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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are joined by super producers Joe
Speaker 2: Monique and Carmon Lorenz to dig even deeper on the
Speaker 2: first two episodes of FX is Alien Earth, which is
Speaker 2: taking the Internet and the TV watching world by storm.
Speaker 2: We are going to discuss the evolution of the creatures
Speaker 2: and where we are. The timeline is alien as we
Speaker 2: know it? Have we been here before? It is the
Speaker 2: earliest part of the Alien timeline we've seen, what did
Speaker 2: we know about it? And we'll also be exploring some
Speaker 2: of the history of Whyland, Utawni's and their executives from
Speaker 2: the movies.
Speaker 1: But first let's bring in our super producers. Should talk
Speaker 1: about Neverland and Mister October. The first and second episodes
Speaker 1: of Alien Earth on FX. Carmen Joel, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Hey, greetings and salutation.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get let's get your overall thoughts first, Carmen, let's.
Speaker 2: Start with you.
Speaker 3: I'm having a really great time watching this. First two
Speaker 3: episodes were very enjoyable. I know, you know, I know
Speaker 3: that we don't need all of the Alien kind of
Speaker 3: nostalgia just stuff like that, We don't need all of it,
Speaker 3: but I did. I was a sucker for it. I
Speaker 3: have to admit I was a sucker for that little
Speaker 3: bit of nosogia. I'm like, yes, we are paying homage
Speaker 3: to the original property. We're keeping the spirit of the
Speaker 3: original property in mind, and I was thrilled when I
Speaker 3: saw that all of those elements were still there basically.
Speaker 3: And I'm enjoying the mystery as it unfolds because there
Speaker 3: are so many questions that I have for what is
Speaker 3: going on in this series, and I'm really hoping that,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't leave us with a bunch of
Speaker 3: un answered questions by episode eight. So we'll see, Joelle,
Speaker 3: your thoughts. I love this series.
Speaker 4: I was trying to contemplate the first time I saw Alien.
Speaker 4: It's one of those movies I've watched so young, probably
Speaker 4: between five or seven the first time I saw it,
Speaker 4: But it just is like a seminal ingrained part of
Speaker 4: my life. And to come into this series and have
Speaker 4: it not just be so well performed, like beautiful production design.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with these sets. I could just look at
Speaker 4: just like photos of the set forever. They're so rich
Speaker 4: in detail. But to also find us face swear a
Speaker 4: lot of different lore. I'm talking like potentially video game stuff,
Speaker 4: comic book stuff coming being woven into a Lord that's
Speaker 4: felt pretty sparse, you know, it's under the Disney umbrella.
Speaker 4: Now we're seeing a Predator property come out shortly that
Speaker 4: looks like it might have some overlapping connection. And it
Speaker 4: definitely has overlapping connection into the Alien universe, but perhaps
Speaker 4: there's like closer connection now since they're coming out so
Speaker 4: close together.
Speaker 1: I just I think it's.
Speaker 3: Android confirmed to be a Whailand Android.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's just.
Speaker 1: Say so, they're definitely connected.
Speaker 4: I just think that there's so much here to like
Speaker 4: dive into that I bullied you guys into doing a
Speaker 4: second episode so we could talk about it because I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm just enthralled with all of these characters
Speaker 4: from Tim's the Olafant's Kersh who's so weird and in
Speaker 4: the background and he's really cooking but not doing too
Speaker 4: much yet You're like, I know that that guy is
Speaker 4: gonna swing in.
Speaker 2: And I also I love these kids. It's early days
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 4: I know everyone's not yet sold on the children.
Speaker 2: But I love a child. I love a child.
Speaker 1: Hold on, we're jumping into it, so let's jump into
Speaker 1: that conversation. I want to say that, well, you should say,
Speaker 1: because you just came from a recording of a different
Speaker 1: podcast property in which I think people were much more
Speaker 1: not sold on the kids. Yeah, I want to say personally,
Speaker 1: I am not not sold. I am after specifically after
Speaker 1: episode two. I'm like all in on the show that
Speaker 1: said I did note I thought there were certain storytelling
Speaker 1: things that could have been stronger to build a more
Speaker 1: connection with the kids.
Speaker 2: It didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't personally end up missing it, but I did
Speaker 1: feel it there when I was watching it. But tell
Speaker 1: us about this, tell us about the insights of your
Speaker 1: fellow co host podcast, the podcast in the podcast that
Speaker 1: you just came from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what I'm hearing, and it has for
Speaker 4: a lot of different men who've seen the show. They're like,
Speaker 4: kids are too plucky, there's too much you know, just
Speaker 4: is this their proper aid? So we're like they're acting
Speaker 4: like their five year old I'm like, this is actually
Speaker 4: accurate for nine and ten and twelve year old behavior
Speaker 4: that I've seen. You know, I'm not an expert. I
Speaker 4: don't fully remember being nine or ten, but like the
Speaker 4: giggling at curse words was so familiar to me that
Speaker 4: I was like, this is such a delight. And I
Speaker 4: understand that they also mentioned and will get more into
Speaker 4: this too, but that the peter pan of it all
Speaker 4: felt too quirky and it was overbearing. But for me,
Speaker 4: all of these things work in the evolution of the
Speaker 4: franchise because eventually, what you know, aliens all about like
Speaker 4: the horrors of women being inflicted upon men and watching
Speaker 4: them sort of navigate those horrors to reduce it to children,
Speaker 4: and I don't say reduced, but like to switch it
Speaker 4: to children and the horrors they're forced upon them. You know,
Speaker 4: there's like a lot about like helicopter parents in here,
Speaker 4: just they're possibly being observed. They don't go anywhere, they
Speaker 4: don't get to say in their lives at all.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think that reflection is nice and as you know,
Speaker 4: folks who came into this and a franchise so young,
Speaker 4: I think this is a nice like gateway for other
Speaker 4: young horror viewers, you know.
