Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, September the sixteenth, and
Speaker 1: the suspects when the assassination of Charlie Kirk made his
Speaker 1: first court appearance today and who we got a bunch
Speaker 1: of new, interesting, intriguing, and even shocking details about this
Speaker 1: case today. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy.
Speaker 1: And TJ wrote the the details just keep on coming.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you right now. We'll get into all of it.
Speaker 1: But is there something that jumped out at you? The
Speaker 1: hearing went fifteen minutes, and it was virtual. We should
Speaker 1: say he was not in the physical court. But what
Speaker 1: jumped out.
Speaker 2: At you today? The text exchanges between Tyler and his
Speaker 2: they keep calling him his roommate, which maybe they don't
Speaker 2: know what word to use, but they were in a
Speaker 2: romantic relationship, so normally you would say boyfriend or girlfriend.
Speaker 2: It just try out that his significant other is a
Speaker 2: biological male who was transitioning into a female.
Speaker 3: And I think it's because.
Speaker 2: They don't know what how to what label to give
Speaker 2: this significant other. They're calling him a roommate, which I
Speaker 2: think is interesting because if you hear this text exchange,
Speaker 2: and it's wild, but he calls him my love, my love,
Speaker 2: and you see this softer human side of a man
Speaker 2: who now appears to be a monster given what he did,
Speaker 2: what he planned to do. You really like I have
Speaker 2: never seen or at least witnessed so much insight into
Speaker 2: a killer's mind.
Speaker 3: Within days of the actual murder.
Speaker 2: The text exchanges that we got to actually good point
Speaker 2: hear and see today for me were ja DrAk.
Speaker 1: You're right, he gets to talk to someone he trusted
Speaker 1: who was very intimate and close to him, and he
Speaker 1: never thought anybody would hear this before get any more
Speaker 1: insight than that.
Speaker 2: Yes, And in the text exchange, he told his I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say significant other his partner to delete it. He
Speaker 2: was like, delete this, and then I'm sorry, and then
Speaker 2: he said, don't show this to anyone. Get a lawyer,
Speaker 2: plead the fifth like, don't tell anyone what I just
Speaker 2: told you.
Speaker 1: And your point led to is part of the reason
Speaker 1: why he's facing a particular charge. So let's get you
Speaker 1: updated here. Yes, Tyler Robinson, the twenty two year old
Speaker 1: suspecting the killing of Charlie Kirk, did make his first
Speaker 1: court appearance today. It was a virtual court appearance. He
Speaker 1: did not enter a plea. This was for them to
Speaker 1: determine whether or not he would have an attorney, what
Speaker 1: his representation would be if he was able to afford
Speaker 1: one he is not, has been determined. So now they're
Speaker 1: going to have a court appointed lawyer for him. Also
Speaker 1: a big point the court was making the judge at
Speaker 1: the time, again, this was all virtual, kind of bizarre.
Speaker 1: He's sitting in there in a room by himself, in
Speaker 1: a virtual box on a screen like a zoom that
Speaker 1: we've all been in, and here he is in a
Speaker 1: flag jacket, sleeveless, white concrete wall. I think were the
Speaker 1: only words he said. I think was his name During
Speaker 1: the hearing, he asked to state your name, and that
Speaker 1: was it. But he did not show an ounce of
Speaker 1: emotion of anything the entire time when he had to hear.
Speaker 1: We're going to seek the death penalty against you. That's
Speaker 1: the other big highlight. They are going to seek the
Speaker 1: death penalty. Seven charges against him. A protective order for Erica.
Speaker 1: Kirk will get into that and the new details robes.
Speaker 1: He turned himself into his parents, in with his family,
Speaker 1: a family friend and his parents helped turn him in.
Speaker 1: They implied that he was going to kill himself. He
Speaker 1: had planned this shooting for about a week. These are
Speaker 1: just some of the highlights and the text exchanges and robes.
