1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: And That's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio podcast. Welcome back. We're here for 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: another episode of and That's what you really missed. And 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: we have a wonderful, awesome, really cool guest today and 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Amy Winner, if you will. Mr Robert Ulrich, the Glee 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: casting director, himself extraordinaire. He cast Glee, he cast the 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Glee Project, He was on the Glee Project, and then 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: he cast a million shows after that, worked very closely 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: with Ryan Murphy on many other shows. And we learned 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: so much and he was he gave away a lot 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: of secrets. Yeah, and I feel like talking to him 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: provided a lot of flashbacks for us for our auditions 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: and whatnot. Yeah, it takes me back to that place. True, Yeah, totally. 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: And it's I also feel like the casting director's perspective 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: is one that's not necessarily hurt as much. You hear 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: all of our versions of the audition stories over and 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: over and over. Um, it's very enlightening to hear um 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: his perspective of the entire experience. I was also going 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: to say during the interview, Um, I'm really grateful that 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: he has such fond memories of the show as well. 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: It just goes to show again what we're doing on 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: this podcast is like all the joy that was surrounded 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: and all the good people that we were surrounded by, 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and that we're like lifting us up and supporting us 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: through it all. You know, it's like again and just 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: another testimonial to like the wonderful things that really did 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: for people. So yeah, it was all very It all 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: felt very joyous and very celebratory, and we got to 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with him because he was 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: always included. He seems really grateful. He's just a really 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: good guy in um, Hollywood is lucky to have casting 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: directors like him. So let's get to it. Yeah, enjoy 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: our conversation with the gleecasting director Robert or work Um. 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Robert or the one and only, the god of us, 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: basically the reason for our existence. Casting director producer, uh, 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: the one we all at all too Hello, has cast, 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: like you know, over a billion shows. Just I don't 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: know how you have time to do anything that I have. 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I don't welcome. Luckily, I'm still working. That's the good 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: that's the good news. Yeah, so many shows after Glee 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: was like your big show for sure, Glue was Yes. 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: I mean I've done I've done Battlestar Galactica, which had 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: its own cult following totally and with my business arnder Eric, 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: and then I had done um oh, when I did 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: a show called Dark Angel and it was not long 46 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: after Titanic, and I remember hearing it was in development. 47 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: I loved Titanic. I'm like, oh, I'll never get that. 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: And then I got a call and I interviewed and 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: I got it. So, um, I've done those things. Those 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: were kind of the big things, but nothing likely. I 51 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: mean Glee. You know, Glee was a global phenomenon really, 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it helped me tremendously and um, yeah, 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: so that Glee was a great thing. Glee's the highlight 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: of my life for sure. Have you worked with Ryan before? 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'd worked with Brian from the beginning, but 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: I hadn't much. Um, we did Popular and we did Niptuck. 57 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: We'd already been up proNT in me for Niptuck. When 58 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: when you know, when Glee came around, Um, and my 59 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: business partner Ryan offered it too, because I've been in 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: one casting session for Niptuck and uh, and it's a 61 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: test network, test situation when Eric was out of town 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: for for Popular but I really didn't know Ryan at Also. 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Ryan offered it to Eric, and Eric came to me 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: a few days later and he said, Robert, would you 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: be interested to know you're into musicals and stuff. I'm like, yes, 66 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: and so I So Eric was on at the very 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: beginning for like two weeks and then, uh, it just 68 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: wasn't his thing, you know, But it took me a 69 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: while to earn to earn Ryan's trust for sure. I know, 70 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: it was like it was crazy because I just think 71 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: he thought, you know, I don't know what he thought, 72 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: but but anyway, I took it took a while. But 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: during the by the end of the whole pilot casting situation, 74 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: than I had definitely gotten distressed. And yeah, I think, so, yeah, 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: you sort of nailed it. You know, what was your 76 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: initial reaction before you had even taken on the casting, like, 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, but when I just read the yeah, yeah, 78 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was great, and I remember 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: thinking I can't imagine they'll be able to do this, 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: and then the fact that you guys did it week 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: after week is and it just got more and more 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: and more elaborate. You know. That was my first thing was, 83 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how this will ever come off, you know, 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: And that was probably just that I thought it was 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: really good. The first time I saw it, Ryan had 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Eric and I over to We watched it like on 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: a computer. It was the editing Bay or whatever, and 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: that was when I was just blown away and right, 89 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: and I knew that I knew it was special. But 90 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, who knew who knew? You know? And then 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: I remember they had a party for the episode. Which 92 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: episode was it? Where it was? She? It was the 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: song it was? It might have been was the second episode? Yes? Yes? 