1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, September the sixteenth, and 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: the suspects when the assassination of Charlie Kirk made his 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: first court appearance today and who we got a bunch 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: of new, interesting, intriguing, and even shocking details about this 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: case today. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: And TJ wrote the the details just keep on coming. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: I'll ask you right now. We'll get into all of it. 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: But is there something that jumped out at you? The 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: hearing went fifteen minutes, and it was virtual. We should 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: say he was not in the physical court. But what 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: jumped out. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: At you today? The text exchanges between Tyler and his 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: they keep calling him his roommate, which maybe they don't 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: know what word to use, but they were in a 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: romantic relationship, so normally you would say boyfriend or girlfriend. 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: It just try out that his significant other is a 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: biological male who was transitioning into a female. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: And I think it's because. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: They don't know what how to what label to give 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: this significant other. They're calling him a roommate, which I 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: think is interesting because if you hear this text exchange, 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: and it's wild, but he calls him my love, my love, 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: and you see this softer human side of a man 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: who now appears to be a monster given what he did, 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: what he planned to do. You really like I have 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: never seen or at least witnessed so much insight into 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: a killer's mind. 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: Within days of the actual murder. 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: The text exchanges that we got to actually good point 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: hear and see today for me were ja DrAk. 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: You're right, he gets to talk to someone he trusted 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: who was very intimate and close to him, and he 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: never thought anybody would hear this before get any more 34 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: insight than that. 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: Yes, And in the text exchange, he told his I'm 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: gonna say significant other his partner to delete it. He 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: was like, delete this, and then I'm sorry, and then 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: he said, don't show this to anyone. Get a lawyer, 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: plead the fifth like, don't tell anyone what I just 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: told you. 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: And your point led to is part of the reason 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: why he's facing a particular charge. So let's get you 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: updated here. Yes, Tyler Robinson, the twenty two year old 44 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: suspecting the killing of Charlie Kirk, did make his first 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: court appearance today. It was a virtual court appearance. He 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: did not enter a plea. This was for them to 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: determine whether or not he would have an attorney, what 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: his representation would be if he was able to afford 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: one he is not, has been determined. So now they're 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: going to have a court appointed lawyer for him. Also 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: a big point the court was making the judge at 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: the time, again, this was all virtual, kind of bizarre. 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: He's sitting in there in a room by himself, in 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: a virtual box on a screen like a zoom that 55 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: we've all been in, and here he is in a 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: flag jacket, sleeveless, white concrete wall. I think were the 57 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: only words he said. I think was his name During 58 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the hearing, he asked to state your name, and that 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: was it. But he did not show an ounce of 60 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: emotion of anything the entire time when he had to hear. 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: We're going to seek the death penalty against you. That's 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: the other big highlight. They are going to seek the 63 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: death penalty. Seven charges against him. A protective order for Erica. 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: Kirk will get into that and the new details robes. 65 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: He turned himself into his parents, in with his family, 66 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: a family friend and his parents helped turn him in. 67 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: They implied that he was going to kill himself. He 68 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: had planned this shooting for about a week. These are 69 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: just some of the highlights and the text exchanges and robes. 70 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: We are going to read back and forth the full 71 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: text exchange between him and his roommate. On the part 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: of the roommate, a lot of people are expressing confusion, 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: like why is the roommate seemingly off the hook with 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: authorities right now? Like there seemed to be more. They 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: came out pretty quickly and said we don't think anybody 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: was a part of it, and that they weren't seeking 77 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: any charges. Again, nobody else was under investigation, and a 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of people took issue or were a little perplexed. 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: Well, look, I don't know. 80 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: We'll let you, the listener, decide what you think when 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: we read you these text exchanges. But my takeaway was 82 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: I was imagining what would I do? What would you 83 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: do if the person you loved suddenly dropped this bomb, 84 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: this unthinkable bomb on you? And you can even see 85 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: in the text he has all these question marks and 86 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: exclamation points like are you serious? 