Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals announcer Dave Pash.
Speaker 1: My guest this week is Dusty Dvoricek, my partner on
Speaker 1: ESPN ABC College Football Broadcast. Dusty also hosts a morning
Speaker 1: radio show on sirius XM ESPNU Radio with Danny Cannell.
Speaker 1: It's called Dusty and Danny in the Morning. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk some college football breakdown some of the teams
Speaker 1: that Dusty thinks could make the college football playoff. Also
Speaker 1: get his thoughts on college football realignment. We'll talk NFL,
Speaker 1: specifically the Arizona Cardinals. Dusty has a unique connection to
Speaker 1: several players on the Cardinals, particularly and most importantly Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: who played at Oklahoma where Dusty played, and Dusty currently
Speaker 1: lives in Norman, so he's very close to the situation
Speaker 1: there with Kyler and also Hollywood Brown and gives us
Speaker 1: his thoughts and what Cardinal fans can expect from that
Speaker 1: duo here in twenty twenty two. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see if it's a rep a case, but they're able
Speaker 1: to do it. Oklahoma, I mean is named Hollywood for
Speaker 1: a reason. It's life camera action when mister Brown and
Speaker 1: mister Murray on the field together. We'll also discuss how
Speaker 1: Dusty almost became a professional wrestler, and how one of
Speaker 1: Dusty's teammates not only became a professional wrestler but became
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Speaker 1: Next step, All right, let's talk some Cardinals, some college football,
Speaker 1: and a whole lot more with ESPN ABC broadcaster Dusty Divorceeck. So, Dusty,
Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, Cliff Kingsbury was in here
Speaker 1: doing the podcast and he said, Hey, I saw your boy, Dusty.
Speaker 1: I was walking by the TV and he's on Big
Speaker 1: twelve Media Day on ESPN, And the first thing he
Speaker 1: said to me, Dusty said, man, I still have nightmares
Speaker 1: about that guy. But then he said, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's scarier the memories of him with the long hair
Speaker 1: coming at me and hitting me square in the back
Speaker 1: or the fact that now he's all clean cut like
Speaker 1: it was. So it's so good. First of all, I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Cliff. You know, we go way back,
Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you I enjoyed getting a chance
Speaker 1: to play against him, but I really enjoyed in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two and I had a chance to sack him.
Speaker 1: Now was but twice in the same game, but he was.
Speaker 1: He was a great player for them. And yes, my
Speaker 1: look is probably lightly different, as you know, partner, a
Speaker 1: little bit more cleaned up, but I'm more trimmed up
Speaker 1: and long hair has been cut. About fifty to sixty
Speaker 1: pounds has been shed. Got to keep it tight and
Speaker 1: look good. Then next to you up in the boot.
Speaker 1: So times they have a change. But man, I appreciate
Speaker 1: Cliff saying that. I definitely definitely had some battles back
Speaker 1: in the day when he was running that red rid offense. Well,
Speaker 1: I think he still mad at us because we did
Speaker 1: both the Texas and Oklahoma Texas Tech Games last year.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the combined score, but it was like
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty to ten or something like that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of hair, so one of your best friends is
Speaker 1: Brian Urlaker. And it's funny, man, every time I go
Speaker 1: into Chicago, they're billboards everywhere, and you know, for O'Hare Airport,
Speaker 1: they play on the hair so it's spelled differently and
Speaker 1: it's a picture of Erlacker. And I told these guys.
Speaker 1: I told Ron Wolfley, who I worked the Cardinal Games with,
Speaker 1: and Jim one Hunter or the producer, that there is
Speaker 1: an offer that is standing for me to hook up
Speaker 1: with her Lacker to get this hair deal so that
Speaker 1: I have some sprouts because I'm shaving it right now
Speaker 1: because I don't know what to do with it because
Speaker 1: if I grow it out at all, it looks terrible.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Man, I feel like now I'm fifty.
Speaker 1: I just turned fifty. I feel like I'm I'm past
Speaker 1: I'm beyond it. I can't do that. Now, give me
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that. I know Brian's cool and he'll
Speaker 1: help me out if I want to do it. But
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I'm at the point of no
Speaker 1: return with regard to the hair. I think you look
Speaker 1: magnificent with a bald head. You make a bald head
Speaker 1: look cool. So I am in no way saying that
Speaker 1: you need to add sprouts, that you need to go
Speaker 1: and have any kind of procedure done. But I will
Speaker 1: say they do a really good job. So if you were,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking, and you know I've made
Speaker 1: the call, all you have to do is give the
Speaker 1: go ahead and it's done. Gave pass. And I saw
Speaker 1: some pictures. I think I saw a video of you
Speaker 1: from like nineteen ninety one at Syracuse. I mean, you
Speaker 1: had this beautiful, luscious, unbelievable quaff of hair up there.
Speaker 1: If you want to go back there, if you want
Speaker 1: to hit the time machine, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is say the word and it's done, because the guys
Speaker 1: up there are fantastic and gave. I think, really, you're
Speaker 1: in a win win situation. You look great bald, and
Speaker 1: you clearly looked you looked outstanding when you had a
Speaker 1: full head of hair. So I don't think you can
Speaker 1: make a wrong decision. Just the question is you are
Speaker 1: stepping that time machine or not? Or are you happy
Speaker 1: with where you're currently at right now. I can't make
Speaker 1: those decisions for you. I just think you're in a
Speaker 1: great spot. Man. You're in a win win no losers
Speaker 1: here day. All right, Well, let's step but into the
Speaker 1: time machine with you. For those that maybe are primarily
Speaker 1: Cardinal fans, I live here in Arizona and don't know
Speaker 1: completely the background for Dusty to Vorchek. You were a
Speaker 1: great player at Oklahoma, multiple All Big Twelve performer at
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, and then a third round pick
Speaker 1: of the Bears, where you became friends with her Lacker.
Speaker 1: I've had so many people on this pod, Dusty, that
Speaker 1: are connected to the two thousand and six Monday Night
Speaker 1: football game, which we fondly here called the Monday Night Meltdown.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. I know that was your rookie year.
Speaker 1: Were you hurt for that game here in Phoenix? I was.
Speaker 1: I was there though, because I love you had to
Speaker 1: travel with the team to all the games. But yeah,
Speaker 1: at that point I had foot surgery, had broken bone
Speaker 1: to my foot earlier in the season, so I was
Speaker 1: not playing, but I was there, and that was one
Speaker 1: that you never forget as a player. You guys, I
Speaker 1: believe Matt Liner with the quarterback in that game, you
Speaker 1: guys completely were dismantling us. The offense couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Rex was a mess, the running game was non existent.
Speaker 1: Our defense is what we hung I had on that year,
Speaker 1: and you guys were having success on our defense. But
Speaker 1: then it was a couple of turnovers and it was
Speaker 1: the Devin Hester punt return that I still don't know
Speaker 1: why you guys kicked it to him, but I'm just
Speaker 1: being completely honest, but I'm glad you did. It was
Speaker 1: one of those that you'll never forget, like it's it's
Speaker 1: and obviously the dinner screen postgame press conference is one
Speaker 1: of the all time greats, every one that will live
Speaker 1: in an all of a postgame press conference floor. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember like it was yesterday. Why I believe we
Speaker 1: had a I think it was what her Lacker ripped
Speaker 1: one out and Peanut Tillman maybe have a peanut punch.