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: Was that the second episode? Yes? And there was a 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: screening party somewhere I remember, and with like you know, 96 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: popcorn and all kinds. Yeah, it was like high school 97 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: was out of high school yet Monica high school. Yeah. 98 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: And then I just knew that it was you know, 99 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: it was just so amazing, and yeah, I was obsessed. 100 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I used to get the dailies when they were on DVD. 101 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: I still have all these Wow you were very special dailies. 102 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: We all wanted the dailies, but we never got that 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: it was. Let me say, it was hard to get him. 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if anybody even knew. 105 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure I always kind of to angle my way 106 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: in and get those things. I don't think. I don't 107 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: know if anybody knew I was watching them. I was 108 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: so excited because I, you know, be able to see 109 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: this stuff that was happening even before the show was 110 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: cut right right, and I was so into it. Yeah, 111 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: what is it like on your end? You know, because 112 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: we're only privy to very much our side of when 113 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: you go audition for something, you go into room and 114 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: you have all those thoughts into your head on your 115 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: side of things like during the initial casting of this 116 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: casting the pilot, especially what because this was such a 117 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: unique and different show and like you said, no one 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: thought it would be able to be pulled off. What 119 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: were your I don't know what were you looking for? 120 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: I guess in terms of like I bombed my initial 121 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: and somehow, but somehow you were like, yeah, the maniot, 122 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: you can't say that anymore now. Yeah, but see from 123 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: my perspective, I was like, yeah, but when you're going 124 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: in and you're looking for all of these intentionally different, 125 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, outcast type characters, are you seeing people you're 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: not normally seeing? Like? What what was that like for you, well, 127 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Ryan was You know, Ryan is incredible in in obviously 128 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: a million ways, but one of the ways is that 129 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he wants and so he's very 130 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: specific and you know what you're looking for. But at 131 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: the same time, he's completely open too something new, you know, 132 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: like the Chris cole for of it all. You know 133 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: that wast so um So. What I did, uh know though, 134 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: was that he wanted real kids. I mean, he said, 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: I want this to I want everybody to seem really real, 136 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: like you know, real high school students. So that was 137 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: kind of my um my thought when I went into 138 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: the casting, and that, you know, he didn't want it 139 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: to come off at all fake, and obviously everybody had 140 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: the same um So I had I had done a 141 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: because at that point, you know, now there's so many musicals. 142 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: There wasn't you know, there wasn't there weren't TV musical 143 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: So I had figured out a system that worked and 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: continued to work the whole time on a pilot that 145 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: I was involved with a couple of years before, called Rhapsody, 146 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: which was an NBC pilot. It was amazing. It was 147 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: every season was going to be a different artist and 148 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: the first season was Elton John and so it was 149 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: all his library music and it was very kind of dark, 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: like a Romeo and Juliet kind of sexy dark thing 151 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: that took place a little bit in the future, in 152 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: the in the aerospace. It was very interesting, very good. Anyway, 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: we got all the way to the going to the 154 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: network test and then they pulled the plug. I think 155 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: it was just, you know, so hard for anybody to 156 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: wrap their head around Ryant. But it was really good. 157 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: But during that I had kind of had this system 158 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: where I had people come and sing a couple of 159 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: songs to me in the office like you did, Kevin, 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: just right across the desk from me, if I remember, 161 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: and um and then uh. And then we would go 162 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: to the producers and I'd have a pianist because I 163 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: always felt from my musical theater background that that good 164 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: singers are better with the pianist, and and people that 165 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: aren't is good or helped tremendously by by a companiment, 166 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: you know. But that was around American audo, where everything 167 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: was just people just singing acapella. But anyway, so I 168 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: had a piano player and he I for whatever reason, 169 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was working, and so I investigated 170 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: somehow I got Brad Ellis and so when this came around, 171 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: I thought of Brad, you know, I did exactly the 172 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: same thing, and we would I get the collection of 173 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: the people and we go over to to the studio 174 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: on and Ryan and Ian and everybody was there and um, 175 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: and that's how we did it. So it all it 176 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: seemed to just work out great. You know, that's the 177 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: way that it worked. And we did that for the 178 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: whole show, you know. I mean there's been along people 179 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: saying acapella for the guest spots because obviously they did 180 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: in our little teeny space in my office. It's crazy. 181 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: We had people like flipping and doing everything in that 182 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: little room. Now that they think about it, so bizarre. 