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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hi everyone, welcome to the Holy Human. I
Speaker 1: am so very grateful that you have joined me today
Speaker 1: for this episode because I have the chance to connect
Speaker 1: you to a woman who really helped open up a
Speaker 1: whole new world for me, and she helped me begin
Speaker 1: to connect with my intuition and my body on a
Speaker 1: much deeper level than ever before. Ashley Nice is a
Speaker 1: renowned practitioner in the life changing field of breath work.
Speaker 1: And I say life changing because that is how powerful
Speaker 1: this work was for my life. And I'm sincerely excited
Speaker 1: to share her insight with you on today's Holy Human.
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Speaker 1: with me. Hi, my friend, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on this podcast. You were the first person that
Speaker 1: I felt that I needed to have on here because
Speaker 1: you have been so pivotal in my journey of coming
Speaker 1: into my own wholeness, into healing so many parts of myself.
Speaker 1: I don't ever think that I've ever been able to
Speaker 1: tell you how pivotal you have been and how deeply
Speaker 1: I am grateful for the work that we have done together.
Speaker 1: You really are are just a guide for my life.
Speaker 1: So thank you. Thank you for staring up. Just really
Speaker 1: moved just by your vulnerability and your honesty. And it's
Speaker 1: been such a gift for me to be on this
Speaker 1: journey with you, and it's such an honor and I
Speaker 1: just have the most like love and respect for you.
Speaker 1: So I'm thank you. Yeah, it's mutual all the way around.
Speaker 1: And I love this because this is one of the
Speaker 1: first practices I think you ever worked with me. On
Speaker 1: the top was the praise practice, which, first off, how
Speaker 1: how challenging is a praise practice? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: I've run away from it for so long and just
Speaker 1: recently and I've been doing this work now for about
Speaker 1: eight years, like just recently. Can I actually sit within
Speaker 1: a praise practice and take something in from someone which
Speaker 1: is I think really huge? Just say, that's a big growth,
Speaker 1: big big change for me. Why do you think it's
Speaker 1: so hard for us to receive something like that? Goshly,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is such an important question,
Speaker 1: And just as you're talking, I was feeling my own
Speaker 1: sense of just how long I've been in this work
Speaker 1: and how long It's taken me to be able to
Speaker 1: receive the praise as well. And it's just not something
Speaker 1: that comes naturally to me at all, Like my my
Speaker 1: natural tendency is just always deflection. It's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But if you only knew what was really
Speaker 1: happening for me, probably wouldn't want to give me that praise,
Speaker 1: or if you knew about my history, if you knew this,
Speaker 1: And so there's so much of that that comes up.
Speaker 1: I think for all of us, you know, especially given
Speaker 1: our rough childhoods and just all the things that we've
Speaker 1: gone through in life, it just makes it really difficult
Speaker 1: to sit in the vulnerability of actually being seen for
Speaker 1: our wholeness and seen for our goodness. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: so interesting because it's someone can shame us and talk
Speaker 1: down to us, and we're like, oh, we'll take that
Speaker 1: all day long. That feels comfortable, That feels maybe like
Speaker 1: that was thrown at us as children, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: and that that's something that we're easily we can take in.
Speaker 1: But then we talk about praise. It can be so
Speaker 1: vulnerable to have someone see the good in us, which
Speaker 1: is so best ackwards. I just want to say, once again,
Speaker 1: thank you for teaching me that, because you were the
Speaker 1: first person to introduce me to breath work, and that
Speaker 1: was really my entry point on this healing journey. And
Speaker 1: I didn't start with meditation. That wasn't the first thing
Speaker 1: that I gravitated towards. It was I think you and
Speaker 1: your energy, And first off, Instagram kept throwing you up
Speaker 1: in my feed for like five months, and finally I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to call this woman. I don't
Speaker 1: know what she does. I don't know what energy work is,
Speaker 1: I don't know what breath work is, but there's something
Speaker 1: in me and my instinct that wanted to connect with you.
Speaker 1: So just for everyone, if everyone listening has followed me
Speaker 1: on my path, they have heard your name many many times,
Speaker 1: and they've heard me talk about breath work. So I
Speaker 1: just want to introduce people to breath work and what
Speaker 1: that is a little more today. So for someone out
Speaker 1: there who doesn't know what it is, can you explain
Speaker 1: what breath work is? Yes? I can, and it's a
Speaker 1: lot of different things so I think, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: it's a practice of being with yourself. It's a practice
Speaker 1: that allows us to bring our awareness inside to our
Speaker 1: bodies so that we can learn how to regulate, so
Speaker 1: that we can learn how to bring our nervous systems
Speaker 1: from a state of override and stress and sympathetic activation
Speaker 1: to a state of more calm and peace and healing.
Speaker 1: It's also a practice that can be deeply confronting, right
Speaker 1: because for many of us there's a reason why, and
Speaker 1: there's probably many reasons why we don't want to sit
Speaker 1: with ourselves and be with ourselves, and for all that
Speaker 1: complexity and all that richness is there, Ultimately, the breath
Speaker 1: is really a tool and a practice for self healing,
Speaker 1: for embodiment, and for empowerment. We talk about healing a lot.
Speaker 1: This is a big question, but I just want to know,
Speaker 1: from your point of view, what is healing. That's a
Speaker 1: huge question. It is a big question, but it's we
Speaker 1: talk about it all the time, like, oh, healing, and
Speaker 1: I think it's different for everyone. I just wondered what
Speaker 1: that meant to you. It's interestingly, and you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm it's each here that goes by I think my
Speaker 1: understanding of what healing is, and even the way I
Speaker 1: would define it changes. At this point in my life
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting today, I feel like healing looks a
Speaker 1: lot like repair. Healing looks a lot like restoration, right,
Speaker 1: And so when I look at the healing also looks
Speaker 1: a lot like rest. Right. So that kind of slowing down,
Speaker 1: that rest, that repair, all those like regeneration. Those are
Speaker 1: all the words that kind of come to mind, And
Speaker 1: those are the types of practices that I'm really involved
Speaker 1: with right now. And breath work is a huge part
Speaker 1: of that as well. It's an amazing way to kind
Speaker 1: of reset and restore and rebalance. So yeah, that's really
Speaker 1: what healing. It's not. It's not just one word. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of different words, but they all kind of
Speaker 1: mean the same thing to me. I love that. And rest,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Like I think that's so foreign to
Speaker 1: so many of us. I know it's still foreign to me.
Speaker 1: Like I I claim that I'm resting, but I know
Speaker 1: that I'm not. There's still so much doing within my resting.
