I felt like that you feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, because just the note right, So
Speaker 1: Hustle Heart was a mixtape record, right, it wasn't even
Speaker 1: an album record. Yeah, it was just a record, Like
Speaker 1: I created that, the crib put that BET on the
Speaker 1: mix tape, and then once the city got a hold
Speaker 1: to it, like they want to call and phone back
Speaker 1: and back like yo, so they called yo, E class
Speaker 1: hit him like yo, you know I pick a beat
Speaker 1: to this. By the way, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: that guy ever, I don't know who forever. So so
Speaker 1: damn where was that? What was that? Was? Thank you
Speaker 1: my brother? B two awards right, so I'm like, so
Speaker 1: boom B two awards. Bro. It's the moment where I
Speaker 1: felt like, because Hustle Hart was a mixtape record or whatever,
Speaker 1: this is a record that you know it weren't no
Speaker 1: label help, But these were my ideas. This is my voice,
Speaker 1: this is my writing, like, this is my penmanship, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We want to perform this ship
Speaker 1: at the BET Awards, bro, Like that's massive where I
Speaker 1: come from. You did, like, and I'm the first artist
Speaker 1: from my city, you know, full disclosure, I'm the first
Speaker 1: artist from Broward County, Broward County, Florida, from the county
Speaker 1: you claim the whole county first, Rowert County, Florida. I am.
Speaker 1: I am the original. I am the first. I am
Speaker 1: the pioneer. That's a fact. That's a fact. It just
Speaker 1: just to be honest with you, not to say that
Speaker 1: there wasn't. I can speak for me, I can't speak
Speaker 1: for the others. I'm speaking about my pioneer, what I did,
Speaker 1: what I contributed to what I yea yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there was from house, not not records
Speaker 1: like that, breaking records like you was doing. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying there was. Just but you know that we all
Speaker 1: all people, we are all doing something on someone else's back,
Speaker 1: and we got to understand that it was about Brown
Speaker 1: County and I'm talking about Brownder County. Well, who back
Speaker 1: would I have done it on at that particular time.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying just artists that have been doing it,
Speaker 1: like since maybe even the eighties, even people I don't
Speaker 1: even know about. I'm from early nineties era that I'm
Speaker 1: talking that I'm thinking about. Okay, okay, for securit legends
Speaker 1: from me. Yeah, but I'll respect that yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: just saying there there was people they're doing it, repping
Speaker 1: repping the county when it wasn't cool at all. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But let's let me say that I'm one of the
Speaker 1: pioneers of the city. You know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: forshure for short, like in terms of taking it away,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's that's That's all I mean.
Speaker 1: And it feels, you know, and then a lot comes
Speaker 1: with that, and then like it's a beautiful feeling because
Speaker 1: being the first one you cit ain't always the greatest,
Speaker 1: you know who you think gonna get the most energy
Speaker 1: and the most like towards because it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what the you know? Um, but it was just a
Speaker 1: beautiful feeling man to be on stage you know, at
Speaker 1: the BT Awards had Rawster, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: performing live, he huge, He got all these great records
Speaker 1: and stuff and uh, you know tune at that time,
Speaker 1: he already huge. And then Cat I just felt like
Speaker 1: just us doing that together and for this to be
Speaker 1: a record that I orchestrated made me feel affirmed, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying as a man, bro and I
Speaker 1: think that like that is important. So I feel like
Speaker 1: I was solidified and locked in at that moment. I
Speaker 1: felt like the city was proud and Homies was proud.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like like hustle hard Man performance,
Speaker 1: you feel me like I felt like at that particular time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's just it right here, and from
Speaker 1: there we just went on to create more. But that
Speaker 1: was definitely an amazing moment for me. Tho crazy moment.
Speaker 1: Now you ever thought like because at the time right
Speaker 1: like a little way it was the hottest thing everywhere
Speaker 1: people compart at some time, but not really it was
Speaker 1: it was both dogs can take of your shirts, guy, abs,
Speaker 1: and you just think about it, like you can see
Speaker 1: how people will get yes on the South. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like they definitely would do some comparison for sure
Speaker 1: to anybody who Yeah, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's why I never liked tattooed my entire body
Speaker 1: to keep it gal It's facts, Bro, because I knew
Speaker 1: like I knew it, I knew it was always I
Speaker 1: knew it was already a close comparison between me and Bro.