183 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: We also we would because we cast the initial warplers, 184 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, and so we we um Alanna who worked 185 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: with me. I don't know if you guys know Alana, 186 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: she and Rory who worked with me, and Rory ended 187 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: up on Glee as bad Girl singer. Um. We they 188 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: would figure out this little dance routine and um, and 189 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: they would teach it and we I have videos still 190 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: where people would be lined up and down the hallway 191 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: they'd be in. It was crazy doing that silly little 192 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: routine and that's what we'd send to Ryan, and that's 193 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: how people got cast, you know. So somebody did have 194 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: to dance for their audition after all they did. You know. 195 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: It's funny because I always hear that they danced for 196 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: the initials initial auditions and nobody, but none of us 197 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: would have been cast. So went on. Everybody danced for 198 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: all the guest spots. Once they realized they made during 199 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: the pilot, they made a real mistake not having any 200 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: of us dance. I think I just started doing it. 201 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't even know. Ryan was so great about letting me. 202 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we only went to studio I think after 203 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: you guys one time, I believe, and that was when 204 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Cord was cast, because even Darren was just cast off 205 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: of a tape, you know, and nobody and Diana was 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: cast like the night before he started shooting. No one 207 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: saw her until she showed. I remember that. What a 208 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: wild and cookie casting experience for everybody. I know, it 209 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: was ugly. It was the most wild, you know, and 210 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times the stuff that was being asked 211 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: because wasn't there like a circus episode or something where 212 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: people had somebody had some kind of and the way 213 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: people doing all these like circus skills in the office. Yeah, 214 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: there were there were times when people needed that. Yeah. Yeah, 215 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: there was crazy and then there was Yeah, there was 216 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of bizarre stuff that you on no other 217 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: show before since I've ever been involved with you know, 218 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: now you're just you're prepped and ready to go for 219 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: anything that come. I've done it since was Zoe for 220 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: another musical stuff. But yeah, it's crazy, Kevin. Your audition 221 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: was great and I always always say you'd tell that 222 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: and you saying let it be not. I remember all 223 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: this stuff like it was yesterday because it was so 224 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: fun for me. Everything is so vivid to me still. 225 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: You know. I remember when Naya auditioned. We were in 226 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: a rush and we had because I think that role 227 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: got written in later, and and she literally we stood 228 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: and I just said saying something, saying something because their 229 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: look was so great, and she's saying just kind of 230 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: standing across the before she went over to sing for everybody. 231 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: It was just crazy. Wow. Yeah, but you knew you 232 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: still saw something in all of us, right, Oh yeah, no, no, 233 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean for sure. And even though Jenna 234 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: came from New York, she's still went to the whole 235 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: process here and we're up against people here, and that's 236 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: always I'm so glad that that, um it doesn't exist anymore, 237 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: and I don't think that it will ever come back. 238 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: I hope where people going to the network room and 239 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: the room at least there it was the same room, right, 240 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Mostly you have to go to a different location and right, yeah, 241 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: it's changed so much now you'll never see suits at home. 242 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: You know. It was so weird, you sitting in a 243 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: room with your competitors signing your life away for five years. 244 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a terrible system. But at 245 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: least with Glee it was there was a piano in 246 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: the room, so it kind of hit it like a party, 247 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: and it was different than than most network tests. What 248 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: you're just hideous, you know, and having Brad like Brad 249 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: was the pianist through all of it. I was lucky 250 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: enough to be in l A the whole time, so 251 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I yeah, I got him for three out of the 252 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: four auditions. Yeah, all except for the one with me. Yeah, exactly. 253 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: And and also you know, there's something really I think 254 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: anybody that meets you, You're like incredibly warm and encouraging 255 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: to people, and so you and Ryan during those studio 256 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: and network tests also made a point to make everybody 257 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: feel comfortable because it is a really if you haven't 258 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: been through it, such a pressure cooker. Yeah, it's an awful, 259 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: awful experience. It was just so archaic, and it happened 260 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: for so many years. Everybody just thought that it's what 261 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: the way it should be. And and every time I 262 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: think about it, just so crazy too, because you're you're 263 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: asked to perform for this room full of people, and 264 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and yet when you're on camera it's going to be 265 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: like this exactly. Well, it became kind of performative. I 266 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: mean it was it's a whole different thing. It turned 267 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: into you need to know how to audition, but that's 268 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: necessarily the same skill as acting on a team show 269 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: or in a film, you know, And there are people 270 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: that were great auditioners and people that were terrible auditioners. 