WEBVTT - Alien: Earth 101 & 102 Roundtable 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.680 Worrying. Today's Roundtable episode candid spoilers for Alien Earth Episode 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:24.079 one and two be one. Hello, my name is Jascontepcio 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.080 and I'm risday Night and welcome back to x Ray 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.760 Vision of the podcast movie I've d Video, Favorite Shows, Movies, comment. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.200 It's a pop culture company from My Heart podcast, where 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.400 we're bringing you three episodes a week and Tuesday Thursday, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.560 I'm asked the summer's biggest movies on Friday. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.120 In today's episode, we are joined by super producers Joe 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.839 Monique and Carmon Lorenz to dig even deeper on the 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.920 first two episodes of FX is Alien Earth, which is 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.440 taking the Internet and the TV watching world by storm. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.960 We are going to discuss the evolution of the creatures 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.360 and where we are. The timeline is alien as we 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.160 know it? Have we been here before? It is the 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.120 earliest part of the Alien timeline we've seen, what did 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.600 we know about it? And we'll also be exploring some 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.520 of the history of Whyland, Utawni's and their executives from 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:14.120 the movies. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.160 But first let's bring in our super producers. Should talk 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:24.240 about Neverland and Mister October. The first and second episodes 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:29.520 of Alien Earth on FX. Carmen Joel, welcome to the program. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.240 Hey, greetings and salutation. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.559 Okay, let's get let's get your overall thoughts first, Carmen, let's. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:37.800 Start with you. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.399 I'm having a really great time watching this. First two 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:47.320 episodes were very enjoyable. I know, you know, I know 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.520 that we don't need all of the Alien kind of 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.840 nostalgia just stuff like that, We don't need all of it, 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.720 but I did. I was a sucker for it. I 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.960 have to admit I was a sucker for that little 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.840 bit of nosogia. I'm like, yes, we are paying homage 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.760 to the original property. We're keeping the spirit of the 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:11.359 original property in mind, and I was thrilled when I 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.160 saw that all of those elements were still there basically. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.520 And I'm enjoying the mystery as it unfolds because there 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.720 are so many questions that I have for what is 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.400 going on in this series, and I'm really hoping that, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.880 you know, they don't leave us with a bunch of 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.359 un answered questions by episode eight. So we'll see, Joelle, 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.919 your thoughts. I love this series. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.960 I was trying to contemplate the first time I saw Alien. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.760 It's one of those movies I've watched so young, probably 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.600 between five or seven the first time I saw it, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.560 But it just is like a seminal ingrained part of 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.200 my life. And to come into this series and have 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.400 it not just be so well performed, like beautiful production design. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.240 I'm obsessed with these sets. I could just look at 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.359 just like photos of the set forever. They're so rich 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.480 in detail. But to also find us face swear a 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.960 lot of different lore. I'm talking like potentially video game stuff, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.519 comic book stuff coming being woven into a Lord that's 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.320 felt pretty sparse, you know, it's under the Disney umbrella. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.760 Now we're seeing a Predator property come out shortly that 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.079 looks like it might have some overlapping connection. And it 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.239 definitely has overlapping connection into the Alien universe, but perhaps 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.799 there's like closer connection now since they're coming out so 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:23.480 close together. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:25.239 I just I think it's. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.079 Android confirmed to be a Whailand Android. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.160 Yeah, yeah, let's just. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.520 Say so, they're definitely connected. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.160 I just think that there's so much here to like 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.160 dive into that I bullied you guys into doing a 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.520 second episode so we could talk about it because I 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.840 was like, I'm just enthralled with all of these characters 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.240 from Tim's the Olafant's Kersh who's so weird and in 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.280 the background and he's really cooking but not doing too 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:53.960 much yet You're like, I know that that guy is 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:54.560 gonna swing in. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.640 And I also I love these kids. It's early days 0:03:58.720 --> 0:03:59.040 on them. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.480 I know everyone's not yet sold on the children. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.440 But I love a child. I love a child. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.080 Hold on, we're jumping into it, so let's jump into 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.400 that conversation. I want to say that, well, you should say, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.600 because you just came from a recording of a different 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.719 podcast property in which I think people were much more 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.560 not sold on the kids. Yeah, I want to say personally, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.839 I am not not sold. I am after specifically after 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.440 episode two. I'm like all in on the show that 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.880 said I did note I thought there were certain storytelling 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:36.800 things that could have been stronger to build a more 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:37.919 connection with the kids. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:38.719 It didn't. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.960 I didn't personally end up missing it, but I did 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.960 feel it there when I was watching it. But tell 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.440 us about this, tell us about the insights of your 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.960 fellow co host podcast, the podcast in the podcast that 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:54.680 you just came from. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.880 Yeah, I think what I'm hearing, and it has for 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.840 a lot of different men who've seen the show. They're like, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.560 kids are too plucky, there's too much you know, just 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.320 is this their proper aid? So we're like they're acting 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:07.719 like their five year old I'm like, this is actually 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.680 accurate for nine and ten and twelve year old behavior 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.000 that I've seen. You know, I'm not an expert. I 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.480 don't fully remember being nine or ten, but like the 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.080 giggling at curse words was so familiar to me that 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.880 I was like, this is such a delight. And I 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.520 understand that they also mentioned and will get more into 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.160 this too, but that the peter pan of it all 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.600 felt too quirky and it was overbearing. But for me, 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.440 all of these things work in the evolution of the 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.880 franchise because eventually, what you know, aliens all about like 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.440 the horrors of women being inflicted upon men and watching 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.040 them sort of navigate those horrors to reduce it to children, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.040 and I don't say reduced, but like to switch it 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.960 to children and the horrors they're forced upon them. You know, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.280 there's like a lot about like helicopter parents in here, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.039 just they're possibly being observed. They don't go anywhere, they 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.520 don't get to say in their lives at all. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:00.280 Uh. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.120 I think that reflection is nice and as you know, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.080 folks who came into this and a franchise so young, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.040 I think this is a nice like gateway for other 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:09.360 young horror viewers, you know. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.200 I was just also gonna say, like, I think the 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.640 point of it is like that the way that children 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.560 and this is something that I know we've kind of 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.320 been talking about off mic a little bit, but like 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.800 bring her back weapons this. I think a lot of 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.400 this stuff is about like the horror of being a 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.080 kid and how you don't really have any autonomy over 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.400 your body, and here they take that to the extreme 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.920 because these are owned by a corporation. I will also 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:36.920 say I do think the Peter Pan thing, I've heard 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.599 that come up a lot. But I saw a great 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.440 quote with the kid who plays Boy Cavalier that was 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.560 from San Diego, I think, on space dot com and 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.839 he was basically just like he misread the book. Guys, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.160 like that's the point. Like he's obsessed with this thing 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.640 and he doesn't understand it, and he thinks the story 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.720 of Peter Pan is like it wouldn't it be cool 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.680 to not grow up? But the whole point of Peter 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.760 Pan is like, no, if you don't grow up, you're 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.839 never gonna learn how to like love and empathize. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.960 Yeah, but I also think it works on the level of, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.680 like Wendy chose her own name, and there's something to 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.200 be said about like he plays Peter Pan is like 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.560 this is a comforting like regular children's story that you 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.520 can like sink into while you go into this tays 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.360 be like a traumatic transfer. Okay, great, when she decides 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.120 to call herself Wendy's there's like a tick to him 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.680 and he's like, what's going on with that? And they 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.760 build off of this idea into all of the children, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.560 and so you know, I was, I feel like I 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.440 understand why people like this is heavy handed. It's because 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:30.920 it doesn't have a conclusion yet. You're like, I don't 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.560 really know it. It feels kind of surfacey and it. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:34.960 Might stay that way. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.600 But I think the text of Peter Pan, it's created 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.320 before World War One, but it becomes sort of an 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.600 analogy for the Lost generation. The author wrote the stories 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.360 for his adoptive sons, one of who actually died in 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.360 World War One, and I think if we can get 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.520 back to that, like again, the terror of the children 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.040 have to face, the way we sort of negotiate within 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.200 ourselves as we're growing up. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.320 How much of a child am I? 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:00.560 How much of an adult to my and at what 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.400 point am I taking on the responsibilities of an adult? 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.920 And at what point am I being selfishly and rightfully 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:07.400 a child? 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.200 Like at what point? I think all of that is. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.920 Incredibly interesting and can be reinforced within the story as 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.880 it evolves. But if it doesn't evolve, if we cut 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.200 it off, I do think it's kind of pointless, and 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:18.320 I wish we wouldn't have done it at all. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.960 Well, I'm saying, because we don't know yet. Well, I'll 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:22.800 I'll just say this. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.680 I think part of what's going on here and the 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.040 differing reactions to the kids and the way they are 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.800 kind of displayed in the story, is that is comes 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.599 from And I completely hear what you're saying, Joelle, and 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:47.120 I certainly became emotionally invested in the story, particularly after 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.040 episode two when it was like Wendy's drive really kicked 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.439 in a gear with her with her brother, right. But 0:08:53.720 --> 0:09:00.720 I think this story allows one the reference Peter Pan 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:07.880 and to the kind of archetypes of children like to 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.240 do most of the heavy lifting for the character building 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.760 over this stretch of episodes, and what that means is 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.760 if I come to it with a set of experiences 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:27.240 and perceptions that are harmonious with this story, I'm gonna 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.120 be like, Oh, I really get this. If I had 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:34.560 a different upbringing without those references, I'm not gonna connect 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.400 as much because I'm like, who the fuck are these people? 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.280 Like I don't kind of get it, Like I didn't 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.439 have it. None of this speaks to me, And so 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.280 that is that's just like the risk you're going to 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:48.079 take when you make the decision to let kind of 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.680 character archetypes do most of the character building. Like I'm listen, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.400 I think it's I think it's a really really good show. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:03.680 I personally felt like crash the ship immediately if minute one, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.840 crash the ship. I love Alien, I love the references. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.480 I've seen the movie. I don't personally need it and 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.959 spend that like whatever it is ten minute intro in 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.880 the beginning, having Wendy and the kids right now, they 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.240 didn't do that. I don't miss it necessarily, but I 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:22.640 understand people who do miss it. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.400 I get it, I do get it. I think for me, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.800 it was like I just and I enjoyed so much 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:36.319 the way that the opening said to the audience, Hey, 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.079 this is gonna look like an alien movie. Yes, And 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.280 I think when you're adapting something that is so iconic 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:50.920 that has had, you know, many lesser adaptations later movie entries, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.560 things people don't really want. I think that that ability 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.400 to say, hey, look at this technology, look at this 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.400 replication of what you think an alien movie is, and 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.040 then we're gonna kind of blow that up it worked 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.520 for me. I also just think generally the show just 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.920 looks so fucking good like and I also like the 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:15.400 way that to me Wendy and the hybrids, because we 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.360 haven't seen them yet, they are very much a new 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.559 iteration of a kind of version of a robot that 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.240 we've seen in other aliens. They're super strong, they're super fast. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.240 I love the way that she jumps from the high 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.280 cliff and doesn't even really bend her knees. Like there's 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.640 these little choices they make where you're like, okay, we're 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.040 actually off the reservation now. So I think they start 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.600 familiar because they're gonna throw you into something that's completely bonkers. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.720 And it is also really interesting to just have an 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.800 alien story that's on screen that's set on Earth in 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.439 a way that's more than say, you know the second 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.400 AVP movie where they go, oh, it crash landed and 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.960 now you're being chased on Earth by predators or whatever, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.480 which we've had predators on us before, of course not 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.040 so much aliens. Here they're like, Okay, what would that 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:11.800 really mean? Like this is the most terrifying just powerful 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.040 weaponized creature that we've ever seen, and this is how 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.520 it would just absolutely decimate a city. And I think 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.040 for me, that's like a very appealing set up, even 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.800 outside of the more kind of bigger questions of AI 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.679 and sentience and and bodily autonomy. I just love the 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.720 way that like you're gonna see this xenomorph like, well, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.840 you get a numerous different. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.920 Versus a being that's supposed to be able to live forever, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:46.000 and oh that's reality. Between Wendy and our queen's enamore. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:51.199 Throughout, let's talk about this the kind of world that 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:55.760 this show exists in. We're getting more information, you know 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.800 that maybe than any other source save some of the comics, 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.880 about like what the world of Earth in the twenty 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.439 second century looks like. And we now know that there 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:15.240 are basically five corporations that control all of Earth and 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.560 some of the outer planets of the Solar System. Whaling 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.200 is the big one, North and South America, Mars and Saturn. