WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Dusty Dvoracek 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.119 Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.760 I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals announcer Dave Pash. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.760 My guest this week is Dusty Dvoricek, my partner on 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:18.320 ESPN ABC College Football Broadcast. Dusty also hosts a morning 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.600 radio show on sirius XM ESPNU Radio with Danny Cannell. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.279 It's called Dusty and Danny in the Morning. We're going 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.040 to talk some college football breakdown some of the teams 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.960 that Dusty thinks could make the college football playoff. Also 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.560 get his thoughts on college football realignment. We'll talk NFL, 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.320 specifically the Arizona Cardinals. Dusty has a unique connection to 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:44.280 several players on the Cardinals, particularly and most importantly Kyler Murray, 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.120 who played at Oklahoma where Dusty played, and Dusty currently 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.760 lives in Norman, so he's very close to the situation 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.840 there with Kyler and also Hollywood Brown and gives us 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.760 his thoughts and what Cardinal fans can expect from that 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.920 duo here in twenty twenty two. I can't wait to 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.200 see if it's a rep a case, but they're able 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.399 to do it. Oklahoma, I mean is named Hollywood for 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.480 a reason. It's life camera action when mister Brown and 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.040 mister Murray on the field together. 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Gambling problem called one eight hundred. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.000 Next step, All right, let's talk some Cardinals, some college football, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:02:02.840 and a whole lot more with ESPN ABC broadcaster Dusty Divorceeck. So, Dusty, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.040 just a few weeks ago, Cliff Kingsbury was in here 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.600 doing the podcast and he said, Hey, I saw your boy, Dusty. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.880 I was walking by the TV and he's on Big 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.720 twelve Media Day on ESPN, And the first thing he 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.400 said to me, Dusty said, man, I still have nightmares 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:23.640 about that guy. But then he said, I don't know 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.680 what's scarier the memories of him with the long hair 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.320 coming at me and hitting me square in the back 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.160 or the fact that now he's all clean cut like 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:40.000 it was. So it's so good. First of all, I'm 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.959 a huge fan of Cliff. You know, we go way back, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.160 and I gotta tell you I enjoyed getting a chance 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.359 to play against him, but I really enjoyed in two 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.160 thousand and two and I had a chance to sack him. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.960 Now was but twice in the same game, but he was. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.200 He was a great player for them. And yes, my 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.280 look is probably lightly different, as you know, partner, a 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.440 little bit more cleaned up, but I'm more trimmed up 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.160 and long hair has been cut. About fifty to sixty 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.799 pounds has been shed. Got to keep it tight and 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.720 look good. Then next to you up in the boot. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.640 So times they have a change. But man, I appreciate 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.720 Cliff saying that. I definitely definitely had some battles back 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.400 in the day when he was running that red rid offense. Well, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.119 I think he still mad at us because we did 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.600 both the Texas and Oklahoma Texas Tech Games last year. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.240 I can't remember the combined score, but it was like 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.480 one hundred and thirty to ten or something like that. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.960 Speaking of hair, so one of your best friends is 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.160 Brian Urlaker. And it's funny, man, every time I go 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:48.200 into Chicago, they're billboards everywhere, and you know, for O'Hare Airport, 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.240 they play on the hair so it's spelled differently and 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.000 it's a picture of Erlacker. And I told these guys. 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.200 I told Ron Wolfley, who I worked the Cardinal Games with, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.080 and Jim one Hunter or the producer, that there is 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:06.200 an offer that is standing for me to hook up 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.960 with her Lacker to get this hair deal so that 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.560 I have some sprouts because I'm shaving it right now 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.240 because I don't know what to do with it because 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.400 if I grow it out at all, it looks terrible. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.200 So I don't know. Man, I feel like now I'm fifty. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.920 I just turned fifty. I feel like I'm I'm past 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.960 I'm beyond it. I can't do that. Now, give me 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.160 your thoughts on that. I know Brian's cool and he'll 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.440 help me out if I want to do it. But 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.560 I feel like I'm I'm at the point of no 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.920 return with regard to the hair. I think you look 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.960 magnificent with a bald head. You make a bald head 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:49.320 look cool. So I am in no way saying that 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.279 you need to add sprouts, that you need to go 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.240 and have any kind of procedure done. But I will 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.359 say they do a really good job. So if you were, 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.080 you know, if you're looking, and you know I've made 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.800 the call, all you have to do is give the 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.160 go ahead and it's done. Gave pass. And I saw 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.599 some pictures. I think I saw a video of you 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.800 from like nineteen ninety one at Syracuse. I mean, you 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:22.000 had this beautiful, luscious, unbelievable quaff of hair up there. