WEBVTT - Valerie Solanas Was Just Writing What She Knew 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.280 It's five fifty one am on Madison Avenue and you're 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:20.000 listening to Night Call. Hello, Hello, and welcome to Night Call. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.360 I am Molly Lambert and I am in New York, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.640 New York City, sitting next to Emily Oshida in real 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.280 life and talking to us from Los Angeles in a 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.880 shed where do we keep the aliens when we find 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.480 them and then we take them out to feed them 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.120 Reese's Pieces because we can't get the rights to Eminem's 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:47.440 test Lynch. Hello, please feed me. It's so strange. It's 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.640 like you're It's like you're our imaginary friend that we 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.040 you know, we have. There's like a secret number that 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.640 only works at certain times of the day and we 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:00.840 can access the line. Speaking of secret numbers and hotlines, 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.800 you should give us a call at one four six 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:12.320 night and email us at night Call pod cast Night 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:17.360 Called podcast gmail dot gmail dot com and ask us 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:22.560 here questions, share your share your spooky stories. Um, yeah, 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.000 just drop us a line. Tell us what's on your 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.400 mind about the shadow people. Tell us about how Art 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.240 Bell changed your life, Molly. Before we get into Art Bell, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.640 which we will, I know the people want it. Um 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.280 tell us about New York city and how it's changing 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.320 your life. I'm in New York City, New York, Citay 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.080 and and you're on you were So the intro is 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.120 actually accurate for the first time. We are actually on 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.520 Madison Avenue, but we've always been on Madison Avenue, and 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.360 I did not lie in because I didn't know where 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.760 the studio was until now. Molly was telling me as 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.320 we were walking into the building. Was like Molly noted, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.320 if not most noted mad Men recapper in the history 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.000 of the show told me, I didn't even know it 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.080 was named after Madison Avenue until like the fifth season. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:16.120 It's just incredible. It was like a pun on ad Men, 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.320 which is but I didn't realize that mad Men was 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.720 like a thing, you know, it's slang for ad guys. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.200 It's all come together. This is why you have to 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.280 come to New York so you can get the well 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.320 this building it's also super mad Men. We walked inside 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.679 and it has like a crazy Art deco lobby, like 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.799 it's like first or second season mad Men before they 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.880 move into their their fancy mid century place. And I 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.920 am a sleek sucker for the Art deco glamour right 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.840 by the Empire State building. I was saying, whenever I 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.880 come to New York, I go full Kimmy Schmidt, where 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.600 I just like walk around like delighted by everything, just 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.960 like amidst all the jaded New Yorkers and I'm like, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.880 look that was me the first tall building. The first 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.280 year I was here. I would just walk around with 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.920 my head up, you know, like looking around because it 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.480 was all kind of new to me, and people would 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.040 be giving me the weirdest looks, like why you have 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.839 the sense of wonder in your eyes. They don't even 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.080 really look at you. They just kind of like shake 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.480 their heads. They're like, what are you doing? Yeah? My 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.960 my brother and I were on the subway that was 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.040 like above ground and there was a part where we 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.440 were like so excited that it was above ground. And 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.959 then we were like, look the statue of Liberal Get 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.800 up out of your seat and you run to the window. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.320 Did We were like standing by the window with our 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.280 faces pressed against the glass. It was just a magical, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.240 magical time. Molly, when you visit New York, what what 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.840 are your must does? Um? You know, what's what's Molly 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.560 Lambert's New York and eating an authentic New York bagel? 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.440 From Duncan Donuts across the street. Right now, I see 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.760 the evidence of it right in front of me. It's true. Um, 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.880 I don't know. I mean I'm usually here for like 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.480 family visit reason, so I it's not like full freedom 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.120 that you do a lot of Queens. I do a 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.000 lot of Queens today. This was the first trip of 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.360 my brother and I explored Queens. We went to Forest 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:14.240 Hills and walked around, and I was enchanted by Forest Hills. Um, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.839 I love Queens because it's like the valley. Yeah, oh, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.000 it totally is. You know, like, uh, we're out near 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.480 like Jamaica, which I love, which you know, it's the suburbs, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.320 so it's far away from everything. So it's also hard 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.560 to get into the city proper. But my brother and 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.880 I went to the Met. I love the Met. I 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.799 love the ancient Egyptian my favorite place in the world. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.200 Had the realization that my dream home is like an 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.400 Egyptian tomb, you know, you you can have that be 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.760 your final resting place. They were like those like little 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.680 like darkened rooms that you walk in where they have 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.239 the panels on the wall. I was just like, okay, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.800 just like a bed, like right here, my brother and 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.600 I talked about Mixed of files and Mrs Baisley Frankweiler 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.200 a lot, because you know that's the dream dream is 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.440 to find a way to stay the night in the 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.159 night or the Natural History Museum. Well I did get 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.400 to go in Natural History Museum after hours the last 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.560 time I was here. Oh yeah, that's right. My friend 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.080 Brianna works at the Natural History Museum. And you know, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.240 she was like helping them close. It was amazing. It 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.120 was so cool, and they're all there's like offices and stuff. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.120 You know. I love to seeing the backstage of anything, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.159 so like the backstage of the Natural History Museum, Like 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.760 I was just as excited about, like, look, this door 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:34.720 leads to a mundane hallway, isn't that crazy? Uh? So 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.960 when do you do? You leave tomorrow? I leave tomorrow. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.560 So well, you know it's going to be hard to 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.240 top going to see a screening if I feel pretty Yeah, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.919 Emily and I was like, hey, want to go to 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.839 a free screening? And I was like, do I a 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.640 press screening? Again? I'm just do you know thinks that 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.200 everyone else's is has done a lot. I will be 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:58.440 quickly de glamorous new to me, uh and then I'll 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.560 go back to l A and I can be jaded 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:06.160 about all the beautiful sunsets there and it'll be chill. Guys. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:10.680 How are you? I'm good? Uh? We lost an icon 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:15.000 this week? Did we lost probably the single biggest inspiration 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.760 on the podcast, saying god Father of Night called Godfather 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.280 of Night call Art Bell R I P R I 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:29.680 P died on Friday, but also or did he? Right? Right? Well? 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.240 Right now? The number one search if you look for 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.120 our bell is cause of death. So I'm glad that 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.120 there's already some well I was saying. I was like, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.320 I'll just put it out there that the Lizard people 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:45.200 got to them. Today's podcast is sponsored by Hello Fresh, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.480 a meal kit delivery service that shops, plans and deliver 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.000 step by step recipes and pre measured ingredients so you 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:56.240 can just cook, eat, and enjoy. 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I mean he 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.760 was technically a libertarian. Yeah, technically a libertarian. Such a 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:38.400 terrible friend. It's interesting to think about like what those 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:43.600 alignments meant. Yeah, nineties theory people, you know, the idea 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.880 of the conspiracy theory libertarian is such a thing obviously, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.559 but it's interesting to think about Art Bell versus Alex Jones. Right. Well, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.360 I mean I remember we had a neighbor who was 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.120 really into Art Bell and um, even before I really 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.160 knew what it was to be like a paranoid like, 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.839 you know, conspiracy the theorist guy. My mom would always 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.800 be like that guys. You know, he's like, he'sn't a 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.760 conspiracy theories and but we were friends with him. He 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.920 was like our you know, funny neighbor. Uh. He was 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.520 like harmless. And you know a lot of people are 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.920 into conspiracy theory. Yeah, and you know, I think we're 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.200 all of the mine that like some of them are true, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.760 you know, some some of the big ones, especially you know, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.520 like the government did a lot of shady stuff. Uh, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.679 and some of them are not true, and the not 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.600 two ones are the most fun. Can I tell you 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.440 a nine eleven conspiracy that somebody just told me that 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.760 I've never heard before, just to get right into it 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:47.960 because we're you know, honoring, honoring the legacy, say um uh. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.120 There was an episode of The Lone Gunmen, apparently the 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:56.480 X Files spin off in the year like that showed 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.000 something about like people doing a terrorist attack on the 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:05.280 Twin Towers or something, and then people after nine eleven 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.480 were like Fox, like that's proof that, like it was 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.840 an inside job because like Fox, the channel that The 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.960 Lone Gunman was on, you knew it was going to happen, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.120 and so they aired that episode so that it would 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.160 seem like too much of a coincidence. If it did happen, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:28.080 what would possibly be the game coincidence conspiracy? So I 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.880 think I'm confused. We're saying, like, what's so great about 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.000 it doesn't matter? Yeah, no, no, no. What's so great 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.679 about Art Bell is that, yeah, it didn't matter if 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.240 you really believe in the conspiracies or not, because it's 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.400 about just sort of going to those weird places of 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.960 the mind of like what if all you know, I 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.000 think to most people it's like satisfying to make connections 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.760 where there are none, you know, because like, wouldn't it 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.400 make more sense if everything did have all these weird 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.800 interconnections and the world all was a universal theory of 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:05.000 lizard people. Um, it can just get politicized so easily. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.960 But when it's just like I wonder why that is 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.400 the way it was, is just like a weird like 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.520 imaginary playground kind of. Caleb Horton wrote a really great 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.640 thing about art Bell that he reposted on his Twitter 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.840 uh that he wrote a while ago, but it was 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.960 just about art Bell and about how like art Bell 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.599 is the perfect thing to drive long distances to. Yes, no, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.880 that's my that's my relationship with you saying it's also 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.480 because it's like that's when you really have time to 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.080 meditate on like what are those lights in the distance? 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.319 Like what's that weird grain silo? I just passed? And 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.679 that art Bell really just you know, creates this environment 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.240 where you're allowed to just like indulge in wondering about 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.800 those things like what if it was planted there by 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.280 the aliens? And just the colin aspect to is I 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.360 mean it just creates this sort of It kind of 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.360 feels like the radio equivalent of like, you know, the 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.480 kind of Internet that we talk a lot about that 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.400 I've lost, the kind of ungentrified weirdos only and a 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.920 message board. Yeah yeah, totally, Like it is a message 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.600 board radio show people who care about aliens and who 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.360 aren't like trying to get the biggest audience possible, but 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.600 are just like I have to find all the other people. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.320 I need to leave my freak flag so that I 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.720 can find my people. So that was a big reason 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.240 we wanted this to be a call in show. Yeah yeah. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.680 And the other thing is like I think that the 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.440 the long drive thing is totally I mean that is 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.080 like that is my It's not like I listened to 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.679 Coast to Coast all the time, but definitely if I 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.160 was on a road trip, I did. And the other 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.480 the other inspiration point for this podcast, the Delilah Show, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.839 is like another one like that and like friend friend 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.120 of the podcast. Remember Brown was talking to me about 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.240 like how he has such a relationship with Delilah because 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.319 you know, you just if you're if you have to 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.320 do a long drive at now, what's Delilah? Oh man? 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.360 Oh my god, she's like the advice Colin um Adie. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:06.439 She's like, she's amazing, She's the advice. Yeah, she's it's 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.880 like a syndicated show and it's night. Um. I you 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.160 know Tess and I grew up on Love Line for sure, Yeah, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.240 which I also enjoyed a lot. Delilah is much more 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.960 than like she'll do a dedication of a song for somebody. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.920 And Art le Beau, these are all like our favorite 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.480 people are the radio personalities where you're like, you know, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.520 they're always there for you. It's that weird para social 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.440 thing where you're like, that's my friend. Yeah, And it 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.520 is like a little more. It's not just like a celebrity, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.400 like there is a kind of communication line going back 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.240 and forth, which does you know Art le Beau, especially 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.480 because he's taking a lot of dedications from people that 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.240 are like incarcerated, where it's just like it goes like 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.679 about like above physical space, you know, it's like into 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.800 the metaphysical space that is like the radio and the 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.280 air waves. Did you guys ever hear Art Bells show 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.400 that he started like after midnight in the Desert, Yeah, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.760 I mean it has the greatest name of all time. Yeah, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.320 I mean we should that should just be our permanent 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.200 sign on you shouldn't stand back and done that. Um. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.800 I was surprised, actually, Molly, that you didn't do midnight 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:18.120 in the deserted in the morning that morning, you know. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.400 Um yeah, it's I mean, it's sort of interesting. I 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.520 am kind of curious about his politics, which is something 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.320 I was never thinking of at the time. But I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.520 was telling you, Emily, because I printed out my note, 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:39.320 yes notes, way to call back to the songbird sun Finch. Um. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.800 So this is from the Washington Post obituary that posted today. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.640 It's it's full of good stuff. It has like just 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.800 everything you want, but it says, regarding his politics quote, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.200 his politics were all over the map. A self described libertarian, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.960 he opposed abortion, supported same sex marriage, and was skeptical 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.640 skeptical of the science behind global warming. He lamed Richard 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.240 Nixon for spawning a nation of cynics, supported Barry Goldwater 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.240 in nineteen sixty four, and Ross Pero came to consider 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.520 Bill Clinton a great president and said he voted for 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.680 Barack Obama in two thousand eight. What a free spirit 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.480 like a white guy reaction, Jim, It's kind of it's 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.880 a little more like those puppies that turn their heads 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.720 from side to side, like huh, twist, there's some good 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.360 and bad comes. Next said I like this. Mr Bell 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.960 had no stomach for haters. He had a white supremacist 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.480 on as a guest, made him uncomfortable, made him comfortable 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.240 enough for him to spout racist views. And then