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Speaker 1: On this episode of news World. Trailblazing TV journalist Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Reilly is the best selling author of the Killing series,

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Speaker 1: and his latest book is Killing the Witches, The Horror

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Speaker 1: of Salem, Massachusetts. Killing the Witches tells the dramatic history

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Speaker 1: of how the Puritan tradition and the power of early

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Speaker 1: American ministers shape the origins of the United States, influencing

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Speaker 1: the Founding Fathers, the American Revolution, and even the Constitutional Convention.

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Speaker 1: The repercussions of Salem continue to the present day, notably

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Speaker 1: in the real life story behind the Exorcists and contemporary

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Speaker 1: witch hunts driven by social media. The result is to

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Speaker 1: compulsively read a book book about good, evil, community, panic,

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Speaker 1: and how fear can overcome fact and reason. Here to

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Speaker 1: talk about his new book, I am very pleased to

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Speaker 1: welcome back my guests, the one and only Bill O'Reilly. Bill, welcome,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me on Newsworld.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, one of the highlights of my book cycle

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Speaker 2: is talking to you, mister speaker.

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Speaker 3: We do this for almost every Killing book.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your generosity and having me in well listen, when.

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Speaker 1: I can be associated with the best seller on your scale,

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Speaker 1: I am quite happy to invite you as often as

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Speaker 1: you want to do another bestseller, but before we do that.

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Speaker 1: You're also a great reporter.

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Speaker 3: You have a remarkable knowledge of the world.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to the recent push for a ceasefire

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Speaker 1: in the Israel Jamas war.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who calls for a cease fire is basically saying

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Speaker 2: Israel should surrender to the terrorists. So a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago we talked about my book Killing the Killers.

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Speaker 2: Chronicled in that book how the United States won against

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Speaker 2: al Qaeda and Isis by being patient and methodical and

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Speaker 2: destroying the leadership, and then extended that into Iran with

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Speaker 2: the assassination of Solomoni, the head of the Republican Guards there.

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Speaker 2: So Israel is in a situation where if they were

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Speaker 2: foolish enough to sign a cease fire, which they will

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Speaker 2: not at this point, they would a be perceived as

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Speaker 2: being weak. B Hamas would remain intact with all its weaponry,

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Speaker 2: so they could do it again any other time they

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Speaker 2: wanted to no restraints on Hamas at all, and see

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Speaker 2: the people of Israel would rise up in rebellion against

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Speaker 2: the net and Yahu government because I mean, just as

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Speaker 2: the United States. The American public would have done that

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Speaker 2: if George W. Bush said, oh, well, we're not going

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Speaker 2: to go after al Qaeda and the Jiadas, We're just.

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Speaker 3: Going to let it go. No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we live in a world where retribution is

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Speaker 2: part of the process of self protection. So when I

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Speaker 2: hear the word cease fire, I know that the person

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Speaker 2: saying the word is either disingenuous, is a lot of

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Speaker 2: that phony garbage, or stupid, And in either case, I

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Speaker 2: don't engage.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if you were in the Congress, what would

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Speaker 1: your reaction be to Biden's proposal for both Ukraine sixty

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Speaker 1: one billion and fourteen billion for Israel.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would separate it out.

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Speaker 2: I understand that the world is a dangerous place and

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Speaker 2: to allow people like Putin to go in and literally

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Speaker 2: conquer free countries without any pushback is just inviting more

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Speaker 2: disorder in the world. So you were making a stand

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine not the best place to do that. Ukraine

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Speaker 2: is a corrupt country, always has been. You know your

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Speaker 2: history as well as anyone a collaborator with the Nazis.

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Speaker 2: This is not a good place Ukraine. But now they're

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Speaker 2: fighting for their freedom, and I think America should help them,

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Speaker 2: but it's got to be targeted help pardon the punt,

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Speaker 2: got to have a mechanism to keep an eye on

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Speaker 2: And I don't think Biden is doing that at all

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Speaker 2: as far as Israel is concerned. It's a terror play,

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Speaker 2: all right. There are two different situations. We're fighting worldwide

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Speaker 2: terrorism in the Middle East and we're fighting a brutal

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Speaker 2: dictator Putin in Ukraine. And again, if you let them

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Speaker 2: win either one of them, then you invite more disorder

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to Mike Johnson finally becoming speaker after

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Speaker 1: three weeks of chaos.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you know, I'm not a publican.

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Speaker 2: I'm a registered independent, and you know far more about

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Speaker 2: from an outsider's point of view, all I want as

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Speaker 2: an American citizen, not a journalist or a historian. Now, Joseph,

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Speaker 2: an American citizen is for Congress to try to solve

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Speaker 2: some problems and make the lives of Americans better. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Mike Johnson or it's McCarthy

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I just want this ideology and political madness to stop.