Speaker 1: You know, some of us think just because I'm laying
Speaker 1: on the couch and working doesn't mean I'm resting. But
Speaker 1: for me, that can feel like resting. It's something that
Speaker 1: we've been taught we have to do, do do so much,
Speaker 1: and we're rest is not something we're worthy of. We're
Speaker 1: talking about worthiness so much. Actually, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: not being able to receive praise, not really being able
Speaker 1: to receive rest, we get down to that core wound
Speaker 1: of what that isn't it's unworthiness? I would say, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that piece? I feel that's
Speaker 1: really accurate because that unworthiness piece is a huge driving
Speaker 1: factor in all of the doing right, and not even
Speaker 1: just doing. It's more than doing. It's all the hustling, right,
Speaker 1: It's the hustle, it's the push, it's all the different ways,
Speaker 1: subtle and not subtle, that we override our bodies to
Speaker 1: get whatever it is done or whatever it is accomplished.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: at what cost? You know? And the rest is so
Speaker 1: huge in that because it is this question of like, oh,
Speaker 1: when we start to kind of go deeper into those
Speaker 1: layers of unworthiness, it's like that question, am I worthy
Speaker 1: of rest? Am I actually worthy of taking really deep
Speaker 1: care of myself? Yeah? And oh my goodness. It's that's
Speaker 1: something that I'm I think we're all coming home to
Speaker 1: is actually self care. And I know that's such a
Speaker 1: buzzword for a lot of people, and some people that
Speaker 1: can mean many different things to a lot of different people.
Speaker 1: But for instance, small things like I'm not allowing myself
Speaker 1: to go to sleep without washing my face. It's little
Speaker 1: tiny things like that for me that I'm really I'm
Speaker 1: putting myself before like all the busy stuff that keeps
Speaker 1: me from the tiny things. And I think that's super
Speaker 1: important when we're coming home to ourselves, to be able
Speaker 1: to come home to those pieces. I think that's so huge.
Speaker 1: And what you're saying resonates for me on so many levels.
Speaker 1: And I found even in these last couple of years,
Speaker 1: you know, my son just turned to and still as
Speaker 1: a relatively new parent to me, they're just these little
Speaker 1: commitments that I make every day to myself, and they're
Speaker 1: so simple these days. It's like all about that back
Speaker 1: to basics, Like am I drinking enough water? Was like
Speaker 1: just so simple When I am not hydrated, like things
Speaker 1: just aren't right, you know. So it's like just these
Speaker 1: simple things. Am I drinking enough water? Am I going
Speaker 1: to commit to drinking water today, and like you said,
Speaker 1: just do myself care things. Wash my face at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, brush my teeth, run a comb
Speaker 1: through my hair, just all those simple things. It's like
Speaker 1: that's so essential, and sometimes those things can just go
Speaker 1: by the wayside when I'm focused on my son or
Speaker 1: like you're saying, I'm focused on these bigger picture of
Speaker 1: things that just need my attention. But I know from
Speaker 1: my experience, if I'm not doing those little things, I
Speaker 1: just get destabilized really quickly, like I need those practices
Speaker 1: to inchor myself well. And I love that those are practices.
Speaker 1: I think when people think of oh, I have to
Speaker 1: commit to a practice, I have to commit to meditation
Speaker 1: practice or breathwork practice, whatever it is, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: feels like it has to be large, like oh, this,
Speaker 1: this is what a practice looks like, when really, when
Speaker 1: we're talking about the commitment, like you're saying to ourselves
Speaker 1: as the ultimate practice, and it can look very different
Speaker 1: for everyone. And I think for me, I know during
Speaker 1: this time, especially because I was meditating and breath working
Speaker 1: and the whole deal for like an hour to an
Speaker 1: hour and a half every day before we went into lockdown,
Speaker 1: and I found myself with all of this time and
Speaker 1: actually not wanting to sit down and do that, because
Speaker 1: obviously there was so much coming up that I was
Speaker 1: wanting to run away from. But then at the same time,
Speaker 1: I started looking at it as it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: look like that. It can look like anything. I can
Speaker 1: give five minutes to that. It doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: all or nothing, thinking the little things, just going outside,
Speaker 1: putting my feet in the grass, whatever it might have been.
Speaker 1: The smaller things became my practices, and I think that's
Speaker 1: important for people when they think of starting a practice,
Speaker 1: or it doesn't have to look big. I love that,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to look like anybody else's either.
Speaker 1: We're inundated with so much imagery of here's what spirituality
Speaker 1: looks like, or here's what breath work looks like, or
Speaker 1: here's what meditation looks like. And like what you're saying
Speaker 1: is so important because it's a daily practice, right, It's
Speaker 1: a daily practice, and so whatever that is, and practice
Speaker 1: can be having a cup of tea just quietly for
Speaker 1: a minute. Practice can be breathing, and that's great, but
Speaker 1: there's so many things that we can do that are
Speaker 1: all inherently about self care and it can all be
Speaker 1: spiritual just depending on our perspective that day. Totally, just
Speaker 1: circling back into breathwork. Breathing is something that we do
Speaker 1: so inherently and so naturally, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: also something that can be the first thing that goes
Speaker 1: when things get stressful, anxiety arises, and it's something that
Speaker 1: we really haven't unless we're guided to focus on our breath.
Speaker 1: It's not something we put our focus on. So can
Speaker 1: you talk to me a little bit about like when
Speaker 1: we're holding our breath, are daily breathing if if we're
Speaker 1: not somewhat focused in that area, like what can happen
Speaker 1: to the body and the mind and through lack of
Speaker 1: air basically Yeah, so a lot of different things can happen,
Speaker 1: and we can get headaches, we can feel not as focused,
Speaker 1: you know, so a big thing that happens when they
Speaker 1: start to intake more oxygen as focused. Which was amazing
Speaker 1: And from doing all this corporate work for so many years,
Speaker 1: the corporations like to see, Okay, what's the metrics here?
Speaker 1: They all like metrics like how can we engage if
Speaker 1: this is really working? Or and on in twenty minutes
Speaker 1: of breathing. Then their employees are going in their focus
Speaker 1: shoots up this huge percentage because they've had a moment
Speaker 1: to actually connect to themselves and get in more open.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, what happens when there's a stressor
Speaker 1: to the nervous system or there's anxiety, the body will contract, right,
Speaker 1: and so in that contraction there's tension, and then often
Speaker 1: in that tension it kind of can go up your
Speaker 1: back into your upper shoulders like traps, neck area, which
Speaker 1: can then lead to tension headaches and things like that,
Speaker 1: or even just kind of general stiffness or soreness in
Speaker 1: the upper part of the body, which is that's also
Speaker 1: my picture. As soon as I get stressed in my back,
Speaker 1: just kind of I've become this turtle in a shell
Speaker 1: and it just gets really hard and rigid. So I know,
Speaker 1: in those moments, oh right, just inhale and just excel
Speaker 1: really slowly and start to let everything kind of soften.
