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Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals announcer Dave Pash.

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is Dusty Dvoricek, my partner on

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Speaker 1: ESPN ABC College Football Broadcast. Dusty also hosts a morning

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Speaker 1: radio show on sirius XM ESPNU Radio with Danny Cannell.

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Speaker 1: It's called Dusty and Danny in the Morning. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk some college football breakdown some of the teams

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Speaker 1: that Dusty thinks could make the college football playoff. Also

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Speaker 1: get his thoughts on college football realignment. We'll talk NFL,

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Speaker 1: specifically the Arizona Cardinals. Dusty has a unique connection to

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Speaker 1: several players on the Cardinals, particularly and most importantly Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: who played at Oklahoma where Dusty played, and Dusty currently

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Speaker 1: lives in Norman, so he's very close to the situation

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Speaker 1: there with Kyler and also Hollywood Brown and gives us

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Speaker 1: his thoughts and what Cardinal fans can expect from that

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Speaker 1: see if it's a rep a case, but they're able

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Speaker 1: to do it. Oklahoma, I mean is named Hollywood for

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Speaker 1: a reason. It's life camera action when mister Brown and

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Speaker 1: mister Murray on the field together. We'll also discuss how

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Speaker 1: Dusty almost became a professional wrestler, and how one of

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Speaker 1: Next step, All right, let's talk some Cardinals, some college football,

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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more with ESPN ABC broadcaster Dusty Divorceeck. So, Dusty,

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Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, Cliff Kingsbury was in here

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Speaker 1: doing the podcast and he said, Hey, I saw your boy, Dusty.

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Speaker 1: I was walking by the TV and he's on Big

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Speaker 1: twelve Media Day on ESPN, And the first thing he

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Speaker 1: said to me, Dusty said, man, I still have nightmares

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Speaker 1: about that guy. But then he said, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's scarier the memories of him with the long hair

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Speaker 1: coming at me and hitting me square in the back

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Speaker 1: or the fact that now he's all clean cut like

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Speaker 1: it was. So it's so good. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of Cliff. You know, we go way back,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you I enjoyed getting a chance

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Speaker 1: to play against him, but I really enjoyed in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two and I had a chance to sack him.

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Speaker 1: Now was but twice in the same game, but he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a great player for them. And yes, my

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Speaker 1: look is probably lightly different, as you know, partner, a

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Speaker 1: little bit more cleaned up, but I'm more trimmed up

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Speaker 1: and long hair has been cut. About fifty to sixty

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Speaker 1: look good. Then next to you up in the boot.

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Speaker 1: So times they have a change. But man, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: Cliff saying that. I definitely definitely had some battles back

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Speaker 1: in the day when he was running that red rid offense. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think he still mad at us because we did

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Speaker 1: both the Texas and Oklahoma Texas Tech Games last year.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the combined score, but it was like

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Speaker 1: Speaking of hair, so one of your best friends is

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Speaker 1: Brian Urlaker. And it's funny, man, every time I go

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Speaker 1: into Chicago, they're billboards everywhere, and you know, for O'Hare Airport,

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Speaker 1: they play on the hair so it's spelled differently and

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Speaker 1: I told Ron Wolfley, who I worked the Cardinal Games with,

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Speaker 1: if I grow it out at all, it looks terrible.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. Man, I feel like now I'm fifty.

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Speaker 1: completely the background for Dusty to Vorchek. You were a

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Speaker 1: I've had so many people on this pod, Dusty, that

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Speaker 1: are connected to the two thousand and six Monday Night

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Speaker 1: football game, which we fondly here called the Monday Night Meltdown.

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Speaker 1: don't know, Dave how we found a way to win

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Speaker 1: as you know, and we've had long, lengthy conversations with you,

430
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Speaker 1: me and other members of our crew, and I am

431
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: team Kyler through and through. I do believe if he

432
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: fully puts that aspect of his game with the guy's

433
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: given ability, the sky's the limit for him, and the

434
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: sky's the limit for the sazon of the Cardinals team.

435
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: Moving forward, another guy that you know well is Marquis Brown.

436
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: And when Cliff was on the podcast a few weeks ago,

437
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: of all the things he said, what stood out to

438
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: me Dusty the most was And as you know, Cliff

439
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: and Lincoln Riley are very close. He said, Lincoln told

440
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: him Marcus Brown's the best practice player he's ever seen.

441
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you read a lot of those practices.

