1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: are the stories we're following today. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 3: Karen, we begin with an escalation in the feud between 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 3: President Donald Trump and FED Chair j Powell. This time 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: the Justice Department is involved. Bloomberg's John Tucker joins us 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: with the very latest, John and Nathan. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 4: Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Pal s as the US Central 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 4: Bank has been served grand jury subpoenas from the Justice Department, 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 4: threatening a criminal indictment. Pal made the announcement in an 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: extraordinary video statement released last night. 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 5: This unprecedented action should be seen in the broader context 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 5: of the administration's threats and ongoing pressure. 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 4: The Trump administration last summer ramped up scrutiny at the 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 4: feds renovation of two buildings and rising costs associated with 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 4: the projects. But Powell says this is just pretext to 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: end FED independence. 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 5: The threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 5: Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 5: of what will serve the public, rather than following the 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 5: preferences of the President. 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 4: In an interview with NBC News on Sunday, President Trump 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: denied having any knowledge of the DOJ's investigation into the 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 4: Central Bank. The President has repeatedly called for aggressive rate 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: cuts and has repeatedly mused about firing Pale. At the 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: end of last year, Trump said he was considering what 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 4: he called a gross incompetence lawsuit against Powell. In another 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 4: extraordinary staff he sought to fire FED Governor Lisa Cook, 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: where the Supreme Court is sent to take up the 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 4: Cook case later this month in New York, Coome John 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 4: Tucker Bloomberg. 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: Radio, All right, John, thank you well. Bloomberg News has 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: learned Federal Housing Finance Agency Director Bill Poulte was a 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: driving force behind the Trump administration's decision to subpoena the 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: Federal Reserve Balty has been a vocal force within the 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: administration investigating Trump's foes for mortgage fraud. He also submitted 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: a criminal referral to the Jay about FED Governor Lisa 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: Cook that is at the root of Trump's push to 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: fire her. The latest FED subpoena has drawn criticism from 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: Democrats like Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren and Republican Senator Tom 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: Tillis of North Carolina. Tillis says he will oppose the 42 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: confirmation of any nominee for the FED until the legal 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: matter is fully resolved on Nathan Cel. America's sentiment is 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: sweeping through markets today after the Trump administration escalated its 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: attacks on the federal reserve. The dollar, treasuries, and US 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: equity futures are all sliding in early trading. The selloff 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: revives debate over just how far the President Kennon should 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 2: influence the nation's rate stance, which in recent decades has 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: been insulated from political interference so as to ensure price stability. 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: Gold and silver, in turn, are trading at record highs 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: this morning. 52 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: There's some geopolitical tensions to follow this morning as well. 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: Karen Iron's foreign minister says security forces have quote full 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: control of the country after two weeks of ongoing upheaval. 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: Activists say at least five hundred and forty people have 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: been killed so far in the latest waves of protests 57 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: in Iran. President Trump says he is closely monitoring the 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: protests and considering potential military options. 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 6: We're looking at it very seriously. 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 7: The military is looking at it, and we're looking at 61 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 7: some very strong options. 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 8: The president added. 63 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: The regime's leaders have contacted the US for negotiations. Iran's 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: parliament speaker, Mohammed Bager Khalibov, had this warning for the 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: US if it chooses to strike in. 66 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 9: Given your explicit admissions regarding your intention to carry out 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 9: military aggression against Iran within the framework of legitimate self defense, 68 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 9: we do not consider ourselves limited to reacting only after 69 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 9: an attack occurs, and we will act based on concrete 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 9: indications of threats. 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: It was Iran's parliament speaker, speaking through an interpreter. Communications 72 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: in Iran remain largely cut off and that has made 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: it difficult to track the full scope of the protest movement. 74 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan, we want to turn out to new developments 75 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: involving Greenland. Danish broadcaster tvqu who says top diplomats from 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: Denmark and Greenland will meet Secretary of State Marco Rubio 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: in Washington on Wednesday. Denmark is banking on the meeting 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: to defuse President Trump's renewed push on Greenland. The President 79 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: insists ownership of the island is a key issue. 