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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: All right, today we're joined on the Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: for a very special episode Ariel. Welcome. Hi. You have

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Speaker 1: been doing the rounds here recently. You've been talking about

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Speaker 1: this show a lot. Are you sick of it yet?

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Speaker 1: I could never get sick of talking about the show.

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Speaker 1: That's not true, I promise you that's not true. I

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Speaker 1: think it's nice to be able to talk about the experience,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like from each conversation you get a

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Speaker 1: different take from different people and they ask different questions.

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Speaker 1: So it hasn't become redundant for me yet, but maybe

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Speaker 1: one day I'll get tired of it. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is a cool experience. And I will say, as

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Speaker 1: I was prepping for this, you have you have an

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Speaker 1: experience that not everybody can can relate with that came

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Speaker 1: You pretty much personally came out, in my opinion, and unscathed.

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Speaker 1: Like nobody is hating on Ariio. Everybody loves Ariel. How

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Speaker 1: does that feel? I think there will always these some haters,

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Speaker 1: some okay majority. I was given amazing advice kind of

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Speaker 1: in I kind of didn't know what to anticipate, and

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Speaker 1: everything that I might have anticipated was very different once

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Speaker 1: I was actually in there. So I was given great

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Speaker 1: advice on how to handle everything once because there's this

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Speaker 1: interim period of we kind of leave. I left Thailand

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Speaker 1: and then for a long time, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: anything's going to look like, what's going to play back,

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Speaker 1: what the episodes are going to be like. So someone

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Speaker 1: told me that no matter what people say, I have

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Speaker 1: to keep being authentically myself and sticking true to what

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Speaker 1: I know of myself. So even if people are praising you,

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Speaker 1: if they're saying really nice things, don't take that to heart.

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Speaker 1: But also then don't take the insults too much to

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Speaker 1: heart either. So I feel like there's always something negative

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Speaker 1: that people can say to me. There's always something that

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Speaker 1: can be said in any capacity, But of putting so

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Speaker 1: much weight on the compliments, I'm also not going to

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Speaker 1: put so much weight there, so I won't put weight

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Speaker 1: on the negative commentary. So I appreciate what everyone's saying.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's been so sweet, so nice, and like, I love

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Speaker 1: how people have been reaching out like individually, even through

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Speaker 1: like social media and stuff, and even a Nashville I

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Speaker 1: run into people on the street and they had such

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Speaker 1: kind things to say. But I try to like still

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Speaker 1: stay true to myself, so even if I hear insults

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Speaker 1: or hear someone say something, because people will always, no

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Speaker 1: matter who you are, have something negative to say. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like I try to ignore that and keep

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Speaker 1: being myself no matter like what people say, not trying

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Speaker 1: to shift that. Who gave you this advice a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine that I'm actually well traveling? Oh really, So

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Speaker 1: like they weren't somebody from the show No No, But

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Speaker 1: when they told you this, it just felt like, No,

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Speaker 1: I needed this reminder. It wasn't someone I was super

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Speaker 1: close to. But they said. Let's say someone says that

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Speaker 1: I'm unintelligent, for example, and I'll be trying to prove

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Speaker 1: that person wrong instead of just being intelligent. So whatever

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Speaker 1: the insult or anything is, you're always going to be

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Speaker 1: trying to disprove what people say. So it's better to

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Speaker 1: actually just be yourself because then that way, even the

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Speaker 1: compliments will actually ring true and the insults won't. So

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Speaker 1: it's better to do that than to try to combat

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Speaker 1: what people are saying online and I try to honestly

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Speaker 1: only filter in the positive commentary for the most part.

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Speaker 1: You know, the other thing that happens. It feels like

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Speaker 1: when you're saying this, you wouldn't lose yourself, which is

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Speaker 1: so easy to happen in this experience. Right, you're in

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Speaker 1: it right now. But you went from zero to one hundred, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean a year ago you weren't getting recognized in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: many different factors that can cause you to lose who

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Speaker 1: you are and years later you look back and say,

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Speaker 1: what happened? What was all this about? Yeah? Definitely, And

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that I was being authentic

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Speaker 1: when you can, well, I want to talk about who

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Speaker 1: you are as a person. This is an in depth

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Speaker 1: episode with Ariel. I was Ariel, right, that's how you

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Speaker 1: say it, Ariel. Okay. So there's like a longer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna do that correctly seventy five

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Speaker 1: it's going to be right. But these are most listened

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Speaker 1: to episodes here at the Almost Famous Podcast because I

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Speaker 1: and who they are seeing on television. So let's start

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Speaker 1: at the beginning before or not at the beginning necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but who were you before this show? What was your job?

