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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's Roundtable episode candid spoilers for Alien Earth Episode

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Speaker 1: we're bringing you three episodes a week and Tuesday Thursday,

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Speaker 1: I'm asked the summer's biggest movies on Friday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are joined by super producers Joe

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Speaker 2: Monique and Carmon Lorenz to dig even deeper on the

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Speaker 2: first two episodes of FX is Alien Earth, which is

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Speaker 2: taking the Internet and the TV watching world by storm.

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Speaker 2: We are going to discuss the evolution of the creatures

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Speaker 2: and where we are. The timeline is alien as we

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Speaker 2: know it? Have we been here before? It is the

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Speaker 2: earliest part of the Alien timeline we've seen, what did

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Speaker 2: we know about it? And we'll also be exploring some

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Speaker 2: of the history of Whyland, Utawni's and their executives from

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Speaker 1: But first let's bring in our super producers. Should talk

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Speaker 1: about Neverland and Mister October. The first and second episodes

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Speaker 1: of Alien Earth on FX. Carmen Joel, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Hey, greetings and salutation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get let's get your overall thoughts first, Carmen, let's.

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Speaker 2: Start with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm having a really great time watching this. First two

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Speaker 3: episodes were very enjoyable. I know, you know, I know

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Speaker 3: bit of nosogia. I'm like, yes, we are paying homage

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Speaker 3: And I'm enjoying the mystery as it unfolds because there

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Speaker 3: un answered questions by episode eight. So we'll see, Joelle,

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Speaker 3: your thoughts. I love this series.

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Speaker 4: I was trying to contemplate the first time I saw Alien.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those movies I've watched so young, probably

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Speaker 4: But it just is like a seminal ingrained part of

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Speaker 4: it not just be so well performed, like beautiful production design.

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Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with these sets. I could just look at

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Speaker 4: in detail. But to also find us face swear a

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Speaker 4: lot of different lore. I'm talking like potentially video game stuff,

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Speaker 4: Now we're seeing a Predator property come out shortly that

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Speaker 4: looks like it might have some overlapping connection. And it

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Speaker 4: definitely has overlapping connection into the Alien universe, but perhaps

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Speaker 1: I just I think it's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's just.

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Speaker 1: Say so, they're definitely connected.

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Speaker 4: I just think that there's so much here to like

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Speaker 2: And I also I love these kids. It's early days

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Speaker 1: Hold on, we're jumping into it, so let's jump into

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Speaker 1: that conversation. I want to say that, well, you should say,

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Speaker 1: murdering machines. So yeah, it's interesting to see these corporations

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00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: looking for different solutions. And one wonders because we haven't

436
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: well we haven't seen hybrids or cyborgs in the movies, right,

437
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: and one wonders if cyborgs, even by this point in

438
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: the story, have kind of lost the marketing.

439
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: Race, Yeah, exactly, Like maybe the reason that the alien

440
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: didn't understand like what Morrow was is because it's never

441
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: smelled a cyborg before, or you never know. There also

442
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: could be that we're going to learn here, which I

443
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: think would be I think Noah poorly and the crew

444
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: would have to really do something crazy to make people

445
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: like this. But they also maybe adding some kind of

446
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: layer of sentience and emotional kind of connection or agenda

447
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: to the Xenomorphs, which we've never really gotten before, though

448
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: we have seen the Xenomorphs and the Queen Aliens and

449
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: stuff connect with you know, Sigourney Weaver throughout the movies.

450
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: So I think you're right. I think the fact that

451
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: he has this cyborg technology and also as well, like

452
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: people clearly do not like synths and cyborgs in this world.

453
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: Like every single time that somebody meets a cyborg, they're like,

454
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: oh shit, he's a cyborg. Or if they meet a

455
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: sit there, like when even Joe, you know, Brother Joe,

456
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: when he says to Wendy, he's like, oh, like, you're

457
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: not human like and he's kind of horrified by it.

458
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: There is clearly a distrust of robots and robotics and

459
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: synthetics because of the way that we've seen Brother Joe,

460
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: for example, he is kept in indentured servitude by a

461
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: faceless kind of robot with just a bulb as a face.

