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Speaker 1: the Giants podcast Network. Welcome to the newest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast. John Smoke with you today. We

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Speaker 1: are joined by Salmon Wilcox from Pro Football Focus and

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Speaker 1: Row in Los Angeles for the Super Bowl. Sally, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time, man, How are you. It's good to see

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Speaker 1: your vase, you know. John. Hey, always good to reconnect

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Speaker 1: with you. We've been separated by a global pandemic, right,

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Speaker 1: but here we are. We get to have a good

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Speaker 1: time talk as to football together. So thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me. Yeah, we had a good time hanging out

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Speaker 1: at this combine a couple of years ago. Hopefully we

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Speaker 1: can do the same in about a month this year.

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Speaker 1: That'll be fun, uh, Sally, Let first, let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: By the way, folks, you can find the Giant Subtle

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Speaker 1: at Giants dot com, Slash Podcast, and Sally, you're here

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Speaker 1: promoting a brand new heart monitor. Want you tell us

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Speaker 1: about it? Yeah, listen. It's a wonderful product. It's a

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Speaker 1: bio heart UM is uh basically the company that has

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Speaker 1: cardiac event, and your doctor wants to continue to monitor you, UM,

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Speaker 1: a wonderful tool. He's an athlete himself, he's a professional

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Speaker 1: as you cold close out here. Sally, a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff going on with the Giants man, just you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of news with coaching GM assistance and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff before we get into nitty gritty, Sally, you're

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Speaker 1: just overall take on kind of how the Giants have

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Speaker 1: handled their business resetting this offseason, having a new general manager,

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Speaker 1: head coaching coaching staff. Oh absolutely, I mean, listen, they

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Speaker 1: That's what you needed. And if you look at the

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. But then what he did against the

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Speaker 1: And it's funny, you know, reports are Sally, the Giants

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Speaker 1: all right, let's talk big picture here, Sally. The Giants

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. All right, Salma, look got some

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Speaker 1: the John Suttle Podcast. For Sally, I'm Schmelk. We'll see

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