Speaker 2: I was just also gonna say, like, I think the
Speaker 2: point of it is like that the way that children
Speaker 2: and this is something that I know we've kind of
Speaker 2: been talking about off mic a little bit, but like
Speaker 2: bring her back weapons this. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff is about like the horror of being a
Speaker 2: kid and how you don't really have any autonomy over
Speaker 2: your body, and here they take that to the extreme
Speaker 2: because these are owned by a corporation. I will also
Speaker 2: say I do think the Peter Pan thing, I've heard
Speaker 2: that come up a lot. But I saw a great
Speaker 2: quote with the kid who plays Boy Cavalier that was
Speaker 2: from San Diego, I think, on space dot com and
Speaker 2: he was basically just like he misread the book. Guys,
Speaker 2: like that's the point. Like he's obsessed with this thing
Speaker 2: and he doesn't understand it, and he thinks the story
Speaker 2: of Peter Pan is like it wouldn't it be cool
Speaker 2: to not grow up? But the whole point of Peter
Speaker 2: Pan is like, no, if you don't grow up, you're
Speaker 2: never gonna learn how to like love and empathize.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I also think it works on the level of,
Speaker 4: like Wendy chose her own name, and there's something to
Speaker 4: be said about like he plays Peter Pan is like
Speaker 4: this is a comforting like regular children's story that you
Speaker 4: can like sink into while you go into this tays
Speaker 4: be like a traumatic transfer. Okay, great, when she decides
Speaker 4: to call herself Wendy's there's like a tick to him
Speaker 4: and he's like, what's going on with that? And they
Speaker 4: build off of this idea into all of the children,
Speaker 4: and so you know, I was, I feel like I
Speaker 4: understand why people like this is heavy handed. It's because
Speaker 4: it doesn't have a conclusion yet. You're like, I don't
Speaker 4: really know it. It feels kind of surfacey and it.
Speaker 2: Might stay that way.
Speaker 4: But I think the text of Peter Pan, it's created
Speaker 4: before World War One, but it becomes sort of an
Speaker 4: analogy for the Lost generation. The author wrote the stories
Speaker 4: for his adoptive sons, one of who actually died in
Speaker 4: World War One, and I think if we can get
Speaker 4: back to that, like again, the terror of the children
Speaker 4: have to face, the way we sort of negotiate within
Speaker 4: ourselves as we're growing up.
Speaker 2: How much of a child am I?
Speaker 4: How much of an adult to my and at what
Speaker 4: point am I taking on the responsibilities of an adult?
Speaker 4: And at what point am I being selfishly and rightfully
Speaker 4: a child?
Speaker 2: Like at what point? I think all of that is.
Speaker 4: Incredibly interesting and can be reinforced within the story as
Speaker 4: it evolves. But if it doesn't evolve, if we cut
Speaker 4: it off, I do think it's kind of pointless, and
Speaker 4: I wish we wouldn't have done it at all.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying, because we don't know yet. Well, I'll
Speaker 2: I'll just say this.
Speaker 1: I think part of what's going on here and the
Speaker 1: differing reactions to the kids and the way they are
Speaker 1: kind of displayed in the story, is that is comes
Speaker 1: from And I completely hear what you're saying, Joelle, and
Speaker 1: I certainly became emotionally invested in the story, particularly after
Speaker 1: episode two when it was like Wendy's drive really kicked
Speaker 1: in a gear with her with her brother, right. But
Speaker 1: I think this story allows one the reference Peter Pan
Speaker 1: and to the kind of archetypes of children like to
Speaker 1: do most of the heavy lifting for the character building
Speaker 1: over this stretch of episodes, and what that means is
Speaker 1: if I come to it with a set of experiences
Speaker 1: and perceptions that are harmonious with this story, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, I really get this. If I had
Speaker 1: a different upbringing without those references, I'm not gonna connect
Speaker 1: as much because I'm like, who the fuck are these people?
Speaker 1: Like I don't kind of get it, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: have it. None of this speaks to me, And so
Speaker 1: that is that's just like the risk you're going to
Speaker 1: take when you make the decision to let kind of
Speaker 1: character archetypes do most of the character building. Like I'm listen,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a really really good show.
Speaker 1: I personally felt like crash the ship immediately if minute one,
Speaker 1: crash the ship. I love Alien, I love the references.
Speaker 1: I've seen the movie. I don't personally need it and
Speaker 1: spend that like whatever it is ten minute intro in
Speaker 1: the beginning, having Wendy and the kids right now, they
Speaker 1: didn't do that. I don't miss it necessarily, but I
Speaker 1: understand people who do miss it.
Speaker 2: I get it, I do get it. I think for me,
Speaker 2: it was like I just and I enjoyed so much
Speaker 2: the way that the opening said to the audience, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is gonna look like an alien movie. Yes, And
Speaker 2: I think when you're adapting something that is so iconic
Speaker 2: that has had, you know, many lesser adaptations later movie entries,
Speaker 2: things people don't really want. I think that that ability
Speaker 2: to say, hey, look at this technology, look at this
Speaker 2: replication of what you think an alien movie is, and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna kind of blow that up it worked
Speaker 2: for me. I also just think generally the show just
Speaker 2: looks so fucking good like and I also like the
Speaker 2: way that to me Wendy and the hybrids, because we
Speaker 2: haven't seen them yet, they are very much a new
Speaker 2: iteration of a kind of version of a robot that
Speaker 2: we've seen in other aliens. They're super strong, they're super fast.
Speaker 2: I love the way that she jumps from the high
Speaker 2: cliff and doesn't even really bend her knees. Like there's
Speaker 2: these little choices they make where you're like, okay, we're
Speaker 2: actually off the reservation now. So I think they start
Speaker 2: familiar because they're gonna throw you into something that's completely bonkers.
Speaker 2: And it is also really interesting to just have an
Speaker 2: alien story that's on screen that's set on Earth in
Speaker 2: a way that's more than say, you know the second
Speaker 2: AVP movie where they go, oh, it crash landed and
Speaker 2: now you're being chased on Earth by predators or whatever,
Speaker 2: which we've had predators on us before, of course not
Speaker 2: so much aliens. Here they're like, Okay, what would that
Speaker 2: really mean? Like this is the most terrifying just powerful
Speaker 2: weaponized creature that we've ever seen, and this is how
Speaker 2: it would just absolutely decimate a city. And I think
Speaker 2: for me, that's like a very appealing set up, even
Speaker 2: outside of the more kind of bigger questions of AI
Speaker 2: and sentience and and bodily autonomy. I just love the
Speaker 2: way that like you're gonna see this xenomorph like, well,
Speaker 2: you get a numerous different.
Speaker 4: Versus a being that's supposed to be able to live forever,
Speaker 4: and oh that's reality. Between Wendy and our queen's enamore.
Speaker 1: Throughout, let's talk about this the kind of world that
Speaker 1: this show exists in. We're getting more information, you know
Speaker 1: that maybe than any other source save some of the comics,
Speaker 1: about like what the world of Earth in the twenty
Speaker 1: second century looks like. And we now know that there
Speaker 1: are basically five corporations that control all of Earth and
Speaker 1: some of the outer planets of the Solar System. Whaling
Speaker 1: is the big one, North and South America, Mars and Saturn.
