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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, This is Mick

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Speaker 1: Shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt.

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Speaker 2: Now Here are Bill Jones, HECMA Harrison, Everson Walls, and

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Speaker 2: Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: Well check this down, cowboy. They said, look who they've

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Speaker 3: host on Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: It's me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get it to it. And hey, another edition

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Speaker 3: of mixed Shots.

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Speaker 4: You are in the taj Mahal of football here in

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Speaker 4: the SWBC Mortgage studios, here at the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 4: home of your Dallas Cowboys, and they are out on

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Speaker 4: the practice field right now getting ready for the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 4: And look who decided to come to work to day.

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Speaker 4: My shape for the brother is in the building.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Everson Wallas? The Super Bowl champions? Here in the in

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Speaker 4: the guy that the show is named after. We couldn't

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Speaker 4: do it without you, Mick. How you doing, man? You

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Speaker 4: like you're dressed for a funeral.

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 2: Look for TV?

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Speaker 3: Is that what it is? Yeah? Let's cut short custom

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Speaker 3: by baby. You know what size jacket is it? It

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Speaker 3: ain't off the rack. It ain't off.

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Speaker 2: I wish that was the truth. Probably forty two.

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Speaker 4: Short, forty two short. Yeah, I won't even tell you

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Speaker 4: my jacket then, man, that's all good.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I don't shop at the Big Man's story.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I will tell you who do a short

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Speaker 3: man store? No, they don't. They just cut the sleeves off.

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Speaker 2: Another form of discriminator.

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Speaker 3: Know what you're talking about? Thought, don't do that, the

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Speaker 3: form of discrimination, Mick, quit on that one. They need

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Speaker 3: a short man. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: When I get my opportunity, okay, to host the show.

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Speaker 3: Before we get into it and get involved, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: ask how are you? How are you?

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Speaker 4: Sincerely? How's your mentals? How are you on this fine,

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Speaker 4: beautiful day today?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was telling someone the other day just

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Speaker 3: how blessed I am to have family and friends. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 3: matter what happens in my life, I can fuss all

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Speaker 3: I want, but I got family and friends, and it

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Speaker 3: makes everything smooth out till another day. I know. That's right, Mick.

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Speaker 3: How about you?

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Speaker 2: I feel rushed, but I'm here rushed because you were

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Speaker 2: late almost. I wasn't late. I was in the press

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Speaker 2: conference that I was late for.

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Speaker 3: Well, did you Did you learn anything in the press

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Speaker 3: conference that you I think I.

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Speaker 2: Only missed the best parts on who was going to

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Speaker 2: play and who might not. I'm guessing judging from yesterday's

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Speaker 2: practice and this injury report, I have Tyler Goton's probably out.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, if it was a high.

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Speaker 2: Ankle spraying, then those things don't just heal in a week.

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Speaker 2: What it is, and that's what it supposedly is, although

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Speaker 2: they just got ankle. But now he'll have what ten

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Speaker 2: days between now and the next game, so maybe he's

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Speaker 2: ready there. I thought Nate Thomas did a decent job,

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Speaker 2: but you hate going on a road against a team

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Speaker 2: like this with Aiden Hutchinson can just line up wherever

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Speaker 2: he wants, right, and so I'm sure he'll be looking

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Speaker 2: for Nate Thomas. But he did a decent job these

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Speaker 2: last couple of games. Jadavian Clowney, who has really come

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Speaker 2: still has in practice. We may have to take a

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Speaker 2: look out there. He's been doing rehab for a hamstring.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: The previously they had listed him as a neck limited.

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Speaker 2: Now it's a hamstring.

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Speaker 3: Hey, when you're his age man, there's a lot of stuff, hurt, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of stuff, right, and yeah, and you know it

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Speaker 2: probably took him a little bit longer to you know,

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Speaker 2: get with it. No training camp, yeah, no preseason, and

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Speaker 2: you know, he just came off the couch and he

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Speaker 2: sort of admitted we were just chit chatting with him

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Speaker 2: about Yeah, I feel like myself now. It took a

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Speaker 2: while and maybe a little bit longer. But this last game,

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Speaker 2: the other day, tied for the team lead with six tackles,

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Speaker 2: two sacks, two tackles for losses, a couple, a couple pressures,

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Speaker 2: they need him out there. And by the way, uh,

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Speaker 2: no coincidence. I think he started the last three games,

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Speaker 2: so but he didn't play. The key thing was he

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Speaker 2: did all what I just told you, and he only

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Speaker 2: played twenty nine snaps, so forty four percent.