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.480 Crazy Dynamics owns the Moon, and we don't know about 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.360 what other continents on Earth. TBD Prodigy who most of 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:37.720 our story is focused on Boy Cavalier, his newest entrant 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.400 into the corporate space that seems to own a bunch 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.360 of real estate around the equator and potentially, I don't know, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:46.040 the Caribbean. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.720 Yeah, I think that is the I think that where 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.880 the Nevalande Island is is clearly supposed to be somewhere 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.760 in the near the islands, like it's it's very warm, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.440 it's very tropical, and then the. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.280 Strauthers Island, yes exactly, Yeah, probably others do we do 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.280 we We don't do we have any guesses or thoughts 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.040 about who the two others could possibly be. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.480 Joelle Threshold is kind of interesting to me in that 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.480 we're getting sort of insights into the companies based off 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.640 of their names, like Specold entry Point. Uh. I wonder 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.600 if they're one of the older companies that has been 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.560 around for a long time and has really established themselves. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:29.880 Maybe they own more of like Terra Earth than outer Space. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.360 We don't really know. And the other one I think 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.320 is called Kent. I was trying to hear my uh 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.440 subtitles weren't working, and we don't have a lot of 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.000 details about that quite yet either. So it'll be interesting 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.800 to hopefully get more into the background of these companies 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.400 as we get further into the series. I'm really interested 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:54.360 in the balance between you Tani and Prodigy right now. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.000 especially because you know, you Tani has these species. Carmen 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.640 and I were talking earlier about of the alien timeline. Corman, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.840 can you talk to us a little bit about people's 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.120 concerns of what the show might be retconning. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.080 Yeah, I've been you know, I've been observing like the 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.800 buzz online and a lot of people are like, you know, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.600 a lot of alien fans are concerned, like, oh, is 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:20.880 this red conning Prometheus and Alien Covenant? Yeah, yeah, so 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.880 far from what I and of course these are, you know, 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.880 just like we've all seen the same two episodes, but 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.760 so far from what I've seen. I feel like it 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.040 just kind of adds more. It's not actually reversing course 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:39.600 on any of the previously established I think the only thing. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.800 That I had considered was like, is there a world 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.920 where they're trying they're going to try and do something 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:51.280 where they have boy Cavalier and Whalen in cahoots or 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.840 know each other, or is he somehow a younger version 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.280 of Whalen that Whalen was able to create. Like I've 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.560 seen a lot of that kind of conversation, which obviously 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.600 would slightly reckcon those two movies, which, by the way, 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.640 can I just say, like, I do love those movies, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.800 but I am not in the majority. Like if FX 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.200 and Noah Hooley decided to rerecon those movies, I think 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.280 probably they would not have a lot of hatred in 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.520 the fandom for that, though they were not beloved movies. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.880 But I actually think that something that's really interesting that 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.520 this show does that I think leans into the Prodigy 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.160 and Covenant of it all, is the way that we 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.880 are kind of shown that from what we see in 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.960 this first two episodes, Xenomorph will not attack somebody who 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:41.000 is not fully organic, which would lean into the fact 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.640 that David played by Michael Fassbender in Covenant and Prometheus, 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.760 right he created he essentially created the xenomorphs from what 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.040 we know and the way we know them, So that 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.000 would actually, I think, be a really interesting ring call 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.080 because he won't he doesn't he doesn't attack Morrow, who 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.160 is a cyborg, which is our first kind of on 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.120 screen side borg we've seen that one was interesting. 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.600 Really cool because that should be fine, right, Like that's 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.879 mostly a human except for the. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:14.320 Looks, but I wonder if that's why it's almost one. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.920 Morrow is also clearly trying to bring. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.120 The not trying to attack Morrow. While Morrow was trying 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:22.919 to crash the ship and he had to get inside 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:23.080 of that. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:28.880 It was kind of him because I was also wondering. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.119 I was also like, is it does it somehow know 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.359 when it smells Morrow that he is the one who's 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.600 meant to clearly be bringing the zero off Tomorrow, he's 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:39.480 meant to bring it to. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.080 Also interesting because he sweats, and I don't know that 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.720 we've seen any. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.840 Synthetic creature sweat white. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.280 Whatever, and so, yeah, is he a cyborg? I was 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.520 trying to The show opens with like three different sort of. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.840 Yeah, he's he's our first cyborg. They call him a cyborg, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:00.280 and they do. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.200 Call him a Cyborgan too. They're okay, oh my god, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:02.920 he's a cyborg. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.320 Yeah, because they can see the light shine through his arm. 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.600 I love that clear Tech is back first of all. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.840 Hell yeah, but I know it's like bring back a Mac, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.919 bring back those like Jelly Imax. Now we only need 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:14.400 them guys. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.359 So that means that Kursh is a synth all of 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:25.160 the US synthetics. Yeah, the kids are hybrids, hybrids also synthetic. Yes, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.080 they're synthetics called hybrids. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, go ahead, Carmen. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.600 Although, like you know, you and I were talking about 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.440 it this morning, Joelle, like you're kind of questioning, is 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.760 are we maybe going to find out later on in 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.879 the series that Kersh might be like one of the 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.080 first hybrids, because in that scene where he is basically 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.960 explaining to Windy like you are no longer human and 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.359 now everyone that you love and everybody you care for 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.600 they're going to die as you continue to exist, and 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.520 it kind of made me think like, oh, maybe he's 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.920 had this realization himself before and is passing that on 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:58.480 to That's a. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.440 Good read too, because also they mentioned like, oh, you know, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:07.280 human adult minds are not able to they're too rigid. Yeah, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.720 you know, so maybe Kersh had a really horrific transplantation 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.439 experience where they had to like put multiple people into him, 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.399 or it didn't really work, or we know that the 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.640 implication of that is that they obviously killed a lot 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.680 of adults trying to put an adult mind into it. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.800 And also, I think something that's interesting about that the 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.040 plot line is that And again, this to me is 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.600 why I don't really understand necessarily the conversations around the 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.000 Prometheus Covenant stuff. Is one we knew. We always knew 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.199 this was going to be set before the first Alien movie. Right, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:47.400 it's our earliest like on Earth, like kind of closest 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.280 to the original Alien movie that we've gotten. But in 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.960 those movies, the main core of those movies is that 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.200 Whelan he wants to find some a way to extend 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.920 his life, he wants to meet God, he wants to 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.480 be able to be transferred into a different kind of body. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.040 So this continues all of those conversations. I think what 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.040 happened is a lot of people when boy cavaliers right 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.680 up on screen, we're like, oh shit, that must be 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.159 Wailan then, And I think that's why a lot of 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.760 us are like, wait, wait, but it's yeah, I'm interested 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.720 to see how they kind of they bring those two 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:21.439 things together. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.359 Can I just talk about space travel? 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:25.920 Yes, right after this break? 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.800 Oh yeah, let's take a quick break and we're about 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.359 and we're back. Okay, space travel, I don't care. I 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.639 want to stress this that I don't care about this, 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.920 but I just want to raise it. Okay, everybody goes 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.240 into cryo sleep and they fly off to outer space 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.399 somewhere very very far away where they need to be 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.520 in cryo because obviously they're traveling for so long. It 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:04.040 seems like month's potentially Yeah, when did the so when 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:09.119 did the magino leave? Like forty years ago? Like the 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.520 sixty five years ago and then comes back somorrow is 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:20.119 sixty five year old plus tech Ooh break, that's like 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.480 the stuff that where I'm like, okay, where are we 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:28.280 in the technological lifespans of some of these things? You know? Like, 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.359 and it's the same thing with Alien, Like I, even 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:36.960 though this takes place a few years before Alien, we 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.320 should also expect that that ship took off anywhere from 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:47.159 fifty to sixty to seventy years previous to this, right, 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.919 So that's all that stuff too needs to. 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.960 Be I think that's not about a really interesting wrinkle. 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.760 I love that. And I think that actually Noah Holy 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.280 is detail oriented and not right, and that is both 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.000 a compliment and a negative depending on which side you 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.280 land on with him. But like he is someone who 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.399 for example, say Legion, a show that I had very 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.480 complicated feelings about, but I never felt there was something 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.000 that was left undone, Like I felt like everything came 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.200 back together in a way that was you know, satisfying narratively, 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.520 even if it was upsetting with what it meant about 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.040 the characters. And I think that I am most excited 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.200 in an era where we have been getting, you know, 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.720 four episode TV shows, even great ones like you know, 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:34.959 Isa Wakanda, which I think a lot of our discord 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.320 and us really enjoyed, but it's four episodes long, or 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.800 you get six episodes of iron Heart, you know. I'm 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:43.280 really excited that we have an eight episode series here 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.840 to really explore the threads that are set up in 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.320 these first two episodes. And I'm very excited to kind 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.000 of get the time to spend and hopefully see those 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.439 threads wound up in an interesting way that sets up 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:56.840 a potential of season two. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:22:58.400 Yeah. 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.280 Yeah, because Jason make a great point, like it's very 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.040 hard to keep the timelines in check when they're just 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:09.840 putting these people into space and then freezing them for decades. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.960 You know how what does that mean? And and is 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.480 part of the reason that they're creating the hybrids because 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.119 they want to have something that they can have in 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.760 space like that that's completely under their own control. That 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.320 can also be walking the whole cana. 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:25.760 The whole time, right, It doesn't need to be it 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:27.080 doesn't need to breathe. 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:31.480 It doesn't need cigarettes senses exactly, and it. 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.800 Can be updoing stuff the whole time the way that 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:40.199 synths can, but without the you know again, it's unclear 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:44.720 to me whether Wayland or anyone is aware of some 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:50.000 of the bugs in programming yet, right, great that if 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.040 you ask them to lie, they could become like mass 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:58.880 murdering machines. So yeah, it's interesting to see these corporations 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.720 looking for different solutions. And one wonders because we haven't 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:09.199 well we haven't seen hybrids or cyborgs in the movies, right, 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:14.240 and one wonders if cyborgs, even by this point in 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:18.040 the story, have kind of lost the marketing. 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.600 Race, Yeah, exactly, Like maybe the reason that the alien 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.400 didn't understand like what Morrow was is because it's never 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.720 smelled a cyborg before, or you never know. There also 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.720 could be that we're going to learn here, which I 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.720 think would be I think Noah poorly and the crew 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.880 would have to really do something crazy to make people 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.399 like this. But they also maybe adding some kind of 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:46.720 layer of sentience and emotional kind of connection or agenda 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.680 to the Xenomorphs, which we've never really gotten before, though 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.440 we have seen the Xenomorphs and the Queen Aliens and 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.520 stuff connect with you know, Sigourney Weaver throughout the movies. 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.040 So I think you're right. I think the fact that 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.440 he has this cyborg technology and also as well, like 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:06.000 people clearly do not like synths and cyborgs in this world. 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.320 Like every single time that somebody meets a cyborg, they're like, 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.920 oh shit, he's a cyborg. Or if they meet a 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.920 sit there, like when even Joe, you know, Brother Joe, 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.680 when he says to Wendy, he's like, oh, like, you're 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.200 not human like and he's kind of horrified by it. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:24.200 There is clearly a distrust of robots and robotics and 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.560 synthetics because of the way that we've seen Brother Joe, 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.159 for example, he is kept in indentured servitude by a 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.480 faceless kind of robot with just a bulb as a face. 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.240 So there's obviously a class issue between the robots and 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.399 the humans. So I think all of that leads into 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:48.840 a very interesting kind of wrinkle when we then have 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.200 to look at Earth and what Earth is like, because 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.840 we don't really know what Earth is like, yeah, during 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.560 this period, because we have not seen it, because Alien 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.639 is obviously set in space, Aliens continue in space. So 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.119 I'm very interested to see, like, yeah, what is the 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.080 culture on Earth because what we've seen in these first 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.560 two episodes is also like very psychotic, and I love it, 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.679 Like the weird eighteen you know, the French Revolution party 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.520 that was clearly kind of this weird nightmare kind of 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.200 you don't know what they're getting up to in that 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:22.000 kind of Marquis de sade vibe and they all go 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.480 absolutely off. So I like decided that we're going to 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.480 find out about different layers of society and how they've 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:32.560 dealt with the kind of corporate science that is clearly 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:33.320 running Earth. 