Speaker 1: Adam. Caroline, she's a queen and talking a song. She's
Speaker 1: getting really not afraid to face episode, so just let
Speaker 1: it blow. No one can do wequid Caroline. He's sound
Speaker 1: with Caroline. Okay, Caroline Monsig, welcome to get real. Hi Caroline,
Speaker 1: Hi Caroline, the Caroline, the Caroline's.
Speaker 2: You know, I was telling you briefly, my best friend
Speaker 2: growing up was named Caroline, and we were the Carolines.
Speaker 2: And I haven't met many other Carolines. Have you They're
Speaker 2: special and no I haven't, but I feel that way.
Speaker 2: You and I were just talking about this because he
Speaker 2: actually just wrote a song with Caroline in it, and
Speaker 2: I told him, I was like, it's gotta be your
Speaker 2: best song ever, because not just because of my name,
Speaker 2: but every Caroline song is a smash.
Speaker 1: It is, you know, sweet Caroline and then Caroline. This's
Speaker 1: the culture wall Caroline. Okay, you know there's a ton
Speaker 1: of them's a lot of Okay, so what is it?
Speaker 1: Do you love the song? I do? So? He did good?
Speaker 1: He did good? Okay, don't mess this up? All right?
Speaker 2: Okay, your husband's Ian munsick. You guys are quite the
Speaker 2: power couple. It's a lot you got a lot going
Speaker 2: on with him. I do married, I got a baby,
Speaker 2: Crawford he's four, had his birthday at the opry. That's
Speaker 2: pretty freaking cool at Ian munsick. He's on the rise,
Speaker 2: like blowing up thanks to his hot wife.
Speaker 3: He's pretty talented, so he makes it easy. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I was telling you, like my head's about to fall off.
Speaker 3: But we're doing good. We're making it.
Speaker 2: So you're manager to Ian, mom to Crawford, and wife
Speaker 2: to Ian.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot with
Speaker 1: like your family, it is. But I think we do
Speaker 1: better together then we do a part. I love that.
Speaker 3: I know, like I'll notice Ian and I getting more
Speaker 3: into like little arguments or whatever if we're like apart
Speaker 3: from each other because we're so used to just working together,
Speaker 3: you know, so we just do better together.
Speaker 1: But it is a lot. Sometimes I need my space.
Speaker 1: I'm always like I need some space. I don't manage Michael.
Speaker 2: But we spend a lot of time together too, and
Speaker 2: we're like a couple that like we're always together.
Speaker 1: People are like go on.
Speaker 2: Date nights to keep your marriage hot and stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 2: we are talking all the time, Like if we go
Speaker 2: to date night, Like, I don't know how to even
Speaker 2: like not.
Speaker 1: Just talk about like career life all the things all
Speaker 1: the time. How do you separate the two.
Speaker 3: That is one of our Like we were just talking
Speaker 3: about it this morning, was I was like, we got
Speaker 3: to stop talking about work when we just like go
Speaker 3: out to eat.
Speaker 1: But what else is there talking? And that's all that's
Speaker 1: in our mind, literally Crawford and work. But it's all consuming.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: It is consuming, and we're just trying to get through it.
Speaker 3: So you know, hopefully ten years from now we can
Speaker 3: talk about I don't know, guard me, who knows what. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm going to be one of.
Speaker 2: Those cook I don't cook it at all. I'm like
Speaker 2: people who enjoy cooking. I'm like, it's one more task
Speaker 2: to do and then you've got to read all these
Speaker 2: instructions and then follow it. I don't find it relaxing.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, it's so relaxing.
Speaker 3: I know, it's just the part you have to go
Speaker 3: to the grocery store and find every little ingredient and
Speaker 3: then you're wasting half the ingredients because you're never using
Speaker 3: them again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, what do y'all do? For dinner.
Speaker 3: Well, Crawford's on little spoons that little like health baby
Speaker 3: food they deliver dinners.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing. Okay, okay, hey little spoons. I know
Speaker 1: we are don't have to think of Is he like
Speaker 1: all the stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's great. He's been on it since he's
Speaker 3: a baby. They have like the baby food all the
Speaker 3: way up to toddler meals. And it makes my life
Speaker 3: easier because I know he's eating healthy when I'm out
Speaker 3: on the road, Like he comes out on the road
Speaker 3: and you know how that is, like you're eating pizza
Speaker 3: and whatever.
Speaker 1: Exactly. So he's taken care of. That's a relief. And
Speaker 1: I'm smart. Yeah, Ian and I are just figuring out
Speaker 1: what we can whatever you can throw in your mouth,
Speaker 1: I know you that. Yeah. Okay, so you went to Belmont. Yes,
Speaker 1: I went to Belmont.
Speaker 2: Really I didn't know that, Yes, much many years before you.
Speaker 1: I'm forty. Well you look so freaking hot. Well thank
Speaker 1: you you look so hot. Thanks. I mean I love
Speaker 1: that you got the long blonde hair. I went dark.
Speaker 2: I cut my hair dark and dyed it brown last
Speaker 2: year because I was having even life crisis. And then
Speaker 2: I was like, why did I do that I need
Speaker 2: to grow back on go blonde. I just feel more
Speaker 2: myself being blonde. Yeah, have you been dark before you
Speaker 2: went dark?
Speaker 1: Dark? I die in my hair black.
Speaker 3: That's my issue is like if I go dark, I'm
Speaker 3: like all the way be darker, and then you gotta
Speaker 3: have a spray tan and then it's.
Speaker 1: Like a lot.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like a different person was dark hair? Yeah,
Speaker 2: me too, like way different.
Speaker 1: I feel way cooler. But I know, but I feel
Speaker 1: more myself blonde exactly, and it's easier, like less maintenance.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: People think one is more maintenance, but tell me why
Speaker 2: it's less because I feel the same because.
Speaker 3: I'm naturally blonde, so like my roots would literally look
Speaker 3: like I'm balding if I didn't have like touch it
Speaker 3: up black like every three weeks, you know. And I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't be getting my hair done.
Speaker 1: This off too much. Yeah, but I did like it.
Speaker 1: It was a vibe. It's fun.
Speaker 2: I did something prompt you to go dark. I'm always prompted,
Speaker 2: like by my life.
Speaker 1: I'm sure at that point, who knows what it was
Speaker 1: a breakup or did you and Ian breakup? No? I
Speaker 1: mean before him. I think I so I died it.
Speaker 1: Ian and I weren't together until you became pregnant.
Speaker 2: You had a baby and your stomach, and we didn't
Speaker 2: address this because Ian went on the Bobby Cast and
Speaker 2: was like, I know, we did not all the tea.
Speaker 1: He heard all the tea.
Speaker 2: He's like Caroline and I did not announce our marriage
Speaker 2: until she was popping.
Speaker 1: I know, pregnant. I know. So I started managing Ian.
Speaker 1: No married Artie or No, No, I did it backwards. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you know he needs a formula. Do it
Speaker 1: the way it works for you exactly. I started managing
Speaker 1: him in twenty seventeen at the beginning. So you were
Speaker 1: how old. I don't know what is it. I'm twenty
Speaker 1: nine and it's twenty twenty four now. So you were
Speaker 1: a confident woman. The fact that you even like knew
Speaker 1: how to do that. I didn't. Yeah, but you did.
Speaker 2: But you had the inner guy, your north star was
Speaker 2: like I can do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a lot of strong gut instincts. So
Speaker 3: I you know, I feel like that's one thing that's
Speaker 3: always guided me. It's like if I feel like I
Speaker 3: can feel it in my body, I'm like I can
Speaker 3: do this, or I believe in that, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you saw Ian and you're like, I feel
Speaker 2: this in my body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really feel like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's that woman intuition thing.