Speaker 1: Crazy Dynamics owns the Moon, and we don't know about
Speaker 1: what other continents on Earth. TBD Prodigy who most of
Speaker 1: our story is focused on Boy Cavalier, his newest entrant
Speaker 1: into the corporate space that seems to own a bunch
Speaker 1: of real estate around the equator and potentially, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is the I think that where
Speaker 2: the Nevalande Island is is clearly supposed to be somewhere
Speaker 2: in the near the islands, like it's it's very warm,
Speaker 2: it's very tropical, and then the.
Speaker 1: Strauthers Island, yes exactly, Yeah, probably others do we do
Speaker 1: we We don't do we have any guesses or thoughts
Speaker 1: about who the two others could possibly be.
Speaker 4: Joelle Threshold is kind of interesting to me in that
Speaker 4: we're getting sort of insights into the companies based off
Speaker 4: of their names, like Specold entry Point. Uh. I wonder
Speaker 4: if they're one of the older companies that has been
Speaker 4: around for a long time and has really established themselves.
Speaker 4: Maybe they own more of like Terra Earth than outer Space.
Speaker 4: We don't really know. And the other one I think
Speaker 4: is called Kent. I was trying to hear my uh
Speaker 4: subtitles weren't working, and we don't have a lot of
Speaker 4: details about that quite yet either. So it'll be interesting
Speaker 4: to hopefully get more into the background of these companies
Speaker 4: as we get further into the series. I'm really interested
Speaker 4: in the balance between you Tani and Prodigy right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: especially because you know, you Tani has these species. Carmen
Speaker 4: and I were talking earlier about of the alien timeline. Corman,
Speaker 4: can you talk to us a little bit about people's
Speaker 4: concerns of what the show might be retconning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been you know, I've been observing like the
Speaker 3: buzz online and a lot of people are like, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of alien fans are concerned, like, oh, is
Speaker 3: this red conning Prometheus and Alien Covenant? Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: far from what I and of course these are, you know,
Speaker 3: just like we've all seen the same two episodes, but
Speaker 3: so far from what I've seen. I feel like it
Speaker 3: just kind of adds more. It's not actually reversing course
Speaker 3: on any of the previously established I think the only thing.
Speaker 2: That I had considered was like, is there a world
Speaker 2: where they're trying they're going to try and do something
Speaker 2: where they have boy Cavalier and Whalen in cahoots or
Speaker 2: know each other, or is he somehow a younger version
Speaker 2: of Whalen that Whalen was able to create. Like I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of that kind of conversation, which obviously
Speaker 2: would slightly reckcon those two movies, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: can I just say, like, I do love those movies,
Speaker 2: but I am not in the majority. Like if FX
Speaker 2: and Noah Hooley decided to rerecon those movies, I think
Speaker 2: probably they would not have a lot of hatred in
Speaker 2: the fandom for that, though they were not beloved movies.
Speaker 2: But I actually think that something that's really interesting that
Speaker 2: this show does that I think leans into the Prodigy
Speaker 2: and Covenant of it all, is the way that we
Speaker 2: are kind of shown that from what we see in
Speaker 2: this first two episodes, Xenomorph will not attack somebody who
Speaker 2: is not fully organic, which would lean into the fact
Speaker 2: that David played by Michael Fassbender in Covenant and Prometheus,
Speaker 2: right he created he essentially created the xenomorphs from what
Speaker 2: we know and the way we know them, So that
Speaker 2: would actually, I think, be a really interesting ring call
Speaker 2: because he won't he doesn't he doesn't attack Morrow, who
Speaker 2: is a cyborg, which is our first kind of on
Speaker 2: screen side borg we've seen that one was interesting.
Speaker 1: Really cool because that should be fine, right, Like that's
Speaker 1: mostly a human except for the.
Speaker 2: Looks, but I wonder if that's why it's almost one.
Speaker 2: Morrow is also clearly trying to bring.
Speaker 3: The not trying to attack Morrow. While Morrow was trying
Speaker 3: to crash the ship and he had to get inside
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: It was kind of him because I was also wondering.
Speaker 2: I was also like, is it does it somehow know
Speaker 2: when it smells Morrow that he is the one who's
Speaker 2: meant to clearly be bringing the zero off Tomorrow, he's
Speaker 2: meant to bring it to.
Speaker 4: Also interesting because he sweats, and I don't know that
Speaker 4: we've seen any.
Speaker 3: Synthetic creature sweat white.
Speaker 4: Whatever, and so, yeah, is he a cyborg? I was
Speaker 4: trying to The show opens with like three different sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's our first cyborg. They call him a cyborg,
Speaker 2: and they do.
Speaker 1: Call him a Cyborgan too. They're okay, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's a cyborg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they can see the light shine through his arm.
Speaker 3: I love that clear Tech is back first of all.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, but I know it's like bring back a Mac,
Speaker 2: bring back those like Jelly Imax. Now we only need
Speaker 2: them guys.
Speaker 4: So that means that Kursh is a synth all of
Speaker 4: the US synthetics. Yeah, the kids are hybrids, hybrids also synthetic. Yes,
Speaker 4: they're synthetics called hybrids. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, go ahead, Carmen.
Speaker 3: Although, like you know, you and I were talking about
Speaker 3: it this morning, Joelle, like you're kind of questioning, is
Speaker 3: are we maybe going to find out later on in
Speaker 3: the series that Kersh might be like one of the
Speaker 3: first hybrids, because in that scene where he is basically
Speaker 3: explaining to Windy like you are no longer human and
Speaker 3: now everyone that you love and everybody you care for
Speaker 3: they're going to die as you continue to exist, and
Speaker 3: it kind of made me think like, oh, maybe he's
Speaker 3: had this realization himself before and is passing that on
Speaker 3: to That's a.
Speaker 2: Good read too, because also they mentioned like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: human adult minds are not able to they're too rigid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so maybe Kersh had a really horrific transplantation
Speaker 2: experience where they had to like put multiple people into him,
Speaker 2: or it didn't really work, or we know that the
Speaker 2: implication of that is that they obviously killed a lot
Speaker 2: of adults trying to put an adult mind into it.
Speaker 2: And also, I think something that's interesting about that the
Speaker 2: plot line is that And again, this to me is
Speaker 2: why I don't really understand necessarily the conversations around the
Speaker 2: Prometheus Covenant stuff. Is one we knew. We always knew
Speaker 2: this was going to be set before the first Alien movie. Right,
Speaker 2: it's our earliest like on Earth, like kind of closest
Speaker 2: to the original Alien movie that we've gotten. But in
Speaker 2: those movies, the main core of those movies is that
Speaker 2: Whelan he wants to find some a way to extend
Speaker 2: his life, he wants to meet God, he wants to
Speaker 2: be able to be transferred into a different kind of body.