Speaker 1: So those are some of the big things that can happen.
Speaker 1: And also the other thing that can happen in like
Speaker 1: a stress and anxiety breathing pattern is it just starts
Speaker 1: to replicate itself, right and so often you'll hear the phrase,
Speaker 1: and I hear this a lot in the industry. It's like,
Speaker 1: just calm down, right, and well, okay, well, if I could,
Speaker 1: like I totally would, But like, I'm super stressed right now,
Speaker 1: so that's not that actually makes me more anxious, and
Speaker 1: that makes my breath more shallow and more tight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the worst thing you can say to anyone who's
Speaker 1: having any kind of anxieties. Oh, just just calm down,
Speaker 1: just chill out. It's like, well, if I could, yes,
Speaker 1: I would. Well, on that note, let's all take a
Speaker 1: deep breath and we'll be right back with more from
Speaker 1: Ashley Nye's Welcome Back Again, my friends, let's tackle anxiety
Speaker 1: when someone is caught in that anxiety spin out, when
Speaker 1: we all of a sudden can't catch our breath. Like,
Speaker 1: what is the most quote unquote right thing to do?
Speaker 1: I guess it's whatever is right for you, But like,
Speaker 1: what is the most healing thing that we can do
Speaker 1: in that moment when we feel like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I can't catch my breath. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I'm going to answer that with like a couple of
Speaker 1: different suggestions because we're all we all just work so differently.
Speaker 1: Um one thing and then I typically suggest as a
Speaker 1: practice called orienting. So and it doesn't even evolve doing
Speaker 1: anything with their breath. It's literally just looking around your environment,
Speaker 1: whether you're at home, whether you're out and about in
Speaker 1: the world, and just looking and focusing your attention on
Speaker 1: the things that you can see. Right. So, right now
Speaker 1: I'm in my office, what can I see? Okay, I
Speaker 1: can see the window, right, Okay, I can see a lamp.
Speaker 1: I can see the light coming through the window. So
Speaker 1: those types of things, and that will automatically start to
Speaker 1: shift your nervous system from like a more of a
Speaker 1: sympathetic kind of activated state to start to ground bring
Speaker 1: it down. So just slow it down. And then what's
Speaker 1: really cool with an orienting practice that instead of just
Speaker 1: focusing on like okay, now I'm stressed, I've got to
Speaker 1: like somehow figure out how to call my breath down.
Speaker 1: You know, that can also be really difficult too. As
Speaker 1: we start to orient the breath will naturally start to lengthen,
Speaker 1: the exhale will slow, our heart rate will go down.
Speaker 1: And so that's a great practice. Another one that I
Speaker 1: said just is a practice. It's just a really simple
Speaker 1: grounding practice. So just feel your feet on the ground, right,
Speaker 1: just feel your feet. You could press one foot down,
Speaker 1: press another foot down, just really bring your awareness and
Speaker 1: your energy down towards the ground. Another thing you can
Speaker 1: do is if you're sitting in a seat, is just
Speaker 1: feel your butt on the seat. No, oh, okay, my
Speaker 1: butts on the seat. Now there's a little bit of settling.
Speaker 1: And we're not necessarily looking for like, Okay, I feel
Speaker 1: the most relaxive ever felt in my life in this moment. Like,
Speaker 1: that's not the practice that's going to do that necessarily,
Speaker 1: But what we are looking for is just a slight
Speaker 1: shift because once we have that slight shift, then the
Speaker 1: nervous system can start to down regulate and then we
Speaker 1: can start to get those longer exhales that we're looking for.
Speaker 1: I love that because the first thing that people say
Speaker 1: is like, just take a deep breath, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't really get in a deep breath. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so amazing that you explain that, because I think
Speaker 1: that will be helpful to so many people. Is that's
Speaker 1: not the first thing that we should be focusing on.
Speaker 1: If it's the first thing, you know, because we can't
Speaker 1: we can't access that at the moment, so what is accessible.
Speaker 1: You're totally spot on with that, which is exactly why
Speaker 1: I suggested it. And I love what you said because
Speaker 1: that's something that I used to hear before. I you know,
Speaker 1: top breath, where people would say things like we'll just
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and I'm like, I'm literally having
Speaker 1: a panic attack. It's actually not physically possible for me
Speaker 1: to take a deep breath right now, So what are
Speaker 1: some other things that I can do? And it's also
Speaker 1: you know, a way of working with the body that's
Speaker 1: less about going straight into the center of the quote
Speaker 1: unquote problem, and we're kind of working the periphery. So
Speaker 1: instead of going right into the breath and trying to
Speaker 1: get that longer exhale, we're just looking around the room, right,
Speaker 1: So it also takes a pressure off. And for those
Speaker 1: of us, you know, who are like perfectionists or recovering
Speaker 1: perfectionists and like always want to get it right and
Speaker 1: always want to go full forth right into whatever the
Speaker 1: thing is that we're trying to heal or change, it's
Speaker 1: like again, it brings in that softness and that slowness,
Speaker 1: which is teaching us something totally different than what we've
Speaker 1: kind of been addition to practice, Yeah, totally, we've been
Speaker 1: conditioned to attack it. So the first word that came
Speaker 1: into my mind just attack the thing. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that breath work has taught
Speaker 1: me is that softness into the allowance of things, of
Speaker 1: allowing things to arise and allowing the discomfort to be
Speaker 1: in that discomfort. Breath work has helped me to expand
Speaker 1: my container and my ability to sit in the uncomfortable feelings. Um,
Speaker 1: can you speak to that a little bit of how
Speaker 1: breath work can take us on that journey? Yes? And
Speaker 1: I love what you shared because that's been my experience
Speaker 1: as well. It's just this kind of ever widening container
Speaker 1: for being with whatever showing up in that moment, you know,
Speaker 1: or the moment. And for me, so much of the
Speaker 1: breathwork practice is about growing our capacity. Going back to
Speaker 1: the example of that kind of just like highly anxious
Speaker 1: picture or that panic attack, It's like, so much of
Speaker 1: what's happening in that moment is there's this perceived emergency, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, there's an emergency, and you know the
Speaker 1: way that we were brought up was like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: I have to just go in full force and attack
Speaker 1: this and handle this emergency right now. But what often
Speaker 1: happens in that moment is that it's actually the real
Speaker 1: emergency is already over right with, The emergency is past,
Speaker 1: but in that moment, it feels like it's happening now
Speaker 1: because we've been triggered, right, So there's a trigger that
Speaker 1: comes up, and then we have the panic attack and
Speaker 1: are the anxiety, picture, the stress or whatever it is
Speaker 1: that we're trying to change, but we forget that like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, the emergency is over. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: in a moment if you're having a real life or
Speaker 1: death emergency, feel like, of course that's an actual emergency.