Mr 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.560 Bell informed the guests that quote, I am married to 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.400 a brown skinned Asian woman. Well, there was this whole 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.760 crazy thing I guess where he he like moved to 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.800 the Philippines. He married a Filipino woman and then moved 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.160 to the Philippines, and then there was oaks against him 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.720 where it was like a letter that they you know, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.240 somebody sent to a newspaper and said, like Art Bell 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.080 wrote this and it was a bunch of terrible things 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.960 about Filipino people. And then it was proven to be 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.320 a hoax. Um, but it's still kind of came back 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.760 to bite him a few times. It would like recirculate, 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.160 So I think it was something that he kind of 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.520 had to address. I knew he moved to par ump 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.880 Nevada because he thought that like somebody was out to 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.600 get him. Uh. That is also where Heidi flies moved 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.000 when she was fleeing. Yeah, that's where that great documentary 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.560 about her takes place where she has all the parents. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.960 Is the place that's our next field trip. Didn't he 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.920 stop broadcasting too because he thought like somebody was, you know, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.880 trying to get him, and there are people like perty. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.640 What also is interesting about art Bell is obviously the 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.800 ways it overlaps with like Philip K. Dick and people 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.960 like that, where you're like, how much of this might 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.840 even just be in your head? Yeah, but also like 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.160 it's very interesting in your head and I want to know, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.040 but it might be scary in there. Seems a little 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.399 scary in there. Sometimes it's like what are you experience? Like, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.240 you know, there's enough to make you feel paranoid, but 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.119 to actually like uproot your life and take action and 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.239 that Well, that also shows that maybe it's not like 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.919 just a character, because obviously some radio personas are No, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.000 I don't think character. But the voice, it's like, it's 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.040 such a good voice he has. I mean, he's so 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.520 great at what he does that, you know. George Nori 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.800 sort of demonstrates what is so great about Art Bell 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:38.560 that is not just immediately replicable by anyone else. Um, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.480 and I you know, I don't hate Alex Jones. I mean, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.320 I hate him, but I don't you should hate I 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.520 hate him, but I but I thought, but I think 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.119 he has like an interest, Like his voice is so weird. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.040 You know, he's got a bizarre but he got it. Yeah, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.720 like over yeah exactly, like I understand like why there's 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.280 a cult of personality or you know, well and he yeah, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:09.840 he gets very animated. Yes, he's like he's chaotic, evil, charismatic. Yeah, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.920 as opposed to and also he lets the white supremacists 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.800 on his show, which is what you know, if we're 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.040 if we're keeping for our Bell, we're gonna go with 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.400 the narrative that but at least our Bell shut them down. Yeah, 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.400 because that's what I'm saying. It's a lot of conspiracy 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.040 theories lead to lead over to white supremacy. Uh. A 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.600 lot of the more recent conspiracy theories like Berthers and 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.800 people like that are just straight up straight up racism. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.760 So it's interesting to talk We talked about this. This 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.360 is what the podcast is. It's like we're like leftist 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:49.359 conspiracy theorists and pat unite radical feminist conspiracy theories, but 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:54.280 also like radical feminist conspiracy theories you know are real, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:19:04.520 are real, They're all true. Valerie Salanist what she knew? Yeah, 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:10.359 please make that the title Hot Pod today. M Well, rest, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.800 rest and rest and recipes if you are one of 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.359 today's episode sponsors. 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Shadow people. 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.320 Oh yeah, I was listening to a two hour long Uh. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.280 I was going to call it a podcast, but it's 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.679 not a podcast, guys, it's a radio podcast. You just 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.080 radio shows. It was a proto It was a proto 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:46.959 podcast um where he had on a Native American and 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.160 he said shaman, and the shaman corrected him and said, shaman, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.159 there's no shame, and he was like, all right. But 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.040 it was such it was such an interesting conversation. But 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.880 art Bell had received of I think more than four 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.520 thousand emails from people from callers, you know, an emailers, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.000 saying that they've had experiences with shadow people. And here 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:13.000 at nightcall we have received a couple of emails about 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:19.360 shadow people who Hey, nightcallers, this is John in Chicago. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.760 And I don't have a ghost story per se, but 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.240 I do have a shadow person story, and I'm curious 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.680 if others have shadow people stories. To share as well. Um. 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.040 But this happened when I was living in Minneapolis when 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.520 I was in college, and my girlfriend at the time 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.880 and I were out for a walk, um really late 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:46.960 at night, and there was nobody around, and um in 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.600 the distance up on a hill, we could see a 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.800