Speaker 1: It's five fifty one am on Madison Avenue and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Night Call. Hello, Hello, and welcome to Night Call.
Speaker 1: I am Molly Lambert and I am in New York,
Speaker 1: New York City, sitting next to Emily Oshida in real
Speaker 1: life and talking to us from Los Angeles in a
Speaker 1: shed where do we keep the aliens when we find
Speaker 1: them and then we take them out to feed them
Speaker 1: Reese's Pieces because we can't get the rights to Eminem's
Speaker 1: test Lynch. Hello, please feed me. It's so strange. It's
Speaker 1: like you're It's like you're our imaginary friend that we
Speaker 1: you know, we have. There's like a secret number that
Speaker 1: only works at certain times of the day and we
Speaker 1: can access the line. Speaking of secret numbers and hotlines,
Speaker 1: you should give us a call at one four six
Speaker 1: night and email us at night Call pod cast Night
Speaker 1: Called podcast gmail dot gmail dot com and ask us
Speaker 1: here questions, share your share your spooky stories. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: just drop us a line. Tell us what's on your
Speaker 1: mind about the shadow people. Tell us about how Art
Speaker 1: Bell changed your life, Molly. Before we get into Art Bell,
Speaker 1: which we will, I know the people want it. Um
Speaker 1: tell us about New York city and how it's changing
Speaker 1: your life. I'm in New York City, New York, Citay
Speaker 1: and and you're on you were So the intro is
Speaker 1: actually accurate for the first time. We are actually on
Speaker 1: Madison Avenue, but we've always been on Madison Avenue, and
Speaker 1: I did not lie in because I didn't know where
Speaker 1: the studio was until now. Molly was telling me as
Speaker 1: we were walking into the building. Was like Molly noted,
Speaker 1: if not most noted mad Men recapper in the history
Speaker 1: of the show told me, I didn't even know it
Speaker 1: was named after Madison Avenue until like the fifth season.
Speaker 1: It's just incredible. It was like a pun on ad Men,
Speaker 1: which is but I didn't realize that mad Men was
Speaker 1: like a thing, you know, it's slang for ad guys.
Speaker 1: It's all come together. This is why you have to
Speaker 1: come to New York so you can get the well
Speaker 1: this building it's also super mad Men. We walked inside
Speaker 1: and it has like a crazy Art deco lobby, like
Speaker 1: it's like first or second season mad Men before they
Speaker 1: move into their their fancy mid century place. And I
Speaker 1: am a sleek sucker for the Art deco glamour right
Speaker 1: by the Empire State building. I was saying, whenever I
Speaker 1: come to New York, I go full Kimmy Schmidt, where
Speaker 1: I just like walk around like delighted by everything, just
Speaker 1: like amidst all the jaded New Yorkers and I'm like,
Speaker 1: look that was me the first tall building. The first
Speaker 1: year I was here. I would just walk around with
Speaker 1: my head up, you know, like looking around because it
Speaker 1: was all kind of new to me, and people would
Speaker 1: be giving me the weirdest looks, like why you have
Speaker 1: the sense of wonder in your eyes. They don't even
Speaker 1: really look at you. They just kind of like shake
Speaker 1: their heads. They're like, what are you doing? Yeah? My
Speaker 1: my brother and I were on the subway that was
Speaker 1: like above ground and there was a part where we
Speaker 1: were like so excited that it was above ground. And
Speaker 1: then we were like, look the statue of Liberal Get
Speaker 1: up out of your seat and you run to the window.
Speaker 1: Did We were like standing by the window with our
Speaker 1: faces pressed against the glass. It was just a magical,
Speaker 1: magical time. Molly, when you visit New York, what what
Speaker 1: are your must does? Um? You know, what's what's Molly
Speaker 1: Lambert's New York and eating an authentic New York bagel?
Speaker 1: From Duncan Donuts across the street. Right now, I see
Speaker 1: the evidence of it right in front of me. It's true. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I'm usually here for like
Speaker 1: family visit reason, so I it's not like full freedom
Speaker 1: that you do a lot of Queens. I do a
Speaker 1: lot of Queens today. This was the first trip of
Speaker 1: my brother and I explored Queens. We went to Forest
Speaker 1: Hills and walked around, and I was enchanted by Forest Hills. Um,
Speaker 1: I love Queens because it's like the valley. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: it totally is. You know, like, uh, we're out near
Speaker 1: like Jamaica, which I love, which you know, it's the suburbs,
Speaker 1: so it's far away from everything. So it's also hard
Speaker 1: to get into the city proper. But my brother and
Speaker 1: I went to the Met. I love the Met. I
Speaker 1: love the ancient Egyptian my favorite place in the world.
