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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You're about to listen to part two of me and

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Speaker 1: my guy George. Uh. Of course, Brandon Goebel and the

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Speaker 1: great Dan Ponham and the Weave guys are going to

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Speaker 1: join me and we'll talk more about where we are

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Speaker 1: this this year, this state of recruiting in college basketball,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to where we start the part two

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Speaker 1: of the discussion. In a second last time I started

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Speaker 1: to inform you about some of our guys. There's another

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Speaker 1: portion to doing kind of the tears system, which again

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Speaker 1: is what we're trying to do. Starters were starters make

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Speaker 1: one things. Rotation guys make something else, bench guys make

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Speaker 1: some else, Freshmen make something else. Right, that's the that's

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Speaker 1: the tea your system. But the idea of it is

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Speaker 1: spreading whatever money you have. If you have fifty thousand,

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, five hundred thousand, million, million, five two million,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's still to me you It's hard to

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Speaker 1: just go after one guy because you become beholden to

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Speaker 1: that one player and if their attitude isn't perfect, if

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Speaker 1: they're not that much better than everybody else, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have inherent jealousy. The other part to it is

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Speaker 1: if you don't build a deep program, you don't allow

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Speaker 1: yourself for a bad evol I mean, if you bring

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Speaker 1: in ten new players, it stands the reason two will

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Speaker 1: be way better than your thought, and two will be

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Speaker 1: far worse than your thought. Right, that's just and if

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Speaker 1: the others, if the other four it was a ten

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Speaker 1: o'ka four, the R six are exactly what you thought,

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Speaker 1: which they're not. They'll be varying levels. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good team. You have a pretty good team.

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Speaker 1: And so my guess is that it's more along the

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Speaker 1: lines of two or three are exactly what you want,

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Speaker 1: two or three are better than you thought, and two

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Speaker 1: or three are not as good as you thought. And

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Speaker 1: then there are some somebody will get hurt, somebody mentally

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Speaker 1: is not all in. But the point to it, and again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it'll work for us, because a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is you're betting on what somebody else

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Speaker 1: has and they don't even really know at this point.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's fascinating the different ways of

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Speaker 1: spreading around some of the same money at some of

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Speaker 1: your same level. Some guys go for one or two

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Speaker 1: players and then everybody else is filler. Some people try

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Speaker 1: and pay everybody the same. Some people try a tier system.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of different ways to do it, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's get back to our discussion with the weave guys.

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Speaker 1: I think I know when so much of this mass

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Speaker 1: move bent slows, what has to happen. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to part two of my interview here with George Dan Poneman,

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Speaker 1: Brandy Goebel and the Old Ballpotcast. I'll tell you when

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Speaker 1: it's gonna change when they shit a guy and then

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Speaker 1: he leaves anyway. When enough of that happens, you're like,

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Speaker 1: what's the point of me in recruiting a freshman. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna sit him for a year. He's gonna leave anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's not worth it, Right, That's when it's gonna change.

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Speaker 1: When you get when you get enough sort of bitterness

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Speaker 1: over the idea that the freshmen are gonna leave, that's

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Speaker 1: when I think it happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's already happening. People just aren't ready

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Speaker 2: to change their ways. Like coaches are creatures of habit.

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Speaker 2: They're not taking big risks I mean when we advise

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Speaker 2: young players who anybody who's not a five star, we

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Speaker 2: advise him and go a level below your highest offer,

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Speaker 2: because if you look at high major rosters, the last

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Speaker 2: three guys in the bench are always freshmen developing and

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Speaker 2: two of them transfer out. Is how do you develop

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Speaker 2: if you're not on the floor. So we're already advising

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Speaker 2: guys based on that reality. It's just going to take

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Speaker 2: some time for the industry to catch up to that

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Speaker 2: party is the reality and DP and I think that's

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Speaker 2: one thing we all do well is teaching them about

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Speaker 2: the long ark of their career. You know, when we're saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: you can go to X y Z school, let's look

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Speaker 3: And I think that's been one of the special values

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Speaker 3: that we do at WEAVE is putting that and implementing

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Speaker 3: that into the players that we do bring in. You know, yes,

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Speaker 3: down and you know, five years from now you're still

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Speaker 3: at that maybe making more, yeah, and have a professional career.

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Speaker 2: We always tell guys and we bring them in, we

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Speaker 2: say we look for fit over profit, right, we want

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Speaker 2: to put in the right fit because long term you

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Speaker 4: Shouldn't the intention?

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Speaker 2: At least to no one s day is four years

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Speaker 2: at the same place, no matter what. Either you outperform

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Speaker 2: at a high major you go to the NBA, or

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Speaker 2: you underperform you transferred down at a mid major. Either

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Speaker 2: you overperform and move up, or you underperform you move down.

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Speaker 2: The four year player is rarely exists anymore. But also

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Speaker 2: I don't see a problem as long as you're not

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Speaker 2: transferring three four times. You transfer once. You do two

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Speaker 2: years at one place, in tiers at another, and we're

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Speaker 2: making sure our guys are taking the right forces where

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Speaker 2: they're going to graduate on time. What's wrong with getting

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Speaker 2: two years at two different places and getting two different

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Speaker 2: two different sets of teammates.

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Speaker 4: But in reality, whether you like it or not, that

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Speaker 2: We put guys in position where they can produce and

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Speaker 2: develop and move up rather than sitting on the bench

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Speaker 2: and watch and end up having to inevitably move down.

