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Speaker 1: lot to talk about today, as we always do. Last
Speaker 1: night was the follow up show to this pay per
Speaker 1: view this past weekend, the Revolution Paid Review. I did
Speaker 1: not like this dynamite one bit. I shouldn't say one bit.
Speaker 1: I guess there were some things on it I thought
Speaker 1: were pretty good, but in general, I think it was
Speaker 1: probably the worst dynamite and I don't even know how long,
Speaker 1: and there was some stuff that there was some stuff
Speaker 1: that happened that caused things to happen. We'll get into
Speaker 1: that here on the show today. And some things are
Speaker 1: being changed as a result of that, so we'll get
Speaker 1: into that. We've also got a lot of WrestleMania news,
Speaker 1: updates on braun Breaker and what's going on with Tom
Speaker 1: Brady of all people. We'll tell you about that. We've
Speaker 1: also got some notes on Santos Escobar who is injured,
Speaker 1: as we talked about yesterday Leila Gray as well. We've
Speaker 1: got a new Men's Evolve Champion. We got GCW going international.
Speaker 1: We got Claudio Casigioli signing a CMLL contract. He has
Speaker 1: now got a dual contract. A lot of people have asked, well,
Speaker 1: what the heck is that all about? What do those
Speaker 1: even mean? Well, we'll tell you today. And then of
Speaker 1: course we've got the full recap of the Dynamite Show
Speaker 1: as believe it or not. Believe it or not, after
Speaker 1: not having a pay per view for months, aw's next
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Speaker 1: you through everything that's going on there. Lanstorm joins us today.
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Speaker 1: OGN the show Brain Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live. Landstorm
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Speaker 1: While I check something here.
Speaker 10: We have I believe a sit down with Macklin and Santana,
Speaker 10: the Nemmouth Brothers against the Righteous. There is a Elena
Speaker 10: Black Jadas Stone match. What else is there? I believe
Speaker 10: there's a Frankie Kazarian Hometown Man match, and I'm blanking
Speaker 10: on what the other match would be, even though I
Speaker 10: just email someone about it.
Speaker 1: All right, I needed you to install for me because
Speaker 1: this story literally just came out this up here from
Speaker 1: Brandon Thurston at Post Wrestling Base ten, a company backed
Speaker 1: by aw owner Tony Kahn, placed a bid on WWE
Speaker 1: when it was up for sale in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: According to court filings, the merger and acquisition process, which
Speaker 1: was ultimately won by Endeavor and created it TKOS, the
Speaker 1: subject of an ongoing shareholder lawsuit. The complaint originally filed
Speaker 1: in the Delaware Chancery Court in of ever twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three has recently been redacted answers. Legal responses from the
Speaker 1: defendants to each paragraph of the complaint have also been redacted.
Speaker 1: These responses deny various aspects of the lawsuit's allegations, but
Speaker 1: firm the identity of the bidders, thereby disclosing the key
Speaker 1: suitors for WWE when it was put up for sale
Speaker 1: upon Vince McMahon's return of the company in January twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. The bidders were Formula one parent Liberty Media
Speaker 1: and private equity firm KKR, Endeavor, and Yes, Tony Khan's
Speaker 1: Base ten. Although Tony kin is not mentioned my name
Speaker 1: in the complaint, Base ten and All Elite Wrestling R
Speaker 1: and their connection is made clear. The filing states Base
Speaker 1: ten is the owner of All Elite Wrestling, a professional
Speaker 1: wrestling promotion that plainly would enjoy significant synergies with WWE.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Tony Khan was in fact one
Speaker 1: of four bidders for WWE in twenty twenty three, and
Speaker 1: it never happened, but he apparently put a bit in,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure there is more to come on that story,
Speaker 1: but there you go.
Speaker 10: Interesting considering the accusations that Vince didn't even look at
Speaker 10: the better deal, but went with the one that was
Speaker 10: best for him. If that wouldn't have been the case,
Speaker 10: would Base ten have got it?
Speaker 1: Would Base ten? My guess is there were probably others
Speaker 1: that bid significantly more anyway, but who knows. Who knows?
Speaker 10: Fun to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys all know the story of Shad Con
Speaker 1: and how he made all of his money. Does anyone
Speaker 1: know this story?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: So Apparently he came over like decades ago and he
Speaker 1: had no money, and I guess he like he was
Speaker 1: working for like some I have all the details. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be hey, you know, this's a plug for the
Speaker 1: new book. Yeah, but anyway, he was like working for
Speaker 1: like some car company or something like that, and he
Speaker 1: started working like he he created like bumpers on cars,
Speaker 1: and it like literally snowballed into like this billion dollar business.