Speaker 1: Had the realization that my dream home is like an
Speaker 1: Egyptian tomb, you know, you you can have that be
Speaker 1: your final resting place. They were like those like little
Speaker 1: like darkened rooms that you walk in where they have
Speaker 1: the panels on the wall. I was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: just like a bed, like right here, my brother and
Speaker 1: I talked about Mixed of files and Mrs Baisley Frankweiler
Speaker 1: a lot, because you know that's the dream dream is
Speaker 1: to find a way to stay the night in the
Speaker 1: night or the Natural History Museum. Well I did get
Speaker 1: to go in Natural History Museum after hours the last
Speaker 1: time I was here. Oh yeah, that's right. My friend
Speaker 1: Brianna works at the Natural History Museum. And you know,
Speaker 1: she was like helping them close. It was amazing. It
Speaker 1: was so cool, and they're all there's like offices and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. I love to seeing the backstage of anything,
Speaker 1: so like the backstage of the Natural History Museum, Like
Speaker 1: I was just as excited about, like, look, this door
Speaker 1: leads to a mundane hallway, isn't that crazy? Uh? So
Speaker 1: when do you do? You leave tomorrow? I leave tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So well, you know it's going to be hard to
Speaker 1: top going to see a screening if I feel pretty Yeah,
Speaker 1: Emily and I was like, hey, want to go to
Speaker 1: a free screening? And I was like, do I a
Speaker 1: press screening? Again? I'm just do you know thinks that
Speaker 1: everyone else's is has done a lot. I will be
Speaker 1: quickly de glamorous new to me, uh and then I'll
Speaker 1: go back to l A and I can be jaded
Speaker 1: about all the beautiful sunsets there and it'll be chill. Guys.
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good? Uh? We lost an icon
Speaker 1: this week? Did we lost probably the single biggest inspiration
Speaker 1: on the podcast, saying god Father of Night called Godfather
Speaker 1: of Night call Art Bell R I P R I
Speaker 1: P died on Friday, but also or did he? Right? Right? Well?
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Speaker 1: Bell memories are good coast to coast am memories? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something it's interesting thing to talk about just because
Speaker 1: of like what it kind of became. But I still
Speaker 1: feel like I'm possible to be nostalgic for what it was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it also like started as like a regular like
Speaker 1: right wing talk radio show. Yeah. So the fact that
Speaker 1: he also his politics were interesting though. I mean he
Speaker 1: was technically a libertarian. Yeah, technically a libertarian. Such a
Speaker 1: terrible friend. It's interesting to think about like what those
Speaker 1: alignments meant. Yeah, nineties theory people, you know, the idea
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy theory libertarian is such a thing obviously,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting to think about Art Bell versus Alex Jones. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I remember we had a neighbor who was
Speaker 1: really into Art Bell and um, even before I really
Speaker 1: knew what it was to be like a paranoid like,
Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy the theorist guy. My mom would always
Speaker 1: be like that guys. You know, he's like, he'sn't a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and but we were friends with him. He
Speaker 1: was like our you know, funny neighbor. Uh. He was
Speaker 1: like harmless. And you know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: into conspiracy theory. Yeah, and you know, I think we're
Speaker 1: all of the mine that like some of them are true,
Speaker 1: you know, some some of the big ones, especially you know,
Speaker 1: like the government did a lot of shady stuff. Uh,
Speaker 1: and some of them are not true, and the not
Speaker 1: two ones are the most fun. Can I tell you
Speaker 1: a nine eleven conspiracy that somebody just told me that
Speaker 1: I've never heard before, just to get right into it
Speaker 1: because we're you know, honoring, honoring the legacy, say um uh.
Speaker 1: There was an episode of The Lone Gunmen, apparently the
Speaker 1: X Files spin off in the year like that showed
Speaker 1: something about like people doing a terrorist attack on the
Speaker 1: Twin Towers or something, and then people after nine eleven
Speaker 1: were like Fox, like that's proof that, like it was
Speaker 1: an inside job because like Fox, the channel that The
Speaker 1: Lone Gunman was on, you knew it was going to happen,
Speaker 1: and so they aired that episode so that it would
Speaker 1: seem like too much of a coincidence. If it did happen,
Speaker 1: what would possibly be the game coincidence conspiracy? So I
Speaker 1: think I'm confused. We're saying, like, what's so great about
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter? Yeah, no, no, no. What's so great
Speaker 1: about Art Bell is that, yeah, it didn't matter if
Speaker 1: you really believe in the conspiracies or not, because it's
Speaker 1: about just sort of going to those weird places of
Speaker 1: the mind of like what if all you know, I
Speaker 1: think to most people it's like satisfying to make connections
Speaker 1: where there are none, you know, because like, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: make more sense if everything did have all these weird
Speaker 1: interconnections and the world all was a universal theory of
Speaker 1: lizard people. Um, it can just get politicized so easily.
Speaker 1: But when it's just like I wonder why that is
Speaker 1: the way it was, is just like a weird like
Speaker 1: imaginary playground kind of. Caleb Horton wrote a really great
Speaker 1: thing about art Bell that he reposted on his Twitter
Speaker 1: uh that he wrote a while ago, but it was
Speaker 1: just about art Bell and about how like art Bell
Speaker 1: is the perfect thing to drive long distances to. Yes, no,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my relationship with you saying it's also
Speaker 1: because it's like that's when you really have time to
Speaker 1: meditate on like what are those lights in the distance?
Speaker 1: Like what's that weird grain silo? I just passed? And
Speaker 1: that art Bell really just you know, creates this environment
Speaker 1: where you're allowed to just like indulge in wondering about
Speaker 1: those things like what if it was planted there by
Speaker 1: the aliens? And just the colin aspect to is I
Speaker 1: mean it just creates this sort of It kind of
Speaker 1: feels like the radio equivalent of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: kind of Internet that we talk a lot about that
Speaker 1: I've lost, the kind of ungentrified weirdos only and a
Speaker 1: message board. Yeah yeah, totally, Like it is a message
Speaker 1: board radio show people who care about aliens and who
Speaker 1: aren't like trying to get the biggest audience possible, but
Speaker 1: are just like I have to find all the other people.