Speaker 1: I know my name, Mark Anderson was a rookie at
Speaker 1: the time. I had a sack strip fumble. I still
Speaker 1: don't know, Dave how we found a way to win
Speaker 1: that game. We didn't even have an offensive touchdown, if
Speaker 1: memory serves, it was all defense, special teams, and somehow
Speaker 1: we escaped the desert with a victory and an epic
Speaker 1: meltdown that we were all watching, I think on the
Speaker 1: plane light home or once we got home. It was
Speaker 1: on ESPN, so it was It was a game that,
Speaker 1: you know, really helped catapult us on a road to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. We were just having that kind of
Speaker 1: a magical year where even when things weren't going right,
Speaker 1: we found a way to win games and ultimately Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning had to last laugh in Miami that year. But
Speaker 1: that's a game that even though I didn't step foot
Speaker 1: on the field as a player, I was in the
Speaker 1: building and it's definitely one I'll never forget. What would
Speaker 1: be your advice? I know injuries deralled your career in
Speaker 1: the NFL, What would be your advice for some younger
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, you know the Cardinals with Chandler Jones gone,
Speaker 1: we've got to figure out, Okay, is it going to
Speaker 1: be in terms of pass rush manufacturing it or are
Speaker 1: we going to rely on you know, Marcus Golden who
Speaker 1: did have actually, you know, double digit sacks last year
Speaker 1: to have another big year. But the Cardinals draft Cam
Speaker 1: Thomas out of San Diego State. Uh. There are several
Speaker 1: young guys, guys you probably have covered doing college football
Speaker 1: for ESPN, or Chard Lawrence for out of LSU, Zach
Speaker 1: Allen out of Boston College, a lot of young defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: That's a position the Cardinals are really relying on. What
Speaker 1: would be your advice, Dusty for young guys at that
Speaker 1: position trying to break out in the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I would say, especially an
Speaker 1: outlooking back days, take care of your body. I mean,
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a brutal position and man down
Speaker 1: anywhere along there, I mean after J. J. Watt, I
Speaker 1: think you've got to take care of your body. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's one thing looking back, I thought
Speaker 1: I was taking care of my body. I think there
Speaker 1: are even more resources now, you know, six you know,
Speaker 1: sixteen years since I was a rookie than there was
Speaker 1: when I was there. But I think that your health
Speaker 1: is always first and foremost your feet and hands. Take
Speaker 1: care of those things. Anything you can do, you know,
Speaker 1: year round, but especially in season, whether it's cold tubs, massages,
Speaker 1: you know what you're putting in your body in season.
Speaker 1: I think it's the utmost importance. You take that stuff
Speaker 1: for granted. I feel like and you're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't already worry about I'm yelling, I'm fine, I'm healthy.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things I would say
Speaker 1: first and foremost. And you know, the reality is, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to be a physical a physical player. I
Speaker 1: would always tell players, you know, the mindset is different
Speaker 1: up there. But I think that aside from just kind
Speaker 1: of and you know my mindset, you're up in the
Speaker 1: boots with me. I'm just kind of wired that way
Speaker 1: all the time. I think that film study, it's really
Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest reasons I even had a
Speaker 1: chance to play, is so important, right, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna work and technique and hand placement and get off
Speaker 1: and you know your footwork, your hands, all those things
Speaker 1: are really important and different pass rush moves and how
Speaker 1: you counter and having a plan. But I think even
Speaker 1: though you play, you know you're not a linebacker, you're
Speaker 1: not a safety. But really being a student of the game,
Speaker 1: understanding you know, formations, understanding backsets, knowing what I'm anticipating
Speaker 1: here on second seven tendencies of teams. I think that
Speaker 1: that pays just a mental aspect of the game, even
Speaker 1: for a nose tackle or a defensive end or a
Speaker 1: three technique, whatever position you play, you can give yourself
Speaker 1: such an added advantage if you put the extra time
Speaker 1: operation work in so that you know, you've got to tip,
Speaker 1: you've got to tell, you've got an idea of potentially
Speaker 1: what to anticipate, and it's going to help put you
Speaker 1: in position to succeed the physical toll and physical demands
Speaker 1: of playing along the line of scrimmage in the NFL
Speaker 1: is amens in any way you can give yourself that
Speaker 1: added advantage. I would really really push young players to
Speaker 1: do all that they can in those two areas. Taking
Speaker 1: care of your body and being sure that you are
Speaker 1: as well versed in your scheme as well as your
Speaker 1: opponent scheme and the guys you're going against you can
Speaker 1: each and every week. That's going to give you the
Speaker 1: best opportunity for longevity and to have success on the
Speaker 1: field in the National Football Well, I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: up dust the mental side of it. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that a lot of guys coming into the NFL from
Speaker 1: college realize the mental toll that playing in the NFL takes.
Speaker 1: How smart everybody is at this level, even on the
Speaker 1: defensive line, and how fast things go, and how you
Speaker 1: just have to react. But you react because you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing based on film study, you know what
Speaker 1: you're looking at. You know one guy that you know
Speaker 1: we're hoping here in your two takes a big step
Speaker 1: as a guy I know you saw in college at
Speaker 1: Tulsa Zavin Collins, who was the first round pick last year.
Speaker 1: He played a lot in the first preseason game. We
Speaker 1: showed one, you know, we did the TV game and
Speaker 1: there was one play where he kind of shoulder blocked
Speaker 1: a guy and the running back ran right behind him.
Speaker 1: He's still trying to figure it out. It has slowed
Speaker 1: down for him some, but watching him, it's it's still
Speaker 1: a work in process, in progress, and I'm just wondering, like,
Speaker 1: when you're a teammate, do you see it, do you
Speaker 1: know it? How much advice can you get? How much
Speaker 1: talking from a coaching standpoint or a teammate standpoint can
Speaker 1: you give a guy until you just let him go
Speaker 1: and you and you let him try to play fast
Speaker 1: as opposed to always coaching or always telling him, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what you need to do. It's a delicate
Speaker 1: balance and it's a great question, Dave. You know, I
Speaker 1: did get a chance to watch David Collins a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. I like his overall size.
Speaker 1: I think he's very good and pass covers, covers a
Speaker 1: lot of space, has a good feel for passing windows.
Speaker 1: And so you know, as you said, I think he's
Speaker 1: still learning. I think as as a coach or a teammates,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to over coach or have
Speaker 1: someone overthinking. If you're thinking too much, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna be slow to go right, and you want
Speaker 1: to get to a place where everything is second nature,
Speaker 1: kind of like you talked about no difference in the
Speaker 1: defensive line. So I would imagine when you're in the
Speaker 1: film room, right, that is to me, when you really
Speaker 1: want to try to impress upon anything that you can,
Speaker 1: whether you're a teammate or a coach, When you're sitting
Speaker 1: there in that film room and you're studying the tape,
Speaker 1: that's when I think you're overly critical that's when I
Speaker 1: think you're really coaching them up and you know, explain
Speaker 1: exactly what to do. Once you get on the field.