80 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 7: Book If we don't take Gleenland Russia, what China will 81 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 7: And I'm not letting that happen. If we don't take 82 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 7: Gleenland Russia, what China will take Greenland? 83 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: And I am not going to let that happen. 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 10: Yeah. 85 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 7: Sure, I'd looked at it and make a deal with 86 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 7: them that's easier. But one way or the other, we're 87 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 7: going to have Greenland. 88 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: May while Bloomberg News has learned a group of European countries, 89 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: led by the UK and Germany, as discussing plans for 90 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: a military presence in Greenland. 91 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Karen, President Trump is signaling he is leaning toward 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 3: excluding Exon mobil from his push for US oil majors 93 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: to rebuild Venezuela's petroleum industry. The President says he's displeased 94 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: with the company's response to his initiative viving oil and 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: then dooing years of under investment and mismanagement in Venezuela 96 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: would buy some estimates, require one hundred billion dollars and 97 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: take a decade. 98 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: Well back here, nathantentions are made high in Minneapolis days after, 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: and immigration and Customs enforcement officers shot and killed a 100 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: woman drive during a tense confrontation in her car. Now, 101 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: Homeland Security Secretary Christie Nomes says even more federal agents 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: are headed to the city. 103 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 11: We're sending more officers today and tomorrow they'll arrive. There'll 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 11: be hundreds more, and in order to allow our Ice 105 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 11: and our Border patrol individuals that are working in Minneapolis 106 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 11: to do so safely. 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: Homeland Security Secretary Christie Nome appeared on the Fox News 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: programs Sunday Morning Futures. But the debate continues over whether 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: ICE agent Jonathan Ross was justified in shooting Renee Good, 110 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: with multiple videos of the incident adding to the fearer. 111 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: Democratic Senator Tina Smith Minnesota is saying that federal investigators 112 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: need to work with state and local law enforcement. 113 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 12: We need to have a free, fair and unbiased investigation 114 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 12: so we can gather all of the evidence and all 115 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 12: of the information and we can know exactly what's happening. 116 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 12: And what I think is going on here is the 117 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 12: administration does not want that to happen, and that looks 118 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 12: to me like a cover up. 119 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: Minnesota Democrat Unis Smith appeared on ABC's This Week Heard 120 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: Every Sunday on Bloomberg Radio. 121 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: Turning back to Markets Now, Karen, besides fed pressure, investors 122 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: have another thing to focus on this week, bank earnings 123 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: let's get a preview of that from Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. 124 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 8: The results from the nation's biggest banks will give us 125 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 8: the first glimpse into how Wall Street navigated the last 126 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 8: months of twenty twenty five amid President Trump's trade wars 127 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 8: and ongoing geopolitical tensions. Betsy Graysia is Global head of 128 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 8: Banks at Morgan Stanley. 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 13: Our setup is positive for Tuesday kickoff, and what I 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 13: think matters is both the outlook here for earnings as 131 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 13: well as the pent up backlog building in the capital markets. 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 8: JP Morgan Chase reports Tuesday. City Group, Bank of American, 133 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 8: Wells Fargo all report on Wednesday in New York. Charlie 134 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 8: Pellett Bloomberg Radio. 135 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: All right, Charlie, thank you. Credit Card Company is falling 136 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: in early trading. The drop comes after President Trump said 137 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: that credit card lenders would be in violation of the 138 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: law if they do not heed his call to cap 139 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: interest rates at ten percent for one year. Right now, 140 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: Capital One and Synchrone Financial are both down about nine percent, 141 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: and American Express is down more than four percent. 142 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: Walmart Karen is up more than three and a half percent. 143 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: The retail giant's getting ready to join the NASDAQ one 144 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: hundred index, replacing Astra Zeneca. The change takes effect before 145 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: the market opens January twentieth. Walmart's edition follows its move 146 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: last year to shift its stock listing from the New 147 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: York Stock Exchange to the Nasdaq. 