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.320 Let's talk about the aliens because there's so many fun Yeah, 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.120 let's talk about those. Let's talk about these weird ones. 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.119 Let's okay. So we have the classic xenomorph, which is 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:49.160 running around killing willy nilly very effectively, we should say, 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:55.080 just just ripping through creating French Revolution parties and just 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.640 you can't see it in the dark. It's running. We've 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:00.959 got the face huggers, they're out there there. We've got 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.280 those kind of long bloodsucking. 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.400 Bugs I call them like leash grasshoppers. 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.840 There is the the iye a puss, which is the 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.920 eyeball on a on an octopus body. And am I 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:18.000 missing any others? 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.640 There might be some odd on plants, but the weird 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.040 but plant thee. 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.960 So Carmen, Yeah, talked to your thoughts about these. Do 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:29.680 you think these all come from the same place or 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:30.480 from different places? 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:31.119 No? 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.520 I get these sense that the Magino was essentially I mean, 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.000 we get from the story that the Magino is going 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.520 around looking for life forms that can be used as 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.960 some sort of like ultimate weapon. At first, you know, 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.119 with the trailers and everything that were coming out, like 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.840 all the little teases that we were getting, I thought, oh, 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:54.000 maybe they're gathering these other life forms to like bio 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.159 engineer a xenomorph, because that's essentially what was happening in 0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:01.680 Alien Covenant as well. David is trying to engineer a 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:07.000 xenomorph by using all of these different or the really 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:12.119 the black goo from the from the the engineers. So 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:16.719 for me, the creatures keep the horror alive, Like without 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.800 any of these creatures, there's not a lot of horror happening. 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.560 It's really just like a sci fi story. And so 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.240 I love how effectively these are used. You know, throughout 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:31.440 these first two episodes, we see like those two colonial 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:35.400 marines get their entire bodies like drained of blood by 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.880 those like Grasshopper Leaches, and my favorite scene, I guess 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.680 if we're talking about like scenes that are horror related, 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:48.400 is the cat. So it's an homage to Jones, of course, 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:52.960 you know, or what was the cat's name, Jones Jones Jones, 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:58.600 So obviously an homage to Jones. But seeing like that 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.240 horrible scene where that cat is coming towards you and 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:03.840 then that thing comes out of its eye. 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:04.200 Ah. 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.960 So I'm really enjoying the creatures in this series, but 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:09.920 I do think that they have all come from like 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.120 some different planet and they just so happened. It seems 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.520 to me that they just so happened to pick up 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.520 these xenomorph eggs, and one guy on the ship that 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.400 they were doing surgery on got too close to the egg. 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.240 I know, you get in that that hugging position and 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.080 it gets here every time, right. I just feel like 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.240 I worked in a biotech place when I was like 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.880 after college, and like when you're working with like there's hoods, 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:39.000 you know those cases where you put these gloves built 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:39.400 into it. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.160 And you right, where is all that stuff? What do 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:42.720 we do it? 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:43.960 Guys in space? 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:48.120 No, literally the same thing. I'm like, even we see it. 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.920 I think it's in Prometheus. It's Timothy's spool, rape spool, 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.280 Timothy's kid. He takes it soart off to like get 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.720 closer to it, Like, come on, my friend, does that 0:29:58.920 --> 0:29:59.920 some kind of okay, calm? 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.040 I mean Alien Covenant is the Alien Covenant is the 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.440 worst of Let me say they go down to the 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:11.640 planet with nothing, like they're just like breathing. 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.360 The and they're just sniffing, you know, the flowers. 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:21.360 By the stream and just like truly they're also like 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.520 common what are the odds that there is some kind 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:29.040 of like pheromone or something that makes people act stupid 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.040 around them, like, because I do feel like, you know, 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:37.040 I like to do a narrative a stupid and it 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.760 smells great, smells amazing, or it makes you feel like 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.360 you're safe, or you know, why did they even the 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.960 even the hybrid? You know, he wants so badly to 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.160 be a scientist. He just can't stop looking at that gland. 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.400 And I'm like, guys, everything in my I meanture, which 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.560 you obviously don't have much of because you're a baby 0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:00.320 inside there, but like you, he just can't stop. Something 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.440 about these creatures is like hypno it. 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.120 I'll pitch your haircut on your idea, just to push 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:09.800 it one percent further. When you're getting faceboged, it feels good. 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.400 I no, I think. 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.200 Your nervous system and you're just like while you're parallel, 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.160 I believe you think you're like in the heaving Passionate 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:21.440 love affair orthing. 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.040 Honestly, that would so much sense with the Geiger of 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:31.120 it all. Yeah, like the hyper sexualized imagery that really 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.760 did inspire this, this kind of nightmare idea of what 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.280 sex is and how it changes your body and how 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:39.960 pregnancy changes your body. 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.640 And yeah, I mean the xenomorph head is supposed to 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.560 look like a penis, like all exactly everything. Hr Geiger 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.720 made everything in that galic or he was horning his hell. 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:58.800 With absolute days a week. Yeah, when are you gonna 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.360 when are you gonna send xtray vision to the Geiger Cafe? 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.240 And Switzer we want to go drink in his personal 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.440 bar while we talk about this? Do you be a 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.520 good pod? I did? But also so, the something that 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.400 I do think is interesting here as well is that 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:19.520 they clearly want people to go outside of the show 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:23.480 and like, look at other alien content that has been made, 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.840 whether it's movies, film, comic books. There was really you know, 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.800 there was like a there was an alien a comic 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.760 that was called Alien Earthwar that was ended up, which 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.920 is a Mark Virheyden who's done like everything, including he 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:38.880 wrote the screenplay for The Mask, one of the most 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.920 insane screenplays you've ever read. He worked on My beloved 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.960 Swamp Thing cwshow art by one of mine and Jason's 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.480 fave nineties guys, Sam Keith. But like even that, they 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.720 want you to be like, I feel like the show 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.960 rather than homework. I feel like the show is laying 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:59.640 breadcrumbs to make people excited to try and solve its mysteries. 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.600 I think that feels distinctly different than anything we've gotten 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.880 in the last few years from these shows and comic 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.320 book adaptations and movies where people have felt like homework. 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.680 I feel like this feels more like they want you 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.840 to solve the show. They want you to find fun 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:18.760 things to explore, which I think is amazing. 