271 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: You know. I had nothing to do with actually the 272 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: talent of getting the you know, the job and doing 273 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: it on the show. But that's right. I think we 274 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of listeners probably that are pursuing this 275 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: as a career, young young adults, and I know they 276 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: hear it over and over again, but I'm sure hearing 277 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: it from you, like you want them to be the 278 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: person you do. I mean it only, I mean even 279 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: just from a very self fish standpoint. It just makes 280 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: my job easier if people are good and right, you know, 281 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of it's been right too, but uh, 282 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: but yes, and it just yeah, I always wanted everybody 283 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: to be their best, you know, always, you know, from 284 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: the and and luckily, I mean maybe because I was 285 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: an actor and married too to an actress. Actor now 286 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: it's an actor. Uh, you know, I had christ have 287 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: incredible empathy for for the art because it's terrible and 288 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: trying to get a job is just the hardest thing 289 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: in the world. We ask you to come in and 290 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: be vulnerable, and and half the time you're in the past, 291 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: you were in the waiting room for three hours and 292 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: you have to come in and you know, it's just 293 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: it's a crazy system. But unfortunately it's the only system 294 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: that there is. You know, that's right, that's right. How 295 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: is it now nowadays for you? Because the system is 296 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: so different, so I mean before and people who aren't 297 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: in this business Um. Now, as actors, we all sort 298 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: of tape ourselves at home and send in tapes. How 299 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, I personally prefer that because 300 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: I'm a ball of nerves and I hate auditioning. However, 301 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: the times that I've done the best and these things 302 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: are like when I was with you, where you are 303 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: able to have the personal connection and maybe you can 304 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: see through you know that the nerves and all that 305 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: to something that even maybe I don't necessarily recognize it myself. 306 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: How has that that shift been for you in terms 307 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: of your work? Well, initially, I was very opposed to 308 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: it because I love people, and I love my favorite 309 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: part of my job really was meeting the people, meeting 310 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, and um, and so I mean I was 311 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: never I've never been somebody who's enjoyed the negotiating side 312 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: of or any of that. It's just not my favorite part. 313 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: But um, but I was super opposed to it. And uh, 314 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: and I thought you could never do chemistry readings unless 315 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: you were in the room and all that. I think 316 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: that there's you know, and I loved going to my 317 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: office and everything in my office. We gave up our office. 318 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: We held on to it for a year and then yeah, 319 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: it's really sad. That was a lifetime of goodness. I 320 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: think about it every time I go past I didn't 321 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: know then the four and twenty next stor every day 322 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: that's gone. I mean, but anyway, so I am. I 323 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: was very sad about it. But I think that overall 324 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: it is better. I mean, the only thing you miss is, 325 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: which is a big thing, is the personal connection and 326 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: the getting to know the casting director and the producers. 327 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: That and you also miss when you're auditioning. It's now 328 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: a a job about making a choice that happens to 329 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: be the right choice because you don't have the cast 330 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: director that or anybody saying, oh no, that's not what 331 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: they want to do it this way. You just have 332 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: to make a choice and hope that you know. So 333 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: that's the big negative. But I think that the positive 334 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: is so much because for anybody that's the least bit 335 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: nervous that gets wiped out. Also, you can do it 336 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: a hundred times until you're happy with it. It's also 337 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: a business about, like I said, being being close up 338 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: and everybody's you know. So all that I think is 339 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: so I think overall it's better. Yeah, And and I 340 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: don't know when it will ever get back to the 341 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: other way, because I don't even know a casting I mean, 342 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are many casts have kept their own offices, 343 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: but I don't I know so many that have given 344 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: up their offices, you know. Yeah, why why waste the 345 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: money when you're not using it? It's sitting there vacant, 346 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's interesting. It's it's interesting because, like 347 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: you said, for me, taping gets rid of the nerves 348 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: for me. But I also take direction really well in 349 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: the room, and I know that casting directors noticed that. 350 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: So for me, it's like making the shifts is where 351 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: I really thrive. And not to be able to not 352 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: be able to do that and have any direction it 353 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: really does you know, it isn't beneficial in many ways. 354 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Glee project? UM, tell us 355 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: about how Ryan came to you with the project and 356 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: what he said to you, and what that experience was 357 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: like for you because we only we were so busy 358 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: working on the actual show, like we only got little 359 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: tastes of it. Yeah, the the the Glee project, along 360 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: with Glee was the highlight of my professional life for sure. 361 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean it was amazing, um ther Ryan told me 362 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: we were, there was a party at the chateau for 363 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: some That's the other thing is as a casting director, 364 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: you never rarely meet the cast. And I had never 365 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: been included in anything or had so many parties. I mean, 366 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: so I was we were always all together and you Yeah. 367 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: So I was there and Ryan came up to me 368 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: and he said, I have something Monday. I'm gonna tell 369 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: you that's gonna make you You're gonna be very excited. 370 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, can you tell me now? Dangle the carrot? Right, 371 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: So I never heard anything. I didn't hear anything Monday. 