Speaker 2: What was it when you saw him, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're the one that well you love with them right away?
Speaker 1: No, okay, this talent. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I met him at Belmont and I didn't really
Speaker 3: know him. I was interning for a country artist at
Speaker 3: the time and they needed a bass player and Ian
Speaker 3: wasn't an artist when I first met him. He was
Speaker 3: playing bass in other people's bands. So I saw him
Speaker 3: do the country showcase at Belmont and she's playing bass
Speaker 3: for a guy named Carlton Anderson, and I was like,
Speaker 3: he sings harmony and bass. Let me like Facebook message
Speaker 3: him and see if he wants to go on the
Speaker 3: road with this guy. And he did and I ended
Speaker 3: up stop interning for the one guy. So I never
Speaker 3: really even got to like connect with him, but I
Speaker 3: got him his first like touring gig.
Speaker 1: You got eating his first touring gig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was crazy. You were kind of interning
Speaker 2: for a manager, yeah, so you was that.
Speaker 3: I was more like just I was interning in everything
Speaker 3: I could get my hands on to, like figure I
Speaker 3: didn't you know when I was about I had no
Speaker 3: clue what part of the music industry I wanted to
Speaker 3: be in.
Speaker 1: I just knew I wanted to be in it. And
Speaker 1: where'd you come from? I did come from. I grew up.
Speaker 3: Between Ohio and North Carolina, so I pretty much Charlotte,
Speaker 3: North Carolina's like where I went to high school and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you just knew you wanted to be in country music,
Speaker 1: not singing or anything. You wanted to be on the
Speaker 1: business side, Yeah, business side, you knew. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I also so you know, growing up in Charlotte,
Speaker 3: like the thing to do was go to country concerts,
Speaker 3: you know, like that was like the highlight of everything,
Speaker 3: you know, growing up. So I was like, I want
Speaker 3: to do this. I went and visited Nashville. I was like,
Speaker 3: I want to be in Nashville. Don't know how I'm
Speaker 3: going to get into this, but I know I need
Speaker 3: to be there. So I applied to Belmont and that
Speaker 3: was the only school I applied to. Thank god I
Speaker 3: got in, and you know, I was like, see you later,
Speaker 3: did you like Belmont?
Speaker 1: I did? I mean, you know, it's at the end
Speaker 1: of music Row, I was like, at least I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, do you feel like the internships really
Speaker 2: helped you get your foot in the door to like.
Speaker 1: Totally, I think it.
Speaker 3: You know, you just gotta test the waters and see
Speaker 3: what you're into and just it's more of a learning thing.
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people don't do
Speaker 1: that anymore.
Speaker 3: Like I think everyone thinks they deserve to be paid
Speaker 3: right away. Yeah, And I'm like, you guys got to
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's just what I did to kind of
Speaker 1: figure it out.
Speaker 2: But Okay, so you saw Ian, You're like you seeing
Speaker 2: you play bass, you do harmonies, go on the road
Speaker 2: with this guy, yep.
Speaker 3: And then we went our separate ways for a few years.
Speaker 3: Like I maybe saw him in class, like he's says,
Speaker 3: I had a class with him and whatever.
Speaker 1: He passed you. He basically got you through college, but
Speaker 1: you cheated got I was like, wait, hold up, I
Speaker 1: had better grades than you. I just didn't have to
Speaker 1: try as hard because you just so you just check
Speaker 1: on Ian's paper, Sure did I really I was one
Speaker 1: of those kids.
Speaker 3: I was like, it was hard for me to be
Speaker 3: in school. I wanted to be out in like hands
Speaker 3: on and obviously I learned a ton being at Belmont,
Speaker 3: you know, learning all the copyright stuff.
Speaker 1: And things that t Yeah, exactly, but so it was
Speaker 1: off in the long run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely pays off, but I was it was
Speaker 3: hard for me to stay focused when you know, Nashville
Speaker 3: is your playground and you're like, I need to get
Speaker 3: out of here. But and Ian was one of those
Speaker 3: kids that he was very much a part of the
Speaker 3: Belmont like community. Like he had like a college band
Speaker 3: with his friends, and like, you know, and I think I.
Speaker 1: Just wasn't our.
Speaker 3: See, you're talented, and that's like, I'm creative in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways, but I'm not a singer or can
Speaker 3: play an instrument, and I think that's a lot of
Speaker 3: what the Belmont community is, you know. So I got
Speaker 3: out of it when I could, But we one are
Speaker 3: separate ways. I went on tour with a metal rock band.
Speaker 1: Yes, you did metal rock band? You're so awesome? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh god, who was it called? Asking Alexandria? What is
Speaker 1: what is what is there? What is their vibe? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean they're really big in that genre. But I
Speaker 3: met the lead singer and he is like, hey, do
Speaker 3: you want to come help me out on the road?
Speaker 1: And I was like sure.
Speaker 3: So that was a fun call because I called my
Speaker 3: dad and said, hey, I'm dropping out of college to
Speaker 3: go on the road.
Speaker 1: With these guys. What did you do for them? So assistant? TM,
Speaker 1: I mean everything you could think of. What does the
Speaker 1: mad world like out there on the road? Wild? Nice?
Speaker 1: I know the country were like the time out there?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is? It? Is it fun? Oh? Yeah? Is it?
Speaker 1: I mean intense? It's a party. It's a party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a party. People just screaming all the time. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like I wash pits, stage diving, Like do people get hurt? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's wild, it's it was. It was a
Speaker 1: great experience.
Speaker 3: I did it for a year, but I was like
Speaker 3: when I was done with it, I was like, I
Speaker 3: need to get back to country music.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, Morgan Morgan, Yes, I just have a question.
Speaker 1: What was your craziest story from your time on the
Speaker 1: road with asking Alexandria. I don't know if it's appropriate,
Speaker 1: it's always appropriate, it's appropriate. Tell us Caroline, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I really can't like that's how bad it is.
Speaker 2: But like in what area can't you tell us? Is
Speaker 2: it having to do with like people getting down each other?
Speaker 3: No, I mean it was all fun like, but I
Speaker 3: mean there, I would say one of the funnest things
Speaker 3: for me on tour was them with them was I
Speaker 3: like got to stage and that was like the craziest
Speaker 3: thing ever.
Speaker 1: You know, you just have to trust that people are
Speaker 1: gonna catch you. Yeah, And I mean it was so
Speaker 1: much fun. I mean it was wild. Is it liberating,
Speaker 1: I guess all these hands. Yeah, I mean you're just
Speaker 1: like it's just fun.
Speaker 3: You're literally like dive off stage and people catch you.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. And I never thought I would get to
Speaker 3: do that because I'm not only saying of anything, but yeah,
Speaker 3: that whole camp was They're just good people and really fun.
Speaker 1: So okay, are they still banned? Yeah they are, Oh
Speaker 1: go go them?
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, so you're like, Okay, metal is great, lots
Speaker 2: of crazy stories.
Speaker 3: I really just wanted the tour experience, you know, being
Speaker 3: able to be on a tour bus and rock is
Speaker 3: way more hardcore than country, and the fact that you're
Speaker 3: out for a year, you know, you don't come home,
Speaker 3: whereas country is more like weekend warrior stuff. So just
Speaker 3: having a crash course on being able to live and
Speaker 3: get used to being on a bus with how however
Speaker 3: many dudes you got to like get used to it.
Speaker 3: But I'm very glad I had that experience before going
Speaker 3: into Ian because I don't think I would have, you know,
Speaker 3: been as prepared.