87 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: Are you joking? It seemed so. 88 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: Out of character, obviously because he was thrown and didn't 89 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: believe Tyler when he was telling him what he did. 90 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: He actually thought, Hey, I thought, though they caught someone else, 91 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: it isn't you, right, I mean, so I'm trying to 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: give him some grace to say, you need a beat 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: sometimes to actually like process the fact that this person 94 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: you're in a relationship with, this person you love, is 95 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: now telling you that they did some horrific, heinous thing. 96 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: You know, it's a tough thing to process. So I 97 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: don't know when he finally talked to police. I don't 98 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: know when he finally showed them everything, but he certainly 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: is cooperating. He's certainly giving them all the evidence they 100 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: need to convict this guy for sure. 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: So look, I don't know. 102 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: Does he need to be punished because he took a 103 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: beat because he maybe I don't know how long it 104 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: took for him to come forward and to show what 105 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: he had, the evidence he had, but he had a 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: lot of it and he has given it up, And 107 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: so I just think we shouldn't be so quick to pounce. 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm talking about that. Like trained and career 109 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: FBI and law folks were on TV saying, well, you 110 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: would never come out and say we're not looking for anybody. 111 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: You wouldn't declare that you wouldn't know that already. There's 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: no way. Now people have their criticism of the investigation 113 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: and how it's been handled by Cash Bettel. We're not 114 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: gonna go. 115 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: That's a whole other podcast. 116 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: It is what a day that was for him as well. 117 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: But you remember we both said, wait a minute, what 118 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: is that about when the first detail, when the early 119 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: detail said he has a roommate who is a male 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: transitioning to female, and we are investigating what role that 121 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: might have could have played in this killing. We heard 122 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: the governor say that on Sunday, and we. 123 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: All equate, Wait, what's going on? 124 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: So it is it possible that his relationship or some 125 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: way I guess they're suggesting that is that what quote 126 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: unquote radicalized him. 127 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's it did seem as though from what we've 128 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: heard his mom talk about the fact that he became 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: more political, that he became more pro gay, pro trans rights, 130 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: that that could have played a role. I mean, that 131 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: is a jump that I don't think is out of turn. 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I think that that is a logical progression potentially as 133 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: to where his mind was. 134 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: We still don't have a motive, but just a little bit. 135 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: Of insight we heard from his mom or reportedly that 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: his mom told investigators that, yes, he had really been 137 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: talking more and more about gay rights about trans rights. 138 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: So could that have played a role. It seems like 139 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: it could have. 140 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: So here is the text exchange. This is the full 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: text exchange that they did release today. The prosecutors in 142 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: this case, they had a press conference about an hour 143 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: or so before the actual hearing to just update everybody 144 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: and put out some more information. Now, I which one 145 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: you want to take here ropes? We're just going to 146 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: do the back end forth. 147 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: Well that's fine. I can be Robinson, you can be roommate, 148 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: all right. 149 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: You start at the top there would drop what you're 150 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: doing right at the top, and then I'll pick up 151 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: from there. 152 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 153 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: So Tyler Robinson's roommate received a text message from him 154 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: which said, drop what you were doing, look under my keyboard. 155 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: So after that, apparently the roommate did look under the 156 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: keyboard and found a note. In that note allegedly said 157 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and 158 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to take it now. The roommate, according to authorities, 159 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: did read that note and after reading the note text 160 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: it back to Robinson. Saying, what you're joking right? And 161 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: that had a bunch of question. 162 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: Marks, And I think that was really interesting, all the 163 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,359 Speaker 2: question marks, just because. 164 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: That's how young. 165 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: You're, right, I write like that, but a lot of 166 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: young folks write like that, just really feigning kind of 167 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: disdain or like, wait. 168 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: What you're emphasizing? 169 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: Joke? This is? 170 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: Are you actually out of your mind kidding me? How 171 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: many question marks is that? I can't even count? 172 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: Like ten? 173 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: At least at least I was gonna say a dozen. 