Speaker 1: I think you got to kind of just let guys go.
Speaker 1: And that's obviously where you'd like to see that light
Speaker 1: bulb start to come on for Xavian Collins on the
Speaker 1: practice field as well as on the game field, because
Speaker 1: the last thing I think you want in game is
Speaker 1: somebody in your ear too much. You're in game, you're
Speaker 1: in practice, and then all of a sudden, you're starting
Speaker 1: to think about everything everybody's saying to you, and it's
Speaker 1: going to force you to be slower. So I always
Speaker 1: think it's it's far more productive. I think you can't
Speaker 1: coach somebody you know in a preseason game on a
Speaker 1: practice field, not saying that at all. But if there's
Speaker 1: a time to be overly critical or really try to
Speaker 1: push your point and get into think, I think that's
Speaker 1: in the film room. I think that's the perfect time
Speaker 1: where you can explain it, you can show it, and
Speaker 1: you can describe exactly what's expected of you and maybe
Speaker 1: where you took a wrong step, where your eyes are
Speaker 1: in the wrong place, and how you can correct that.
Speaker 1: I think once you get on the field, you know,
Speaker 1: you want guys trusting their instinct, trusting their film study,
Speaker 1: trusting the knowledge that they feel that they have and
Speaker 1: go out there and play as quickly as they can.
Speaker 1: So who am I to criticize or judge the way
Speaker 1: anybody's going to coach a linebacker. But I know for
Speaker 1: me individually, that's where it was always best for me,
Speaker 1: you know, really utilizing that that film room with the staff,
Speaker 1: with the other teammates, because at least the rooms I
Speaker 1: was in a lot of times it was a discussion.
Speaker 1: You know, coach may make a point, and I was
Speaker 1: fortunate in Chicago I play with some quality veterans and
Speaker 1: a guy like Alex Brown or Ada Walle goulier No
Speaker 1: they were quick to add a point, to give a
Speaker 1: tip and add on to potentially what a coach was
Speaker 1: going to say. And I always felt it pays you
Speaker 1: dividends and then we go out there on the field.
Speaker 1: You know, it would allow me to be able to
Speaker 1: play fast. Hopefully that happens for Zaven Collins. I know,
Speaker 1: when you take a guy as high as they did,
Speaker 1: I believe around tip sixteen, a lot expected and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you and I've kind of talked about this
Speaker 1: with Simmons the year before. It seemed like he made
Speaker 1: a real jump from his first year to the second
Speaker 1: year in college. I think a lot of guys making
Speaker 1: huge jump from their freshman years of sophomore year. I
Speaker 1: think you can see sometimes a similar path in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. There's a lot of the play of
Speaker 1: the second level linebacker in the NFL. So hopefully, even
Speaker 1: though it sounds like you, maybe we saw a little
Speaker 1: bit of those ailments in Week one from Dave, and
Speaker 1: hopefully we start to see him getting a better understanding
Speaker 1: playing a little bit faster here in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1: Another guy that you and I talked about weekly last
Speaker 1: year was Kyler Murray. And you have been as bullish
Speaker 1: on Kyler going back to when he came out and
Speaker 1: was the number one pick in the draft. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure part of the reason is you're close to him,
Speaker 1: You're close to the situation, you live in Norman, you
Speaker 1: played at Oklahoma, and you covered him in college, and
Speaker 1: I'm curious, why why were you? He has not disappointed.
Speaker 1: He's been to two Pro Bowls, he was the offensive
Speaker 1: rookie of the year. But again, you were one of
Speaker 1: the guys that said, he's he's going to be a star,
Speaker 1: Like there's no doubt the sizes in an issue, He's
Speaker 1: got the arm strength, and obviously his athletic ability was
Speaker 1: not a question. But why were you so on top
Speaker 1: of it? Do you think when he came out. I
Speaker 1: just think he's as remarkable and athletes you've ever seen
Speaker 1: in professional sports. I mean, and I think the proofs
Speaker 1: in the pudding. I believe the status, and please correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong day, because you know I'm wrong
Speaker 1: a lot, but I believe the status. We've never we've
Speaker 1: never had another player be selected in the first round
Speaker 1: of two of the major you know, five sports in
Speaker 1: multiple sports, and he was a top ten pick nine
Speaker 1: baseball at number one in football. If that doesn't help
Speaker 1: illustrate just the god given abilities he has, I don't
Speaker 1: know what does. I also take you back through when
Speaker 1: he was at Alan High School and my grandfather, I
Speaker 1: don't forget I came back. I think I was with
Speaker 1: the Bears, and I came home at one point and
Speaker 1: was in the offseason right after the year, and got
Speaker 1: back and we were having dinner with my grandparents and
Speaker 1: my grandpa he had always watched the Texas high school
Speaker 1: football state championships because it'd be on like local TV.
Speaker 1: And he's like telling me about this kid from Allen, Texas.
Speaker 1: And you know, my grandfather, not that he's an NFL scout,
Speaker 1: but he's been watching football for a long time, and
Speaker 1: he was telling me about this this little guy from Allen, Texas,
Speaker 1: and he told me he's the most unbelievable player I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. And we all know he went forty three
Speaker 1: and in Texas High School, which some of the best
Speaker 1: high school football you will find anywhere, and he's an
Speaker 1: absolute legend. And then I got a chance to see
Speaker 1: him firsthand right there, Norman, as you're alluded to, and
Speaker 1: I was I just marvel at his talent, at his acceleration,
Speaker 1: at his ability to feel pressure. And then you see
Speaker 1: the ball come out of his arm, and he's got
Speaker 1: an absolute cannon for a guy his size, and so
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I just always I just always
Speaker 1: trust it. Man. This is a guy that if I'm
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see him. He scares the heck out of the day.
Speaker 1: And not many things scare me, but a guy like him,
Speaker 1: who can do what he does with his mobility so
Speaker 1: tough to to be able to confine in a tight space,
Speaker 1: and then you know, at any moment's notice can really
Speaker 1: throw it from any arm animal on an absolute rope
Speaker 1: wherever he wants. That's scary, and so I just I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't never concern myself with this guide. It's fascinating
Speaker 1: that I start with my advice for the defensive lineman
Speaker 1: his film study, and we all know the whole situation
Speaker 1: that was in the contract. I never heard that about
Speaker 1: him at Oklahoma like that was. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it's news to me, but I never heard anybody
Speaker 1: say that he's not dialed in, he's not focused, he's
Speaker 1: not putting an extra work aside from the field. So
Speaker 1: that was a bit of a new element to kind
Speaker 1: of see. I'll just say this, I truly believe. And
Speaker 1: when you look at how quickly he's been able to
Speaker 1: translate his game from college to the NFL, we see
Speaker 1: all the things I've described. You Cardinal fans, they see it.