148 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: And in Europe, Nathan Heinegan looking for a new boss. 149 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: CEO Dolph benden Brink is stepping down after six years 150 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: at the Helm of the Brewer. The move comes months 151 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: after the company warn't on profit overfalling beer sale. Time 152 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 2: now for look at some of the other stories making 153 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: news in New York and around the world, and for 154 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: never joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr Michael, good morning. 155 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 10: Good morning Karen. About sixteen thousand nurses at New York 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 10: City hospitals are set to strike any moment now. If 157 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 10: the union does not reach a contract agreement with private 158 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 10: hospitals soon, it would be considered the largest nurses strike 159 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 10: in city history. Their contract expired December thirty first, The union, 160 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 10: the New York State Nurses Association, is still in talks 161 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 10: with those private hospitals. They want higher pay and safer 162 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 10: working conditions. It comes as flu cases are spiking In 163 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 10: New York, Governor Kathy Hochele has declared a state of 164 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 10: emergency ahead of the potential strike, pleading with both sides 165 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 10: to stay at the table. 166 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 13: This could jeopardize the lives of thousands of New Yorkers 167 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 13: and patients. 168 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 10: Forty two states, including New York, are seeing high or 169 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 10: very high levels of flu activity. A plan protest in Westwood, California, 170 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 10: by Los Angeles' Iranian community was disrupted Sunday afternoon when 171 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 10: a U haul truck drove into the crowd. After running 172 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 10: to get out of the way, people went after the driver, 173 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 10: dragging him out of the cab of the box truck. 174 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 10: LAPD Captain Richard Galbadon was asked about charges against the driver. 175 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,359 Speaker 10: It's an open traffic investigation. 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: We're looking a possible assault with the daily weapon, the 177 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: daily weapon being the vehicle of being used. 178 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 10: But that's all going right now, Captain Galbadon says. The 179 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 10: driver's identity has not been released and is being treated 180 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 10: at a local hospital for injuries. Paul Thomas Anderson's Ragtag 181 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 10: revolutionary saga One Battle after Another and the Shakespeare drama 182 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 10: Hamnet took top honors at Sunday's eighty third Golden Globes, 183 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 10: Anderson became just the second filmmaker in Golden Globes history 184 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 10: to ever sweet Best Film, Best Director, and Best Screenplay. 185 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 10: Only Oliver Stone were born on the fourth of July nine, 186 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 10: is the same feet Timothy Chalamay won his first Golden 187 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 10: Globe for Marty Supreme. 188 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 14: My dad instilled in me a spirit of gratitude growing up. 189 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 14: Always be grateful for what you have. It's allowed me 190 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 14: to leave the ceremony in the past empty handed, my 191 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 14: head held high, grateful just to be here. But I'd 192 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 14: be lying if I didn't say those moments didn't make 193 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 14: this moment that much sweeter. 194 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 10: Centners won for Best Score in Cinematic and Box Office Achievement. 195 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 10: The ceremony was broadcast on CBS Global News twenty four 196 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 10: hours a day and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News. Now. 197 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 10: I'm Michael Barr, and this is Bloomberg Karen. 198 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: Thanks Michael all the time. Now for our Bloomberg Sports Update, 199 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: and for that we bring in John Stashauer. 200 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 10: Thanks Daring. 201 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 6: The NFL playoff tripleheader begin in Jacksonville. The Bills and 202 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 6: Jaguars six lead changes four in the fourth quarter, Josh 203 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 6: Allen's touchdown Ronald just over a minute to play gave 204 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 6: Buffalo a twenty seven to twenty four victory. It's the 205 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 6: Bill's first playoff road win since nineteen ninety two. Next, 206 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 6: top Philadelphia, the forty nine ers a trick play touchdown 207 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 6: first play of the fourth quarter, and then with five 208 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 6: minutes to go, Christian McCaffrey scored on a past with 209 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 6: Rock Purty. Niners dethroned the Eagles twenty three to nineteen. 210 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 6: Last night, the Patriots beat the Chargers sixteen to three. 211 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 6: That's your Bloomberg Sports Update. 212 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: Stay with us more from Bloomberg day Break coming up 213 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: after this. 214 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius XM, 215 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 216 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 217 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. The Federal Reserve is facing 218 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: even more political and legal pressure now, with chair J. 219 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: Powell saying the Justice Department has served subpoenas against the 220 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: Central Bank over his testimony about the FEDS building renovations. 221 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: But Powell is vowing to stand firm. 222 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 5: Public service sometimes requires standing firm In the face of threats. 