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Speaker 3: Of the swell. That's pretty damn efficient.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's yeah, that's some participation, right. So anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and maybe it has something to do with the middle

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Speaker 3: Of course it is.

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Speaker 2: And then you know they can't double team everybody, right,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So anyway, I didn't hear what he was

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Speaker 2: going to do. When we go out on the break,

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Speaker 2: i'll see if he's with brit Or, if he's actually practicing.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, everybody is that has something is

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Speaker 2: And I think from what I understand Trayvon Diggs as

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Speaker 2: yesterday Swell did the day before.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about the guy that's been in

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Speaker 3: your doghouse. Is this that's right?

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Speaker 4: And I want to know about his opportunity to get

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Speaker 4: out of your doghouse with a stellar performance on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: If he does have an opportunity, gives the opportunity, it's.

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Speaker 4: The opportunity to play. And coach Schottenhammer talked about well, no,

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Speaker 4: Jerry was talking about this morning a one to five

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Speaker 4: of practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he this was his first week of practice,

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Speaker 2: so that they started his twenty one day practice deal

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Speaker 2: and is a ramp up thing. I he looked like

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Speaker 2: he was getting snaps yesterday. Now we don't get to

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Speaker 2: watch the whole practice, right, but he participating in the

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Speaker 4: Drill.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about team but they listed it as limited,

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Speaker 2: so I'm guessing he didn't take every snap when they

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Speaker 2: went team. But looking at him move in the individual drills,

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Speaker 2: not only was he moving well, he was acting like

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Speaker 2: he was part of the team, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: a really big step a lot. Yes, yes, and he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of hopping. He was sort of moving

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Speaker 2: I don't know, has it been six seven weeks?

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Speaker 4: There's four on I R for sure. And then he

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Speaker 2: And he played one, and he had a week he

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Speaker 2: didn't play, then he played, and then he didn't play,

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Speaker 2: and then they put him on IR after the concussion,

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Speaker 2: the home accident or whatever it was. So he hasn't

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Speaker 2: but not everybody's watching on the website right air quotes

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Speaker 2: and uh, so he hasn't played in a while, But

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Speaker 2: you know, at least you know, if they can get

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Speaker 2: him out there in nickelsit situations where he can play

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Speaker 2: your choice of Revel or Kaylin Carson who's back practicing.

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Speaker 2: So that's encouraging.

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Speaker 6: And so now.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to write about this for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: This is like a remade defense if you look at it.

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Speaker 2: They got guys that we're starting that are no longer here,

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Speaker 2: right Carier Elam I bet he started eight seven eight games, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Damon Clark was a starting linebacker to start the season.

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Speaker 2: He's not here, and Mozzi Smith's not here. These guys

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Speaker 4: So, I mean, you talked about this defense being revamped

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Speaker 4: with the guys that we're going to get back from

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Speaker 4: ir and I guess no one could have predicted that

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Speaker 4: we'd have been able to make the trade that we

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Speaker 4: made for Quinn Williams. But when you think about it,

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Speaker 4: when you look at it on paper, basically the names

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Speaker 4: completely different and a complete revamped defense. And oh, by

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Speaker 4: the way, you get your safeties back also, which has

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Speaker 4: completely remade everything.

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Speaker 3: And that this is not just promise this, it's happened.

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Speaker 3: It's happening. They're playing there, they're coming through for us.

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Speaker 3: The proof is in the putting, so to speak. So

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Speaker 3: to watch this team play the way they're playing and

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Speaker 3: come together in such a short amount of time with

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Speaker 3: all of these different influxes of different players and players leaving,

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Speaker 3: as you talked about, this is a this is pretty

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Speaker 3: exciting time for Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: I got to ask you, guys, we got to get

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Speaker 4: into these Detroit Lions because Mickey, you've covered this team

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Speaker 4: and obviously with all the football that you've played, have

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Speaker 4: you ever seen a team like the Detroit Lions from

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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell when he took over. I mean, they not

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Speaker 4: a winning franchise and through their general manager brother from HBCU,

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Speaker 4: great general manager, but their ownership has right at the ship.