442
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw a lot of Marquis Brown. He

443
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: and Kyler are best friends. What do Cardinal fans have

444
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: to look forward to with Hollywood and the connection with Kyler, Well,

445
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of trust. First of all,

446
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: like you said, that connection is very real. They trust

447
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: each other immensely. I think just from a timing perspective,

448
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: they're going to be about as Valvin as anybody. They

449
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: had unbelievable report together at Oklahoma. You know, Hollywood is

450
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: a great practice player. Like he puts in the work.

451
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's very evident he has worked his tail off.

452
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: He gets to where he is at this point in

453
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: his career to morph himself into a first round pick.

454
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, his top end speed is clearly there. I

455
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: think he tracks the football very very well. He's tough

456
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: to deal with and type spaces, and I'm fascinating to

457
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: see exactly, you know, how Cliff gets him involved and

458
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: what his role is going to be. You know, he's

459
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: tough to deal with a man to man coverage. You know,

460
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: it's just a very difficult guy to be able to

461
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: run with. And I think you can move them around

462
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: a little bit at wide receiver and play him in

463
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: different spots. You know, clearly this is a guy that

464
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: Tyler I'm sure wanted to get in Arizona, and you

465
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: know the fact that there is that trust, there is

466
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: that chemistry, there is that history together. I can't wait

467
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: to see if they can replicate what they're able to

468
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: do it Oklahoma. You know, Marquiss he had a foot

469
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: at the end of his career at Oklahoma the league.

470
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: It forced him to miss that playoff game against Alabama

471
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: that year. So it was unfortunate that we couldn't get

472
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: a you know, the real Marquis Brown that final time

473
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Speaker 1: out there with Tyler Murray in the postseason. And I'm

474
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm excited that they get a chance to reunite and

475
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: rekindle what was just an unbelievable connection between those two. So,

476
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's his name's Hollywood for a reason, and

477
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: I know that he hails from that part of Florida.

478
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: But it's life camera action when when mister Brown and

479
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: mister Murray on the field together. So put me in

480
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the camp that can't wait to see exactly what it

481
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: looks like in the NFL. And I would imagine Cliffs

482
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: is excited about different ways he's going to utilize him

483
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: and shot it and probably some of the matchups he's

484
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: going to be able to create. I didn't realize until

485
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: I started working with you last year just how many

486
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: people you know we've already talked about, Uh you're you know,

487
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: Brian or Lacker being one of your best friends. And

488
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Casper, another guy, former Cardinal. His son Kyler is

489
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: at Oregon, right, he was one of the top recruits

490
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: in the country. That's absolutely right. And and David, you know,

491
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: I did call that area home for about six months.

492
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: It was a brief day, but we moved out to

493
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: the Maricopa County area a few years ago, and I

494
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: got to be really good friends with Kevin Casper, and well,

495
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: he loves the Arizona Cardinals and his time there. It

496
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: brought him to the family back to that area. And

497
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, his son is one of the top receivers

498
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: coming out. He's up at Oregon. Now Kyler is anticipate,

499
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: it's going to do really good things. And you know,

500
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: the one thing about Kevin and I'm sure I don't

501
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: know how much Cardinals fans do this at the time,

502
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: but you want to talk about work ethic. I've seen

503
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: still at this point in his life, and he's probably

504
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: at about point two percent body fat. I mean, he

505
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: is chiseled from granite. But you know, he works about

506
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: as hard as anybody I've ever been around. It's why

507
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: he's able to have a nice career in the National

508
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: Football League from being a walk on at Iowa, I

509
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: think carving out seven or eight years professionally. His sons

510
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: are the exact same way, and I've had a chance

511
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: to watch them, you know firsthand, the way they work,

512
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: that they put in and that's just a It's a

513
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: great family and I'm fired up and excited about what

514
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: he potentially has moving for it. And I'll tell you

515
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: this one thing. I didn't realize that area, you know,

516
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: the Gilbert Chandler temptee, just that whole kind of area

517
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: that you live in and a lot of Cardinals fans

518
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: live in the amount of college talent that's coming out

519
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: of those areas right now is immense. I mean every year,

520
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: I feel like you see more and more and more

521
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot of it. I think, you know how to

522
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: former professional athletes moving out there because it's such a

523
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: great place to call home. But that's one thing that

524
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: I did not realize probably prior to the last three

525
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: or four years, and I had a chance to go

526
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: out there and now pay a little bit closer attention.

527
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: But that has become a hotbed for a lot of different,

528
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, fantastic high school players coming out and turned

529
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: into some of the top college recruits here in year out.