174 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: Maybe what you're joking right? Robinson texts, I am still okay, 175 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: my love, but am stuck in orum for a little 176 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: while longer yet shouldn't be long until I can come home. 177 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: But I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, 178 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: I had hoped to keep this secret till I died 179 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: of old age. 180 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: I am sorry to involve you. 181 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: The roommate responds, you weren't the one who did it 182 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: right with four question marks at the end. 183 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: Robinson replies, I am, I'm sorry. 184 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: The roommate says to that, I thought they caught the person. 185 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Robinson says, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then 186 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: interrogated someone in similar clothing I had planned to grab 187 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most 188 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, 189 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle linger. 190 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: Then the roommate questions why, and I guess after Robinson 191 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: was kind of describing trying to get out. He was 192 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: describing like creeping around, trying to find a way out. 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: The roommate then goes back to asking like es simply. 194 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: Why, right, and then Robinson has to qualify and says, 195 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: why did I do it? 196 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? Is the response, and the roommate just simply said yeah. 197 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: And again we have these details they're giving. They released 198 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: every back and forth. 199 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: This is fascinating, and so yes, we say we don't 200 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: know motive. Here's the motive people right here, his lover, 201 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: his partner, his significant other. His roommate asks him why, 202 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: and this is what Robinson says. I had enough of 203 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I 204 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have 205 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again, 206 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: and hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything 207 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: about them finding it. So he's monitoring the news in 208 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: real time as he's trying to get the evidence. 209 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: And get out defense attorney's up against this business. One 210 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: wild the roommate to that I guess confession and motive 211 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: via text. Allegedly, the roommate responds, how long have you 212 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: been planning this? 213 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: Wow? 214 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: I mean we are really getting fascinating information here, Robinson replies, 215 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: a bit over a week. 216 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: I believe I can get close to it, but there's 217 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: a squad car parked right by it. 218 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: I think they already swept that spot, but I don't 219 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: want to chance it. He then says, I'm wishing I 220 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I 221 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man 222 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I 223 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: don't know if it had a serial number, but it 224 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't trace to me. 225 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: I worry about Prince. 226 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: I had to leave it in a bush where I 227 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring 228 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: it with I might have to abandon it and hope 229 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: they don't find prints. How the f will I explain 230 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: losing it to my old man. 231 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: Only thing I. 232 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: Left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how 233 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: I was engraving bullets. F The FN messages are mostly 234 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 2: a big meme. If I see notices bulge UWU on 235 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: Fox News, I might have a stroke. All Right, I'm 236 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: gonna have to leave it. That really effing sucks. 237 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine. 238 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 239 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: I think that was a two thousand dollars scope. 240 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: Can we stop for just this moment? This was so. 241 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: Bizarre and fascinating and creepy all at the same time. 242 00:12:54,520 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: He's worried about his dad being upset about his grandpa's rifle, 243 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: he's excited about Fox News talking about his engraved bullets. 244 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: I mean joke, this is crazy. 245 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: It was a joke to him. He sounded like a 246 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: young person who was caught up in in what this is. 247 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: He but robes to your point, so many things we 248 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: wondered about and questioned. He's giving us an answer and 249 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: a play by play for everything. And if these are 250 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: actually and sane, we have no reason to think they're 251 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: not accurate. But he is giving a bizarre play by play. 252 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how you start with a defense. 253 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: This is mind blowing. That we're getting this kind of insight. 254 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: And this is. 255 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: Thankfully because of his roommate, his partner, that he gave 256 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: this and turned this over. I mean, I'm sure they 257 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: would have found it. I mean, who texts this? 258 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Also, like, what are you you know? 259 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: Somebody just committed a pre planned murder? Why in God's 260 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: name would you detail everything you did, why you did it, 261 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: how you were doing it, what you were thinking in 262 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: real time as you were doing it. This like this, 263 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this. So to that point, 264 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: the next thing Tyler Robinson texts to his roommate is 265 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: delete this exchange. 266 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: Of course he did not. 267 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: Then Robinson goes on to just say this, my dad 268 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: wants photos of the rifle. 269 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what. 270 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: The Feds released a photo of the rifle and it 271 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering. 