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Speaker 1: Melissa, I have one who I want to make it

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Speaker 1: my fourth year here. I want them to make it

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Speaker 1: be for fourth year here. But I get it it's

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Speaker 1: perdue obviously, is kind of the model for getting guys

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Speaker 1: extra year. So here's the question, where are we on

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Speaker 1: a fifth year. Nobody knows if JUCO countcy year doesn't

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Speaker 1: count a year, what that is. But you go back

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Speaker 1: a year ago and we were told, hey, fifth year

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Speaker 1: of eligibility is coming. I haven't heard anything on it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's at some point.

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Speaker 5: We have a bunch of cases. There's a lot of

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Speaker 5: cases that are in appeal right now. So the NCAA

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Speaker 5: goes out and appeals every one of these things that

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Speaker 5: they lost earlier in the summer. There were some losses

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Speaker 5: on the player side, and there was even some commentary

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Speaker 5: going to keep fighting these look we're winning all that

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Speaker 5: that loss can really set some precedent. And so those

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Speaker 5: losses now they're in appeals. I think there's this month,

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Speaker 5: appeal hearings are. I believe PAVIA is included in that

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Speaker 5: but based on those appeals, if those appeals don't win,

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Speaker 5: whole other series of these from happening. The sad part

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Speaker 5: is is that the NCAA spent hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 5: hope is that that, honestly, that these appeals aren't successful

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Speaker 5: so that it puts the pressure on to make some

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Speaker 5: rule changes. And you know, I think again, like I think, Doug,

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Speaker 5: you and I have talked about in the past, that

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Speaker 5: the eventual reality that provides stability is going to be

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Speaker 5: that CBA and a lot of this looking a lot

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Speaker 5: more like European professional sports, and how that looks to

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Speaker 5: everything else. You know, Title nine and all that is.

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Speaker 5: There's a million other things going on, but it's really.

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Speaker 6: The only thing. But don't have a CBA, right, no.

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Speaker 5: No, right, right, But I.

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Speaker 1: Understand, So there's just sore like for people who are

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Speaker 1: listening or watching, just so we're clear. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: think all of us believe that right now college basketball

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Speaker 1: is trending more towards the European model, right right, when

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Speaker 1: you have new team most every year, some guys are

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Speaker 1: but many of them are going to be changed out.

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Speaker 6: Eventually, we'll have some sort of loan system. Right.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to have teams that are you know,

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Speaker 1: sent down, although that would be interesting right where you're

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Speaker 2: Great ratings. One day hopefully we'll have that.

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Speaker 1: That would be Believe our game late last year against

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Speaker 6: But uh.

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Speaker 1: But the problem though is that, Okay, that model doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a CBA, right, doesn't have all the American labor

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Speaker 1: things as people push for, oh they should be employees,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't see a path for them to be

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Speaker 1: right because you have so many different regulations over state employees.

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Speaker 1: Right to hire an assistant coach, I got to go

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Speaker 1: through hoops, you know, unless I do an emergency hire,

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Speaker 1: and I only have so many emergency hires. Otherwise I

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Speaker 1: got to form a fucking committee. You know, I got

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Speaker 1: recruiting a basketball player. And then oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 1: then you're gonna you know, there's other parts to it,

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Speaker 1: but the big thing is at college athletics is a

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Speaker 1: tax free shelter.

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Speaker 6: Right, it's tax exempt.

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Speaker 1: So if you're gonna then pay you know, all of

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We we have the advantage of the United States versus Europe. Right,

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Speaker 5: Like in Europe you have all these different countries and rules,

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Speaker 5: and it's it's impossible to have a CBA in an

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Speaker 5: with when the CBA happens or what happens first? Do

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Speaker 5: we get an employee exempt status? Does that happen before

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Speaker 5: or after a CBA? You know, what is it that

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Speaker 5: that ends up protecting what you're talking about right, which

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Speaker 5: is is there are a lot of other status issues

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Speaker 5: take an entirely different look where it's it's really its

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Speaker 5: own market and it's its own business at that point,

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Speaker 5: and that's what does that look like? You know, whatever

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Speaker 5: it's going to look like, we can't describe right now

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Speaker 5: because it hasn't really been presented on a table yet,

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Speaker 5: but whatever it's going to look like is very different

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Speaker 5: than what it is today because all it is today

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Speaker 5: is a bunch of lawsuits that are just going to

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Speaker 5: we've established it's a market. Markets have rules, and the

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Speaker 5: very first thing that everybody did when they determined it

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Speaker 5: an anti trust situation here in America where we have

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Speaker 2: You're right, right, at your level is different than the

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Speaker 4: And you'd, I would say you were right.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you're going to run into. Okay with that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you do run into the those guys. And here's where

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Speaker 6: Who they're paying for, right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's you're also and I know the word power, Dan,

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Speaker 6: But there is a certain power that coaches still have to.

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Speaker 2: The damn is going to break. And yes, people will

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00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: have to deal with boosters trying to meddle in their program.

439
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 2: And that's your job as a coach to protect your program,

440
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: protect your players and not let them meddle. And yes,

441
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: there's going to be there's always going to be growing pains.

442
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: But this, this ship is moving. It's inevitable. Whether it's

443
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: a year, three years, or ten years. This this is

444
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: heading towards the heading in the direction of professional sports

445
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: and employees and collective bargaining.

446
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,479
Speaker 4: We're going to get there. It's just about how much

447
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 4: we're gonna have to fight to get.

448
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any doubt that collective bartney is coming.