Speaker 1: We are going to read back and forth the full
Speaker 1: text exchange between him and his roommate. On the part
Speaker 1: of the roommate, a lot of people are expressing confusion,
Speaker 1: like why is the roommate seemingly off the hook with
Speaker 1: authorities right now? Like there seemed to be more. They
Speaker 1: came out pretty quickly and said we don't think anybody
Speaker 1: was a part of it, and that they weren't seeking
Speaker 1: any charges. Again, nobody else was under investigation, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people took issue or were a little perplexed.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll let you, the listener, decide what you think when
Speaker 2: we read you these text exchanges. But my takeaway was
Speaker 2: I was imagining what would I do? What would you
Speaker 2: do if the person you loved suddenly dropped this bomb,
Speaker 2: this unthinkable bomb on you? And you can even see
Speaker 2: in the text he has all these question marks and
Speaker 2: exclamation points like are you serious?
Speaker 3: Are you joking? It seemed so.
Speaker 2: Out of character, obviously because he was thrown and didn't
Speaker 2: believe Tyler when he was telling him what he did.
Speaker 2: He actually thought, Hey, I thought, though they caught someone else,
Speaker 2: it isn't you, right, I mean, so I'm trying to
Speaker 2: give him some grace to say, you need a beat
Speaker 2: sometimes to actually like process the fact that this person
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship with, this person you love, is
Speaker 2: now telling you that they did some horrific, heinous thing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a tough thing to process. So I
Speaker 2: don't know when he finally talked to police. I don't
Speaker 2: know when he finally showed them everything, but he certainly
Speaker 2: is cooperating. He's certainly giving them all the evidence they
Speaker 2: need to convict this guy for sure.
Speaker 3: So look, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Does he need to be punished because he took a
Speaker 2: beat because he maybe I don't know how long it
Speaker 2: took for him to come forward and to show what
Speaker 2: he had, the evidence he had, but he had a
Speaker 2: lot of it and he has given it up, And
Speaker 2: so I just think we shouldn't be so quick to pounce.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm talking about that. Like trained and career
Speaker 1: FBI and law folks were on TV saying, well, you
Speaker 1: would never come out and say we're not looking for anybody.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't declare that you wouldn't know that already. There's
Speaker 1: no way. Now people have their criticism of the investigation
Speaker 1: and how it's been handled by Cash Bettel. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna go.
Speaker 3: That's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 1: It is what a day that was for him as well.
Speaker 1: But you remember we both said, wait a minute, what
Speaker 1: is that about when the first detail, when the early
Speaker 1: detail said he has a roommate who is a male
Speaker 1: transitioning to female, and we are investigating what role that
Speaker 1: might have could have played in this killing. We heard
Speaker 1: the governor say that on Sunday, and we.
Speaker 3: All equate, Wait, what's going on?
Speaker 1: So it is it possible that his relationship or some
Speaker 1: way I guess they're suggesting that is that what quote
Speaker 1: unquote radicalized him.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it did seem as though from what we've
Speaker 2: heard his mom talk about the fact that he became
Speaker 2: more political, that he became more pro gay, pro trans rights,
Speaker 2: that that could have played a role. I mean, that
Speaker 2: is a jump that I don't think is out of turn.
Speaker 2: I think that that is a logical progression potentially as
Speaker 2: to where his mind was.
Speaker 3: We still don't have a motive, but just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of insight we heard from his mom or reportedly that
Speaker 2: his mom told investigators that, yes, he had really been
Speaker 2: talking more and more about gay rights about trans rights.
Speaker 3: So could that have played a role. It seems like
Speaker 3: it could have.
Speaker 1: So here is the text exchange. This is the full
Speaker 1: text exchange that they did release today. The prosecutors in
Speaker 1: this case, they had a press conference about an hour
Speaker 1: or so before the actual hearing to just update everybody
Speaker 1: and put out some more information. Now, I which one
Speaker 1: you want to take here ropes? We're just going to
Speaker 1: do the back end forth.