Speaker 1: You see it, Dave. He can do things that very
Speaker 1: few people on the planet can do with the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: My hope for him is that regardless if the clause
Speaker 1: is in the contract not in the contract. To me,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The reality is he has a chance
Speaker 1: to be a special player for a long time. He
Speaker 1: has the chance to be a top five quarterback end
Speaker 1: this league. I believe he's still right there is a
Speaker 1: fringe top ten guy. I think he's a top five
Speaker 1: quarterback now. He's still very young, and he still has
Speaker 1: a lot to learn. And my hope is, at the
Speaker 1: very least, there was all this conversation around this clause,
Speaker 1: and however you want to view it, I hope he
Speaker 1: can look at that and say, you know, and just
Speaker 1: ask himself. And I really like Tyler a lot I
Speaker 1: spent I spent quite a bit of time with Coylor.
Speaker 1: I hope he can look himself in there and ask himself,
Speaker 1: am I doing everything I can to be the best
Speaker 1: that I can? Am I doing everything that I can
Speaker 1: each and every day to maximize my opportunity that I
Speaker 1: have right now in the National Football League? And if
Speaker 1: the answer to that question is no, then hopefully he
Speaker 1: looks at this as an opportunity to start to put
Speaker 1: that extra work in, to start to really understand that,
Speaker 1: you know what It takes more than just natural talent
Speaker 1: natural ability. It takes extra work at this position more
Speaker 1: so than any other if you want to be elite,
Speaker 1: if you want to be one of the best of
Speaker 1: the best. And so a lot of conversation has been
Speaker 1: had over that topic. I'm sure you've had to have
Speaker 1: it as well. I look at this as potentially an
Speaker 1: eye opening moment and one that if he's not doing
Speaker 1: all the things away from the facility, then he needs
Speaker 1: to be doing. He looks at this, he views it,
Speaker 1: and he says, Okay, no one's ever going to say
Speaker 1: this about me. If I'm not the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL, it won't be because I didn't put in
Speaker 1: the extra time and I didn't do everything I could
Speaker 1: each and every week to fully prepare. Because I believe Dave,
Speaker 1: as you know, and we've had long, lengthy conversations with you,
Speaker 1: me and other members of our crew, and I am
Speaker 1: team Kyler through and through. I do believe if he
Speaker 1: fully puts that aspect of his game with the guy's
Speaker 1: given ability, the sky's the limit for him, and the
Speaker 1: sky's the limit for the sazon of the Cardinals team.
Speaker 1: Moving forward, another guy that you know well is Marquis Brown.
Speaker 1: And when Cliff was on the podcast a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: of all the things he said, what stood out to
Speaker 1: me Dusty the most was And as you know, Cliff
Speaker 1: and Lincoln Riley are very close. He said, Lincoln told
Speaker 1: him Marcus Brown's the best practice player he's ever seen.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you read a lot of those practices.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw a lot of Marquis Brown. He
Speaker 1: and Kyler are best friends. What do Cardinal fans have
Speaker 1: to look forward to with Hollywood and the connection with Kyler, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of trust. First of all,
Speaker 1: like you said, that connection is very real. They trust
Speaker 1: each other immensely. I think just from a timing perspective,
Speaker 1: they're going to be about as Valvin as anybody. They
Speaker 1: had unbelievable report together at Oklahoma. You know, Hollywood is
Speaker 1: a great practice player. Like he puts in the work.
Speaker 1: I mean it's very evident he has worked his tail off.
Speaker 1: He gets to where he is at this point in
Speaker 1: his career to morph himself into a first round pick.
Speaker 1: You know, his top end speed is clearly there. I
Speaker 1: think he tracks the football very very well. He's tough
Speaker 1: to deal with and type spaces, and I'm fascinating to
Speaker 1: see exactly, you know, how Cliff gets him involved and
Speaker 1: what his role is going to be. You know, he's
Speaker 1: tough to deal with a man to man coverage. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just a very difficult guy to be able to
Speaker 1: run with. And I think you can move them around
Speaker 1: a little bit at wide receiver and play him in
Speaker 1: different spots. You know, clearly this is a guy that
Speaker 1: Tyler I'm sure wanted to get in Arizona, and you
Speaker 1: know the fact that there is that trust, there is
Speaker 1: that chemistry, there is that history together. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see if they can replicate what they're able to
Speaker 1: do it Oklahoma. You know, Marquiss he had a foot
Speaker 1: at the end of his career at Oklahoma the league.
Speaker 1: It forced him to miss that playoff game against Alabama
Speaker 1: that year. So it was unfortunate that we couldn't get
Speaker 1: a you know, the real Marquis Brown that final time
Speaker 1: out there with Tyler Murray in the postseason. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm excited that they get a chance to reunite and
Speaker 1: rekindle what was just an unbelievable connection between those two. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's his name's Hollywood for a reason, and
Speaker 1: I know that he hails from that part of Florida.
Speaker 1: But it's life camera action when when mister Brown and
Speaker 1: mister Murray on the field together. So put me in
Speaker 1: the camp that can't wait to see exactly what it
Speaker 1: looks like in the NFL. And I would imagine Cliffs
Speaker 1: is excited about different ways he's going to utilize him
Speaker 1: and shot it and probably some of the matchups he's
Speaker 1: going to be able to create. I didn't realize until
Speaker 1: I started working with you last year just how many
Speaker 1: people you know we've already talked about, Uh you're you know,
Speaker 1: Brian or Lacker being one of your best friends. And
Speaker 1: Kevin Casper, another guy, former Cardinal. His son Kyler is
Speaker 1: at Oregon, right, he was one of the top recruits
Speaker 1: in the country. That's absolutely right. And and David, you know,
Speaker 1: I did call that area home for about six months.
Speaker 1: It was a brief day, but we moved out to
Speaker 1: the Maricopa County area a few years ago, and I
Speaker 1: got to be really good friends with Kevin Casper, and well,
Speaker 1: he loves the Arizona Cardinals and his time there. It
Speaker 1: brought him to the family back to that area. And
Speaker 1: you know, his son is one of the top receivers
Speaker 1: coming out. He's up at Oregon. Now Kyler is anticipate,
Speaker 1: it's going to do really good things. And you know,
Speaker 1: the one thing about Kevin and I'm sure I don't
Speaker 1: know how much Cardinals fans do this at the time,
Speaker 1: but you want to talk about work ethic. I've seen
Speaker 1: still at this point in his life, and he's probably
Speaker 1: at about point two percent body fat. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is chiseled from granite. But you know, he works about
Speaker 1: as hard as anybody I've ever been around. It's why
Speaker 1: he's able to have a nice career in the National
Speaker 1: Football League from being a walk on at Iowa, I
Speaker 1: think carving out seven or eight years professionally. His sons
Speaker 1: are the exact same way, and I've had a chance
Speaker 1: to watch them, you know firsthand, the way they work,
Speaker 1: that they put in and that's just a It's a
Speaker 1: great family and I'm fired up and excited about what
Speaker 1: he potentially has moving for it. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: this one thing. I didn't realize that area, you know,
Speaker 1: the Gilbert Chandler temptee, just that whole kind of area
Speaker 1: that you live in and a lot of Cardinals fans
Speaker 1: live in the amount of college talent that's coming out
Speaker 1: of those areas right now is immense. I mean every year,
Speaker 1: I feel like you see more and more and more
Speaker 1: a lot of it. I think, you know how to
Speaker 1: former professional athletes moving out there because it's such a
Speaker 1: great place to call home. But that's one thing that
Speaker 1: I did not realize probably prior to the last three
Speaker 1: or four years, and I had a chance to go
Speaker 1: out there and now pay a little bit closer attention.