530
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, Kevin Casper and his son Kyler Casper definitely

531
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: a name to keep an eye on moving forward here

532
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: this upcoming college football season the years to come. Yeah,

533
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: we saw Kevin at they had this back together Saturday

534
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: for the first practice and there were a lot of

535
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Cardinal alumni that were there and Kevin was there, and

536
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: you're right, he looks like he's twenty three years old.

537
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting too. You brought up the high

538
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: school football and how good high school football is in

539
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: this area, Kyle Van and Bosho does some broadcasting stuff

540
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. Now he's an assistant coach at a

541
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: high school here locally, and he was saying the same thing,

542
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: how many great players there are in this area, and

543
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: you know it's ever expanding. You were out here for

544
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and so just a larger pool of

545
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: great players to be able to play d One. Another

546
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: guy that you're close with is Jim Ross. And I'm

547
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: curious is because I know you were recruited. Was it

548
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: coming out of Oklahoma to become a professional wrestler And

549
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: was it Jim Ross that recruited you? Yes? So Jr.

550
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: You know, legend in the wrestling world, famous for the

551
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: infamous black hat, black cowboy hat that he wears. He

552
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: is a major Oklahoma fan. And Jim actually he still

553
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: keeps the House series also down in Jacksonville now with

554
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the new aw But he him and his wife lived

555
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: here in Norman and he would always be on the

556
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: sideline at home of games, him and Toby Keith of

557
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: all people. And you know, I don't don't know if

558
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I should say this, but I'll say it to you

559
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: since I'm on the Pott the past pot but whenever

560
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: we'd be in blowouts, we you know, we get to

561
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: come out of game and we'd stand down there, and

562
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: I got to know Toby Keith and I got to

563
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: know Jim Ross really well. So a relationship formed when

564
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: I was still in college. And I don't know if

565
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a picture of me or not, but

566
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: for people that don't know, I used to weigh about

567
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: three hundred five pounds. I had bleached blonde hair down

568
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the middle of my back. I wore wore paint like

569
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Warrior on my face. I got tattoos on

570
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: my back, in my arms and my shoulder, so I

571
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: looked like I got a cast member out of the

572
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: professional wrestling did. And I grew up in high school

573
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. I was a big as a kid. I

574
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: was a big wrestling fan. And so like when I

575
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: first started chanting to meet Jim Ross, Wow, it's incredible.

576
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Then I just got to know him. He's got to

577
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: be a friend. And he always kind of said like,

578
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: hey man, you know, we'd love to have you, you know,

579
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: if you'd like. And so he used to always have

580
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: these conversations when I was still incompetence, and you know,

581
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: as it got closer and closer to the end of

582
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: my playing days in college, it felt and it seemed

583
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: like I was gonna have an opportunity the NFL, and

584
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: it's like, I can't pass on this opportunity. But you

585
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: never know, maybe after I'm done playing, potentially I could.

586
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: I could give that a try. Well, since I've passed.

587
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: My roommate at the time was a guy named Jay

588
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Kagar or his wrestling name became Jack Swagger, And so

589
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't me it got the wrestling dude. It was

590
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: my roommate who was also a defensive lineman who had

591
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: a wrestling background. He's actually the guy who introduced me

592
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: to my wife from little Old Perry, Oklahoma. Instead of

593
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Me saying yes to Jim, it was Jake that did.

594
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: And Jake went on to have a great career, was

595
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: actually a champ, you know, world champion at one point,

596
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: and the w W under Jack Swagger. He is still

597
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: actually wrestling in the AW. So when my football playing

598
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: days were over, days they were over because my body

599
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: was broke down and beat up. I had had two

600
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: torn acls, I had had two roughs and biceps ten

601
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: that I had to shoulder surgery had a foot surgery

602
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: and I was coming off another banged up knee from

603
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: my last year in the UFL. So there was a

604
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: conversation between me and Jim, but it was a very

605
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: short and quick one. The body it was tapping out already.

606
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: There was no way I was stepping foot in the ring.

607
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: But every now and again, Dave, I do think about

608
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: what might have been, what might have been the persona

609
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: of Dustin of Vorchek if he would have said yes

610
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: to Jim Ross and he would have stepped foot in

611
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: that ring. I don't know exactly what that would have

612
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: looked or said, I'm like, but it's fun to think about.