462
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: So there's obviously a class issue between the robots and

463
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: the humans. So I think all of that leads into

464
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: a very interesting kind of wrinkle when we then have

465
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: to look at Earth and what Earth is like, because

466
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: we don't really know what Earth is like, yeah, during

467
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: this period, because we have not seen it, because Alien

468
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: is obviously set in space, Aliens continue in space. So

469
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see, like, yeah, what is the

470
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: culture on Earth because what we've seen in these first

471
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: two episodes is also like very psychotic, and I love it,

472
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: Like the weird eighteen you know, the French Revolution party

473
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: that was clearly kind of this weird nightmare kind of

474
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: you don't know what they're getting up to in that

475
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: kind of Marquis de sade vibe and they all go

476
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: absolutely off. So I like decided that we're going to

477
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: find out about different layers of society and how they've

478
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: dealt with the kind of corporate science that is clearly

479
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: running Earth.

480
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the aliens because there's so many fun Yeah,

481
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about those. Let's talk about these weird ones.

482
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: Let's okay. So we have the classic xenomorph, which is

483
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: running around killing willy nilly very effectively, we should say,

484
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: just just ripping through creating French Revolution parties and just

485
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: you can't see it in the dark. It's running. We've

486
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 1: got the face huggers, they're out there there. We've got

487
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: those kind of long bloodsucking.

488
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: Bugs I call them like leash grasshoppers.

489
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: There is the the iye a puss, which is the

490
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: eyeball on a on an octopus body. And am I

491
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: missing any others?

492
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: There might be some odd on plants, but the weird

493
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: but plant thee.

494
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: So Carmen, Yeah, talked to your thoughts about these. Do

495
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: you think these all come from the same place or

496
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: from different places?

497
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: No?

498
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: I get these sense that the Magino was essentially I mean,

499
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: we get from the story that the Magino is going

500
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: around looking for life forms that can be used as

501
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: some sort of like ultimate weapon. At first, you know,

502
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: with the trailers and everything that were coming out, like

503
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: all the little teases that we were getting, I thought, oh,

504
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: maybe they're gathering these other life forms to like bio

505
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: engineer a xenomorph, because that's essentially what was happening in

506
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: Alien Covenant as well. David is trying to engineer a

507
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: xenomorph by using all of these different or the really

508
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 3: the black goo from the from the the engineers. So

509
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 3: for me, the creatures keep the horror alive, Like without

510
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: any of these creatures, there's not a lot of horror happening.

511
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: It's really just like a sci fi story. And so

512
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: I love how effectively these are used. You know, throughout

513
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: these first two episodes, we see like those two colonial

514
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: marines get their entire bodies like drained of blood by

515
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: those like Grasshopper Leaches, and my favorite scene, I guess

516
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: if we're talking about like scenes that are horror related,

517
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: is the cat. So it's an homage to Jones, of course,

518
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: you know, or what was the cat's name, Jones Jones Jones,

519
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: So obviously an homage to Jones. But seeing like that

520
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: horrible scene where that cat is coming towards you and

521
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: then that thing comes out of its eye.

522
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: Ah.

523
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: So I'm really enjoying the creatures in this series, but

524
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: I do think that they have all come from like

525
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: some different planet and they just so happened. It seems

526
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: to me that they just so happened to pick up

527
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: these xenomorph eggs, and one guy on the ship that

528
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: they were doing surgery on got too close to the egg.

529
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: I know, you get in that that hugging position and

530
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: it gets here every time, right. I just feel like

531
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I worked in a biotech place when I was like

532
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: after college, and like when you're working with like there's hoods,

533
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: you know those cases where you put these gloves built

534
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: into it.

535
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: And you right, where is all that stuff? What do

536
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: we do it?

537
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Guys in space?

538
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: No, literally the same thing. I'm like, even we see it.

539
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: I think it's in Prometheus. It's Timothy's spool, rape spool,

540
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Timothy's kid. He takes it soart off to like get

541
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: closer to it, Like, come on, my friend, does that

542
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: some kind of okay, calm?

543
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean Alien Covenant is the Alien Covenant is the

544
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: worst of Let me say they go down to the

545
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: planet with nothing, like they're just like breathing.

546
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: The and they're just sniffing, you know, the flowers.

