WEBVTT - We Learned Today Why Tyler Robinson Assassinated Charlie Kirk 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, September the sixteenth, and

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<v Speaker 1>the suspects when the assassination of Charlie Kirk made his

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<v Speaker 1>first court appearance today and who we got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of new, interesting, intriguing, and even shocking details about this

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<v Speaker 1>case today. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy.

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<v Speaker 1>And TJ wrote the the details just keep on coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you right now. We'll get into all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there something that jumped out at you? The

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<v Speaker 1>hearing went fifteen minutes, and it was virtual. We should

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<v Speaker 1>say he was not in the physical court. But what

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<v Speaker 1>jumped out.

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<v Speaker 2>At you today? The text exchanges between Tyler and his

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<v Speaker 2>they keep calling him his roommate, which maybe they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what word to use, but they were in a

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<v Speaker 2>romantic relationship, so normally you would say boyfriend or girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>It just try out that his significant other is a

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<v Speaker 2>biological male who was transitioning into a female.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's because.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know what how to what label to give

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<v Speaker 2>this significant other. They're calling him a roommate, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is interesting because if you hear this text exchange,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's wild, but he calls him my love, my love,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see this softer human side of a man

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<v Speaker 2>who now appears to be a monster given what he did,

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<v Speaker 2>what he planned to do. You really like I have

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<v Speaker 2>never seen or at least witnessed so much insight into

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<v Speaker 2>a killer's mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Within days of the actual murder.

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<v Speaker 2>The text exchanges that we got to actually good point

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<v Speaker 2>hear and see today for me were ja DrAk.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, he gets to talk to someone he trusted

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<v Speaker 1>who was very intimate and close to him, and he

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<v Speaker 1>never thought anybody would hear this before get any more

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<v Speaker 1>insight than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And in the text exchange, he told his I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say significant other his partner to delete it. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, delete this, and then I'm sorry, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he said, don't show this to anyone. Get a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>plead the fifth like, don't tell anyone what I just

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<v Speaker 2>told you.

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<v Speaker 1>And your point led to is part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why he's facing a particular charge. So let's get you

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<v Speaker 1>updated here. Yes, Tyler Robinson, the twenty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>suspecting the killing of Charlie Kirk, did make his first

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<v Speaker 1>court appearance today. It was a virtual court appearance. He

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<v Speaker 1>did not enter a plea. This was for them to

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<v Speaker 1>determine whether or not he would have an attorney, what

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<v Speaker 1>his representation would be if he was able to afford

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<v Speaker 1>one he is not, has been determined. So now they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a court appointed lawyer for him. Also

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<v Speaker 1>a big point the court was making the judge at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, again, this was all virtual, kind of bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sitting in there in a room by himself, in

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<v Speaker 1>a virtual box on a screen like a zoom that

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<v Speaker 1>we've all been in, and here he is in a

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<v Speaker 1>flag jacket, sleeveless, white concrete wall. I think were the

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<v Speaker 1>only words he said. I think was his name During

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing, he asked to state your name, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was it. But he did not show an ounce of

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<v Speaker 1>emotion of anything the entire time when he had to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to seek the death penalty against you. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the other big highlight. They are going to seek the

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty. Seven charges against him. A protective order for Erica.

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk will get into that and the new details robes.

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<v Speaker 1>He turned himself into his parents, in with his family,

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<v Speaker 1>a family friend and his parents helped turn him in.

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<v Speaker 1>They implied that he was going to kill himself. He

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<v Speaker 1>had planned this shooting for about a week. These are

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<v Speaker 1>just some of the highlights and the text exchanges and robes.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to read back and forth the full

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<v Speaker 1>text exchange between him and his roommate. On the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the roommate, a lot of people are expressing confusion,

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<v Speaker 1>like why is the roommate seemingly off the hook with

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<v Speaker 1>authorities right now? Like there seemed to be more. They

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<v Speaker 1>came out pretty quickly and said we don't think anybody

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<v Speaker 1>was a part of it, and that they weren't seeking

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<v Speaker 1>any charges. Again, nobody else was under investigation, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people took issue or were a little perplexed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll let you, the listener, decide what you think when

