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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up friends.

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Speaker 3: Here we go another episode of Move the Sticks and

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Speaker 3: it is a big one for us here, one because

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Speaker 3: DJ is not here and that's great for everyone, but

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Speaker 3: two because we get to welcome the lead college football

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Speaker 3: analyst for Fox Sports and of course hosts of The

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Speaker 3: Joel Klatt Show, Joel Klatt himself joining us at Lewis

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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Joel. Great to have you with us. Man. Let's go

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Speaker 2: here college football, shall we? Yeah? Yeah, man, love it.

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Speaker 1: How are you guys today?

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Speaker 3: We're fantastic, man. And look, it's been a fun year already. Right,

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Speaker 3: We've had some massive upsets already. We've had some teams

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Speaker 3: that are you know, kind of some upstart teams that

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Speaker 3: maybe we have some connections to on this podcast that

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Speaker 3: we'll get to here at some point. But I do

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Speaker 3: want to start with with kind of your overriding theme

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Speaker 3: that you've seen in the games that you've been at,

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously getting a look at these new conferences

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Speaker 3: now in some of these new matchup especially after watching

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Speaker 3: USC and Michigan in the Big House as well, what's

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Speaker 3: your take on kind of something that's just top line leading.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts at college football right now.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot. To be honest with you, I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to feel as we now get into the end

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Speaker 1: with our schedule, if we can just beat them, and

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Speaker 1: much looking forward to the next month to continue that

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Speaker 1: because I do believe I've done this thing on my

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Speaker 1: to come with the twelve team playoff. I did this

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Speaker 1: like thirty and so like. As this month continues to

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel even more so. And then a

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of what my thoughts were Bucky on

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Speaker 3: I think I kind of mirror those thoughts with you

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Speaker 2: So I certainly understand that line of thinking.

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Speaker 3: I also thought, like those Michigan stars, I had to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they hadn't. They hadn't exactly right. Will Johnson

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Speaker 1: And well, Texas just took those guys away. They didn't

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Speaker 2: Look, it's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about two teams that you know, we were

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Speaker 4: You know, so much excitement this weekend about Georgia Alabama,

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Speaker 2: But this is a big one.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you ask an a lump. We have perspective, yeah,

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Speaker 1: versus y versus the outside fan that has had Colorado

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Speaker 1: thrust upon them in the last couple of years. So

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Speaker 1: our perspective is where we have come from. And so, like,

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Speaker 1: what Dion has done at Colorado is remarkable. They were

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Speaker 1: a one win team that lost by an average of

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Speaker 1: twenty nine points average in the eleven losses twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: which is staggering, guys, Like, the level of ineptitude in

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Speaker 1: that program was staggering. They were the worst Power five

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Speaker 1: program by a wide margin, a wide margin. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, calling them power five at that point is

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Speaker 1: like in conference name only. So when you look at

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Speaker 1: where that was and then now you look at at

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Speaker 1: least in terms of from TCU until now it's thirteen

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Speaker 1: months later. Yeah, from eleven losses by an average of

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Speaker 1: twenty nine to beating Baylor and being three to one

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Speaker 1: and having a shot and having a game against UCF

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Speaker 1: where if you win it, man, you are a team

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Speaker 1: that's competing on the upper tier of the conference. It

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Speaker 1: is absolutely plausible and correct to say that Dion Sanders

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Speaker 1: has done a remarkable job at Colorado. If you don't

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Speaker 1: like his style, that's on you. That's a personal preference,

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Speaker 1: but you cannot argue with the substance of where they

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Speaker 1: were and where they've come. So now then you get

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Speaker 1: to evaluate Bucky I think, and hopefully I do this

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Speaker 1: with clear eyes, But like, okay, so where are they

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Speaker 1: right now? You know, obviously I don't want to pump

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Speaker 1: their tires as if they're going to like win the

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Speaker 1: National Championship, because I don't think that that's correct. I

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Speaker 1: don't even think that they're going to win the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's also incorrect. So where are they Whether they're a

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Speaker 1: team that has improved drastically from week one and from

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Speaker 1: last year, because we know what Shudor can do throw

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Speaker 1: in the football and if he's given any amount of time,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, even if he's not, he's generally going to produce.

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter has five straight one hundred yard games as

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. He's an elite Bolitnikoff level wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best corners in the country on

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Speaker 1: the outside. And then here's where they've grown. They grew

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Speaker 1: in the transfer portal on the defensive line, and are

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Speaker 1: they great? No, but they went from bad to pretty good.

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Speaker 1: So this is a substantial gain in what they are

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side. And now they actually stop the

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Speaker 1: run decently and in the second half they make really

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Speaker 1: solid adjustments. They've only given up seven points in the

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Speaker 1: last like four half second halfs of football. So Colorado

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Speaker 1: is formidable.

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Speaker 2: Are they great?

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Speaker 1: Probably not, but they're formidable. And if you if you

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Speaker 1: look at that with clear eyes, based on where they

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Speaker 1: came from thirteen months ago, what Dion has done is

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Speaker 1: a staggering job. And anybody that tries to say that

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Speaker 1: he's not done a good job, or that it's all

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Speaker 1: hyperbole or that it's all just hot air is lying

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Speaker 1: and they're not evaluating it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Well, sure, Joel.

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Speaker 3: You mean sometimes it takes you know, new programs and

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Speaker 3: new coaches, you know, two, three, four years to win

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Speaker 3: a conference championship.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes one, you know, and we'll see, we'll say,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, that's what we're doing in the state.

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Speaker 1: I tried to give the longest answer possible so that

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Speaker 1: we would not have to get into the signetti.

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Speaker 2: We don't. You'll get into it. You'll get into it

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Speaker 2: on big noon plenty this year.

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Speaker 1: When he said that, So Signetti Indiana's head coach for

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Speaker 1: those of you listening, because by the way, eighty eight

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Speaker 1: percent of the people listening were like, who's signettic what

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Speaker 1: he what.

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Speaker 2: Is he talking about?

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Speaker 1: He's the Indiana Hoosiers head football coach. They're having a

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Speaker 1: solid start to the year. Four No, they went out

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Speaker 1: and beat a pleaded U c L A team, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then they puffed their chest out.

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Speaker 2: All right, But I do like what he's done.

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Speaker 1: Signetti's he's I mean, he went this summer and he

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Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna beat everybody. All I do is win,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, man, he said more than Dion

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Speaker 1: never said. No one upset, No one notices.

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Speaker 2: Talking about beating people right up to head beat Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Never said that.

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Speaker 1: He said it there just throwing haymakers. Believe it's Sunstles

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Speaker 1: at Columbus and everyone's like, yeah, look at that guy

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Speaker 1: over there. What's his name again?

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Speaker 2: You'll know his name?

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Speaker 3: All right, Joel, Hey, we got to get you out

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Speaker 3: of here. Man, thanks so much for for being on

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Speaker 3: the show today. We appreciate it, and I look forward

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Speaker 3: to your call this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Buddy, you got it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thankful DJ was traveling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, God bless all right, that's gonna do

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Speaker 3: it for us this episode to move the stakes much more.

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Speaker 2: Can't take coming your way all this week.

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Speaker 1: Mhm