272 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: Wow. 273 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: Then he says this, since Trump got into office, my 274 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: dad has been pretty die hard. 275 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: Maga. 276 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: Then the next text, I'm going to turn myself in willingly. 277 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. 278 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: Then he texts again, you are all I worry about. 279 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: Love and This is interesting. The last one that was 280 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: released from the roommate after that, saying, I'm much more 281 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: worried about you. 282 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: But that's all he said. I mean, imagine processing everything 283 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: that he just said to him. That had to be 284 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: I can't even. 285 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Imagine what the word is to describe what that would 286 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: have been like. But then Robinson, this is his final 287 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: text to his roommate, to his partner. Don't talk to 288 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: the media. Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments. 289 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and 290 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: stay silent. Don't take any interviews or make any comments. 291 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: If police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and 292 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: stay silent. So he's just repeating himself, just begging now 293 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: at this point for him not to come forward and 294 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: to not say what he knows. 295 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: It's because he's twenty eighty two. He just shot and 296 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: executed a man in front of the world, and he's 297 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: worried about what his dad and grandpa are gonna be 298 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: upset about the gun like he sounds like that's very 299 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: much a kid's mindset. It's almost like he doesn't understand 300 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the gravity of what he just did. 301 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that too. And it was 302 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: just more like, hey, I did what I had to do, 303 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: and now I've just got to just got to clean 304 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: up a few things. And I wanted to keep this 305 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: with me till I'm old. But sorry to involve you 306 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: not recognizing what you say we had just done. 307 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: You say we become desensitized so often to things because 308 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: we hear the same speech, or we see so much violence. 309 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: He seems to have no that it doesn't register at all, 310 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: that the loss of human life and that he took it. 311 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: I can imagine taking a human life life and not 312 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: having a profound and immediate impact on me and just 313 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: to go about texting and being normal. And this is incredible. 314 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: But we do want to tell you. Stay here, we'll 315 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: tell you exactly what the charges are against him, why 316 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: the judge is in particular concerned about the public defender 317 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: that the defendant is going to get, and why Erica 318 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: Kirk's name came up today in the hearing. We continue now. 319 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: The suspect and the charge the Kirk assassination, made his 320 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: first court appearance today just a matter of hours ago. 321 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: In romes we did here. There are not one, not two, 322 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: nine three, There are seven counts against him, and they 323 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: talk about these aggravating factors. But the first one, I 324 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: guess is the big one, right, aggravated murder, and this 325 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: is the one that possibly comes with a death penalty. 326 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: He's convicted on this one fell only discharge of a firearm, 327 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: obstruction of justice, a couple of counts of that, witnessed 328 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: tampering a couple of counts of that, and also commission 329 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: of a violent offense in the presence of a child. 330 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: They add these aggravating factors which make essentially your sentencing 331 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: potential worse. But the aggravating factors include the defendant targeting 332 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: Kirk because of his political expression and also committing an 333 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: act like this in the presence of a child, in 334 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: the presence of a miner who you knew would witness 335 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: the homicide. So those are aggravating factors. But he's facing 336 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: seven counts. He's absolutely facing life in prison. But Robes 337 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: he is facing. We knew this because ahead of time, 338 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: because the governor was saying it, but they did it 339 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: a short time before the hearing. They made it official 340 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: that they're going after the death building. 341 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: Oh, they made it clear from the onset, and that 342 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: was when we heard that his family ended up turning 343 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 2: him in and helping him turn himself in. I was 344 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: really shaken thinking about it from the parent's perspective of 345 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: knowing when they turned their son in, they knew he 346 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: would most certainly be facing the death penalty, and if 347 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: they believed he did it, they would literally be handing 348 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: their son over to die, and just imagining what that 349 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: would be like as a parent, regardless of just how 350 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: heinous the crime was that your son committed, just to 351 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: know you still love your son, it doesn't matter what 352 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: he did, and to imagine being in their position, it just. 353 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: It blew my mind. 354 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: So yes, the fact that they're seeking the death penalty 355 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: is no surprise. They made that clear from the on 356 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: set and. 357 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Even in that moment where the judge did tell him 358 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: that they said, we're seeking the death penalty. I think 359 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: the prosecutor said it. There was no reaction from him. 360 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: There was just no I mean, I don't expecting to 361 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: break down and crying, but he just almost didn't seem 362 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: like he was there. I've seen people just like there's 363 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: nothing in people's eyes before. I didn't see that. I 364 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: just saw someone who didn't, I don't know, didn't get it. 365 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting. What are you 366 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: supposed to get it? I'm told he's a monster and 367 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: all these things, But I'm so I'm looking trying to 368 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: see something there. 