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<v Speaker 2>we read you these text exchanges. But my takeaway was

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<v Speaker 2>I was imagining what would I do? What would you

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<v Speaker 2>do if the person you loved suddenly dropped this bomb,

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<v Speaker 2>this unthinkable bomb on you? And you can even see

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<v Speaker 2>in the text he has all these question marks and

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<v Speaker 2>exclamation points like are you serious?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you joking? It seemed so.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of character, obviously because he was thrown and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe Tyler when he was telling him what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually thought, Hey, I thought, though they caught someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>it isn't you, right, I mean, so I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>give him some grace to say, you need a beat

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes to actually like process the fact that this person

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a relationship with, this person you love, is

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<v Speaker 2>now telling you that they did some horrific, heinous thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a tough thing to process. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when he finally talked to police. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know when he finally showed them everything, but he certainly

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<v Speaker 2>is cooperating. He's certainly giving them all the evidence they

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<v Speaker 2>need to convict this guy for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So look, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he need to be punished because he took a

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<v Speaker 2>beat because he maybe I don't know how long it

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<v Speaker 2>took for him to come forward and to show what

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<v Speaker 2>he had, the evidence he had, but he had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it and he has given it up, And

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<v Speaker 2>so I just think we shouldn't be so quick to pounce.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm talking about that. Like trained and career

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<v Speaker 1>FBI and law folks were on TV saying, well, you

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<v Speaker 1>would never come out and say we're not looking for anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't declare that you wouldn't know that already. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no way. Now people have their criticism of the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>and how it's been handled by Cash Bettel. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a whole other podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It is what a day that was for him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But you remember we both said, wait a minute, what

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<v Speaker 1>is that about when the first detail, when the early

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<v Speaker 1>detail said he has a roommate who is a male

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<v Speaker 1>transitioning to female, and we are investigating what role that

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<v Speaker 1>might have could have played in this killing. We heard

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<v Speaker 1>the governor say that on Sunday, and we.

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<v Speaker 3>All equate, Wait, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>So it is it possible that his relationship or some

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<v Speaker 1>way I guess they're suggesting that is that what quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote radicalized him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it did seem as though from what we've

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<v Speaker 2>heard his mom talk about the fact that he became

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<v Speaker 2>more political, that he became more pro gay, pro trans rights,

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<v Speaker 2>that that could have played a role. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 2>is a jump that I don't think is out of turn.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is a logical progression potentially as

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<v Speaker 2>to where his mind was.

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<v Speaker 3>We still don't have a motive, but just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Of insight we heard from his mom or reportedly that

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<v Speaker 2>his mom told investigators that, yes, he had really been

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<v Speaker 2>talking more and more about gay rights about trans rights.

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<v Speaker 3>So could that have played a role. It seems like

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<v Speaker 3>it could have.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is the text exchange. This is the full

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<v Speaker 1>text exchange that they did release today. The prosecutors in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, they had a press conference about an hour

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<v Speaker 1>or so before the actual hearing to just update everybody

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<v Speaker 1>and put out some more information. Now, I which one

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<v Speaker 1>you want to take here ropes? We're just going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the back end forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's fine. I can be Robinson, you can be roommate,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You start at the top there would drop what you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing right at the top, and then I'll pick up

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<v Speaker 1>from there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Tyler Robinson's roommate received a text message from him

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<v Speaker 2>which said, drop what you were doing, look under my keyboard.

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<v Speaker 1>So after that, apparently the roommate did look under the

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<v Speaker 1>keyboard and found a note. In that note allegedly said

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<v Speaker 1>I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take it now. The roommate, according to authorities,

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<v Speaker 1>did read that note and after reading the note text

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<v Speaker 1>it back to Robinson. Saying, what you're joking right? And

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<v Speaker 1>that had a bunch of question.

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<v Speaker 2>Marks, And I think that was really interesting, all the

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<v Speaker 2>question marks, just because.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how young.

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<v Speaker 2>You're, right, I write like that, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>young folks write like that, just really feigning kind of

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<v Speaker 2>disdain or like, wait.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're emphasizing?

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<v Speaker 3>Joke? This is?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you actually out of your mind kidding me? How

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<v Speaker 2>many question marks is that? I can't even count?