Speaker 1: So he literally went from nothing to a billionaire. This
Speaker 1: Shad Con. This is not like you know, generational wealth
Speaker 1: going back deck kids or whatever. I mean, this guy
Speaker 1: came over here and he had nothing and the whole
Speaker 1: thing took out loans. I mean, it's a total American
Speaker 1: dream story. How he made how he made his billions.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I got the whole thing in the book
Speaker 1: that's coming out, which you can check out on Amazon
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Speaker 1: So a couple of things to get into here today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about dynamite later. But I don't like
Speaker 1: it one bit all. Actually, let me say it again
Speaker 1: because I said that at the beginning segment. I didn't
Speaker 1: like it. There were a few things I did like
Speaker 1: on the show. There were a couple of good matches,
Speaker 1: but it was I mean some of this stuff. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: if you like will Osbury going fifty to fifty with
Speaker 1: you know Blake Christian, who's literally in his entire and
Speaker 1: he goes back all the way to the darken elevation days.
Speaker 1: I know he just got signed, but he has never
Speaker 1: won a singles match on AW television ever, not one
Speaker 1: singles match whenever on AW television. And he went fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty with will Osprey. I didn't like it. But
Speaker 1: I think the thing the big thing to talk about
Speaker 1: on the show is and it was like it was
Speaker 1: like a show long storyline that wasn't it was like
Speaker 1: a shoot storyline. It was what was really going on.
Speaker 1: So they shot an injury angle for Tony Storm literally
Speaker 1: like ten minutes. It went online, like ten minutes before
Speaker 1: the show aired, and I don't think the announcers had
Speaker 1: any idea what was going on, because the show opens
Speaker 1: and both Brian Danielson and ex Caliber, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: like trying to explain something, and they are both lost
Speaker 1: to the point where Brian Danielson has to explain, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about something else. I didn't hear anything
Speaker 1: you just said. And what I think was actually happening
Speaker 1: was he was hearing one thing and ex Caliber was
Speaker 1: hearing one thing, and they were both trying to get
Speaker 1: all of this information out. And because something planned happened
Speaker 1: followed by something that happened unplanned, their stories were crossed because,
Speaker 1: like EXCaliber was explaining, Marina Shaffer is claiming she had
Speaker 1: no responsibility for knocking out Tony Storm, and he's talking
Speaker 1: about the pay per view angle, and meanwhile, they now
Speaker 1: did another angle where Tony has been mysteriously attacked, and
Speaker 1: I guess Marina's claiming she didn't do that one. But
Speaker 1: the wires are so crossed that poor ex Caliber's out
Speaker 1: there going Yeah, Marina's claiming she wasn't responsible for Tony
Speaker 1: being attacked to the pay per view, and it's like
Speaker 1: we all watched it, like with our own two eyes,
Speaker 1: we saw her attacker, Like what is going on? So
Speaker 1: and then if you if you listen to Observer Radio
Speaker 1: last night, you know, Marina faced Mina in a match
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be Tony versus Marina, and Tony
Speaker 1: was removed from the match for this back stage attack
Speaker 1: and Mina Shirakawall was put in her place. Okay. Mina
Speaker 1: Shirakawa also has not won a single televised singles match
Speaker 1: in almost a full year. She's just always like anything
Speaker 1: that's to do with Tony, like she's the setup person
Speaker 1: to get beat she gets beat here, she gets beat there,
Speaker 1: like she'll win in a ring of honor whatever. But
Speaker 1: on aw television, she's beaten, she's beaten, she's beaten, she's beaten.
Speaker 1: So she goes out there with Marina, who on Sunday
Speaker 1: Night was linked up with Ronda Rousey. Mina is Tony's
Speaker 1: replacement in this match, and Mina wins, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what why did Mina win this match? So I started
Speaker 1: to like try and figure out, okay, what's going on here,
Speaker 1: And the only thing that I could conclude was that
Speaker 1: Tony must be out a long time, because otherwise, if
Speaker 1: she's only god like a week, week or two or whatever,
Speaker 1: if it's a short term deal, or if it was
Speaker 1: an angle, okay, well Marina should beat Mina and then
Speaker 1: Tony shows up and then you do whatever you're doing
Speaker 1: Tony and Marina. So I figured the only possible explanation
Speaker 1: for Mina winning this match, because this makes no sense,
Speaker 1: is that Tony must be out for a long time,
Speaker 1: and presumably Mina is just going to take her place
Speaker 1: in whatever storyline they're doing with Marina and Ronda Rousey
Speaker 1: and whatever they're doing here. And as it turns out,
Speaker 1: I can at least confirm that at least part of
Speaker 1: that for sure is correct. Tony is out for a
Speaker 1: long time. So this was not an angle. This was
Speaker 1: not like a short term thing or whatever. She is
Speaker 1: going to be out for a long time. And so Mina,
Speaker 1: it appears, is now taking this Tony Storm role. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing with Ronda Rowsey, but
Speaker 1: Ronda clearly showed up in the pay per view for
Speaker 1: a reason, and that is she's trying to get over
Speaker 1: this fight, this Netflix fight with Gina Kurana, which is
Speaker 1: coming up in May. So I know that Dave is
Speaker 1: skeptical that Ronda's going to be doing more or a
Speaker 1: lot on television leading up to it, but I can't fathom,
Speaker 1: like that's why she's there, is to build up this
Speaker 1: whole thing with Gina Carano. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: she's going to do a tag match during training. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a little bit crazy, but I think a
Speaker 1: tag match, Ronda could probably go in there and not
Speaker 1: get hurt and not have to do a lot. That's
Speaker 1: a gamble, it is, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The second she appeared on that show on Sunday, they
Speaker 1: were rattling off everything they could about that Netflix stage.
