WEBVTT - I Like To Know When I Am Doomed

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Armstrong and Getty

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<v Speaker 1>and he Armstrong and Getty. Man. What is better than

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<v Speaker 1>coffee when you're needing it? Asipa coffee?

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<v Speaker 2>Very few things that don't include friction of naked bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's right up there. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you gotta see the visual for this. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a This is a troll. He's a troll. He's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to cause problems.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a guy addressed in a kind of cartoonish

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<v Speaker 2>like Indian gear gear. He's got a headdress on, he's

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<v Speaker 2>got some colored stripes on his cheeks, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And these they're in Minnesota fronting some of the people

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<v Speaker 2>protesting ice.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what he says.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm transcendigenous, are you? Are you cis American? I'm transcendigenous

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<v Speaker 3>for ice?

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<v Speaker 1>Ice. We love ice, we love ice. To poort them all.

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<v Speaker 3>You're all trespassers on our land. Well, transcendigenous people are

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<v Speaker 3>indigenous people, and you're all trespassers on our land. And

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<v Speaker 3>we want Bobino to deport all of you guys, we

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<v Speaker 3>love ice. Trans Natives love ice. We love you ice.

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<v Speaker 3>We love ice. The TransNation. TransNation is just as valid

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<v Speaker 3>as CIS nations. You're not transnative phobic, are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just checking. You're a SIS American, I'm transcendigenous. You

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<v Speaker 3>really need to check your privilege because you're talking to

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful transcendigenous person of.

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<v Speaker 1>Colorized I believe. I'm hoping to learn more.

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<v Speaker 3>About your personal I'll educate you because your CIS pigment.

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<v Speaker 1>So the best about that to me was that the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that the troll was talking to didn't have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the courage to like say I get out of here,

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<v Speaker 1>you idiot or whatever. That he had to take. He

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<v Speaker 1>had to take it seriously because he didn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't exactly sure what was going on here. But

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those terms he's very sensitive to. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you working me around but you're using my terminologies? So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do. Are you hostile to

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<v Speaker 1>cist trans indigenous people? Well? No, but I just wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what you believe because he's you know, he's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be very careful. He knows these are hot, hot terms. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy was in New York. Wasn't he during some

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<v Speaker 1>of the pro hamas uh protests. I love that bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a good bit. We're living in weird times.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you notice it.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is an interesting one on uh uh connecting

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<v Speaker 2>Iran in Greenland.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if you know who David from is.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a speech writer I think for George W. Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's one of those people that have realized and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't like Trump. That's fine, that's perfectly legit that

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't like Trump. And he's a Republican who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go never Trump. But then he, like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, cross over into Wait a second, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to all of these issues that you cared about as

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative? Now you go on MSNBC or whatever channel

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<v Speaker 1>in bash.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything conservatives do, and you're making lots of money, And

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Drives me nuts. Anyway, David fromm had tweeted out Trump

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<v Speaker 1>lets Iranian freedom marchers die while preparing to kill Danish

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<v Speaker 1>NATO comrades. Now that was attached to a tweet. I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard this, and I guess it's true. It's from

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<v Speaker 1>open Source Open source I INT, which is intelligence, which

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<v Speaker 1>is usually accurate. That said, Denmark is deploying an advanced

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<v Speaker 1>command to Greenland, insisting of military material support and forward personnel,

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of a large force from the army that is

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<v Speaker 1>expected to arrive soon on the territory, in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft from the Royal Danish Air Force? Is that true? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Are the days suspect it is? You think the Danes

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<v Speaker 1>are preparing for military action against the United States? That

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<v Speaker 1>would be looney tunes. I don't know why they would

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<v Speaker 1>tweak Trump that way unless it was a statement of

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<v Speaker 1>what he's said his way over the line. It's improper.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if you're going to come for us,

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<v Speaker 1>come for us. We're not putting up with that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of talk from an ally, which I don't blame them.

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<v Speaker 1>Is you know I've been rather critical of Trump's rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>on Greenland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think he should talk as if it's

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<v Speaker 2>even on the table to possibly even take it militarily.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm surprised Denmark's were playing. But anyway, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>really where I'm going here.