223 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 5: I will continue to do the job the SAT confirmed 224 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 5: me to do with integrity and a commitment to serving 225 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 5: the American people. 226 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 3: I was chair Powell in a video statement last night 227 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: and this morning we're joined by Bloomberg's DC Breaking News 228 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: editor Alexander Pearce and alex to say there's new pressure 229 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 3: on the FED maybe a real understatement. Now, what do 230 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: we know more about these subpoenas that the chairman announced 231 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: last night? 232 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 15: Good morning, Good morning, Nathan. Yes, this was really quite 233 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 15: an escalatory move by the Trumpan administration yesterday, and so 234 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 15: far we've actually heard very little from the administration. We 235 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 15: got this announcement from Chairman Powell about the subpoenas, but 236 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 15: we've not yet heard from the Department of Justice or 237 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 15: Attorney General Pampondi. Yet, we did get some comments from 238 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 15: President Trump yesterday as he was traveling, saying that he 239 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 15: was not aware of the subpoenas, but he thought that 240 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 15: they had nothing to do with interest rates. As Chairman 241 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 15: Powell contended that the move was about, well. 242 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: We are getting some information though, aren't we, about who 243 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: may be behind these subpoenas. I mean, has been an 244 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: ongoing pressure campaign as you say, against the Federal Reserve 245 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,239 Speaker 3: coming out of the Trump administration. 246 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 247 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 15: Yeah, so we do have this has not been confromed 248 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 15: yet officially, but we have we have our own reporting 249 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 15: indicating that the fine the Housing Finance Director Bill Poulti 250 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 15: was really a driving force behind the subpoenas he's long 251 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 15: been a very vehement critic of j. Powell and also 252 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 15: the Federal Reserve's pace of cutting rates last year. And 253 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 15: we yeah, we have it that he has been sort 254 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 15: of pushing this, but he's obviously. 255 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 14: Has a. 256 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 15: In Trump, someone who is also very much believing that 257 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 15: the Federal Reserve has not been cutting rates aggressively enough 258 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 15: and has now you know, it's now escalated to this 259 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 15: point where actually there's a there's a threat of a 260 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 15: criminal indictment. 261 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 3: And we know that the Chairman Poulty has also been 262 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: a driving force behind the pressure campaign on FED Governor 263 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: Lisa Cook, the accusations of mortgage fraud that continue to 264 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: play themselves out in the courts. Put this in that 265 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: context as well. I mean, it really does seem like 266 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: there is just unrelenting pressure on the FED at this moment. 267 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 15: Yeah. Absolutely, it really just keeps escalating and as you say, 268 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 15: another Federal Board member, Lisa Cook, is also under investigation 269 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 15: for alleged mortgage fraud that's now going to go to 270 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 15: the Supreme Court. And you know, this is all basically, 271 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 15: at its most simple level, it's really just the Trump 272 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 15: administration's frustration with the Federal Reserve as it is constituted 273 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 15: right now, in its caution with cutting interest rates. J 274 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 15: Powell and other Federal Reserve Board members are still a 275 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 15: bit cautious about elevated inflation, about inflationary pressures from tariffs, 276 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 15: and so they have been cutting, but cutting at a 277 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 15: relatively cautious rate sort of pace. And Trump and his 278 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 15: allies have, you know, repeatedly ever since taking office last year, 279 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 15: for far more aggressive stance on interest rates. 280 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: And what could this mean for some of the other 281 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: aspects of this that we're watching going forward? I mean, 282 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: we're expecting that President Trump at any moment really is 283 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: going to be announcing his replacement for chair Powell. What 284 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: kind of pressure does that potentially put on who that 285 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: next pick could be. 286 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 15: That's right, So currently President Trump is considering a number 287 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 15: of names to replace Chairman Powell when his term as 288 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 15: chairman ends in May. And really these moves against Chairman 289 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 15: Powell and other members of the Federal Reserve is also 290 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 15: seen as a signal to whoever succeeds J. Powell in 291 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 15: that position, obviously with the intention of making sure that 292 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 15: they toe somewhat toe the line of the administration when 293 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 15: it comes to setting monetary policy. 294 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: And we've also heard from at least one Republican Senator, 295 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: Tom Tillis, saying that with this kind of pressure sure 296 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: on Chairman Powell, he may be reticent to cast any 297 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: vote in favor of confirmation for the next FED chair. 