Speaker 2: To see it firsthand, especially like you said, it's a
Speaker 2: little more intense, a little more hardcore. Is that when
Speaker 2: you kind of realized, Okay, managing is where I really
Speaker 2: feel like I could shine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I kind of was like, I can figure
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 3: So when I got done with that, I came back
Speaker 3: and I started, not a public figure, which was at the.
Speaker 1: Beginning of it, a brand and management company.
Speaker 3: I've always been really into like style and fashion and
Speaker 3: things like that, so I kind of had a clothing
Speaker 3: line attached.
Speaker 1: To what I knew wanted. I wanted to become a
Speaker 1: management company, Okay, and what what was the clothing?
Speaker 3: Like, I mean it was like vintage, like cool. I'll
Speaker 3: show you some pictures, but I mean I have yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people were wearing it like
Speaker 3: I had. Like Luke Combs and Nicole Combs came and
Speaker 3: did a photo shoot, I had, you know, tons of people.
Speaker 1: You're just a little hustler. You get good ideas and
Speaker 1: you get it going. Yeah, I mean everyone gets their
Speaker 1: ideas to life.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people have ideas and then they
Speaker 2: never get born into the world. Yeah, you're like, I
Speaker 2: got idea, I'm gonna go hone my craft and then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna birth it to the world and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be awesome.
Speaker 1: I gotta get it out of my brain or I'm
Speaker 1: like go crazy. So yeah, I did that.
Speaker 3: But and I've in my mind, I was like, if
Speaker 3: I can bring attention to just not a public figure itself,
Speaker 3: whoever artists I try to bring up, it'll help the
Speaker 3: cause because you know, I'm a young girl that knows
Speaker 3: nothing really, so who's gonna take me seriously?
Speaker 1: You know? But I reconnected with Ian. I was in
Speaker 1: tin roof with Travis Tritt and his fan.
Speaker 3: I became friends with them and they're great, and their son,
Speaker 3: Tristan came up to me and was like, you need
Speaker 3: to check out this guy. He's so great and showed
Speaker 3: me a song called Horses Are Faster on YouTube and
Speaker 3: I said Ian musick, and I was like, I know him.
Speaker 1: I know him actually got him started. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: like no way. I was like, oh my gosh. And
Speaker 1: they're like, you know him, and I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: They're like, we tried to reach out to him, but
Speaker 1: he didn't get back to us. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's weird. Let me. I was like, So I called Ian,
Speaker 1: like out of the blue, Travis Tritz Bailey was trying
Speaker 1: to reach out to him. Yeah, he can't get back
Speaker 1: to Travis Tritz family. Ian, what you're doing? Ian thought
Speaker 1: it was fake, so not really calling me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I called Ian from tin Roof and
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the weirdest thing ever, but
Speaker 3: you need to come to ten Roof right now.
Speaker 1: So and so is here and they're big fans. I
Speaker 1: was like, they would love to meet and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's real. Like so that was that whole conversation. Did
Speaker 1: anything come from that?
Speaker 3: I mean, Travis actually did when a cover of with
Speaker 3: Ian when he was very first starting out.
Speaker 1: So kay, cool.
Speaker 3: Your family definitely was very supportive about the beginning and
Speaker 3: just there's the nicest people.
Speaker 2: Those kind of things are just sort of like nods
Speaker 2: to you that I feel like, Okay, we're on the
Speaker 2: right path here. Yeah, you know, like this is this
Speaker 2: is this is good. Yeah, getting confirmation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all kind of making sense. So Ian and
Speaker 3: I connected, and then from there I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I want to start this. You know, obviously you have
Speaker 3: something going on and I believe in you. Let's make
Speaker 3: you your own artist.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So then how did that start? What was the process?
Speaker 1: And he was like hell yeah yeah. I mean he
Speaker 1: didn't have an you know, anybody else, uh knocking down
Speaker 1: his door to exactly. And he you know, he had
Speaker 1: like I said, he was a bass player. So the
Speaker 1: Horses or Faster was just a.
Speaker 3: Song he did literally when he was eighteen and threw
Speaker 3: it up on YouTube. And we literally still pay our
Speaker 3: bills from that song. So really yeah, we own it
Speaker 3: and everything, and we put it out on his first EP.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just streams so much. Yeah, people just
Speaker 1: love it. That's still one of his top five songs.
Speaker 1: Really yeah. What do you think it is about that
Speaker 1: song that people just love? Probably the fiddle in it,
Speaker 1: the fiddle intro. I mean it's very stripped down Western.
Speaker 1: I mean it's.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to use his comparison any other way,
Speaker 3: but it's Zach Brian way before Zach.
Speaker 1: Brian was ever. You know, it's like that style, but
Speaker 1: it's just beautiful and people. I mean, does it make
Speaker 1: you think of Wyoming? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's no other place you think of
Speaker 3: when you listen to or faster than Wyoming.
Speaker 2: And that's like Ian's thing, like he loves Wyoming, yes,
Speaker 2: like it is his he bleeds Wyoming.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was born and raised in Wyoming on a
Speaker 1: cattle ranch. So that's been really great for me because
Speaker 1: I got to build a brand from that. You know,
Speaker 1: is that kind of what you saw you saw you
Speaker 1: saw it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the vision and you know, in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: Western was very weird in Nashville. Like the way he
Speaker 3: dresses now is cool like Beyonce's doing it.
Speaker 2: But because he's got like the button up rainers hat,
Speaker 2: the lola, the bolo.
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, we try to get a meeting and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, what are you wearing? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So because it was more like cargo pants
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, Jordan's it was like bro.
Speaker 2: Was hardcore, which yeah, you just had to ride it out,
Speaker 2: yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And but I mean He's just authentic, and I think
Speaker 1: that's been a very great thing for me because it's
Speaker 1: making his brand so easy, you know, and clear.
Speaker 3: Like when you see Ian Munsick, you know that's Ian Munsick.
Speaker 3: When you hear his music, you don't have to guess
Speaker 3: who it is.
Speaker 1: It's just very obvious that that's him.
Speaker 2: And it probably was hard in the beginning because it
Speaker 2: wasn't the trend. But now I feel like people the
Speaker 2: bro country's kind of like moved on. It had its moment,
Speaker 2: and people are like, let's get to some real music
Speaker 2: with not that that wasn't real, but you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, let's get to some storytellers, Let's get
Speaker 2: to some like authentic country voices and bring back And
Speaker 2: you say this, like bring back country and western Like,
Speaker 2: do you really Ian's really on the forefront of bringing
Speaker 2: that Western bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, He's definitely at the forefront. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's a big part of it. You know. I
Speaker 1: think things like Yellowstone obviously helped. So tell me about
Speaker 1: the Yellostone experience. I mean, we haven't ever been a
Speaker 1: part of Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: We've luckily, like people like Cole Hauser, Luke Grimes or
Speaker 3: fans of Ian.
Speaker 1: So he did something with Rip Yeah, yeah, Rip, Yeah.
Speaker 3: We did a private and Mo brings Plenty, So we
Speaker 3: we've done a lot of things with Yellowstone actors, but
Speaker 3: they've never played Ian's music on Yellowstone.
Speaker 1: It's coming, yeah, we'll see, but they have.
Speaker 3: What's crazy about Yellowstone is they've never played an artist
Speaker 3: from that region. It's always been like Texas or like mainstream.
Speaker 3: So they need to catch up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yea is like Yellowstone through and through, but their actors
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we did a private event with Cole Hauser
Speaker 3: and he's hilarious and really nice.
Speaker 1: Rip right, yep, that's Rip. Yeah. We were just losers
Speaker 1: with Luke Grimes the other night and he's gone country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing and he's really good. I actually really like
Speaker 1: his stuff. And then brings Plenty, who is the native
Speaker 1: in Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: He we just did a documentary and he did the
Speaker 3: panel for us when we premiered it, and he's been
Speaker 3: a huge support and I'm really thankful for him.