Speaker 1: So I was like, uh, I can't do all of that,
Speaker 1: plus I'm trying to get into acting and all that
Speaker 1: other stuff like this is when I was young. I
Speaker 1: made this decision. So I got my mom because I
Speaker 1: was going crazy at that time. So, um, that's why
Speaker 1: I don't do that, because I'm like, I ain't trying
Speaker 1: to be another Reppler, because like you, I am myself
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did it. You have faced, but
Speaker 1: I would have had all probably not face tat. I
Speaker 1: probably would have had it up to the neck, the whole,
Speaker 1: like the whole. Look for sure. Yeah, you have with
Speaker 1: lean in that moment, because yeah, it was just I
Speaker 1: don't think was that big out here. It wasn't in
Speaker 1: your community. I'm talking about out here in Florida, Yes
Speaker 1: it was. I'm not that big. Just being honest, like
Speaker 1: you competing upon what you're comparing it to. If you're
Speaker 1: comparing it to what CALLI compared to Texas, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Yeah, comparing it to Yeah, it was nothing here.
Speaker 1: If you're comparing it to Texas, Yeah was out here.
Speaker 1: Everything is sucking in Miami and Briar, every South was everything.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that big career, like exactly, you didn't even
Speaker 1: know what you're taking you you know, but if that
Speaker 1: ship popular in one part of the world, is active
Speaker 1: in every every it's always like that, you know, that ship.
Speaker 1: So if it's like the weed popping in Kalid and
Speaker 1: you know every place else is gonna be active with
Speaker 1: the weed, it's like they got you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like we was active down here with it, but
Speaker 1: not like you know, Houston, but being that that ship
Speaker 1: was so heavily and influencing it and we're talking about
Speaker 1: it so much, like you know, it was accessible. So
Speaker 1: I had me a few bottles and ship did my
Speaker 1: thing with that. What made you say that's not you?
Speaker 1: The tiredness and ship bro the after effect, like how
Speaker 1: long you would sleep, how tired you would be, like
Speaker 1: you'd being I feel like you're a genius. Don't own it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. When you want when you're
Speaker 1: taking the vibe and you you know, the first like
Speaker 1: I always like to look so like you know, you
Speaker 1: get your mixed drop a little, you know, jolly ranches
Speaker 1: in there. You're dropping jolly ranges in there. I'm dropping
Speaker 1: jolly ranches in there. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: gotta sprite vibe, you know what I mean, I'm already sprite,
Speaker 1: jolly rang a little sweet, definitely little sweet. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: all right as hell. Yeah. So you you know, you
Speaker 1: drop some of that in there. I want a heavy
Speaker 1: dust and you know I own experiment like that. I
Speaker 1: ain't just a wild nigger. I've never been at which
Speaker 1: I'm glad. So you know, experiment with a proper amount,
Speaker 1: and then you catch the vibe and then as time
Speaker 1: go on, you kind of build on that energy, you know,
Speaker 1: so um as I would build on that energy, like
Speaker 1: you would start to feel like a little slower to
Speaker 1: wait in some way because you know you're smoking too.
Speaker 1: And then they creates the balance for you. And when
Speaker 1: they creates the balance for you, like for you know,
Speaker 1: you're in the studio, man, I'm knocking out eight nine records,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm just not sleepy.
Speaker 1: I'm going though, because it's not an oval, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's not a heavy dose. It's not
Speaker 1: to where I'm just sluggish because you're controlling the dough
Speaker 1: right right. I'm just trying to get a balance of
Speaker 1: just like boom, I got this vibe and I'm parent
Speaker 1: and with the smokes, so it's gonna give me an
Speaker 1: even balance. That's how my mind works. Should be weird.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you whether the ship create a fire balance,
Speaker 1: so I'd be in that ship, like with the sauce
Speaker 1: New Buggatti was on that sauce. What's around Buggatti time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a round Buggatti time. It's around by Yeah,
Speaker 1: And uh, what's your favorite part of the game. You're
Speaker 1: performing the record, performing that motherfucker bro exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: performing for sure. Uh. But if I got to be
Speaker 1: honest though, I think like making the record, making the
Speaker 1: record gotta be you know, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's always like the predetermination of what's gonna happen when
Speaker 1: the record dropped. You feel me, it's always like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna suck them up. They're gonna chant this.
Speaker 1: I know it. Like I know, I know for a fact,
Speaker 1: like when I say same old ship, just a different day,
Speaker 1: I know everybody can relate to that. You're gonna say
Speaker 1: this over and over. I know they're gonna repeat that
Speaker 1: and then to create the record and then to go
Speaker 1: out and perform it and hit him to say pull
Speaker 1: it be back in the magic amount of historic that
Speaker 1: my little crowd voice like, it's active, man, it's active.
Speaker 1: So I like the creation part of it for sure,
Speaker 1: because I like to see what's gonna become of that.