Speaker 1: But oftentimes that's not actually what's happening. Right So we're
Speaker 1: just kind of in this imprint from our history. And
Speaker 1: so what breath work really gives us the space to
Speaker 1: do it. It kind of opens up our capacity and
Speaker 1: in working with the imprints from our history, it allows
Speaker 1: us to start to differentiate. And as we start to
Speaker 1: differentiate from our history and kind of unhook from the
Speaker 1: wounds and unhooked from those places that bring us so
Speaker 1: much pain, we can a little space, right and in
Speaker 1: that space, we can be with whatever is happening because
Speaker 1: we know, in that moment, Okay, this is really painful,
Speaker 1: this hurts so bad, and I'm breathing, my butt is
Speaker 1: on this chair and I can look out the window.
Speaker 1: All these things can happen versus before. It's like, the
Speaker 1: pain and the grief can feel so consuming and it
Speaker 1: can just take you down. You know. When I've had
Speaker 1: that experienced, grief has taken me down many times, many times,
Speaker 1: and some of us have to go through that process
Speaker 1: a lot, and grief will definitely take me down again,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm gonna be able to get back up.
Speaker 1: And yeah, grief was something that came up for me
Speaker 1: tremendously when we started working together. My breath work practice
Speaker 1: has shifted and changed so many times, but I feel
Speaker 1: like when we first started diving in, that was so
Speaker 1: much grief. I mean, I feel like that's why at
Speaker 1: that point in my life I was going through so
Speaker 1: much anxiety and depression was because I wasn't facing that grief.
Speaker 1: I also felt like I was going to die if
Speaker 1: I did because it felt so big. And now when
Speaker 1: grief comes up I'm like, oh, I know what that is.
Speaker 1: Now I allow myself space to hold myself in the space.
Speaker 1: But I would have never known how to hold myself
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the practice of breath work, because
Speaker 1: I feel like that's part of what it has, you know,
Speaker 1: as teaching us as we go through breath work practices,
Speaker 1: how to hold ourselves within all of these complex emotions.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. You said it so beautifully. It's how
Speaker 1: to hold ourselves, that's how to grow our capacity, and
Speaker 1: it's just how to like actually be in it, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like what you said, it's like there's so
Speaker 1: much avoidance and there's so much distraction, and and it's
Speaker 1: we don't need to beat ourselves up for that. That's
Speaker 1: totally human, you know. It's like we are human, Like
Speaker 1: we want to feel safe and comfortable, and so often
Speaker 1: our experiences are just really painful and that's hard to
Speaker 1: like sit in that, especially with what you brought up,
Speaker 1: which is I connect as well. It's like that fear
Speaker 1: of like and I have this with the grief, and
Speaker 1: I also have worked really hard over a lot of
Speaker 1: years to overcome my fear of feeling like if I
Speaker 1: say what I need, something bad is going to happen,
Speaker 1: or if I say what I need, you know this
Speaker 1: person is going to leave or whatever the thing is.
Speaker 1: It's like that fear was so gripping, like my throat
Speaker 1: would get so tight and I would just be terrified
Speaker 1: to say what I needed. And that's of course from
Speaker 1: you know, the history that I have. But breathing has
Speaker 1: allowed me the ability to just start to one layer
Speaker 1: at a time feel it, just actually feel it, like
Speaker 1: feel that tension in my throat, feel the pain there,
Speaker 1: feel the fear, and then actually start to metabolize it
Speaker 1: right and digest it. Yeah, as you're saying that my
Speaker 1: throat is getting tight, I feel that so deeply because
Speaker 1: that's something that I think that I've also struggled with
Speaker 1: and still due to be honest, is to say what
Speaker 1: I need. Yeah, I feel I feel that intensely. That's
Speaker 1: what's been so interesting about starting this podcast for me too,
Speaker 1: is I've been so connected to my singing voice, but
Speaker 1: my speaking voice, and to put myself out in the
Speaker 1: world in this way is very activating, like so intensely
Speaker 1: that I'll I'll go into like a free state. Before
Speaker 1: we even got on this call, like my body just
Speaker 1: it's learning and I've I would have never been able
Speaker 1: to do this if I wouldn't have expanded my capacity
Speaker 1: to be with all of those uncomfortable feelings, because I
Speaker 1: would have immediately shut down and deflected and been like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't do that, which, by the way, everybody that's
Speaker 1: listening right now and then knows me it's like you
Speaker 1: did that, sweetheart. You did shut down. It's a defense
Speaker 1: mechanism to shut down and not want to open my
Speaker 1: voice in this way. But I have learned to be
Speaker 1: able to sit with all that comes up, and that
Speaker 1: is so uncomfortable, and god, it's been so uncomfortable. But
Speaker 1: I feel like as I'm starting to do this, like
Speaker 1: the layers of the energy behind you know that that
Speaker 1: kind of grips my throat is starting to dissipate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes we just have to do the
Speaker 1: thing that we're so fearful of to be able to
Speaker 1: start to move through that energetically. I totally agree. And
Speaker 1: there is risk involved. There's risk involved in the vulnerability.
Speaker 1: I think it's burn A Brown says something I'm gonna
Speaker 1: misquote her, but something about like there's no vulnerability without risk.
Speaker 1: That's part of the same soup, right, And so for you, like,
Speaker 1: you've done all this work and you've shown up in
Speaker 1: all these ways, and you've done all this healing and
Speaker 1: processing and being with and just all the feelings, and
Speaker 1: you're ready for this next step, you know, And so
Speaker 1: you're here doing it and like opening up to it
Speaker 1: and making yourself available to it, which is so incredible.
Speaker 1: And it's to me just such a testament to how
Speaker 1: much you've grown and how willing you've been just to
Speaker 1: continue showing up day after day to your practices and
Speaker 1: to this work. Thank you. It feels more uncomfortable to
Speaker 1: not do the thing than it does to do the thing. Now.