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Speaker 4: They have had some great draft picks. They can't keep

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Speaker 4: great team because they're poaching your coaches, right. But the

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Speaker 4: one thing that still remains about them in their DNA

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Speaker 4: of being a physical football team. Is there anything about

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Speaker 4: them the way that they are made that you envy

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Speaker 3: I would have said that around three four weeks ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: right now, I don't envy any team. I just don't

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Speaker 3: the things that we're doing, especially after this last game,

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Speaker 3: which by the way, is one of the best games

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen the Cowboys play, period, because of the situation,

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Speaker 3: because Kansas City just does not lose in this type

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Speaker 3: of situation. And they came in here ready to go

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Speaker 3: they were cockying to think that this is a done

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Speaker 3: I don't envy any team right now. We I think

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Speaker 3: we are being envied. The pundits hate to say it,

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Speaker 3: but they have to. Oh you gotta say the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. And they said with a question mark, like, huh,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so the octave is

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Speaker 3: And so that's the kind of thing I like about

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you know, a very unfortunate incident brought them together.

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Speaker 3: But whatever the reason, Uh, they are true to it. Uh,

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Speaker 3: this is not fake. These guys are really together out there. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what tray Von saw as he

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Speaker 3: the team that I thought was back to take. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that he's always had the confidence that he

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Speaker 3: but it ain't New York Giants. It ain't Russell Wilson

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Speaker 4: I was going to ask you about Ibra Flus and

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Speaker 3: Sam is right? I don't know, Hey, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Well, he started in the training namely aggressive. He started

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Speaker 2: He lit somebody up. And it wasn't like Williams or Sanders.

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Speaker 3: More, did I And I know I saw this. I

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Speaker 2: And it's not like three down line men and two linebackers.

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Speaker 2: That's a thousand because now everybody's man. You know, it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, so it's changed. I don't

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Speaker 4: I was asking you guys during the break the most

450
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Speaker 4: embarrassing Cowboys loss for.

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Speaker 3: You that you can remember, and I will go first.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Monday Night, November fifteenth, two thousand and four, the Dallas

454
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Speaker 4: Cowboys versus the philade lf Eagles, Donovan McNabb and Terrell

455
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Speaker 4: Owins came into Texas Stadium and beat us down. He

456
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Speaker 4: didn't he didn't stand on the star at the fifty

457
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Speaker 4: yard line, but he did stand on the star and

458
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Speaker 4: the end zone and he even ice skated.

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Speaker 3: He even ice skated in it.

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Speaker 4: That's how good of a game that they would have

461
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: done with McNabb in that game when sideline the sideline

462
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Speaker 4: and then through the ball almost sixty yards for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: That was one of those losses a year?

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Speaker 2: Was that?

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Speaker 3: Four? Four? Yeah? Oh four?

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Speaker 7: That was?

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Speaker 2: Was that like the seventeen second play?

468
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Speaker 3: It had to have been that. It was.

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Speaker 4: It was, man, I'm telling it was one of the worst,

470
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: one of the worst. Was like sitting there witnessing, I

471
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 4: was like, I cannot believe we're getting beat like this.

472
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: Last year against Detroit, I had that same feeling. I'm

473
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: like the hooking ladder. Yeah, when they hooked and laddered

474
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 4: on us, I said, this is personal, because this is personal.

475
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Speaker 3: Was Uh No, Buddy wasn't coaching then, was he? When

476
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: Buddy we're doing that game.

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Speaker 2: No, that was and reed on thousand and four, two thousand,

478
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: Andy Reid.

479
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: Andy Reid in Parcels was the.

480
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Speaker 2: Coaching that only that only followed the Reid's first game. Okay,

481
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: the pickle Juice game.

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Speaker 3: So what about you guys? You got to tell me,

483
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: oh we we we we agree on the Chicago Bears

484
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five, forty four nothing.

485
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Speaker 2: And that was a playoff team, by the way, with

486
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Speaker 2: the winning record.

487
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we were four they were, well we did.