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<v Speaker 1>So David from attaches his tweet to that Trump lets

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian Freedom Fighter marchers die while preparing to kill da

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<v Speaker 1>NATO comrades typical online sort of behavior. And Ian Bremer,

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<v Speaker 1>who I don't agree with semi regularly on his politics,

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<v Speaker 1>really is a force for calming things down online always,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to me. He and he responded to David

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<v Speaker 1>From these are both very high profile people, Ian Bremer

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<v Speaker 1>and David From. Ian Bremer responded with Trump not in

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<v Speaker 1>fact preparing to kill Danish NATO comrades. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to point out. Yeah, no kidding, Ah, don't

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<v Speaker 1>in the facts get in the way of a good tweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of responses like it's incredibly naive and over the

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<v Speaker 2>smug of you to at this point take the administration

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<v Speaker 2>at their word blah blah blah blah, and Ian saying

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<v Speaker 2>my view is, I think it's essential to be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with people in Knight, not hyperbolic focus on serious threats,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's danger in his mind Ian's mind to the

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<v Speaker 2>independence of the FAD or suspending defense intel support to

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine and pushing back on headlines where there isn't any

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<v Speaker 2>serious threat, especially because the latter diminishes credibility of those

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<v Speaker 2>offering criticism. Love that sort of talk for me and

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<v Speaker 2>Bremmer trying to talk to people. Don't go around saying

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's planing to kill Danes when he's not.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't help anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But the question is, and the question of our time

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<v Speaker 2>really is who's gonna win the day? People like Ian

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<v Speaker 2>and I think us who are trying to calm things

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<v Speaker 2>down and sometimes say, look, I agree with this person,

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<v Speaker 2>he's on my side, but that's not true what they

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<v Speaker 2>just said. Are we gonna win the day or the

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<v Speaker 2>David Frums or the bomb checkers or the exaggerate and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, preach to the choir crowd and get them

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<v Speaker 2>all routled up?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that gonna win the day? And I actually don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think it's a coin flip. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I think both things will coexist and wash

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth and fight for supremacy for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's gonna be good enough. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think our side needs to clearly win the

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<v Speaker 2>day or we're doomed.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a then we're doomed. I like to know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm doomed and renewed, because then you don't bother

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<v Speaker 1>trying anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So your p doom is one hundred percent and very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting question. It's one hundred percent, but maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah. I think the animal instincts of human beings

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<v Speaker 1>are difficult to contain when they become a mob, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet has allowed for the instantaneous forming of mobs. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's something.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and I have talked about this a little on

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<v Speaker 2>the air and a lot off the air, about whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not we could be much much more wealthy if

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<v Speaker 2>we would just play the game that you know, Megan

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly seems to be playing, and lots of people are playing.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we could try it on just to so

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<v Speaker 1>what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you lose all credibility and we'd lose

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<v Speaker 2>lots of listeners and that sort of stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to try it on just to like tell

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<v Speaker 2>a certain chunk of the crowding exactly what they want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear our sides always right, the other side's always.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrong, And just play that for a while and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bet it feels pretty good. You know, do more live

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<v Speaker 1>appearances where you get in front of a crowd and

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<v Speaker 1>you say exactly what they want and they're cheering. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, our discussions are mostly just a mental

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<v Speaker 1>exercise because neither one of us has the inclination to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. But my god, it's much easier, much easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I gotta believe it is. Oh of

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<v Speaker 1>course it is, sure, yeah, yeah, eliminating you know, ambivalence

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<v Speaker 1>or there's some truth to that, but maybe it's gone

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<v Speaker 1>too far blah blah blah, and just my side's always right,

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<v Speaker 1>the other side's always wrong. So and so's a hero,

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<v Speaker 1>so and so's a fiend. Never any nuance or gray area. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be effortlessly well, not only would it be, just

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<v Speaker 1>be easier rhetorically, and that's what I'm all about, ease.

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<v Speaker 1>But go on, the people cheering you oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that have to be pretty fun. Yeah. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>feel that we're cheered in our own way. But now

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, disagree with anything you've said we did. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't mention the name because she was really nice, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was a bomb chucker fox presence that we did

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<v Speaker 1>an event with one time, and she did that act

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<v Speaker 1>and just watching the adoration of the crowd as she

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<v Speaker 1>said the most like simplistic basic exactly what they want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear sort of stuff. And it was some to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it was eh And it's tempting in

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<v Speaker 1>a weird way. But again, anyway, I just wonder who's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna win the day? Dan From, David From, a smart

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's a speech writer for a president, going around

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<v Speaker 1>to say and Trump's planning to kill Danish soldiers. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's not, you know, he's not, And what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>David From is a DC climber, like all DC climbers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a bright guy, but he's a phony. Ah, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of phony and phony arguments. What our plan is? This?