Speaker 1: I also know how I'm limiting myself. There's pain within
Speaker 1: that limitation. I hear someone the other day, some said
Speaker 1: something like basically, choose your pain, because there's pain in
Speaker 1: the limitation, and there's pain in stepping outside of that
Speaker 1: comfort zone and letting go of that limitation. And so
Speaker 1: it's like, I think I value growth so much that
Speaker 1: I would really be denying myself of something that I
Speaker 1: value deeply if I didn't step outside of that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just had to do it. And I and I
Speaker 1: find joy in it too. I mean there is joy
Speaker 1: and also stepping right into the fear and overcoming you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that you thought, you know, five minutes ago
Speaker 1: was gonna literally kill you. And there's great joy to
Speaker 1: be had in that too, as I'm finding. I agree
Speaker 1: and I feel that too. It's like, even just listening
Speaker 1: to you, I can feel and enjoy just so much
Speaker 1: potency right like there, that's where our life force energy is.
Speaker 1: It's like in those moments where we're taking those risks
Speaker 1: and really and I also completely relate to the kind
Speaker 1: of pain and suffering of not doing the thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like to a certain point in your life and
Speaker 1: in your healing journey where you're like, okay, it's actually
Speaker 1: more painful for me and to just not show up
Speaker 1: and do this podcast and it is to just show
Speaker 1: up and do it and like open my heart and
Speaker 1: you know, open myself, did this experience and those limitations
Speaker 1: are so painful. And then like you're saying, we don't
Speaker 1: when we say second, those we don't get to experience
Speaker 1: the joy. We don't get to experience a kind of
Speaker 1: potency and the energy and the vitality that comes from,
Speaker 1: you know, moving through what we're here to move through. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know you talk about life force energy, I mean ultimately,
Speaker 1: like that's what breath is, right, that is our ultimate
Speaker 1: life force. And when we're shutting down in any way,
Speaker 1: um and not allowing that breath to like fully move
Speaker 1: through us, and life starts to contract. And I think
Speaker 1: that's That's one of the beautiful things when I started
Speaker 1: breathwork with you, is that I started my life started
Speaker 1: expanding because there was also a literal piece of me
Speaker 1: that I was I was beginning to expand. I started
Speaker 1: to get in touch with things that I've always been
Speaker 1: in touch with my intuition, but there was definitely so
Speaker 1: many voices in my head at one point, I mean
Speaker 1: were figuratively and literally there were there were a lot
Speaker 1: of people around me, and so there was constantly different voices,
Speaker 1: and I started to lose touch with my intuition. And
Speaker 1: I feel like breath work is such a direct line
Speaker 1: to intuition. You talked about clarity earlier, and I remember
Speaker 1: like we would start our session and I would be
Speaker 1: so fearful and confused, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we would breathe and I would start talking to you,
Speaker 1: like mid breath work session about all the things that
Speaker 1: I was just so super clear on that I was
Speaker 1: very confused about twenty minutes beforehand. I'm smiling so big
Speaker 1: because I just have such fond memories of those sessions
Speaker 1: with you and just those moments and you would get
Speaker 1: so razor focused and the intuition would come in so strong,
Speaker 1: and there's no doubt to me. That's one of the
Speaker 1: most incredible things about breath work. You know. I love
Speaker 1: that you touch on this too, because what it does
Speaker 1: is it just kind of filters out all the noise.
Speaker 1: It gets us really clear. It gets us that direct
Speaker 1: line to our intuition, which then once they've got that,
Speaker 1: we can start to build our us muscle. Right, we
Speaker 1: can start to build the muscles that we need to
Speaker 1: start to listen to that and trust that intuition off
Speaker 1: the mat, so to speak. Right when we're outside of
Speaker 1: practice and when our lives are expanding and things are
Speaker 1: opening up, you know, there's this consolidation of just energy.
Speaker 1: Once we start their breathing practice. It's like there's this
Speaker 1: burnoff period and like a lot of the stuff just
Speaker 1: starts to burn off. It's like the thing that we
Speaker 1: were worried about from two days ago or earlier. Today,
Speaker 1: it's like everything just starts to burn off and kind
Speaker 1: of filter through, and we start to process it and
Speaker 1: metabolize it, and then what's really important, right, what really matters,
Speaker 1: what's kind of underneath all the mirriage of stuff starts
Speaker 1: to emerge. And to me, that's one of the most
Speaker 1: beautiful things about the practice is because we start to
Speaker 1: go through all those layers and they get right down
Speaker 1: to the core. And even if in the core it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling that I'm more actually really afraid of X,
Speaker 1: it's like, great, that's really good to know because before
Speaker 1: it was just confusion, distraction, avoidance, whatever it was. Once
Speaker 1: we get through those first fifteen twenty minutes of practice,
Speaker 1: there's just enough space for us to be able to
Speaker 1: hear ourselves, for us to be able to actually listen
Speaker 1: to ourselves in that moment, and then to be able
Speaker 1: to voice whatever needs to come forward or take action
Speaker 1: on whatever we need to take action on. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's like that first part of the breathing is like
Speaker 1: a clearing and just kind of consolidation process that happens
Speaker 1: both physiologically with their breath and then also energetically as well.
Speaker 1: Those types of things are just so so so empowering
Speaker 1: and important because it's like we can do so much
Speaker 1: talk therapy, but unless we're addressing the body, that information
Speaker 1: is not going to come out. And so it's essential
Speaker 1: that we do some kind of mind body, some kind
Speaker 1: of somatic practice to help us unlock and release and
Speaker 1: you know, not just our path from us, but also
Speaker 1: you know, the joy and the creativity that we want
Speaker 1: for ourselves moving forward. All Right, you guys, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick pause, but when we return, we're going to
Speaker 1: dive into why body work can feel so incredibly intimidating.
Speaker 1: Will be back, Welcome back everyone. When I met you,
Speaker 1: I had gone to treatment after my thirtieth birthday, and
Speaker 1: it was a couple of years after that, and I
Speaker 1: had done plenty of talk therapy. Not that that isn't amazing,
Speaker 1: It definitely is and has definitely served its purpose for me.