Speaker 1: So clearly she's there for a reason, and I guess
Speaker 1: we'll find out if there's a tag match coming with
Speaker 1: Mina Shirakawa. But anyway, back in the mole with more
Speaker 1: Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: God, some days it's just like everything is happening all
Speaker 1: at the same time. All right, Well, I got at a
Speaker 1: wrestle Mania update. So it's hard to say what exactly
Speaker 1: is responsible for any of this. But in the time
Speaker 1: since Randy Orton turned heel on Cody after Cody won
Speaker 1: the title and WWE had that three sixteen sale where
Speaker 1: he could get thirty one point six percent off Mania tickets,
Speaker 1: whatever that deal was that they had a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, they have moved a bunch of tickets. So
Speaker 1: Night one is now at thirty nine thousand, four to
Speaker 1: twenty five, so they added two or three thousand tickets,
Speaker 1: and then Night two is currently at forty six eighty seven. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you'll be stunned to hear. Then lowering ticket prices moved
Speaker 1: more tickets for w WE. So this whole ticket thing
Speaker 1: is really weird. I've had a lot of discussions with
Speaker 1: people about this. You know, there is people are people,
Speaker 1: you know, really they are a lance. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're aware of this or not, but people are
Speaker 1: people are people, and uh, and and money is weird
Speaker 1: and uh, you know Veblen Goods, the old shebang. The
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is this, Okay, at WWE ticket
Speaker 1: prices are are too expensive. Okay, but it is it
Speaker 1: is it is this WrestleMania show where it's where it's
Speaker 1: really being affected. Okay, Raw on Monday night had like
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people. When I went to Ron Seattle, there
Speaker 1: were ten thousand some people in the building, and most
Speaker 1: of them had paid a lot of money for those tickets. Okay,
Speaker 1: So don't I listen. I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to pay like a ton of money to go
Speaker 1: to WrestleMania. But the fact is, what you pay for
Speaker 1: something is what the market will bear, Okay. And so
Speaker 1: you know, the fact of the matter is until this WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: what WWE was charging for ticket prices, it wasn't too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say whatever you want about what
Speaker 1: they cost and what they used to cost and this
Speaker 1: and that, and whether the company is horrible or not
Speaker 1: for charge, but the fact is they put tickets on
Speaker 1: sale at these prices and they sold all of them. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: you can keep raising prices, but eventually you get to
Speaker 1: the point where, all right, you've actually raised prices so
Speaker 1: high that even people who are willing to pay high
Speaker 1: price and want to go, they can't pay that much, okay,
Speaker 1: and so we seem to have hit that point in WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: You know, those tickets they just stalled out at thirty
Speaker 1: six for a long time, and it took them dropping
Speaker 1: the prices to start moving them again. Okay, But it's
Speaker 1: not like they dropped them to nothing. Now. I bring
Speaker 1: this up because AW their tickets are much cheaper, okay.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that AAW is doing is
Speaker 1: really promoting our tickets are cheap. Okay. And I know
Speaker 1: some fans they don't want to hear this, but listen,
Speaker 1: I've talked to this about people within AW that agree
Speaker 1: with me, within WWE that agree with me, and other
Speaker 1: forms of entertainment that also agree. It's really not a
Speaker 1: good thing to advertise that your tickets are cheap. It
Speaker 1: is a good thing to have cheaper tickets in the competition,
Speaker 1: but to actually advertise ties that fact sometimes that works
Speaker 1: against you because you do give the idea to fans
Speaker 1: that you're the secondary entertainment, You're the secondary wrestling promotion,
Speaker 1: you're the cheap wrestling promotion, and you really don't want
Speaker 1: to give people that impression. It's like, what do you
Speaker 1: mean in.
Speaker 10: Your house, in your house pay per views.