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna take a break, come back next segment. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>play some of the key clips from the oral arguments

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<v Speaker 1>before the Supreme Court yesterday about the gender benning madness

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<v Speaker 1>in sport, specifically dudes who want to compete against girls

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<v Speaker 1>because they say I'm a girl now, as ridiculous as

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<v Speaker 1>that is. And then the next segment, we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Anastasia Boden, senior attorney at the Pacific Legal Foundation, about

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<v Speaker 1>her take on the oral arguments and also a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other big time cases that the Scotus has taken a

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<v Speaker 1>look at, so all of that to come stay with us.

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<v Speaker 4>It's only banning transgenate athletes from playing on the girls team, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So it isn't a ban in totality on playing sports.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a ban on playing sports on a team with

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<v Speaker 4>people who don't have the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex characteristics that you do. Yeah, he corrected himself to

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<v Speaker 1>not get mixed up in the whole radical gender theory thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a question of sex. Supreme Court hearing arguments yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>about a pair of cases that had to do with

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<v Speaker 1>boys who claimed to be girls playing in girls sports

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole transgender thing. We're one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The One of the boys who says they're now a

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<v Speaker 2>woman is named Heacock's, which is absolutely amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Childish and irrelevant. That's true. It's true, that it is true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes on a Stasia Boden of the Pacific Legal Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>will be joining us next segment. But we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>play a handful of clips. Maybe you heard these early

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<v Speaker 1>in the show, if you've been listening the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>If you have, God bless you, thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>But these are so interesting. Number one, we'll start with

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five. This is Kaitanji Brown Jackson. She utters certain

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<v Speaker 1>words that have not been heard in the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>before and I hope never will be again.

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<v Speaker 5>You have the overarching classification, you know, everybody has to

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<v Speaker 5>be play on the team that is the same as

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<v Speaker 5>their sex at birth. But then you have a gender

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<v Speaker 5>identity definition that is operating within that meaning a distinction,

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<v Speaker 5>meaning that for cis ginger girls they can play with

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<v Speaker 5>their gender identity, for transgender girls they can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that okay.

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<v Speaker 6>As to the part about your ability to pass over

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<v Speaker 6>from boy to girl, yes you can go from one way,

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<v Speaker 6>but not the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be clear that PPJ is okay challenging

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't need to hear that because it gets

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<v Speaker 1>in illegal age. But you could tell she said cisgender

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<v Speaker 1>girls don't get to play in the sport of their choice,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be guys like the guys like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, that's not even a thing. We're talking about sex.

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<v Speaker 1>He won't even and he shouldn't concede the use of

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<v Speaker 1>the term cis gender and transgender because they're part of

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<v Speaker 1>radical gender theory and they have nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the question of boys playing in girls' sports. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>about sex period. Don't get confused tech by their terminology.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they use all that complex terminology is to

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<v Speaker 1>confuse people. Don't get caught up in it. Samuel Alito,

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<v Speaker 1>who I hope lives for a very long time, got

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<v Speaker 1>into it with the pro boys playing girls sports side

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<v Speaker 1>and it went like this. It's im will to pick.

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<v Speaker 7>Up on the issue of discrimination on the basis of

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<v Speaker 7>transgender status. Let me just go back to let me

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<v Speaker 7>go to some basics. Do you agree that a school

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<v Speaker 7>may have separate teams for a category of students classified

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<v Speaker 7>as boys in a category of students classified as.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls, Yes, your honor.

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<v Speaker 7>If it does that, then is it not necessary for

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<v Speaker 7>there to be for equal protection purposes? If that is

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<v Speaker 7>challenged under the equal protection clause, an understanding of what

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<v Speaker 7>it means to be a boy or a girl or

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<v Speaker 7>a man oral woman?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 7>And what is that definition for equal protection purposes? What

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<v Speaker 7>does what does it mean to be a boy or

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<v Speaker 7>a girl or a man oral woman?

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<v Speaker 8>Sorryvisenters to your question. I think that the underlying enactment,

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<v Speaker 8>whatever it was, the policy, the law, the would have

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<v Speaker 8>to we'd have to have an understanding of how the

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<v Speaker 8>state or the government was just understanding that term to

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<v Speaker 8>figure out whether or not someone was excluded. We do

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<v Speaker 8>not have a definition for the court, and we don't

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<v Speaker 8>take issue with the We're not disputing the definition here.

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<v Speaker 8>What we're saying is that the way it applies in

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<v Speaker 8>practice is to exclude birth sex males categorically from women's teams,

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<v Speaker 8>and that there's a subset of those birth sex males

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<v Speaker 8>where it doesn't make sense to do so according to

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<v Speaker 8>the state's own interest.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, how can a court determine whether there's discrimination on

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<v Speaker 7>the basis of sex without knowing what sex memes for

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<v Speaker 7>equal protection purposes?