613
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: I can tell you that what would you would you

614
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: have changed your name? Because there are two former Cardinals

615
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: who are in professional wrestling, uh Dean Muttati. I don't

616
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: think he played a lot, but he went by the

617
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: name of Mojoe Rawley and then Tom Pestock, who I

618
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: remember in training camp fighting. I can't remember who he fought,

619
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: but he got in a fight and nobody wanted any

620
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: part of him because he was a great boxer. Uh

621
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: he is. He goes by Baron Corbin. I don't know

622
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: if these names are familiar to you. But would you

623
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: have change your name at all? I would have done

624
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: whatever they told me too. You know, I grew up

625
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: an Arnold fan. You know there was a Conan, the Barbarian,

626
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: the Destroyer. I always thought Dusty's a destroyer. I would

627
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: have liked to keep part of it. I think that

628
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: would have fit me very well. Was where I was,

629
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, come out of college, or where I was

630
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: when I was finishing up my plane? Care? What do

631
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: you think that that? Yeah? That's good. I like that

632
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: because I mean, like hul Cogan's name is like a

633
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean Dusty. You keep Dusty like hul Cogan, I

634
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: think totally changed his name. I can't remember what it is.

635
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: But then you had like mister wonderful Paul Orndorf if

636
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was his real name, he

637
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: just added it Rowdy Roddy Piper used to wear the kilt.

638
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Would you have had like a well, you couldn't steal

639
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: that and wear a kilt? Would you have had like

640
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: a an outfit that would coincide with the name appropriately

641
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: Dusty to destroyer? I think so? You know, as I

642
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: think about it, you know we could have gone so

643
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: you can't go Dusty Rhodes, Dusty Trails, dusty bottoms, but

644
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Dusty is a destroyer. Yeah, I mean I always I

645
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: always really like UM. I always really liked um. You

646
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: know the various guys. I mean, face paint would have

647
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: happened then something that I was a part of the

648
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: Bushwhackers back in the day and they kind of did there,

649
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, up and down thing. Um. I don't. I

650
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what my outfull would have been, Dave,

651
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I didn't get that far down the line. But I'll

652
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: tell you what, You've got a creative mind. I mean,

653
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: you can you can gladly put me something together if

654
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: you want to be you know, I'm only I'm not

655
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: forty yet, so I could always make a comeback potentially,

656
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and if you're able to put the right outfit together,

657
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: that might finally give me the final push that I

658
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: need to go over the top. I definitely don't think

659
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: I would have been one and like the Spandex underwear,

660
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: like I envisioned me more something in like a long

661
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: pant with a boot, So I think probably something in

662
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: that genre. You know, if I could have worn some

663
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: some football pads out there that I took off before

664
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: we actually started. I think that would have suited me

665
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: just fine. I mean, I'm a I'm a nose tackle

666
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: at heart. I'm a nose tackle threw and threw. I

667
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: would have had to utilize that some way. Uh. You

668
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: know Goldberg, he had, you know, his great move, his

669
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: great finishing move I think was the spear where you

670
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: essentially just gave that unbelievable shoulder and it was basically

671
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: a form tackle. I would have had to incorporate something

672
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: with football as my backdrop into my character, Dusty, to

673
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: destroy your no question. Yeah, who knows, man, you could

674
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: have been the rock, you know, former player at Miami.

675
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: We've already gone way over the time that we were

676
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: supposed to have you. But I do have a couple

677
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: more and I want to get to college football. But

678
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Dusty, you finished up playing professional football

679
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: in the UFL, And right now there are two other

680
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: professional leagues other than the NFL. You have the USFL

681
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: and then the XFL is starting back up, and your

682
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: good friend and former coach Bob Stoops is one of

683
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: the head coaches in the XFL. Can these other leagues succeed?

684
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: Can they survive? And thrive in your opinion, I hope so. So.

685
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: I played in the UFL and it was it was

686
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: a fascinating league. It was a it was a reality check.

687
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. You go from being at

688
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: Hollis Hall on playing the Soldier field to you know,

689
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: your locker as a piece of tape on a wall

690
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: and a chair, like it's a reality check. But it

691
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: was really good football. Like that's the thing that stuck

692
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: out to me. You know, we had great coaches. Now,

693
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Dennis Green was in our league. He coached the California

694
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: team and Dante Culpepper was their quarterback. Marty Schottenheimer coach

695
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: of Virginia team, and I believe on that staff, Jay

696
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: Gruden was the offensive coordinator, Jim has I think was

697
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. Jim Fossil was the head coach of

698
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: the Vegas team. Like we and it was real football

699
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: with real players. You know, I played with guys that

700
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, we're former All pros, and you know, a

701
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: mind Green was in our backfield. So it was like

702
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: made me really lies. Like, as you know, David, you've

703
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: been around the NFL for a long time. There's good

704
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: football players that don't make a fifty three for whatever reason.