Speaker 1: I like that. Never've been wrong about a record where
Speaker 1: you like, this record never worked, just oh and it
Speaker 1: works or vice versa. Mm hmm na. Bro. From being honest,
Speaker 1: I knew what would work and what wouldn't work. From
Speaker 1: being completely honest, bro, like, I knew records that I
Speaker 1: would create, and I knew they would be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this record works for this particular like you know, these
Speaker 1: particular people that might listen to it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It might be a record that might be
Speaker 1: talking about the worldly events and the government of what's happening,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna do that, it's gonna do this thing
Speaker 1: and this, you know what I mean. So I measured
Speaker 1: my expectations. So it's like if I'm creating a radio hit,
Speaker 1: that's different, you know what I'm saying, Like for short
Speaker 1: records that I thought was gonna do better than you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, didn't do that great that
Speaker 1: I thought was like, fuck, I got a record that's
Speaker 1: entitled I know how it feels with a type dollar sign.
Speaker 1: It's a smash radio record, but it didn't do what
Speaker 1: I thought it. I'm like, damn this record. Was it
Speaker 1: the fault of the record or because it didn't have
Speaker 1: the radio push? Because it didn't have the radio push,
Speaker 1: so couldn't. It's not necessarily that you were wrong. It's
Speaker 1: just you didn't have maybe the tools that were needed
Speaker 1: to right exactly, which was part of my situation and
Speaker 1: reason to like departure and move on because that was,
Speaker 1: you know, m so right now, how was a new
Speaker 1: artist that you like? You would like the word baby baby,
Speaker 1: little baby? I like that little nigger man. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: always kind of thing twice yeah, because it's too right.
Speaker 1: There's three babies actually, y'all star up. Yeah, that's real
Speaker 1: sath Yeah he said a little baby, little babies. The
Speaker 1: one South Carolina. No, no, no, he went from Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Little baby. That's a little big baby. Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: like the baby ship too, though. I like I thought
Speaker 1: with the baby, but but I what the n G
Speaker 1: M O. And I like little baby. I thought just
Speaker 1: the baby was from South Carolina. He used to wear
Speaker 1: the Pampa North Carolina. They used to wear the father.
Speaker 1: The baby is from North Carolina, right, so you said,
Speaker 1: and then you said a little baby, little baby from Atlanta, right,
Speaker 1: So the baby is the babies but North Carolina, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: He's little babies Atlanta day. He was here, he killed that,
Speaker 1: he wore it. He didn't play around with that and
Speaker 1: to be who he is. He's that little baby, but
Speaker 1: l with the dress. They just had a party. They
Speaker 1: gave Gotti at him all type of q q q C. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tom gave his birthday part. I said, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: my life togea bird day party. Was crazy, Yeah, was crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's the baby, and that's a little baby. That's
Speaker 1: a little baby, right, a little baby, right, just yeah,
Speaker 1: like a little baby. I've seen him in the World
Speaker 1: Over Story by himself walking around with two thousand. I
Speaker 1: was worth a jury on the plastic bag. His security
Speaker 1: was outside and on, but he walked around by himself
Speaker 1: like the bag. You know, his jury like ad it
Speaker 1: in a plastic bag. I'm walking around my kids getting breakfast.
Speaker 1: The Wall Over the story. Remember, so I'm going from
Speaker 1: like the regular people entrance to my actual room. He's
Speaker 1: coming from the actual room. So we look I've seen
Speaker 1: each other Boom I like to do to tell he's
Speaker 1: a m hmm street with it. Yeah, security, but they
Speaker 1: was outside. I like that in it, like they even
Speaker 1: moved on their own and their own problems. On your own,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's the type of guy
Speaker 1: in they you rolled up by yourself. That's the second time,
Speaker 1: I think, right, No, third time. They wouldn't expect you
Speaker 1: to do that. That's the third time it's happened. People
Speaker 1: wrote a drink chapter by themselves. Okay, I mean that
Speaker 1: I remember so pitbo recently. People weird. What do you
Speaker 1: mean he walked weird people like people, I don't know what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my dog. And then at fifty in a little hey,
Speaker 1: he originally came by himself. I know, people followed. No,
Speaker 1: he was by himself. We used to do drink little
Speaker 1: and he pulled up the driver. I think if he
Speaker 1: had a driver, it was a driver. He walked into
Speaker 1: the spot by himself. This is absolutely who had to
Speaker 1: drive it. I think even has security. He told security
Speaker 1: relaxed and the driver relaxed, and he walked in by himself.