Speaker 1: I need to leave my freak flag so that I
Speaker 1: can find my people. So that was a big reason
Speaker 1: we wanted this to be a call in show. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is like I think that the
Speaker 1: the long drive thing is totally I mean that is
Speaker 1: like that is my It's not like I listened to
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast all the time, but definitely if I
Speaker 1: was on a road trip, I did. And the other
Speaker 1: the other inspiration point for this podcast, the Delilah Show,
Speaker 1: is like another one like that and like friend friend
Speaker 1: of the podcast. Remember Brown was talking to me about
Speaker 1: like how he has such a relationship with Delilah because
Speaker 1: you know, you just if you're if you have to
Speaker 1: do a long drive at now, what's Delilah? Oh man?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's like the advice Colin um Adie.
Speaker 1: She's like, she's amazing, She's the advice. Yeah, she's it's
Speaker 1: like a syndicated show and it's night. Um. I you
Speaker 1: know Tess and I grew up on Love Line for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I also enjoyed a lot. Delilah is much more
Speaker 1: than like she'll do a dedication of a song for somebody.
Speaker 1: And Art le Beau, these are all like our favorite
Speaker 1: people are the radio personalities where you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're always there for you. It's that weird para social
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, that's my friend. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: is like a little more. It's not just like a celebrity,
Speaker 1: like there is a kind of communication line going back
Speaker 1: and forth, which does you know Art le Beau, especially
Speaker 1: because he's taking a lot of dedications from people that
Speaker 1: are like incarcerated, where it's just like it goes like
Speaker 1: about like above physical space, you know, it's like into
Speaker 1: the metaphysical space that is like the radio and the
Speaker 1: air waves. Did you guys ever hear Art Bells show
Speaker 1: that he started like after midnight in the Desert, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it has the greatest name of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we should that should just be our permanent
Speaker 1: sign on you shouldn't stand back and done that. Um.
Speaker 1: I was surprised, actually, Molly, that you didn't do midnight
Speaker 1: in the deserted in the morning that morning, you know.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's I mean, it's sort of interesting. I
Speaker 1: am kind of curious about his politics, which is something
Speaker 1: I was never thinking of at the time. But I
Speaker 1: was telling you, Emily, because I printed out my note,
Speaker 1: yes notes, way to call back to the songbird sun Finch. Um.
Speaker 1: So this is from the Washington Post obituary that posted today.
Speaker 1: It's it's full of good stuff. It has like just
Speaker 1: everything you want, but it says, regarding his politics quote,
Speaker 1: his politics were all over the map. A self described libertarian,
Speaker 1: he opposed abortion, supported same sex marriage, and was skeptical
Speaker 1: skeptical of the science behind global warming. He lamed Richard
Speaker 1: Nixon for spawning a nation of cynics, supported Barry Goldwater
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four, and Ross Pero came to consider
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton a great president and said he voted for
Speaker 1: Barack Obama in two thousand eight. What a free spirit
Speaker 1: like a white guy reaction, Jim, It's kind of it's
Speaker 1: a little more like those puppies that turn their heads
Speaker 1: from side to side, like huh, twist, there's some good
Speaker 1: and bad comes. Next said I like this. Mr Bell
Speaker 1: had no stomach for haters. He had a white supremacist
Speaker 1: on as a guest, made him uncomfortable, made him comfortable
Speaker 1: enough for him to spout racist views. And then Mr
Speaker 1: Bell informed the guests that quote, I am married to
Speaker 1: a brown skinned Asian woman. Well, there was this whole
Speaker 1: crazy thing I guess where he he like moved to
Speaker 1: the Philippines. He married a Filipino woman and then moved
Speaker 1: to the Philippines, and then there was oaks against him
Speaker 1: where it was like a letter that they you know,
Speaker 1: somebody sent to a newspaper and said, like Art Bell
Speaker 1: wrote this and it was a bunch of terrible things
Speaker 1: about Filipino people. And then it was proven to be
Speaker 1: a hoax. Um, but it's still kind of came back
Speaker 1: to bite him a few times. It would like recirculate,
Speaker 1: So I think it was something that he kind of
Speaker 1: had to address. I knew he moved to par ump
Speaker 1: Nevada because he thought that like somebody was out to
Speaker 1: get him. Uh. That is also where Heidi flies moved
Speaker 1: when she was fleeing. Yeah, that's where that great documentary
Speaker 1: about her takes place where she has all the parents.
Speaker 1: Is the place that's our next field trip. Didn't he
Speaker 1: stop broadcasting too because he thought like somebody was, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get him, and there are people like perty.