Speaker 2: So talk to me about Voices of the West the documentary,
Speaker 2: because where did that come from? Obviously Ian's from Wyoming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like it's in his blood. You see it,
Speaker 1: feel it, love it too.
Speaker 2: Y'all got married in Wyoming. I love you got married
Speaker 2: in blue jeans, by the way, I did. I'm like
Speaker 2: you were the cool list, Like you had a beautiful
Speaker 2: white dude, that flowy top.
Speaker 1: That shirt came from Sheen, Yes it did.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I eloped on a beach in the Bahamas
Speaker 2: and I got married in a swimsuit cover.
Speaker 1: That was my dream. Yeah, the longest but you kind
Speaker 1: of did. I did. I did my like mountain version
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Yeah, Like my mom always thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna get married in a white bikini. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want a wedding. I just want
Speaker 1: to have a good time.
Speaker 2: I know, the wedding is stressful, it is something more
Speaker 2: to plan and all these people you got to keep
Speaker 2: up with and make sure they're having a good time.
Speaker 1: I want to be selfish and have a good time
Speaker 1: with me and my husband, you know.
Speaker 2: So okay, Well we gotta talk about the falling in
Speaker 2: love of you and Ian back. We got a backtrack.
Speaker 2: But while we're here on Voices of the West. So,
Speaker 2: so you got married in Wyoming, so.
Speaker 1: You are like Montana. Oh, gosh, I used to dream
Speaker 1: of living in Montana.
Speaker 3: Gosh, yeah, that's We're either gonna end up back there
Speaker 3: at some point. But Ian's on basically from the border
Speaker 3: of Wyoming in Montana, so my Montana's only fifteen minutes away.
Speaker 3: And we got married in Paradise Valley, which is just
Speaker 3: one of many little church. Yeah, it was literally in
Speaker 3: a gas station parking lot. So we have like pictures
Speaker 3: at the Sinclair and then the chapels, Like was it perfect?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Amazing? How did you? But I just love that
Speaker 1: you wore jeans. I'm like, you have on jeans? That
Speaker 1: is so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you just know you were going to keep
Speaker 2: it just authentic? So that's like you guys, like, cause
Speaker 2: you're even though you're not from Wyoming, tell me.
Speaker 1: Where you're from again, Charlotte, Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have you just had country bleeding through you.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you are adopting Wyoming?
Speaker 1: No? I do.
Speaker 3: I Yeah, I feel like I've been so immersed in it,
Speaker 3: just figuring out and understanding Ian and through the music
Speaker 3: that I feel like I'm a part of it now
Speaker 3: and we're.
Speaker 1: There all the time.
Speaker 3: His family still lives there and our niece and nephew,
Speaker 3: and we go back there a lot.
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, okay, So he just felt called to
Speaker 2: document true cowboys from Wyoming, which are a lot of
Speaker 2: the Native Americans.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and his brother's a rancher. Yep.
Speaker 3: Both of his brothers are ranchers and his dad. But
Speaker 3: he it's interesting because we've also had to kind of
Speaker 3: explain what the true West is. It's easy to get
Speaker 3: an idea of what cowboys are based on you know,
Speaker 3: Hollywood or TV or whatever, but Ian's the real deal
Speaker 3: and it's important and it's important for his fans to
Speaker 3: see that, you know, he's representing it accurately. But we
Speaker 3: did our first debut album and it was called Kyote Cry,
Speaker 3: and then we did White Buffalo and it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I'd actually gotten some comments and they're like, aren't people
Speaker 3: going to be you know, weirded out that like Ian's Cowboy, Cowboy, Cowboy,
Speaker 3: and now White Buffalo was kind of like Indians vibe
Speaker 3: and aren't. And I was like, cowboys and Indians aren't
Speaker 3: enemies anymore or like twenty twenty four, like they're the cowboys,
Speaker 3: you know, the Indians are the coupy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know, Native Americans are cowboys. And I was like,
Speaker 3: people don't know that story. They don't They think it's
Speaker 3: you know, the wild West out here, and it's not accurate.
Speaker 1: So I was like, what I guess is Yellowstone kind
Speaker 1: of paint them as not I mean, they don't really
Speaker 1: in Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: I think they don't really even paint them as cowboys.
Speaker 3: Like I don't see a lot of the Natives in Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: They're doing you know, the casino business deal stuff, but
Speaker 3: I mean the real deal cowboys are Native Americans, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's who Ian grew up around. He grew up,
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen minutes from the Crow res so that's
Speaker 3: just pro reservation. So that's what what's influenced him. So
Speaker 3: when we kind of figured out, Okay, people don't understand
Speaker 3: this little part of the world and what it really is,
Speaker 3: I was like, how do we explain this? And we
Speaker 3: did White Buffalo the album, we did the music video,
Speaker 3: and during the music video we did all the cast
Speaker 3: was Native American and the director, who's one of my
Speaker 3: great friends, is Native American. And while we were doing
Speaker 3: the music video, I was like, wait, this is a document,
Speaker 3: you know, this is something like we need to tell
Speaker 3: these stories. So we just kind of turned the White
Speaker 3: Buffalo music video into this documentary and Ian really just
Speaker 3: let his friends tell their.
Speaker 1: Stories and let people know what's real. You know, how's
Speaker 1: that been? How's that been great? How's that been? Having
Speaker 1: it out in the world because it's like streaming everywhere?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's on Amazon and all the places,
Speaker 3: I think, but yeah, it's great. We did a big
Speaker 3: premiere of it in during an NFR and that was great.
Speaker 1: That's writing now is it National Writing? National Finals? Rodeo
Speaker 1: National Finals?
Speaker 3: It's like the biggest deal for Western world. But now
Speaker 3: it's I mean it's becoming pretty big for everyone. I
Speaker 3: mean the amount of artists that were out there this
Speaker 3: year that we're performing the stuff. I'm like, this is
Speaker 3: obviously growing. But it's a huge, huge deal in the
Speaker 3: Western world. So we did the premiere there Mo brings
Speaker 3: plenty to the panel. We had the whole cast and
Speaker 3: there was a lot of you know, influencers and country
Speaker 3: artists and label and pr But to make it, okny,
Speaker 3: that's small feat Yeah no, it was a lot.
Speaker 1: You produced it. I did yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: Girl, I mean Carolin, you just like okay, I have
Speaker 2: an idea.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of work and really hard,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna I've never done it for but
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna figure it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally I think you sum me up. I
Speaker 3: have probably never done it and I'm just gonna wing it.
Speaker 3: In fact, do you where do you draw on your resources?
Speaker 2: Like where do you go to like when you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now I'm going to produce this documentary, Like where does
Speaker 2: your brain go? Like what do I need to do
Speaker 2: to make this happen? And then how do I make
Speaker 2: it happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I kind of just think, Okay, who do I know
Speaker 3: that owns this property? Or who can film this? Or
Speaker 3: who can help us edit this? And I like to
Speaker 3: think small. Like our documentary was literally a three man team.
Speaker 1: It was me.
Speaker 3: Cam who directed it and shot it, and then an editor,
Speaker 3: Nick that we found from Ohio that had done some
Speaker 3: Wrangler stuff and it was literally us and then Warner
Speaker 3: helped me on like the licensing side.
Speaker 2: And because Ian signed up Warner. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 2: literally it. You need to take probably a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Are you someone know when you start something and you
Speaker 2: give your heart, you finish it. Yeah, like you don't
Speaker 2: just like be like, oh crap, like this is a
Speaker 2: lot no yeah reverse reverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like no forward for once a minute a minute,
Speaker 1: And I just got to get out, great, what a
Speaker 1: team player you are to Ian is lucky to have you.