449
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: They don't apparently have to be employees have collective bargaining.

450
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: That's that's what we were told, is that there's a

451
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: there's a way to do it, and I think the

452
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: question is what's the final number? And then look, there's

453
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Speaker 1: other parts to it, right, there's here, here's a question.

454
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 6: Is there any way.

455
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: To stop the five games into the season, kids playing

456
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: well agent pops up in their DM, you know, essentially

457
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: polluting the well in terms of where the kid's head

458
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: is at. Is there any way to prevent that?

459
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: No, because that happens at all levels of sports. Again,

460
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: it's just like you mentioned with the rogue boosters, like

461
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: these are not ideal circumstances. There's always going to be

462
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: poison well, there's always going to be issues, but that's

463
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: not a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Like, Yeah,

464
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: there's always going to be issues, but what you just

465
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: described exist in all levels of pro sports. Every time

466
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: I brought a guy to Europe and they work their

467
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: way up from the Netherlands to Belgium, to France to Spain.

468
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: As soon as they get to a higher level, there's

469
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 2: somebody in their DM, some agent being like, oh your

470
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: agent sub oh your agent scuffract I got you to early.

471
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: There's always going to be opportunists to steer people in

472
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: the wrong direction. And again that's why recruiting for character,

473
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: building a culture, having good relationships with your players is

474
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: so important. To be able to have real conversations with

475
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: your guys about that type of element.

476
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: M George, what's been the most interesting going from the

477
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Speaker 1: coaching side to the representation side. What's the most interesting

478
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 1: thing that you didn't know before this season?

479
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: It's a great question. I think the biggest thing.

480
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: Just the whole uneducated both sides are on the on

481
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: the process and then I ole side. I think that

482
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: is even myself learning being on the other side before that.

483
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: Give me an example of something that people are uneducated on.

484
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: So first it's you know the financial aspect, all right,

485
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 3: what comes with it? You know, what's the breakdown of

486
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 3: when when ex player sides with Green Bay? Okay, what

487
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: all that implies? With everything all right, what NIO is

488
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 3: what is cost of attendance?

489
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: Right?

490
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: Because they hear nil. But there's other factors that get

491
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 3: to that NIO. Money, you know, cost of attendance, you know,

492
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: things like that. So I think that education part of it,

493
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: but also the education of, to be honest, the lack

494
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: of awareness on a coach or staff where they're.

495
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: Like, hey, what player do you have?

496
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: Then they'll they'll okay, send me video right, send me

497
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: this where basically we're doing the recruiting forum and breaking

498
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: down their film forum, which is fine, but it shows

499
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: that some staffs out there aren't doing that extra work

500
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: right now where that's why they're there and then doing

501
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 3: their homework on that player. Yes, we are the middleman.

502
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: We're here to force that player or encourage them to

503
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: go to you know, Green Bay. Now it's up to

504
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: the staff to get that job done. And I've seen

505
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: a lack of the will and want to on the

506
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: coaching side then really you know, with everything on that.

507
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: So I think that's been the biggest eye opener for.

508
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: Me on that that It's it's been very hard because

509
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: I was like, did you watch the film? Even though

510
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: we'll send the film, did you watch it, did you

511
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: dissect it right? And then this? You know, same area,

512
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: but it's just on the athlete side. It's just the

513
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: education part of it. What comes with then now? And

514
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 3: I know, how does this all work? You know, where's

515
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: my fit? Where's my value? Where so many players and

516
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: athletes are so uneducated on that side and they just

517
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 3: see dollar sides and we're trying trying to figure out

518
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: to teach them about the whole process.

519
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 4: That makes sense.

520
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: And if I may see Georgie's praises for a little bit,

521
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: when you coached in college for what twenty years? Well,

522
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: so do you almost say total his first year as

523
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: an agent. I really think George is one of the

524
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: five best agents in this business already. And you know,

525
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: watching someone from coaching division to and Division three level,

526
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, if you guys have been

527
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: at high major their whole career, there used to recruiting

528
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: in a certain way, but this is a totally different landscape.

529
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: But George, having been a utility man assistant all these

530
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: different levels of college basketball, he knows the ins and

531
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: outs of how to recruit juco, how to recruit overseas,

532
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: how to valuate film, how to find fit. I mean,

533
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: he already had that skill set, so now applying that

534
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: to the agent side, George's, you know, one of the

535
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: most dynamic people I've worked with because he's he's done

536
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: it all.

537
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: He's grinded at.

538
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: Every level of college basketball. But to his point, like

539
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people just want us to do their

540
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: jobs for them. They want us to tell them who

541
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: to take, rather than evaluating who's right for their program.

542
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: Brandon, What's uh, what surprised you the most about this,

543
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: this soul transformation in the sport?

544
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's probably you deal with the same

545
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 5: thing and we dealt with it in the past before

546
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 5: in il in a different way. But you know where

547
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 5: some of this advice comes from, you know, for players,

548
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 5: and that's been a really difficult thing now when you

549
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: inject money into this, because you know, there's a lot

550
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 5: of competing interests, there's a lot of bad advice, there's

551
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 5: a lot of feeling of control that you know, some

552
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: some people advisors, whether it's AU coaches, high school coaches,

553
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: family members, you know, whatever. You know, I guess I

554
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: don't know why I was surprised, but I've been a

555
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 5: little surprised at just how effective some of that really

556
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 5: really bad advice has been in gathering and grabbing the

557
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: attention and the buy in of players. And unfortunately, you

558
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 5: just see explosions all over the place where things just

559
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 5: go so horribly wrong because you know, this became this

560
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: is a market, this became a business real fast, right,

561
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: and and so there's a lot of moving parts.