Speaker 2: Well that's fine. I can be Robinson, you can be roommate,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: You start at the top there would drop what you're
Speaker 1: doing right at the top, and then I'll pick up
Speaker 1: from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Tyler Robinson's roommate received a text message from him
Speaker 2: which said, drop what you were doing, look under my keyboard.
Speaker 1: So after that, apparently the roommate did look under the
Speaker 1: keyboard and found a note. In that note allegedly said
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it now. The roommate, according to authorities,
Speaker 1: did read that note and after reading the note text
Speaker 1: it back to Robinson. Saying, what you're joking right? And
Speaker 1: that had a bunch of question.
Speaker 2: Marks, And I think that was really interesting, all the
Speaker 2: question marks, just because.
Speaker 3: That's how young.
Speaker 2: You're, right, I write like that, but a lot of
Speaker 2: young folks write like that, just really feigning kind of
Speaker 2: disdain or like, wait.
Speaker 1: What you're emphasizing?
Speaker 3: Joke? This is?
Speaker 2: Are you actually out of your mind kidding me? How
Speaker 2: many question marks is that? I can't even count?
Speaker 3: Like ten?
Speaker 2: At least at least I was gonna say a dozen.
Speaker 2: Maybe what you're joking right? Robinson texts, I am still okay,
Speaker 2: my love, but am stuck in orum for a little
Speaker 2: while longer yet shouldn't be long until I can come home.
Speaker 2: But I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest,
Speaker 2: I had hoped to keep this secret till I died
Speaker 2: of old age.
Speaker 3: I am sorry to involve you.
Speaker 1: The roommate responds, you weren't the one who did it
Speaker 1: right with four question marks at the end.
Speaker 3: Robinson replies, I am, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The roommate says to that, I thought they caught the person.
Speaker 2: Robinson says, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then
Speaker 2: interrogated someone in similar clothing I had planned to grab
Speaker 2: my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most
Speaker 2: of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet,
Speaker 2: almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle linger.
Speaker 1: Then the roommate questions why, and I guess after Robinson
Speaker 1: was kind of describing trying to get out. He was
Speaker 1: describing like creeping around, trying to find a way out.
Speaker 1: The roommate then goes back to asking like es simply.
Speaker 3: Why, right, and then Robinson has to qualify and says,
Speaker 3: why did I do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is the response, and the roommate just simply said yeah.
Speaker 1: And again we have these details they're giving. They released
Speaker 1: every back and forth.
Speaker 2: This is fascinating, and so yes, we say we don't
Speaker 2: know motive. Here's the motive people right here, his lover,
Speaker 2: his partner, his significant other. His roommate asks him why,
Speaker 2: and this is what Robinson says. I had enough of
Speaker 2: his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I
Speaker 2: am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have
Speaker 2: left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again,
Speaker 2: and hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything
Speaker 2: about them finding it. So he's monitoring the news in
Speaker 2: real time as he's trying to get the evidence.
Speaker 1: And get out defense attorney's up against this business. One
Speaker 1: wild the roommate to that I guess confession and motive
Speaker 1: via text. Allegedly, the roommate responds, how long have you
Speaker 1: been planning this?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: I mean we are really getting fascinating information here, Robinson replies,
Speaker 2: a bit over a week.
Speaker 3: I believe I can get close to it, but there's
Speaker 3: a squad car parked right by it.
Speaker 2: I think they already swept that spot, but I don't
Speaker 2: want to chance it. He then says, I'm wishing I
Speaker 2: had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I
Speaker 2: got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man
Speaker 2: would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it had a serial number, but it
Speaker 2: wouldn't trace to me.
Speaker 3: I worry about Prince.
Speaker 2: I had to leave it in a bush where I
Speaker 2: changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring
Speaker 2: it with I might have to abandon it and hope
Speaker 2: they don't find prints. How the f will I explain
Speaker 2: losing it to my old man.
Speaker 3: Only thing I.