547
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: By the stream and just like truly they're also like

548
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: common what are the odds that there is some kind

549
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: of like pheromone or something that makes people act stupid

550
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: around them, like, because I do feel like, you know,

551
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: I like to do a narrative a stupid and it

552
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: smells great, smells amazing, or it makes you feel like

553
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: you're safe, or you know, why did they even the

554
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: even the hybrid? You know, he wants so badly to

555
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: be a scientist. He just can't stop looking at that gland.

556
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, guys, everything in my I meanture, which

557
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: you obviously don't have much of because you're a baby

558
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: inside there, but like you, he just can't stop. Something

559
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: about these creatures is like hypno it.

560
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: I'll pitch your haircut on your idea, just to push

561
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: it one percent further. When you're getting faceboged, it feels good.

562
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: I no, I think.

563
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: Your nervous system and you're just like while you're parallel,

564
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: I believe you think you're like in the heaving Passionate

565
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: love affair orthing.

566
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Honestly, that would so much sense with the Geiger of

567
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: it all. Yeah, like the hyper sexualized imagery that really

568
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: did inspire this, this kind of nightmare idea of what

569
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: sex is and how it changes your body and how

570
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: pregnancy changes your body.

571
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean the xenomorph head is supposed to

572
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: look like a penis, like all exactly everything. Hr Geiger

573
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: made everything in that galic or he was horning his hell.

574
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: With absolute days a week. Yeah, when are you gonna

575
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: when are you gonna send xtray vision to the Geiger Cafe?

576
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: And Switzer we want to go drink in his personal

577
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: bar while we talk about this? Do you be a

578
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: good pod? I did? But also so, the something that

579
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: I do think is interesting here as well is that

580
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: they clearly want people to go outside of the show

581
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: and like, look at other alien content that has been made,

582
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: whether it's movies, film, comic books. There was really you know,

583
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: there was like a there was an alien a comic

584
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: that was called Alien Earthwar that was ended up, which

585
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: is a Mark Virheyden who's done like everything, including he

586
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: wrote the screenplay for The Mask, one of the most

587
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: insane screenplays you've ever read. He worked on My beloved

588
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Swamp Thing cwshow art by one of mine and Jason's

589
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: fave nineties guys, Sam Keith. But like even that, they

590
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: want you to be like, I feel like the show

591
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: rather than homework. I feel like the show is laying

592
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: breadcrumbs to make people excited to try and solve its mysteries.

593
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: I think that feels distinctly different than anything we've gotten

594
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: in the last few years from these shows and comic

595
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: book adaptations and movies where people have felt like homework.

596
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: I feel like this feels more like they want you

597
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: to solve the show. They want you to find fun

598
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: things to explore, which I think is amazing.

599
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: This is something I think that Alien Earth is getting

600
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: so right as far as like a continued IP station right. Like, ideally,

601
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: you any property that is released should be accessible to everyone,

602
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: which means you to be able to like, jump on,

603
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: start watching, and it should be a complete project. When

604
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: you get to the end, you should not feel the

605
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: need to, like unless it's a direct like sequel or

606
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: something that part one, two three sort of situation, you

607
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: should be able to even then, I think you should

608
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: by the end of each movie, you should feel some

609
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: level of completion. I think what they've done so well

610
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: is they've picked up on like every aspect. I mean,

611
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: I was getting into, like I've never played an alien

612
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: video game. I was getting into video game like research

613
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: history and characters because it was just so and textured

614
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: and by a TV show has the advantage of being

615
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: able to It's like a space everyone can access right now.

616
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 4: Everyone's reading comics, not everyone's playing video games, but the

617
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: movies and the TV shows tendedly pretty universally accessible. And

618
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: so I think to take all of the elements from

619
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 4: a Prometheus, from an Alien three even and bring it

620
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: under one house. I just think it's brilliant. I wish

621
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: more IP was able to do this consistently. I really

622
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: think this should be like The Bench and similarly to

623
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: and Or. Like and Or, is a self contained, great

624
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 4: piece of work. It has it's a direct prequel to something,

625
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: but you don't need to watch Rogue one afterwards if

626
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: you don't want to get a sense of fulfillment by

627
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: the end of it. And I you know, we've seen

628
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: other spaces really struggle to achieve this level of like

629
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: both storytelling, creativity and bringing in folks who like I

630
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: truly don't think you need to be an alien fan

631
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: to love Alien Earth. I think you just need to

632
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: like sci fi and maybe like a dash of horror.