Speaker 1: But that has become a hotbed for a lot of different,
Speaker 1: you know, fantastic high school players coming out and turned
Speaker 1: into some of the top college recruits here in year out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Kevin Casper and his son Kyler Casper definitely
Speaker 1: a name to keep an eye on moving forward here
Speaker 1: this upcoming college football season the years to come. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw Kevin at they had this back together Saturday
Speaker 1: for the first practice and there were a lot of
Speaker 1: Cardinal alumni that were there and Kevin was there, and
Speaker 1: you're right, he looks like he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting too. You brought up the high
Speaker 1: school football and how good high school football is in
Speaker 1: this area, Kyle Van and Bosho does some broadcasting stuff
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. Now he's an assistant coach at a
Speaker 1: high school here locally, and he was saying the same thing,
Speaker 1: how many great players there are in this area, and
Speaker 1: you know it's ever expanding. You were out here for
Speaker 1: a little bit and so just a larger pool of
Speaker 1: great players to be able to play d One. Another
Speaker 1: guy that you're close with is Jim Ross. And I'm
Speaker 1: curious is because I know you were recruited. Was it
Speaker 1: coming out of Oklahoma to become a professional wrestler And
Speaker 1: was it Jim Ross that recruited you? Yes? So Jr.
Speaker 1: You know, legend in the wrestling world, famous for the
Speaker 1: infamous black hat, black cowboy hat that he wears. He
Speaker 1: is a major Oklahoma fan. And Jim actually he still
Speaker 1: keeps the House series also down in Jacksonville now with
Speaker 1: the new aw But he him and his wife lived
Speaker 1: here in Norman and he would always be on the
Speaker 1: sideline at home of games, him and Toby Keith of
Speaker 1: all people. And you know, I don't don't know if
Speaker 1: I should say this, but I'll say it to you
Speaker 1: since I'm on the Pott the past pot but whenever
Speaker 1: we'd be in blowouts, we you know, we get to
Speaker 1: come out of game and we'd stand down there, and
Speaker 1: I got to know Toby Keith and I got to
Speaker 1: know Jim Ross really well. So a relationship formed when
Speaker 1: I was still in college. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a picture of me or not, but
Speaker 1: for people that don't know, I used to weigh about
Speaker 1: three hundred five pounds. I had bleached blonde hair down
Speaker 1: the middle of my back. I wore wore paint like
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Warrior on my face. I got tattoos on
Speaker 1: my back, in my arms and my shoulder, so I
Speaker 1: looked like I got a cast member out of the
Speaker 1: professional wrestling did. And I grew up in high school
Speaker 1: and stuff. I was a big as a kid. I
Speaker 1: was a big wrestling fan. And so like when I
Speaker 1: first started chanting to meet Jim Ross, Wow, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Then I just got to know him. He's got to
Speaker 1: be a friend. And he always kind of said like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you know, we'd love to have you, you know,
Speaker 1: if you'd like. And so he used to always have
Speaker 1: these conversations when I was still incompetence, and you know,
Speaker 1: as it got closer and closer to the end of
Speaker 1: my playing days in college, it felt and it seemed
Speaker 1: like I was gonna have an opportunity the NFL, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I can't pass on this opportunity. But you
Speaker 1: never know, maybe after I'm done playing, potentially I could.
Speaker 1: I could give that a try. Well, since I've passed.
Speaker 1: My roommate at the time was a guy named Jay
Speaker 1: Kagar or his wrestling name became Jack Swagger, And so
Speaker 1: it wasn't me it got the wrestling dude. It was
Speaker 1: my roommate who was also a defensive lineman who had
Speaker 1: a wrestling background. He's actually the guy who introduced me
Speaker 1: to my wife from little Old Perry, Oklahoma. Instead of
Speaker 1: Me saying yes to Jim, it was Jake that did.
Speaker 1: And Jake went on to have a great career, was
Speaker 1: actually a champ, you know, world champion at one point,
Speaker 1: and the w W under Jack Swagger. He is still
Speaker 1: actually wrestling in the AW. So when my football playing
Speaker 1: days were over, days they were over because my body
Speaker 1: was broke down and beat up. I had had two
Speaker 1: torn acls, I had had two roughs and biceps ten
Speaker 1: that I had to shoulder surgery had a foot surgery
Speaker 1: and I was coming off another banged up knee from
Speaker 1: my last year in the UFL. So there was a
Speaker 1: conversation between me and Jim, but it was a very
Speaker 1: short and quick one. The body it was tapping out already.
Speaker 1: There was no way I was stepping foot in the ring.
Speaker 1: But every now and again, Dave, I do think about
Speaker 1: what might have been, what might have been the persona
Speaker 1: of Dustin of Vorchek if he would have said yes
Speaker 1: to Jim Ross and he would have stepped foot in
Speaker 1: that ring. I don't know exactly what that would have
Speaker 1: looked or said, I'm like, but it's fun to think about.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that what would you would you
Speaker 1: have changed your name? Because there are two former Cardinals
Speaker 1: who are in professional wrestling, uh Dean Muttati. I don't
Speaker 1: think he played a lot, but he went by the
Speaker 1: name of Mojoe Rawley and then Tom Pestock, who I
Speaker 1: remember in training camp fighting. I can't remember who he fought,
Speaker 1: but he got in a fight and nobody wanted any
Speaker 1: part of him because he was a great boxer. Uh
Speaker 1: he is. He goes by Baron Corbin. I don't know
Speaker 1: if these names are familiar to you. But would you
Speaker 1: have change your name at all? I would have done
Speaker 1: whatever they told me too. You know, I grew up
Speaker 1: an Arnold fan. You know there was a Conan, the Barbarian,
Speaker 1: the Destroyer. I always thought Dusty's a destroyer. I would
Speaker 1: have liked to keep part of it. I think that
Speaker 1: would have fit me very well. Was where I was,
Speaker 1: you know, come out of college, or where I was
Speaker 1: when I was finishing up my plane? Care? What do
Speaker 1: you think that that? Yeah? That's good. I like that
Speaker 1: because I mean, like hul Cogan's name is like a
Speaker 1: I mean Dusty. You keep Dusty like hul Cogan, I
Speaker 1: think totally changed his name. I can't remember what it is.
Speaker 1: But then you had like mister wonderful Paul Orndorf if
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was his real name, he
Speaker 1: just added it Rowdy Roddy Piper used to wear the kilt.