Speaker 1: What also is interesting about art Bell is obviously the
Speaker 1: ways it overlaps with like Philip K. Dick and people
Speaker 1: like that, where you're like, how much of this might
Speaker 1: even just be in your head? Yeah, but also like
Speaker 1: it's very interesting in your head and I want to know,
Speaker 1: but it might be scary in there. Seems a little
Speaker 1: scary in there. Sometimes it's like what are you experience? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's enough to make you feel paranoid, but
Speaker 1: to actually like uproot your life and take action and
Speaker 1: that Well, that also shows that maybe it's not like
Speaker 1: just a character, because obviously some radio personas are No,
Speaker 1: I don't think character. But the voice, it's like, it's
Speaker 1: such a good voice he has. I mean, he's so
Speaker 1: great at what he does that, you know. George Nori
Speaker 1: sort of demonstrates what is so great about Art Bell
Speaker 1: that is not just immediately replicable by anyone else. Um,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I don't hate Alex Jones. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate him, but I don't you should hate I
Speaker 1: hate him, but I but I thought, but I think
Speaker 1: he has like an interest, Like his voice is so weird.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a bizarre but he got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like over yeah exactly, like I understand like why there's
Speaker 1: a cult of personality or you know, well and he yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets very animated. Yes, he's like he's chaotic, evil, charismatic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as opposed to and also he lets the white supremacists
Speaker 1: on his show, which is what you know, if we're
Speaker 1: if we're keeping for our Bell, we're gonna go with
Speaker 1: the narrative that but at least our Bell shut them down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's what I'm saying. It's a lot of conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories lead to lead over to white supremacy. Uh. A
Speaker 1: lot of the more recent conspiracy theories like Berthers and
Speaker 1: people like that are just straight up straight up racism.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to talk We talked about this. This
Speaker 1: is what the podcast is. It's like we're like leftist
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists and pat unite radical feminist conspiracy theories, but
Speaker 1: also like radical feminist conspiracy theories you know are real,
Speaker 1: are real, They're all true. Valerie Salanist what she knew? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thing about but he had a really really good um.
Speaker 1: I think he actually addressed this a few times. Shadow people.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was listening to a two hour long Uh.
Speaker 1: I was going to call it a podcast, but it's
Speaker 1: not a podcast, guys, it's a radio podcast. You just
Speaker 1: radio shows. It was a proto It was a proto
Speaker 1: podcast um where he had on a Native American and
Speaker 1: he said shaman, and the shaman corrected him and said, shaman,
Speaker 1: there's no shame, and he was like, all right. But
Speaker 1: it was such it was such an interesting conversation. But
Speaker 1: art Bell had received of I think more than four
Speaker 1: thousand emails from people from callers, you know, an emailers,
Speaker 1: saying that they've had experiences with shadow people. And here
Speaker 1: at nightcall we have received a couple of emails about
Speaker 1: shadow people who Hey, nightcallers, this is John in Chicago.
Speaker 1: And I don't have a ghost story per se, but
Speaker 1: I do have a shadow person story, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: if others have shadow people stories. To share as well. Um.
Speaker 1: But this happened when I was living in Minneapolis when
Speaker 1: I was in college, and my girlfriend at the time
Speaker 1: and I were out for a walk, um really late
Speaker 1: at night, and there was nobody around, and um in
Speaker 1: the distance up on a hill, we could see a
Speaker 1: sort of silhouetted figure that was clearly wearing a top
Speaker 1: hat and Victorian garb of like a cape and a cane.
Speaker 1: And I didn't think that much of it. I thought,
Speaker 1: perhaps it was an eccentric actor out from a show
Speaker 1: or a costume party or something. Maybe a little odd
Speaker 1: that he was walking alone that late at night. But
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to mention it either because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to call attention to it and scare my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: But I could tell that she was noticing it too,
Speaker 1: And this is the part that's hardest to explain. So
Speaker 1: he started walking toward us from the hill, kind of
Speaker 1: coming in and out of these um street lights, but
Speaker 1: he would move at these intervals where he would skip
Speaker 1: several feet at a time, kind of coming at us
Speaker 1: like shuddering lee. And I was noticing it, but I
Speaker 1: didn't want to acknowledge it. But then she eventually said
Speaker 1: she was getting scared, so she suggested we run, and
Speaker 1: we started running toward her house, which was around the corner,
Speaker 1: and as we started running, he started moving at us
Speaker 1: much quicker, so we ran into her house closed the door.
Speaker 1: She was very worked up. She was the daughter of
Speaker 1: an episcopal priest, so she suggested that we pray, which
Speaker 1: I found like a little much, but we did and
Speaker 1: then didn't encounter him ever again. At the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't really know how to classify it, but later I
Speaker 1: would look it up online years later and realize not
Speaker 1: only did it match the shadow person description, but it
Speaker 1: matched a specific shadow person who's the hat man, and
Speaker 1: people see this hat man a solid black silouette. We
Speaker 1: never saw any facial features, which at the time I
Speaker 1: thought was just because it was late and it was
Speaker 1: at night moving out of streetlights. But that's an attribute
Speaker 1: of shadow people, and um they usually portend something bad happening,
Speaker 1: like usually people see them indoors, and usually they're by themselves,
Speaker 1: and usually it means someone close to the person will die,
Speaker 1: and that didn't necessarily happen for us. The only thing
Speaker 1: I can think is that within the next year or two,
Speaker 1: both of our parents each set's got divorced and her
Speaker 1: brother did die but years later. So I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what it was that we saw what we experienced,
Speaker 1: but it was certainly otherworldly, and it's it's the description
Speaker 1: of shadow people in Hatman very closely. So I'm curious
Speaker 1: here what other people have seen. Thanks for the great show.
Speaker 1: Keep it up. That is so scary. I got chills
Speaker 1: listening to that. I'm looking up the hat Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look up the hat Man. I love that he was like,
Speaker 1: maybe it was just a wandering lesbian. Um that the
Speaker 1: fact that you saw it with your girlfriend and that
Speaker 1: you both noticed the movement and everything is really freaky.
Speaker 1: That's always the thing that I have a hard time
Speaker 1: explaining when two people see the same thing. Are yeah,
Speaker 1: you're with somebody else or I don't know, Um, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't really know that much about shadow people are
Speaker 1: like what makes them differ from ghosts? Um? Or Like,
Speaker 1: does Babba Duke wear a hat? Y'all? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that Baba Duke wears a hat. Yeah, Like the idea
Speaker 1: of like the hat but you can't see the face
Speaker 1: is like very scary. Slenderman doesn't wear a hat, right
Speaker 1: though he did? He seems like the type to wear
Speaker 1: a hat Slenderman some people. So I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia and it says that sometimes like people who suffer
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. Um, it's tied in with sleep paralysis for sure.
Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, the Wikipedia really makes a point of that.
Speaker 1: But then it's I saw a shadow person out and
Speaker 1: about and I've never had sleep paralysis. Shadow very talk
Speaker 1: about this. Oh my god? When and it so okay.
Speaker 1: I went to Boston. Um, I think it was actually
Speaker 1: over winter break of my I was in two thousand three,
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe like sophomore or junior year of college.
Speaker 1: And I went with my friend Rachel. We stayed at
Speaker 1: a hotel and we went out to see Something's Gotta
Speaker 1: Give and ladies, nice context for you. We're leaving the
Speaker 1: theater and it's cold, like really cold, and we are
Speaker 1: walking out of the theater to our hotel and we
Speaker 1: see a figure walking towards us from very far away,
Speaker 1: and Rachel looked at me and was like, that person
Speaker 1: has no face and I was like, no, there, I
Speaker 1: think that's a scarf. And she was like, I'm really
Speaker 1: freaked out. That person has no face. And so we
Speaker 1: were going to pass each other, and as they get closer,
Speaker 1: I see that they have like a hood and a
Speaker 1: big I don't know if it was like a parka
Speaker 1: or like a heavy coat. But their face was like
Speaker 1: a void and I didn't see there were no eyes,
Speaker 1: no facial features. And it turned it as we like
Speaker 1: passed it. We couldn't tell if it was a man
Speaker 1: or a woman or what. It turned and just kind
Speaker 1: of stopped and turned and stared at us, and we
Speaker 1: just ran with its no face. It had no face,
Speaker 1: It had no eyes that it looked like just blankness.
Speaker 1: Like it was just like blackness. So was the features?
Speaker 1: Was the parka like did that look more or less normal?
Speaker 1: Was it just the place where the face should have
Speaker 1: been that was dark? It was the place the place
Speaker 1: where the face should have been in the parka looked north,
Speaker 1: it looked I mean, it looked I don't want to
Speaker 1: like add any you know, I'm sure in retrospect, I'm
Speaker 1: like it was a creepy parka about the park it was.
Speaker 1: It was garb it was a cloak um. But it
Speaker 1: was weird because it was all alone. It was late
Speaker 1: at night, like you know, we were coming out of
Speaker 1: the movie. But other than that there wasn't much there.
Speaker 1: I think it was actually a week night too, and
Speaker 1: it was cold, So I mean, when you see someone
Speaker 1: bundled up, it's not like that's strange. But what was
Speaker 1: weird is at the point that we would have been
Speaker 1: able to see facial features, there was nothing. And then
Speaker 1: when we were like right up on them, there was
Speaker 1: just nothing. There was no face. And you both worked
Speaker 1: about it for years after that. Yeah, And so how
Speaker 1: close were you when it passed? We were like we
Speaker 1: were walking down the same side of the street, so
Speaker 1: we were probably like a foot away and you were
Speaker 1: in and there was nothing that we were in Boston.
Speaker 1: Something had to give. So both you and our collar.
Speaker 1: But if you and our collar saw them outside, which
Speaker 1: this Wikipedia is also telling me, they usually appear inside.
Speaker 1: He yeah, he mentioned that too, that they like typically
Speaker 1: appear inside to people, which I feel like if I
Speaker 1: saw something like that inside, it would be like so
Speaker 1: obvious that you wouldn't like, there'd be no question, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's a terrifying shadow person, an intruder
Speaker 1: in my home point. Yeah, and also with art Bell,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the people who were calling
Speaker 1: and writing in about it we're saying that. It was
Speaker 1: like you wake up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and there's this and sometimes a group of them just
Speaker 1: around you. Um, and I let the red eyes Sarah
Speaker 1: at you, and it's like plus your sweep paralysis. It
Speaker 1: like what a fun time. But you wake up from
Speaker 1: your sleep paralysis and you see shadow people. I knew
Speaker 1: that sounds like the worst thing in the world. It's
Speaker 1: like you entered the level, the between level that always
Speaker 1: exists that you're sometimes accessing when you see the shadow people.
Speaker 1: But then it's like sleep paralysis. You're there. He was
Speaker 1: trapped there. Oh that was awful. Um. Wow. Made me
Speaker 1: think about the no faces from Spirited Away. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: well there's there's there's but one no face, but it
Speaker 1: is the it was the best no face, not to
Speaker 1: be nothing nerd out about. Maybe those no faces are
Speaker 1: are like shadow people cousins. I wonder what they want.
Speaker 1: I mean that they like what the shadow people want. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the thing I can't understand, Like, what's
Speaker 1: the thought about what what makes them different? Are they
Speaker 1: a ghost? Are they a dead person like a spirit
Speaker 1: of a dead person, or are wandering printer? Uh? I
Speaker 1: think The two theories are that they either come to
Speaker 1: kind of like be the opening act for some terrible
Speaker 1: thing that's gonna happen to you, or else they're like
Speaker 1: benevolent and they're just trying to make you aware of
Speaker 1: the spirit realm to like open your third eye, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Open test. I don't think it is, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it ever has been. You never saw another shadow person? No,
Speaker 1: I never saw another shadow person. That was the only
Speaker 1: time it's happened. Nothing like terrible happened. I mean like
Speaker 1: medium terrible things happened, like I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was not a great year, but nothing catastrophic happened. I
Speaker 1: mean definitely. I was like, Okay, we're about to die. Man,
Speaker 1: this stuff is so scary. We should have like a
Speaker 1: caution to spooky warning on this week's your warning ghost
Speaker 1: is ghost warning. Just see the ghost emoji. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call um that. Yeah, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: nightmares now for real. And I usually don't get scared
Speaker 1: by that kind of thing. And I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: chill though. Oh I have another ghost story you guys.