Speaker 1: Oh the yeah. I mean when they did those in
Speaker 1: your House pay per views and they advertised them as values,
Speaker 1: those did not do well, and in your House didn't
Speaker 1: really start making money and selling a lot of pay
Speaker 1: per views until they they like increased it to the
Speaker 1: price of all of the other pay per views because
Speaker 1: fans saw the cheaper show as a cheaper show. It's
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine or whatever. I'm not gonna like it
Speaker 1: can't be that big an event. So I think that
Speaker 1: AW should have cheaper ticket prices than WWE. I think
Speaker 1: they should price them to sell. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they should make them too cheap, like the gauge is
Speaker 1: this you selling tickets for an average of twenty five
Speaker 1: bucks a ticket, but like the scalpers buy them all
Speaker 1: up and then they sell them for fifty dollars. You
Speaker 1: should have been selling them for fifty bucks because that's
Speaker 1: what people are paying for them. But whatever you're whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing for ticket prices, I don't I do not
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a benefit to advertise we'll give
Speaker 1: you tickets for cheap. You should come to our show.
Speaker 1: I think that psychologically, you know you're gonna you know whatever,
Speaker 1: But I think that that works against you as as
Speaker 1: a promotion to advertise we're the cheap alternative to the
Speaker 1: ones that are selling these tickets for god only knows
Speaker 1: how much money. So anyway, rull, so many tickets are
Speaker 1: moving because they put him a little bit on sale.
Speaker 1: I don't have an update right now on Josh Alexander,
Speaker 1: but I hope he's all right. They did ah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't an angle. I mean they were doing a match
Speaker 1: for collision and he went down and he was taken
Speaker 1: out of the match and it is believed to be
Speaker 1: something involving his knee. And when I know more, I
Speaker 1: will let everybody know. But hopefully it is not serious,
Speaker 1: because that sucks. I don't like to see people hurt.
Speaker 1: Eric and Sarah Logan expecting their third child, Eric of
Speaker 1: the Viking Raiders, who this weekend will be facing the
Speaker 1: Clowns at Triple Mane in a match I can't wait
Speaker 1: to watch. This will be their third child, role baby
Speaker 1: number three, debuting this year.
Speaker 10: The Eric tweeted out short run in WW is a producer.
Speaker 10: Sarah Rowe is one of my favorite people. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: absolute sweetheart lover.
Speaker 1: Well she's she's got another another little package on the way,
Speaker 1: So congratulations to them. Very happy to hear that. Wrestle
Speaker 1: Votes noted that Braun Breaker may actually be able to return.
Speaker 1: Before wrestle Mania, Breaker did an angle on the February
Speaker 1: second edition of Raw, and he went wild about the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble spot where essentially he was a second entrant
Speaker 1: in the Rumble. He was taken out by a masked
Speaker 1: attacker and then he was eliminated by Obafemi, and so
Speaker 1: then he was going crazy on Raw. He flipped over
Speaker 1: thenounced table, and next thing you know, he's having surgery
Speaker 1: for a hernia, emergency surgery. So, for those of you
Speaker 1: that don't know what happened or are looking for conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: the reason that they did that at the Rumble had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with his hernia. The reason they did
Speaker 1: it in the Rumble was because they were expecting seth
Speaker 1: Rawlins to be back, and obviously seth Rollins would be
Speaker 1: the mask guy and the WrestleMania match was supposed to
Speaker 1: be Brown Breaker and seth Rawlins. Okay, so the next
Speaker 1: night when he flipped out on Raw and flipped that table,
Speaker 1: apparently that's when he injured himself. Now, he already had
Speaker 1: a hernia, he'd had it for a while, and I
Speaker 1: think what happened was flipping the table that's made it
Speaker 1: worse and necessitated the emergency surgery. And so if you've
Speaker 1: been watching raw of late or WWE at all, like
Speaker 1: this is one of the things when people are critical
Speaker 1: of the of the WrestleMania build. I'm not defending ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the WrestleMania build, but there is ten percent
Speaker 1: of the build that.
Speaker 10: Is just like, it's just injuries are killing him.
Speaker 1: It's not just injuries, but it's injuries. And is this
Speaker 1: person actually going to be back in time? Because at
Speaker 1: the last show, when Seth returned and he attacked Logan Paul,
Speaker 1: I think at that point the idea was actually, I
Speaker 1: can tell you like at the beginning, when Braun went down,
Speaker 1: the idea was initially, if Seth is back and Braun isn't,
Speaker 1: it's going to be Seth versus Bronson. Bronson then got hurt,
Speaker 1: and then the idea, I think was, all right, if
Speaker 1: Seth can make it back, it'll be Seth and Logan.