Speaker 1: Would you have had like a well, you couldn't steal
Speaker 1: that and wear a kilt? Would you have had like
Speaker 1: a an outfit that would coincide with the name appropriately
Speaker 1: Dusty to destroyer? I think so? You know, as I
Speaker 1: think about it, you know we could have gone so
Speaker 1: you can't go Dusty Rhodes, Dusty Trails, dusty bottoms, but
Speaker 1: Dusty is a destroyer. Yeah, I mean I always I
Speaker 1: always really like UM. I always really liked um. You
Speaker 1: know the various guys. I mean, face paint would have
Speaker 1: happened then something that I was a part of the
Speaker 1: Bushwhackers back in the day and they kind of did there,
Speaker 1: you know, up and down thing. Um. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what my outfull would have been, Dave,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that far down the line. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, You've got a creative mind. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can you can gladly put me something together if
Speaker 1: you want to be you know, I'm only I'm not
Speaker 1: forty yet, so I could always make a comeback potentially,
Speaker 1: and if you're able to put the right outfit together,
Speaker 1: that might finally give me the final push that I
Speaker 1: need to go over the top. I definitely don't think
Speaker 1: I would have been one and like the Spandex underwear,
Speaker 1: like I envisioned me more something in like a long
Speaker 1: pant with a boot, So I think probably something in
Speaker 1: that genre. You know, if I could have worn some
Speaker 1: some football pads out there that I took off before
Speaker 1: we actually started. I think that would have suited me
Speaker 1: just fine. I mean, I'm a I'm a nose tackle
Speaker 1: at heart. I'm a nose tackle threw and threw. I
Speaker 1: would have had to utilize that some way. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know Goldberg, he had, you know, his great move, his
Speaker 1: great finishing move I think was the spear where you
Speaker 1: essentially just gave that unbelievable shoulder and it was basically
Speaker 1: a form tackle. I would have had to incorporate something
Speaker 1: with football as my backdrop into my character, Dusty, to
Speaker 1: destroy your no question. Yeah, who knows, man, you could
Speaker 1: have been the rock, you know, former player at Miami.
Speaker 1: We've already gone way over the time that we were
Speaker 1: supposed to have you. But I do have a couple
Speaker 1: more and I want to get to college football. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Dusty, you finished up playing professional football
Speaker 1: in the UFL, And right now there are two other
Speaker 1: professional leagues other than the NFL. You have the USFL
Speaker 1: and then the XFL is starting back up, and your
Speaker 1: good friend and former coach Bob Stoops is one of
Speaker 1: the head coaches in the XFL. Can these other leagues succeed?
Speaker 1: Can they survive? And thrive in your opinion, I hope so. So.
Speaker 1: I played in the UFL and it was it was
Speaker 1: a fascinating league. It was a it was a reality check.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. You go from being at
Speaker 1: Hollis Hall on playing the Soldier field to you know,
Speaker 1: your locker as a piece of tape on a wall
Speaker 1: and a chair, like it's a reality check. But it
Speaker 1: was really good football. Like that's the thing that stuck
Speaker 1: out to me. You know, we had great coaches. Now,
Speaker 1: Dennis Green was in our league. He coached the California
Speaker 1: team and Dante Culpepper was their quarterback. Marty Schottenheimer coach
Speaker 1: of Virginia team, and I believe on that staff, Jay
Speaker 1: Gruden was the offensive coordinator, Jim has I think was
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. Jim Fossil was the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Vegas team. Like we and it was real football
Speaker 1: with real players. You know, I played with guys that
Speaker 1: you know, we're former All pros, and you know, a
Speaker 1: mind Green was in our backfield. So it was like
Speaker 1: made me really lies. Like, as you know, David, you've
Speaker 1: been around the NFL for a long time. There's good
Speaker 1: football players that don't make a fifty three for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's where they're out in their career, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a contract situation. But there's a lot of really good
Speaker 1: players that are fringe guys that don't make it. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of young players that maybe just don't get
Speaker 1: that real opportunity. You know, they get overlooked through the
Speaker 1: draft and an undrafted free agent and they go to
Speaker 1: a camp and they may do a couple of good things,
Speaker 1: but it's just on the cards, you know, they just
Speaker 1: they're not able to make the fifty three, they can't
Speaker 1: make the practice squad, and then they're done. I love
Speaker 1: I really appreciated the fact that that league at least
Speaker 1: off for another opportunity. Now, I mean full disclosure. I
Speaker 1: was able to get my work really hard, is able
Speaker 1: to get my business degree from Oklahoma. I knew football
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be forever, but I thought I could
Speaker 1: still play, and that gave me the opportunity to see
Speaker 1: if I could still go out there and do it.
Speaker 1: And though I didn't get picked up for many NFL teams,
Speaker 1: several of my teammates did. And it gave a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that are still playing opportunities that they would
Speaker 1: have never had had that league not been around, so
Speaker 1: you know the financial side of it, and the league
Speaker 1: ultimately folded the year after I left. I played in
Speaker 1: their two years and body just completely gave out and
Speaker 1: I was done. But you know, I do think there's
Speaker 1: a place for it. You know, this USFL, the way
Speaker 1: they did it this year, having all the games in Birmingham,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. The one thing I appreciate, I
Speaker 1: played Omall and we packed out Rosenblatt. We we have
Speaker 1: because I played in the last year Rosenblatt. In the
Speaker 1: first year t Americate, we had sellouts. Like the town
Speaker 1: of Omall. The city of Omall fully embraced it. They
Speaker 1: were all in. It was good environment, It's great, it's
Speaker 1: real football, and I really, I mean, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I really really appreciated my time in that league, and
Speaker 1: I appreciated the fact that it was at least an opportunity.
Speaker 1: And I do think though that having a centralized hub,
Speaker 1: without having true home field advantages, you know, without having
Speaker 1: places where fans can get behind something, I think it
Speaker 1: makes it difficult because atmosphere matters. So I can't say
Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect model. I'm intrigued at the XFL.
Speaker 1: I think the Rock is a very smart, business savvy guy.
Speaker 1: I hope they're able to sell it and it's able
Speaker 1: to in some way grab holds. I don't think that
Speaker 1: we have to have more football in this country, but
Speaker 1: I do think there's a place for it if it
Speaker 1: can be marketed and put in the right spots. And
Speaker 1: the biggest reason I'm an advocate is because I think
Speaker 1: it creates opportunities for a lot of guys that if
Speaker 1: we don't have these leagues, they're just not there. And
Speaker 1: I'm all about opportunity, and you know, the more we
Speaker 1: can get to that, I think the better. So I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for it to work. Obviously, my former right coach
Speaker 1: and the man that I love, and Bob Stubs, you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go full blown into coaching, but
Speaker 1: he wants to dip his toe back in the water
Speaker 1: in this league, and I'll be rooting for him, and
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for all these guys. I'd love it if
Speaker 1: they could get the right management, the right plan in
Speaker 1: place for its work. It felt like the XFL last
Speaker 1: time I had a chance, then COVID hit and erect
Speaker 1: everything right, So we'll see now if the Rocks and
Speaker 1: can reboot this thing and get it going. I can't
Speaker 1: sider and say with conviction, yes it's one hundred percent
Speaker 1: go to work, but I feel that there's a place
Speaker 1: for it. It serves a purpose, and personally, I'll be
Speaker 1: one that hopes it to see. Along with being one
Speaker 1: of the top college football analysts on ESPN and ABCU,
Speaker 1: host a daily morning college football show, Dusty and Danny
Speaker 1: in the Morning, Sirius XM, ESPN you radio, so you
Speaker 1: are as dialed in on college football as anybody, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have talked a lot about this.