562
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: There's a lot of.

563
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 5: Different rules that are changing every day, and there's contracts.

564
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: I mean, this is real big boy money. This is

565
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 5: the second highest paid league in the world. Now your

566
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 5: league's not even close to what college pays now. And

567
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, all of these people that in

568
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 5: the past they were always like, oh, you should go

569
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: to this school instead of that school because you know whatever. Well,

570
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: now when you inject money into that, that advice becomes

571
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: more dangerous when it's misplaced and not educated, you know,

572
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 5: like Georgia is saying, the lack of education. So it's

573
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 5: been really interesting to see, you know, certain players and

574
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 5: stuff just kind of really lock in and take that advice.

575
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 5: And it makes your head explode because it's like, hey,

576
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: if you were going to the NBA tomorrow, would you

577
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: trust Uncle so and so to handle this school? Why

578
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 5: are you letting uncle so and so deal with this decision. Yeah,

579
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: it's not a fifty million dollar contract, but it's a

580
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 5: very important decision that could really change the path of

581
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: not only your basketball career but your life. You know,

582
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: and I know as a recruiter you deal with that

583
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: when you get the phone call that you're just like,

584
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, I can't believe this is the person

585
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 5: that I'm having to try and convince my question and

586
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 5: certain things like you're oh.

587
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: Boy, Dan real quick.

588
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: To Brandon's point, like that would be another positive of

589
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: collective bargaining or players being able to unionize. In the NBA,

590
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: the NBA doesn't certify us as agents. The Players Association does.

591
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: Their job is to screen agents, make sure we can

592
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: pass a really complex test background checks.

593
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: We take classes every year.

594
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: There's a screening process for NBA agents that's done by

595
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: the Players Union. The NCAA has tried to propose programs

596
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: for certifying agents. But why should the players trust the

597
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: NCAAA telling them who.

598
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: To sign with?

599
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: Right, But so now there's no baer of entry for agents.

600
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: So guys are getting really bad advice from either twenty

601
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: two year old kids who are still in college or

602
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: their uncle.

603
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: Who watches college basketball. Things, you know.

604
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: But I always tell kids in recruiting meetings which other

605
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: agents you can feel free to use it. I say,

606
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: it's like picking a surgeon, right, we are basketball surgeons.

607
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: I've conducted thousands and thousands of heart basketball heart surgeries

608
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: over the last twenty years. I'm as skilled a surgeon

609
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: as it come. And you're gonna take some guy who

610
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: just watched er and he wants to conduct your career surgery.

611
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: Good luck with that.

612
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: We have twenty years of reps, Brandon and George of

613
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: twenty years of reps, and they're taking dudes who made

614
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: a website called themselves in an il agent and they're

615
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: going to totally bomb their career. But it also makes

616
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: this makes this business interesting. I'm sure it's interesting for you, Doug,

617
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: getting from all these Yeah, and.

618
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: Then damn what you going to Doug? What are some

619
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: things like you asked us, like the things you've learned

620
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: as this process that they're out this year dealing with,

621
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, on the recruiting side of.

622
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: The agent side, Like what you know the same kind

623
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 4: of question back.

624
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot uh yeah, with me for

625
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 6: a second, bear with me for a second.

626
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: So the first thing is it is an artificial mark, right,

627
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Like the whole this is what he's worth is an

628
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: artificial market. Now, the more you wait, it's a risky thing, right,

629
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: you can wait and a guy George, you and I

630
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: dealt with the price went up, right a lot of

631
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: these guys though, the ask is so big to start

632
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: that the price eventually will go down and you just

633
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: have to be patient. So I think some of my

634
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: opinion is one year in, but I'd actually like to

635
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. We we didn't necessarily aim

636
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: for it, but we only have two players that have

637
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: representation on our roster, ok, So it's I think we

638
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: feel like that's unique. We felt like we could we

639
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: could get a little bit more bang for our buck

640
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: that way. And frankly, we just didn't have the money

641
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: to spend to get to some of these guys that

642
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: have representation. But there is especially overseas players you need

643
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: you need reps for. So I would rather have a

644
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: kid not than a kid wrapped by somebody who's an idiot.

645
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: And we do have idiots, right, And you know, I

646
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: saw I think the representation side, like, look you got

647
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: to tack on fifteen percent to twenty percent because you

648
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: know that's it's the real take home money that you

649
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: got to kind of figure out what you're what you're

650
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: going to spend. I would say that, and we're trying

651
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: to kind of figure it out as well. You you

652
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: have to have whether it's a theme or you know,

653
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: just a couple of bullet points for coach, what what do.

654
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 6: You want our identity to be?

655
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Speaker 1: Because if you just go out and say, Okay, I

656
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Speaker 1: got money to spend, I'm gonna try and go get

657
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Speaker 1: the best players within that money.

658
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Speaker 6: But you talked about fit DP, it's totally true. Right.

659
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Speaker 1: So for example, for my program, the things I identified

660
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Speaker 1: in the Horizon League that we had to do better, Okay,

661
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: we said we're a nightclub.

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Speaker 6: Twenty one and over. Okay, uh, And then I said,

663
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Speaker 6: I valued character and toughness above all else.

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Speaker 1: Character and toughness because I just didn't think that I

665
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Speaker 1: thought we had good character, but I thought the good character.