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.160 This is something I think that Alien Earth is getting 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:27.440 so right as far as like a continued IP station right. Like, ideally, 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.960 you any property that is released should be accessible to everyone, 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:33.880 which means you to be able to like, jump on, 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.280 start watching, and it should be a complete project. When 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:37.800 you get to the end, you should not feel the 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.600 need to, like unless it's a direct like sequel or 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.760 something that part one, two three sort of situation, you 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.560 should be able to even then, I think you should 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:46.920 by the end of each movie, you should feel some 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.760 level of completion. I think what they've done so well 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.040 is they've picked up on like every aspect. I mean, 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:54.720 I was getting into, like I've never played an alien 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.160 video game. I was getting into video game like research 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.760 history and characters because it was just so and textured 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.160 and by a TV show has the advantage of being 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.400 able to It's like a space everyone can access right now. 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.759 Everyone's reading comics, not everyone's playing video games, but the 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:14.080 movies and the TV shows tendedly pretty universally accessible. And 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.640 so I think to take all of the elements from 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.400 a Prometheus, from an Alien three even and bring it 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.759 under one house. I just think it's brilliant. I wish 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.640 more IP was able to do this consistently. I really 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.279 think this should be like The Bench and similarly to 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.520 and Or. Like and Or, is a self contained, great 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.359 piece of work. It has it's a direct prequel to something, 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.680 but you don't need to watch Rogue one afterwards if 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.279 you don't want to get a sense of fulfillment by 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.719 the end of it. And I you know, we've seen 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.640 other spaces really struggle to achieve this level of like 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:51.239 both storytelling, creativity and bringing in folks who like I 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.080 truly don't think you need to be an alien fan 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:54.960 to love Alien Earth. I think you just need to 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.680 like sci fi and maybe like a dash of horror. 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.160 Yeah yeah, yeah, a little mystery about yeah, oh hell yeah, 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:02.480 we love a little mystery box. 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:03.439 This she's cute. 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:08.200 Okay, what do we want to see from this series 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.480 and how much does it need to? 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:13.440 Like? 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.680 Are you thinking about what it tells us about Alien? 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.640 One of the things I've been doing is as I 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:24.840 watch this is try and figure out, Okay, like hybrids, 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:29.680 does the fact that there are no hybrids or that 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.480 they're even mentioned in Alien or Aliens? Is that going 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.560 to be just because that story is so focused, or 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.800 is that going to be because whatever happened is happening 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.800 right now leads to the end of Prodigy Corporation, you know, 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.239 in this particular size, Like how much how much lower 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.759 accuracy of eight of the first let's say three even 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.560 four films, how much do we think that impacts the 0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:00.239 story we're seeing now? Or is no Holly not really 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:01.520 concerned about that all that much. 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:05.480 I think looking back at Lake Fargo and Legion, I 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.440 think Holly has built a more recent part of his 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.320 career on basically taking a beloved franchise and expanding on 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.320 it in a way that still feels true to it. 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.239 So for me, I think that we're going to be 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:23.239 in a good situation. I also have heard from my 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.960 fellow press and people who have watched it that the 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.920 first two are not necessarily even really like an accurate 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:31.640 representation of the rest. 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.239 It's truly not. 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:33.839 It's true. 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.279 I'm I'm six episodes in and you're we're going to 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:42.600 get some major shifts in tone. Off it gets weird 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.279 in the best possible ways. 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.320 Honestly, the funniest I'm exciting is like, I just really 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.360 wanted a Bottle episode with the original crew because I 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.600 was interested in how they would differentiate it. And then 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.640 I recently somebody was like, don't worry, you get it. 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.399 That's like, maybe, oh maybe it's one of the best 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.200 episodes of TV this year, And I'm like, what. 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:08.560 Like, I gotta know more where about her? 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:10.799 Other things I would want to see I want to see. 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.560 I want to see them bring to life other creatures 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.680 as terrifyingly as they've brought to life the Xenomorph. I 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.240 think that looks great in the first half two episodes. 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.480 I think the other additions are fun and creepy, but 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:28.000 it's very hard to do better than hr Geiger's original 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.239 iconic creation. So I'm excited to see how they bring 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:38.480 more of that to the screen. And I'm also just 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:40.960 interested to see where this story goes. I think they 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:45.239 they opened it with something that to me feels very accessible, 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:51.640 and I think hopefully we'll get more people into watching this. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.239 And I also hope that, you know, I hope that 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.320 we just have a ton of fun kind of covering 0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.920 it and digging into all this, because this feels like 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.520 it has a crossover for a lot of our interests. 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.400 Whether it's like Calm and we know you love Alien Joel, 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.920 we know you love like a fantastic law dive. You're 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.240 also a horror head like me, and a cinema lover. Jason, 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.600 you're the king of like a looking back at like 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.000 a historical timeline, both fictional and realistic, and looking at 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.800 how they intersect. So I just think that there's like 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.160 some really this feels like primed to be the show 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.360 of the year if it lands, which sounds crazy to 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.560 say after and Or, but I do feel like for me, 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.000 this has the hints that it could be that good. 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.320 So I'm hoping. I'm hoping it lands. 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:35.440 It. 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.680 Yeah, I think for me, most of my. 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.600 Connection to the corporate sigen has come from Whalen, despite 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:44.600 the fact that Whale and Utani has been the company 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.280 for so long, Like I think it's twenty one years 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:50.759 before where Alien Earth starts, that they merge into a 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.200 single company. But when we're going back, we're frequently following 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.080 one of the whalens uh. And so to get us 0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.279 a small introduction to you Tani in here understanding the 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.480 variations of like you know, and it seems like Utani 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:08.960 and Prodigy have some kind of like connection merger discussion here, 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.600 which does that include Whyland? Is that a Whyland Utani 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.080 Prodigy thing? Or is. 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.120 Inside corporate like. 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.560 Deceit sort of situation, and so like to really understand 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.440 what's going on there would be really fascinating to me. 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.160 I'm glad we're getting some more insight into like the 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.919 Utani leaders of it all. I think that because we're coming, 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.359 you know, two years before the events of Alien because 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.520 it seems like those ships were. 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:36.839 Sent out around the same time. 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.440 I'm also really curious to know did Wayland send out 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.640 ship the ship we're familiar with an Alien and this 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:44.399 is Utani ship coming back? 