Speaker 1: I mean that is you are a force of nature. Caroline,
Speaker 1: thank you. Like I said, going a little crazy. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about when y'all fell in love. Good stuff.
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden you're like, oh, Ian Mussig,
Speaker 2: I know him, I got him his first gig, and ya,
Speaker 2: Travis Drat and his family are like, you need to
Speaker 2: meet this guy. You're like, know him, and now you
Speaker 2: see him, you realize he's got this image, he's got
Speaker 2: this deep connection to Wyoming. You see the branding. It's
Speaker 2: all like clear to you. But it's not necessarily the
Speaker 2: right time in country music for him to make his
Speaker 2: big splash because it was bro country.
Speaker 1: So what do you do? What do y'all do? And
Speaker 1: then where does the love happen?
Speaker 3: I mean with him on we did this thing called
Speaker 3: minute Mondays and he would film Ian can play pretty
Speaker 3: much every instrument, and we would film these minute mondays
Speaker 3: with a guy named gray Wood, and he literally he
Speaker 3: would just do covers and would play like multiple instruments,
Speaker 3: but it would just be him or multiples of him,
Speaker 3: and we would post those every Monday.
Speaker 1: And we just started like jilliding his his like Instagram
Speaker 1: TikTok was not a thing because Instagram was going. Streaming
Speaker 1: was just like starting, So we were just trying to
Speaker 1: build it independently. Yeah. Yeah, everything was independent for a while,
Speaker 1: and you guys were content creators in the very beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the content.
Speaker 3: Before really content, Like I was key, Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: maybe Vine was out or something.
Speaker 1: But died on the vine.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like so yeah, we just went on trying
Speaker 3: to build his awareness and like getting people to notice him,
Speaker 3: and then eventually, you know, his streaming numbers got big
Speaker 3: enough and uh Warner and other labels started reaching out
Speaker 3: and said, you know, hey, who is this guy that's
Speaker 3: streaming just as well as he?
Speaker 2: So what are good streaming numbers to make it label
Speaker 2: turn their head?
Speaker 1: Like what? So?
Speaker 2: Streaming for everyone listening streaming is like when you I'm
Speaker 2: sure a lot of people know this now, but it's
Speaker 2: like when you go and you just listen to Spotify,
Speaker 2: or you go and you listen to iTunes, or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's online, and it's just like it counts. You get
Speaker 2: all these streams, Like every time you hear a song,
Speaker 2: you get another streams. So like when you get a
Speaker 2: ton of streams, people are like, who is this? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone knows what streaming is. I just talked
Speaker 2: to them like they're a bunch of idiots. I know,
Speaker 2: all know what streaming is. Okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to even think what it would have been
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, not what it is now. Now people
Speaker 3: are getting like billions. You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: But I mean I thought labels you did not even
Speaker 2: want artists to stream. Like that's how crazy it was.
Speaker 2: It was so new that they're like, don't stream because
Speaker 2: that takes away from like your album cells or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's been a new phenomenon that Ian
Speaker 2: probably was at the very beginning of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, for sure. I would say, maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, independently, we got our first few million streams,
Speaker 1: so in twenty seventeen, pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's with no like there
Speaker 3: it's not like we were on any DSP like playlisting
Speaker 3: or anything.
Speaker 1: That's all organic.
Speaker 3: So that's the one thing about Ian is he's really
Speaker 3: everything has been grassroots, in organic.
Speaker 1: You know, No, you're good. Sorry, Yeah, And so we've
Speaker 1: just really been proud of that growth because you know,
Speaker 1: it's that real thing. It's real, like they show up
Speaker 1: and buy tickets and they buy merch and they engage
Speaker 1: and it's not fake like it's real. So that's been
Speaker 1: very valuable to us.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you are putting stuff out, you're still dismanaging. No,
Speaker 2: like I want to kiss your face yet. No, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think when were you, Like, I gotta.
Speaker 1: Just like on the end of twenty seventeen and so
Speaker 1: maybe like six seven months in.
Speaker 3: I think we were just around each other so much.
Speaker 3: I think we went we were in like California or something,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just kind of makes how happen. It's the cool Manti.
Speaker 1: I feel like, No, I didn't been build it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it was definitely slower at first. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's know each other. Yeah, no, and that was the thing.
Speaker 3: We're just around each other all the time. But you know,
Speaker 3: at the same time, it felt like very like taboo.
Speaker 3: But it was kind of exciting, but it's like, nobody's
Speaker 3: gonna take us seriously if, like one, I'm what probably
Speaker 3: I think I was like twenty four at the time.
Speaker 3: Who's gonna take me seriously? One as a manager? You
Speaker 3: know this kid that has you know, nothing really behind him,
Speaker 3: let alone us. You know, oh, my manager's my girlfriend.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we kept it on the DL. Was that
Speaker 3: kind of fun to be secret?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I feel like it was a little stressful because
Speaker 1: I literally didn't tell my friends. I didn't tell nobody.
Speaker 1: I told nobody, and I say, by the way, you.
Speaker 2: And Lady Wilson bff were bff before she became Lady Wilson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, I can't wonder about that. That's so fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we, yeah, we kept on the d L didn't
Speaker 1: tell my friends. I'm sure they could have assumed whatever,
Speaker 1: but you know, nobody really asked or said anything. So
Speaker 1: we just kept doing our thing. And then you know,
Speaker 1: one thing led to another and we got pregnant.
Speaker 2: And and you really can't keep it under a lot anymore.
Speaker 2: So we were like, so we're trying to get pregnant
Speaker 2: or act no, no, nokay. Crawford's like, I'm ready he's
Speaker 2: got two cool people here.
Speaker 1: My parents.
Speaker 3: He's like, I am ready to make my appearance and
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we got pregnant, and I think Lane was
Speaker 1: the first person I called to tell her that I
Speaker 1: was pregnant. Okay, so how do you know? Laney?
Speaker 3: Like I know everybody else, I think I could not
Speaker 3: pinpoint a day. I'm sure it was like tenor for
Speaker 3: losers or something.
Speaker 1: You know, you know how it is. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, this were instant, Like, yeah, I think we've.
Speaker 3: All just been good friends. But she was definitely during
Speaker 3: that period of like, oh crap, what am I gonna
Speaker 3: do here? Like, she was definitely a great, great friend
Speaker 3: to me for that. So yeah, through that process, that's great.
Speaker 2: Actually, I was kind of talking to you about friendships
Speaker 2: earlier because I'm in a situation where it's like, how
Speaker 2: do you be a great friend when you're in a
Speaker 2: tough situation? You know, it's like how, so how not
Speaker 2: mean Laney in particular, but like how do you be
Speaker 2: a great friend when in a situation?
Speaker 1: What were you wanting? Like?
Speaker 2: What did she do to support you when you're like,
Speaker 2: oh crap, I am pregnant? I mean not married, yeah,
Speaker 2: managing yeah, maybe daddy yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: It was like, hey, by the way, Ian and I
Speaker 3: are together and I'm pregnant, like yeah, Lifeline help. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean she you know, it's just being there really
Speaker 3: the freak out and being like, Okay, this is what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean she went to like a doctor's appointment with me.
Speaker 3: I like, you know, I think I like stayed at
Speaker 3: her house once because it was hard on Ian and
Speaker 3: I at the beginning, because he was like, crap, I
Speaker 3: this is like my dream is to be a country artist.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know how I'm going to handle this.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of like agreeing between us
Speaker 3: of like how are we going to handle this?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So I'm sure I fought with him and stayed at
Speaker 3: her house. So yeah, just being there is really the
Speaker 3: main thing, and being like, no matter what, we're gonna
Speaker 3: handle it, and just talking through it, you know, and
Speaker 3: because all of it's crazy and whatever. You don't know
Speaker 3: what's right or wrong these days, and I know, I know, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really and that I feel that I go back
Speaker 2: to that all the time. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's right for people. I get feelings, and I get
Speaker 2: overwhelmed with feelings about what I.