666
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Speaker 1: Those guys that were playing at the end of the

667
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: year had great character and they were still playing hard

668
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Speaker 1: at the end, even though for most people that wouldn't

669
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Speaker 1: be allowed to play hard.

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Speaker 6: For that, I valued that and.

671
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Speaker 1: Toughness, because you can't accomplish anything in this sport, especially

672
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: when you're at a load of mid major if you

673
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: don't have and even the high major if you're not

674
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Speaker 1: tougher than hell, because it's hard, it's cold, everybody's trying

675
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: to win, the game's crazy physical, the officiating sucks. Right,

676
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: You got to be mentally and physically fucking tough or

677
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: you can't. It doesn't matter all the plays, all the

678
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: shit you see on oh watch this double gap drive

679
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: and this flare screen, no matter, if the kid's not tough,

680
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So again, you'll see my team this

681
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: year and will look different. We got to figure out

682
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: what we got. We got to figure out how all

683
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Speaker 1: goes together. But all those kids have great character and

684
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: a really tough and I think that there are teams

685
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Speaker 1: that you see that have talent, but it doesn't work

686
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: because sometimes you just get a job and you don't

687
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: really have you don't have a system, you don't have

688
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: a style, you can't identify it, it's too early in

689
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: the process, or it's your first time having money, and

690
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: then you just kind of put pieces together and it's

691
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get them a fit.

692
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Speaker 6: So that's one thing.

693
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Speaker 1: And you see that a lot in football, like I

694
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Speaker 1: think Mile Mounter Oaklama State.

695
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Speaker 6: You know why they spent money this year. Why aren't

696
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 6: they any good?

697
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: Well, because they didn't they had new coaches, they didn't

698
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: know exactly how they wanted to play or while they

699
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: want to look they just want to increase their talent,

700
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Speaker 1: which they did, but they're not a better team.

701
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Speaker 6: Because they have talent, but it doesn't fit together.

702
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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta find ways to save money, and

703
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: you gotta find ways to spend money. And you got

704
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: to be creative in the contracts. You got to be

705
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: creative in the recruiting. You got to separate yourself because

706
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: like otherwise, I'm just another white guy with a logo

707
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: on my shirt. I tell you to come play for me, right,

708
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: what makes you different?

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Speaker 4: You know?

710
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Speaker 1: And obviously what makes me different is I have this

711
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: big platform. What makes me different is there's not a

712
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: gym I go into that people don't know my name.

713
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: That people are paying attention to our program way more

714
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Speaker 1: than anybody at this level and even the upper level,

715
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Speaker 1: mid major level, Like people actually pay attention agreement of

716
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: basketball because they're interested and or maybe they don't like me,

717
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me.

718
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Speaker 6: They're paying some attention to it. So you got to lean.

719
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Speaker 1: Into whatever differentiates you as a program, right, And then

720
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you the other thing I've learned is that

721
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Speaker 1: real recruiting still works. Real recruiting still works because the

722
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Speaker 1: end of the day, you're always going to be in

723
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Speaker 1: the ballpark of somebody that you're in terms of money.

724
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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, you're gonna lose a kid.

725
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Speaker 1: You know, you're at you're at X and somebody comes

726
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Speaker 1: in at two X and there's nothing you can do.

727
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Speaker 1: But if they're at one point five X, you know,

728
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Speaker 1: or even point seven five X. But the kid feels

729
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Speaker 1: a distinct connection with the head coach especially, you're.

730
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Speaker 6: Gonna get that kid. Right. So the idea that recruiting

731
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Speaker 6: is just how much money. Some of it is okay, but.

732
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Speaker 1: You gotta have a you gotta have a little swag

733
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Speaker 1: to you. You gotta have something that differentiates you. You

734
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Speaker 1: gotta be able connect with people. You gotta understand, all, right,

735
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Speaker 1: what's the who's advising him, what does he want?

736
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Speaker 6: And then you also have to be willing to say

737
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Speaker 6: no right that the power of no right.

738
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Speaker 1: It's got to be like, yeah, I love them, but

739
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna work because he got an agent in

740
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Speaker 1: his ear. He's not gonna work because he doesn't really

741
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Speaker 1: want to be here. And I think that you have

742
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Speaker 1: to find guys again. For me, I gotta find guys

743
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Speaker 1: that are smart, tough, want to be together. They're only

744
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: desires to win and understanding that I want them to

745
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Speaker 1: get more money. The best way for them to get

746
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Speaker 1: more money is us to win basketball games. And the

747
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Speaker 1: best way to win basketball games is to do it

748
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Speaker 1: collectively and try and do it our way.

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Speaker 6: If you do that, it will all work together and

750
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Speaker 6: you'll get paid. And they're not. That's not gonna resonate

751
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Speaker 6: with all of them.

752
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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to be willing on certain guys to

754
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Speaker 1: not go like, hey, I could pay more and make

755
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Speaker 1: sure I get him Like yeah, but he didn't really

756
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: want to be here, so he's not here.

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Speaker 6: He's not going to buy in.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't buy in knowing does not work for him,

759
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't work for the rest of the team,

760
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Speaker 1: and it just kills our mojo.

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Speaker 2: Kills you touched on a great point that I think

762
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: there's this fallacy people. You know, I see Twitter trolls

763
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Speaker 2: come at me when I make public statements like, oh,

764
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: you're just a money grubbing agent. You're just selling kids

765
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Speaker 2: to the highest better I would say less than half

766
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: of our guys go to the highest money offer, like matters,

767
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Speaker 2: real relationships matter, and for us, we don't want our

768
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Speaker 2: guy to go.