Speaker 1: But I felt like I was kind of going round
Speaker 1: and round in circles until I began to get into
Speaker 1: the body. I was, as I'm listening to you talk
Speaker 1: about this, I feel like this can sound incredibly scary
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. It's not like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just jump in so I can dig up all
Speaker 1: the ship that's gone on in my life for you know, however,
Speaker 1: many years would you say to people like that maybe
Speaker 1: listening and going, oh this sounds this sounds terrifying. I
Speaker 1: really get that. And I've had so many people come,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was doing a lot of private sessions,
Speaker 1: I sometimes have people come and they're like they would
Speaker 1: say things like, I mean, I kind of know why
Speaker 1: I'm here, I kind of don't. I'm really scared, and
Speaker 1: I'm scared that like I'm going to discover something that
Speaker 1: I just don't want to know, you know too that
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, but I just really don't
Speaker 1: want to feel, you know, um, And that's I really
Speaker 1: get that. I really get that. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: like there's not really a whole lot of comfort that
Speaker 1: I can necessarily give somebody who's just starting out and
Speaker 1: as somebody who has been deeply involved in like breathing
Speaker 1: and meditation for a long time and also thinking about myself.
Speaker 1: When I first started this path at twenty three years old,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was in rehab and was just
Speaker 1: like completely, like just scared out of my mind, you know,
Speaker 1: because I had also spent so many years like drinking
Speaker 1: and using drugs and doing all these things and not
Speaker 1: feel myself. And then when the opportunity came to actually
Speaker 1: sit and just be with myself, it was honestly excruciating,
Speaker 1: and it really hurt, and it was really painful to
Speaker 1: have to feel so much of what I'd been putting
Speaker 1: away or what I've been kind of living with for
Speaker 1: so long and or avoiding all the things. And really,
Speaker 1: what I want to say to people who are just
Speaker 1: getting started, it's just go slow, you know, like we
Speaker 1: don't you know, I'm the kind of person who's like
Speaker 1: I started my practice just going full force. And I
Speaker 1: don't recommend that. I really don't recommend that to people
Speaker 1: that let me be an example of like what not
Speaker 1: to do, you know, but just feel really slowly, you know.
Speaker 1: I write about this in my book. It's like, do
Speaker 1: one practice and if it feels like it's too much
Speaker 1: for you, stop, just stop. You don't have to push
Speaker 1: yourself here, you don't have to. And actually, what's more
Speaker 1: healing and what's more restorative and reparative for our nervous
Speaker 1: systems is to not override and to just go in
Speaker 1: as much as we can. And so, for example, if
Speaker 1: you're working with grief, like feel your grief and your
Speaker 1: breathing practice five percent. Just feel it five percent and
Speaker 1: that's all you need to do in that moment. And
Speaker 1: if it feels like you want to feel at ten percent,
Speaker 1: feel at ten percent. And if you start to get overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: back off. There's so much to be said for doing
Speaker 1: work in a tie traded, slow, safe and contained way. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I've also started to trust, and I've I've kind of
Speaker 1: always been this way, but I was trusting what comes
Speaker 1: up is is what you can handle? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like you can I think that's when we
Speaker 1: start to really build trust within ourselves and and our
Speaker 1: intuition and trusting that we can handle it. And that's
Speaker 1: been huge for me, going back to that thing of
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna die, Like if I feel this,
Speaker 1: it's wait, I'm being shown this for a reason. I'm
Speaker 1: being I'm I'm here in this moment for a reason
Speaker 1: to be able to feel this, and that I've I
Speaker 1: think I've thought those things for a long time, but um,
Speaker 1: I haven't really felt that kind of trust. So it
Speaker 1: has taken some time to build that trust to myself.
Speaker 1: And the only thing I would say to for folks
Speaker 1: who are if you're curious about starting a breathing practice
Speaker 1: and want to do some things on your own, is
Speaker 1: just to get support. You know, even if you have
Speaker 1: a one person in your life. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be even anybody in your family, but just a trusted
Speaker 1: friend and you can be like, Hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: start this journey and I'm scared. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to come up, but you know, can I just
Speaker 1: check in with you about it? Or can I just
Speaker 1: get your support and just know that you're here kind
Speaker 1: of cheering me on doing this thing, And even that
Speaker 1: can just work wonders to know, like there's a person
Speaker 1: in my corner, There's somebody has got my back. So
Speaker 1: if I just go off the rails here and like
Speaker 1: it gets really intense, like I can call somebody and
Speaker 1: just check in with them. Yeah, there was a quote
Speaker 1: that I saw that you said healing is a natural
Speaker 1: byproduct of experiencing each other's vulnerability, which I think is
Speaker 1: so beautiful. I mean, I feel like that connection with
Speaker 1: even one person is so important in our healing journey
Speaker 1: to be witnessed. And it's uncomfortable to be witnessed. And
Speaker 1: I think in you know a lot of our pain,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of us can feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: my pain is too much. Like when those things start
Speaker 1: to arise, how do we deal with that mental chatter
Speaker 1: and to be able to start connecting with others. A
Speaker 1: big part of it for me has been being in
Speaker 1: relationships where it's safe, right, So choosing relationships that are safe,
Speaker 1: where I can show up and where I can even
Speaker 1: be super vulnerable and just say, you know, in a moment, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like I'm taking up a lot of space
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling super weird and secure about that. Now,
Speaker 1: is that your experience? You know? It's so even as
Speaker 1: I say that, my body kind of like contracts and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's like is so like it's like
Speaker 1: the teenage me is like, oh, hell no, I would
Speaker 1: never say something like that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's up as nails. But as an adult, it's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's been part of it. It's but like that's
Speaker 1: been a huge part of my healing. It's just to
Speaker 1: reach over to my partner and I just say, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: like I'm just feeling so just scared right now, you know,
Speaker 1: and do you still love me or whatever? It is
Speaker 1: just that that I with my younger self, would just
Speaker 1: cringe at the thought of saying, but it's it's really healing,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he can give me his honest
Speaker 1: feedback and he'll be like, no, you're not taking up
Speaker 1: too much space, or I'm really appreciating that you're being
Speaker 1: honest with me instead of just projecting all your stuff
Speaker 1: on me, you know what I mean. It's like, what's
Speaker 1: the offer of a relationship with like m brother You
Speaker 1: just say hey, I'm really angry with you then lash
Speaker 1: out at me like that is an amazing alternative. So
Speaker 1: he's always super on board and really happy when I'm
Speaker 1: able to show up in those ways. But I think
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it, is just like having
Speaker 1: establishing that trust in relationship and having you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of people that you can really just kind of
Speaker 1: unwind with. That's even something that I'm still learning and
Speaker 1: something that you've taught me. And then something you're just
Speaker 1: reminding me of just speaking the thing, not having to project,
Speaker 1: but just speaking out the thing that you're feeling, it
Speaker 1: literally shifts energy instantly. It does take a certain level
Speaker 1: of vulnerability to be able to do that. And and
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm still on that journey of
Speaker 1: learning how to not hold those things in you know,
Speaker 1: me too, Me too. And over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: what I've really come to is that it's really about
Speaker 1: just being in connection. And it's about being in connection.