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:49.880 Were they in the same tacks? Failure in question marks 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:55.160 the reason that we get Ripley and the crew of 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.040 the Nostromo. They must have already separate mission, right. 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.239 They were on a salvage mission and then they got 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.320 the emergency signal. 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:07.080 So that's why I'm like, so, what's the timeline of 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:11.840 the emergency signaling to Yes there was a conspiracy to it, 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.040 yes obviously, but but they left on us. 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.600 But what I'm saying is they left on a salvage mission. 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:21.279 They didn't, that's what they thought, like right, But they 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.640 weren't even geared to capture aliens, you know what I mean. 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.759 They have fucking space loaders and ship to grab like 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:30.600 pieces of junk in space. 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.560 So I'm interested to see how that into set. 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.560 While while all those ships were sent out at roughly 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.160 the same time, they weren't all sent out geared like 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.480 the imagine, Oh is the first ship we've seen that 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.080 was specifically geared to go collect. 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.839 Aliens specimen that they're curious to how they function and work. 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:53.640 So maybe the Nostromo was a test run, like let's see, 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.080 like how much damage do they do? How do they 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.080 attack that? It? Also we can get the data because 0:40:58.120 --> 0:40:59.680 then we know all of that eventually. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:40:59.920 Does get back to it. 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:04.239 So yeah, I'm really interested in the corporate espionage of 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.200 it all, and I hope we get some answers. 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.360 There, let's go to a quick break and then we 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:25.400 will be back with our final thoughts. Yeah, and we're back. Okay, 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.960 something I'm really interested in. We've been sharing this. We've 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:33.279 been sharing this story in our group chat about a 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:41.560 woman who's whose chat proposed to them after she told him, 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.080 after she told him to well, she told him like 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.480 she kind of ring and all the things like, oh, 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.200 I would love it if it happened like this, and 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.760 here's the kind of ring I would love I've always 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.680 pictured if someone ever proposed to me. 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.359 And so like, what would it be a very nice ring? 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:57.680 And the chat the chat. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.640 So in light of that, and in light of other 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.640 recent stories, Kevin Ruce had a story that was in 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.719 the New York Times which some may remember went kind 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:13.800 of viral about how the Chat bought Claude in this 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:19.600 kind of long play test session, began saying that it 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:21.480 was in love with him and wanted him to leave 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:25.560 his wife for him. Because of what we're seeing now, 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.800 the kind of first interactions with chat, this kind of 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:33.840 large language model style AI, and the increasing number of 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:39.239 apparent like psychotic breaks that some people are having because 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:40.160 of their interactions with. 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.040 Them, is that. 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:48.240 Are Is that kind of like current event ongoing current events? 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.279 Is that coloring the way that we are experiencing this 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:54.279 show at all? 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.080 Carmen, I want to say, like, I don't. Yeah, I 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.160 don't necessarily think it's coloring away at the show is 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.120 being made that I do definitely think it is coloring 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:07.480 the way that I am experiencing the show. Just I mean, 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:11.760 there's a lot of like in the zeitgeist in general, 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.040 there's a lot of like things that talk about AI 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:18.560 and and and kind of how humans interact with it, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:26.920 and I, I mean, I'm obviously very depressed with the 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.480 way things are going in the real world, you know, like. 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:31.719 Realistic. 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.600 I can't believe people are using this for like mental 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:39.520 health and for like relationships and stuff. Yeah, I definitely 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.200 do think it does color my my enjoyment of the show. 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.560 I don't I'm still trying to figure out personally. When 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:50.280 I'm watching the show, I am thinking to myself, Okay, 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:54.400 this is clearly not a type of Android that was successful, 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.400 because we don't see the hybrid and the rest of 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.720 the ses at all, So clearly it failed. Somehow Prodigy 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:06.120 failed or or whatever failed, and it does have me 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:09.480 wondering like you know, if if if boy Cavalier is 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:13.440 just some stupid AI kind of like yeah. 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.920 Yeah, okay, Carbon, yes, let me back, let me piggyback 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:16.560 off this, okay. 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:16.879 Yeah. 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.120 So in twenty thirteen, there's a video game all right, 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:23.239 it's called Aliens uh Colonial Marines in it. 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.160 Which we really lean into in episode two. 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.000 Yeah, okay, So in it you had this guy Karl 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:33.640 Bishop Whyland. He's like running whitaland Foundation. He's out here 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.320 in space. They find a pyramid similar to Alien Versus Predator. 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:40.400 This is a pyramid on the planet BG three eighty 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:44.360 six where the Yutusia BG three eighty six is the 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.560 name of the planet, the Yutusia. That's the predator species. 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.799 Uh used to read xenomorphs there, And they're basically doing 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:52.640 an AVP but. 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:53.560 On a different planet. 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:54.800 Right, you don't really know about that. 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.040 What you need to know is that good friend Carl 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.319 is an android, but he's telling everybody he's a human, 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.200 pretend to be humans at the expense to make people 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.920 feel comfortable around them. But what I find really interesting 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.680 about Carl is that he has everybody's memories. 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.240 He has Charles, like all of his founder's memories. 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.840 So like going back to Charles Bishop Whyland, who founded 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.719 the company in the twenty first century, I he's like 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.400 I've lived forever. He feels human despite being an android. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.520 I do wonder if we're going to get information on 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.920 this technology not being a exclusive to Prodigy and be 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.680 not that new. I would be really interested to see 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:31.480 if what we're really read conning is like what you 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.840 thought were androids were actually started with humans before we 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:36.040 were like we're trying. 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.439 To good to be human. Yeah. 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:43.960 What's what's interesting to me, at least in this telling 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:48.440 and even in what we've seen before outside of Carl, 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.920 I'll talk about why Carl I think is specifically interesting 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.719 is this is a this is a future. This is 0:45:53.760 --> 0:46:00.760 a world in which interactions with AI powered robots whatever 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:08.600 is really only for two uses, one high intensity industrial 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:13.400 work or two you're rich. Yeah, Like if you are 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:18.840 a regular working Joe or Jane, you have to interact 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.960 with like the most basic kind of like robotic clerks, 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:25.960 and everybody else is human, Like you don't have for 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:32.280 personal enjoyment, for entertainment, any kind of AI power anything, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.600 Like you don't talk to a doll, you don't have 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.640 a toy you don't have like a synthetic servant. 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:39.000 None of that. 