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<v Speaker 3>Like ten?

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<v Speaker 2>At least at least I was gonna say a dozen.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe what you're joking right? Robinson texts, I am still okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my love, but am stuck in orum for a little

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<v Speaker 2>while longer yet shouldn't be long until I can come home.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I had hoped to keep this secret till I died

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<v Speaker 2>of old age.

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<v Speaker 3>I am sorry to involve you.

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<v Speaker 1>The roommate responds, you weren't the one who did it

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<v Speaker 1>right with four question marks at the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Robinson replies, I am, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>The roommate says to that, I thought they caught the person.

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson says, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then

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<v Speaker 2>interrogated someone in similar clothing I had planned to grab

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<v Speaker 2>my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most

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<v Speaker 2>of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet,

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<v Speaker 2>almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle linger.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the roommate questions why, and I guess after Robinson

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of describing trying to get out. He was

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<v Speaker 1>describing like creeping around, trying to find a way out.

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<v Speaker 1>The roommate then goes back to asking like es simply.

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<v Speaker 3>Why, right, and then Robinson has to qualify and says,

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<v Speaker 3>why did I do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is the response, and the roommate just simply said yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And again we have these details they're giving. They released

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<v Speaker 1>every back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fascinating, and so yes, we say we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know motive. Here's the motive people right here, his lover,

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<v Speaker 2>his partner, his significant other. His roommate asks him why,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what Robinson says. I had enough of

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<v Speaker 2>his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I

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<v Speaker 2>am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have

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<v Speaker 2>left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything

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<v Speaker 2>about them finding it. So he's monitoring the news in

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<v Speaker 2>real time as he's trying to get the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>And get out defense attorney's up against this business. One

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<v Speaker 1>wild the roommate to that I guess confession and motive

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<v Speaker 1>via text. Allegedly, the roommate responds, how long have you

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<v Speaker 1>been planning this?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we are really getting fascinating information here, Robinson replies,

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<v Speaker 2>a bit over a week.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe I can get close to it, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>a squad car parked right by it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they already swept that spot, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to chance it. He then says, I'm wishing I

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<v Speaker 2>had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I

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<v Speaker 2>got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man

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<v Speaker 2>would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it had a serial number, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't trace to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I worry about Prince.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to leave it in a bush where I

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<v Speaker 2>changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it with I might have to abandon it and hope

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<v Speaker 2>they don't find prints. How the f will I explain

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<v Speaker 2>losing it to my old man.

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<v Speaker 3>Only thing I.

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<v Speaker 2>Left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how

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<v Speaker 2>I was engraving bullets. F The FN messages are mostly

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<v Speaker 2>a big meme. If I see notices bulge UWU on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News, I might have a stroke. All Right, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to leave it. That really effing sucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was a two thousand dollars scope.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we stop for just this moment? This was so.

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<v Speaker 2>Bizarre and fascinating and creepy all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's worried about his dad being upset about his grandpa's rifle,

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<v Speaker 2>he's excited about Fox News talking about his engraved bullets.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean joke, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a joke to him. He sounded like a

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<v Speaker 1>young person who was caught up in in what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>He but robes to your point, so many things we

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<v Speaker 1>wondered about and questioned. He's giving us an answer and

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<v Speaker 1>a play by play for everything. And if these are

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<v Speaker 1>actually and sane, we have no reason to think they're

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<v Speaker 1>not accurate. But he is giving a bizarre play by play.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you start with a defense.

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<v Speaker 2>This is mind blowing. That we're getting this kind of insight.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Thankfully because of his roommate, his partner, that he gave

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<v Speaker 2>this and turned this over. I mean, I'm sure they

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<v Speaker 2>would have found it. I mean, who texts this?

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<v Speaker 3>Also, like, what are you you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody just committed a pre planned murder? Why in God's

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<v Speaker 2>name would you detail everything you did, why you did it,

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<v Speaker 2>how you were doing it, what you were thinking in

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<v Speaker 2>real time as you were doing it. This like this,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything like this. So to that point,

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<v Speaker 2>the next thing Tyler Robinson texts to his roommate is

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<v Speaker 2>delete this exchange.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course he did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Robinson goes on to just say this, my dad

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<v Speaker 2>wants photos of the rifle.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what.