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Speaker 4: To the highest bidder if he's not going to succeed

770
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Speaker 4: or he's.

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Speaker 2: Not going to be happy, because yeah, we get a

772
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Speaker 2: little bit more money, but now he's calling us all

773
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Speaker 2: year and he's miserable. I'd much rather take less money

774
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Speaker 2: and have a kid being a really good, really happy

775
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: situation and thriving. Like, lives are better when our clients

776
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: and lives are better. Our clients lives are better when

777
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: they play for a coach to have a real relationship

778
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: with in a winning program and a winning culture. So

779
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: most kids don't take at least our kids don't take

780
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Speaker 2: just the highest dollar figure. But to your point, like

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Speaker 2: I think, actually it's funny you should have maybe given

782
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Speaker 2: away that seat.

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Speaker 4: Your your strategy cruiting.

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Speaker 2: Guys who don't have agentsy genius because ultimately, uh, you're

785
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: gon be able to get a lot more value if

786
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: guys don't know what their value is. And that's just

787
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: taking advantage of of of the market. But you know,

788
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Speaker 2: I think the way you just describe recruiting gives me

789
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Speaker 2: confidence that you guys are can have a great year

790
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: this year, because that's how I built my organization. Right

791
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: Like when I brought on George, I could have gone

792
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: to Harvard Law School and hired somebody you know, who

793
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: has this impressive resume whatever, But like I wanted grinders

794
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: who are tough, who are humble, who have compassion, who

795
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: are team players, and we're going.

796
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Speaker 4: To overachieve with people who work together.

797
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Speaker 2: And ultimately, like you just said, if you're taking a

798
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: bunch of guys who just went to the highest bidder,

799
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Speaker 2: you have a bunch.

800
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Speaker 4: Of people are out with themselves.

801
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: If you think want to come together for a greater hole,

802
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna win. And I think I'll give a shout

803
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: out to Eric Oland when he was at UCSD. I

804
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: saw them play a few times last year. They won

805
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 2: with one of the lowest budgets in their league because

806
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: they found they found the right guys who wanted to

807
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: play together and work for something greater than themselves. They

808
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: almost be a tournament And that's how I've tried to

809
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Speaker 2: build my organization. And that's I think you said, the

810
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Speaker 2: power of no, the power of not taking that really

811
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Speaker 2: tantalizingly talented player.

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Speaker 4: Who's not going to be good for your culture. You're

813
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: going much better off without of than with them.

814
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Speaker 1: Well that's the that's the the big thing. And this

815
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Speaker 1: year we don't have any We have no division on transfers.

816
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Speaker 1: And and this is not to cast dispersions that any

817
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: of the ones we had last year, but part of

818
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Speaker 1: the hypotheses or maybe even theory is especially high major kids,

819
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: they're coming coming down to our level. Their ex personal

820
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: expectations is to dominate, right, but they wouldn't be coming

821
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: down to our level if they dominate in college basketball.

822
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Speaker 1: And it takes a very very special kid to be

823
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Speaker 1: humble enough to know, hey, it didn't work at that

824
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: high level and I can eventually make it work here.

825
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: There was there was one or two we went after

826
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Speaker 1: this year we just didn't get. But that they they

827
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Speaker 1: understand that, dude, Horizon Leak's good. It was the nineteenth

828
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Speaker 1: rank league last year. Like it is a good hardcore

829
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: We're well coached, fucking tough and ruggedly and if you

830
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Speaker 1: think you're gonna come in here and just rereck shop

831
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: because you went to a power for school and didn't

832
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Speaker 1: play like you have it.

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Speaker 6: It is crazy. So we wanted kind of that same mentality.

834
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Speaker 1: And by the way, like as much as it sounds

835
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Speaker 1: DP like, you know, like it's a philosophy of not

836
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: getting guys with agents, it just kind of happened that way,

837
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Speaker 1: you know. And then it became guys that we sort

838
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: of leaned into, and we felt like we could we

839
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Speaker 1: could recruit the crap out of it if we got

840
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Speaker 1: in on them early and and and we did things right,

841
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Speaker 1: and we were really prepared for it.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know, it's gonna be fascinating.

843
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask one one last question while

844
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Speaker 1: Brandon falls asleep on us.

845
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Speaker 5: We're here working, buddy, We're here working.

846
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: Plays three kids in juco in the time.

847
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Speaker 5: Since it's not entirely untrue.

848
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Speaker 7: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

849
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Speaker 7: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox

850
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 7: Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: App Give me one guy, who do you think give

852
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: me a juco? Because you're mister Juco. Give me one

853
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: juco and you don't have to jerk me off and

854
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: tell me one of my guys. So give me one

855
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: guy if you're like this guy's going to have a

856
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: really good year at.

857
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 5: A guy in JUCO right now, or a JUKEI guy

858
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 5: wants in Division one in Division one, oh man.

859
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Speaker 4: I got a few. Yeah, well one guy I'm excited about.

860
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: So last year, we.

861
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Speaker 5: Thank you for taking me out of getting in trouble.

862
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Speaker 2: Well, obviously guys are represented by Weaver are all awesome,

863
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: and they're all done overachieved. Of course, are the best

864
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: players in college basketball. But Jeff nwankwot at Oklahoma. He

865
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: was coming out of college Juco two years ago and

866
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: he got injured last year didn't play, so we kind

867
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: of maybe forgot about him.