633
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, a little mystery about yeah, oh hell yeah,

634
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: we love a little mystery box.

635
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: This she's cute.

636
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: Okay, what do we want to see from this series

637
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: and how much does it need to?

638
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: Like?

639
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about what it tells us about Alien?

640
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: One of the things I've been doing is as I

641
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: watch this is try and figure out, Okay, like hybrids,

642
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: does the fact that there are no hybrids or that

643
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: they're even mentioned in Alien or Aliens? Is that going

644
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: to be just because that story is so focused, or

645
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: is that going to be because whatever happened is happening

646
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: right now leads to the end of Prodigy Corporation, you know,

647
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: in this particular size, Like how much how much lower

648
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: accuracy of eight of the first let's say three even

649
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: four films, how much do we think that impacts the

650
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: story we're seeing now? Or is no Holly not really

651
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: concerned about that all that much.

652
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: I think looking back at Lake Fargo and Legion, I

653
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: think Holly has built a more recent part of his

654
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: career on basically taking a beloved franchise and expanding on

655
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: it in a way that still feels true to it.

656
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: So for me, I think that we're going to be

657
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: in a good situation. I also have heard from my

658
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: fellow press and people who have watched it that the

659
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: first two are not necessarily even really like an accurate

660
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: representation of the rest.

661
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: It's truly not.

662
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: It's true.

663
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: I'm I'm six episodes in and you're we're going to

664
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: get some major shifts in tone. Off it gets weird

665
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: in the best possible ways.

666
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: Honestly, the funniest I'm exciting is like, I just really

667
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: wanted a Bottle episode with the original crew because I

668
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: was interested in how they would differentiate it. And then

669
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: I recently somebody was like, don't worry, you get it.

670
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: That's like, maybe, oh maybe it's one of the best

671
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: episodes of TV this year, And I'm like, what.

672
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: Like, I gotta know more where about her?

673
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: Other things I would want to see I want to see.

674
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: I want to see them bring to life other creatures

675
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: as terrifyingly as they've brought to life the Xenomorph. I

676
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: think that looks great in the first half two episodes.

677
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: I think the other additions are fun and creepy, but

678
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: it's very hard to do better than hr Geiger's original

679
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: iconic creation. So I'm excited to see how they bring

680
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: more of that to the screen. And I'm also just

681
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: interested to see where this story goes. I think they

682
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: they opened it with something that to me feels very accessible,

683
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: and I think hopefully we'll get more people into watching this.

684
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: And I also hope that, you know, I hope that

685
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: we just have a ton of fun kind of covering

686
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: it and digging into all this, because this feels like

687
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: it has a crossover for a lot of our interests.

688
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: Whether it's like Calm and we know you love Alien Joel,

689
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: we know you love like a fantastic law dive. You're

690
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: also a horror head like me, and a cinema lover. Jason,

691
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: you're the king of like a looking back at like

692
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: a historical timeline, both fictional and realistic, and looking at

693
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 2: how they intersect. So I just think that there's like

694
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: some really this feels like primed to be the show

695
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: of the year if it lands, which sounds crazy to

696
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: say after and Or, but I do feel like for me,

697
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: this has the hints that it could be that good.

698
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping it lands.

699
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: It.

700
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, most of my.

701
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: Connection to the corporate sigen has come from Whalen, despite

702
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: the fact that Whale and Utani has been the company

703
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 4: for so long, Like I think it's twenty one years

704
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 4: before where Alien Earth starts, that they merge into a

705
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: single company. But when we're going back, we're frequently following

706
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: one of the whalens uh. And so to get us

707
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: a small introduction to you Tani in here understanding the

708
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: variations of like you know, and it seems like Utani

709
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: and Prodigy have some kind of like connection merger discussion here,

710
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: which does that include Whyland? Is that a Whyland Utani

711
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: Prodigy thing? Or is.

712
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Inside corporate like.

713
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: Deceit sort of situation, and so like to really understand

714
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: what's going on there would be really fascinating to me.

715
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm glad we're getting some more insight into like the

716
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 4: Utani leaders of it all. I think that because we're coming,

717
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 4: you know, two years before the events of Alien because

718
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: it seems like those ships were.