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Speaker 1: What were your hobbies? What are your friend group like?

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Speaker 1: Give us a little insight. Should I start for the beginning?

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Speaker 1: I started my college days whenever it feels like it

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Speaker 1: matters the most. Well. I grew up in New York.

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Speaker 1: After New York, I moved to DC for school. I

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Speaker 1: close relationships with people in high school, like typical bully story.

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Speaker 1: But I really made like my lifelong, like forever kind

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Speaker 1: outside of that. And then I graduated college and actually

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Speaker 1: a lot in two years. I then worked in hospitality.

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Speaker 1: I've kind of switched around a lot of different jobs.

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Speaker 1: I most recently was working for The Financial Times, and

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Speaker 1: then I switched to freelance marketing. So I basically now

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Speaker 1: work with brands, building brands up, doing all the marketing

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Speaker 1: So uh, and it's it's a question that so many

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Speaker 1: So I now work in freelance. I'm going to keep

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Speaker 1: I've learned. I've worked since I was sixteen years old.

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Speaker 1: I over the summer. Was intered at the first time

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Speaker 1: So then, now, do you feel like your experience on

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Speaker 1: But now you're seeing the you know, the backside of

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Speaker 1: it's going to help in this next chapter? I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily think so's it can hurt and depending on the

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Speaker 1: You carried yourself tremendously on the show, and you stayed

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Speaker 1: authentic to who you are. I think that's a big

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Speaker 1: did my research correctly, your national Ellie is Ukrainian. Correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm Ukrainian Jewish. Ukrainian Jewish. You grew up in New

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Speaker 1: you are a world traveler. Also, you do enjoy travel.

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Speaker 1: I mean least we got this sense that you're adventurous.

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Speaker 1: You're One of your final dates was Zach was eating

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Speaker 1: see somebody respect culture in different people's lifestyles like you did.

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Speaker 1: see on television. Well, I want to dive into your

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Speaker 1: in Zach was this already something or in somebody that

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Speaker 1: of our relationships in different ways, and I just didn't

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00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: like the way anything was handled. What were your emotions

435
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: watching it? Were you angry? Were you sad? I went

436
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: through a wave of a lot of different emotions. I

437
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: was very confused, and then I was really sad watching

438
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: it and seeing that even when you see kind of

439
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: us parting and me saying goodbye to Zack and all

440
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: these things, I felt like it quickly shifted to another topic.

441
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: So it was really sad to see that my relationship

442
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: was kind of overshadowed by a single week and a

443
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: single experience. And yes, things are really poorly handled, but

444
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: I felt like there was so much like kind of

445
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: beauty in that relationship and we had gotten so close

446
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: at that point, and I didn't like how everything was

447
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: position and so I thought that was really difficult to

448
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: see and difficult to watch. And then I was angry

449
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: as well in terms of the whole week being centered

450
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: around sex and how things that should have been private

451
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: were publicized. So I was also angry for my friends

452
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: that I was angry for myself, and then I was

453
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: sadness kind of Again, It's tough because we got to

454
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: walk a thin line here between being judgmental and critical

455
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: but also understanding. You know that we have been able

456
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: now to look back on this moment, and there was

457
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of complexity in this moment because

458
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: I really do believe Zach thought he was doing the

459
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: right thing, like I really and I think his intentions

460
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: were really good. I think he meant well by it.

461
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: But I think all of us could see watching it

462
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: and preparing for especially those who have been on the

463
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: show before, that hey, this is going to be really

464
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: hard to navigate, Like you are making statements early on

465
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: that you don't know if you're gonna be able to

466
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: keep so for you, but I can I can say

467
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: that and judge that and criticize that from my couch,

468
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: I have no play you know, role in this at

469
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: all other than talking to people like you on this podcast.

470
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: But as you look back on it now, how do

471
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: you wish this would have gone? Like? What do you

472
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: wish Zach would have done that week? Knowing that, okay,

473
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: he didn't believe that having sex with any anybody was

474
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: going to be like he thought the better option would

475
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: be to keep that off the table for the healthiness

476
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: of all relationships involved. I think that was his intention.