868
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Speaker 4: But I think he's a potentially future NBA player.

869
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: People forgot about because he had a year out of

870
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: the game, But I think he's going a huge year

871
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: for Oklahoma. It reminds me a little bit of last year.

872
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: I had a client named John Tanja who had trans

873
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: from Colorado State, got injured, sat there at Missouri. People

874
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: forgot about him, and he ended up having an amazing

875
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: year for Wisconsin. I think Jeff could have that type

876
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: of year at Oklahoma. We also have Isaac by the way,

877
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Tanji by the way.

878
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know this. He was in

879
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 6: the freshman B team in high school. Oh wow.

880
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: Team.

881
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Was also on the B team at Evanston Township. So

882
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: we have that.

883
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 6: I think I think your basketball careers went in different directions.

884
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 4: I was really good for the Chicago j c C.

885
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 4: Mccoby team.

886
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 6: I was.

887
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: But the other kid I'll mentioned is Isaac Finlandson. He

888
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: was a year college. He's going to be at Hawaii

889
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: this year.

890
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 5: And Doug, I'm going to tell you one quick story

891
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 5: about Jeff so that it doesn't hurt your heart to

892
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 5: pay attention to a Sooner this year. But Jeff is

893
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 5: jeffs is. He's a great player, he's you know, he's everything.

894
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: But but he's an elite human being. And so we

895
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 5: have this jamboree in Oklahoma in October. You were there.

896
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: You were there, sitting up in the windows. And so

897
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: I see Jeff. He comes to the event and he

898
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 5: wanted to say hi and catch up on whatever. But

899
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 5: he's got this big box with him. I was like,

900
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 5: what is this. It's full of cell phones, it's full

901
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 5: of like new iPhones and I'm like, what are you doing?

902
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 5: And he's like, oh. A couple of the coaches here

903
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: talked about how they had some African players that had

904
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: you know, they've come here to play junior college, but

905
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 5: they don't have any cell phones. I went and bought

906
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: him cell phones, So I'm going to go give them

907
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: to the players. These aren't players he knew. These weren't

908
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 5: even coaches that he played for. Like, he just there's

909
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 5: some kids that are going to be at this event

910
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 5: and they're new here and they don't have phones. So like,

911
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 5: I'm going to go take care of that.

912
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 6: We'll tell you that that's dissimilar experience with an African

913
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 6: player last year.

914
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: But Jeff's an elite, elite, elite human being, and so

915
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 5: I'm super excited to watch him get after it this

916
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: year because I mean, he's he's deserved, he's he's been

917
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: through a lot with George.

918
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: Give me one guy, but it better not be a

919
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: guy I fucking missed because I didn't have enough money.

920
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 3: I think honestly, it's a D two guy Lao Beef

921
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: lo Beef, who, Yeah, you just went out a guy,

922
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: but I just I just that's the one that really

923
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: stands out to me. You know, started at fau went

924
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: Division two just Skyrock, and you got to.

925
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Point out, like we had a kid leave us, uh

926
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: six practices in the summer, and I love the kid, right,

927
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: He's just he's young, he's tough, he's hungry, and he's

928
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: so badly want to play. I don't even I don't

929
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: know how much he'll play this year. I thought he'd played,

930
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: but whatever. He went D two and I'm like, dude,

931
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I go there, great coach, good program, go

932
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: hoop and then if you want to come back up,

933
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: you come back up.

934
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think one too.

935
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 3: And I think there's one that we just that just

936
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: came over and Brendan and DP of Iron is Matisse

937
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: who's at New Haven. Do's the one to keep a

938
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: real eye on that got in late. That's gonna his

939
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: upside is going to be very very special, the one

940
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: to really keep an eye on that we did. We'd

941
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 3: already sent you, so you're.

942
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 6: The film. Thank you.

943
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't have They just just know that means

944
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 5: that we value you to where we share all these

945
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: guys with you. We know you can't take them all.

946
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 4: I think so so so so DP.

947
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 6: You guys did Ireland England? Right? One are the other?

948
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: Like is there's got to be a player in India.

949
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: We actually there's a kid where to guys, where to God?

950
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: There's a kid and Iran and we just there's no

951
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: way to get emligible.

952
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 6: There's just none.

953
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: And you know Jerry Smith who's my assistant coach, he

954
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: played eleven years overseas, uh until last year or whatever,

955
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: and he a former Louisville teammate of his played in Iran.

956
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: It's like the best young player in Iran. There's also

957
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: there's China. You guys sent us the kid and.

958
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 6: I don't know what happened.

959
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: We still going through it.

960
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: We got ghosted on that one, right, No, there is

961
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: there a player in every country, Like are you guys.

962
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 6: Gonna go to India? Yeah, I mean that's in in

963
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 6: South Saudi Arabia And that's.

964
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 5: What we've always done. Like that's how Dan and I

965
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: got into this. Really on the international side of things

966
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 5: was as I was helping place players in junior college,

967
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: I got a random text, melage message or a DM

968
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: from Matt McCallister who said, Hey, I'm the Tanzanian national

969
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: team coach and I said, well, there isn't one. He said,

970
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: I know, we're building it. You know, he's coached in

971
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 5: high school in Minnesota, and he said, hey, uh, you know,

972
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: I'd like to get some of these kids to college.