Speaker 2: So this continues all of those conversations. I think what
Speaker 2: happened is a lot of people when boy cavaliers right
Speaker 2: up on screen, we're like, oh shit, that must be
Speaker 2: Wailan then, And I think that's why a lot of
Speaker 2: us are like, wait, wait, but it's yeah, I'm interested
Speaker 2: to see how they kind of they bring those two
Speaker 2: things together.
Speaker 1: Can I just talk about space travel?
Speaker 2: Yes, right after this break?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's take a quick break and we're about
Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay, space travel, I don't care. I
Speaker 1: want to stress this that I don't care about this,
Speaker 1: but I just want to raise it. Okay, everybody goes
Speaker 1: into cryo sleep and they fly off to outer space
Speaker 1: somewhere very very far away where they need to be
Speaker 1: in cryo because obviously they're traveling for so long. It
Speaker 1: seems like month's potentially Yeah, when did the so when
Speaker 1: did the magino leave? Like forty years ago? Like the
Speaker 1: sixty five years ago and then comes back somorrow is
Speaker 1: sixty five year old plus tech Ooh break, that's like
Speaker 1: the stuff that where I'm like, okay, where are we
Speaker 1: in the technological lifespans of some of these things? You know? Like,
Speaker 1: and it's the same thing with Alien, Like I, even
Speaker 1: though this takes place a few years before Alien, we
Speaker 1: should also expect that that ship took off anywhere from
Speaker 1: fifty to sixty to seventy years previous to this, right,
Speaker 1: So that's all that stuff too needs to.
Speaker 2: Be I think that's not about a really interesting wrinkle.
Speaker 2: I love that. And I think that actually Noah Holy
Speaker 2: is detail oriented and not right, and that is both
Speaker 2: a compliment and a negative depending on which side you
Speaker 2: land on with him. But like he is someone who
Speaker 2: for example, say Legion, a show that I had very
Speaker 2: complicated feelings about, but I never felt there was something
Speaker 2: that was left undone, Like I felt like everything came
Speaker 2: back together in a way that was you know, satisfying narratively,
Speaker 2: even if it was upsetting with what it meant about
Speaker 2: the characters. And I think that I am most excited
Speaker 2: in an era where we have been getting, you know,
Speaker 2: four episode TV shows, even great ones like you know,
Speaker 2: Isa Wakanda, which I think a lot of our discord
Speaker 2: and us really enjoyed, but it's four episodes long, or
Speaker 2: you get six episodes of iron Heart, you know. I'm
Speaker 2: really excited that we have an eight episode series here
Speaker 2: to really explore the threads that are set up in
Speaker 2: these first two episodes. And I'm very excited to kind
Speaker 2: of get the time to spend and hopefully see those
Speaker 2: threads wound up in an interesting way that sets up
Speaker 2: a potential of season two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Jason make a great point, like it's very
Speaker 2: hard to keep the timelines in check when they're just
Speaker 2: putting these people into space and then freezing them for decades.
Speaker 2: You know how what does that mean? And and is
Speaker 2: part of the reason that they're creating the hybrids because
Speaker 2: they want to have something that they can have in
Speaker 2: space like that that's completely under their own control. That
Speaker 2: can also be walking the whole cana.
Speaker 1: The whole time, right, It doesn't need to be it
Speaker 1: doesn't need to breathe.
Speaker 2: It doesn't need cigarettes senses exactly, and it.
Speaker 1: Can be updoing stuff the whole time the way that
Speaker 1: synths can, but without the you know again, it's unclear
Speaker 1: to me whether Wayland or anyone is aware of some
Speaker 1: of the bugs in programming yet, right, great that if
Speaker 1: you ask them to lie, they could become like mass
Speaker 1: murdering machines. So yeah, it's interesting to see these corporations
Speaker 1: looking for different solutions. And one wonders because we haven't
Speaker 1: well we haven't seen hybrids or cyborgs in the movies, right,
Speaker 1: and one wonders if cyborgs, even by this point in
Speaker 1: the story, have kind of lost the marketing.
Speaker 2: Race, Yeah, exactly, Like maybe the reason that the alien
Speaker 2: didn't understand like what Morrow was is because it's never
Speaker 2: smelled a cyborg before, or you never know. There also
Speaker 2: could be that we're going to learn here, which I
Speaker 2: think would be I think Noah poorly and the crew
Speaker 2: would have to really do something crazy to make people
Speaker 2: like this. But they also maybe adding some kind of
Speaker 2: layer of sentience and emotional kind of connection or agenda
Speaker 2: to the Xenomorphs, which we've never really gotten before, though
Speaker 2: we have seen the Xenomorphs and the Queen Aliens and
Speaker 2: stuff connect with you know, Sigourney Weaver throughout the movies.
Speaker 2: So I think you're right. I think the fact that
Speaker 2: he has this cyborg technology and also as well, like
Speaker 2: people clearly do not like synths and cyborgs in this world.
Speaker 2: Like every single time that somebody meets a cyborg, they're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, he's a cyborg. Or if they meet a
Speaker 2: sit there, like when even Joe, you know, Brother Joe,
Speaker 2: when he says to Wendy, he's like, oh, like, you're
Speaker 2: not human like and he's kind of horrified by it.
Speaker 2: There is clearly a distrust of robots and robotics and
Speaker 2: synthetics because of the way that we've seen Brother Joe,
Speaker 2: for example, he is kept in indentured servitude by a
Speaker 2: faceless kind of robot with just a bulb as a face.
Speaker 2: So there's obviously a class issue between the robots and
Speaker 2: the humans. So I think all of that leads into
Speaker 2: a very interesting kind of wrinkle when we then have
Speaker 2: to look at Earth and what Earth is like, because
Speaker 2: we don't really know what Earth is like, yeah, during
Speaker 2: this period, because we have not seen it, because Alien
Speaker 2: is obviously set in space, Aliens continue in space. So
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see, like, yeah, what is the
Speaker 2: culture on Earth because what we've seen in these first
Speaker 2: two episodes is also like very psychotic, and I love it,
Speaker 2: Like the weird eighteen you know, the French Revolution party
Speaker 2: that was clearly kind of this weird nightmare kind of
Speaker 2: you don't know what they're getting up to in that
Speaker 2: kind of Marquis de sade vibe and they all go
Speaker 2: absolutely off. So I like decided that we're going to
Speaker 2: find out about different layers of society and how they've
Speaker 2: dealt with the kind of corporate science that is clearly
Speaker 2: running Earth.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the aliens because there's so many fun Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about those. Let's talk about these weird ones.