488
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Speaker 3: Having said that in eighty five, they're getting knocked out

489
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Speaker 3: in the first round by the Rams and yeah, yeah, again,

490
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: who's the quarterback in that game?

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Speaker 5: For?

492
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: Who? For the Cowboys? Gary Hogebo Hogabom? Okay? And that,

493
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: to me, that's a story within itself. And Spags is

494
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Speaker 3: going to disagree with me on this.

495
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember it was it because I thought

496
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Speaker 2: after the eighty four season they got rid of Hogaboom?

497
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Speaker 3: Did they?

498
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to give me that thing.

499
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Speaker 3: You're gonna find out who it is. Yes, set me

500
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Speaker 3: set me straight, set me straight. Forty four in Chicago

501
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: now here was it here? And that was the team

502
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: that went to the Super Bowl. That was the daunted

503
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears team that everyone is making the Pro Bowls

504
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fames on right now. Because of

505
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: that season. You got guys in the in the Hall

506
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: of Fame on the defensive line for Chicago that are

507
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: nothing compared to two Tall Jones and Harvey Martin. And

508
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: yet that season, that one season, even though they were

509
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: good players, that one season put a couple of guys

510
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: in there, Steve McMichael as well. It was because of

511
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 3: that one season, That's what I believe, because they never

512
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: had a team as powerful as that come along in

513
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Speaker 3: Chicago before.

514
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Speaker 2: Since that was Hoger Boom's last season, I couldn't remember

515
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Speaker 2: if they had gone back to Danny.

516
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Speaker 3: So it was eighty five, right Boom? Yeah, Okay, So

517
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: the fact that you said that, I'm going with my narrative.

518
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: Coaches make points, and sometimes coaches try to make a point,

519
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: even at the of their careers and career numbers they were.

520
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to use it with the T word.

521
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: Coaches will not put their best foot forward if they're

522
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: trying to make a point with the team that he's coaching.

523
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: At that time, we had all gone, we were done

524
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: with Danny White and.

525
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Speaker 2: He was still starting. By the way, who Danny White

526
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Speaker 2: eight five?

527
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Speaker 3: He did not play in that game.

528
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: You don't think he did.

529
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: I don't think he did. All right, take a look,

530
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: Well you can't. You wouldn't know because they had zero.

531
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Speaker 3: So it mattered here here, let me say this top

532
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Speaker 3: We voted Hoga Boom in and Tom Day said, okay,

533
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: you want Hoga boom Man, you take him, and he

534
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: put him out there against the dogs. That's that's that's coaching.

535
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: That's what coaches do. Drew Pearson got mad at me

536
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: a long time ago. He said, man, Tom Land, you

537
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: would never throw a game. He threw him out there.

538
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 3: He make a point, make a point because as far

539
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: as coach is concerned, is it this game or my

540
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: reputation with my team that I have to look out for.

541
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: He wanted to establish dominance as the coach on this team.

542
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: I will go to my grave thinking that, Okay, that

543
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: game or not, whether it was that game or not,

544
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: when he sent Hoga Boom out there, he sent him

545
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: out there with not much to work with. And he

546
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: sat there and like you know how there crossed his

547
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: arms and let the play go to a tune of

548
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: forty four to zero. Man, gonna check it out right

549
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: now to see if that's correct. And they did this.

550
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: I think we did the same thing with Reggie Callier.

551
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: Reggie call you may have played in that game, Spags,

552
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: It may have been Reggie.

553
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: Reggie played in the final game.

554
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: Eighty six, eighty six six, so it was eighty six.

555
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: He played against Chicago, right, We played on twice.

556
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: So both both guys played in that game. Danny was

557
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: nine to seventeen for one hundred and seven yards and

558
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: Hogeboom was six of twenty two for six yards, sixty

559
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: yards and oh my god, three interceptions. Oh my, so

560
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: he must have started and then got.

561
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he was getting that. Tom was over there.

562
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: That's your man. Yeah, that's guy.

563
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 2: What now now, Okay, no, it says it says Danny's

564
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: did I started, Yeah, he's.

565
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: Put We put him out there, put him out there,

566
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: that's your guy. Unbelievable straight Super Bowl shuffle. Yeah, that

567
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: was it that.