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Speaker 2: The danger that we face as Americans is we have

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Speaker 2: The Democratic Party has moved so far left that if

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Speaker 2: he believes America is noble despite its flaws, you cannot

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Speaker 2: So in order to neutralize that far left movement, the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party has got to win. It's like a sports

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Speaker 2: You've got to win, and you can't win when you

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Speaker 2: And that's what happened. So I didn't think McCarthy did

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Speaker 2: It seemed to me that he was trying to get

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Speaker 1: We're really going to talk now about your book, but

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Speaker 1: I have to start by just saying, this is your

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Speaker 1: thirteenth book in the Killing series, all of them best sellers.

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Speaker 1: Are you a little surprised that this caught on as

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Speaker 3: More than a little.

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Speaker 2: I remember my third grade teacher, sister Laurana, going, William.

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Speaker 3: Are you ever going to read a book? And as well,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: All these years later, sister, I've sold more nonfiction books

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Speaker 2: than anyone in history. All Right, So yeah, I finally

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Speaker 2: got around and reading the book, and now I'm writing them,

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Speaker 2: and we are the most successful nonfiction book series of

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Speaker 3: So the formula is very simple.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a very talented guy, and I've always

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Speaker 1: enjoyed working with you. But I find it amazing that

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Speaker 1: you have built this audience that waits for the next

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Speaker 1: Killing book and where you're going to go and what

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Speaker 1: you're going to cover. And it's a very diverse series.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I can write about anything.

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Speaker 2: So, as you point out, this is the thirteenth Killing book,

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Speaker 2: and the reason I wanted to write about Killing the

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Speaker 2: Witches is I think people should know the oranges of

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Speaker 3: Really began. So we put you on the Mayflower.

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Speaker 2: It's the first chapter of Killing the Witches, is the

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Speaker 2: voyage over and you know America's oh the Pilgrims, the

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Speaker 2: Mayflower Past, the stuffing. No, this was horrible, this voyage

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Speaker 2: sixty six days. And then when the Puritans got here,

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Speaker 2: and the homicides, mass homicides in Salem, this punishing colony

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Speaker 3: You're going to hell. You do this, We're going to

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Speaker 2: Kids couldn't play, and it just mounted it mounted a

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Speaker 3: But the reason.

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Speaker 2: I really wrote the book, even though I thought that

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Speaker 2: of cancel culture. There's no difference between a twelve year

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Speaker 3: Oh, that woman is a witch.

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Speaker 2: She came and made me sign the Devil's book, and

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Speaker 2: We don't hang them, but we destroy their lives, and

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Speaker 2: we give at the end of killing the witches, the

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Speaker 2: modern day witch hunt, regular folks getting their lives destroyed

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Speaker 2: because due process, and this is absolutely at the feet

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Speaker 2: process in Salem, the accusation you're guilty, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I tied it all in together, and that's what

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Speaker 2: motivated me to write Killing the Witches.

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, this is there's really a book

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Speaker 1: as much about today as it is about seventeenth century Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the danger of the society that we live in

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Speaker 2: now is being hidden. Once due process goes, hysteria takes

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Speaker 2: over and we're on the verge of that. Anybody listening

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Speaker 2: to us, mister speaker now, who has had to go

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Speaker 3: Fallen apart just on perjury alone.

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Speaker 2: Every lawyer in this country will tell you it doesn't

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Speaker 3: Those people are going to get on a stand.

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Speaker 2: And lie their butt off, and even if it's exposed,

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Speaker 2: So I wanted people to know the danger in play now,

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Speaker 2: of presumption of innocence that came directly from Salem, because

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Speaker 2: Franklin told Madison and Jefferson weren't have in any religion

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Speaker 2: they lost the brawl, and that's part of killing the

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Speaker 2: witches too, because of Salem. Now I'll ask you, missus Bieker,

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Speaker 1: Why was Salem such a center of hostility? And oppression.

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Speaker 2: Well, when they first got here, a hundred Puritans who

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Speaker 2: were booted out of England King James and wanting.

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Speaker 3: Part of them all right, they first got.

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Speaker 2: Here, they landed in Cape Cot and they were supposed

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Speaker 2: guess malfunctions go up in Massachusetts and the people who

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Speaker 2: Roger Williams took his crew to Providence. They were the

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Speaker 2: to Salem. There was no Boston, and they did so

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Speaker 2: so they could just take what they wanted. Anyway, Salem

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, twenty human meanings are dead, one

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Speaker 2: That's the hysteria we have today, which is very similar

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Speaker 1: There's one particular slave who really dramatically expands the sense

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Speaker 1: It's utterly fascinating and you do such an amazing job

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Speaker 2: Yes, as we mentioned, the woman's name was Tituba, and

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Speaker 2: And she brings all this law to Salem and passes

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Speaker 2: Children love this stuff. They love it. They couldn't get

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Speaker 2: And my next book, which will be out next September,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's quite a project.