Speaker 1: I know I was telling you that parenting boards often
Speaker 1: have the best ghost stories, and one of them, um
Speaker 1: that I read earlier today was a woman whose daughter
Speaker 1: said she looked at her and she said, you remind
Speaker 1: me of my other mommy. She had long blonde hair
Speaker 1: and long eyelashes. She put me in the bath with
Speaker 1: all my clothes on, and I stayed there forever? Is
Speaker 1: that like a ghost children? Why are children so terrifying?
Speaker 1: Ghost children? Are you know they're ghost children? Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard something on the news and wondered if there
Speaker 1: was more to the story. Have you ever yearned for
Speaker 1: a peek behind the curtain, into the murky hidden world
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Speaker 1: to stories of ghosts and government cover ups. History is
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Speaker 1: guys will play critical thinking to conspiracy theories, allegations of
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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Guys, speaking of terrifying Thanks,
Speaker 1: who wants to be horrified by a little song on
Speaker 1: the radio right now called Freaky Friday? Haunt your ears?
Speaker 1: We're gonna put Emily through an audio haunted house right now.
Speaker 1: To preface, we were talking about this in between pauses
Speaker 1: during last week's recording, and you guys were freaking out
Speaker 1: over so to speak about this song Freaky Friday. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I've never heard this because I live
Speaker 1: in New York now and I never listened to the
Speaker 1: radio because I don't drive. Uh. And then I started
Speaker 1: to look up the lyrics and then I felt it
Speaker 1: and I but I never listened to it. I listening
Speaker 1: to it will be an immersive haunt experience for your
Speaker 1: ears because it should this be a listen along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's the worst song I have of all time?
Speaker 1: But is it the worst? But it's also a catchy songs,
Speaker 1: A very catchy song. Let's very freaky Friday for Emily
Speaker 1: I got an open mind right now. My third eye
Speaker 1: is open for freaky open mind and open ears. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Kendall get Jenner just showed up and that's the
Speaker 1: end of the song. That's the end of the song.
Speaker 1: Play this song on the radio, the last the last
Speaker 1: lyric and the song is I've Got a Vagina, I'm
Speaker 1: going to learn the inner workings of a woman. And
Speaker 1: it's Kendall Jenner singing it, and then the song just ends.
Speaker 1: They play this on the radio like a hundred times
Speaker 1: a day. You know what, do you know what my
Speaker 1: takeaway from this? I don't know who Little Dickie is.
Speaker 1: I sound like a grandma right now. I know I
Speaker 1: know who everybody else knows. I know I know who
Speaker 1: everybody Little Dickey guy, little Dickie, little Nikki. Is that
Speaker 1: his name, Little Dick Dick, little little little Dick nicks
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania? Okay, sure, Pennsylvania. He's gott knows ring Does
Speaker 1: he look like g easy? He looks like the guy
Speaker 1: that freestyle raps at like the cafeteria. See, I know
Speaker 1: who Gezy is, But can you know who Geez he's dating?
Speaker 1: Is he still laying Laana? No? He dumped Laana for Halsey.
Speaker 1: Was it wha It was a scandal, but also good
Speaker 1: for a lot of get away from serious crash man
Speaker 1: that that made me I had my doubts about okay,
Speaker 1: so um, so I just wanna I just want to
Speaker 1: say my gut take away from this song, which is that, Okay, So,
Speaker 1: I don't know who this guy is, but I know
Speaker 1: who everybody else is. These are all pretty at least
Speaker 1: among an under crowd. I would say that these are
Speaker 1: A listers, right, Yeah, everyone knows who had Cheering is.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows who cheer and had the biggest song of
Speaker 1: the year last year. And Kendall Jenner is a popular
Speaker 1: model and a Kardashian and DJ Kalett is a walking meme.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows who these people are. This makes the people
Speaker 1: that are popular, This makes young people fucking stupid like that.