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<v Speaker 2>The Feds released a photo of the rifle and it

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<v Speaker 2>is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he says this, since Trump got into office, my

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<v Speaker 2>dad has been pretty die hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Maga.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the next text, I'm going to turn myself in willingly.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he texts again, you are all I worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>Love and This is interesting. The last one that was

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<v Speaker 1>released from the roommate after that, saying, I'm much more

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<v Speaker 1>worried about you.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's all he said. I mean, imagine processing everything

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<v Speaker 3>that he just said to him. That had to be

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine what the word is to describe what that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been like. But then Robinson, this is his final

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<v Speaker 2>text to his roommate, to his partner. Don't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the media. Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments.

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<v Speaker 2>If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and

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<v Speaker 2>stay silent. Don't take any interviews or make any comments.

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<v Speaker 2>If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and

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<v Speaker 2>stay silent. So he's just repeating himself, just begging now

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<v Speaker 2>at this point for him not to come forward and

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<v Speaker 2>to not say what he knows.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because he's twenty eighty two. He just shot and

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<v Speaker 1>executed a man in front of the world, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>worried about what his dad and grandpa are gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>upset about the gun like he sounds like that's very

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<v Speaker 1>much a kid's mindset. It's almost like he doesn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>the gravity of what he just did.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like that too. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>just more like, hey, I did what I had to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I've just got to just got to clean

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<v Speaker 2>up a few things. And I wanted to keep this

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<v Speaker 2>with me till I'm old. But sorry to involve you

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<v Speaker 2>not recognizing what you say we had just done.

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<v Speaker 1>You say we become desensitized so often to things because

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<v Speaker 1>we hear the same speech, or we see so much violence.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems to have no that it doesn't register at all,

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<v Speaker 1>that the loss of human life and that he took it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine taking a human life life and not

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<v Speaker 1>having a profound and immediate impact on me and just

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<v Speaker 1>to go about texting and being normal. And this is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>But we do want to tell you. Stay here, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you exactly what the charges are against him, why

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<v Speaker 1>the judge is in particular concerned about the public defender

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<v Speaker 1>that the defendant is going to get, and why Erica

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk's name came up today in the hearing. We continue now.

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<v Speaker 1>The suspect and the charge the Kirk assassination, made his

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<v Speaker 1>first court appearance today just a matter of hours ago.

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<v Speaker 1>In romes we did here. There are not one, not two,

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<v Speaker 1>nine three, There are seven counts against him, and they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about these aggravating factors. But the first one, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess is the big one, right, aggravated murder, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that possibly comes with a death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>He's convicted on this one fell only discharge of a firearm,

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<v Speaker 1>obstruction of justice, a couple of counts of that, witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>tampering a couple of counts of that, and also commission

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<v Speaker 1>of a violent offense in the presence of a child.

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<v Speaker 1>They add these aggravating factors which make essentially your sentencing

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<v Speaker 1>potential worse. But the aggravating factors include the defendant targeting

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk because of his political expression and also committing an

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<v Speaker 1>act like this in the presence of a child, in

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of a miner who you knew would witness

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<v Speaker 1>the homicide. So those are aggravating factors. But he's facing

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<v Speaker 1>seven counts. He's absolutely facing life in prison. But Robes

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<v Speaker 1>he is facing. We knew this because ahead of time,

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<v Speaker 1>because the governor was saying it, but they did it

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<v Speaker 1>a short time before the hearing. They made it official

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going after the death building.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they made it clear from the onset, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was when we heard that his family ended up turning

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<v Speaker 2>him in and helping him turn himself in. I was

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<v Speaker 2>really shaken thinking about it from the parent's perspective of

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<v Speaker 2>knowing when they turned their son in, they knew he

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<v Speaker 2>would most certainly be facing the death penalty, and if

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<v Speaker 2>they believed he did it, they would literally be handing

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<v Speaker 2>their son over to die, and just imagining what that

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<v Speaker 2>would be like as a parent, regardless of just how

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<v Speaker 2>heinous the crime was that your son committed, just to

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<v Speaker 2>know you still love your son, it doesn't matter what

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<v Speaker 2>he did, and to imagine being in their position, it just.

