1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Ruby. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rick Schwartz. 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: When z s World, I'm Marco went. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 3: Welcome to Amazing Wildlife, where we explore unique stories of 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: wildlife from around the world and uncovered fascinating animal facts. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 3: This podcast is a production of iHeartRadio's Ruby Studio and 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance, international nonprofit conservation organization which 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: oversees the San Diego Zoo and Safari Park. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 4: You know, RICKA, as you're saying all that, I'm just 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 4: looking around. 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: It just feels so good to. 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 4: Be here, right. 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of coming home for you right now, I. 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 4: Mean for our listeners. 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 5: You know, we are at the beautiful watering hole at 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 5: the San Diego Zoo Safari Park, my home away from home, right, 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 5: my favorite place on the planet. So what's going on here? 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 5: For instance, right now we have some rhinos factor, some 19 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 5: Southern white rhinos, which is great. You can actually hear 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 5: them snorting a little on the eating breakfast. 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 6: Make sure it was a sort I hope not, but right, 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 6: water Hill great spots for families, get a beautiful view 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 6: of this eighteen hundred acre conservation park. 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly. 25 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 4: And there's a reason, right signo, there's a reason why. 26 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: We're here well, because, as you mentioned, Conservation Park, this 27 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: is also the home of all of our science. 28 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: Really it happens. And we wrapped up the end of 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: season three with. 30 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: An interview with doctor Ryder about the Frozen zo because 31 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is the fiftieth anniversary of the Frozen Zoo. 32 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: Doctor Ryder, if you haven't heard that episode, go back 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: and listen to it. He was one of the very 34 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: first scientists to be a part of all the stuff 35 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: that was happening. But honestly it did start with doctor Bernerskin. 36 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: This was his idea. Unfortunately, he's not available for us 37 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: to do interviews with, but we do have his son, 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: Rolf Ernerski. 39 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Here with us. Thrilled to be here, certainly. 40 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: Really thank you so much for taking the time coming 41 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: down here. 42 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 4: Ranks right now. 43 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: We love it. 44 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: We're already talking before the interview started. 45 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 5: So many amazing stories, so we're very very happy that 46 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 5: you're here with us joining us. 47 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. You've heard from Ali. 48 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 7: Doctor Ryder was literally the first guy that dad hired 49 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 7: that got this whole thing started. 50 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: So I get into that well. 51 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: And he might the first guy that your dad hired, 52 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: as you said, but you've got stories of writing shotgun 53 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: with your dad. 54 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: Four it was even officially a thing. 55 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: Yet I would love to hear about from the beginning, 56 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: how did your dad get here? 57 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: What started the ideas? Really? For those who's your dad? Yes, yes, 58 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: let's go there. 59 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 7: You know, this is the question of My dad was 60 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 7: a German immigrant who found his way over after the 61 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 7: war became a doctor. But besides being extraordinarily bright, he 62 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 7: was very curious. 63 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: His whole life. He was curious. 64 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 7: I ended up being born in Boston, lived there was five, 65 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 7: then he moved us to New Hampshire Dartmouth College. He 66 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 7: was the pathology director chairman the Darth Medical spend time. 67 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 4: I spent a year out there. 68 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: Oh great country, I mean, not sunny San Diego, I 69 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 5: would say, you know, I did come back. You know, 70 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 5: the winters are a little rough, you know, but beautiful, 71 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 5: beautiful area. 72 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 7: But we love the winners as kids. So I lived 73 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 7: there from five to fifteen. I was a hockey player, 74 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 7: ski racer, tennis player, sorry player, loved life. My dad 75 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 7: was always curious, as I mentioned, and the question of 76 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 7: the day was why is a mule sterile? So this 77 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 7: was back in This is nineteen. So we moved out 78 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 7: here in nineteen seventies, so late sixties. 79 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Okay, sixties. 80 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: We didn't know why this was a thing. 81 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 7: No mules, obviously, you know, open up the West, huge 82 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 7: part of our culture. 