Speaker 2: Left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how
Speaker 2: I was engraving bullets. F The FN messages are mostly
Speaker 2: a big meme. If I see notices bulge UWU on
Speaker 2: Fox News, I might have a stroke. All Right, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to leave it. That really effing sucks.
Speaker 3: Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that was a two thousand dollars scope.
Speaker 3: Can we stop for just this moment? This was so.
Speaker 2: Bizarre and fascinating and creepy all at the same time.
Speaker 2: He's worried about his dad being upset about his grandpa's rifle,
Speaker 2: he's excited about Fox News talking about his engraved bullets.
Speaker 3: I mean joke, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: It was a joke to him. He sounded like a
Speaker 1: young person who was caught up in in what this is.
Speaker 1: He but robes to your point, so many things we
Speaker 1: wondered about and questioned. He's giving us an answer and
Speaker 1: a play by play for everything. And if these are
Speaker 1: actually and sane, we have no reason to think they're
Speaker 1: not accurate. But he is giving a bizarre play by play.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you start with a defense.
Speaker 2: This is mind blowing. That we're getting this kind of insight.
Speaker 3: And this is.
Speaker 2: Thankfully because of his roommate, his partner, that he gave
Speaker 2: this and turned this over. I mean, I'm sure they
Speaker 2: would have found it. I mean, who texts this?
Speaker 3: Also, like, what are you you know?
Speaker 2: Somebody just committed a pre planned murder? Why in God's
Speaker 2: name would you detail everything you did, why you did it,
Speaker 2: how you were doing it, what you were thinking in
Speaker 2: real time as you were doing it. This like this,
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this. So to that point,
Speaker 2: the next thing Tyler Robinson texts to his roommate is
Speaker 2: delete this exchange.
Speaker 3: Of course he did not.
Speaker 2: Then Robinson goes on to just say this, my dad
Speaker 2: wants photos of the rifle.
Speaker 3: He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what.
Speaker 2: The Feds released a photo of the rifle and it
Speaker 2: is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Then he says this, since Trump got into office, my
Speaker 2: dad has been pretty die hard.
Speaker 3: Maga.
Speaker 2: Then the next text, I'm going to turn myself in willingly.
Speaker 2: One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
Speaker 2: Then he texts again, you are all I worry about.
Speaker 1: Love and This is interesting. The last one that was
Speaker 1: released from the roommate after that, saying, I'm much more
Speaker 1: worried about you.
Speaker 3: But that's all he said. I mean, imagine processing everything
Speaker 3: that he just said to him. That had to be
Speaker 3: I can't even.
Speaker 2: Imagine what the word is to describe what that would
Speaker 2: have been like. But then Robinson, this is his final
Speaker 2: text to his roommate, to his partner. Don't talk to
Speaker 2: the media. Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments.
Speaker 2: If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and
Speaker 2: stay silent. Don't take any interviews or make any comments.
Speaker 2: If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and
Speaker 2: stay silent. So he's just repeating himself, just begging now
Speaker 2: at this point for him not to come forward and
Speaker 2: to not say what he knows.
Speaker 1: It's because he's twenty eighty two. He just shot and
Speaker 1: executed a man in front of the world, and he's
Speaker 1: worried about what his dad and grandpa are gonna be
Speaker 1: upset about the gun like he sounds like that's very
Speaker 1: much a kid's mindset. It's almost like he doesn't understand
Speaker 1: the gravity of what he just did.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that too. And it was
Speaker 2: just more like, hey, I did what I had to do,
Speaker 2: and now I've just got to just got to clean
Speaker 2: up a few things. And I wanted to keep this
Speaker 2: with me till I'm old. But sorry to involve you
Speaker 2: not recognizing what you say we had just done.
Speaker 1: You say we become desensitized so often to things because
Speaker 1: we hear the same speech, or we see so much violence.
Speaker 1: He seems to have no that it doesn't register at all,
Speaker 1: that the loss of human life and that he took it.