568
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: I mean, look, and I asked that question because again

569
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: last season, Detroit came in with the vendetta and it

570
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: was off of the year before. It was the substitution

571
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: whatever it was that they scored a touchdown and it

572
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: was overturned turned.

573
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: They were still mad about that play.

574
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: They were they were, they were but hurt human because

575
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: they screwed it up. It was their fault. It was

576
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: their fault because they tried to fake everybody out and

577
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: they faked out the head referee.

578
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: I just remember thinking, if you know, there's a there's

579
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: like the honor amongst thieves, right with coaches, Like there's

580
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: a there's universal law in football, like if I'm kneeling,

581
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: don't bring your defense, or if I'm running the ball,

582
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 4: that's showing that I'm not trying to even play anymore.

583
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: Don't run the clock up on me anymore. Dan Campbell said,

584
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: the hell with that.

585
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: I am going to keep my dogs on the field

586
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 4: for four quarters that I am trying to rub your

587
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: face in it. And I was like, man, if i'm

588
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy, if I see him outside of this building,

589
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: I'm throwing a shot.

590
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: If you do something like that, then damn it, you'd

591
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: better go all the way. Well he did.

592
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: There was a game not go on. There was a game.

593
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: I think it was Sunday. Some team was leading. I

594
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: can't remember again, I don't remember who it was, but

595
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: whoever was ahead, the other team was like so far

596
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: behind it was over with, and the team from behind

597
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: kept calling time out. They're not going to catch you.

598
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: And the quarterback said, well, screw that, I'm throwing for

599
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: the end zone.

600
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: Right, And that's what they did.

601
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm not apologizing for it. Right, They shouldn't have called

602
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: time out. I've seen that happen. Yeah, I've seen that happen.

603
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: It's like I remember I went to a freezing coal

604
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: Missouri Kansas State game. Right, it was at Missouri, and

605
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: it's freezing, and they're beating with Kansas State. I don't know,

606
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: I've gone to so many of years, and they're beating

607
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: them by three touchdowns, right, and and Kansas State's calling

608
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 2: time out and throwing for the end zone every play, right,

609
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: and I'm saying, we'll screw it.

610
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: Blitz.

611
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not worried about that. I'm gonna blitz.

612
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if they could hear me from no,

613
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: they probably they probably trying to help.

614
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: Look, this is uh in this game.

615
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: We probably haven't brought this guy up, this this and

616
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: this is but this being the last show before the game.

617
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: UH ivory LT. Then I stole that from Newie Scruggs.

618
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: He called Aiden Hutcheson Ivory.

619
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Speaker 3: I like it. I've real t it's hilarious. But that defense, uh,

620
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: some of us.

621
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Speaker 4: Even though they lost their defensive coordinator, they still have

622
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: some of the same characteristics. But I find it very

623
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Speaker 4: interesting some of the things that they're going through in

624
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: their secondary. Although they're stout up front, they have a

625
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: ton of injuries that they're having to deal with. As

626
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, I believe it was Terry and

627
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: Arnold Arnold who just got relegated to i R yesterday,

628
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: that was.

629
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Speaker 3: Some of the news that came through shoulder. Yeah, it

630
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: was his shoulder.

631
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Speaker 4: And also they're dealing Kirby Joseph, who's also their their

632
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: free safety. He's dealing with something as well. So they

633
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: are beat up on the back half of their defense. Now,

634
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, Mickey, I'm sure you heard George Pickens yesterday,

635
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: and George Pickens was just talking about teams that play

636
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: Man versus teams that plays home and all of those things,

637
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 4: and he's I don't I won't call it arrogance. He

638
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: was just stating the facts of it. Don't matter what

639
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: they play. They haven't been able to stop it. And

640
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: I was like, they've seen it all. I could you

641
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 4: imagine being out there these two alpha males. Yeah, I mean,

642
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: I'm sure they've thrown everything at them.

643
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: And you know, I know you guys probably talked about yesterday,

644
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: but if they thought that the matchup with those our

645
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: wide receivers and their dbs was going to be formidable,

646
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: it was not.

647
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: No.

648
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: We ate, yeah, we ate well. And to me, they

649
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: were talking about how good McDuffie is. Yeah, McDuffie was

650
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: trying to go. He was trying to leave early. Well,

651
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: that's what happens when you got three or four pis.