83 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: Why would he even ask himself that question, Well. 84 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 7: He was curious scientifically, So a lot of you don't 85 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 7: even know what a mule is. It's a cross between 86 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 7: a horse and a donkey, so a good figure out. 87 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 7: So Dad goes, well, let's look at their chromosomes. So 88 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 7: it turns out the horse has sixty four chromosomes, a 89 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 7: donkey has sixty two, a mule has sixty three, an 90 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 7: uneven pair. They can't reproduce their sterile. So that led Dad. 91 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 7: They go, what about a Preswoski horse? What about an onaga? 92 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 7: What about a zebra? What about a gravy zero missus 93 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 7: Harbin's Mountain zebra. So, as kids, wherever we went, Dad 94 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 7: had a biopsy kit. We go to a different place, 95 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 7: and he talked his way into getting a biopsy, and 96 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 7: he would do the chromosomes of these animals. 97 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: Wow. 98 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 7: And for three years before he moved out of here, 99 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 7: he published fifty chromosomes fifty different animals in an atlas 100 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 7: every year. 101 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 102 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: And this was more of a hobby to do the 103 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: animal thing right. 104 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: His curiosity was. 105 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 7: When my dad died, he had written five hundred and 106 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 7: eighty nine scientific published ers, wow, thirty one books. He 107 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 7: was a determined individual and I was a kicker. He 108 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 7: was very disappointed, which is another show. 109 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: You will get to that and it's like, you know, 110 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: but what got you here? So that's the question. 111 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 7: So Dad gets recruited to help start the medical school 112 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 7: that you see San Diego. 113 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: Oh really here, oh here? So part of this was 114 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Part of the appeal was it was close 115 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: to the zoo. 116 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: Ah. 117 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 7: So he's thinking, so he goes, this is curiosity. So 118 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 7: he talks himself onto a committee. Charlie Schroeder was the 119 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 7: director who is the founder of this beautiful park was 120 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 7: being built at the time, and my dad actually challenged him. 121 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 7: So the Charlie, you're sitting on a diminishing asset. This 122 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 7: is going to be extinct in thirty years, Guitarge, what 123 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 7: are you talking about? These animals are endangered. When they 124 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 7: die here, you're not going to be able to go 125 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 7: to the wild to replace them. Yeah, yeah, really well, yes, 126 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 7: they're going to be assets of those countries. 127 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: What do we do about it? He asked. 128 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 7: Dad goes, you need to apply science. What do you 129 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 7: mean you need to understand how to breed them, take 130 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 7: care of their health, feed them correctly, develop self sustaining populations. 131 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 7: Doctor Shorter goes, well, how do you do you need 132 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 7: to apply science? What would do you need to start 133 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 7: a research center? So doctor Schroeder looks her. Dad goes, 134 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 7: all right, you starting. 135 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: Wow, jumping real quick. 136 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: I love the fact too that doctor Schroder was originally 137 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: a veterinarian, and even in his time of coming up, 138 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: he was doing a lot of new and unusual things 139 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: to try and learn about these exotic species that at 140 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: the time of his. 141 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: Career no one really knew about here in the States. 142 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 3: So the fact that your dad's going be more creative, 143 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: be more curious, and he's like, oh yeah, okay, let's 144 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: do it. 145 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Well. 146 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 7: Part of I know what people take out of this 147 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 7: is it's individuals that are unique thinkers that create change 148 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 7: in anything exactly right. So doctor Schroeder was one. He 149 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 7: had the vision for this safari park, which is in 150 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 7: the middle of nowhere. If you're from San Diego in 151 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 7: the nineteen seventies, right where. 152 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 5: It's so beautiful backdrop, beautiful country, stunning rich biodiversity here 153 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 5: en sample squa above. 154 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 7: Yes, so they're building this. Dad's running a research center 155 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 7: and the first guy he hires is doctor Ryder. But 156 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 7: in those early days I was in high school. Dad 157 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 7: told the keepers out here, if and the animal ever dice, 158 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 7: call me. It doesn't matter what time of day or night. 159 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 7: So there were many nights at one o'clock in the morning, 160 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 7: Dad would wait, come on, wrong, we gotta go. We 161 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 7: gotta go, and we drive out here, just he and 162 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 7: I to get us tissue Samplich. Dad knew the chromosomes. 163 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 7: He would freeze the rest just because he didn't know 164 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 7: what else to do with it. And that was the 165 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 7: beginning of the Frozen Zoo. 166 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 5: Wow, what, I'm not a morning person, so I'm like 167 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 5: my dad waking me up at one in the morning, 168 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 5: you know. 169 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: But Mark to say. 170 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 5: The experience for the kids listening right now, what is 171 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 5: that like? Having a scientist like that as a dad 172 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 5: and come in here to the Safari pack. Back then, 173 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 5: so again the message was curiosity. Now I wish I 174 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 5: got his intelligence. I got his curiosity, But I also 175 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 5: taught my dad about wildlife. 