Speaker 1: I can imagine taking a human life life and not
Speaker 1: having a profound and immediate impact on me and just
Speaker 1: to go about texting and being normal. And this is incredible.
Speaker 1: But we do want to tell you. Stay here, we'll
Speaker 1: tell you exactly what the charges are against him, why
Speaker 1: the judge is in particular concerned about the public defender
Speaker 1: that the defendant is going to get, and why Erica
Speaker 1: Kirk's name came up today in the hearing. We continue now.
Speaker 1: The suspect and the charge the Kirk assassination, made his
Speaker 1: first court appearance today just a matter of hours ago.
Speaker 1: In romes we did here. There are not one, not two,
Speaker 1: nine three, There are seven counts against him, and they
Speaker 1: talk about these aggravating factors. But the first one, I
Speaker 1: guess is the big one, right, aggravated murder, and this
Speaker 1: is the one that possibly comes with a death penalty.
Speaker 1: He's convicted on this one fell only discharge of a firearm,
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice, a couple of counts of that, witnessed
Speaker 1: tampering a couple of counts of that, and also commission
Speaker 1: of a violent offense in the presence of a child.
Speaker 1: They add these aggravating factors which make essentially your sentencing
Speaker 1: potential worse. But the aggravating factors include the defendant targeting
Speaker 1: Kirk because of his political expression and also committing an
Speaker 1: act like this in the presence of a child, in
Speaker 1: the presence of a miner who you knew would witness
Speaker 1: the homicide. So those are aggravating factors. But he's facing
Speaker 1: seven counts. He's absolutely facing life in prison. But Robes
Speaker 1: he is facing. We knew this because ahead of time,
Speaker 1: because the governor was saying it, but they did it
Speaker 1: a short time before the hearing. They made it official
Speaker 1: that they're going after the death building.
Speaker 2: Oh, they made it clear from the onset, and that
Speaker 2: was when we heard that his family ended up turning
Speaker 2: him in and helping him turn himself in. I was
Speaker 2: really shaken thinking about it from the parent's perspective of
Speaker 2: knowing when they turned their son in, they knew he
Speaker 2: would most certainly be facing the death penalty, and if
Speaker 2: they believed he did it, they would literally be handing
Speaker 2: their son over to die, and just imagining what that
Speaker 2: would be like as a parent, regardless of just how
Speaker 2: heinous the crime was that your son committed, just to
Speaker 2: know you still love your son, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: he did, and to imagine being in their position, it just.
Speaker 3: It blew my mind.
Speaker 2: So yes, the fact that they're seeking the death penalty
Speaker 2: is no surprise. They made that clear from the on
Speaker 2: set and.
Speaker 1: Even in that moment where the judge did tell him
Speaker 1: that they said, we're seeking the death penalty. I think
Speaker 1: the prosecutor said it. There was no reaction from him.
Speaker 1: There was just no I mean, I don't expecting to
Speaker 1: break down and crying, but he just almost didn't seem
Speaker 1: like he was there. I've seen people just like there's
Speaker 1: nothing in people's eyes before. I didn't see that. I
Speaker 1: just saw someone who didn't, I don't know, didn't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting. What are you
Speaker 1: supposed to get it? I'm told he's a monster and
Speaker 1: all these things, But I'm so I'm looking trying to
Speaker 1: see something there.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I think it is? I think
Speaker 2: he feels justified, and so yes.
Speaker 1: A man's the only situation to where he did something.
Speaker 2: I think he feels justified, and I think that's how
Speaker 2: he is at peace, because he knew this was a possible,
Speaker 2: if not likely, outcome, that he'd be caught, that he'd
Speaker 2: be sentenced to death, and he feels as though he
Speaker 2: might be a martyr for the cause, a martyr for
Speaker 2: the freedom of being gay, the freedom of being trans,
Speaker 2: the freedom of all of those things that we all want,
Speaker 2: but that maybe and certainly some groups feel oppressed by
Speaker 2: this administration. And so he feels like he took a
Speaker 2: stand for what he believes and that he was willing
Speaker 2: to die for it.