298 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it puts a signal out there as well, 299 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: doesn't it that whoever comes out there is going to 300 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: face a pretty tough road for confirmation while this continues 301 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: to play out. 302 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 15: Absolutely, and it's notable given that Tom Tillis is also 303 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 15: Republican senator, and you know that is also just emblematic 304 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 15: of really quite a lot of anxiety not just within government, 305 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 15: within Congress, but also in the wider markets. As to 306 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 15: Trump's campaign here, there is a sort of sense that 307 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 15: he won't really go too far in threatening FED independence, 308 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 15: but you know, each move that he makes has been 309 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 15: quite escalatory, and that's probably led people like Senator Tillis 310 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 15: to come out and really quite vehemently oppose what's being 311 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 15: done and to threaten the nomination of any future nominee 312 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 15: to the Federal Reserve Board. 313 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: And while we continue to watch this pressure on the Fed, 314 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: we're monitoring the developments as well in Iran, where the 315 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: regime there appears to be under the kind of pressure 316 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: that it hasn't seen in many years of these street 317 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 3: protests that have been underway since late last year. 318 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 15: What's the latest there, Alex, Yeah, So it's now entering 319 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 15: his third week of quite violent protests in Iran, with 320 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 15: hundreds of people who have been killed, thousands have been arrested, 321 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 15: and President Trump has ever since they erupted, voiced very 322 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 15: strong support for the protesters, without really elaborating what kind 323 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 15: of support he might offer them. Last night, he did 324 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 15: say that he was considering military options, and there was 325 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 15: a report from the Wall Street Journal yesterday or earlier, sorry, 326 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 15: that said that he would meet with some of his 327 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 15: senior advisers to discuss those options. It's not really clear 328 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 15: what exactly he might choose. There are a number of 329 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 15: things he could do. There could be a direct military strike, 330 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 15: that could be some sort of cyber attack that could 331 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 15: be maybe a tightening of sanctions on Iran. So right 332 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 15: now we don't really know where the administration is leaning, 333 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 15: but they're certainly considering an action that could be quite 334 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 15: severe for Iran should these protests continue. 335 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: It's kind of difficult at this point to gauge just 336 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: how serious a threat these protests are to the regime, 337 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: given that the Internet is blocked in much of the country. 338 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: But what is the sense that we're hearing from some 339 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: activist groups and other observers as to where this could 340 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 3: go from here with these protests continuing. Alex got about 341 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: a minute left. 342 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, really, it's the most sort of These 343 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 15: protests are the biggest challenge for the Islamic Republic since 344 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 15: really nineteen seventy nine, according to many observers, given that 345 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 15: they that the economy is not doing well. There is 346 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 15: a currency crisis right now and that actually sparked these 347 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 15: protests a couple of weeks ago, and going forward, they're 348 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 15: not really showing any signs of abating, and so if 349 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 15: they continue, it could be a threat for the regime there. 350 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 15: And as you say, we don't really know with crystal 351 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 15: clarity what's going on on the ground, but Trump himself, 352 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 15: as she did, say yes that he would potentially contact 353 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 15: Elon Muster try and get a Starling connection to try 354 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 15: and get more information about what's happening there, just given 355 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 15: that we can't, given that the internet's been cut off 356 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 15: in the country, know all of the facts. 357 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak, your morning podcast on the stories 358 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: making news from Wall Street to Washington and beyond. 359 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: Look for us on your podcast feed by six am 360 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: Eastern each morning, on Apple, Spotify, or manywhere else you listen. 361 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning starting at five 362 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: am Wall Street time on Bloomberg eleven three to zero 363 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: in New York, Bloomberg in ninety nine to one in Washington, 364 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: Bloomberg ninety two nine in Boston, and nationwide on serious 365 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: XM Channel one twenty one. 366 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: Plus listen coast to coast on the Bloomberg Business app 367 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: Now with Apple CarPlay and Android Atto interfaces. 368 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: And don't forget to subscribe to Bloomberg News Now. 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