705
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it's where they're out in their career, maybe it's

706
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: a contract situation. But there's a lot of really good

707
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: players that are fringe guys that don't make it. There's

708
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot of young players that maybe just don't get

709
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: that real opportunity. You know, they get overlooked through the

710
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: draft and an undrafted free agent and they go to

711
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: a camp and they may do a couple of good things,

712
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: but it's just on the cards, you know, they just

713
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: they're not able to make the fifty three, they can't

714
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: make the practice squad, and then they're done. I love

715
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: I really appreciated the fact that that league at least

716
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: off for another opportunity. Now, I mean full disclosure. I

717
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: was able to get my work really hard, is able

718
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: to get my business degree from Oklahoma. I knew football

719
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be forever, but I thought I could

720
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: still play, and that gave me the opportunity to see

721
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: if I could still go out there and do it.

722
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: And though I didn't get picked up for many NFL teams,

723
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: several of my teammates did. And it gave a couple

724
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: of guys that are still playing opportunities that they would

725
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: have never had had that league not been around, so

726
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: you know the financial side of it, and the league

727
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: ultimately folded the year after I left. I played in

728
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: their two years and body just completely gave out and

729
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: I was done. But you know, I do think there's

730
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: a place for it. You know, this USFL, the way

731
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: they did it this year, having all the games in Birmingham,

732
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't like that. The one thing I appreciate, I

733
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: played Omall and we packed out Rosenblatt. We we have

734
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: because I played in the last year Rosenblatt. In the

735
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: first year t Americate, we had sellouts. Like the town

736
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: of Omall. The city of Omall fully embraced it. They

737
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: were all in. It was good environment, It's great, it's

738
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: real football, and I really, I mean, I enjoyed it.

739
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I really really appreciated my time in that league, and

740
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: I appreciated the fact that it was at least an opportunity.

741
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: And I do think though that having a centralized hub,

742
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: without having true home field advantages, you know, without having

743
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: places where fans can get behind something, I think it

744
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: makes it difficult because atmosphere matters. So I can't say

745
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect model. I'm intrigued at the XFL.

746
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: I think the Rock is a very smart, business savvy guy.

747
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: I hope they're able to sell it and it's able

748
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: to in some way grab holds. I don't think that

749
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: we have to have more football in this country, but

750
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I do think there's a place for it if it

751
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: can be marketed and put in the right spots. And

752
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: the biggest reason I'm an advocate is because I think

753
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: it creates opportunities for a lot of guys that if

754
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: we don't have these leagues, they're just not there. And

755
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm all about opportunity, and you know, the more we

756
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: can get to that, I think the better. So I'm

757
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: rooting for it to work. Obviously, my former right coach

758
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: and the man that I love, and Bob Stubs, you know,

759
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go full blown into coaching, but

760
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: he wants to dip his toe back in the water

761
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: in this league, and I'll be rooting for him, and

762
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for all these guys. I'd love it if

763
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: they could get the right management, the right plan in

764
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: place for its work. It felt like the XFL last

765
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: time I had a chance, then COVID hit and erect

766
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: everything right, So we'll see now if the Rocks and

767
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: can reboot this thing and get it going. I can't

768
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: sider and say with conviction, yes it's one hundred percent

769
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: go to work, but I feel that there's a place

770
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: for it. It serves a purpose, and personally, I'll be

771
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: one that hopes it to see. Along with being one

772
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: of the top college football analysts on ESPN and ABCU,

773
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: host a daily morning college football show, Dusty and Danny

774
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: in the Morning, Sirius XM, ESPN you radio, so you

775
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: are as dialed in on college football as anybody, and

776
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have talked a lot about this.

777
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 1: I was shocked when and I'm close to it because

778
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I do you know, a ton of Pack twelve basketball

779
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: for ESPN. I was shocked when UCLA and USC announced

780
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: that they were leaving for the Big Ten and just

781
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: thinking about how long it's going to take the equipment

782
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: truck to get from Los Angeles to Rutgers. You know,

783
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: people forget that it's not just about the players, it's

784
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: they've got to get equipment there and it can't all

785
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: go on the plane. Eventually, how many conferences do you

786
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: think we'll have? I guess what I'm asking is, we

787
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: know we're not done with realignment. Where does this end

788
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: up ultimately two, three, five years from now. It's a

789
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: fascinating question, and it's a million dollar question. And to

790
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: be completely honest, I don't know if anyone those days.