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<v Speaker 8>I think here we just knowed. We basically know that

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<v Speaker 8>the that they've identified, pursuing to their own statue, Lindsay

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<v Speaker 8>qualifies as a birth sex male, and she's being excluded

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<v Speaker 8>categorically from the women's teams.

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<v Speaker 1>As the statute.

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<v Speaker 8>So we're taking the statues's definitions as we find them,

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<v Speaker 8>and we don't dispute them. We're just trying to figure

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<v Speaker 8>out do they create an equal protection problem?

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<v Speaker 1>Okayma Haamanahamana, one of the smartest people in America, faced

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<v Speaker 1>with look, what's a man or what's a woman? Because

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to define that.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I thought that was a boo yah boo.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's that's that's a pretty good way to

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<v Speaker 2>boil it down. Do you think there should be boys

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<v Speaker 2>games and girls teams?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Okay, well then we got to define what a

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<v Speaker 1>boy and a girl is, right, Okay? And finally this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the attorneys who was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Kagan, who is very very very bright, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how what you're saying is you can exclude boys from girls'

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<v Speaker 1>sports unless they're essentially so girlish they ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to play. But where does that end? It sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm having trouble coming up with what it could look

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<v Speaker 6>like because it will always be possible to carve the

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<v Speaker 6>class down further, right. I mean, so if they say

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<v Speaker 6>that their class, that they're their subclass I guess subclass

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<v Speaker 6>of males is males who identify as transgender, then we

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<v Speaker 6>would come back and say, well, only something like ten

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<v Speaker 6>percent of males who identify as transgender take the hystosteran suppression.

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<v Speaker 6>And then they might say, well, okay, no, the class

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<v Speaker 6>is just the males who take the distosteran suppression, and

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<v Speaker 6>then we might come back and say, well, according to

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<v Speaker 6>the record, according to their own expert, of males who

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<v Speaker 6>take testosterone suppression, only one quarter of them are able

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<v Speaker 6>to achieve the appropriate like to able achieve ordinary levels

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<v Speaker 6>of testosterone for women, and the other three quarters would

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<v Speaker 6>still have an advantage, and therefore we'd be justified. Seventy

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<v Speaker 6>five percent pretty good fit and intermediate scrutiny, and we'd

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<v Speaker 6>be justified with the law. But then they can just

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<v Speaker 6>change the class again. They can say, aha, no, our

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<v Speaker 6>class is males who identify as transgender, who suppress their

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<v Speaker 6>testosterone and who suppessed their testosterone successfully and are able

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<v Speaker 6>to get it down to where they don't have a

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<v Speaker 6>competitive advantage. And at that point we can say, if

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<v Speaker 6>you can define the class so precisely, you're going to

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<v Speaker 6>force the state to define the class that precisely. It's

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<v Speaker 6>going to be enormously burdensome for everyone. And the state

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<v Speaker 6>can never win because whenever the state points to the

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<v Speaker 6>fit in the statute, do they just redefine their class

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<v Speaker 6>as only the people who are outside the fit.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Yeah, that's a powerful argument. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>followed at least to some extent, and we'll follow up

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<v Speaker 1>again with the fabulous on a stage voting from the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Legal Foundation in just moments.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they'd release their ruling, especially if it's if

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<v Speaker 2>they're all like this one's obvious soon because you got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole spring full of high school sports that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen around the country. Nah, you got to write

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<v Speaker 1>them out with all the fancy words and the citations.

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<v Speaker 1>Who has the time, Armstrong and getty.

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<v Speaker 9>This notion that this is really just about the definition of.

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<v Speaker 5>We accept that you can accept separate.

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<v Speaker 9>Boys and girls, and we are now looking at the

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<v Speaker 9>definition of a girl and we're saying only people who

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<v Speaker 9>were girl assigned at birth qualify.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people signed their sex at birth. It's observed anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about the lingo with the progressive activists and

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<v Speaker 1>radical gender theory. They were before the Supreme Court yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of courses involved, I'm sorry, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>cases involving boys playing in girls' sports, and Anastasia Bodeny,

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<v Speaker 1>Senior Attorney for Equality and Opportunity. The Pacific Legal Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>was like us, listening and watching with great interest and

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<v Speaker 1>has thoughts on what happened Onnastasia welcome. How are you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. So with the

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate and inevitable caveats that it's difficult to read the

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<v Speaker 1>tea leaves blah blah blah from the oral arguments, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of the whole thing?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you know, less difficult to read here than the

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<v Speaker 10>usual case, especially given that even the Washington Post yesterday,