Speaker 1: Because he stomped Logan and cost him the elimination chamber
Speaker 1: and Initially Logan was like all over on Seth, you know,
Speaker 1: But then I think they probably figured actually Braun might
Speaker 1: make it back. And so now it looks like it's
Speaker 1: Logan and Theory are gonna be going after the tag
Speaker 1: team titles and whatever they're doing with Logan and Theory
Speaker 1: and the usos and whatever, it's possible that that is
Speaker 1: leading to something at WrestleMania, and now it actually will
Speaker 1: be Seth and Braun and WrestleMania, which was the original
Speaker 1: plan before everybody got hurt. So the path going to
Speaker 1: here up and down. A lot of that is, well,
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna make it? Is this guy hurt?
Speaker 1: Is this guy gonna recover in time? Is he not
Speaker 1: going to recover in time? If he doesn't, we do this.
Speaker 1: If he does, we do this. So I think that's
Speaker 1: where we're at right now.
Speaker 10: That's why they call the book or the pencil, not
Speaker 10: the pen Yes, don't te this stuff in ink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to be able to raise things. So
Speaker 1: that's what's looking to be the most likely media match now,
Speaker 1: Seth and Brawn Breaker, But we have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: There's also this Tom Brady thing. So Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: Logan Paul both involved with a fanatics flag football event
Speaker 1: that takes place this weekend. They've been going back and
Speaker 1: forth and uh Brady has been making fun of pro wrestlers,
Speaker 1: and this actually kind of ties into the whole Ricochet
Speaker 1: thing because the story is that Ricochet's comment. The story,
Speaker 1: according to Dave, is that Ricochet had a close friend
Speaker 1: contact him and tell him, you really should take take
Speaker 1: it down, and he did, and then later he apologized.
Speaker 1: And when I asked, last night, you know, you tell
Speaker 1: me nobody in AW told this guy, brother, what are
Speaker 1: you doing here? Let's take that down? Dave said, No,
Speaker 1: it does not appear that anybody in AW told him
Speaker 1: to do anything, which I am flabbergasted by, absolutely flabbergasted.
Speaker 1: And the point is this would never happen in WWE.
Speaker 1: And so with this Tom Brady thing, the fact that
Speaker 1: like other wrestlers are now getting involved in burying Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: that's not something they're doing on their own. There is
Speaker 1: a method to this madness, and clearly the method is
Speaker 1: they're trying to get Tom Brady to wrestle me again.
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Speaker 1: Like the show Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive, Lance
Speaker 1: is joining us here today, Lance, what did you think
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 10: This show, this dynamite show.
Speaker 2: It was not for me.
Speaker 10: I did not make it all the way through. I
Speaker 10: to me, there is an access to it that does
Speaker 10: not fit my tastes in wrestling, I had heard of
Speaker 10: the Insane Texas Death Match and okay, and then on
Speaker 10: this show we have the insanity of car crashes and
Speaker 10: attempted murders, almost in coffin matches, and then a hardcore
Speaker 10: match with barbed wire bats, and I'm just like, this
Speaker 10: is too much and not what I enjoy in wrestling.
Speaker 10: So I watch some of it, but just thought it
Speaker 10: was too much.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say that as someone who watches every show,
Speaker 1: this was the worst Dynamite I can remember in a
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, I can't remember the last Dynamite
Speaker 1: I didn't like as much as this one. There was
Speaker 1: still some stuff on the show that I liked, but
Speaker 1: in general, you know, it opened up with will Ospray
Speaker 1: and Blake Christian and you know, in a vacuum. If
Speaker 1: you showed this as somebody who doesn't watch anything, they'd
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, good fun action match. But it's like
Speaker 1: will Ospray's first match back. I mean they didn't even
Speaker 1: when will Osprey returned. They did the surprise return. I
Speaker 1: mean they didn't even announce on the show, like at
Speaker 1: the end of the pay per view, Hey, will Ospray's
Speaker 1: first match back is gonna be on Wednesday. It was
Speaker 1: like he's been out for six months. And on Tuesday
Speaker 1: on social media they're like, hey, he's wrestling on dynamite, Like,
Speaker 1: could you get less out of the Return of Will
Speaker 1: than you actually did.
Speaker 10: The other thing that really bothered me with this match
Speaker 10: is right at the beginning, he takes the DDT from
Speaker 10: Christian and like the ref steps in and pulls Blake
Speaker 10: Christian off to make and it's like, is he cleared
Speaker 10: or not? Like it's not in the rules that well,
Speaker 10: if he has a bad neck and might have hurt
Speaker 10: his neck, we prevent someone from continually beat him up.
Speaker 10: It's like we shouldn't be questioning his health and whether
Speaker 10: he's going to be crippled due to this broken neck.
Speaker 10: In his first match back against Blake Christian.
Speaker 1: Broll his first match back, he had his neck all
Speaker 1: taped up.