369 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: Do you know what I think it is? I think 370 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: he feels justified, and so yes. 371 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: A man's the only situation to where he did something. 372 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: I think he feels justified, and I think that's how 373 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: he is at peace, because he knew this was a possible, 374 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: if not likely, outcome, that he'd be caught, that he'd 375 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: be sentenced to death, and he feels as though he 376 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: might be a martyr for the cause, a martyr for 377 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: the freedom of being gay, the freedom of being trans, 378 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: the freedom of all of those things that we all want, 379 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: but that maybe and certainly some groups feel oppressed by 380 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: this administration. And so he feels like he took a 381 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: stand for what he believes and that he was willing 382 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: to die for it. 383 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 3: That is the expression I saw. 384 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: Damn, that's a possibility. Well, the judge did determine he 385 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the money to afford attorney, so yes, 386 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: they're going to assign one to him. But Robes the judge. 387 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: There was a representative there from the state who was saying, yeah, 388 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: we're looking for somebody for him, and the judge was 389 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: specific and got into some very technical legales into the weeds, 390 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: but the judge was essentially arguing, whoever you give him 391 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: needs to have a certain type of experience because this 392 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: is a death penalty case and you don't want to 393 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: end up in a position to where you can appeal 394 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: later because he didn't have adequate representation. 395 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: But what about you know what I was thinking of, 396 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: who is the public defender who's defending him and all 397 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: vitriol against Charlie Kirk, but the people who are now 398 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: upset obviously that he's been killed. Does that public defender 399 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: worry about his own safety? Does he need a security detail? 400 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: Because the rhetoric has just blown up, as we've talked 401 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 3: about on both sides. 402 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: So I just I wonder how safe you would feel 403 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: representing a man who at least half the country hates, 404 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: but probably more than that. And you're in a position 405 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: where there's incoming you say, hates, but. 406 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: There man, there's a segment of the population that would 407 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: take a shot at this guy if they had a chance, 408 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: And that's just there should be nobody. But that's just 409 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: not how it works, but it just in the climate 410 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: we're in. Uh yeah, yeah he was. He was in 411 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: a flag jacket today and there was a vest sitting there, 412 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: but again it was virtual. The next hearing of September 413 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, we're told that one is going to be 414 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: virtual as well. The prosecutor actually jumped in and I said, hey, 415 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: wait a second, is this going to be a WebEx thing? 416 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: We got to show up and the judge says it'll 417 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: be online again. 418 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: Why was he in a flat jacket? 419 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: So no, I don't know what his movements were going 420 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: in and out, but you wouldn't need one obviously if 421 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: you're inside. But he must have had to been transferred 422 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: in some way to where he was outdoors and felt 423 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: his nice to be protected. 424 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: Obviously saw him and I was thinking, like, was that 425 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: It almost seemed like it was for show, because I 426 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: was like, he obviously doesn't need one. I wouldn't think 427 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: in front of a computer with armed guards around him anyway. 428 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: I just thought that was strange. 429 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: I didn't take that. I didn't look that up anywhere. 430 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: I didn't take that as anything other than a flat jacket. 431 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: He could have been in a protective vest that he 432 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: was wearing. So the only time they would put somebody 433 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: in that is if they know somebody in the public. 434 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: But it's just weird. 435 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: If you knew the world was watching, why you wouldn't 436 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: have him take it off when he was sitting down. 437 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: It just, I don't know, it felt dramatic. Oh yeah, Oh, I. 438 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: See the point you're kind of making. You kind of 439 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: add to the whole. I guess violent imagery, the warlike 440 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: imagery here he is sitting there. 