719
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: Sent out around the same time.

720
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: I'm also really curious to know did Wayland send out

721
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: ship the ship we're familiar with an Alien and this

722
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: is Utani ship coming back?

723
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: Were they in the same tacks? Failure in question marks

724
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: the reason that we get Ripley and the crew of

725
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: the Nostromo. They must have already separate mission, right.

726
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: They were on a salvage mission and then they got

727
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: the emergency signal.

728
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like, so, what's the timeline of

729
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: the emergency signaling to Yes there was a conspiracy to it,

730
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: yes obviously, but but they left on us.

731
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is they left on a salvage mission.

732
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: They didn't, that's what they thought, like right, But they

733
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: weren't even geared to capture aliens, you know what I mean.

734
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: They have fucking space loaders and ship to grab like

735
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: pieces of junk in space.

736
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how that into set.

737
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: While while all those ships were sent out at roughly

738
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: the same time, they weren't all sent out geared like

739
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: the imagine, Oh is the first ship we've seen that

740
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: was specifically geared to go collect.

741
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 4: Aliens specimen that they're curious to how they function and work.

742
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: So maybe the Nostromo was a test run, like let's see,

743
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: like how much damage do they do? How do they

744
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 4: attack that? It? Also we can get the data because

745
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: then we know all of that eventually.

746
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: Does get back to it.

747
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm really interested in the corporate espionage of

748
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: it all, and I hope we get some answers.

749
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: There, let's go to a quick break and then we

750
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: will be back with our final thoughts. Yeah, and we're back. Okay,

751
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: something I'm really interested in. We've been sharing this. We've

752
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: been sharing this story in our group chat about a

753
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: woman who's whose chat proposed to them after she told him,

754
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: after she told him to well, she told him like

755
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: she kind of ring and all the things like, oh,

756
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I would love it if it happened like this, and

757
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: here's the kind of ring I would love I've always

758
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: pictured if someone ever proposed to me.

759
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: And so like, what would it be a very nice ring?

760
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: And the chat the chat.

761
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: So in light of that, and in light of other

762
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: recent stories, Kevin Ruce had a story that was in

763
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: the New York Times which some may remember went kind

764
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: of viral about how the Chat bought Claude in this

765
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: kind of long play test session, began saying that it

766
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: was in love with him and wanted him to leave

767
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: his wife for him. Because of what we're seeing now,

768
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: the kind of first interactions with chat, this kind of

769
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: large language model style AI, and the increasing number of

770
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: apparent like psychotic breaks that some people are having because

771
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: of their interactions with.

772
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: Them, is that.

773
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: Are Is that kind of like current event ongoing current events?

774
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: Is that coloring the way that we are experiencing this

775
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: show at all?

776
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: Carmen, I want to say, like, I don't. Yeah, I

777
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think it's coloring away at the show is

778
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: being made that I do definitely think it is coloring

779
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: the way that I am experiencing the show. Just I mean,

780
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like in the zeitgeist in general,

781
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like things that talk about AI

782
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: and and and kind of how humans interact with it,

783
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: and I, I mean, I'm obviously very depressed with the

784
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: way things are going in the real world, you know, like.

785
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Realistic.

786
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: I can't believe people are using this for like mental

787
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: health and for like relationships and stuff. Yeah, I definitely

788
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: do think it does color my my enjoyment of the show.

789
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: I don't I'm still trying to figure out personally. When

790
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm watching the show, I am thinking to myself, Okay,

791
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: this is clearly not a type of Android that was successful,

792
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: because we don't see the hybrid and the rest of

793
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: the ses at all, So clearly it failed. Somehow Prodigy

794
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: failed or or whatever failed, and it does have me

795
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: wondering like you know, if if if boy Cavalier is

796
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: just some stupid AI kind of like yeah.

797
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Carbon, yes, let me back, let me piggyback

798
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: off this, okay.

799
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

800
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: So in twenty thirteen, there's a video game all right,

801
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: it's called Aliens uh Colonial Marines in it.

802
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: Which we really lean into in episode two.

803
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So in it you had this guy Karl

804
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: Bishop Whyland. He's like running whitaland Foundation. He's out here

805
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 4: in space. They find a pyramid similar to Alien Versus Predator.