652
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: And I've come up with a new stat that they

653
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: need to keep. Somebody's keeping it. But you don't see it, right,

654
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: how many times the defense gets called for pass interference?

655
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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys two wide receivers. Now, I've heard that somebody

657
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: came up with something that they lead the league in

658
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Speaker 2: pass interference, And so I decided, though, you should get

659
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Speaker 2: credit for when they call pass interference and you catch

660
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Speaker 2: the ball, you should get extra like another five yards.

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Speaker 2: I caught it, all right, it doesn't matter. I want

662
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Speaker 2: five more yards. Agree with that, because you know, darn well,

663
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Speaker 2: Pickens has caught a bunch of passes right that, there

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Speaker 2: are pis and it's like, well, no, we're declining that.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say this to you, Mickey, It's called

666
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Speaker 3: pro football focus. They keep up with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not, I'm not believing it, but I'm

668
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: just throwing it out there. Somebody said, but but but.

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Speaker 4: In this, in this situation, you have an offense right

670
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Speaker 4: now that, even going up against a physical defense, that

671
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Speaker 4: their style or their mantra is we're gonna play in

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00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: the phone booth. We don't mind playing man man. They're

673
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: not gonna switch who They not switch up who they are.

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Speaker 4: That's their scheme. But how in the how do they

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Speaker 4: take the field and say we're gonna stop George Pickens

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Speaker 4: and Ceedee Lamb from going nuclear on us.

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Speaker 2: The only way you can stop them is stop DAK.

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Speaker 3: And the only way you can stop Dak is to

679
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 3: keep him off the field. Right. So, offensively, they they're

680
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: like us. They are like us. That's just the way

681
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: it is. They they're strong, well, we're strong in every position.

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Speaker 3: And I would even look at the coaches as well,

683
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: two very good coaches. They know that team very well

684
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Speaker 3: and it's close to that team. Yo, Capbell. He was

685
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Speaker 3: doing that last year, two years before that, pulling his

686
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Speaker 3: heart out, being emotional in front of his team, not

687
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Speaker 3: being afraid to show how vulnerable he is as a coach.

688
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: And here they are. They trust him. And it's the

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Speaker 3: same with Shatty.

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Speaker 2: I know we've got to go to break her, right,

691
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Speaker 2: But I'm going to throw this out. It's in the Lions'

692
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: weekly release and I was trying to look out where

693
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Speaker 2: they ranked, like points per game, total offense, passing, whatever, right,

694
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Speaker 2: and they compared it to the Cowboys, But I wasn't

695
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: looking at that points per game. They're tied for third, right,

696
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Speaker 2: Guess who's second the Cowboys? Yeah, all right, Total offense

697
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: they're third. Guess who's first the Cowboys. They are fourth

698
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: in rushing offense. I'll give them this one. The Cowboys

699
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: are thirteenth. Passing offense, they're seventh. Cowboys are number one.

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Speaker 2: So I was looking there thinking, oh, this offense, right,

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Speaker 2: and the two running backs got to deal with them.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: But the Cowboys are right up there third down offense percentage,

704
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Speaker 2: they're nineteenth. The Cowboys are fifth. Now where they're tops

705
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Speaker 2: big time is giveaways. They've only had eight. They're ranked

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Speaker 2: eight they ranked second, they're only giving up eight. The

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Speaker 2: Cowboys are eighteenth. They've had fifteen giveaways. But when you

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00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: look at well, think about some of those yep but

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Speaker 2: bumbles that cost them touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: But think about how we overcame those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, they're right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not know it's fifteen. I think that's

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Speaker 3: why the number seems big, because of the sex, the

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Speaker 3: success that we've had.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's like one and a half the game almost.

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Speaker 4: Well, we got let's take our last break, guys, but

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Speaker 4: when we come back, we got to do our picks

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Speaker 4: to click. Bill's already sent his in and he went

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Speaker 4: We don't, Bill, I know you watching. You got to

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Speaker 3: Is that that's right, Chris? For us be premature on

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Speaker 3: that you guys are traveling, It must be true. Mick

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Speaker 3: is out here. What's time the plane leave? Mick?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think a little bit before two o'clock.