Speaker 1: Let's okay. So we have the classic xenomorph, which is
Speaker 1: running around killing willy nilly very effectively, we should say,
Speaker 1: just just ripping through creating French Revolution parties and just
Speaker 1: you can't see it in the dark. It's running. We've
Speaker 1: got the face huggers, they're out there there. We've got
Speaker 1: those kind of long bloodsucking.
Speaker 3: Bugs I call them like leash grasshoppers.
Speaker 1: There is the the iye a puss, which is the
Speaker 1: eyeball on a on an octopus body. And am I
Speaker 1: missing any others?
Speaker 2: There might be some odd on plants, but the weird
Speaker 2: but plant thee.
Speaker 1: So Carmen, Yeah, talked to your thoughts about these. Do
Speaker 1: you think these all come from the same place or
Speaker 1: from different places?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I get these sense that the Magino was essentially I mean,
Speaker 3: we get from the story that the Magino is going
Speaker 3: around looking for life forms that can be used as
Speaker 3: some sort of like ultimate weapon. At first, you know,
Speaker 3: with the trailers and everything that were coming out, like
Speaker 3: all the little teases that we were getting, I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe they're gathering these other life forms to like bio
Speaker 3: engineer a xenomorph, because that's essentially what was happening in
Speaker 3: Alien Covenant as well. David is trying to engineer a
Speaker 3: xenomorph by using all of these different or the really
Speaker 3: the black goo from the from the the engineers. So
Speaker 3: for me, the creatures keep the horror alive, Like without
Speaker 3: any of these creatures, there's not a lot of horror happening.
Speaker 3: It's really just like a sci fi story. And so
Speaker 3: I love how effectively these are used. You know, throughout
Speaker 3: these first two episodes, we see like those two colonial
Speaker 3: marines get their entire bodies like drained of blood by
Speaker 3: those like Grasshopper Leaches, and my favorite scene, I guess
Speaker 3: if we're talking about like scenes that are horror related,
Speaker 3: is the cat. So it's an homage to Jones, of course,
Speaker 3: you know, or what was the cat's name, Jones Jones Jones,
Speaker 3: So obviously an homage to Jones. But seeing like that
Speaker 3: horrible scene where that cat is coming towards you and
Speaker 3: then that thing comes out of its eye.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: So I'm really enjoying the creatures in this series, but
Speaker 3: I do think that they have all come from like
Speaker 3: some different planet and they just so happened. It seems
Speaker 3: to me that they just so happened to pick up
Speaker 3: these xenomorph eggs, and one guy on the ship that
Speaker 3: they were doing surgery on got too close to the egg.
Speaker 1: I know, you get in that that hugging position and
Speaker 1: it gets here every time, right. I just feel like
Speaker 1: I worked in a biotech place when I was like
Speaker 1: after college, and like when you're working with like there's hoods,
Speaker 1: you know those cases where you put these gloves built
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: And you right, where is all that stuff? What do
Speaker 2: we do it?
Speaker 1: Guys in space?
Speaker 2: No, literally the same thing. I'm like, even we see it.
Speaker 2: I think it's in Prometheus. It's Timothy's spool, rape spool,
Speaker 2: Timothy's kid. He takes it soart off to like get
Speaker 2: closer to it, Like, come on, my friend, does that
Speaker 2: some kind of okay, calm?
Speaker 1: I mean Alien Covenant is the Alien Covenant is the
Speaker 1: worst of Let me say they go down to the
Speaker 1: planet with nothing, like they're just like breathing.
Speaker 3: The and they're just sniffing, you know, the flowers.
Speaker 2: By the stream and just like truly they're also like
Speaker 2: common what are the odds that there is some kind
Speaker 2: of like pheromone or something that makes people act stupid
Speaker 2: around them, like, because I do feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: I like to do a narrative a stupid and it
Speaker 2: smells great, smells amazing, or it makes you feel like
Speaker 2: you're safe, or you know, why did they even the
Speaker 2: even the hybrid? You know, he wants so badly to
Speaker 2: be a scientist. He just can't stop looking at that gland.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, guys, everything in my I meanture, which
Speaker 2: you obviously don't have much of because you're a baby
Speaker 2: inside there, but like you, he just can't stop. Something
Speaker 2: about these creatures is like hypno it.
Speaker 1: I'll pitch your haircut on your idea, just to push
Speaker 1: it one percent further. When you're getting faceboged, it feels good.
Speaker 2: I no, I think.
Speaker 1: Your nervous system and you're just like while you're parallel,
Speaker 1: I believe you think you're like in the heaving Passionate
Speaker 1: love affair orthing.
Speaker 2: Honestly, that would so much sense with the Geiger of
Speaker 2: it all. Yeah, like the hyper sexualized imagery that really
Speaker 2: did inspire this, this kind of nightmare idea of what
Speaker 2: sex is and how it changes your body and how
Speaker 2: pregnancy changes your body.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean the xenomorph head is supposed to
Speaker 3: look like a penis, like all exactly everything. Hr Geiger
Speaker 3: made everything in that galic or he was horning his hell.
Speaker 2: With absolute days a week. Yeah, when are you gonna
Speaker 2: when are you gonna send xtray vision to the Geiger Cafe?
Speaker 2: And Switzer we want to go drink in his personal
Speaker 2: bar while we talk about this? Do you be a
Speaker 2: good pod? I did? But also so, the something that
Speaker 2: I do think is interesting here as well is that
Speaker 2: they clearly want people to go outside of the show
Speaker 2: and like, look at other alien content that has been made,
Speaker 2: whether it's movies, film, comic books. There was really you know,
Speaker 2: there was like a there was an alien a comic
Speaker 2: that was called Alien Earthwar that was ended up, which
Speaker 2: is a Mark Virheyden who's done like everything, including he
Speaker 2: wrote the screenplay for The Mask, one of the most
Speaker 2: insane screenplays you've ever read. He worked on My beloved
Speaker 2: Swamp Thing cwshow art by one of mine and Jason's
Speaker 2: fave nineties guys, Sam Keith. But like even that, they
Speaker 2: want you to be like, I feel like the show
Speaker 2: rather than homework. I feel like the show is laying
Speaker 2: breadcrumbs to make people excited to try and solve its mysteries.