Speaker 3: That is the expression I saw.
Speaker 1: Damn, that's a possibility. Well, the judge did determine he
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the money to afford attorney, so yes,
Speaker 1: they're going to assign one to him. But Robes the judge.
Speaker 1: There was a representative there from the state who was saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're looking for somebody for him, and the judge was
Speaker 1: specific and got into some very technical legales into the weeds,
Speaker 1: but the judge was essentially arguing, whoever you give him
Speaker 1: needs to have a certain type of experience because this
Speaker 1: is a death penalty case and you don't want to
Speaker 1: end up in a position to where you can appeal
Speaker 1: later because he didn't have adequate representation.
Speaker 2: But what about you know what I was thinking of,
Speaker 2: who is the public defender who's defending him and all
Speaker 2: vitriol against Charlie Kirk, but the people who are now
Speaker 2: upset obviously that he's been killed. Does that public defender
Speaker 2: worry about his own safety? Does he need a security detail?
Speaker 3: Because the rhetoric has just blown up, as we've talked
Speaker 3: about on both sides.
Speaker 2: So I just I wonder how safe you would feel
Speaker 2: representing a man who at least half the country hates,
Speaker 2: but probably more than that. And you're in a position
Speaker 2: where there's incoming you say, hates, but.
Speaker 1: There man, there's a segment of the population that would
Speaker 1: take a shot at this guy if they had a chance,
Speaker 1: And that's just there should be nobody. But that's just
Speaker 1: not how it works, but it just in the climate
Speaker 1: we're in. Uh yeah, yeah he was. He was in
Speaker 1: a flag jacket today and there was a vest sitting there,
Speaker 1: but again it was virtual. The next hearing of September
Speaker 1: twenty ninth, we're told that one is going to be
Speaker 1: virtual as well. The prosecutor actually jumped in and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a second, is this going to be a WebEx thing?
Speaker 1: We got to show up and the judge says it'll
Speaker 1: be online again.
Speaker 3: Why was he in a flat jacket?
Speaker 1: So no, I don't know what his movements were going
Speaker 1: in and out, but you wouldn't need one obviously if
Speaker 1: you're inside. But he must have had to been transferred
Speaker 1: in some way to where he was outdoors and felt
Speaker 1: his nice to be protected.
Speaker 2: Obviously saw him and I was thinking, like, was that
Speaker 2: It almost seemed like it was for show, because I
Speaker 2: was like, he obviously doesn't need one. I wouldn't think
Speaker 2: in front of a computer with armed guards around him anyway.
Speaker 3: I just thought that was strange.
Speaker 1: I didn't take that. I didn't look that up anywhere.
Speaker 1: I didn't take that as anything other than a flat jacket.
Speaker 1: He could have been in a protective vest that he
Speaker 1: was wearing. So the only time they would put somebody
Speaker 1: in that is if they know somebody in the public.
Speaker 3: But it's just weird.
Speaker 2: If you knew the world was watching, why you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have him take it off when he was sitting down.
Speaker 3: It just, I don't know, it felt dramatic. Oh yeah, Oh, I.
Speaker 1: See the point you're kind of making. You kind of
Speaker 1: add to the whole. I guess violent imagery, the warlike
Speaker 1: imagery here he is sitting there.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a choice right to leave the
Speaker 3: flack jacket on.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I hadn't thought about it in
Speaker 1: that regard to the way you put it. But they
Speaker 1: The judge also he did grant a protective order on
Speaker 1: behalf of Erica Kirk. He didn't get into the details,
Speaker 1: but I could assume just want to make sure that
Speaker 1: the defendant isn't able to contact or harass or do
Speaker 1: anything to her in anyway, So I thought. The judge
Speaker 1: on a couple of moments he thanked Robinson, thank you
Speaker 1: for being here.
Speaker 3: I thought that was weird. And at the end he
Speaker 3: said that was really weird.