Speaker 1: Think people should do.
Speaker 2: But like, I've made choices and done things that people
Speaker 2: probably thought were insane and not the right move, and
Speaker 2: then they turned out to be exactly what you needed
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm sure a lot of people thought
Speaker 3: I was insane for getting pregnant by with Ian and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like manage.
Speaker 1: His whole career.
Speaker 2: And so then how did that happen? When now you
Speaker 2: got a bump? You didn't tell anybody our day.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: Luckily I was able to be skinny for a minute,
Speaker 3: and then when I was and then when I was
Speaker 3: not skinny, I was not skinny.
Speaker 1: But I hit it for six or seven months.
Speaker 2: You hate your pregnancy for six or seven months?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How literally? I mean I don't know. I wore
Speaker 1: giant shirts.
Speaker 3: I mean I was tiny, and then I hit seven
Speaker 3: months and I became gigantic. Like it's like, yeah, so
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so I think, what did I do?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. The first thing I did was
Speaker 3: I called all my girlfriends over to my house and
Speaker 3: we made dinner and I was like, hey, guys, like
Speaker 3: I'm pregnant, I'm dating Ian, and I don't think a
Speaker 3: lot of them were like shocked by the dating Ian thing.
Speaker 3: I think they put two and two together. I mean
Speaker 3: we literally never told your friends. Literally, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can hold a secret. Yeah, Jenna Hawking's my best friend.
Speaker 3: And and that's Nicole's sister. He's Mary luke Holm's h
Speaker 3: Coole CMBs. Yeah, I know Jenna, but I know she's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's the best. We're wild together. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: literally said nothing to like my best best friend and
Speaker 1: that was Jenna. You know, so you're stone cold box
Speaker 1: yeah killer.
Speaker 3: I was just like yeah, I mean it was pretty intense,
Speaker 3: just because I knew how much Ian's dream was on
Speaker 3: the line and I wanted to make it work. I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, we just had to figure it out.
Speaker 3: But I eventually said down and told all my girlfriends
Speaker 3: and then I was like, I'm going to announce.
Speaker 1: It like the next day.
Speaker 3: And what we ended up doing was we I was like,
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna announce this, it's got to be like
Speaker 3: the coolest baby announcement ever, Like it's got to be
Speaker 3: the most perfect photo shoot ever or something. So we
Speaker 3: went to like Greece for our like secret baby moon
Speaker 3: and like I shot it and like Santorini is like
Speaker 3: the most beautiful pictures ever. And I was like surprising,
Speaker 3: and I are together and we're having a baby.
Speaker 1: You know, stop it and I'm so cool. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: were you received? How is everyone was excited? You know,
Speaker 1: now they know you're the band. Now I know that
Speaker 1: you're the woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, life and the baby mama, which you had not
Speaker 2: told any of course, So that's a lot happening at once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But honestly, God was like on our side because
Speaker 3: he knew this had to happen. And it's literally when
Speaker 3: I say, as soon as we announce and let people know,
Speaker 3: we got we signed with Uta or our booking agency.
Speaker 3: We got a pub deal with you MPG. We built
Speaker 3: our bigger team. I did a deal with her Wolsey
Speaker 3: co he manages George Straight coated it with wol Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then we signed with Warner I mean label, yeah, label.
Speaker 2: You know everything fell into place. Literally, why do you
Speaker 2: think that was?
Speaker 1: It's like you unleashed the secret and God was like God.
Speaker 3: You know, I think there could have been a lot
Speaker 3: of situations and this could be a touchy subject, but
Speaker 3: I think there's other things I maybe could have done,
Speaker 3: you know, and been like, you know what, this baby
Speaker 3: is right for us. You know, work as a priority.
Speaker 3: We're young, Like I could have done other things, and
Speaker 3: you know, put work at the front. And I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, like just put my faith in God
Speaker 3: and it's gonna work out.
Speaker 2: It's kind full chill. It's got full chilled because it
Speaker 2: is faith. Hill says, a baby changes everything. It's terrifying,
Speaker 2: especially for you guys when you're not planning for that,
Speaker 2: and like you're in the middle of lunch, I feel
Speaker 2: like you got.
Speaker 1: Tears in your line. I know. It makes me just
Speaker 1: emotionally to know all the choices you could have made
Speaker 1: totally and then you choose life. Yeah, chose life and
Speaker 1: it paid off. I mean, And how has being a
Speaker 1: mom and Ian being a parent? I know he loves
Speaker 1: it and you love it. How has it?
Speaker 2: So it's like the biggest fear happening yep, that you think,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we're just not getting things going, we're
Speaker 2: just getting traction, and now we're going to have a baby,
Speaker 2: and now who's gonna take me seriously?
Speaker 1: As a manager.
Speaker 2: Ian doesn't have time to be a father right now
Speaker 2: because he's busted at both ends. You don't have yeah
Speaker 2: we have mother right now. It's like a lot, but
Speaker 2: you say, yes, we will.
Speaker 1: We're going to figure it out. You know. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, how are we going to
Speaker 1: tour in a van? Baby? Like is gonna be well adjusted? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was like, how are we going to do this?
Speaker 3: And you know, like freak, sure enough we got a
Speaker 3: tour bus on our first time out in the road, like,
Speaker 3: we signed all our deals. The music was doing really well.
Speaker 3: You know, my friends were amazing support system. And Ian
Speaker 3: wasn't very religious before Crawford and you know, he changed
Speaker 3: his life around really how so I mean just put
Speaker 3: all of his faith, you know, into God and Jesus.
Speaker 1: Sofford brought faith to Ian. Yeah yeah, so you serious? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So babies really are little miracles, they are.
Speaker 1: They change your whole mindset. Yeah, they do all for
Speaker 1: the better.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think it really helped him because
Speaker 3: everything with Ian was music was number one. And now
Speaker 3: he has instead of just trying to make music for
Speaker 3: its be the number one thing in your life.
Speaker 1: You know, he makes music for Crawford. So it just
Speaker 1: brings it a like there's a reason behind it, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's amazing because like I remember before I
Speaker 1: had Sonny, like I was we were ready to have it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was definitely ready.
Speaker 2: Michael was probably a little bit more like I and
Speaker 2: like if we have well maybe not like he just
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking about it, you know, Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it because I was like thirty
Speaker 2: four and I was ready to have a baby, and
Speaker 2: then we got pregnant after some losses. But it's like
Speaker 2: you still have that fear of like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I've put my whole life into my career. This is
Speaker 2: all I've ever known.
Speaker 1: Not that the careers were like I mean, they were popping,
Speaker 1: but it's like there's still so much work to be done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like such an uphill climb and
Speaker 1: then how are you gonna do it with a baby?
Speaker 2: And is it I feel like in the beginning you
Speaker 2: just think of all the hard things that are gonna
Speaker 2: happen with a baby. Yeah, and they are there, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's this whole other side of like gifts and
Speaker 2: blessings and miracles and your heart exploding that you cannot explained.
Speaker 1: One of my good girlfriends, she is a country artist.
Speaker 1: She's amazing.
Speaker 3: Her name's Casey Tendall, and she got pregnant about a
Speaker 3: year ago and she called me and she's like, what
Speaker 3: am I going to do? Like, and I was like,
Speaker 3: your life, it's going to get better. It won't be
Speaker 3: any easier, but it's going to be so much better.