Speaker 2: I think that feels distinctly different than anything we've gotten
Speaker 2: in the last few years from these shows and comic
Speaker 2: book adaptations and movies where people have felt like homework.
Speaker 2: I feel like this feels more like they want you
Speaker 2: to solve the show. They want you to find fun
Speaker 2: things to explore, which I think is amazing.
Speaker 4: This is something I think that Alien Earth is getting
Speaker 4: so right as far as like a continued IP station right. Like, ideally,
Speaker 4: you any property that is released should be accessible to everyone,
Speaker 4: which means you to be able to like, jump on,
Speaker 4: start watching, and it should be a complete project. When
Speaker 4: you get to the end, you should not feel the
Speaker 4: need to, like unless it's a direct like sequel or
Speaker 4: something that part one, two three sort of situation, you
Speaker 4: should be able to even then, I think you should
Speaker 4: by the end of each movie, you should feel some
Speaker 4: level of completion. I think what they've done so well
Speaker 4: is they've picked up on like every aspect. I mean,
Speaker 4: I was getting into, like I've never played an alien
Speaker 4: video game. I was getting into video game like research
Speaker 4: history and characters because it was just so and textured
Speaker 4: and by a TV show has the advantage of being
Speaker 4: able to It's like a space everyone can access right now.
Speaker 4: Everyone's reading comics, not everyone's playing video games, but the
Speaker 4: movies and the TV shows tendedly pretty universally accessible. And
Speaker 4: so I think to take all of the elements from
Speaker 4: a Prometheus, from an Alien three even and bring it
Speaker 4: under one house. I just think it's brilliant. I wish
Speaker 4: more IP was able to do this consistently. I really
Speaker 4: think this should be like The Bench and similarly to
Speaker 4: and Or. Like and Or, is a self contained, great
Speaker 4: piece of work. It has it's a direct prequel to something,
Speaker 4: but you don't need to watch Rogue one afterwards if
Speaker 4: you don't want to get a sense of fulfillment by
Speaker 4: the end of it. And I you know, we've seen
Speaker 4: other spaces really struggle to achieve this level of like
Speaker 4: both storytelling, creativity and bringing in folks who like I
Speaker 4: truly don't think you need to be an alien fan
Speaker 4: to love Alien Earth. I think you just need to
Speaker 4: like sci fi and maybe like a dash of horror.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, a little mystery about yeah, oh hell yeah,
Speaker 4: we love a little mystery box.
Speaker 2: This she's cute.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do we want to see from this series
Speaker 1: and how much does it need to?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about what it tells us about Alien?
Speaker 1: One of the things I've been doing is as I
Speaker 1: watch this is try and figure out, Okay, like hybrids,
Speaker 1: does the fact that there are no hybrids or that
Speaker 1: they're even mentioned in Alien or Aliens? Is that going
Speaker 1: to be just because that story is so focused, or
Speaker 1: is that going to be because whatever happened is happening
Speaker 1: right now leads to the end of Prodigy Corporation, you know,
Speaker 1: in this particular size, Like how much how much lower
Speaker 1: accuracy of eight of the first let's say three even
Speaker 1: four films, how much do we think that impacts the
Speaker 1: story we're seeing now? Or is no Holly not really
Speaker 1: concerned about that all that much.
Speaker 2: I think looking back at Lake Fargo and Legion, I
Speaker 2: think Holly has built a more recent part of his
Speaker 2: career on basically taking a beloved franchise and expanding on
Speaker 2: it in a way that still feels true to it.
Speaker 2: So for me, I think that we're going to be
Speaker 2: in a good situation. I also have heard from my
Speaker 2: fellow press and people who have watched it that the
Speaker 2: first two are not necessarily even really like an accurate
Speaker 2: representation of the rest.
Speaker 3: It's truly not.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm six episodes in and you're we're going to
Speaker 4: get some major shifts in tone. Off it gets weird
Speaker 4: in the best possible ways.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the funniest I'm exciting is like, I just really
Speaker 2: wanted a Bottle episode with the original crew because I
Speaker 2: was interested in how they would differentiate it. And then
Speaker 2: I recently somebody was like, don't worry, you get it.
Speaker 2: That's like, maybe, oh maybe it's one of the best
Speaker 2: episodes of TV this year, And I'm like, what.
Speaker 3: Like, I gotta know more where about her?
Speaker 2: Other things I would want to see I want to see.
Speaker 2: I want to see them bring to life other creatures
Speaker 2: as terrifyingly as they've brought to life the Xenomorph. I
Speaker 2: think that looks great in the first half two episodes.
Speaker 2: I think the other additions are fun and creepy, but
Speaker 2: it's very hard to do better than hr Geiger's original
Speaker 2: iconic creation. So I'm excited to see how they bring
Speaker 2: more of that to the screen. And I'm also just
Speaker 2: interested to see where this story goes. I think they
Speaker 2: they opened it with something that to me feels very accessible,
Speaker 2: and I think hopefully we'll get more people into watching this.
Speaker 2: And I also hope that, you know, I hope that
Speaker 2: we just have a ton of fun kind of covering
Speaker 2: it and digging into all this, because this feels like
Speaker 2: it has a crossover for a lot of our interests.
Speaker 2: Whether it's like Calm and we know you love Alien Joel,
Speaker 2: we know you love like a fantastic law dive. You're
Speaker 2: also a horror head like me, and a cinema lover. Jason,
Speaker 2: you're the king of like a looking back at like
Speaker 2: a historical timeline, both fictional and realistic, and looking at
Speaker 2: how they intersect. So I just think that there's like
Speaker 2: some really this feels like primed to be the show
Speaker 2: of the year if it lands, which sounds crazy to
Speaker 2: say after and Or, but I do feel like for me,
Speaker 2: this has the hints that it could be that good.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping it lands.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, most of my.
Speaker 4: Connection to the corporate sigen has come from Whalen, despite
Speaker 4: the fact that Whale and Utani has been the company
Speaker 4: for so long, Like I think it's twenty one years
Speaker 4: before where Alien Earth starts, that they merge into a
Speaker 4: single company. But when we're going back, we're frequently following
Speaker 4: one of the whalens uh. And so to get us
Speaker 4: a small introduction to you Tani in here understanding the
Speaker 4: variations of like you know, and it seems like Utani
Speaker 4: and Prodigy have some kind of like connection merger discussion here,
Speaker 4: which does that include Whyland? Is that a Whyland Utani
Speaker 4: Prodigy thing? Or is.
Speaker 1: Inside corporate like.