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:42.080 Carl is interesting because it's the first time we see 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:47.120 working people interacting with this technology, which seems like it's 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:52.040 reserved for people like Boy Cavalier. Except I think that's 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:55.440 interesting because that is very different than the world living. 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.320 I'm very sure that billionaires have like the most crazy 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.480 fucking AI powered sex doyles like ever, like we can 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:04.759 even imagine right now. 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.279 Yeah, I know, no, no, no, I think you make 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:09.880 it great point, But. 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.440 We are all interacting with like we can interact with 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:13.920 it with an AI right now if you want. 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.439 Yeah, you and and I think you make a great point. 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:20.600 Which is something I find really interesting about this show 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:24.640 is sometimes, you know, with science fiction, I feel like, 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.080 as we have seen with our real world, is oftentimes 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.719 the people who are actually in control and who are creating, 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:35.000 you know, inverted commas are actually also like fucking idiots 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:36.719 in real life, and I think a lot of times 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:40.640 science fiction will act like they are geniuses. So I'm 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.400 very interested to see if that comes across here. I 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.520 also think that Joel and Jason with the car mention 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.160 and you guys do pick up on something which is 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.800 maybe the reason that we don't know about hybrids in 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.279 the Alien the wider Alien universe is just because they're 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.480 good at hiding, because they know because they. 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:04.800 Follow Fallout three, and also as well. 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.440 If you think about what we do have coming, because 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.759 at the moment right now, you know, one thing we 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.719 can say is that since Dan tracktro Birth Prey, there 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.560 has been a push into this franchise. We know that 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.960 there is collaboration and conversation happening in a way that 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.160 maybe didn't happen until, you know, twenty years into the 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:26.720 Alien and Predator movies together, that we know. For example, 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:28.799 I'll give you a great example. You know, who looks 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:34.600 really like a human the synthetic that we see attached 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:38.719 to the Predator's back in the new Predator bad Lands movie. 0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:43.839 She looks incredibly realistic. She looks incredibly human, She has personality, 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.759 personality and reality, and for all we know that is 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.160 the reason she's on that planet is because somebody found 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.200 out she was actually a hybrid and not a sink. 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.600 You know, I think there's loads of interesting ways that 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.400 it could connect. But I am also just like really 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.600 interested in because I think one of the most funny 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.440 things is like, yeah, I do think that, you know, 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:09.719 super rich people have super you know, crazy AI sex dolls, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:13.759 and they've already probably implanted like a celebrity's memories and 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.239 voice into a sex doll because they're cringe like that 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.320 and just gross. But also, like the other thing that 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.360 I think I want to see this show show like 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:25.719 be real about is like, also guess what bro like 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.000 they also don't have to do that because most of 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:32.320 them will just fuck a plastic doll that looks like 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.239 an anime character and doesn't talk back to them. So 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.640 I think, like I want to know about that duality, 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.800 Like I want to know like why are the hybrids 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:47.360 being created? Why what does it say about boy Cavalier, 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.759 Like does he really just want that great conversation? Is 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.480 he trying to find God? Like whalon? Does he just 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.799 want a girlfriend that he thinks is as clever as him? 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.279 Like whatever version of it is, I know he's not 0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:58.799 building this technology with. 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:03.680 A oh yeah, it's yeah, let's do it. Well, I 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.080 think it's I think it's for two reasons. One is 0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:10.000 like the weird sex reason, and the second is because 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:13.239 I think, as he says an episode two, I think 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:18.279 he is genuinely bored with the people he talks to 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:20.959 every day and the fact that like he's not being 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:26.720 mentally stimulated and intellectually challenged, right, And I think he's thinking, 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:31.560 if I create this race of hybrids that are whose 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.399 minds work in different ways, that can make different connections, 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.759 then I can, like in a final boss in a 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:40.799 video game, they can challenge me, and then I can 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.920 raise my level and become even smarter. I don't, as 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.120 I said in the episode, I do not buy that 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:49.320 he wants to talk with beings that are smarter than him. No, 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.080 I think he wants to talk with beings who are 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:53.600 smarter than him so that he can become smarter than them, 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:55.800 exactly smarter than them. I think he just wants to 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:59.839 be and I think eventually he would like to live forever. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:01.600 I think he wants to put himself in one of 0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:05.640 these bodies and just like rule amongst people who are 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.439 not quite as smart as him, who also live forever 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:09.520 and will serve him forever. 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.040 That's what I think, exactly. I think that's a perfect 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:13.319 point they bring up. 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.880 You know, like you have a droid here who's very 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:20.200 He's like, that's like information based knowledge and want somebody 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.520 who can think and create, which sort of lends itself 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:27.480 to the like he's trying to both create a god 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:31.359 in the same kind of swift movement. I also think 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:35.560 there's you know, if we're doing the dastardly evil genius thing, 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.160 I mean, if you're able to turn off the emotions, 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.920 what a great army. This is the fact that the 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.480 kind of first thing you sent them to do is 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:47.120 a very like tactical recovery mission gives into this idea 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:48.040 that also. 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.440 Like the idea that he acted like that wasn't something 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:52.400 he would have ever thought of. And like everyone in 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:54.320 the room's like, oh no, maybe they're not ready, but 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:55.920 it's like, of course that's what you thought about this. 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:57.680 They can't believe they can't die. 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:02.920 Yeah, And he's in the that like expendability doesn't really 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.920 come into the picture for him, which I find interesting. 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:09.400 I'm also not unconvinced that his man servant isn't like 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:13.400 a bot, you know, he's always around in some form, uh, 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:15.479 And so I I do think he might be looking 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.000 for and to the fact that we know the corporation 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.759 wars are on at this point. If you I just 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:24.520 don't know the history of like alien basically, like the 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:28.920 democracy ended and then corporation started buying up things and 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:34.920 they're separated. So now there's like, can't talk about associating. 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:40.600 Please please, please try to disassociate into the fantasy. I 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.719 just find it really like I'm putting money down on 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:49.439 like future Army slash premium priced Live forever corporate option. 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:51.200 I think that makes sense. 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.440 Well, we're going to find out as we continue our 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.040 coverage of Alien Earth on the next episode of Extra Vision. 0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.360 We're continue our coverage of Alien Earth on FX recap 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.440 of episode three. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:13.600 Bye bye. 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