Speaker 1: I was shocked when and I'm close to it because
Speaker 1: I do you know, a ton of Pack twelve basketball
Speaker 1: for ESPN. I was shocked when UCLA and USC announced
Speaker 1: that they were leaving for the Big Ten and just
Speaker 1: thinking about how long it's going to take the equipment
Speaker 1: truck to get from Los Angeles to Rutgers. You know,
Speaker 1: people forget that it's not just about the players, it's
Speaker 1: they've got to get equipment there and it can't all
Speaker 1: go on the plane. Eventually, how many conferences do you
Speaker 1: think we'll have? I guess what I'm asking is, we
Speaker 1: know we're not done with realignment. Where does this end
Speaker 1: up ultimately two, three, five years from now. It's a
Speaker 1: fascinating question, and it's a million dollar question. And to
Speaker 1: be completely honest, I don't know if anyone those days.
Speaker 1: I can give you a couple of thoughts. I think
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that it's set up in its
Speaker 1: similar to the National Football League and then it's a
Speaker 1: Big Ten the SEC. Where does that stop you from
Speaker 1: major college football? And then maybe next year down you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it splits off and it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: Division two if you will, and they're competing for a
Speaker 1: different national championship. You know, it would make sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are two mega leagues for the two biggest bullish
Speaker 1: brands out there. And if there was essentially like a
Speaker 1: North and a South, right you had your AFC, your NFC,
Speaker 1: and you kind of already got a lines are on
Speaker 1: the sand. Foxes is pretty much embedded there with the
Speaker 1: Big Ten, and espn is is very much in business
Speaker 1: with the SEC. I could see that happening. Ultimately. Does
Speaker 1: Greg Sanky Commissioner the SEC, Kevin Warren Commissioner the Big Ten,
Speaker 1: do they want to go that route because I think
Speaker 1: they hold most of the cards. If they want to
Speaker 1: split off and form their own thing, they can do it.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt that the money is there, the interest
Speaker 1: would be there, the matchups would be phenomenal. Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot about that that you're life man, that it's
Speaker 1: basically become the NFL life And where does it stop?
Speaker 1: You know, currently each of those leagues has sixteen sixteen
Speaker 1: and sixteen thirty two. Sounds very familiar, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of marquee brands Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Oregon, Washington,
Speaker 1: you know even more that I would say Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: and what happens with those teams. So if we were
Speaker 1: to go to that two league system, if Sankey and
Speaker 1: warren't decide this is the direction we want to go,
Speaker 1: this is where we're going to house our conferences. You know,
Speaker 1: how many more do they add? Is it twenty a
Speaker 1: league and they get to forty teams? You know, I've
Speaker 1: talked for a lot of college football coaches and I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot of them say they think it heading
Speaker 1: to two super conferences? Is that the case? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I could also see it potentially, you know, going to
Speaker 1: four and maybe you know, the Act twelve. We'll see
Speaker 1: if if the Big Ten decide k we want Oregon
Speaker 1: and Washington, you know, what happens to the rest of
Speaker 1: that league. There's been a lot of rumors about but
Speaker 1: since the Arizona schools, as well as Utah and Colorado
Speaker 1: joining in the Big Twelve. At some point, you know,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's a real wild card in this. You know,
Speaker 1: do they stay independent, they may join a league. There's
Speaker 1: so many questions, and we really don't know. Personally, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit of a traditional I don't want to see
Speaker 1: a lot of these other schools just completely go to
Speaker 1: the wayside and be eradicated from major college football. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Big twelve country day. I think about
Speaker 1: Kansas State and those fans in Manhattan. I think about
Speaker 1: Iowa State, those fans and names Iowa, you know. I
Speaker 1: think about some of these other schools, some of these
Speaker 1: other programs that if the music stops and they don't
Speaker 1: have a home, what becomes of them, what becomes of
Speaker 1: their athletic depart I think about a Luke Fickle at
Speaker 1: Cincinnati who they've worked so hard to get to the
Speaker 1: Big twelve right to get over this stigma of being
Speaker 1: a group of five school and they finally get there,
Speaker 1: and he sticks around for it. And then if they're
Speaker 1: not even a part of the equation for major college
Speaker 1: football competing for championships, you know that rubs me the
Speaker 1: wrong way. You and I hate to dance around the question,
Speaker 1: but the reality is there's so many scenarios that could
Speaker 1: play out. I don't know exactly what's direction it goes,
Speaker 1: but it does feel like the Big Ten in the SEC,
Speaker 1: they hold the cards and they're going to be the
Speaker 1: one to make the decision. Is this a two team
Speaker 1: major college football league? Is this a multiple you know,
Speaker 1: college football league? Ultimately, I think that answer resides with
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren and Greg Sankey, and I think if you
Speaker 1: put a truth sermon them, they don't fully know exactly
Speaker 1: what that's going to be yet. Kevin Warren the commissioner
Speaker 1: or the Big Ten, Greg Sankey commissioner or the SEC.
Speaker 1: I don't think you danced around it. You gave an
Speaker 1: honest answer. No one knows, but it does feel like
Speaker 1: we are far from over. I'm sure the contracts for
Speaker 1: a lot of the conferences that currently are in existence.
Speaker 1: The TV contracts could determine eventually where we land, but
Speaker 1: one thing is for certain, We're not done. Last question, dust,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've given your playoff predictions for
Speaker 1: college football yet. We will have Clemson Labor Day night.
Speaker 1: We're doing the Chick fil A kickoff game on ESPN.
Speaker 1: It's an eight Eastern kick. You me Tom Luganville down
Speaker 1: on the field as the field analysts. That's our Week
Speaker 1: one assignment. And a lot of people have Clemson back
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff. And it may not be
Speaker 1: because Djula is the quarterback. Maybe it's Kad Klubnick, who,
Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence, was a big time recruit, may end
Speaker 1: up playing a lot, maybe even starting early on, maybe
Speaker 1: even starting Week one. We don't know yet. But do
Speaker 1: you see Clemson climbing back into the college football Playoff?
Speaker 1: And who are some of the other teams to watch?
Speaker 1: Alabama is going to be scary good, scary good. They
Speaker 1: might have the two best players in the country. For
Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, if you haven't seen Will Anderson, thirty one,
Speaker 1: the outside stand up backer for them, play, you need
Speaker 1: to watch him. He's as good a defensive players I've
Speaker 1: seen a long time, and they've got a young kid,
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner opposite him, Houston Satchel. That defense is going
Speaker 1: to be Georgia from last year esque. And then you've
Speaker 1: got you've got the raigning Heisman Trophy winner coming back.
Speaker 1: On offense, it's gonna be really good Ohio State's offense. Wow.
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud, trevieon Henderson, You and I Dave had
Speaker 1: a chance to call one of their games last year.