Speaker 4: Deceit sort of situation, and so like to really understand
Speaker 4: what's going on there would be really fascinating to me.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we're getting some more insight into like the
Speaker 4: Utani leaders of it all. I think that because we're coming,
Speaker 4: you know, two years before the events of Alien because
Speaker 4: it seems like those ships were.
Speaker 1: Sent out around the same time.
Speaker 4: I'm also really curious to know did Wayland send out
Speaker 4: ship the ship we're familiar with an Alien and this
Speaker 4: is Utani ship coming back?
Speaker 2: Were they in the same tacks? Failure in question marks
Speaker 2: the reason that we get Ripley and the crew of
Speaker 2: the Nostromo. They must have already separate mission, right.
Speaker 1: They were on a salvage mission and then they got
Speaker 1: the emergency signal.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like, so, what's the timeline of
Speaker 2: the emergency signaling to Yes there was a conspiracy to it,
Speaker 2: yes obviously, but but they left on us.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is they left on a salvage mission.
Speaker 1: They didn't, that's what they thought, like right, But they
Speaker 1: weren't even geared to capture aliens, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They have fucking space loaders and ship to grab like
Speaker 1: pieces of junk in space.
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how that into set.
Speaker 1: While while all those ships were sent out at roughly
Speaker 1: the same time, they weren't all sent out geared like
Speaker 1: the imagine, Oh is the first ship we've seen that
Speaker 1: was specifically geared to go collect.
Speaker 4: Aliens specimen that they're curious to how they function and work.
Speaker 4: So maybe the Nostromo was a test run, like let's see,
Speaker 4: like how much damage do they do? How do they
Speaker 4: attack that? It? Also we can get the data because
Speaker 4: then we know all of that eventually.
Speaker 3: Does get back to it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm really interested in the corporate espionage of
Speaker 4: it all, and I hope we get some answers.
Speaker 1: There, let's go to a quick break and then we
Speaker 1: will be back with our final thoughts. Yeah, and we're back. Okay,
Speaker 1: something I'm really interested in. We've been sharing this. We've
Speaker 1: been sharing this story in our group chat about a
Speaker 1: woman who's whose chat proposed to them after she told him,
Speaker 1: after she told him to well, she told him like
Speaker 1: she kind of ring and all the things like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would love it if it happened like this, and
Speaker 1: here's the kind of ring I would love I've always
Speaker 1: pictured if someone ever proposed to me.
Speaker 3: And so like, what would it be a very nice ring?
Speaker 2: And the chat the chat.
Speaker 1: So in light of that, and in light of other
Speaker 1: recent stories, Kevin Ruce had a story that was in
Speaker 1: the New York Times which some may remember went kind
Speaker 1: of viral about how the Chat bought Claude in this
Speaker 1: kind of long play test session, began saying that it
Speaker 1: was in love with him and wanted him to leave
Speaker 1: his wife for him. Because of what we're seeing now,
Speaker 1: the kind of first interactions with chat, this kind of
Speaker 1: large language model style AI, and the increasing number of
Speaker 1: apparent like psychotic breaks that some people are having because
Speaker 1: of their interactions with.
Speaker 2: Them, is that.
Speaker 1: Are Is that kind of like current event ongoing current events?
Speaker 1: Is that coloring the way that we are experiencing this
Speaker 1: show at all?
Speaker 3: Carmen, I want to say, like, I don't. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think it's coloring away at the show is
Speaker 3: being made that I do definitely think it is coloring
Speaker 3: the way that I am experiencing the show. Just I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like in the zeitgeist in general,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like things that talk about AI
Speaker 3: and and and kind of how humans interact with it,
Speaker 3: and I, I mean, I'm obviously very depressed with the
Speaker 3: way things are going in the real world, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Realistic.
Speaker 3: I can't believe people are using this for like mental
Speaker 3: health and for like relationships and stuff. Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 3: do think it does color my my enjoyment of the show.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm still trying to figure out personally. When
Speaker 3: I'm watching the show, I am thinking to myself, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is clearly not a type of Android that was successful,
Speaker 3: because we don't see the hybrid and the rest of
Speaker 3: the ses at all, So clearly it failed. Somehow Prodigy
Speaker 3: failed or or whatever failed, and it does have me
Speaker 3: wondering like you know, if if if boy Cavalier is
Speaker 3: just some stupid AI kind of like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Carbon, yes, let me back, let me piggyback
Speaker 4: off this, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So in twenty thirteen, there's a video game all right,
Speaker 4: it's called Aliens uh Colonial Marines in it.
Speaker 2: Which we really lean into in episode two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So in it you had this guy Karl
Speaker 4: Bishop Whyland. He's like running whitaland Foundation. He's out here
Speaker 4: in space. They find a pyramid similar to Alien Versus Predator.
Speaker 4: This is a pyramid on the planet BG three eighty
Speaker 4: six where the Yutusia BG three eighty six is the
Speaker 4: name of the planet, the Yutusia. That's the predator species.
Speaker 4: Uh used to read xenomorphs there, And they're basically doing
Speaker 4: an AVP but.
Speaker 2: On a different planet.
Speaker 1: Right, you don't really know about that.
Speaker 4: What you need to know is that good friend Carl
Speaker 4: is an android, but he's telling everybody he's a human,
Speaker 4: pretend to be humans at the expense to make people
Speaker 4: feel comfortable around them. But what I find really interesting
Speaker 4: about Carl is that he has everybody's memories.
Speaker 1: He has Charles, like all of his founder's memories.
Speaker 4: So like going back to Charles Bishop Whyland, who founded
Speaker 4: the company in the twenty first century, I he's like
Speaker 4: I've lived forever. He feels human despite being an android.
Speaker 4: I do wonder if we're going to get information on
Speaker 4: this technology not being a exclusive to Prodigy and be
Speaker 4: not that new. I would be really interested to see
Speaker 4: if what we're really read conning is like what you
Speaker 4: thought were androids were actually started with humans before we
Speaker 4: were like we're trying.
Speaker 3: To good to be human. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's what's interesting to me, at least in this telling
Speaker 1: and even in what we've seen before outside of Carl,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about why Carl I think is specifically interesting
Speaker 1: is this is a this is a future. This is
Speaker 1: a world in which interactions with AI powered robots whatever
Speaker 1: is really only for two uses, one high intensity industrial
Speaker 1: work or two you're rich. Yeah, Like if you are
Speaker 1: a regular working Joe or Jane, you have to interact
Speaker 1: with like the most basic kind of like robotic clerks,
Speaker 1: and everybody else is human, Like you don't have for
Speaker 1: personal enjoyment, for entertainment, any kind of AI power anything,
Speaker 1: Like you don't talk to a doll, you don't have
Speaker 1: a toy you don't have like a synthetic servant.