Speaker 1: And in those moments when I feel like, oh, like
Speaker 1: what you're describing, because you and I are both very
Speaker 1: similar in this way, like we're oh sensitive energetically. It's
Speaker 1: like as soon as somebody's like calibration changes, even just
Speaker 1: like half a degree, you're like, whoa, I felt that?
Speaker 1: What's going on? You know? It's like the signals go out.
Speaker 1: You're like, are you mad at me? What's happening? Like
Speaker 1: I remember a therapist years ago. He's like, you were
Speaker 1: like exquisitely tuned. You know. It's like You're like this
Speaker 1: a exquisitely tuned instrument. And I'm like, I am, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's a super it is a superpower, and it's something
Speaker 1: to be so grateful for. And in those moments, it's
Speaker 1: like it's a lot of work. You know. If I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling something, and then instead of just going into
Speaker 1: my little cave or being angry or whatever it is
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, I gotta just say, well, i'm feeling something.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm noticing. It's a practice of naming. And
Speaker 1: I'll just start to say, like, my stomach is getting tight,
Speaker 1: I'm scared right now. And then that actually just gives
Speaker 1: my partner an opportunity to be like I can show
Speaker 1: up for that, right he can show up for that,
Speaker 1: just like I can show up for that with him.
Speaker 1: But when it comes out as like I start lashing
Speaker 1: out or I totally check out, or any of those
Speaker 1: other things, and he's kind of, wait, where are you?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? And so naming is what brings
Speaker 1: us into connection. And it's such a practice. It's such
Speaker 1: a practice. I'm so far from where I want to be.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. But but I'm still learning,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we're learning. And I the more
Speaker 1: I choose to show up in that way, I won't
Speaker 1: say easier it gets, but the more practiced I become
Speaker 1: at it. You know, it's never really easy, but it
Speaker 1: becomes something that becomes more repetitive for people out there
Speaker 1: listening to who are thinking, oh, yeah, like that's me.
Speaker 1: What's just a simple tip for people to begin to
Speaker 1: work with that energy and their sensitivity taking some time
Speaker 1: to connect to nature, right, because that's such nicknature for me.
Speaker 1: It's just like the kind of great equalizer, it's the
Speaker 1: great restabilizer. So it's like just taking a moment to
Speaker 1: let our energy kind of tap into something that's holding us.
Speaker 1: So what often happens with a lot of the empathy
Speaker 1: and the sensitivities and those kind of things, it can
Speaker 1: just pull us in so many different directions. It can
Speaker 1: feel really destabilizing. And so the first thing we want
Speaker 1: to do is like find our ground, right And so
Speaker 1: I know, we're moving into winter up where I and
Speaker 1: we just had our first know and so it's less
Speaker 1: about being barefoot right now because it's just too cold,
Speaker 1: but you know, anything that we can do. I'll soak
Speaker 1: my feet at night, you know, with warm water, and
Speaker 1: just even that is so grounding and it just helps
Speaker 1: me like feel into my body, feel into my own space.
Speaker 1: And that's just the first great tip for anybody who
Speaker 1: wants to just know how to start to work with
Speaker 1: that kind of sensitive and empathetic energy is just connect
Speaker 1: to nature. I love that and I've been doing that
Speaker 1: more and more, talking about like nature holding us, and
Speaker 1: I haven't really grasped that until recently. And there's something
Speaker 1: about really deeply connecting with the ground that has brought
Speaker 1: me into I don't know, it feels like I'm like
Speaker 1: you said, it feels like you're being held. It feels
Speaker 1: very motherly. I mean, that's that mother Earth thing is
Speaker 1: living up to its name. But I love the I
Speaker 1: love the soaking of the feet because I think I've
Speaker 1: never been a huge bath person, and so many people
Speaker 1: talk about baths and I'm like, I like them, but
Speaker 1: I don't do them all the time. Soaking the feet
Speaker 1: seems a lot more accessible. So thank you for recommending
Speaker 1: that that. Yeah, just put some essential oils in there,
Speaker 1: even like a fresh brigger, rosemary or something that can
Speaker 1: be really nice. And I'm like you, I love I
Speaker 1: love a bath too, but I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it just feels like a lot and like a
Speaker 1: footsto just feels really nigible. You know. I would love
Speaker 1: to note with your son, like how has your son
Speaker 1: changed your work and your mission in this world, godly Anne,
Speaker 1: and in ways that I just never expected. Even just
Speaker 1: getting pregnant. You know, I hear a lot of moms
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, what forced me to do X? And
Speaker 1: for me, it was really just an opportunity to start
Speaker 1: to really embody the things that I had been working towards,
Speaker 1: the slowing down, working less. Being pregnant also gave me
Speaker 1: so many incredible opportunity is to practice boundaries around work,
Speaker 1: which was huge. Instead of just saying like yes to
Speaker 1: every opportunity that came through, I was like really having
Speaker 1: to look at like, Okay, I only have X amount
Speaker 1: of energy in a day now, especially that I'm growing
Speaker 1: this little human miracle and my uterus, So where am
Speaker 1: I going to put my energy? You know? And I
Speaker 1: could already see it's like, as soon as he comes earthside,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a whole another ballgame of just
Speaker 1: kind of recalibrating my energy and where I wanted to go.
Speaker 1: But it's been an incredible process of going even deeper
Speaker 1: internally and really shifting the focus so less kind of
Speaker 1: on what I'm producing and what I'm creating for the world,
Speaker 1: and more about like just how I'm living on a
Speaker 1: day to day basis, and that's been a huge shift,
Speaker 1: and it's been an ego kind of die off. For
Speaker 1: so much of my life, I've put so much stock
Speaker 1: in like my accomplishments, and you know, whether that be
Speaker 1: education or whether that be like you know, the work
Speaker 1: that I do, any of those things, which are all
Speaker 1: valid and incredible, and I feel super fortunate to be
Speaker 1: able to do what I do, and I know it's
Speaker 1: like such an incredible blessing and gift, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a huge privilege. And I also really struggled with
Speaker 1: my worth, like how much do I have to work?