441 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it was a choice right to leave the 442 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 3: flack jacket on. 443 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: I really don't know. I hadn't thought about it in 444 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: that regard to the way you put it. But they 445 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: The judge also he did grant a protective order on 446 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: behalf of Erica Kirk. He didn't get into the details, 447 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: but I could assume just want to make sure that 448 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: the defendant isn't able to contact or harass or do 449 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: anything to her in anyway, So I thought. The judge 450 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: on a couple of moments he thanked Robinson, thank you 451 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: for being here. 452 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: I thought that was weird. And at the end he 453 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: said that was really weird. 454 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: When he was talking about the next hearing, he said, 455 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: I invite you to join us at that. 456 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: Strange the actual Why was he being so polite? 457 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine. 458 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: I guess it was weird. It threw me too. It 459 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: threw me as well. 460 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that's just his way he goes about. But I 461 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: invite you to join, you don't. He's not gonna have 462 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: a choice of a. 463 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: May being an inmate who just murdered someone for being present? 464 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: Where is what exact? 465 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: No, I read the same thing you saw it, and 466 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: I I was like, did I just read that correctly? 467 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 3: I just thought it is weird choice, It's strange, But. 468 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the way this judge goes about things. But 469 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: a couple of last things here robes that I thought 470 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: were significant that jumped out today. Obviously still no motive. 471 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: Technically, we did read the we did read the text. 472 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: They keep saying th us not working on a motive, 473 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: But they say no, but you remember when we saw 474 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: him on the surveillance video, we said, oh, my goodness, 475 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: looked like somebody was limping because he jumped off the building. 476 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: They have a different theory for why he might have 477 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: been limping. They believe he was hiding the long gun 478 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: at times in some of the video down the pan 479 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: Wow leg, wow, that gait. Wow. 480 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: They think possibly, yes, it did look like hemp clearly. 481 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: Now if I think about a rifle being there and 482 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: you not being able to bend your leg, they think. 483 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: That's what happened. Also said, his mom and his dad 484 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: immediately recognize him from the photo. We find that out today. 485 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: They I mean, you know your child? You said that, 486 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: you remember you said I couldn't tell who that is. 487 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: I said, but if that were you, I know you, 488 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: and I would. 489 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: You know your child? 490 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: They immediately knew who he was. They talked, both of greed. Yep, 491 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: that's our kid that moment. 492 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: It's got to be awful like worse and worse like 493 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: almost that is worst case scenario. I feel like, not 494 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: only did your son murder someone, but now you know 495 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: that they're going to die, Like it's like a it's 496 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: a double whammy that I can't even imagine. 497 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: Yes, it's most tragic, I guess for the children of 498 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: Charlie Kurk, course, his wife and his immediate family and 499 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: his political family. But there are so many tragedies all 500 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: over this story. There are so many tragedies involved, and 501 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: right now we look, we'll talk about the hearings later. 502 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: But we watch some hearings today, some congressional hearings seeing 503 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: cash Bettel. You're terrified about where we are and where 504 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: we're going. That seeing this dude get. 505 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 2: Shot has now ignited, But it didn't calm us. 506 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: No, are we being kinder to each other and go 507 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: gotta do better? 508 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: A storm that is now just brewing, I fear. 509 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: So please close us out for us. I got Really, 510 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: we have had a long day. It is exhausting. We 511 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: watch the hearings and then watching a lot of this 512 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: and hearing some of the new details. It's just heavy ropes. 513 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: It is. 514 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: And we said this a lot of times when we've 515 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: been talking about the story in particular. If there is 516 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: any silver lining, if there's any takeaway, it's just for 517 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: us all to be just more accepting. And it doesn't 518 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 2: matter what side of the aisle you're on, because you 519 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: can't think that, you can't think that you're like someone. 520 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 2: Everyone can't be wrong. Someone has to be willing to 521 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: just accept the. 522 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: Fact that we can agree to disagree. But I don't know. 523 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that can one day be possible. And 524 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 2: so just yes, for anyone in your life that you 525 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: might not agree with completely. 526 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: If you can just show them some grace, show them 527 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: some love, I think that's the best takeaway we. 528 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: Can have from today and from what has happened. 529 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: So with that, thank you for joining us, thank you 530 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 3: for listening to us. I maybe roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. 531 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 3: We'll talk to you very soon.