806
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: This is a pyramid on the planet BG three eighty

807
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 4: six where the Yutusia BG three eighty six is the

808
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: name of the planet, the Yutusia. That's the predator species.

809
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: Uh used to read xenomorphs there, And they're basically doing

810
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: an AVP but.

811
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: On a different planet.

812
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Right, you don't really know about that.

813
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: What you need to know is that good friend Carl

814
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: is an android, but he's telling everybody he's a human,

815
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: pretend to be humans at the expense to make people

816
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 4: feel comfortable around them. But what I find really interesting

817
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: about Carl is that he has everybody's memories.

818
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: He has Charles, like all of his founder's memories.

819
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 4: So like going back to Charles Bishop Whyland, who founded

820
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 4: the company in the twenty first century, I he's like

821
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: I've lived forever. He feels human despite being an android.

822
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: I do wonder if we're going to get information on

823
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: this technology not being a exclusive to Prodigy and be

824
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: not that new. I would be really interested to see

825
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: if what we're really read conning is like what you

826
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: thought were androids were actually started with humans before we

827
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: were like we're trying.

828
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: To good to be human. Yeah.

829
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: What's what's interesting to me, at least in this telling

830
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: and even in what we've seen before outside of Carl,

831
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: I'll talk about why Carl I think is specifically interesting

832
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: is this is a this is a future. This is

833
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: a world in which interactions with AI powered robots whatever

834
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: is really only for two uses, one high intensity industrial

835
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: work or two you're rich. Yeah, Like if you are

836
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: a regular working Joe or Jane, you have to interact

837
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: with like the most basic kind of like robotic clerks,

838
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: and everybody else is human, Like you don't have for

839
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: personal enjoyment, for entertainment, any kind of AI power anything,

840
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: Like you don't talk to a doll, you don't have

841
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: a toy you don't have like a synthetic servant.

842
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: None of that.

843
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Carl is interesting because it's the first time we see

844
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: working people interacting with this technology, which seems like it's

845
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: reserved for people like Boy Cavalier. Except I think that's

846
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: interesting because that is very different than the world living.

847
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm very sure that billionaires have like the most crazy

848
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: fucking AI powered sex doyles like ever, like we can

849
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: even imagine right now.

850
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, no, no, no, I think you make

851
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: it great point, But.

852
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: We are all interacting with like we can interact with

853
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: it with an AI right now if you want.

854
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and and I think you make a great point.

855
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Which is something I find really interesting about this show

856
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: is sometimes, you know, with science fiction, I feel like,

857
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: as we have seen with our real world, is oftentimes

858
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: the people who are actually in control and who are creating,

859
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, inverted commas are actually also like fucking idiots

860
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: in real life, and I think a lot of times

861
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: science fiction will act like they are geniuses. So I'm

862
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: very interested to see if that comes across here. I

863
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: also think that Joel and Jason with the car mention

864
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: and you guys do pick up on something which is

865
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: maybe the reason that we don't know about hybrids in

866
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: the Alien the wider Alien universe is just because they're

867
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: good at hiding, because they know because they.

868
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: Follow Fallout three, and also as well.

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Speaker 2: If you think about what we do have coming, because

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Speaker 2: at the moment right now, you know, one thing we

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Speaker 2: can say is that since Dan tracktro Birth Prey, there

872
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: has been a push into this franchise. We know that

873
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: there is collaboration and conversation happening in a way that

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Speaker 2: maybe didn't happen until, you know, twenty years into the

875
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Speaker 2: Alien and Predator movies together, that we know. For example,

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00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: I'll give you a great example. You know, who looks

877
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: really like a human the synthetic that we see attached

878
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: to the Predator's back in the new Predator bad Lands movie.