372 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: I didn't anything Tuesday, didn't he And a couple of 373 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: weeks later, Dante called me and said that there was 374 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: going to be this reality show and UM, could I 375 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: start looking for people? You know? So they so initially 376 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: it was on my Space and that's right, yeah, on 377 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: my space and they and they they provided initially offices 378 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: at twenty and I had six people I could bring, 379 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: and we divided it by alphabet and we'd watch tapes 380 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: from morning till night and um, and then at the 381 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: end of the night they'd show me all their selections, 382 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: you know whatever. And so that's what started, and we 383 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: did that, and then we got a call from Dante 384 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: that Ryan needed a needed to see a bunch of 385 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: people the next day or something, and I'm like, oh 386 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: my gosh, we haven't you know. So we stayed up 387 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: till six thirty in the morning. I rememberly we were leaving, 388 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: all of the sun was coming up and and then 389 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: we never showed it at that point. Then the whole 390 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: thing went away and was was completely gone, and months 391 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: later came back and then they had the people from 392 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: not from Oxygen, but the main producers come talk to 393 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: me and they said, could I developed some kind of 394 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: system for auditioning for that? And they said, we're gonna 395 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: see you know, we saw a hundred thousand people. I mean, 396 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: that's what's crazy. But oh yeah, we saw fifty thousand 397 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: per season and that was the hot to got your it, 398 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: and so, you know, I never been in a situation 399 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: like that. You know, Wow, it was insane. And Damien 400 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: Samuel and Alex Newell were all people that we had 401 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: seen at twenty century Fox in that little room, and 402 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: so I remembered them and brought them back into the 403 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, to audition. Maybe we use there, I don't know, 404 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: because it was it wasn't on my space anymore. And 405 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: then I had a team, and I mean it was, 406 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: it was amazing. And then when we um, they hired 407 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: a reality uh company that would set up the open calls, 408 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: and I did open calls and at that time they 409 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: I swear to god, they were like American Idol Chicago. 410 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: People had camped out the night before in the snow. 411 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: The first person that came in was a pregnant woman. 412 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: She started singing and had to be rushed to the hospital. 413 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: That's the truth. I mean, people have been all night. 414 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: You know, how did we not know any of this 415 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: was going on? That's oh it was. It was crazy, 416 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: crazy And and the first season we just went to 417 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: two cities, Chicago and Fort Worth. The next year we 418 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: went to New York, Chicago and Nashville. These open calls 419 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: were giants. So between the open calls and the online 420 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: submissions because we had an online thing, and the in 421 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: office auditions, that's how we came up with the people. 422 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: And and when we got back from the open calls, UM, 423 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: it was I narrowed it down and Alex Newman and 424 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: I had Joe McCullum then and Lana and there were 425 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of wenned down the five hundred people from 426 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: from fifty thousand, and those five hundred we put on 427 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: the walls in office. The pictures are crazy. It covered 428 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: my entire office categories, you know, because I really wanted 429 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: it to be diverse and in in every way, you know, 430 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: especially the second season. Um and so uh. From that, 431 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: we narrowed it down to eighty and those eighty from 432 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: fifty thousand came to Long Beach. They flew all over 433 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: the country and they did like a boot camp with 434 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: Zack and Nicky Anders, who was the vocal remember that. 435 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: And we narrowed that down to thirty people, and those 436 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: thirties sing for Ryan and then well for the first 437 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: season fourteen the next season. But I didn't really know, 438 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: and this is also the truth. I did not know 439 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: until I showed up the first day there that I 440 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: was on camera. I had I mean I didn't, I 441 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: had no idea. I'm like, what and they're saying You're 442 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: getting blah blah blah blah blah, and I'm like, oh 443 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: my god. And I wasn't. In those days. I was 444 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: a terrible public speaker. I was so nervous. I mean, 445 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: I was a mess, and maybe it's better you didn't 446 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: know then it probably and Darren was Darren was the 447 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: first mentor. And because I kind of knew Darren, he 448 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: made me very very relaxed, and he's good at that 449 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: and and and I just then after the first day, 450 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I got this, you know, And then 451 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: I then I really enjoyed it, and it was my Um. 452 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: I've never had any regrets at all. And that's the 453 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: honest truth about giving up my acting career. I was 454 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: not a good actor. I was I was a good 455 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: classroom actor, but I was terrible. And I had no regrets. 456 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: And I live bycarously to my wife. UM, but I 457 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: was able to live out any bit of that that remained, 458 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, on the Glee project. And so that's but 459 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I'm like, oh my gosh. And then 460 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: I was. There were five day shoots, which is a 461 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: lot for reality show, but because of the they had 462 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: the video and all the music and all that, and 463 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: I worked four the five days. It was crazy. And 464 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: at that point, um, somewhere in there, the new normal 465 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: was happening. And I did some lists for it because 466 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: at that point Ryan had only used our company. The 467 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: result and I got a call from him saying that 468 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Dana Walden said that I couldn't do it, that I 469 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: was talent now and I had to just and I 470 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: was like, yes, that's all I had to do was 471 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: Glee and Supernatural and and yeah that was good. Wow, wow, 472 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: wow wow. I'm sure that kept you busy for enough. 