973
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 5: Do you guys want to come to Tanzania, me and

974
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: Dan and run a camp? And we said, sure, guy

975
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 5: from the internet that we don't know, We'll fly to

976
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: Dara Salam, Tanzanian run this camp. And the first time

977
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 5: we ever met the guy was in Dara Salaam and

978
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: that's where, you know, we found a tiki. But that's

979
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: really you know, that's the juice behind this stuff, is

980
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 5: being able to really like it's called undiscovered for a reason. Right.

981
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 5: You know, we've gone to Trinidad Tobago and found a

982
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 5: player from Saint Lucia that's a country of one hundred

983
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: and forty thousand people, right that is now playing at

984
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 5: Western Kentucky. You know, we we go and find players

985
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 5: that have never played before. You and I've talked about

986
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: the Gideon George story. Gideon never played organized basketball before.

987
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 5: So I really do believe you can go just about

988
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 5: anywhere and if you dig hard enough, you're gonna find

989
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna find something cool, you know, And that's that's

990
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 5: the really exciting part about this what we do.

991
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: And speaking of Iran, we represent the best Iranian college

992
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: basketball player, Parsifala, who is.

993
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: And he has younger brother is really good.

994
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: Who again, it's going to be challenging to get over

995
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: with you know, current immigration issues, but I mean Parson

996
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: was hard enough to get over here.

997
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, we have a number of countries.

998
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: Where there's like one college basketball player from that country

999
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: and we represent and we love finding guys in uncharted territory.

1000
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: We I do have an idea for our next most

1001
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: ridiculous adventure yet where we're doing a camp next summer,

1002
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: but it's I guess I will. No one else is

1003
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: going to do it. We're the only but we had

1004
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: an in Fiji. We want to find Tonga and Samoa

1005
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: because they're traditionally good football players.

1006
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got to be one.

1007
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: He's gotta be.

1008
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: One six six undersized power forward in Tonga. Somewhere we

1009
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: could find and bring over.

1010
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 6: Well, your boy went to Duke was half Samoan.

1011
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: Right, Jabarry Parker is half Tongan, and that was part

1012
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: of what gave me the idea Tongans have this incredible

1013
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: history in the NFL, but really is basketball players. But

1014
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: I think, you know, uh, we'll find something to repurpose

1015
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: if we can pull it all well.

1016
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: Troy Paul Mulu is a close personal friend of mine

1017
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: and I coached his son, Fatius h Fasius wants to

1018
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: be a college basketball player, but he will be a

1019
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame football player.

1020
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 6: I believe whatever.

1021
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: And uh yes, so I mean there's there's now he's

1022
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: half Samoe and half black and just an absolute stud

1023
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: and a stud kid.

1024
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 6: He's amazing.

1025
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: But there there's definitely gonna be one there. By the way,

1026
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I would love to listen if you need. I will

1027
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: scout the Fiji one.

1028
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 6: If I can.

1029
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: D can you get it so that any coach that

1030
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: cans recruit they get one of those huts that's over

1031
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: the water. If you guys like walk out of your

1032
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: hut and you hop in the water and the water's

1033
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: like crystal clue, blue clear.

1034
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 4: Do you all arranged?

1035
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: Maybe Troy wants to come and sponsor the camp, but uh,

1036
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean they.

1037
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: Get the undiscovered camps.

1038
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: Like it speaks to like why we do this, Like

1039
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: a lot of it I just saw, you know, money

1040
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: in college basketball and jumped in the space. We've been

1041
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: doing this. I've been doing since I'm fourteen. We do

1042
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: because we freaking love it. So yeah, we got to

1043
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: We went to Ireland and ran a camp and we

1044
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: mentioned a kid. We just placed it in New Haven.

1045
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: Some kids replaced it. D Two's and Juco's. We're not

1046
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 2: making money on these guys. We're doing it because it's

1047
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: fun to find up and and you know, a kid

1048
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: thinks his future is going one way, and then Brandon

1049
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: Doble shows up and next thing you know, he's a

1050
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: week later on the US college campus on a full scholarship.

1051
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: It's still I feel like we had we had uh

1052
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: Lukashi in Tadorvich. He just touched down last night, right

1053
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: and he facetimes me from uh from Chicago as he's

1054
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: getting ready to go to Green Bay, and he's like

1055
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: tears in his eyes. He's just smile ear to I

1056
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm actually in America and get to play

1057
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: college basketball.

1058
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: Get kind of cold.

1059
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 6: January Moore.

1060
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 5: You know, they have tears in their eyes when they

1061
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 5: call me because they land in Dallas. They land and whatever,

1062
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 5: but then the car is going to you know whatever

1063
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 5: town next to an oil rig and they're like, oh

1064
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: my god, I can't believe this way. Get ready for.

1065
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: Good backpack and they're just as yeah.

1066
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, guys, I love catching up.

1067
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 6: This is awesome. DP. You gotta go some uh some money.

1068
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: Obviously, Brandon's in need of a nap and George is

1069
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: probably gonna be.

1070
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 6: Sending guys that I shouldn't have taken.

1071
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: I should have taken and yet I did not, and

1072
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: I wish I had a spot for You're the best.

1073
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

1074
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 5: Thanks to be good buddy.

1075
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it for the All Ball Podcast. Cannot

1076
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: thank my guys from the weave up. Thank you so

1077
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: much for listening. You're set to download, subscribe, rate, review,

1078
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: tell your friends about this podcast, which we're back after

1079
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: back recording him and pump him out out on a

1080
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: more regular basis. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieve.

1081
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