Speaker 10: Well, if he needs that and it helps, I'm okay
Speaker 10: with it. Like, yeah, personally I wish it wasn't tape,
Speaker 10: but if it helps, tape. But it's like, to me,
Speaker 10: he should have it should have been a highlighted you know, ex,
Speaker 10: Just a highlight reel for Will to remind people how
Speaker 10: great he is. You let Blake Christian stop him enough
Speaker 10: and hit him with make a d d or something.
Speaker 10: Have will work through it fine, come right back and
Speaker 10: win the match to say yes, he's healthy, his neck
Speaker 10: is not fragile. And then again when he gets to
Speaker 10: a big match, it's like, maybe you can question the
Speaker 10: Oh Jesus, it's serious, but Blake Christian shouldn't be getting
Speaker 10: two and nine eighths in ear falls on one of
Speaker 10: the best in the world and having us question whether
Speaker 10: he's healthy enough to survive a match with a guy
Speaker 10: who's very talented but like you say, has never won
Speaker 10: a singles match in aw television.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: And then they do the angle afterwards with Moxley, which
Speaker 1: is all fine and good because in the storyline Moxie
Speaker 1: and his crew put him out of action, but it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: John Moxley's one of the biggest stars in the entire company,
Speaker 1: so why do you proceed that attack with will Ospray
Speaker 1: going fifty to fifty with Blake Christian? But they did.
Speaker 1: They brawled to the back. Then we had a Moxy
Speaker 1: and Universe as Juice and as Austin. I like this match.
Speaker 1: It was a good match, and it was like there
Speaker 1: was a guy dressed as is Jesus in the crowd
Speaker 1: and this guy was so mad at Moxley, he flips
Speaker 1: him off, he drops an F bomb.
Speaker 10: Are you sure he was just dressed?
Speaker 1: He might have been.
Speaker 10: Jesus here there's talk of a rapture again. Maybe he
Speaker 10: was the real deal.
Speaker 1: It could have been he didn't like John Moxley. John
Speaker 1: better start praying. So then we had by far the
Speaker 1: worst thing on the show, one of the worst things
Speaker 1: in a long time, and that is Gabe Kid and
Speaker 1: Darby in what is advertised as a coffin match. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was one of those matches where I was watching
Speaker 1: it and like sometimes you watch a match and then
Speaker 1: like it's over, and then you know it kind of
Speaker 1: starts getting some momentum and social media or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then later you realize, man, I really watched something historic
Speaker 1: right there. It's one of those matches. As it's going on,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, people are gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about this match for decades, and not in a good way.
Speaker 1: In the middle of Revolution or in the middle of
Speaker 1: of Dynamite, Gabe Kid says, I'm not waiting for the ring.
Speaker 1: Let's start this coffin match in the parking lot. So
Speaker 1: they go to the parking lot and uh, and Gabe
Speaker 1: just a taxis guy, and he starts power bombing him
Speaker 1: on this car.
Speaker 10: Darby tried to run him over.
Speaker 1: They tried, well, I mean that's just par for the course.
Speaker 1: So he's pounding on him. He's power bombing into the
Speaker 1: car or whatever, and then Darby manages to put an
Speaker 1: ether soaked rag on his face, throw him in the
Speaker 1: trunk of the car. He jumps in the car, they
Speaker 1: do the jump cut, the car backs up, and then
Speaker 1: the car goes driving up this garbage ramp and flips
Speaker 1: over and crashes and like they're dead, but of course
Speaker 1: they're not. So it's everything about this was so bad.
Speaker 1: So the car flips and you know here in the
Speaker 1: ouncer going, oh my god, the announcer like just gotten nuttier.
Speaker 1: That literally was Tony. That was Tony Schavani's exact line.
Speaker 1: And it's quietly as I said it, and it just
Speaker 1: got nuttier, he says. So you know, the crowd's like
Speaker 1: dead silent for this. Then the door opens and Darby
Speaker 1: falls out. Then the trunk opens and and Gabe kid
Speaker 1: falls out of the trunk and you hear the audience
Speaker 1: start laughing. So Darby puts him on this trunk and
Speaker 1: he just starts rolling towards the building. They come back
Speaker 1: to the building. The building's just like dead, silent. The
Speaker 1: ring's right there. The announcers are like, man, that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: What just happened. Yeah, car flipped over. I mean they're
Speaker 1: just like it was like somebody put on a headlock.
Speaker 1: So Darby finally pushes this guy back to the ring
Speaker 1: and the coffin's right there, and they're they're playing it
Speaker 1: up like Gabe Kid is dead, like he's literally dead,
Speaker 1: he's unconscious, Okay. Darby then goes and he starts getting
Speaker 1: a straight jacket. He starts putting the straight jacket on
Speaker 1: Game Kid, and it doesn't matter at this point because
Speaker 1: whether it's front or back, the arms don't get like
Speaker 1: so like Gabe Kids got arms. But anyway, Brian Danielson's like,
Speaker 1: the coffin's right there, he's dead. Just put him in
Speaker 1: the coffin and win. But no, Darby has to put
Speaker 1: the straight jacket on him. So now the guy starts
Speaker 1: coming back to life and he throws Darby to the steps.