473 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: I used to come home and at night and I'd 474 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: be you know, and I'd getten bad and would be 475 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: like three in the morning, and the phone would bring 476 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: it to be Zack and I get my center, and 477 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: my son was at college, and Kim would go, you know, 478 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: go talk to your boyfriend, go talk, you know, and 479 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: so and Zach and I talked every single night during 480 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: the Glee project. Every night. Yeah, Zack is amazing, truly, 481 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: what a horse and never complained and did so much. 482 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: He's incredible. No, not yet, we're going to have him on. 483 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna happen effort. He's also so busy. He's still 484 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: so busy. He's always busy, tried to get together count 485 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, he's so wonderful. He's one of the 486 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: I feel like the publicly unsung heroes of making sure 487 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: that shows stayed on and working for as long as 488 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: it did. For sure, the fact that he never got 489 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: an Emmy nomination, I can't. I mean, it's so crazy 490 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: because he he took complete non dancers and then Harry 491 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: Showman Heather and made me look cohesive, yeah doing you know, 492 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: several number mini members by the end an episode of 493 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Every Style. I mean, he was a genius, I think. 494 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: And obviously Brooke is incredible too, and Mandy Moore came 495 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: on for when I worked with Mandy on Zoe's Yeah, 496 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: cruel people, I mean, I mean, speaking of Emmy's you 497 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: want an Emmy congratulate eleven? Right it was the second season. Yeah, yeah, 498 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, I've been up for eight Mmies. But 499 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: so but the only reason I say that is not 500 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: from a conceited standpoint, from a standpoint you sit through 501 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: that show, and in those days it was one night. 502 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: Now it's two nights, and it was four and half hours, 503 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and to lose we were either the 504 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: first award or the last award. Every You're just like, 505 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's wonderful, wonderful be nominated, and I hope 506 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: I am again. But but it was that. But yes, 507 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: so the first season, I actually I thought I was 508 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: gonna win because they had Jane Lynch presenting our award 509 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: and um and I just I don't know, I just 510 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: because it because it was this whole show of discovery, 511 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: you know. I thought that that I would probably in 512 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: Modern Family, which was incredible, and he's the genius caster, 513 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: director and one. But so the second season I didn't 514 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: think I would you know them, And then we did 515 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: and it was and my wife and Eric and his wife. 516 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: To show how excited we were when we won, neither 517 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: of us could remember who presented the award. I mean, 518 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: we just and the one person of All Blackout, All 519 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: Blackout forgot to think was Ryan And luckily people were 520 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: screaming from the audience, right. It was the most excited 521 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: I've ever been. Yeah, it was. It was. I do 522 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: feel that it was, you know, I mean, everybody just 523 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: deserves it, that's up. But I mean that was really 524 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: a show of of discovering. That really was. I mean, 525 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: hardly anyone I don't think anyone in the first season 526 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: except for Matthew Morrison, who had a major Broadway currently 527 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I have had him and I mean obviously you were 528 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: on Broadway, and so Leah was kind of in the 529 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: same situation as you. Really, I'd say Matthew Morrison was 530 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: the only person, wasn't he that had any kind of 531 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: major credits? Yeah, ish Yeah, I mean I feel like 532 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: this was really all of our big ob Yeah that 533 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: matt had done I think Hairspray at the time, and 534 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: maybe salth was itself, Pacific and or Light in the Piazza. Yeah, 535 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: but that was I mean even that, you know, it's 536 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: such a different scale of what, you know, what they 537 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: did Sufferent World, Yeah, exactly. This stuff was. It was really, 538 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: it was incredible. I was just so proud of it. 539 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: And I'll allow you guys, I mean every single person 540 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: cast on that I was so proud of and loved. Yeah, 541 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: very I mean, it was just it was an incredible show. 542 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: It was and I know that you know, there's all 543 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: the trashing of it at certain points, but that basically 544 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: happens to any show, but especially oh uh, you know big. 545 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: It was just so big. How did that feel too? 546 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: From your perspective of, you know, you cast the pilot, 547 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: we do the first thirteen and nobody's really seen anything. 548 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden it does become this phenomenon. 549 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: You're now on TV yourself. That was crazy, Like what 550 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean the like, how did your I guess professional 551 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: life besides the Glee project? Like what was that? Yeah? Like, well, 552 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 1: I mean I got um, I began to get you know, 553 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: in which people still do to this day. Um, people 554 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: buying me, you know, which they've never done before. You know, 555 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: where they pay money and it goes to a charity. 