Speaker 1: And I was so honored an' so, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you was, But I was so honored that, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a star like hip hop, trust trust us
Speaker 1: because we were let happen like it doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 1: the safer anybody is around this one like where we
Speaker 1: set up and reason Miami boys, because I've been living
Speaker 1: out here in fourteen years, somewhat think Miami claimed me
Speaker 1: and I claimed Miami. Uh God damnit, Florida, God damn,
Speaker 1: let's make some nor if you got to make some
Speaker 1: little thing and I'm not gonna lie, make some noise
Speaker 1: LA claim that's crazy. It's crazy. He's still living laridae. Okay,
Speaker 1: you moved to Atlanta. I thought just to really really
Speaker 1: you know, nice beautiful place and uh that's my city
Speaker 1: and uh I love it here. Man. I lived in
Speaker 1: californ A little bit. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was going back and yeah, yeah, part of Cali um
Speaker 1: was that I had was it l a though it
Speaker 1: was l A It wasn't l A, Yes, it was
Speaker 1: l a. Um. What's what's the what's the beach out
Speaker 1: in Cali? Santa Monica, Santa Monica Beach? Because I lived
Speaker 1: by Santa Monica Beach. That's where I was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Definitely lived by that area though, but it was like
Speaker 1: a very nice area, man, like good vibes out there,
Speaker 1: and stayed out there and recorded some projects. Um. I
Speaker 1: mean I was kind of coming back to see my family,
Speaker 1: see my kids and stuff. So um yeah, man, But
Speaker 1: I love living out here in Florida. I do't at
Speaker 1: some point though, I get another space somewhere else, but
Speaker 1: I always have like my main crib in Florida. It's
Speaker 1: just ain't nothing like nothing like the crib. Bro. You're married.
Speaker 1: You're married Mary like me. That's another version of Mary. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the hip hop version of marriage. Right, you're married married Mary? Mary.
Speaker 1: How long you've been Mary? I've been married now for
Speaker 1: about for about eight months? Eight months okay, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: newly w Yeah. I got married in February right before
Speaker 1: the pen Yeah, thank you brother. I've been with my
Speaker 1: wife about five years, five and a years huh yeah,
Speaker 1: six years yeah yeah man. That's my uh man, that's
Speaker 1: my love. That's my motherfucking dog. Bro. Like that's the
Speaker 1: really ship out of money ya for real? Yeah yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: for real? And I love you know. What's so what's
Speaker 1: so crazy? Bro? Is that you know, I'll be hearing
Speaker 1: how people be speaking some time about marriage and ship
Speaker 1: and time like how it's hard and all of that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I'd be seeing episodes and just seeing ship
Speaker 1: and just like some people be under playing marriage. BRO.
Speaker 1: I agree you like you know, if you if both
Speaker 1: the parties in the marriage decide to like grow and
Speaker 1: work through ship and have conversations about it, you could
Speaker 1: have a beautiful marriage of you and that other person
Speaker 1: that's on the same page. It can be so beautiful, Bro.
Speaker 1: It can be like like that's just like magic MONEYGA.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. You feel me, That's how I
Speaker 1: feel like that what you're doing I put on glasses. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's which people ship right there. I respect that respect
Speaker 1: that no real drew to respect. I love. I think
Speaker 1: another shot as a counselor another shot as a count yo.
Speaker 1: I mean that's wrong. I'm not gonna lie. Don't listen
Speaker 1: when you get the check from you know what, man,
Speaker 1: I met with the guys. I'm met with the guys.
Speaker 1: They're not ready for us, Bro, already met it check.
Speaker 1: We're not getting the check. Shout out to love. We're
Speaker 1: not getting the check. Listen, I say we I said.
Speaker 1: When you know I know this, you gotta back. People
Speaker 1: brought this to us. It's not happening yet. Holy movie only.
Speaker 1: I love hip hop? Man? Do you love hip hop?
Speaker 1: I love hip hop? Brother a little bit. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to Okay, I want okay, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: I killed that. I killed that by lifting it up.
Speaker 1: I killed that. Yeah, I transferred. I transferred to energy too.
Speaker 1: That was great energy. That was great energy. I transferred
Speaker 1: a little bit. Motherfucker. One thing you regret that you
Speaker 1: could do all over. You could do it all over
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, we do that different. Let
Speaker 1: me do it this way. What would it be? M M?
Speaker 1: I think the way that the way that I handled
Speaker 1: Not to say that it was terrible or not to
Speaker 1: say that it was disrespectful, but I think that if
Speaker 1: I could with our situation, with like the me and
Speaker 1: callous situation, if I could have just handled it in
Speaker 1: a very different way, not in a not in a
Speaker 1: bad way, but if I could have just made minor
Speaker 1: changes in terms of how I exited out. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I think I would have done
Speaker 1: that in a different way. See what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't. I don't regret anything. I don't.