176 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 7: I was the one that was passionate about bird watching 177 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 7: and knowing where back in New Hampshire the deer bed 178 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 7: during the evening, the grouse Leigh, and where we could 179 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 7: find the woodshucks and how to find it totally. And 180 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 7: he then sort of applied the science to all of that. 181 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 7: And so the match made here with the research center, 182 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 7: the safari Park and the zoo is really his vision. 183 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: That's so cool. 184 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: I love the diverse different backgrounds too. 185 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 5: Have we all got positively affected by the beauty of 186 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 5: this one orful organisation? 187 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. 188 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: And to your point, Marko, I mean where we are 189 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: now and all we get to experience out here, a 190 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: lot of it. To your dad's point, if something wasn't 191 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: done scientifically and started thinking about that and preserving that 192 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: a lot of these animals wouldn't be here today. A 193 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: lot of animals and other zoos that we work with 194 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: wouldn't be a lot of animals we put back out 195 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: in the wild wouldn't be there today. 196 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 7: That's right, we're in front of the white rhinos. I 197 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 7: got to tell you this story. So I was a kid, 198 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 7: told you he was driving me out, you know, early 199 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 7: in the mornings out here. One day, my junior, he says, Ralph, 200 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 7: I got to drive this guy to La Airport, Tora. 201 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: But I can't do it? Can you do it? 202 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 7: So I drive this guy early in the morning. Don't 203 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 7: know who is I'm like the Uber. 204 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: Driver driver right, the original Uber driver. 205 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 7: It turns out he was the head of the Natal 206 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 7: Parks Board in South Africa, which is the game reserve 207 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 7: just north of Durban, South Africa. That was the Natal 208 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 7: Parks region. As we're driving north, he sees the sign 209 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 7: for Line Countries Afari. He look says, watching, if we 210 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 7: have time, can we stopping him? Uber Drivers as you 211 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 7: So we pull in there. It turns out that they 212 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 7: had just sent six Southern white rhinos from this little 213 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 7: game reserve, the Omflozi Game Reserve in Natal to the 214 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 7: Line Countries of Afari, and they arrived the day before. 215 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 7: And I was there when they opened the crates and 216 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 7: these animals came. 217 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: This was mid seventies. This was nineteen seventy two. 218 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, So back then this is a completely 219 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: absurd moment, I should think, for you see these big 220 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: mammals like personal life changing. 221 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 7: And so I'm talking to the guys that were uncrating 222 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 7: things thing they'd come on the boat with them to 223 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 7: get there, and I'm just passionate about wildlife and he's 224 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 7: going to need to come to visit South Africa. 225 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm sixteen, you know I love you. 226 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 7: But well, for a gift for graduate from high school, 227 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 7: my dad gave me the chance to go to Ian 228 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 7: Player's Wilderness Leadership School. 229 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: Wow. 230 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 7: Two and a half weeks walking in three different game 231 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 7: reserves with four other students, a game guard and a 232 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 7: game warden, learning about. 233 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: Man South Africa. 234 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 7: In South Africa, that's incredible with these guys with rhinos, 235 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 7: elephants and giraffes and leopards for two and a half 236 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 7: weeks where they were literally saving the white rhinos. So 237 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 7: the little game reserve on Filosia, it was a perfect size, 238 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 7: they could manage poachers, perfect habitat. The rhinos growed, they 239 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 7: had to make a decision either had to shoot them, 240 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 7: which they couldn't do, or they had to learn how 241 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 7: to dart them. 242 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: And just to be clear for our listeners, the reason 243 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: they would have to do this is because the population 244 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: was growing so well in that. 245 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Small spiry exactly right, right, So there's themselves out. 246 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 7: So this goes back to the one guy, Ian Player, 247 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 7: who is Gary Player's brother. If you're a golf for 248 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 7: his brother, Gary Player is one of the greatest golfers 249 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 7: of all time. Ian Player is a conservationist. He said, 250 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 7: we got to learn how to dart them. So they 251 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 7: developed a way to dart these animals, capture them and 252 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 7: relocate them back to their original breeding areas. And after 253 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 7: my two and a half weeks, I spent a month 254 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 7: doing that. 255 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm seventeen years old. 256 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 7: My dad let me fly by. Hey, I got kids, 257 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 7: and that was the kind of exposure I had as 258 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 7: a kid. And the quality of work that you were doing. 