Speaker 1: Darby's bleeding. So we then get a guy in a
Speaker 1: straight jacket who, however, still has his arms beating the
Speaker 1: heck out of Darby El and he's beating him. He's
Speaker 1: beating him, he's beating him. So they go to commercial
Speaker 1: and they come back, and sometime during the commercial, his
Speaker 1: arms actually got you know, restrain the way they're supposed to.
Speaker 1: So now Gabe Kid has no arms and he's sitting
Speaker 1: on the top turn buckle and Darby's beaten on this
Speaker 1: guy with no arms. And then, as God is my witness,
Speaker 1: the guy with no arms starts making the heel by
Speaker 1: the way with no arms starts making a babyface comeback armless,
Speaker 1: he's beating up Darby. I'm like what am I watching?
Speaker 1: And the crowd's dead. And then finally they do some
Speaker 1: spother on the apron and Darby like cannonballs this guy
Speaker 1: and he falls into the coffin and the lid and
Speaker 1: Darby wins, and I was like, oh my god. It
Speaker 1: started with a car wreck, it ended with a wrestling
Speaker 1: match where a one armed heel was beating up no
Speaker 1: arm heel, a no arm heel. Oh my god. And
Speaker 1: then after all that, the crowd is just dead for
Speaker 1: all of this, and poor Darby has to cut a
Speaker 1: promo about how he wants the world title and nobody cares.
Speaker 1: I was like that that was a catastrophic moment on
Speaker 1: the show. Then we get a goofy sitcom deal with
Speaker 1: Luke Perry and Lucasaurus and the Young Bucks, and.
Speaker 10: Can I just say, and this is from personal experience,
Speaker 10: no one gets over in a theme painted school bus.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, he fed a squirrel? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then Ju then swerved as a promo. So earlier in
Speaker 1: the show, Kenny Omega had done a promo and he said,
Speaker 1: swerve after his win this weekend, is now the number
Speaker 1: one contender? I said, what that was the number one
Speaker 1: contenders match? Since when they never advertised as such. It
Speaker 1: was never announced as such, like you're gaslighting me here.
Speaker 1: So then they go to swerve and swerve, I swear
Speaker 1: to god does a promo saying unbannounced to me, I
Speaker 1: am now the number one contender. He didn't know. So
Speaker 1: then he says, well, let's do this again next week,
Speaker 1: me and you. I will put my number one contendership
Speaker 1: on the line, but you have to put your EVP
Speaker 1: status on the line. And by the way, like six
Speaker 1: months ago, they did an angle where the Young Bucks
Speaker 1: faced I think it was a Swerve and Hangman maybe
Speaker 1: or who or maybe it was Awspray, but anyway, the
Speaker 1: point was at that point Swerf wanted absolutely nothing to
Speaker 1: do with being an EVP. Now he wants it, so
Speaker 1: he has put his imaginary number one contendership that he
Speaker 1: didn't know about on the line against an EVP. I
Speaker 1: was like, who is right? Is this a Vince Russo show?
Speaker 1: Where did all of this come from? So that's on
Speaker 1: the line for next week. All of that, Speedball says
Speaker 1: he wants the world title and then he beat Mark Davis.
Speaker 1: His match was I mean, it was well executed, but
Speaker 1: it was just absolutely not a marquee match, and as
Speaker 1: a follow up for the pay per view, it just
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, you know, we just needed
Speaker 1: a banger. That's literally the only reasons is here. The
Speaker 1: MJF promo was one of the better things on the show,
Speaker 1: and it was notable because he said, I just turned thirty.
Speaker 1: What a way to celebrate. My goal is to go
Speaker 1: down as the greatest of all time. I got twenty
Speaker 1: years to get there, and there was only one guy
Speaker 1: in this company that was really standing in my way,
Speaker 1: and it was Hangman and my biggest threat you're off
Speaker 1: the board. He says, I got twenty years and you're
Speaker 1: just stuck in the mid card. And right there it
Speaker 1: was so obvious. Hangman's just breaking the step. That's what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. For those of you that think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Tony's just never gonna have him in
Speaker 1: the world time, Nope, he's breaking that stip.
Speaker 5: Brother.
Speaker 1: I don't know when, might be, might be six months,
Speaker 1: might be a year, but he's breaking that step.
Speaker 10: Might be tomorrow, o for all you know.
Speaker 1: It could be tomorrow, for all we know. And then
Speaker 1: we had the Mina Marina match, which we talked about,
Speaker 1: and then the main event was the Young Bucks and
Speaker 1: Jack Perry versus Socata, Rocky and Trent, and a good
Speaker 1: main event match. You know, finish was never in doubt.