Speaker 1: That is my that is my takeaway is a two
Speaker 1: year old now. I just I feel bad that these
Speaker 1: are like the like these are the like hot celebs
Speaker 1: that they have, like they all sound like idiots for
Speaker 1: even walking into the studio for this thing. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: embarrassed for them. Do you feel like the song requires
Speaker 1: too much world building. There's a I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that you're blaming the premise in the chorus, it's like
Speaker 1: a it's like a Huey Lewis song. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like a movie theme. Don't uh, don't you dare to
Speaker 1: same Huey Lewis on this podcast this is a pro
Speaker 1: Lewis podcast. But I'm saying that it's talking about the
Speaker 1: Pineapple Express song. Yes, I'm saying like explaining the premise
Speaker 1: of the song, but especially doing it in the chorus,
Speaker 1: like I understand, like in the first verse you need
Speaker 1: to do some set up. Fine, sure, whatever, When you
Speaker 1: are actually saying I'm in Chris Brown's body in the
Speaker 1: chorus of the song, it feels like you maybe had
Speaker 1: too much to explain. It's also the weirdest person to
Speaker 1: pick of anyone to do this song, well, because it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that weird if it wasn't Chris Brown. But
Speaker 1: there's literally one reference to my controversial right, and that's like,
Speaker 1: but you're like, I don't think it would be great
Speaker 1: to be Chris Brown like at all. No, No, if
Speaker 1: you could, if you got to choose, like do you
Speaker 1: think he wrote it? Like I woke up in Kanye's body,
Speaker 1: and then Kanye was like hell no, and he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, know, third down the list of people. I
Speaker 1: wonder how many people had to be asked before before
Speaker 1: they got to Chris Brown. But it's also it's such
Speaker 1: a Chris Brown song, and what it does sort of
Speaker 1: well is remind you that there are some good Chris
Speaker 1: Brown songs and that they are very catchy. Oh look,
Speaker 1: you know what, like before all that should happen. I
Speaker 1: love No, we all loved Chris Brown. That's why it
Speaker 1: was so heartbreak. It was horrible. I mean and also
Speaker 1: like you know, he I don't know, he hasn't done
Speaker 1: the things you would need to do to get back
Speaker 1: to a place where people are absolutely muding for you.
Speaker 1: He's done nothing to anybody. So it's weird that this
Speaker 1: would be his like his new hit, because uh, well
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's totally baffling as a career
Speaker 1: move for him at this point in his career, like
Speaker 1: what and then and then the fact that it's being
Speaker 1: played on the radio. I mean, I would almost more
Speaker 1: understand if if he did it and nobody cared, like
Speaker 1: it would just be like, oh, he's lost his mind.
Speaker 1: There's a hit. It's a hit. It's insane. It's insane
Speaker 1: to me. God, people are fucking washed. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like I am so glad to be in my fucking thirties. Dude.
Speaker 1: My parents have been going out like every night in
Speaker 1: New York. I stay out later than they see that
Speaker 1: later than me and my brother every night. What are
Speaker 1: they doing clubbing? Where do they go clubbing? Can we
Speaker 1: go with? They went to like Randy Weston's birthday jazz show.
Speaker 1: That sounds you know. I like the idea of a
Speaker 1: ninety two year old just being like the coolest person
Speaker 1: in the world, which she is. Oh, for some reason,
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying it was like on ninety
Speaker 1: two Street. For some times it was also chill. That
Speaker 1: sounds amazing. I so, yeah, none of us are allowed
Speaker 1: to get washed? Is what is? You know? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I think it's I think it's it's okay to
Speaker 1: look okay? Are we talking about this a lot? Like
Speaker 1: none of us, none of us have any fomo about
Speaker 1: being a teenager right now, because it seems like a
Speaker 1: horrible hellscape. Did you have any phone? This is this
Speaker 1: is the big phono question. Did you have any phono
Speaker 1: about Coachella about you know why because I just watched
Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval from vander Pump's Rules entire Instagram story, which
Speaker 1: was like three posts about Coachella, and it was great.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was there. Oh, I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to say it looked exhausting, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'm not doing it. Did look exhausting,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I want to ingust this because
Speaker 1: it's like they go to every promo party, so they're
Speaker 1: like the all that stuff and they're like enjoying it,
Speaker 1: so it's like fun to watch. I mean, I watched
Speaker 1: Bachella on YouTube. I haven't even watched I watched it
Speaker 1: live and I stayed up and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is exhausting for people on the East Coast. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you were out here. I mean, I was that happened
Speaker 1: when I was fast asleep. I was not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd love to watch it at some point. It's great.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, And then Cardi B was amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she um got booked in a slot that was like
Speaker 1: not a headlining slot because it was before like her
Speaker 1: album came out. She got booked a long time ago.
Speaker 1: But then obviously she became a much, a much bigger
Speaker 1: deal by the time it happened, and she looked great.
Speaker 1: She wore this outfit that was like a tribute to
Speaker 1: Left Eye. She twerked pregnant. It was great. Cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a really fun show. I mean I did
Speaker 1: kind of wish I was at this year's obviously, Um,
Speaker 1: but there's no way I'm gonna There's no way I'm
Speaker 1: going to get my body out there. What if you
Speaker 1: woke up and cats, well, I'm pregnant. Uh yeah, there's
Speaker 1: already someone, So there's no meme for you. Occupy. I
Speaker 1: want the party V remix a Freaky Friday with her
Speaker 1: and her unborn child. That would be amazing. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a million parody songs of this. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, it's like when a song is
Speaker 1: constructed to be a meme like that, it just feels
Speaker 1: cynical because you're like, the best memes aren't constructed though,
Speaker 1: like right, because like, look, if you want to feel depressed,
Speaker 1: you should just read about how Little Dickey wanted to
Speaker 1: raise like seventy thousand dollars to produce his sophomore I
Speaker 1: think album and instead raised like a hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars or something, and he wants to be a comedian.
Speaker 1: Is he a YouTuber? I was like really wanting to
Speaker 1: hate a little Dickie and the song you love Him,
Speaker 1: And also the song was really catchy and t singing
Speaker 1: Mustard putt. I like it on some level. And then
Speaker 1: also you just aart like walking around going man, cruis
Speaker 1: bounds bod. It's not the thing you want to be
Speaker 1: walking around. But and yet this is why I'm washed,
Speaker 1: because my my music right now, I'm like, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard Freaky Friday. I've just been rediscovering Magnetic Fields and
Speaker 1: all the Magnetic Field side projects and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: human humming sad songs to myself all day. The songs
Speaker 1: are also catchy. Yeah, well that I'm washed, And don't
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't give a funk. I'll take the
Speaker 1: Stephen Merritt cover a Freaky Friday. You're gonna hear it.