259 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 7: So our listeners are aware of only what's going on. 260 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 5: You're really trying to preserve that genetic diversity in many 261 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 5: different pockets. I mean, we're talking about that now with 262 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: giant panda conservation work that we're doing with our partners 263 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 5: out there, try. 264 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 4: To preserve those isolated populations. 265 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 5: We don't lose that genetic diversity that doctor Ryder was 266 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 5: talking about before, but is incredible and. 267 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: Also applying science. 268 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, so we don't read brothers and sisters, so to 269 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 7: manage a diversity, which means we had to understand the chromosomes, 270 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 7: the DNA of it, which came later. At the time, 271 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 7: it was just trying to save the animals, and then 272 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 7: we started applying science more and more, right, So that 273 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 7: was doctor Rider. 274 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: Had mentioned that too in his interview, that he and 275 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: your dad were really looking at the genetics and the 276 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: need to prevent these bottlenecks, the need to really get 277 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: as the diverse genetics as possible, and it's looking at 278 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: all the DNA and everything else. And again going back 279 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: to your dad saying, you got to apply the science. 280 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: You have to approach this with all. 281 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 7: That was brand new. They weren't even able to sequence 282 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 7: a geno. Now we take it for granted, right, chromosome 283 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 7: so as the early part. And then of course the 284 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 7: registries were created and so we send animals around to 285 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 7: manage diversity as much as we can. But all of 286 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 7: these rhinos came from that little gamers in Unphilosi, South Africa. 287 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 288 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 5: There's a part of that story I wanted to highlight too, 289 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 5: again for the kids that are listening as well. 290 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 4: Like you mentioned sports your girlfriend. Admittedly I'm not a 291 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: sports guy. 292 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 5: But I love the concept of you no matter what 293 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 5: your passions are in life, because for those who may 294 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 5: be not aware of some of your background in sports, 295 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: can you highlight a little of that and kind of 296 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 5: piece in like how do you involve conservation with wildlife 297 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 5: and what you're kind of known for a egle in 298 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 5: case people don't. 299 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 7: Know, well, I appreciate I am an old guy. I 300 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 7: don't know I am an old guy. I know none 301 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 7: of these kids know me. My son hardly remembers the 302 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 7: players that I played, but I ended up playing in 303 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 7: the NFL. I was with the Chargers for ten years. 304 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 7: I was a placekicker. 305 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have some records too, Yeah, don't play 306 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: it down too. 307 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 4: Always tell me some of these. 308 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to put you on the spot, 309 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: but I think it's worth noting that you weren't just 310 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: a player in the NFL. 311 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: You were well known and you had some records. 312 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 7: So I'm very fortunate I got to play with the 313 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 7: San Diego Chargers during the Airic Coriel, who was our coach, 314 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 7: do on Coreel and Dan Fouts as our quarterback. We 315 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 7: really redefined offensive football, so I had a lot of 316 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 7: opportunities to kick, and we had some success, but that 317 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 7: isn't the way. The point is if I love sports 318 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 7: when I was growing up and did those, but I 319 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 7: loved wildlife. So when I ended up in the NFL, 320 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 7: I had, unfortunately an agent who challenged me to do 321 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 7: something with my platform. 322 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: He challenged me, what's important to you? What do he 323 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: loved to do? Well? 324 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 7: I actually worked in the zoo in the research center 325 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 7: in the summers during college. So I said, well, the zoo, 326 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 7: this is my passion. So we created a program called 327 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 7: Kicks for Critters, Oh Kicks field Goal I made. I 328 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 7: donated money to the Zoo, and we got people in 329 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 7: the community to do the same. And during the course 330 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 7: of my ten years, you know, we raised over two 331 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 7: million dollars. 