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Speaker 4: For two o'clock, So everybody's on the plane. I feel like, guys,

770
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Speaker 4: that this game is going to come down to a

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Speaker 4: head scratching decision. That's Dan Campbell. He makes some decisions

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Speaker 4: that just why. You know, like they were fourth downs

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Speaker 4: things like that. He is a gambling you know what,

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Speaker 4: he'll do it.

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Speaker 3: He shows his players that he believes.

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Speaker 2: I thought gambling in the NFL was not allowed, Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's not. But risk taker, he shows his players

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Speaker 3: he believes in them, no matter what the situation.

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Speaker 2: They have gone for it on fourth down twenty five.

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Speaker 2: They're only thirteen of twenty five. I mean, that's that

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Speaker 2: fifty percent.

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean, he that's so. I just feel like

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Speaker 4: in this game he's not going to change the spots

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden. It's not He's gonna be even

785
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Speaker 4: more stubborn. Come on, you know you can prime time Cabell.

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Speaker 4: You can look at Cabell and tell he's not backing

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Speaker 4: down from anything.

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Speaker 2: But you know what it's causing. The opponents have gone

789
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Speaker 2: for it on fourth down thirteen for twenty three, twenty

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Speaker 2: three times. He's provoking.

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Speaker 3: That's what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: And I hope, my hope is that he does not

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Speaker 4: provoke in this situation less the situation calls for it

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Speaker 4: down the gold line.

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Speaker 3: You know how I feel about that.

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Speaker 4: But I just think you have two coaches that have

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Speaker 4: shown how much they believe in their in their team

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Speaker 4: and their willingness to go forward on fourth down. A

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Speaker 4: lot was made of Shad Nahma's decision against Philadelphia when

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Speaker 4: he went forward you know, midfield, you know, basically first

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Speaker 4: drive of the game, and a lot of people didn't

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Speaker 4: agree with that. But either way, you know, this is

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Speaker 4: going to be one of those kinds of games. Anything

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Speaker 4: that we didn't cover, Mickey, that you you got in

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Speaker 4: the book of balling over there that you want to

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Speaker 4: get into.

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Speaker 2: Well, we haven't mentioned Jamir Gibbs's name, have we We

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Speaker 2: have not. Or David Montgomery we have not.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to bring him up. We should, I

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00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: don't want to wait, we should? That's that's you know this,

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Speaker 3: This that's thunder enlightning right there.

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Speaker 2: Run defense over the last the three game winning streak.

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Speaker 2: It's giving up right at sixty. I think I've figured

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Speaker 2: out sixty eight rushing yards a game, which is a

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Speaker 2: hell of a lot less than what they had been

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Speaker 2: giving up previously. Now, can they keep it up against.

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Speaker 3: This office offense, right, Because the thing is, it's not

818
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Speaker 3: just the yardage, it's the momentum of a game. Gibbs

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Speaker 3: can change the entire momentum of a game. He can

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Speaker 3: He can make things happen just by demoralizing you with

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Speaker 3: the way he runs and how quickly it happens. It's

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Speaker 3: almost like you know, you're you're sitting up here about

823
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Speaker 3: to fight a guy, and y'all are face to face

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, he just slapped the hell

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Speaker 3: out of you. He wo analogy because you where they

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Speaker 3: lit come from. You're taking the back, yeah, And that's

827
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Speaker 3: how fast he is. You can be taking the back

828
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Speaker 3: about how quickly and suddenly they can score. That's why

829
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: you have to trust everybody on the field to be

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00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: where they're supposed to be. We should be done with

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Speaker 3: these mixed blown assignments. If everyone is where they're supposed

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Speaker 3: to be, you minimize, you don't eliminate, You minimize what

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00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: the damage they can do to you.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just yards. They got a neat static here.

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Speaker 2: They have each rushed for more than over twenty three

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Speaker 2: twenty four twenty five combined. Right, They've each rushed for

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Speaker 2: more than thirty touchdowns. Gibbs has thirty six in three

838
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Speaker 2: years and Montgomery has thirty one. That's a ton of production,

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Speaker 2: not just yards they're getting in the end zone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the other thing about Gibbs that really

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00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: scares me is him catching the ball out of the

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Speaker 4: backfield also, And I think that's and I've said it

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Speaker 4: in this game and Bill took my guy overshown because

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Speaker 4: I feel like he is the key because you've talked

845
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Speaker 4: about this linebacker play for a long time and him

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Speaker 4: mirroring the running back.