Speaker 2: None of that.
Speaker 1: Carl is interesting because it's the first time we see
Speaker 1: working people interacting with this technology, which seems like it's
Speaker 1: reserved for people like Boy Cavalier. Except I think that's
Speaker 1: interesting because that is very different than the world living.
Speaker 1: I'm very sure that billionaires have like the most crazy
Speaker 1: fucking AI powered sex doyles like ever, like we can
Speaker 1: even imagine right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, no, no, no, I think you make
Speaker 2: it great point, But.
Speaker 1: We are all interacting with like we can interact with
Speaker 1: it with an AI right now if you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and and I think you make a great point.
Speaker 2: Which is something I find really interesting about this show
Speaker 2: is sometimes, you know, with science fiction, I feel like,
Speaker 2: as we have seen with our real world, is oftentimes
Speaker 2: the people who are actually in control and who are creating,
Speaker 2: you know, inverted commas are actually also like fucking idiots
Speaker 2: in real life, and I think a lot of times
Speaker 2: science fiction will act like they are geniuses. So I'm
Speaker 2: very interested to see if that comes across here. I
Speaker 2: also think that Joel and Jason with the car mention
Speaker 2: and you guys do pick up on something which is
Speaker 2: maybe the reason that we don't know about hybrids in
Speaker 2: the Alien the wider Alien universe is just because they're
Speaker 2: good at hiding, because they know because they.
Speaker 1: Follow Fallout three, and also as well.
Speaker 2: If you think about what we do have coming, because
Speaker 2: at the moment right now, you know, one thing we
Speaker 2: can say is that since Dan tracktro Birth Prey, there
Speaker 2: has been a push into this franchise. We know that
Speaker 2: there is collaboration and conversation happening in a way that
Speaker 2: maybe didn't happen until, you know, twenty years into the
Speaker 2: Alien and Predator movies together, that we know. For example,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a great example. You know, who looks
Speaker 2: really like a human the synthetic that we see attached
Speaker 2: to the Predator's back in the new Predator bad Lands movie.
Speaker 2: She looks incredibly realistic. She looks incredibly human, She has personality,
Speaker 2: personality and reality, and for all we know that is
Speaker 2: the reason she's on that planet is because somebody found
Speaker 2: out she was actually a hybrid and not a sink.
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's loads of interesting ways that
Speaker 2: it could connect. But I am also just like really
Speaker 2: interested in because I think one of the most funny
Speaker 2: things is like, yeah, I do think that, you know,
Speaker 2: super rich people have super you know, crazy AI sex dolls,
Speaker 2: and they've already probably implanted like a celebrity's memories and
Speaker 2: voice into a sex doll because they're cringe like that
Speaker 2: and just gross. But also, like the other thing that
Speaker 2: I think I want to see this show show like
Speaker 2: be real about is like, also guess what bro like
Speaker 2: they also don't have to do that because most of
Speaker 2: them will just fuck a plastic doll that looks like
Speaker 2: an anime character and doesn't talk back to them. So
Speaker 2: I think, like I want to know about that duality,
Speaker 2: Like I want to know like why are the hybrids
Speaker 2: being created? Why what does it say about boy Cavalier,
Speaker 2: Like does he really just want that great conversation? Is
Speaker 2: he trying to find God? Like whalon? Does he just
Speaker 2: want a girlfriend that he thinks is as clever as him?
Speaker 2: Like whatever version of it is, I know he's not
Speaker 2: building this technology with.
Speaker 1: A oh yeah, it's yeah, let's do it. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's for two reasons. One is
Speaker 1: like the weird sex reason, and the second is because
Speaker 1: I think, as he says an episode two, I think
Speaker 1: he is genuinely bored with the people he talks to
Speaker 1: every day and the fact that like he's not being
Speaker 1: mentally stimulated and intellectually challenged, right, And I think he's thinking,
Speaker 1: if I create this race of hybrids that are whose
Speaker 1: minds work in different ways, that can make different connections,
Speaker 1: then I can, like in a final boss in a
Speaker 1: video game, they can challenge me, and then I can
Speaker 1: raise my level and become even smarter. I don't, as
Speaker 1: I said in the episode, I do not buy that
Speaker 1: he wants to talk with beings that are smarter than him. No,
Speaker 1: I think he wants to talk with beings who are
Speaker 1: smarter than him so that he can become smarter than them,
Speaker 1: exactly smarter than them. I think he just wants to
Speaker 1: be and I think eventually he would like to live forever.
Speaker 1: I think he wants to put himself in one of
Speaker 1: these bodies and just like rule amongst people who are
Speaker 1: not quite as smart as him, who also live forever
Speaker 1: and will serve him forever.
Speaker 2: That's what I think, exactly. I think that's a perfect
Speaker 2: point they bring up.
Speaker 4: You know, like you have a droid here who's very
Speaker 4: He's like, that's like information based knowledge and want somebody
Speaker 4: who can think and create, which sort of lends itself
Speaker 4: to the like he's trying to both create a god
Speaker 4: in the same kind of swift movement. I also think
Speaker 4: there's you know, if we're doing the dastardly evil genius thing,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're able to turn off the emotions,
Speaker 4: what a great army. This is the fact that the
Speaker 4: kind of first thing you sent them to do is
Speaker 4: a very like tactical recovery mission gives into this idea
Speaker 4: that also.
Speaker 2: Like the idea that he acted like that wasn't something
Speaker 2: he would have ever thought of. And like everyone in
Speaker 2: the room's like, oh no, maybe they're not ready, but
Speaker 2: it's like, of course that's what you thought about this.
Speaker 2: They can't believe they can't die.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's in the that like expendability doesn't really
Speaker 4: come into the picture for him, which I find interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm also not unconvinced that his man servant isn't like
Speaker 4: a bot, you know, he's always around in some form, uh,
Speaker 4: And so I I do think he might be looking
Speaker 4: for and to the fact that we know the corporation
Speaker 4: wars are on at this point. If you I just
Speaker 4: don't know the history of like alien basically, like the
Speaker 4: democracy ended and then corporation started buying up things and
Speaker 4: they're separated. So now there's like, can't talk about associating.
Speaker 4: Please please, please try to disassociate into the fantasy. I
Speaker 4: just find it really like I'm putting money down on
Speaker 4: like future Army slash premium priced Live forever corporate option.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to find out as we continue our
Speaker 1: coverage of Alien Earth on the next episode of Extra Vision.
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