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<v Speaker 3>It blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, the fact that they're seeking the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>is no surprise. They made that clear from the on

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<v Speaker 2>set and.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in that moment where the judge did tell him

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<v Speaker 1>that they said, we're seeking the death penalty. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor said it. There was no reaction from him.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just no I mean, I don't expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>break down and crying, but he just almost didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like he was there. I've seen people just like there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing in people's eyes before. I didn't see that. I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw someone who didn't, I don't know, didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I was expecting. What are you

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to get it? I'm told he's a monster and

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<v Speaker 1>all these things, But I'm so I'm looking trying to

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<v Speaker 1>see something there.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I think it is? I think

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<v Speaker 2>he feels justified, and so yes.

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<v Speaker 1>A man's the only situation to where he did something.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he feels justified, and I think that's how

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<v Speaker 2>he is at peace, because he knew this was a possible,

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<v Speaker 2>if not likely, outcome, that he'd be caught, that he'd

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<v Speaker 2>be sentenced to death, and he feels as though he

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<v Speaker 2>might be a martyr for the cause, a martyr for

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<v Speaker 2>the freedom of being gay, the freedom of being trans,

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<v Speaker 2>the freedom of all of those things that we all want,

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<v Speaker 2>but that maybe and certainly some groups feel oppressed by

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<v Speaker 2>this administration. And so he feels like he took a

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<v Speaker 2>stand for what he believes and that he was willing

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<v Speaker 2>to die for it.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the expression I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, that's a possibility. Well, the judge did determine he

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have the money to afford attorney, so yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to assign one to him. But Robes the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a representative there from the state who was saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking for somebody for him, and the judge was

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<v Speaker 1>specific and got into some very technical legales into the weeds,

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<v Speaker 1>but the judge was essentially arguing, whoever you give him

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<v Speaker 1>needs to have a certain type of experience because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a death penalty case and you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>end up in a position to where you can appeal

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<v Speaker 1>later because he didn't have adequate representation.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about you know what I was thinking of,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the public defender who's defending him and all

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<v Speaker 2>vitriol against Charlie Kirk, but the people who are now

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<v Speaker 2>upset obviously that he's been killed. Does that public defender

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<v Speaker 2>worry about his own safety? Does he need a security detail?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the rhetoric has just blown up, as we've talked

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<v Speaker 3>about on both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just I wonder how safe you would feel

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<v Speaker 2>representing a man who at least half the country hates,

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<v Speaker 2>but probably more than that. And you're in a position

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<v Speaker 2>where there's incoming you say, hates, but.

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<v Speaker 1>There man, there's a segment of the population that would

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<v Speaker 1>take a shot at this guy if they had a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just there should be nobody. But that's just

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<v Speaker 1>not how it works, but it just in the climate

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<v Speaker 1>we're in. Uh yeah, yeah he was. He was in

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<v Speaker 1>a flag jacket today and there was a vest sitting there,

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<v Speaker 1>but again it was virtual. The next hearing of September

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth, we're told that one is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>virtual as well. The prosecutor actually jumped in and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a second, is this going to be a WebEx thing?

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<v Speaker 1>We got to show up and the judge says it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be online again.

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<v Speaker 3>Why was he in a flat jacket?

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<v Speaker 1>So no, I don't know what his movements were going

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<v Speaker 1>in and out, but you wouldn't need one obviously if

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<v Speaker 1>you're inside. But he must have had to been transferred

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<v Speaker 1>in some way to where he was outdoors and felt

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<v Speaker 1>his nice to be protected.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously saw him and I was thinking, like, was that

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<v Speaker 2>It almost seemed like it was for show, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, he obviously doesn't need one. I wouldn't think

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<v Speaker 2>in front of a computer with armed guards around him anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought that was strange.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't take that. I didn't look that up anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't take that as anything other than a flat jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>He could have been in a protective vest that he

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing. So the only time they would put somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in that is if they know somebody in the public.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just weird.

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<v Speaker 2>If you knew the world was watching, why you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have him take it off when he was sitting down.