Speaker 1: It writes itself, that is a melody. That is a
Speaker 1: Stephen Merritt melody. Ule It's a Stephen Merriton. Good job. Well, Well,
Speaker 1: if you guys want to make Friday you're freaky Friday,
Speaker 1: a little spooky or spooky Saturday. Perhaps we have time
Speaker 1: for one more ghostly night call. This night call comes
Speaker 1: to us from Kate, and I'm just gonna kind of
Speaker 1: summarize the beginning because it's a little long. But she's
Speaker 1: a librarian and uh at a museum, and she says
Speaker 1: that her workplace is haunted, and uh she has seen
Speaker 1: three separate ghosts kind of off and on throughout her
Speaker 1: time her time working in there. So she says, the
Speaker 1: first ghost is a woman dressed in late early nineteenth
Speaker 1: early twentieth century clothing, and she carries a rifle. I'm
Speaker 1: located in the Southwest, so this isn't too much of
Speaker 1: a surprise. She was a former head librarian and according
Speaker 1: to the staff, she keeps guard over the collections. She
Speaker 1: resides in a specific area in the stacks in reading room,
Speaker 1: and if things get out of order, she will get
Speaker 1: annoyed and make it more difficult for you to find
Speaker 1: what you need until you clean the area up. For example,
Speaker 1: I was looking for a folder of photos I know
Speaker 1: was in a specific box because I saw it the
Speaker 1: day before, but the next day it had disappeared. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: when I spent some time reshelving and checked the box
Speaker 1: later in the day. The folder was where it should
Speaker 1: have been. The second ghost is a man who haunts
Speaker 1: as somewhat somewhat deserted area of the stacks that used
Speaker 1: to house offices when we had much a much larger staff.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about him, but he seems the
Speaker 1: most aggressive of the three. When I was walking up
Speaker 1: the stairs to that area one time, I felt a
Speaker 1: hard bop on the top of my head, like a
Speaker 1: hand hitting it. I looked around, but there was nothing there,
Speaker 1: and there's no way any part of the ceiling could
Speaker 1: have fallen on me. I mentioned the incident to a colleague,
Speaker 1: who then said she was coming down those stairs one
Speaker 1: time and she felt two hands on her back, almost
Speaker 1: as if she was being pushed. She didn't fall, but
Speaker 1: it was a strong sensation. I'm not sure what her
Speaker 1: what his deal is, but I'm always a little careful
Speaker 1: when I go up or down those stairs. The last
Speaker 1: is another woman who haunts another area of the stacks.
Speaker 1: She's dressed in all white and also in early twentieth
Speaker 1: century close. I've only seen her out of the corner
Speaker 1: of my eye, but she haunts the area where her
Speaker 1: personal collection sits on the shelf. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of personal artifacts that people have donated over the years
Speaker 1: that have sentimental value, so I'm not surprised the owner's
Speaker 1: energy may be tied up to those objects. And then
Speaker 1: she says that she has a volunteer who's seen things
Speaker 1: like pencils being thrown and and uh, cobwebs have have
Speaker 1: had some movement in them and stuff. But yeah, that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's three, three ghosts haunting a library. I feel like
Speaker 1: ghosts are a ghost in libraries. I feel like are
Speaker 1: now They feel so appropriate, I think just because of Ghostbusters,
Speaker 1: but because it's like spooky down in the stacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you were a ghost, wouldn't you want to be
Speaker 1: in a library? Yeah? Well, there's always that feeling of
Speaker 1: like cool or even if you're not in a basement
Speaker 1: or something, but like in in some stacks, so there's
Speaker 1: nobody walking around, or you feel like you're in some
Speaker 1: in a really big library, you feel like nobody's been
Speaker 1: down this this corridor for a while, and that that
Speaker 1: kind of like chilly energy. I think. Also you're like
Speaker 1: surrounded by ideas and words and stuff and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a charged area. Books are a lot discover the
Speaker 1: power of books. Um, they come out of the books
Speaker 1: and then they eat soule. Would you be afraid to
Speaker 1: be a librarian who had like a night shift if
Speaker 1: you lived in if you worked in a in a
Speaker 1: big old library, in a museum library like that, I
Speaker 1: would welcome my ghost friends. Great, I think, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it's also just like to break up the break up
Speaker 1: the workflow you have some ghosts around. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: very much, Kate for your for your email. Scary at
Speaker 1: a library than like a meat packing facility, Yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there are a lot of literally places I
Speaker 1: might be the night watchman. I think in me, I
Speaker 1: think your your position as the night watchman as a
Speaker 1: meat at a n meat factory happened like many alternate
Speaker 1: lives ago already the shadow person version of my life. Well, well,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for listening to this week's Nightcall are very
Speaker 1: special New York edition for Molly at least if you
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Speaker 1: don't follow us out of the movies, even if it's
Speaker 1: a revival screening. If something's got to give, just don't
Speaker 1: follow us anywhere. Yeah, maybe the shadow person was related
Speaker 1: to something out a gift. It had to have been.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a judgmental shadow person that was like,
Speaker 1: do it again. You'll be sorry, You'll be so sorry. Anyway,
Speaker 1: thanks for living. Listen you next week, R I, P
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