Speaker 1: When he was talking about the next hearing, he said,
Speaker 1: I invite you to join us at that.
Speaker 3: Strange the actual Why was he being so polite?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I guess it was weird. It threw me too. It
Speaker 3: threw me as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just his way he goes about. But I
Speaker 1: invite you to join, you don't. He's not gonna have
Speaker 1: a choice of a.
Speaker 2: May being an inmate who just murdered someone for being present?
Speaker 1: Where is what exact?
Speaker 2: No, I read the same thing you saw it, and
Speaker 2: I I was like, did I just read that correctly?
Speaker 3: I just thought it is weird choice, It's strange, But.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the way this judge goes about things. But
Speaker 1: a couple of last things here robes that I thought
Speaker 1: were significant that jumped out today. Obviously still no motive.
Speaker 3: Technically, we did read the we did read the text.
Speaker 1: They keep saying th us not working on a motive,
Speaker 1: But they say no, but you remember when we saw
Speaker 1: him on the surveillance video, we said, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 1: looked like somebody was limping because he jumped off the building.
Speaker 1: They have a different theory for why he might have
Speaker 1: been limping. They believe he was hiding the long gun
Speaker 1: at times in some of the video down the pan
Speaker 1: Wow leg, wow, that gait. Wow.
Speaker 2: They think possibly, yes, it did look like hemp clearly.
Speaker 2: Now if I think about a rifle being there and
Speaker 2: you not being able to bend your leg, they think.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Also said, his mom and his dad
Speaker 1: immediately recognize him from the photo. We find that out today.
Speaker 1: They I mean, you know your child? You said that,
Speaker 1: you remember you said I couldn't tell who that is.
Speaker 1: I said, but if that were you, I know you,
Speaker 1: and I would.
Speaker 3: You know your child?
Speaker 1: They immediately knew who he was. They talked, both of greed. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's our kid that moment.
Speaker 2: It's got to be awful like worse and worse like
Speaker 2: almost that is worst case scenario. I feel like, not
Speaker 2: only did your son murder someone, but now you know
Speaker 2: that they're going to die, Like it's like a it's
Speaker 2: a double whammy that I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's most tragic, I guess for the children of
Speaker 1: Charlie Kurk, course, his wife and his immediate family and
Speaker 1: his political family. But there are so many tragedies all
Speaker 1: over this story. There are so many tragedies involved, and
Speaker 1: right now we look, we'll talk about the hearings later.
Speaker 1: But we watch some hearings today, some congressional hearings seeing
Speaker 1: cash Bettel. You're terrified about where we are and where
Speaker 1: we're going. That seeing this dude get.
Speaker 2: Shot has now ignited, But it didn't calm us.
Speaker 1: No, are we being kinder to each other and go
Speaker 1: gotta do better?
Speaker 3: A storm that is now just brewing, I fear.
Speaker 1: So please close us out for us. I got Really,
Speaker 1: we have had a long day. It is exhausting. We
Speaker 1: watch the hearings and then watching a lot of this
Speaker 1: and hearing some of the new details. It's just heavy ropes.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: And we said this a lot of times when we've
Speaker 2: been talking about the story in particular. If there is
Speaker 2: any silver lining, if there's any takeaway, it's just for
Speaker 2: us all to be just more accepting. And it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what side of the aisle you're on, because you
Speaker 2: can't think that, you can't think that you're like someone.
Speaker 2: Everyone can't be wrong. Someone has to be willing to
Speaker 2: just accept the.
Speaker 3: Fact that we can agree to disagree. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that can one day be possible. And
Speaker 2: so just yes, for anyone in your life that you
Speaker 2: might not agree with completely.
Speaker 3: If you can just show them some grace, show them
Speaker 3: some love, I think that's the best takeaway we.
Speaker 2: Can have from today and from what has happened.
Speaker 3: So with that, thank you for joining us, thank you
Speaker 3: for listening to us. I maybe roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you very soon.