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00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: She looks incredibly realistic. She looks incredibly human, She has personality,

880
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: personality and reality, and for all we know that is

881
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: the reason she's on that planet is because somebody found

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Speaker 2: out she was actually a hybrid and not a sink.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think there's loads of interesting ways that

884
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: it could connect. But I am also just like really

885
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Speaker 2: interested in because I think one of the most funny

886
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: things is like, yeah, I do think that, you know,

887
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Speaker 2: super rich people have super you know, crazy AI sex dolls,

888
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Speaker 2: and they've already probably implanted like a celebrity's memories and

889
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: voice into a sex doll because they're cringe like that

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Speaker 2: and just gross. But also, like the other thing that

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Speaker 2: I think I want to see this show show like

892
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Speaker 2: be real about is like, also guess what bro like

893
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: they also don't have to do that because most of

894
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 2: them will just fuck a plastic doll that looks like

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Speaker 2: an anime character and doesn't talk back to them. So

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Speaker 2: I think, like I want to know about that duality,

897
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Speaker 2: Like I want to know like why are the hybrids

898
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: being created? Why what does it say about boy Cavalier,

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Speaker 2: Like does he really just want that great conversation? Is

900
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: he trying to find God? Like whalon? Does he just

901
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: want a girlfriend that he thinks is as clever as him?

902
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: Like whatever version of it is, I know he's not

903
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: building this technology with.

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Speaker 1: A oh yeah, it's yeah, let's do it. Well, I

905
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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's for two reasons. One is

906
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Speaker 1: like the weird sex reason, and the second is because

907
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Speaker 1: I think, as he says an episode two, I think

908
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Speaker 1: he is genuinely bored with the people he talks to

909
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Speaker 1: every day and the fact that like he's not being

910
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: mentally stimulated and intellectually challenged, right, And I think he's thinking,

911
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: if I create this race of hybrids that are whose

912
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: minds work in different ways, that can make different connections,

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Speaker 1: then I can, like in a final boss in a

914
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Speaker 1: video game, they can challenge me, and then I can

915
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: raise my level and become even smarter. I don't, as

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Speaker 1: I said in the episode, I do not buy that

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Speaker 1: he wants to talk with beings that are smarter than him. No,

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Speaker 1: I think he wants to talk with beings who are

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Speaker 1: smarter than him so that he can become smarter than them,

920
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Speaker 1: exactly smarter than them. I think he just wants to

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Speaker 1: be and I think eventually he would like to live forever.

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Speaker 1: I think he wants to put himself in one of

923
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Speaker 1: these bodies and just like rule amongst people who are

924
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Speaker 1: not quite as smart as him, who also live forever

925
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Speaker 1: and will serve him forever.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think, exactly. I think that's a perfect

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Speaker 2: point they bring up.

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Speaker 4: You know, like you have a droid here who's very

929
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Speaker 4: He's like, that's like information based knowledge and want somebody

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Speaker 4: who can think and create, which sort of lends itself

931
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Speaker 4: to the like he's trying to both create a god

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Speaker 4: in the same kind of swift movement. I also think

933
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Speaker 4: there's you know, if we're doing the dastardly evil genius thing,

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you're able to turn off the emotions,

935
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Speaker 4: what a great army. This is the fact that the

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Speaker 4: kind of first thing you sent them to do is

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Speaker 4: a very like tactical recovery mission gives into this idea

938
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Speaker 4: that also.

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Speaker 2: Like the idea that he acted like that wasn't something

940
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Speaker 2: he would have ever thought of. And like everyone in

941
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: the room's like, oh no, maybe they're not ready, but

942
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: it's like, of course that's what you thought about this.

943
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Speaker 2: They can't believe they can't die.

944
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's in the that like expendability doesn't really

945
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 4: come into the picture for him, which I find interesting.

946
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Speaker 4: I'm also not unconvinced that his man servant isn't like

947
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Speaker 4: a bot, you know, he's always around in some form, uh,

948
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Speaker 4: And so I I do think he might be looking

949
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Speaker 4: for and to the fact that we know the corporation

950
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Speaker 4: wars are on at this point. If you I just

951
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Speaker 4: don't know the history of like alien basically, like the

952
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 4: democracy ended and then corporation started buying up things and

953
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: they're separated. So now there's like, can't talk about associating.

954
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 4: Please please, please try to disassociate into the fantasy. I

955
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: just find it really like I'm putting money down on

956
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 4: like future Army slash premium priced Live forever corporate option.

957
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Speaker 2: I think that makes sense.

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00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to find out as we continue our

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Speaker 1: coverage of Alien Earth on the next episode of Extra Vision.

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Speaker 1: We're continue our coverage of Alien Earth on FX recap

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Speaker 1: of episode three. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: Bye bye. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion

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