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Speaker 3: You have to see it.

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Speaker 4: And shoot, you can't wait on this guy, Jamiir Gibbs

849
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Speaker 4: because by the time you wait, he's already gone. He hits,

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Speaker 4: He hits the line of scrimmage already with a full

851
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: head of steam. And Montgomery is the complete opposite being

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00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: that when it comes down to third and two, anything short,

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's built like a ball in ball.

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Speaker 3: To bring him, yeah, it is hard. It is hard

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Speaker 3: for one man to bring him.

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Speaker 4: And that is the thing about them, the combination of

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Speaker 4: them too. And as everybody talks about the running back

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Speaker 4: by committee, if I'm going to have a running back

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Speaker 4: by committee, that's what I wanted to look like just

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Speaker 4: like those guys.

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Speaker 2: He's already got Gibbs, already got a thousand yards rush.

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00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're not hearing about that, because if I

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Speaker 2: knew Barkley, or.

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Speaker 3: Or I knew when I saw him score was that

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Speaker 3: two weeks ago and just took off still farming people

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Speaker 3: on the way. He wasn't just he wasn't just untouched.

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Speaker 3: He was touched by three or four or five guys,

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Speaker 3: and he still came out of it and still had

869
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: enough to go to the house. So Mick, we talked

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Speaker 3: about it. He brought us all down.

871
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: And thank you, but I thought that we were a

872
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: little bit remissed.

873
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: Fine, fine, so we bought him off.

874
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: My revamp defense.

875
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: Something something to be, something else to put on your

876
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: mind as we go into tomorrow and Thursday.

877
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: But we're gonna start with you ever soon. Come on, now,

878
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: tell us about you. I want some soup, all right,

879
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: I want some soup, all right? Thirty three thirty cowboys.

880
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 3: Aubrey's gonna win it for us.

881
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: That's it, Butter, You're going to all right, go on, Butter,

882
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: I am going to go in aw. I'm saying this

883
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 4: is a twenty four to twenty seven, game at low

884
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: that low twenty four to twenty seven, and I am

885
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: going to go with Kittle Kelsey. I think you're going

886
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: to be concentrating on those wide receivers and your tight

887
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 4: end is going to have opportunity to bust this game open.

888
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: So I'm going with ferguson the Cowboys scores not first,

889
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: I take.

890
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: No no, I said, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah,

891
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: this Cowboys win, all right.

892
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: I got Cowboys thirty five, thirty one, and I am

893
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: going to take Davante Williams.

894
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: Davonte Williams. By the way, I was at an event

895
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: in Fort Worth last night and everyone loves turping. Yes,

896
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: everyone loves turping, and boy all we could do was

897
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: just bag on his butt all night long last night.

898
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: Well, and this will make you guys laugh.

899
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 3: This is for you.

900
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: Our mail bag question for today was Turpin seems to

901
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: be involved in the offense so much it's taken away

902
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: from his special teams returns. Do you think he should

903
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: be concentrating on special teams? My answer was absolutely not.

904
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: I want the ball in his as much as I can.

905
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: Man, When he catched that ball, it's twenty yards right there. Everybody,

906
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 3: whoa what does happened?

907
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: Well, how about the fumble recovery?

908
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: Yes? Huge much? Hey that's that's that just offsets, It

909
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: just upsets because he made one. He got one right.

910
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 4: Naden frisco Is always said, Hey, it's gonna be about

911
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 4: a matter of time.

912
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: You put him at running back. Somebody gonna show him

913
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: it's coming. Now. Way, let's put Bill Bill's bill thirty

914
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: to twenty seven, Agent zero. That's what Bill has, Yes.

915
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 4: Right, all right, Cowboy Nation will be back for Friday

916
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: victory Friday. Here on mixed shot, Oh Cowboys, Cowboy Nation,

917
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: I hope your team wins.

918
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

919
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

920
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: Put your shoulder, h