791
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: I can give you a couple of thoughts. I think

792
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that it's set up in its

793
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: similar to the National Football League and then it's a

794
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Big Ten the SEC. Where does that stop you from

795
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: major college football? And then maybe next year down you know,

796
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: maybe it splits off and it's kind of like a

797
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Division two if you will, and they're competing for a

798
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: different national championship. You know, it would make sense. I mean,

799
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: these are two mega leagues for the two biggest bullish

800
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: brands out there. And if there was essentially like a

801
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: North and a South, right you had your AFC, your NFC,

802
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: and you kind of already got a lines are on

803
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: the sand. Foxes is pretty much embedded there with the

804
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: Big Ten, and espn is is very much in business

805
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: with the SEC. I could see that happening. Ultimately. Does

806
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Greg Sanky Commissioner the SEC, Kevin Warren Commissioner the Big Ten,

807
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: do they want to go that route because I think

808
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: they hold most of the cards. If they want to

809
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: split off and form their own thing, they can do it.

810
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: There's no doubt that the money is there, the interest

811
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: would be there, the matchups would be phenomenal. Like there's

812
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: a lot about that that you're life man, that it's

813
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: basically become the NFL life And where does it stop?

814
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, currently each of those leagues has sixteen sixteen

815
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: and sixteen thirty two. Sounds very familiar, but there's a

816
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of marquee brands Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Oregon, Washington,

817
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: you know even more that I would say Oklahoma State,

818
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: and what happens with those teams. So if we were

819
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: to go to that two league system, if Sankey and

820
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: warren't decide this is the direction we want to go,

821
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: this is where we're going to house our conferences. You know,

822
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: how many more do they add? Is it twenty a

823
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: league and they get to forty teams? You know, I've

824
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: talked for a lot of college football coaches and I've

825
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: heard a lot of them say they think it heading

826
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: to two super conferences? Is that the case? I don't know.

827
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: I could also see it potentially, you know, going to

828
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: four and maybe you know, the Act twelve. We'll see

829
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: if if the Big Ten decide k we want Oregon

830
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: and Washington, you know, what happens to the rest of

831
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: that league. There's been a lot of rumors about but

832
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: since the Arizona schools, as well as Utah and Colorado

833
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: joining in the Big Twelve. At some point, you know,

834
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's a real wild card in this. You know,

835
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: do they stay independent, they may join a league. There's

836
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: so many questions, and we really don't know. Personally, I'm

837
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: a bit of a traditional I don't want to see

838
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these other schools just completely go to

839
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: the wayside and be eradicated from major college football. I

840
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: grew up in Big twelve country day. I think about

841
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: Kansas State and those fans in Manhattan. I think about

842
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Iowa State, those fans and names Iowa, you know. I

843
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: think about some of these other schools, some of these

844
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: other programs that if the music stops and they don't

845
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: have a home, what becomes of them, what becomes of

846
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: their athletic depart I think about a Luke Fickle at

847
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: Cincinnati who they've worked so hard to get to the

848
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: Big twelve right to get over this stigma of being

849
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: a group of five school and they finally get there,

850
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: and he sticks around for it. And then if they're

851
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: not even a part of the equation for major college

852
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: football competing for championships, you know that rubs me the

853
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: wrong way. You and I hate to dance around the question,

854
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: but the reality is there's so many scenarios that could

855
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: play out. I don't know exactly what's direction it goes,

856
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: but it does feel like the Big Ten in the SEC,

857
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: they hold the cards and they're going to be the

858
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: one to make the decision. Is this a two team

859
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: major college football league? Is this a multiple you know,

860
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: college football league? Ultimately, I think that answer resides with

861
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren and Greg Sankey, and I think if you

862
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: put a truth sermon them, they don't fully know exactly

863
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: what that's going to be yet. Kevin Warren the commissioner

864
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: or the Big Ten, Greg Sankey commissioner or the SEC.

865
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you danced around it. You gave an

866
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: honest answer. No one knows, but it does feel like

867
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: we are far from over. I'm sure the contracts for

868
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the conferences that currently are in existence.

869
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: The TV contracts could determine eventually where we land, but

870
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: one thing is for certain, We're not done. Last question, dust,

871
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've given your playoff predictions for

872
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: college football yet. We will have Clemson Labor Day night.

873
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: We're doing the Chick fil A kickoff game on ESPN.