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.360 If you want to go back there, if you want 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.920 to hit the time machine, all you have to do 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.360 is say the word and it's done, because the guys 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:35.400 up there are fantastic and gave. I think, really, you're 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:39.039 in a win win situation. You look great bald, and 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.880 you clearly looked you looked outstanding when you had a 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.840 full head of hair. So I don't think you can 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.680 make a wrong decision. Just the question is you are 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.240 stepping that time machine or not? Or are you happy 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.520 with where you're currently at right now. I can't make 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.400 those decisions for you. I just think you're in a 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.080 great spot. Man. You're in a win win no losers 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.440 here day. All right, Well, let's step but into the 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.680 time machine with you. For those that maybe are primarily 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.920 Cardinal fans, I live here in Arizona and don't know 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.919 completely the background for Dusty to Vorchek. You were a 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:16.799 great player at Oklahoma, multiple All Big Twelve performer at 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.840 on the defensive line, and then a third round pick 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.680 of the Bears, where you became friends with her Lacker. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.039 I've had so many people on this pod, Dusty, that 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.560 are connected to the two thousand and six Monday Night 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.080 football game, which we fondly here called the Monday Night Meltdown. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.000 I'm trying to remember. I know that was your rookie year. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:39.719 Were you hurt for that game here in Phoenix? I was. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.160 I was there though, because I love you had to 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.240 travel with the team to all the games. But yeah, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.880 at that point I had foot surgery, had broken bone 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.400 to my foot earlier in the season, so I was 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.800 not playing, but I was there, and that was one 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.520 that you never forget as a player. You guys, I 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.800 believe Matt Liner with the quarterback in that game, you 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:08.760 guys completely were dismantling us. The offense couldn't do anything. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.920 Rex was a mess, the running game was non existent. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.360 Our defense is what we hung I had on that year, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.360 and you guys were having success on our defense. But 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.040 then it was a couple of turnovers and it was 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.080 the Devin Hester punt return that I still don't know 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:28.720 why you guys kicked it to him, but I'm just 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.560 being completely honest, but I'm glad you did. It was 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.440 one of those that you'll never forget, like it's it's 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.680 and obviously the dinner screen postgame press conference is one 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.280 of the all time greats, every one that will live 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.160 in an all of a postgame press conference floor. But yeah, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.040 I remember like it was yesterday. Why I believe we 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.000 had a I think it was what her Lacker ripped 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.760 one out and Peanut Tillman maybe have a peanut punch. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.400 I know my name, Mark Anderson was a rookie at 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.119 the time. I had a sack strip fumble. I still 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.760 don't know, Dave how we found a way to win 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.400 that game. We didn't even have an offensive touchdown, if 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:14.800 memory serves, it was all defense, special teams, and somehow 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.720 we escaped the desert with a victory and an epic 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.560 meltdown that we were all watching, I think on the 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.000 plane light home or once we got home. It was 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.160 on ESPN, so it was It was a game that, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.560 you know, really helped catapult us on a road to 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.360 the Super Bowl. We were just having that kind of 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.640 a magical year where even when things weren't going right, 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.319 we found a way to win games and ultimately Peyton 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.880 Manning had to last laugh in Miami that year. But 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.560 that's a game that even though I didn't step foot 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.640 on the field as a player, I was in the 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.040 building and it's definitely one I'll never forget. What would 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.320 be your advice? I know injuries deralled your career in 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.960 the NFL, What would be your advice for some younger 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:06.840 defensive lineman, you know the Cardinals with Chandler Jones gone, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.559 we've got to figure out, Okay, is it going to 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.880 be in terms of pass rush manufacturing it or are 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.760 we going to rely on you know, Marcus Golden who 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.439 did have actually, you know, double digit sacks last year 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.920 to have another big year. But the Cardinals draft Cam 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.360 Thomas out of San Diego State. Uh. There are several 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.360 young guys, guys you probably have covered doing college football 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.960 for ESPN, or Chard Lawrence for out of LSU, Zach 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.320 Allen out of Boston College, a lot of young defensive lineman. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.920 That's a position the Cardinals are really relying on. What 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.839 would be your advice, Dusty for young guys at that 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.880 position trying to break out in the NFL. I mean, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.800 I think the biggest thing I would say, especially an 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.040 outlooking back days, take care of your body. I mean, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.800 because that's a that's a brutal position and man down 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.680 anywhere along there, I mean after J. J. Watt, I 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.200 think you've got to take care of your body. And 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.800 I think that that's one thing looking back, I thought 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.679 I was taking care of my body. I think there 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.760 are even more resources now, you know, six you know, 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.800 sixteen years since I was a rookie than there was 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.320 when I was there. But I think that your health 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.120 is always first and foremost your feet and hands. Take 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.320 care of those things. Anything you can do, you know, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.640 year round, but especially in season, whether it's cold tubs, massages, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.240 you know what you're putting in your body in season. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.000 I think it's the utmost importance. You take that stuff 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.520 for granted. I feel like and you're like, I don't know, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.160 I don't already worry about I'm yelling, I'm fine, I'm healthy. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.360 I think that's one of the things I would say 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:48.640 first and foremost. And you know, the reality is, you know, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.040 you've got to be a physical a physical player. I 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.920 would always tell players, you know, the mindset is different 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.680 up there. But I think that aside from just kind 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.160 of and you know my mindset, you're up in the 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.199 boots with me. I'm just kind of wired that way 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.720 all the time. I think that film study, it's really 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.760 probably one of the biggest reasons I even had a 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.760 chance to play, is so important, right, I mean, you're 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.120 gonna work and technique and hand placement and get off 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.560 and you know your footwork, your hands, all those things 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.400 are really important and different pass rush moves and how 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.560 you counter and having a plan. But I think even 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.240 though you play, you know you're not a linebacker, you're 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.760 not a safety. But really being a student of the game, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:40.080 understanding you know, formations, understanding backsets, knowing what I'm anticipating 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.640 here on second seven tendencies of teams. I think that 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.240 that pays just a mental aspect of the game, even 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.000 for a nose tackle or a defensive end or a 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.480 three technique, whatever position you play, you can give yourself 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.640 such an added advantage if you put the extra time 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.360 operation work in so that you know, you've got to tip, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.280 you've got to tell, you've got an idea of potentially 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.880 what to anticipate, and it's going to help put you 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.560 in position to succeed the physical toll and physical demands 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.360 of playing along the line of scrimmage in the NFL 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.240 is amens in any way you can give yourself that 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:28.800 added advantage. I would really really push young players to 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.320 do all that they can in those two areas. Taking 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.320 care of your body and being sure that you are 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.600 as well versed in your scheme as well as your 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.880 opponent scheme and the guys you're going against you can 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.760 each and every week. That's going to give you the 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.320 best opportunity for longevity and to have success on the 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.560 field in the National Football Well, I'm glad you brought 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.439 up dust the mental side of it. I'm not sure 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.520 that a lot of guys coming into the NFL from 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:02.439 college realize the mental toll that playing in the NFL takes. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.240 How smart everybody is at this level, even on the 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:11.480 defensive line, and how fast things go, and how you 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.000 just have to react. But you react because you know 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.600 what you're doing based on film study, you know what 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.720 you're looking at. You know one guy that you know 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.720 we're hoping here in your two takes a big step 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.199 as a guy I know you saw in college at 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.880 Tulsa Zavin Collins, who was the first round pick last year. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.240 He played a lot in the first preseason game. We 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.800 showed one, you know, we did the TV game and 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.040 there was one play where he kind of shoulder blocked 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.280 a guy and the running back ran right behind him. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.160 He's still trying to figure it out. It has slowed 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:49.400 down for him some, but watching him, it's it's still 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.240 a work in process, in progress, and I'm just wondering, like, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.120 when you're a teammate, do you see it, do you 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.079 know it? How much advice can you get? How much 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.719 talking from a coaching standpoint or a teammate standpoint can 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.280 you give a guy until you just let him go 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.600 and you and you let him try to play fast 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.079 as opposed to always coaching or always telling him, hey, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.920 this is what you need to do. It's a delicate 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.920 balance and it's a great question, Dave. You know, I 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.520 did get a chance to watch David Collins a lot. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.520 I'm a big fan of his. I like his overall size. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.360 I think he's very good and pass covers, covers a 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.320 lot of space, has a good feel for passing windows. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.960 And so you know, as you said, I think he's 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.880 still learning. I think as as a coach or a teammates, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.520 you know, you don't want to over coach or have 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:47.080 someone overthinking. If you're thinking too much, then you're gonna 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.760 you're gonna be slow to go right, and you want 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.920 to get to a place where everything is second nature, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.760 kind of like you talked about no difference in the 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.800 defensive line. So I would imagine when you're in the 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.960 film room, right, that is to me, when you really 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.080 want to try to impress upon anything that you can, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.480 whether you're a teammate or a coach, When you're sitting 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.320 there in that film room and you're studying the tape, 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.120 that's when I think you're overly critical that's when I 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.920 think you're really coaching them up and you know, explain 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.760 exactly what to do. Once you get on the field. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.640 I think you got to kind of just let guys go. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.400 And that's obviously where you'd like to see that light 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.560 bulb start to come on for Xavian Collins on the 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.560 practice field as well as on the game field, because 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:32.560 the last thing I think you want in game is 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.920 somebody in your ear too much. You're in game, you're 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.360 in practice, and then all of a sudden, you're starting 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.880 to think about everything everybody's saying to you, and it's 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.880 going to force you to be slower. So I always 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.920 think it's it's far more productive. I think you can't 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.720 coach somebody you know in a preseason game on a 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.280 practice field, not saying that at all. But if there's 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.320 a time to be overly critical or really try to 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.600 push your point and get into think, I think that's 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.720 in the film room. I think that's the perfect time 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.400 where you can explain it, you can show it, and 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.360 you can describe exactly what's expected of you and maybe 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.760 where you took a wrong step, where your eyes are 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.840 in the wrong place, and how you can correct that. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.400 I think once you get on the field, you know, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.640 you want guys trusting their instinct, trusting their film study, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.440 trusting the knowledge that they feel that they have and 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.000 go out there and play as quickly as they can. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.640 So who am I to criticize or judge the way 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.720 anybody's going to coach a linebacker. But I know for 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.200 me individually, that's where it was always best for me, 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.160 you know, really utilizing that that film room with the staff, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.640 with the other teammates, because at least the rooms I 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.040 was in a lot of times it was a discussion. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.600 You know, coach may make a point, and I was 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.960 fortunate in Chicago I play with some quality veterans and 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.560 a guy like Alex Brown or Ada Walle goulier No 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.600 they were quick to add a point, to give a 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.040 tip and add on to potentially what a coach was 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.640 going to say. And I always felt it pays you 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.840 dividends and then we go out there on the field. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.199 You know, it would allow me to be able to 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.359 play fast. Hopefully that happens for Zaven Collins. I know, 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.800 when you take a guy as high as they did, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.960 I believe around tip sixteen, a lot expected and I think, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.040 you know, you and I've kind of talked about this 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.920 with Simmons the year before. It seemed like he made 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.200 a real jump from his first year to the second 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.040 year in college. I think a lot of guys making 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.800 huge jump from their freshman years of sophomore year. I 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.920 think you can see sometimes a similar path in the 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.040 National Football League. There's a lot of the play of 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.960 the second level linebacker in the NFL. So hopefully, even 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.920 though it sounds like you, maybe we saw a little 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.119 bit of those ailments in Week one from Dave, and 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.480 hopefully we start to see him getting a better understanding 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.919 playing a little bit faster here in the coming weeks. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.880 Another guy that you and I talked about weekly last 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.680 year was Kyler Murray. And you have been as bullish 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.399 on Kyler going back to when he came out and 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.120 was the number one pick in the draft. And I'm 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.720 sure part of the reason is you're close to him, 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.720 You're close to the situation, you live in Norman, you 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.840 played at Oklahoma, and you covered him in college, and 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.640 I'm curious, why why were you? He has not disappointed. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.000 He's been to two Pro Bowls, he was the offensive 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.240 rookie of the year. But again, you were one of 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.960 the guys that said, he's he's going to be a star, 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.200 Like there's no doubt the sizes in an issue, He's 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.639 got the arm strength, and obviously his athletic ability was 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.520 not a question. But why were you so on top 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.560 of it? Do you think when he came out. I 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.200 just think he's as remarkable and athletes you've ever seen 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.840 in professional sports. I mean, and I think the proofs 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.520 in the pudding. I believe the status, and please correct 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.160 me if I'm wrong day, because you know I'm wrong 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.840 a lot, but I believe the status. We've never we've 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.960 never had another player be selected in the first round 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.919 of two of the major you know, five sports in 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.840 multiple sports, and he was a top ten pick nine 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.680 baseball at number one in football. If that doesn't help 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:08.080 illustrate just the god given abilities he has, I don't 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.480 know what does. I also take you back through when 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.080 he was at Alan High School and my grandfather, I 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.800 don't forget I came back. I think I was with 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.239 the Bears, and I came home at one point and 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.080 was in the offseason right after the year, and got 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.800 back and we were having dinner with my grandparents and 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.000 my grandpa he had always watched the Texas high school 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.480 football state championships because it'd be on like local TV. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.880 And he's like telling me about this kid from Allen, Texas. 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.280 And you know, my grandfather, not that he's an NFL scout, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.480 but he's been watching football for a long time, and 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.280 he was telling me about this this little guy from Allen, Texas, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.040 and he told me he's the most unbelievable player I've 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.840 ever seen. And we all know he went forty three 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.600 and in Texas High School, which some of the best 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.199 high school football you will find anywhere, and he's an 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.000 absolute legend. And then I got a chance to see 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:04.399 him firsthand right there, Norman, as you're alluded to, and 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.840 I was I just marvel at his talent, at his acceleration, 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.640 at his ability to feel pressure. And then you see 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.040 the ball come out of his arm, and he's got 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.800 an absolute cannon for a guy his size, and so 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.880 I just, you know, I just always I just always 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.760 trust it. Man. This is a guy that if I'm 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.680 on the other side of the ball, I don't want 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.080 to see him. He scares the heck out of the day. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.320 And not many things scare me, but a guy like him, 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:42.359 who can do what he does with his mobility so 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.680 tough to to be able to confine in a tight space, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.840 and then you know, at any moment's notice can really 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.879 throw it from any arm animal on an absolute rope 0:20:55.280 --> 0:21:01.160 wherever he wants. That's scary, and so I just I didn't. 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.320 I didn't never concern myself with this guide. It's fascinating 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.000 that I start with my advice for the defensive lineman 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.879 his film study, and we all know the whole situation 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.720 that was in the contract. I never heard that about 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.159 him at Oklahoma like that was. I don't want to 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.920 say it's news to me, but I never heard anybody 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:28.080 say that he's not dialed in, he's not focused, he's 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.320 not putting an extra work aside from the field. So 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.800 that was a bit of a new element to kind 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.760 of see. I'll just say this, I truly believe. And 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.600 when you look at how quickly he's been able to 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.200 translate his game from college to the NFL, we see 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.800 all the things I've described. You Cardinal fans, they see it. 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.680 You see it, Dave. He can do things that very 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.000 few people on the planet can do with the quarterback spot. 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.040 My hope for him is that regardless if the clause 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.720 is in the contract not in the contract. To me, 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.520 it doesn't matter. The reality is he has a chance 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.719 to be a special player for a long time. He 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.000 has the chance to be a top five quarterback end 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.840 this league. I believe he's still right there is a 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.320 fringe top ten guy. I think he's a top five 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.159 quarterback now. He's still very young, and he still has 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:23.919 a lot to learn. And my hope is, at the 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:28.880