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<v Speaker 10>the headline before oral arguments was that neither public opinion

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<v Speaker 10>nor scientific scientific consensus support the people challenging these laws

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<v Speaker 10>that limit sports to biological sex. So, you know, I

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<v Speaker 10>think public opinion has really turned, and I think that

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<v Speaker 10>will no doubt have an influence on the court. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>the argument was really interesting, really spicy, and just give

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<v Speaker 10>you some background. You know, given this recent phenomenon of

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<v Speaker 10>trans women competing in female sports, twenty seven states have

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<v Speaker 10>passed laws now limiting sports to biological sex. That's the majority. Again,

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<v Speaker 10>you can really see how the tide has turned. But

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<v Speaker 10>of course, Idaho and West Virginia were among the first,

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<v Speaker 10>and so this involved a challenge to their laws by

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<v Speaker 10>trans people in sports who want to compete in women's sports.

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<v Speaker 10>So you have the athletes on one side, the states

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<v Speaker 10>on the other, and then we actually had some interveners

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<v Speaker 10>who were female athletes who who feel that this is

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<v Speaker 10>unconstitutional and violates their rights. Their briefs were really particularly

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<v Speaker 10>interesting because it puts it in human terms, and they

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<v Speaker 10>talk about how they ran on the women's track and

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<v Speaker 10>cost country teams at their university and they lost by

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<v Speaker 10>a significant margin to a male athlete who identified as

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<v Speaker 10>a female and who had competed the previous year on

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<v Speaker 10>the men's team and recorded times that would have broken

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<v Speaker 10>national women's records.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see why.

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<v Speaker 10>They might aggrieved, and it led to this lawsuit, and

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<v Speaker 10>yesterday was oral argument.

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<v Speaker 2>So one thing I'll completely understand if the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>decide that, yes, these states can have laws banning trans

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<v Speaker 2>boys from.

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<v Speaker 1>I always get that, as you know, I'm a conscientious

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<v Speaker 1>objector at even using those terms because it seeds the

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<v Speaker 1>linguistic ground to the radical left. But go on, Jack, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, if the Supreme Court says, yeah, these states

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<v Speaker 1>can do that, does that have any effect on like

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<v Speaker 1>California where they haven't banned anything. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>So that was a big part of the discussion was

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<v Speaker 10>what are the consequences of this case? Does it mean

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<v Speaker 10>that states must separate by biological sex or does it

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<v Speaker 10>merely mean that laws that choose to separate by biological

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<v Speaker 10>sex are constitutional and do not violate our civil rights laws.

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<v Speaker 10>And neither side really wanted to get into that. They

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<v Speaker 10>just wanted to fight over these terms because the consequences

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<v Speaker 10>could be really far reaching on the other side, because

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<v Speaker 10>you know, in the first lawsuit, the first law there's

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<v Speaker 10>two lawsuits, one against West Virginia and one against Idaho.

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<v Speaker 10>And in the first lawsuit, so the challenger is actually

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<v Speaker 10>an athlete who had taken some strides to eliminate their

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<v Speaker 10>so called physical biological advantage by taking uh, suppressing their

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<v Speaker 10>tosostgrone for one year. And so they said, hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 10>you can separate men and women by sex, but not me,

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<v Speaker 10>because I have eliminated my physical advantage. But as the

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<v Speaker 10>justices pointed out, the question then becomes, Okay, well, do

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<v Speaker 10>we have to let in all men now who don't

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<v Speaker 10>have a physical advantage for whatever reason, Men who are

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<v Speaker 10>shorter who happen to have less cisostrone. You know that there's.

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<v Speaker 1>People who aren't like myself what I.

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<v Speaker 10>Count exactly right. But on the other hand, I'm accepting

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<v Speaker 10>that your hypothetical to be true, then yes, exactly right, Well,

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<v Speaker 10>we have to let you into But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, the other side wants to argue that you

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<v Speaker 10>have to have strict lines based on differences, and then

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<v Speaker 10>the justice says the justices said, well, does that mean

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<v Speaker 10>that universities can create different programs for chess because we

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<v Speaker 10>know that men perform better at chess the science is there.

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<v Speaker 10>Does that mean now that they can discriminate against women

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<v Speaker 10>in chess because you're saying that that universities have to

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<v Speaker 10>draw this bright line or what about we know that

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<v Speaker 10>in some areas, and of course it depends on subject

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<v Speaker 10>and whatnot, but in some areas women perform better academically.