Speaker 1: They are They are special. Jasin Smith and Jigbus a
Speaker 1: receiver to keep your eye on. Marvin Harrison Junior is
Speaker 1: a name to watch out for, someone that's going to
Speaker 1: be an emerging star this year in college football. And
Speaker 1: they just had a new defensive coordinator from Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: and Jim Knowles. They've got real talent up front. Jack
Speaker 1: Sawyer's a young tenom defensive end that going into a
Speaker 1: second year in college he's probably got a chance to
Speaker 1: really break out. Those are the two best teams in
Speaker 1: the country heading into the year. I do, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I do. I don't like to
Speaker 1: be Chalky Dave, but I don't know how you don't
Speaker 1: pick those two teams to win their leagues and being
Speaker 1: the playoff. I do think Clemson gets back. I do
Speaker 1: think Clemson their defense is going to be special, and
Speaker 1: that's without their defensive coordinator, my former defensive coordinator who's
Speaker 1: now the head coach at Oklahoma and bring ventibles. But
Speaker 1: they've got a guy in Brian Percy who missed all
Speaker 1: of the last year at an injury, one of the
Speaker 1: outstanding defensive tackles in the country, Models Murphy. You know,
Speaker 1: they've got speed at linebacker, they got talent in the secondary.
Speaker 1: They've got a running back at Will Shipley who's an
Speaker 1: absolute horse in the back. So they got big, long,
Speaker 1: athletic wide receivers. I think their offensive line is going
Speaker 1: to be better. The question is, like you kind of
Speaker 1: laid it up. Who's gonna be playing quarterback? DJ and
Speaker 1: Louis Lay. I feel like we've heard nothing but confident
Speaker 1: talk at a Davos Sweeney at to most people around Clemson.
Speaker 1: I think the leash is going to be short. You know,
Speaker 1: we did their bowl game against Tylo State, Dave they
Speaker 1: liked this Kate Plusna kid and all reports that I've
Speaker 1: heard from spring and fall camp. He's just to come
Speaker 1: in and back it up and the last time we
Speaker 1: saw a quarterback situation where Dabo made the move to
Speaker 1: a true freshman wasn't that long ago. As Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: they won a national championship. They've got the pieces in
Speaker 1: place to not just win the acc but makes the
Speaker 1: noise in the playoffs. If they get that position right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the more fascinating stories in
Speaker 1: all of college football. And we get a chance to
Speaker 1: start to tell that story in Week one there in
Speaker 1: Atlanta and the chick toil a kickoff against Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: So if they get that position right, they're another team
Speaker 1: that should be put right there in a similar conversation
Speaker 1: as Ohio State in Alabama. You know, I was a
Speaker 1: Georgia fan last year, and I think they got a
Speaker 1: lot coming back. I'm not writing them off, but they
Speaker 1: got to replace five first round picks on the defensive side,
Speaker 1: and they got great players from back Jalen Carter, Nolan
Speaker 1: Smith or a couple and along that front seven. But
Speaker 1: I think they take a step back to the team
Speaker 1: that I've got my eye on, Dave is the Utah youth.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a sleeper, if you didn't
Speaker 1: call him a sleeper the Rainy packtwel champion. They bring
Speaker 1: their quarterback back, they bring a lot of key pieces.
Speaker 1: They got replace the linebacker and Devin Lloyd sensational. But
Speaker 1: I like Kyle Whittingham the head coach. I like the toughness,
Speaker 1: sea and skills, the brand of football that he plays
Speaker 1: and coaches, the lineup and the hitcher right in the
Speaker 1: mouth along the line of scrimmage. I got Utah as
Speaker 1: a team that potentially gets to the playoff, and he
Speaker 1: gets the Pack twelve back to some relevancy. I know
Speaker 1: the spotlight and all the talk is on the team
Speaker 1: out in LA with USC and rightfully so. Lincoln Riley's
Speaker 1: a heck of a coach, and he's got some marquee players.
Speaker 1: But I've got Utah as a team that could potentially
Speaker 1: cracked that college football playoff that I would say aren't
Speaker 1: on a lot of people's top four, but they're likely
Speaker 1: going to be on mine before the season starts. Listen, Dusty,
Speaker 1: great stuff man. Appreciate the time, and we could have
Speaker 1: probably talked for another hour. A lot of things that
Speaker 1: we definitely could have gotten into, but I feel like
Speaker 1: we covered a ton and maybe We'll save all that
Speaker 1: for part two at some point. Man, I love that
Speaker 1: and just not that I have to tell your listeners.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're loyal Arizona Cardinal fans and they listen
Speaker 1: to you on the radio all the time. But you're
Speaker 1: one of the absolute best, and you're an even better guy.
Speaker 1: Phenomenal what you do. You made me better last year.
Speaker 1: I'm fired up. I get a chance to say I
Speaker 1: get to share a boots of you this season. It's
Speaker 1: a pleasure every time we get in there, but I
Speaker 1: actually enjoy It's funny the games are with you. I
Speaker 1: enjoy the pal time, the time we get to hang
Speaker 1: out and just get to know each other, talk about
Speaker 1: our families and just laugh and have fun and try
Speaker 1: to poorly recite James Bond movie. So it's been a
Speaker 1: pleasure of year one with a blast, as was this interview.
Speaker 1: But I'm really looking forward to your two partners. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For people that don't know, when you work with the
Speaker 1: same crew, you fly in for a Saturday game on Thursday,
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're not leaving til Sunday, so
Speaker 1: you're it basically becomes like your second family. You're with
Speaker 1: him week after week, and one of the things we
Speaker 1: did last year, because Dusty had not seen any of
Speaker 1: the Daniel Craig James Bond movies, we I think took
Speaker 1: like three or four weeks in a row and then
Speaker 1: we watched all of them, and then we went and
Speaker 1: saw No Time to Die. And I think we're both
Speaker 1: convinced that James Bond is still alive somewhere. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think I saw him the other day. I still
Speaker 1: can't believe that they did that to them. My wife
Speaker 1: will not watch the movie. She's that upset because she
Speaker 1: knows what happened. A few weeks all right, again, we
Speaker 1: need a spot or maybe we'll have him spot and
Speaker 1: we'll have George the Animal Steel as our statistician. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you won't eat the paper like he ate the turnbuckle
Speaker 1: back in the day when he was wrestling. No question.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time today, partner. Love being a part
Speaker 1: of your fantastic podcast. Thanks brother, appreciate the time. We'll
Speaker 1: definitely have to do a part two with Dusty at
Speaker 1: some point because there was so much more that I
Speaker 1: wanted to get into. But Dusty had some great stuff
Speaker 1: on his career, how he almost became a professional wrestler.
Speaker 1: I thought that whole conversation about his connection to Jim
Speaker 1: Ross was fascinating, and then how his teammate, who eventually
Speaker 1: became Jack Swagger, became a champion. Also, the UFL stuff
Speaker 1: was really interesting because professional football gets incredible TV ratings.
Speaker 1: We know that from just seeing how the NFL has
Speaker 1: exploded over the last two decades, particularly and what that
Speaker 1: might mean for the USFL, which just finished its league
Speaker 1: a couple months back, and the XFL, which is restarting
Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty three. I thought to the story
Speaker 1: about sacking Cliff twice and how Cliff remembers and still
Speaker 1: terrified by Dusty, I felt was good, and obviously just
Speaker 1: how close he is to Kyler Murray and Marquis Brown,
Speaker 1: given that they both played at Oklahoma that's where Dusty played,
Speaker 1: and that he lives in Norman. Some really interesting tidbits
Speaker 1: there on both guys and what Cardinal fans can expect
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Speaker 1: again to our guest, Dusty Dvorchik. I'm Dave Pash. Thanks
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