874
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: It's an eight Eastern kick. You me Tom Luganville down

875
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: on the field as the field analysts. That's our Week

876
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: one assignment. And a lot of people have Clemson back

877
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff. And it may not be

878
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: because Djula is the quarterback. Maybe it's Kad Klubnick, who,

879
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence, was a big time recruit, may end

880
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: up playing a lot, maybe even starting early on, maybe

881
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: even starting Week one. We don't know yet. But do

882
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: you see Clemson climbing back into the college football Playoff?

883
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: And who are some of the other teams to watch?

884
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: Alabama is going to be scary good, scary good. They

885
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: might have the two best players in the country. For

886
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, if you haven't seen Will Anderson, thirty one,

887
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: the outside stand up backer for them, play, you need

888
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: to watch him. He's as good a defensive players I've

889
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: seen a long time, and they've got a young kid,

890
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner opposite him, Houston Satchel. That defense is going

891
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: to be Georgia from last year esque. And then you've

892
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: got you've got the raigning Heisman Trophy winner coming back.

893
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: On offense, it's gonna be really good Ohio State's offense. Wow.

894
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud, trevieon Henderson, You and I Dave had

895
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: a chance to call one of their games last year.

896
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: They are They are special. Jasin Smith and Jigbus a

897
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: receiver to keep your eye on. Marvin Harrison Junior is

898
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: a name to watch out for, someone that's going to

899
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: be an emerging star this year in college football. And

900
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: they just had a new defensive coordinator from Oklahoma State

901
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: and Jim Knowles. They've got real talent up front. Jack

902
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: Sawyer's a young tenom defensive end that going into a

903
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: second year in college he's probably got a chance to

904
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: really break out. Those are the two best teams in

905
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: the country heading into the year. I do, I mean,

906
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how I do. I don't like to

907
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: be Chalky Dave, but I don't know how you don't

908
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: pick those two teams to win their leagues and being

909
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: the playoff. I do think Clemson gets back. I do

910
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: think Clemson their defense is going to be special, and

911
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: that's without their defensive coordinator, my former defensive coordinator who's

912
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: now the head coach at Oklahoma and bring ventibles. But

913
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: they've got a guy in Brian Percy who missed all

914
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: of the last year at an injury, one of the

915
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: outstanding defensive tackles in the country, Models Murphy. You know,

916
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: they've got speed at linebacker, they got talent in the secondary.

917
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: They've got a running back at Will Shipley who's an

918
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: absolute horse in the back. So they got big, long,

919
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: athletic wide receivers. I think their offensive line is going

920
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: to be better. The question is, like you kind of

921
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: laid it up. Who's gonna be playing quarterback? DJ and

922
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: Louis Lay. I feel like we've heard nothing but confident

923
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: talk at a Davos Sweeney at to most people around Clemson.

924
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: I think the leash is going to be short. You know,

925
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: we did their bowl game against Tylo State, Dave they

926
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: liked this Kate Plusna kid and all reports that I've

927
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: heard from spring and fall camp. He's just to come

928
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: in and back it up and the last time we

929
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: saw a quarterback situation where Dabo made the move to

930
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: a true freshman wasn't that long ago. As Trevor Lawrence,

931
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: they won a national championship. They've got the pieces in

932
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: place to not just win the acc but makes the

933
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: noise in the playoffs. If they get that position right,

934
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the more fascinating stories in

935
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: all of college football. And we get a chance to

936
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: start to tell that story in Week one there in

937
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: Atlanta and the chick toil a kickoff against Georgia Tech.

938
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: So if they get that position right, they're another team

939
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: that should be put right there in a similar conversation

940
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: as Ohio State in Alabama. You know, I was a

941
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: Georgia fan last year, and I think they got a

942
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: lot coming back. I'm not writing them off, but they

943
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: got to replace five first round picks on the defensive side,

944
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: and they got great players from back Jalen Carter, Nolan

945
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: Smith or a couple and along that front seven. But

946
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: I think they take a step back to the team

947
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: that I've got my eye on, Dave is the Utah youth.

948
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a sleeper, if you didn't

949
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: call him a sleeper the Rainy packtwel champion. They bring

950
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: their quarterback back, they bring a lot of key pieces.

951
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: They got replace the linebacker and Devin Lloyd sensational. But

952
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: I like Kyle Whittingham the head coach. I like the toughness,

953
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: sea and skills, the brand of football that he plays

954
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: and coaches, the lineup and the hitcher right in the

955
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: mouth along the line of scrimmage. I got Utah as

956
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: a team that potentially gets to the playoff, and he

957
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: gets the Pack twelve back to some relevancy. I know

958
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: the spotlight and all the talk is on the team

959
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: out in LA with USC and rightfully so. Lincoln Riley's

960
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: a heck of a coach, and he's got some marquee players.