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<v Speaker 10>Does that now mean that schools can create a remedial

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<v Speaker 10>program for men and exclude women. So there was a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of line drawing problems on either side, and both

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<v Speaker 10>parties just wanted to skirt that and say, hey, take

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<v Speaker 10>let's just talk about this case and how far this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know men were generally better that chess than women.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't know that I'm terrible at chess for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>So Anastasia, it's where you have. It seemed pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have a self evident class male and female that has

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<v Speaker 1>never in the history of humankind been disputed. And the

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<v Speaker 1>argument that, well, there's some men that are so girlish

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<v Speaker 1>that let's not even count them as men. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>utterly unworkable on a societal level. As we played one

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<v Speaker 1>of the clips in the last segment, and I suspect

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<v Speaker 1>you're right that the Supreme Court is going to go

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<v Speaker 1>the way it seems clear that they will. But am

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<v Speaker 1>I also correct that they didn't really get into Title

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<v Speaker 1>nine per se, because if you recognize that there are

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<v Speaker 1>men and there are women, but some men are not

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<v Speaker 1>very manly, so we got to let them in with

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<v Speaker 1>the way, you've got to tear up Title nine and

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<v Speaker 1>end it because it has no meaning anymore. It gets

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<v Speaker 1>into an incredibly cumbersome how manly is he? Individual test?

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<v Speaker 1>In every aspect of American life that's affected by Title nine.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think that's exactly right. And what's interesting is

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<v Speaker 10>a few years ago, under Title six, which governs discrimination

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<v Speaker 10>in the workplace, there was a Supreme Court case asking whether,

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<v Speaker 10>which again for bids discrimination basis of sets in the

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<v Speaker 10>workplace necessarily also bads discrimination on the basis of transgender

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<v Speaker 10>status and just Discorsich in that case wrote the opinion saying,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, discrimination based on sex is necessarily discrimination based

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<v Speaker 10>on trans gender status. And so now the plaintiffs are

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<v Speaker 10>seizing on that in this case and saying, see, the

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<v Speaker 10>same thing is true in Title mine. But Title nine

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<v Speaker 10>really brings out the absurdity of that argument, because you know,

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<v Speaker 10>if you talk about workplace discrimination, it's easy to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 10>we shouldn't have you know, I think the equities are like, okay,

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<v Speaker 10>let's not discriminate. We don't want to have discrimination against

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<v Speaker 10>transgender people. But in Title nine, you are now pitting

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<v Speaker 10>women against the transgender people because saying that we can't

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<v Speaker 10>discriminate against transgender people now necessarily infringes the right of

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<v Speaker 10>women to compete fairly, which was the entire purpose of

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<v Speaker 10>Title nine. So it's true Title nine is bringing out

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<v Speaker 10>a lot of these absurdities that have sort of been

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<v Speaker 10>swept under the rug in previous cases and showing how

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<v Speaker 10>the whole thing really is not workable.

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<v Speaker 1>In the same way, if.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes down to a how manly is the man?

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<v Speaker 2>Can he participate in women's sports and men's sports. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you got a guy who drives a truck, but like

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<v Speaker 2>salsa dancing. You know, it's a tweeter.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to try to figure out case by case.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredibly cumbersome.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard some legal experts say this could be like

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<v Speaker 2>very narrow. It's just it upholds these states that said

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do this and doesn't go rund any further

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<v Speaker 2>than that. Another I've heard other legal experts say this

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<v Speaker 2>could like have an effect on you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>gender neutral bathroom thing and all kinds of far reaching

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the trans discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you land on that?

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<v Speaker 10>You know, the Court likes to take incremental steps. Everybody

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<v Speaker 10>thinks that the Court is some imperial court just imposing

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<v Speaker 10>their opinions and taking over the world, when in reality,

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<v Speaker 10>if you look at it, the Court is doing less

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<v Speaker 10>work than ever. They're taking fewer cases than that two

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<v Speaker 10>they yeah, but I would like the Court to do more.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, that's their job. They're the last bastion for

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<v Speaker 10>our liberties when the legislature fails to protect our rights,

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<v Speaker 10>and so there, I think it'll be narrow. And what's

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<v Speaker 10>even more interesting is one of the plaintiffs in the case,

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<v Speaker 10>the plaintiffs who took steps to mitigate their physical advantage

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<v Speaker 10>due to sex actually ask the court to dismiss their case.

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<v Speaker 10>That person said, I don't plan on doing sports anymore

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<v Speaker 10>in college. Just dismiss this case. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 10>deal with it. And the court so far has said, no,

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<v Speaker 10>we're going to hear it anyway. We already granted cert.