556 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: And we had lunch and stuff like that. That whole 557 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: thing have started. Happy we should never happened. Um. I 558 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: started getting you know, fan mail and a lot of 559 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: people reaching out, Um, a lot of kids reaching out 560 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: like in need, and so I would be onto the 561 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Trevor Project and all that stuff that I'd never been 562 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: associated with. You know, I just um because casting directors 563 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: were always kind of in the background, and I got 564 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: when I was on the Glee project. I have to 565 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: say that the casting community was so wonderful to me 566 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: because they were happy that I was representing it well 567 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: because the only insight the castracts at that point, and 568 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: TV had been kind of a lot of snarky and 569 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just not I mean, it's just not 570 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: my not my personality, you know. Um. So um it 571 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: was wonderful. I mean, there was nothing negative. It was 572 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: wonderful me. Who wouldn't you know? It was like I 573 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: was talking to Alex Newman the other day and we're like, 574 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that all that time during Glee when 575 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: they'd be like there's a party this week, there's a 576 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: party next happened in the community. For me, at least, 577 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: I remember speaking of we um. I would always kind 578 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: of have to sneak my way into like the SAG 579 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: Awards or any of those kind of things and manipulate it. 580 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: And and the year I was on the Glee project, 581 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: I got a call and they said, um, what time 582 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: do you want the car to come get you? I said, 583 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: what do you mean the car to come get me? 584 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: And they said, well, you know, to go to the 585 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: SAG Awards. I said, no one's ever called. And I said, 586 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: you're talent on that same word, and I'm like, well, 587 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: that's fun. And then I was seated between Jane and Corey. 588 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: That's the night that I was like, I've made it. 589 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: I made it in the world of cast I mean, 590 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: if anyone deserves to be at the SAG Wars, it's you. Yeah, 591 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: that room is in that room without casting directors. That's right, 592 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: I gotta says is the best one because it is 593 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: your peers and and everybody understands why they're there, and 594 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's just so I remember, I remember at 595 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: the SAG Awards, I think the first year, did you 596 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: guys won the first year? Didn't you? Yeah? Yeah, And 597 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: so I was kind of on the prop or whatever, 598 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: but I was talking to Diana and it seems like 599 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of you are around, and Meryl Street walked 600 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: up to them, I think the whole per picture. She said, 601 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: can I have my picture taken with you guys? To 602 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,959 Speaker 1: that to you guys, and I'm that is crazy. Yeah, 603 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: that was That was very surreal, like holding holding our 604 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: thirteen pound marble men with like you know you had 605 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: like Meryl and then like yeah, we said was there. 606 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: You're like, what is this life we live? Really really 607 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: really wonderful? Um? What was your favorite role? To Cass 608 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: do you have one? No? And this is not me bs, 609 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: and I really loved every single role and was happy 610 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: and proud of all of you and every roll. That 611 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: is the truth. The most difficult roles were, um, Finn 612 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: and Mercedes for sure. Um yeah, they were for sure 613 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: because because you know, Ryan really wanted um Finn to 614 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: be like this believable high school jock, you know, and 615 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: yet to sing great. And we had flown people out 616 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: from New York. We had so many auditions. And one 617 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: night it was like two in the morning. I was 618 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: in my office and Alex was out there and she 619 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: was going through tapes and she said, Robert, comes see 620 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: this guy. She said, he kind of looks like she 621 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: reminded her of Ben Affleck. But I went out and 622 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: watched him and he was drawing on this tumber where 623 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: and he sing and I'm like, well, he's amazing, but 624 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: he didn't say so um, So we called him, went 625 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: back on tape and and then drove himself out here 626 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: and that all and was you know, not in time 627 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: to even um get his visa. Yeah, so that was crazy. 628 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: So that was fun. And then Amber was also crazy 629 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: because we had flown people in from all over and 630 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: they were just ready to hire somebody who was not 631 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: a singer. She was a rapper and she was great 632 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: and fun and a wonderful actress and and but Ryan 633 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: kept saying, I really want that voice. And my friend 634 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: at the time, his girlfriend was either Amber's roommate or 635 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: saying with the Amber in church or something. Yeah, so 636 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: you said you can see this, and so I said okay, 637 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: And so she came to my office set across from me, 638 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: and she told this story. We won this, um my 639 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: business partners, and I won this thing called the Artist, 640 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: which is like a lifetime achievement thing. I'll have to 641 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: send you guys this ceremony because you guys are in 642 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: the video in the clips and stuff. Um. But anyway, so, 643 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: um uh Amber told the story there. So I'm saying 644 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: what you know, she said that she came in and 645 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 1: she didn't even have a picture. We had to print 646 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: it off of I think my space off of the 647 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: computer and and um, and she's saying something and I 648 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I just knew it wasn't the 649 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: voice that that Ryan wanted. So I said, you know, 650 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: what can you sing? Um, what's the name of it? 651 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: Telling you I'm not going from Dreamgirls whatever that? And 652 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, yeah, yeah, and I'm telling you And 653 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: she said, oh, well, I've never done it, but and 654 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: she's sang it, and I was like, oh my god, 655 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: we have it. And when we took her over, when 656 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: I took her oh it was. We used to play 657 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: her audition over and over and it was just like, 658 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Took over to Ryan and we knew 659 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: we had it. She was, I never heard that, I've 660 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: heard the Corey one. I didn't really, and like, you know, 661 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: cut to her winning an Olivier Award. You've got to 662 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: listen to her things, she said, And then I went 663 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: on to with the Olivia Award. Yeah, that role. I mean, 664 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: it's so pretty special. So I don't think that song 665 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: was in the show or anything at that point. I 666 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: know it ultimately was. I think I just thought of 667 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: it because I knew they wanted a big bel turn. 668 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: I think a CULTI song. Off the top of my head, 669 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: that's the one. That was one song the first season 670 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,919 Speaker 1: the good Way Project. Dante or Ryan or somebody chose 671 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: the ten audition songs. The next season. I was involved 672 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: that season. One of the audition songs was that song, 673 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: which I used to love. Oh, and you'd have to 674 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: wait kind of to the end, Yes, silly see that 675 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: singing and it was so long we couldn't fast forward 676 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: on my Space. Yeah. I remember those college auditions. They'd 677 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: be like, these are the songs you don't sing in 678 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: an audition. The nos. But see, that's the beauty of 679 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: being I think a great casting director. It's giving people 680 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: the opportunity that you think can rise to the occasion. 681 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't. But Amber did you just and she 682 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: and then they found out later coincidentally that she'd worked 683 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: for Ryan as a little girl, right, and she had 684 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: audition for American Idol, which everybody was asking her like, 685 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: I can't believe you got turned away and she's like, 686 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: you guys know, it wasn't that big of a deal. 687 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 1: And now she's the first person to win. I said 688 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: that to kill last night. She's just the greatest. No, truly, 689 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: we are like honored to walk in her presence. Truly, 690 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: we're very lucky that you put the exact group together 691 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: that you did. Yeah, we have been obsessed with each 692 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: other since, you know, the moment we all met. So 693 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: it's wonderful and so you know, I yeah, it's just 694 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: when it was like that lightning in the bottle. And 695 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: and I have to give Ryan all the credit because Ryan, 696 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: like I said, was always open. There was never anybody 697 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,479 Speaker 1: to outside of the box for Ryan. There just wasn't. 698 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he he was just open to anything, and 699 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: it was amazing. I mean I every New Year's Eve 700 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: I write him and just say thank you for my career. 701 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: You don't have to respond, It's just I want you 702 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: to know that you know he's been He's been amazing 703 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 1: to me. And it also you know, it takes someone 704 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 1: I think at the head like him having an open 705 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: mind and someone like you also being able to have 706 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: an open mind and search it out and find the magic. 707 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Robert. We are indebted to you 708 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: and also grateful that you've come on the show and 709 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: and shared. I'm sure everybody loved to hear these kind 710 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: of BTS stories, So thank you so much, and it's 711 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: just something for both of you soon. I'm we'd love that. 712 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: Kevin and I really like to work together as well. 713 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: Just you know, if you need like dead body number 714 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: two and three, where are your men and women? Anyway, 715 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: we really appreciate it, and we we love seeing you 716 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: and chatting with you, and thank you so much. Good 717 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you for having me. I mean 718 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: so much, thank you, Robert boy. That was good. Yeah. 719 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: I think as like a selfish actor, I think you 720 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: can't hear too much from a casting perspective. It's true, 721 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: and he's one of the nicest ones. He's one of 722 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: the nicest people. And um, you don't like when you 723 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: go into a room, like I said, you are so 724 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: focused on and like he said, the choice you're making, 725 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: Like you have to make this choice. Do I know 726 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: the tone of the project I'm going in for? I 727 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: have to if it's a show that's not on or 728 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: a movie that's not on, you just have to sort 729 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: of make a decision and roll with it. And you know, 730 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: it's it feels like life or death almost every time 731 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: you go in that room because you want a job, 732 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: You desperately want to be able to work and show 733 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: your abilities, and then you have somebody who is the 734 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: decider of your future, you know, sitting on the outside 735 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: of the table or now it's the person you don't 736 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: see receiving your tape. And so it's nice to hear 737 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: that people care that much and that people are putting 738 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: in the effort to understand and see the best in 739 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: you when you go in there. So thank you Robert 740 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: for coming on. It was a delight to hear from you. 741 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: And I hope people you know have learned a lot. 742 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: I sure did. Yeah, and thanks for listening to another 743 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: episode and we'll see you next week. And that's what 744 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: you really missed, Bye bye bye, Thanks for listening, and 745 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at and that's what you really 746 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: miss pod. 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