Speaker 1: How hard do I have to push myself? And being
Speaker 1: pregnant was just this beautiful opportunity to go. My body
Speaker 1: is working so hard growing this human, Like everything outside
Speaker 1: can just like take a backseat, because this is like
Speaker 1: really awesome, you know, like I don't have to like
Speaker 1: I'm already like creating a life here of people, like
Speaker 1: I don't need to do all this other stuff. And
Speaker 1: then you know, birthing him and bring him into the world,
Speaker 1: and now he just turned to and just really showing
Speaker 1: up just been a refinement process. I've really been refining
Speaker 1: like what my mission is in the world, what my
Speaker 1: mission is just individually as a parent, as a partner
Speaker 1: person in my community, how I want to show up,
Speaker 1: where I want to spend my energy and what really matters.
Speaker 1: And it's been this massive editing process and it's been
Speaker 1: so fun to just go in redline anything that just
Speaker 1: isn't driving with me anymore, you know, anything it just
Speaker 1: isn't giving me the energy exchange and the reciprocation that
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I'm just you know, saying goodbye. And
Speaker 1: there's been grief and sadness and letting a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of parts of myself shift and die. But it's
Speaker 1: also been this incredible initiation into the next phase of
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, I see such as softening within you,
Speaker 1: and that's so beautiful. I so desperately want that too
Speaker 1: for myself, and I know I have. I know I've
Speaker 1: softened a lot around so many things. And you and I,
Speaker 1: like you were saying earlier, you and are very similar
Speaker 1: in that way of like driven and you know, accomplishments
Speaker 1: and all the things. And I honestly think that that's
Speaker 1: one of the everything you just talked about is what's
Speaker 1: always scared me about motherhood, like, actually, you know, I
Speaker 1: have two stepsons and it's very different though, you know,
Speaker 1: to have your own child. And I think everything you
Speaker 1: just said is like, oh, that's what that's exactly what
Speaker 1: would happen. And I got pregnant, and there's something about
Speaker 1: that that has ter fight me to be really honest.
Speaker 1: But there's something also when listening to you talk about
Speaker 1: it that sounded really inviting. So, yeah, you just piqued
Speaker 1: my interest on motherhead. Then maybe I changed back and
Speaker 1: forth all the time. Yes, now I would have finished
Speaker 1: our conversation. By the way, thank you for this lovely conversation,
Speaker 1: and I hope people kind of have gotten a better
Speaker 1: idea of how breath work has led me into this
Speaker 1: journey and what it could also possibly do for them. Um.
Speaker 1: But part of your breath work sessions that I loved
Speaker 1: so much is your music because I feel like you
Speaker 1: and I had a conversation, you listened to what I needed,
Speaker 1: and then you chose songs as I was breathing that
Speaker 1: like spoke directly to that. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: music is my entryway into any kind of emotion, and
Speaker 1: it's it's I think it is for a lot of
Speaker 1: people because of that, I've just always loved the music
Speaker 1: that you chose. So I would love to know what
Speaker 1: you're We call this the Holy Five, so five songs
Speaker 1: that speak to like the wholeness of maybe your life
Speaker 1: now or your life you know, over the entirety of
Speaker 1: your life. But some some great music from you and
Speaker 1: why you you love these songs. I would love to
Speaker 1: know you know everything about music, You're like all the things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna come here with my little like
Speaker 1: playlist and she's gonna be like, please, this is like
Speaker 1: the song sucks. I was so still like what is
Speaker 1: she playing? Like doesn't what is she doing? So it's like,
Speaker 1: so I'm so happy to hear that, and I know,
Speaker 1: you know, we would talk about it, but those first
Speaker 1: couple of lessons, I was just a little bit nervous
Speaker 1: and like, oh my gosh, i'mally funny just thinking about that.
Speaker 1: So and this funny. The funny part is that I've
Speaker 1: I've literally gotten so much of my great music from
Speaker 1: you and from sessions because I would be at the
Speaker 1: end of be like, what is that song you just
Speaker 1: played for me? So yeah, so that's funny. I'm pulling
Speaker 1: up this playlist right now. You know, we're talking about
Speaker 1: our son Solomon, and he's really into music, and um,
Speaker 1: it's incredible, like what like how kind of eclectic his
Speaker 1: taste is. These aren't necessarily the songs that, like I
Speaker 1: would say, I'd like to find my life overall, but
Speaker 1: definitely in this moment, they are the ones that are
Speaker 1: like on repeat. And we've got Running Up that Hill
Speaker 1: Kate Bush Big one. Oh yeah, he loves really. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's I mean Kate huge. Kate Bush, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean for a two year old, that's amazing. I
Speaker 1: love him. You know, we've got It's my House Diana Ross.
Speaker 1: That one's been really fun with him. Musician that we
Speaker 1: love listened to a lot in our house is Trebor
Speaker 1: Hall and the song of his that we all love
Speaker 1: so much, it's called Chapter of the Forest. And his
Speaker 1: songs are really deep and there's so much about Nate
Speaker 1: her and animals and community and kind of spirituality from
Speaker 1: from the Song of the Lies And as he taught
Speaker 1: sister Sun, I said, back can't be bad. I love him.
Speaker 1: I love him. Got a fun one in here, man
Speaker 1: eater Um hall of Oates amazing. Although when Solomon was little,
Speaker 1: he was just learning to talk, and he was beat
Speaker 1: in the back seat and we'd put on Man Eater
Speaker 1: and he would every time it would go to the
Speaker 1: part where it says man Eater, he'd sit in the
Speaker 1: back and go, man, Man Man. It was epic. Watch up,
Speaker 1: She'll shoot you up. I love it. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: Was that was that? Were five? I'm sorry I lost
Speaker 1: those four? That was four? One more Jose Gonzellas stay alive,
Speaker 1: very cool, beautiful son with you. But yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. Like I said, your music choices
Speaker 1: have always been on point, so I appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, thank you for all that you've done
Speaker 1: in my world and continue to do. And I am Yeah.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on here and sharing your wisdom
Speaker 1: with all of our listeners. And I hope that they've
Speaker 1: found something that deeply touched their heart and maybe some
Speaker 1: of them will begin on their own breath work journey
Speaker 1: because I I think it is incredibly transformational. Both of
Speaker 1: us can definitely speak to the power of it. So
Speaker 1: thank you again, You're so welcome. Thank you for having
Speaker 1: me only and it's been such a beautiful hour and
Speaker 1: so meaningful to me as so many levels, and just
Speaker 1: my heart is so full of gratitude this moment, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I just have so much love and appreciation and respect
Speaker 1: for you, and thank you so much, thank you, and
Speaker 1: then we're in with that praise practice right there. Thank
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