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<v Speaker 10>You can't change your mind now that we granted cert

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<v Speaker 10>and try to get the case dismissed. But that's a

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<v Speaker 10>pretty interesting thing. That's very unusual. Typically, if plaintiffs went

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<v Speaker 10>out of a case, the court is more than happy

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<v Speaker 10>to get it off their docket and not have to

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<v Speaker 10>deal with these hot button topics. And I kind of wonder, now,

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<v Speaker 10>after or argument, which was, you know, pretty difficult to

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<v Speaker 10>sort through, if the court will in fact dismiss that

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<v Speaker 10>case because the plaintiff doesn't want it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I need to at least bully tip my cap

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<v Speaker 1>again to the notion that I can't believe we're having

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<v Speaker 1>to answer and or ask an answer these questions about

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<v Speaker 1>the most intrinsic and obvious facets to human life. But

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<v Speaker 1>helped me out because I'm not a constitutional attorney. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a very brief description of what forms a class

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<v Speaker 1>of people, like a protected class. Does that ring a bell?

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<v Speaker 11>Yes?

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<v Speaker 10>Typically, yeah, our civil rights laws and equal protection law

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<v Speaker 10>protects classes with traits.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, can you repeat that, you glitch out? Oh?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, Typically our civil rights laws protect you know, type

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<v Speaker 10>classes of people with immutable characteristics.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, exactly, So like cool and uncool could not

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<v Speaker 1>be a protected class or fun and a real drag.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for instance, and exactly we played earlier a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who goes to generally left wing protests and he

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<v Speaker 1>claims to be trans indigenous. He is, he is a

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<v Speaker 1>white guy, but he's now he identifies as an indigenous person.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's to me it's as absurd to claim you

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<v Speaker 1>are a woman as a man because you've decided to

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<v Speaker 1>be a woman. I mean, otherwise you could like have

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<v Speaker 1>exceptions to civil rights law for a black guy who

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<v Speaker 1>like to cite some terrible cliches, doesn't like to dance

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 1>and quote unquote sounds like a white man and is

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<v Speaker 1>republican and the rest of it, because psychically, psychologically his

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>self conception is very much white. I mean, that's that

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<v Speaker 1>is considered repugnant and silly. But to say, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>totally a girl now, So I mean, and I grant

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<v Speaker 1>that there could be neurological situations, but didn't he get

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that the Justice Alito especially was asking what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell are we talking about here? Oh?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And you know, I love Justice Alito argument. He's

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<v Speaker 10>a fan past the lawyer, and he acts like a

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<v Speaker 10>lawyer on the bench. And you know, one of the

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 10>things you said in argument yesterday was, well, how about

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 10>those women who don't want to compete against trans athletes?

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<v Speaker 10>Are you calling them bigots? You know, you just flat

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<v Speaker 10>out asked that question. And so he was bringing out

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 10>some of this absurdity. But another person who has brought

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 10>out that absurdity is Justice Barrett. Because of course, the

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 10>planiffs here are trying to say, hey, we are a

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<v Speaker 10>protected class and we have historically been subject to discrimination,

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<v Speaker 10>and so we get heightened protection under civil rights laws.

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<v Speaker 10>They say discrimination based on trensender status is special and

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<v Speaker 10>gets heightened protection compared to anybody else who might sue.

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<v Speaker 10>And so far the Court hasn't answered that question. But

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 10>last term Justice Barrett wrote a separate, a concurring opinion

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<v Speaker 10>that's not binding on the court, but just articulating her

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<v Speaker 10>views where she said that can't possibly be true because

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<v Speaker 10>being TRAMS is not an immutable characteristic. It can mean

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<v Speaker 10>many things. It's a huge class of people that's constantly

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<v Speaker 10>changing on a whole bunch of decisions and different traits,

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<v Speaker 10>and you know, it spans all these different ideas of

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<v Speaker 10>self identification. And also, you have not been subject as

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 10>a class to whatever that class means, to the same

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 10>type of state sponsored discrimination as say, minority races or

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<v Speaker 10>minority religions. And so she already went out in a

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 10>separate opinion last year. She stepped out and said that, like, hey,

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 10>this is not a class that gets special protection. So far,

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 10>the court hasn't answered that question, and we might get

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<v Speaker 10>it in this case. And I suspect they will take

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 10>your view of things, which is, we can't even hardly

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 10>identify this class, let alone say that it's entitled to

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 10>some sort of special protection.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, last quick question, because we're out of time and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to be a shock jock here. Did

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<v Speaker 2>the terms penis or vagina ever come up at any point?

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<v Speaker 10>No, I did hear pelvis?