961
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: But I've got Utah as a team that could potentially

962
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: cracked that college football playoff that I would say aren't

963
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: on a lot of people's top four, but they're likely

964
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: going to be on mine before the season starts. Listen, Dusty,

965
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: great stuff man. Appreciate the time, and we could have

966
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: probably talked for another hour. A lot of things that

967
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: we definitely could have gotten into, but I feel like

968
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: we covered a ton and maybe We'll save all that

969
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: for part two at some point. Man, I love that

970
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: and just not that I have to tell your listeners.

971
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're loyal Arizona Cardinal fans and they listen

972
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: to you on the radio all the time. But you're

973
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: one of the absolute best, and you're an even better guy.

974
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Phenomenal what you do. You made me better last year.

975
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm fired up. I get a chance to say I

976
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: get to share a boots of you this season. It's

977
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: a pleasure every time we get in there, but I

978
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: actually enjoy It's funny the games are with you. I

979
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: enjoy the pal time, the time we get to hang

980
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: out and just get to know each other, talk about

981
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: our families and just laugh and have fun and try

982
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: to poorly recite James Bond movie. So it's been a

983
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: pleasure of year one with a blast, as was this interview.

984
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: But I'm really looking forward to your two partners. Yeah.

985
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: For people that don't know, when you work with the

986
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: same crew, you fly in for a Saturday game on Thursday,

987
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're not leaving til Sunday, so

988
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: you're it basically becomes like your second family. You're with

989
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: him week after week, and one of the things we

990
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: did last year, because Dusty had not seen any of

991
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: the Daniel Craig James Bond movies, we I think took

992
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: like three or four weeks in a row and then

993
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: we watched all of them, and then we went and

994
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: saw No Time to Die. And I think we're both

995
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: convinced that James Bond is still alive somewhere. In fact,

996
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: I think I saw him the other day. I still

997
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: can't believe that they did that to them. My wife

998
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: will not watch the movie. She's that upset because she

999
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: knows what happened. A few weeks all right, again, we

1000
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: need a spot or maybe we'll have him spot and

1001
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: we'll have George the Animal Steel as our statistician. Hopefully

1002
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: you won't eat the paper like he ate the turnbuckle

1003
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: back in the day when he was wrestling. No question.

1004
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time today, partner. Love being a part

1005
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: of your fantastic podcast. Thanks brother, appreciate the time. We'll

1006
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: definitely have to do a part two with Dusty at

1007
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: some point because there was so much more that I

1008
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: wanted to get into. But Dusty had some great stuff

1009
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: on his career, how he almost became a professional wrestler.

1010
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: I thought that whole conversation about his connection to Jim

1011
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Ross was fascinating, and then how his teammate, who eventually

1012
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: became Jack Swagger, became a champion. Also, the UFL stuff

1013
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: was really interesting because professional football gets incredible TV ratings.

1014
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: We know that from just seeing how the NFL has

1015
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: exploded over the last two decades, particularly and what that

1016
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: might mean for the USFL, which just finished its league

1017
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: a couple months back, and the XFL, which is restarting

1018
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty three. I thought to the story

1019
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: about sacking Cliff twice and how Cliff remembers and still

1020
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: terrified by Dusty, I felt was good, and obviously just

1021
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: how close he is to Kyler Murray and Marquis Brown,

1022
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: given that they both played at Oklahoma that's where Dusty played,

1023
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: and that he lives in Norman. Some really interesting tidbits

1024
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: there on both guys and what Cardinal fans can expect

1025
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. We are presented by bet MGM,

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Speaker 1: us if there's a guest that you want to hear

1030
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Speaker 1: from in the future. Tell us what you think, give

1031
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: us your thoughts. We'd love to hear from you. Future

1032
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Speaker 1: guests include Buccaneers general manager Jason Light, Marcus Spears from ESPN,

1033
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: as well as CBS broadcaster Charles Davis, and many more

1034
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Speaker 1: to come over the course of two twenty two. You

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Speaker 1: can follow us on Twitter at Pashpod as well. Thanks

1036
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Speaker 1: again to our guest, Dusty Dvorchik. I'm Dave Pash. Thanks

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Speaker 1: again to you for listening to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Dave Pashpod.