332 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: That went too crass money for that time back then. 333 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, I played seventy seven to eighty seven, so yeah, 334 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 7: back then it was kind of not but we didn't 335 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 7: make any money as players. 336 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 5: I love how conscious you were of the platform that 337 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 5: you had being in the NFL. 338 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: You know, It's something I know, Reck and I talk 339 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 4: about all the time. 340 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 5: I'm always aware of the platform we have now as 341 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 5: a spokesperson for this amazing organization, and connecting with people. 342 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: It's so true. 343 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 7: But Marco, part of it was, I think, if I'm 344 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 7: really honest, it was trying to get the approval of Dad. 345 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 7: Oh you know, I think we all know my dad 346 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 7: was really You understand my dad's background. He was sercientific, 347 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 7: he was bright, you know, for you have an older 348 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 7: brother became a really world class foot and ankle surgeon, 349 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 7: and his middle son, you know, is this kicker in 350 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 7: the NFL wasting his life when he doing worthwhile with 351 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 7: your life? 352 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: And ah, and so a lot of it was. 353 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 7: It's also how Dad and I connected, you know, from 354 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 7: the early days driving out work, birdwatching, coming out here. 355 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 7: And then I went through a really bad illness, was 356 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 7: very lucky to live and that changed our relationship. And 357 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 7: I'll get to your talking about, but my dad and 358 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 7: I had a extraordinary relationship. And so to be able 359 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 7: to be here to share his legacy and what the zoo, 360 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 7: the Frozen Zoo is going to do is doing already 361 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 7: is just humbling to me. 362 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Really is. 363 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: I want to get into that more in just a 364 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: little bit, but I want to also follow through with 365 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: kicks recritters. Oh and that became then you started going 366 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: out in the community when football was no longer a 367 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: thing and you started doing cancer crutters. 368 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 7: Right, So during my career we started kicks recrutters, and 369 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 7: then in the off seasons, I would often get invited 370 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 7: to speak, especially to schools. I love going to schools, 371 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 7: And so we would bring out one of the animals 372 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 7: at the time, we could bring out like a cheetah, 373 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 7: and we would go to these fourth fist six graders 374 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 7: and talk about endangered species and the plight of wildlife. 375 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 7: And we would say, we're going to bring you a 376 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 7: unit on endangered species to learn. And so they did that, 377 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 7: and then some of the teachers said, what can we do? 378 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 7: And right, so they created hands for critters. The kids 379 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 7: would collect aluminum cans, they learn about wildlife. Everybody loved 380 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 7: the pro except the mothers who had these sticky cans 381 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 7: in the backs of their cars. Ants and everything else. 382 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 7: And then the top collectors would come to the park 383 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 7: or the zoo and we do this big extravaganza where 384 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 7: they'd get close to animals, they'd. 385 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: Learn more, and it changed their lives, many of them. 386 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 7: Marco I was telling you earlier, there's a gal here 387 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 7: who works in the Raptor Center who was one of 388 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 7: those sixth grades and now she's working at the Safari 389 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 7: Hork of the Zoo doing stuff there. 390 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: I wish I would have known I was collecting cans 391 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 5: sum ego, but it was more for my hot chair. 392 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 5: But what a cool idea, the fact that you gave 393 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 5: the opportunity for children to feel one empowered and to 394 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 5: get part of something bigger. And it's something we're always saying, right, 395 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 5: what's the beauty of applying what you love and doing 396 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 5: something bigger than yourself, you know, for for kind of 397 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 5: a greater good. 398 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: Right. So that's an amazing program and it kept going on. 399 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still one of the largest fundraisers. It's taken 400 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: different names in different incarnations. 401 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 402 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: So I was actually intentional. I knew my career was 403 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 7: going to end, right. I played ten years. The average 404 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 7: careers three point one year. I played ten years. 405 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: Wow. 406 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 7: So we created a program called the Celebration for the Critters, right, 407 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 7: and it was a big party. Really a party was 408 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 7: underwritten by a guy named Terry Brown is big hotel, 409 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 7: You're big support of the Zoo in San Diego. And 410 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 7: we would have about thirty two to thirty five hundred 411 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 7: people come to this part and now at the time, 412 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 7: we were all single and it became sort of a 413 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 7: way to meet people. 