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of interesting when that hell, yeah, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sex identicy fight at birth or identified. No, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>signed which is hilarious and again prejudicial verbally speaking, Anastasia

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>has written a really super interesting column, the most Unorthodox

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Descent You've never read about the presidential war Powers. I'm

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>afraid we're out of time, but we'll have a link

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>at Armstrong and Giddy dot com. It's definitely worth a think, Anastasia.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we had more time, but we'll talk again soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done, Thanks thanks for having me by bye s.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe those terms had come up with someone Clarence Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this a person have a penis or a vagina?

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>You know that's sort Did they ever have a penis? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, getting down to the nuts and bolts

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<v Speaker 1>of it if you will. Oh, they didn't know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we will finish strong next. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>Trump is still talking about taking over at Greenland, and

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 11>he said that if we invaded, their only defense would

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 11>be two dog sleds. Christie Noman was like, I can

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<v Speaker 11>take care of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmm, give me one more joke, Michael, take another shot

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>at a joke At the back.

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<v Speaker 11>Chuckie Cheese said that he wants to make a film

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<v Speaker 11>about the franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be a horror movie.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 11>When someone brings a black light into a Chuckie.

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Cheese, which, you know, similar to that movie about Ray

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>crock and McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be very interesting.

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I like that sort of biopick about somebody starting an

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly successful business.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a new highest grossing actor of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Up until like yesterday when the new news came out,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 2>it was Scarlett Johanson. I didn't realize that she's the

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>highest grossing actor of all time. Now, I gotta believe

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 2>this stuff is not adjusted for inflation. Almost certainly isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise I think it'd be Schwarzenegger probably.

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<v Speaker 1>And unless it's a one man show, one woman show,

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>how do you make shirt? Anyway? Because Scargo's in the

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the silly superhero movies, right, yeah, but I think you're

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>all ensemble movies, right Storkmaker or.

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Burt Reynolds or I don't know, lots of people if

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 2>you adjusted for inflation, that were really really big deals

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>back in the day. But anyway, it's now Zoe Saldana,

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 2>who I wouldn't be able to pick out of a

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>lineup actually, but she's forty seven years old and she

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>was in those Avatar movies and all three of them

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>have been giant the like top three grossing movies of

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<v Speaker 2>all time, again not adjusted for inflation, because they never do.

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<v Speaker 1>For these things and have h and has you know

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>learned commentators have mentioned nobody ever references them. Never, Nobody

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>ever like draws a metaphor or sites a key line

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>or they have.

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<v Speaker 2>This reminds me of what never. Yeah, as art, they

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>have no mind share. It's interesting.

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>And there's Jodren this show with the couple Katie Green

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and Michael langel Lloyd. There friends, They're like that, why

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>are you lurking in the store? The final thought?

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<v Speaker 8>People, they have to go.

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Whoever that is is lurking at the edge of the woods. Uh,

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Oh Geddy. Let's

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>get a final thought from everybody on the crew. To

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up the show. There is Michael Langelower, technical director, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your final thought? I'm looking forward to one more

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>thing today. Katie stopped me this morning and said I

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>got a really good thing for one more thing today

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and she did want to reveal what it was. So awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>so too now all right, great? Speaking of Katie Green,

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<v Speaker 1>are esteemed and use woman? Katie, what's your final thought.

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<v Speaker 2>My final thought is that I am feeling a new

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 2>form of anger every time I hear cis woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, I know, I know. Don't seed that ground

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<v Speaker 1>to the radicals. Don't use their invented terminology. Jack of

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>funnel thought. Yeah, I'm going to try to.

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Pull myself out of reading any of your all comments

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>on anything, and whether you're commenting on us or just

0:34:55.719 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff in general, the comment section of the world is

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<v Speaker 2>a disease.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And it will only make you less happy. That has

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>been my experience, and give you a distorted idea of

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>what people think. Very much. Yeah, yeah, anyway, to quote

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>a great piece in the Free Press. If we think

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 1>female means human beings with low circulating osterone, then of

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<v Speaker 1>course anyone who fits that category should be allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>play in female sports. But most Americans do not take

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>that view about what a woman is, and never have.

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<v Speaker 1>I've recognized the difference between men and women and been

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>delighted by it from a very early age. Trust me,

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm an expert. Armstrong and Getdy rabbing up another grueling

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0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>a hustle. Yeah, it's kind of bogus. It's a wild animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Joey baby. Yes, we drank beer. I tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a tiger and two monkeys. You get a

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 1>case of beer. You got a party. Experts. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>all bloody hell is going to break loose. Okay, then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll bring this fool in. Your name's not but three

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