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<v Speaker 3>It just, I don't know, it felt dramatic. Oh yeah, Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 1>See the point you're kind of making. You kind of

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<v Speaker 1>add to the whole. I guess violent imagery, the warlike

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<v Speaker 1>imagery here he is sitting there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was a choice right to leave the

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<v Speaker 3>flack jacket on.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know. I hadn't thought about it in

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<v Speaker 1>that regard to the way you put it. But they

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<v Speaker 1>The judge also he did grant a protective order on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of Erica Kirk. He didn't get into the details,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could assume just want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the defendant isn't able to contact or harass or do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to her in anyway, So I thought. The judge

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of moments he thanked Robinson, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was weird. And at the end he

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<v Speaker 3>said that was really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was talking about the next hearing, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I invite you to join us at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Strange the actual Why was he being so polite?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it was weird. It threw me too. It

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<v Speaker 3>threw me as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's just his way he goes about. But I

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<v Speaker 1>invite you to join, you don't. He's not gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a choice of a.

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<v Speaker 2>May being an inmate who just murdered someone for being present?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is what exact?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I read the same thing you saw it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I I was like, did I just read that correctly?

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought it is weird choice, It's strange, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the way this judge goes about things. But

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of last things here robes that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>were significant that jumped out today. Obviously still no motive.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically, we did read the we did read the text.

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<v Speaker 1>They keep saying th us not working on a motive,

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<v Speaker 1>But they say no, but you remember when we saw

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<v Speaker 1>him on the surveillance video, we said, oh, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>looked like somebody was limping because he jumped off the building.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a different theory for why he might have

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<v Speaker 1>been limping. They believe he was hiding the long gun

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<v Speaker 1>at times in some of the video down the pan

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<v Speaker 1>Wow leg, wow, that gait. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>They think possibly, yes, it did look like hemp clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if I think about a rifle being there and

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<v Speaker 2>you not being able to bend your leg, they think.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happened. Also said, his mom and his dad

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<v Speaker 1>immediately recognize him from the photo. We find that out today.

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<v Speaker 1>They I mean, you know your child? You said that,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember you said I couldn't tell who that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, but if that were you, I know you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would.

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<v Speaker 3>You know your child?

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<v Speaker 1>They immediately knew who he was. They talked, both of greed. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that's our kid that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be awful like worse and worse like

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<v Speaker 2>almost that is worst case scenario. I feel like, not

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<v Speaker 2>only did your son murder someone, but now you know

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to die, Like it's like a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a double whammy that I can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's most tragic, I guess for the children of

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kurk, course, his wife and his immediate family and

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<v Speaker 1>his political family. But there are so many tragedies all

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<v Speaker 1>over this story. There are so many tragedies involved, and

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<v Speaker 1>right now we look, we'll talk about the hearings later.

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<v Speaker 1>But we watch some hearings today, some congressional hearings seeing

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<v Speaker 1>cash Bettel. You're terrified about where we are and where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going. That seeing this dude get.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot has now ignited, But it didn't calm us.

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<v Speaker 1>No, are we being kinder to each other and go

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do better?

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<v Speaker 3>A storm that is now just brewing, I fear.

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<v Speaker 1>So please close us out for us. I got Really,

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<v Speaker 1>we have had a long day. It is exhausting. We

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<v Speaker 1>watch the hearings and then watching a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>and hearing some of the new details. It's just heavy ropes.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>And we said this a lot of times when we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about the story in particular. If there is

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<v Speaker 2>any silver lining, if there's any takeaway, it's just for

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<v Speaker 2>us all to be just more accepting. And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter what side of the aisle you're on, because you

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<v Speaker 2>can't think that, you can't think that you're like someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone can't be wrong. Someone has to be willing to

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<v Speaker 2>just accept the.

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<v Speaker 3>Fact that we can agree to disagree. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping that that can one day be possible. And

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<v Speaker 2>so just yes, for anyone in your life that you

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<v Speaker 2>might not agree with completely.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can just show them some grace, show them

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<v Speaker 3>some love, I think that's the best takeaway we.

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<v Speaker 2>Can have from today and from what has happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So with that, thank you for joining us, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for listening to us. I maybe roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk to you very soon.