Speaker 3: And sure enough she's been rocking it and killing it
Speaker 3: and her lane. So you know, I think there's a
Speaker 3: purpose and children are a blessing and.
Speaker 2: I just love I had an interview with Sarah Beth
Speaker 2: Tait yesterday. She's an independent artist and like doing really great.
Speaker 1: She's a mom too. Kind of was a surprise, and
Speaker 1: it's the same kind of thing. It's like.
Speaker 2: But I think for me, at least, I am craving
Speaker 2: to see people making it work. I'm craving to see
Speaker 2: a husband and wife stick together and love each other
Speaker 2: and have a baby and be a family. Like I
Speaker 2: am craving to see families wholesomeness.
Speaker 1: We're just needing it. Yeah, I think, you know, especially
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: Music industry, can get so dark and weird, and yes,
Speaker 3: it gives you bad vibes and like I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the music's a jam, but I feel weird.
Speaker 1: Listening to it, you know, because I know there's some
Speaker 1: dark stuff off, like scenes that the persons saying.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and I think people are just like craving that
Speaker 3: wholesomeness and like scene you know, Like because at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, no matter what people say, they
Speaker 3: want a family.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be alone, you know.
Speaker 2: And you want and you want to know that it
Speaker 2: can work. And like we're talking about earlier, marriage is
Speaker 2: not easy. I can't even imagine for you being a manager,
Speaker 2: a mom managing you know, like a wife to eam
Speaker 2: like changing those hats, like that has to be such
Speaker 2: a cluster for your brain all the time. But like
Speaker 2: it's like it's hard work, but you want to do
Speaker 2: the hard work.
Speaker 1: But it's not easy. No, it's not easy.
Speaker 3: I mean our marriage is not perfect, but like saying,
Speaker 3: work really hard at it and it's like very rewarding,
Speaker 3: that worth it.
Speaker 1: Where's the work?
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, and it shows in Crawford, like I
Speaker 3: think we do, you know, because we're such a tight unit.
Speaker 3: He's literally the most perfect child, you know, And I
Speaker 3: think I think We bring him everywhere, We do everything
Speaker 3: with him, and.
Speaker 1: I love that it shows in him.
Speaker 2: And I love that too because I feel like also
Speaker 2: back in the day, it's like shifting right now and
Speaker 2: you and Ian are part of that shift. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, a country artists needs to be single, needs
Speaker 2: to be sexy, needs to be available, needs to not
Speaker 2: have any attachments. But now it's like whoa, let's show
Speaker 2: country artists male or female, loving their spouse, loving their family,
Speaker 2: bringing them everywhere. You don't have to like throw your
Speaker 2: your family life away to be a successful singer.
Speaker 1: I know. And I think it's showing in the past,
Speaker 1: like I would say, in the past past couple of years,
Speaker 1: like I'm really seeing that. I'm seeing it with artists,
Speaker 1: you know. I think at the beginning, a lot of
Speaker 1: my I have a lot of female friends that are artists,
Speaker 1: and they were always like never wanted to post that
Speaker 1: they had a boyfriend because they're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I got to be available my guy. Yeah, so guys exactly,
Speaker 1: I think they have a chance with me. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: now I think it's just a different element and I
Speaker 1: think people are invested in.
Speaker 3: People's lives more than ever. I think probably because of
Speaker 3: social media and they want to see people doing well,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want to see how you do well.
Speaker 1: Like that's why it's like I want to like, I
Speaker 1: love watching you guys because it's like, gosh, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like because I know, being a married woman and
Speaker 2: a mom too, it's like it's a married to an artist.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's a lot of work. But it's like, gosh,
Speaker 2: anything worth doing anything is a.
Speaker 1: Lot of work. Yeah, exactly. You gotta you have to
Speaker 1: work to get the payoff.
Speaker 3: And I you know, I feel like maybe after COVID
Speaker 3: it feels like some kids are losing that mindset a
Speaker 3: little bit. But you really have to put in the
Speaker 3: work to get the reward, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So what when you and Ian are just like, not
Speaker 2: the artist, not the manager, not the parent, what is
Speaker 2: y'all's relationship? Like when you strip all the other titles away?
Speaker 1: I mean, boring, this is what I this is what
Speaker 1: I was gonna to talk to you about.
Speaker 3: When we were talking on the side, it was I
Speaker 3: had like a girls center the other night, and boring
Speaker 3: is good.
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is this is the thing I was like y'all.
Speaker 3: I was like, I had a hard time for a
Speaker 3: minute because I was like starting to get bored a
Speaker 3: little bit. And then I had to remind myself. I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, boring is good.
Speaker 1: You're used to like the toxic relationships that the adrenaline
Speaker 1: is up and down and like it's exciting, but you're
Speaker 1: going crazy and that's not what you need. And boring means, oh,
Speaker 1: my life is literally where it's supposed to be. I'm
Speaker 1: in place, I'm stable. Yeah. Like if we're not on
Speaker 1: the road, we're in bed at like seven thirty. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a dream watch you know what I'm saying, living
Speaker 1: my dream. Yeah, well, I'm surprised you don't do that.
Speaker 1: I do that. Sonny's in the bed with this too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: convert sleep with you. No, I'm on him about it,
Speaker 1: but he does, like if his dad's way, I'll let
Speaker 1: him sleep with me.
Speaker 2: But once we started stunning in the bed that was
Speaker 2: two years ago. She's never gotten out.
Speaker 1: See that's that's what I knew. I know. I love it.
Speaker 1: They're so cute and cuddly. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Sonny sleeps right in the middle and she just cuddles
Speaker 2: me so hard. And we like literally sleep like just
Speaker 2: locked in each other's arms. And Michael's like he's over
Speaker 2: there watching Netflix, chilling myself.
Speaker 1: He's happy too. We're all living our best life. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, the cuddle is just better. Crawford kicks
Speaker 1: me in the face, so I'm like, boy, you gotta
Speaker 1: go to your bed. Yeah, he's wow. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he was like that, I'd be like every second.
Speaker 3: But man, he's a bed hug, So okay, I feel.
Speaker 1: You gotta get your sleep.
Speaker 2: And it's nice and honestly, I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: people are like, never put it in the bed, so
Speaker 2: I get that too.
Speaker 1: It's nice to have some souls.
Speaker 2: But it's like you have plenty of excpit and action
Speaker 2: going on with your you and Ian's careers together. It's
Speaker 2: like the fact that y'all do get to be boring together.
Speaker 2: That's saying so much about you guys. All the craziness
Speaker 2: is in the work. Yeah, but the home life is
Speaker 2: sorry and stable and calm.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean it's it's very calm. Like we
Speaker 3: have our routine with Crawford. We have we get into
Speaker 3: like I don't know, periods where it gets madness and
Speaker 3: we're traveling all over the place, but you know, when
Speaker 3: we're home, it's we're chilling, you know.
Speaker 1: So I told Michael that the other day. I was like,
Speaker 1: Sonny and I can chill so hard.
Speaker 2: Michael can chill hard too, but like we can chill,
Speaker 2: Like we go hard, but we can chill hard.
Speaker 1: Can you chill hard? Oh? Yeah, I can straight chill. Ian.
Speaker 3: It's a little harder for him, Like I thank him
Speaker 3: just being from Wyoming and his This is like one
Speaker 3: of the first times I want to stay to his parents'
Speaker 3: place in Wyoming.
Speaker 1: They get up African five in the morning. There are ranchers.