Speaker 1: But if I just I would have exited. It could
Speaker 1: have been done differently. And what part do you think
Speaker 1: that you would do better? A conversation, A conversation beforehand,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the lawyers. I didn't call the lawyers first.
Speaker 1: What I did was, um interviews. You know, I started
Speaker 1: to express exactly, I started to express myself in the music,
Speaker 1: not even to human mak us came after when I
Speaker 1: got my independence, but um, in that time, it was
Speaker 1: more so just I started to express myself in my
Speaker 1: music as opposed to having a direct conversation with him.
Speaker 1: Was about it, no, no, no, no no no, it
Speaker 1: was like, uh, it's uh. That's when I went to
Speaker 1: calig too, and it was Starvation four that I created,
Speaker 1: and I started speaking to my music about how I
Speaker 1: felt like the label wasn't really in support of my
Speaker 1: ideas and the things that I wanted to do. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So as opposed to having a
Speaker 1: uh you know, behind doors converation, you know, conversation with
Speaker 1: him just about my uneasiness and what I'm feeling. You
Speaker 1: feel me like, this is what I feel broad. You know,
Speaker 1: I wish you would have came to me about this.
Speaker 1: How I wish we could have just hashed that out
Speaker 1: as men. But I wasn't a man back, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean at that particular time to realize not
Speaker 1: to say that I made it, mean any mistakes, because
Speaker 1: I love where I am and I'm so grateful for
Speaker 1: where I am, you know what I'm saying. But it's
Speaker 1: just that because I still would have made my exit.
Speaker 1: I still wanted my freedom. Don't get it twisted. I
Speaker 1: still wanted to go off and do my own things.
Speaker 1: You know, but who knows? Who knows? How? Um? Who?
Speaker 1: Who knows? That's all I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: who knows. Like one of the greatest things is like
Speaker 1: you know what stupid exit with Dr Dre. It went
Speaker 1: to master p and Dr Dre kept working with him.
Speaker 1: That was some crazy ship to me, Like you no,
Speaker 1: that stets overlooked a lot, but like that was like
Speaker 1: almost like yo, bro, your decision was right, Like did
Speaker 1: you wish like you could have done that, like you
Speaker 1: know when you exited we're the best and just kept
Speaker 1: that relationship so tight, like colleague, That's exactly kind of
Speaker 1: what he's saying facts and I'm not gonna say that,
Speaker 1: but I'm I am gonna say that I do believe
Speaker 1: that the universe will align itself. I believe That's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. That's that's what I'm gonna say. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's what I'm gonna say. I
Speaker 1: don't think it is. I don't know it isn't he
Speaker 1: is because you know, you know, you know, you we
Speaker 1: never you know, I never forget, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing about when people talk about loyalty
Speaker 1: and all of that dog It's like, you know, just
Speaker 1: because we might have had a a fallout or a disagreement,
Speaker 1: does that negate all of the greatness in the history
Speaker 1: that we created and the opportunities that were Like and
Speaker 1: if I if I refer if I become president, I
Speaker 1: dropped myself in those moments like ship were beautiful, this
Speaker 1: ship was amazing, This ship changed my life. N this,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like this, my kids, my family, bro,
Speaker 1: like my being everything. Bro. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it changed everything. I can't forget that the way that
Speaker 1: that you've evolved, You're maturing he is as well. Exactly,
Speaker 1: everybody's grown. Everybody's growing, bro, everybody's making the same mistakes
Speaker 1: and and and that's the at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: That's the reality of things, bro, That's the reality. So
Speaker 1: for me, it's like it's never to take that energy
Speaker 1: because we had a bad moment that we had a
Speaker 1: disagreement to be like yo, our own rock with him
Speaker 1: on this to that and and you know talk you know,
Speaker 1: tain't his name out in public or whatever. That ain't
Speaker 1: my character, bro, because I believe what's for me is
Speaker 1: for me and I'm destined for greatness because I am
Speaker 1: already nick. I am nigga like it ain't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, And once I learned that, it's
Speaker 1: like we're here, We're here, like he great? So am
Speaker 1: I You feel me like I need my own relationships.
Speaker 1: You feel I gotta make my own moves and do
Speaker 1: my own thing, like bump my own head and living
Speaker 1: my own glory, feel me like, and I love that
Speaker 1: And me I ain't got no hatred in my heart.
Speaker 1: And I think like what we had was great, but
Speaker 1: you know, you move on, God bless y'all will fix this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. That's that's your drink. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You gotta it out good. You gotta end it out here.
Speaker 1: Who wants you to know what's happening, what you're doing
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