414 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,239 Speaker 1: I was a different SSP program, but we knew. 415 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 7: That my career was going to end, but we knew 416 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 7: the plight of endangered species wouldn't and so we created 417 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 7: this event that continued on after my playing days and 418 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 7: it turned into the Food Wine. 419 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it still goes. 420 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: On to the property now at the San Diegozo's still 421 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: one of the largest fundraisers we have for the Frozen 422 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: Zoo and all the scientists that do all that work 423 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: and everything else. 424 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: So it's so cool. 425 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: I mean two things I want to mention for our audience, 426 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: especially you were doing football, but you had a passion 427 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: for wildlife, and often we from people like what can 428 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: I do? Just like the teachers were asking you, guys, 429 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: what can we do? Sometimes it's just about being creative. 430 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: You can still be a supporter and still actively participate 431 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 3: in wild liff conservation without and still having to be 432 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: a scientist like your dad was. 433 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's your story right there. 434 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: Really illustrates for us is thinking what are some creative 435 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: ways we can support it and do other things? Even 436 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: though I'm not a scientist like that. 437 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 7: So one of the things that I would recognize is 438 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 7: the world is changing, and it's changing very quickly. 439 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: So this massive world is now a small world. 440 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 7: We connect through social media and see what's going on 441 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 7: around the world in ways we couldn't do that before, 442 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 7: and so there's a lot of things people can do 443 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 7: learn understand what's going on. And if you think about 444 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 7: where the future of the Frozen Zoo's going to me, 445 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 7: this is what's exciting, you know. This is where my 446 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 7: dad would just shake his head and go, oh, my gosh, 447 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 7: I can't believe it. 448 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: Really yeah, no kidding. 449 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 7: When he started the Frozen Zoo, we would take biopsies, 450 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 7: we do the chromosomes, and then he would freeze the DNA, 451 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 7: not knowing where science would take it. And now we 452 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 7: can bring these Southern white rhinos or these preads of 453 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 7: horses from tissue from fiberglass, from skin that my dad 454 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 7: collected forty years ago, turn that skin into pluripotent stem 455 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 7: cells in vitro, fertilize and egg. Take that fertilized egg, 456 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 7: put it in a surrogate mother, and create a cloned 457 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 7: and save. 458 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: A speech that's wild. 459 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 5: Any I mean doctor Ryder was talking about that just 460 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 5: he was walking in front of the Stavalski's horses and 461 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 5: looking at Curt and Only who were products out of 462 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 5: that program, and just being so impacted and emotional for 463 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 5: the right reasons. 464 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 7: I think, you know, for all that connectivity of the 465 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 7: hard work. That so if you think about where this 466 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 7: is going in the future. Right now, we can't bring 467 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 7: tissue from around the world across borders. That means we 468 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 7: have to reproduce the Frozen Zoo in all these different 469 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 7: areas with diverse bile climbs, so we can save at 470 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 7: least genetically the tissue from those animals that may be 471 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 7: going extinct, and that means cooperation with countries around the 472 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 7: world that we currently do a lot of with the 473 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 7: Zoo and the hard Park here. 474 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: But well, as we're wrapping up, I would love to 475 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: asking you kind of touched on it a little bit. 476 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: You have a deep connection to the Frozen Zoo and 477 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: a history of the Safari Park, not only just through 478 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: your dad, but through your work and what you have done. 479 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: Knowing what the Frozen Zoo is capable of now and 480 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 3: even saying if Dad could see it, he would just 481 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: be shaking his head for you. What does the future 482 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: look like? What does it mean to you to know 483 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: that legacy of your family really is going to continue 484 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: on so far into the future for conservation. 485 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 7: Well, thanks Rick, I, first of all, it's humbling to 486 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 7: be here, and I appreciate what you guys do. You 487 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 7: do a great job. You can tell the story in 488 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 7: the right way. 489 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: You know. 490 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 7: Again, when Dad started the frozen zo he didn't really. 491 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 7: He actually has a quote he goes, sometimes we need 492 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 7: to do things ruituale don't understand, say things uturee don't understand. 493 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 7: So we started to collect this tissue. DNA science changed. 