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Speaker 3: You bet. We're up to Chester Arthur right now.

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Speaker 2: And you will not believe, because I know you're a historian,

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Speaker 3: I'll just give you one taste.

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Speaker 2: George Washington did not like his mother, and his mother

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, where do you read this? That's the kind

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Speaker 1: You always do an amazing level of research. I have

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Speaker 1: to say, you're a great storyteller. You bring together facts

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Speaker 3: Well, it's our mandate.

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Speaker 3: And he brought in this not anti.

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Speaker 1: You really see part of our passion for religious liberty

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Speaker 3: And he never forgot it, and.

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Speaker 2: That changed the way we live today in profound ways.

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Speaker 1: And the other point you make, which is so central

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Speaker 3: So that had a lot to do with our due

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Speaker 2: But it angers me, literally angers me to see now

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm going to write a boy if

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Speaker 3: Did write Culture Warrior way back.

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Speaker 2: In the early two thousands, but I got to update

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Speaker 2: in college campuses. What's going on in a progressive movement?

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Speaker 2: The George Sorow stuff, all of that is so dangerous,

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Speaker 2: and most Americans are asleep.

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Speaker 3: They don't know.

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Speaker 1: When I think about what's going on, that we've had this,

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Speaker 1: as you put it, agree entirely. You have this creeping

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Speaker 2: Most Americans believe that they are free, and to some

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Speaker 2: extent that's true. So if you want to move from

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Speaker 2: want to paint your house green, you can do that

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Speaker 2: unless there's a strict code and where you live. We

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Speaker 2: have surface freedoms, but the real important freedoms.

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Speaker 3: Are being eroded and very quickly.

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Speaker 2: And part of it is income redistribution. And that's a

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Speaker 2: profound progressive tenant where private property is no longer sacra sanct.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you took over as Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 2: did you ever think you were going to see an

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Speaker 2: entire party say we need a wealth tax, we need

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Speaker 2: to seize private property.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever think you were going to see that?

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Speaker 1: No? I think I was ever going to see a

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Speaker 1: party that had a pro terrorist faction that openly and

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Speaker 1: publicly supports the terrorists.

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Speaker 3: Let me make this, that's what happened in Salem.

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Speaker 2: This hysteria that Hamas is entitled to murder women and

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Speaker 2: children because they have a grievance is the same hysteria

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Speaker 2: that you saw in Salem on the witches because the

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Speaker 2: devil was hurting people, so we have to execute the

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Speaker 2: people who are helping the devil. Now, these people on

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Speaker 2: the college campuses and all on hardcore, I don't think

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Speaker 2: there are that.

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Speaker 3: Many of them.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Paul show about seventy percent of American

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Speaker 2: support Israel. But they say, oh, Israel is an oppressive nation,

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Speaker 2: so Hamas can go in there and kill babies as

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Speaker 2: long as they're Jewish, It's okay. I mean what this

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Speaker 2: is the kind of madness, right, It's madness.

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Speaker 1: And there are real threats to Jews in America from

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Speaker 1: some of these pro terrorist groups. I mean the other

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Speaker 1: day a group of Jewish students literally barricaded themselves in

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Speaker 1: a library because the pro Hamas, pro terrorist people were

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Speaker 1: threatening them. And of course the current administration does nothing

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Speaker 1: to apply hate laws to these kind of actions.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was Cooper Union in New York City. And

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Speaker 2: New York City is the nexus of the progressive movement.

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Speaker 2: This is where it is. But President Biden, see, I

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Speaker 2: don't know whether he's just so delusional at this point

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Speaker 2: in his life.

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Speaker 3: I think he might be.

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Speaker 2: He's incapable now of understanding really what's happening. And his

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Speaker 2: staff that runs him, including his wife Jill, they're basically

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Speaker 2: tell him, don't alienate the money.

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Speaker 3: Guys. You look who's financing Biden's re election campaign.

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Speaker 2: It's Soros, Loreene Powell, Steve Jobs's widow, Jeffrey Katzenberg is

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Speaker 2: the head of it. These are billionaire people who are

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Speaker 2: the stalwarts of the progressive movement. Joe Biden is never

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Speaker 2: going to a go against that movement. And one of

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Speaker 2: the tenets of progresses is Israel's a fascist country and

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Speaker 2: it deserves what it gets.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, it is so much fun to talk with you.

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Speaker 1: If I want to thank you for joining me. As always,

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Speaker 1: it's a fascinating conversation with you. Your new book, Killing

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Speaker 1: the Witches The Horror of Salem, Massachusetts is a great

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Visus Vigor, It's always fun. I hope to

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Speaker 3: see you soon.

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