Speaker 1: They can't wake up with the sun, I know, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're freaking judging me that I'm sleeping until eight,
Speaker 1: Like you know what, You're like, yeah, do it, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, they work hard. And so Ian wrote did
Speaker 1: he write that song Leather? Yep, that Cody Johnson.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we'll wrap up because there's already fifty minutes
Speaker 2: in which I can't believe because I just love talking
Speaker 2: to you so much. But so he and Cody Johnson
Speaker 2: have had a very strong relationship Leather, Like, because I
Speaker 2: was watching an interview I died, and he was, like
Speaker 2: you said, like he'd never had been writing for other artists.
Speaker 1: He's been writing for himself.
Speaker 2: And he's a very unique artist with a very unique voice,
Speaker 2: with a very unique message. So it's not like he's
Speaker 2: just pitching his songs everyone, yeah, because's they're very hymn yep.
Speaker 2: But Cody Johnson's kind of the artist that like they
Speaker 2: kind of like cross yep because they have that cowboy
Speaker 2: lifestyle together, which of course the cowboys found each other, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: So he recorded Leather, which is such a great song
Speaker 2: talking about cowboys being leather made of leather, and Cody
Speaker 2: heard it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, Cody is the real deal cowboy, like
Speaker 3: he is. Music is his side job, the grand scheme
Speaker 3: of things really is like full time cowboy.
Speaker 1: When he is home, he works a ranch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his wife is superwoman, love her and they
Speaker 3: have two cute little girls that Crawford loves.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We were on tour with them.
Speaker 3: Over a year, maybe two years, I don't know. We
Speaker 3: were on tour with him for a long time and
Speaker 3: he was the first guy to really give Ian a shot,
Speaker 3: uh you know.
Speaker 1: Being on a big tour and they ended up doing
Speaker 1: along with cowgirls together and you.
Speaker 2: Pitched that one to Cody. Yeah, I did, and that
Speaker 2: was like a duet that kind of was a game
Speaker 2: changer for Ian.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that song has kind of become an
Speaker 3: anthem and it's been streaming like crazy and doing really
Speaker 3: well in every concert.
Speaker 1: I mean, girls are crying, boys are crying like this
Speaker 1: is the woman I love like and it's you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not just about cowgirls.
Speaker 3: It's like the song is you know, women make it
Speaker 3: through anything at all times, you know, and it's a
Speaker 3: power of a testament to their strength. Really, so I
Speaker 3: think that's why that song resonates. But we were every
Speaker 3: night on tour, we would go hang on Cody's bus
Speaker 3: and you know, have a drink and just listen to music.
Speaker 3: And like Cody would play the stuff he's excited about
Speaker 3: or whatever music he likes, or his band guys would
Speaker 3: and Ian would do the same, or I would be like,
Speaker 3: you need to play this song. But so out of
Speaker 3: one of those nights, Ian pitched him Leather and Ian
Speaker 3: really didn't want to give this song away.
Speaker 1: It's a great song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wrote it about his brother, who's like a
Speaker 3: real deal, like Toughest Nails Rancher, his middle brother, and
Speaker 3: so it's you know, it resonates with Ian and but
Speaker 3: Ian played it, Cody just like stared at.
Speaker 1: Him and was like I need this song.
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm not even working on an
Speaker 3: album right now, but if you give me this song,
Speaker 3: I will cut it and name my album after this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It hit him that hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he pretty much the Leather. Yeah, he named
Speaker 3: his album Leather. His tour right now is called Leather.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, he created an album based.
Speaker 1: Off of this song.
Speaker 2: But because Cody is and he's such a real little
Speaker 2: like singer songwriter too for him to want to cut
Speaker 2: someone else's song, says a Ton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he yeah, he really cares about the song
Speaker 3: and the message, and I think it just hit him,
Speaker 3: I mean so true.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, And so that's been really cool to see.
Speaker 1: We were just at the opry with them and just
Speaker 1: you know, seeing how the song that song is hitting
Speaker 1: people is incredible. Ian's brother.
Speaker 3: Actually this past week, Ian a video of him he
Speaker 3: was like working cows and it was Leather came on
Speaker 3: the radio. And so the song that Ian wrote about
Speaker 3: him and Cody's singing his brother sent the video and
Speaker 3: he's literally out working cows.
Speaker 1: I I was like, so, you know, it's just that's
Speaker 1: where music is so powerful and so cool.
Speaker 2: There's so much in the business, which I'm sure you
Speaker 2: deal with on a regular basis that like can like
Speaker 2: wear you down, but like when you do have those
Speaker 2: magic moments, it's like, Okay, yeah, this is why we
Speaker 2: do it. This is why we do it because music
Speaker 2: is freaking magical. Okay, So, is there anything that we
Speaker 2: can be looking forward to what's coming up? Like what
Speaker 2: are you excited about in Ian's career and just in
Speaker 2: life in general before we wrap up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe how fast this is. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, we're fifty five minutes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we literally just announced a deluxe version of
Speaker 3: White Buffalo the album.
Speaker 1: Today. We put out the first single off of it, Heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: and that's been popping off on TikTok and all the things.
Speaker 1: So to check that, so Ian pops off. Yeah, we try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot to keep up with.
Speaker 2: Like social media is a whole job in of itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it is. It's a whole lot. Yeah. Oh
Speaker 1: I hate it, I do, I want to love it.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I want to love it because I know it's so great,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, am I just too old to love it?
Speaker 1: Because I know these like young kids like love it
Speaker 1: and they just like love to express themselves through it.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I have to like make myself. I
Speaker 1: love it. I wake up day and I love I
Speaker 1: love social media.
Speaker 3: I love so just if it wouldn't take a freaking
Speaker 3: hour to make a TikTok video, I'd like it more.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, I got other things to be doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So White Buffalo to Lux.
Speaker 2: We got the Voices documentary was of the watch the
Speaker 2: Voices of the West documentary.
Speaker 3: I think you learn just so much about let alone
Speaker 3: Ian and who he is and who his heart is.
Speaker 3: But I love you actually learn about the real West.
Speaker 2: What a cool way to present him though, and what
Speaker 2: matters to him in this culture. Like that's so cool
Speaker 2: and so just like authentic to you guys, because it
Speaker 2: just like hit you, like we just need documentaries to
Speaker 2: show the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean it just flowed and it turned
Speaker 1: out really beautiful.
Speaker 2: And I always trust the flow when you're in the
Speaker 2: flow at all, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's hot.
Speaker 2: It's hard work, but you're in the flow, it all
Speaker 2: happens exactly. You just got to get through it, ride
Speaker 2: the wave.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, new music, watch the documentary. I'm
Speaker 1: sure catch some shows, some stuff. Yeah, shows, touring we're
Speaker 1: going on toward Laney. Are you so excited. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: going to be that's a huge tour. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a huge door. Yeah. I know, big deal. I know,
Speaker 1: miss Entertainer of the Year Grammy winner.
Speaker 2: But I love that you are connected even before that,
Speaker 2: like that the roots run deep.
Speaker 1: Like that's so cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a lot of that's a lot
Speaker 3: a lot of people in town though, in Nashville. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, we all kind of I felt like a
Speaker 3: lot of us came here about ten years ago, and
Speaker 3: it's been so fun to just see the come up
Speaker 3: of everybody and just be a part of the process.
Speaker 1: So it's been cool. I love that. Okay.
Speaker 2: I always wrap up with leave your Light and it's
Speaker 2: super open ended. Whatever comes to mind. What do you
Speaker 2: want people to know? Just to inspire them, trust your gut.
Speaker 1: And follow your instincts and you know, keep Jesus at
Speaker 1: the center. Amen to that. Yes, So that's what I
Speaker 1: want you to know.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Caroline, Man's sick for joining me and if
Speaker 2: you're cool, we stick around for an episode of Call
Speaker 2: Caroline where we answer some burning questions from listeners. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, Okay, they're burning hot. So that'll air on Thursday. Awesome,
Speaker 2: Thanks Caroline,