494 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 7: Now we understand more and more of what we can 495 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 7: do with it. Well, we don't understand everything yet, So 496 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 7: the next step is really to recreate that footprint in 497 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 7: different countries, activate those people that live there, the indigenous people, 498 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 7: train them about the power and the imports of endangered species, 499 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 7: so that when they're battling, do I kill the lion. 500 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: Because it's eating my cattle? 501 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 7: Where do I learn about conservation, save the lion, protect 502 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 7: my cattle, but become involved in conservation myself. So it's 503 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 7: not us doing it for them, it's teaching those young 504 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 7: kids the importance of that, and then creating jobs for 505 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 7: them to make conservation a way of life. And on 506 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 7: top of that, you can layer in the science part 507 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 7: and start to preserve this DNA in these areas where 508 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 7: those animals live, and that's the only place they live. 509 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 7: So I don't know where it's going to go, but 510 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 7: where it's already come. My dad, you know, couldn't have imagined. 511 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 7: And again it's because of the change inside totally. It 512 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 7: gets me excited too, you know, especially doctor Ryder had mentioned. 513 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 7: You know, it gives a lot of communities, equitable inclusive 514 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 7: opportunities for a lot of communities around the world. 515 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 4: So I'm super excited like you for that aspect of. 516 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: It, right right well, and clearly you touched on so 517 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: much just in your answer there, and like Marko was saying, 518 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: it's bringing other. 519 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: Communities and countries and places and getting them involved. 520 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 3: We can't always transfer that tissue cross borders, so it's 521 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: a matter of setting frozen us in other countries as well, 522 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: applying the science that your dad leaned into so heavily 523 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 3: and was so curious about at these other locations. And 524 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough, but we ought to wrap 525 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: it up here pretty soon. But is there anything else 526 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 3: we didn't touch on? You would love to mention to 527 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 3: our audience. 528 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: You know, we have a diverse audience. 529 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 7: I guess to the kids, you know, it would be 530 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 7: to follow your passion even when it's maybe outside the 531 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 7: box and kids make fun of you. And to this day, 532 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 7: if I'm playing golf, I'm telling the guy, look. 533 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: At that, there's a you know, a red stold. 534 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 4: Oh my god, look at that. 535 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: There's a and they tease me about it. But I 536 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: love it. 537 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 7: I love it. It was a passion of mine. So 538 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 7: whatever your passion is, follow it. Hopefully one day it 539 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 7: can turn into a career. But if not, don't lose 540 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 7: the passion. My dad said something on ever hat. He said, 541 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 7: whatever you learn in life, you'll use again sometime later 542 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 7: in life. So be curious, keep learning. It's what you 543 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 7: guys do. You get to share that with audience. And 544 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 7: that was the lasson I took from my dad. 545 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: Oh that's great for that exactly and being a bird guy, Rick, 546 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 5: you know, I mean, that's that's a bonus. 547 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: Give me some that's pretty good. 548 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: I want to I gotta plug the book. 549 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: So about two years ago, saving wildlife, AND's so many 550 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: stories of you and your dad and your dad's work 551 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: and everything else. We could literally do like seven episodes 552 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 3: with you, probably not cover. 553 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: All the stories in here. 554 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: Read the boat. 555 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, if anyone's interested saving wildlife at Rolfernerska, it's 556 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: a series of great stories about how it all came about. 557 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. You're really really appreciate. Thank you, Eric. 558 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: That was so what's fun? 559 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Right? 560 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 5: We learned so much Again, I didn't know it was 561 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 5: a bird. Guy's a big bonus. Great for that I 562 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 5: figured it out, and I'm sure he'd really appreciate it. 563 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 5: And they got some pretty interesting things for the next episode. 564 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: Right, well, exactly, speaking of birds, Marco, I'll let you say. 565 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 5: Well, we may be having a flamboyance of flamingo is 566 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 5: happening for the next episode. 567 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 4: You know, I'm excited about that. 568 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 5: I know Mandy is behind the scenes that we're gonna 569 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 5: be talking flamingo. 570 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: So the next next one, all right, So it's is 571 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: the outro. 572 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 3: Be sure to subscribe and tune in and join us 573 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: next time when we learn about flamingos, why it's called 574 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: the flamboyants and are their knees, back words, and what. 575 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: Makes them pink? 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