Speaker 1: The Young Bucks pin Rocky Romero as we all figured
Speaker 1: after Jack hit the running knee, and then Nick cut
Speaker 1: a promo all sad about losing this weekend, this past
Speaker 1: weekend in front of their family, and and they said,
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna If we have to start
Speaker 1: from the bottom and work our way back up, that's
Speaker 1: what we'll do. But there's nobody in this company going
Speaker 1: to stand in our way. So of course out come
Speaker 1: Copeland Christian, and Copeland cuts a promo about how FTR
Speaker 1: injured his wife seriously, but she's now out the woods,
Speaker 1: and so now he's back and he's got to take
Speaker 1: care of business. And they could do something physical, they
Speaker 1: could break necks or faces or whatever, but the aw
Speaker 1: tag team titles are more important to FTR than their
Speaker 1: own families, and so they're gonna take those away from
Speaker 1: them at Dynasty in Vancouver the Sunday before WrestleMania, and
Speaker 1: of course FTR comes to the ring and these two
Speaker 1: heels get in the ring and four babyfaces quadruple team them,
Speaker 1: hit them in the nuts and send them packing, and
Speaker 1: that was how the show went off the air. So
Speaker 1: I like the main event wrestling, you know what they're
Speaker 1: doing with Copeland and Christian, and I mean, first it'll
Speaker 1: be FTR, which feels like a big match for the
Speaker 1: tag titles in Canada, which, by the way, the fact
Speaker 1: that it's in Canada, I'm pretty sure Kiddy Omega's beaten Swerve.
Speaker 1: But then Bucks and Copeland and Christian for down the Line,
Speaker 1: you know, that feels like a big match as well.
Speaker 1: So there's some good things you can see, like down
Speaker 1: the road, but like as a follow up to Revolution, which,
Speaker 1: aside from everything involving the main event, the length, the
Speaker 1: I mean, it probably was the greatest aw pay per
Speaker 1: view they've ever had. This was a horrific follow up
Speaker 1: to that show. For being honest, So yeah, that was that.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to talk about.
Speaker 10: No, I think that pretty much covers it.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we're gonna do break everybody and when we
Speaker 1: come back. We got a couple of other news notes.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: So on the front page, it says here that according
Speaker 1: to Thurston's math, the bid that Tony Kahn's company put
Speaker 1: in for WWE was six point nine billion, was the bid,
Speaker 1: and of the four competitors, it was the lowest bid.
Speaker 1: Endeavor eight point five billion, Liberty Media eight point five
Speaker 1: to eight point nine and KKR eight to eight point
Speaker 1: seven billion, so actually the winner eight point five So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually not correct. Liberty and KKR both bid more
Speaker 1: than Endeavor, So that's probably why there's a lawsuit, right
Speaker 1: now why did you go with endeavor if two other
Speaker 1: places offered more money? But anyway, I want to mention
Speaker 1: one thing. I'll talk about this more than the Bran
Speaker 1: and Vinie show last night, but I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this whole Hangman thing, and uh, you know the one
Speaker 1: thing that people figured, how are they going to break
Speaker 1: this stip You mentioned it, everyone brought it up. Well,
Speaker 1: Hangman just gave his word, and so obviously the option
Speaker 1: is he turns heel and breaks his word and gets
Speaker 1: the title. Okay, well, let's just say that's the way
Speaker 1: they go. The issue to me is because of the
Speaker 1: stipulation and the fact that the reason that we're supposed
Speaker 1: to believe he won't break it is because he's a
Speaker 1: man of honor, right, and by breaking it, he's no
Speaker 1: longer a man of his words. So he's a heel. Well,
Speaker 1: that kind of means that he can never actually challenge
Speaker 1: for the title as a babyface ever again, right, like
Speaker 1: we can never have a babyface Hangman is champion unless
Speaker 1: somehow he wins the belts as a heel and then
Speaker 1: at some point goes babyface. But like, let's say he
Speaker 1: wins it as a heel, because he's not a man
Speaker 1: of his word, and then he loses the belt. At
Speaker 1: that point, I mean, he's still supposed to be a
Speaker 1: man of his word. Is a babyface, So is he
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, well, I broke, I brought I'm
Speaker 1: still a man of my word because he's already been broken,
Speaker 1: so now I can challenge for the title again as
Speaker 1: a baby face. They've kind of like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think this is a really stupid idea to stick.
Speaker 1: Have I mentioned that. I think it's dumb, But anyway,
Speaker 1: let it play out. Everybody says like that Max castor
Speaker 1: Anthony Bowen's storyline that I sat through for two years
Speaker 1: and went nowhere. All right, we'll see you tonight on
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