477
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: How would you have liked this to play out? Then?

478
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: Between the you know four of you? I just wish

479
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: he had a conversation with all of us that was private.

480
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: When it came to intimacy. I think there should be

481
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: discretion de quorum in that, and I don't think that

482
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: should be kind of publicized in any way. I think

483
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: in previous season there's always been like this question mark

484
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: of what happened in the fantasy suites. Think I hate

485
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: that terminology what happened in the overnights? So I wish

486
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: that things were handled with privacy, and I also wish

487
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: that there were like a very one on one conversation

488
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: with each person to gauge how they're feeling to people

489
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: come to that conclusion doesn't matter feeling on it, And

490
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: I respected Zach's attentions and I respected I think he

491
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: tried to approach the week with kind of a noble ideation.

492
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: He felt very like, this decision is noble and I'm

493
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: helping everyone, But he actually kind of hurt everyone by

494
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: making a unilateral decision without everyone else. So each relationship

495
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: is so different, each person requires such different things. We're

496
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: all very different personality types as well, and I wish

497
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: he honored all of those relationships by having a kind

498
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: of one on one conversation with each person and not

499
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: approaching the week in a unified way. Well, I mean,

500
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: for somebody that you've complimented here on the show and

501
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: other places, and for somebody you have respected and that

502
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: you built a relationship with, and you know fairly well,

503
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: why do you think he felt like it was his

504
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: ability to make this decision for everybody else. I doubt

505
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: that he thought about the repercussions of this, and I

506
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: doubt that he ever anticipated the week would play out

507
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: the way that it did. Again, I think it's kind

508
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: of like a falsifi nobility, because I think he was

509
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: trying to protect everyone. I think he always comes from

510
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: like an earnest and genuine place. I actually don't think

511
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: he had malintent at all, and I don't think he's

512
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: just a malicious person in general. And I just can

513
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: authentically say that based on my experience with him and

514
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: based on the person that I got to know. So

515
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 1: I think that he was trying to kind of please

516
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: everyone and trying to live up to this like persona

517
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: of being like a really great kind of bachelor and

518
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: a great person versus just seeing how everyone else was

519
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: feeling and tapping into those emotions. I think sometimes there

520
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: must be so much pressure to be kind of this

521
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: perfect figure and to be carrying an entire season. So

522
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes when you try to be the best,

523
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: you don't end up being that because you're not actually

524
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: being true to your relationships, true to yourself. And I

525
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: feel like it also just put a really negative spin

526
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: on just physical intimacy, and we're all adults, and I

527
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: don't think there need to be such a stigma around

528
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: intimacy and such a stigma around any decisions that were made,

529
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: because it made everyone kind of on a disadvantage. Between

530
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: all the women, Yeah, it's a weird you know, you

531
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: have great insight into this um because it is a

532
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: weird week. It's and it's also a very vulnerable week,

533
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, for everybody involved, the lead and the women,

534
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: and I know from like past experience, you're going into

535
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: this week and you know what it, you know represents,

536
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: and it's the first time that you know, cameras get

537
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: taken away. It's the first time that maybe you don't

538
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: have like a nice date planned and you don't have

539
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: even a time restriction on how late the date's gonna go.

540
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: Like you you typically know there's an out and so

541
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: you can ask some questions and have a conversation and

542
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: then if you're not interested, you know you're going home

543
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: to your own, separate place at night. This is a

544
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: weird week for most people because there is vulnerability, and

545
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: there is this intimacy, no matter at what level, and

546
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: it you start to feel a lot of pressure. I

547
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: think the leads do, because you're right, they start to

548
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: feel like they have to be perfect and if they're

549
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: not perfect, none of these people are going to be

550
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: interested in them anymore. And then they're all going to

551
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: go home because yeah, once you know the cameras go

552
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: down and the door closes. We're all very human and

553
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: none of us have it all together. I personally felt

554
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: like it was one of my favorite experiences because I

555
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: took the time off camera and so on to just

556
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: really ask questions back and forth. I think it's nice

557
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: to have ample time and it feels like you're back

558
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: in a real kind of dating environment. It feels like

559
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: you're out of this simulate environment of the show. So

560
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: it feels really nice to be able to stay with

561
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: someone for hours. It feels nice to be able to,

562
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: like see I think people can always be authentic on camera,

563
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: but there's just like a different feeling when you're when

564
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: you're off camera and when you're sitting there for just

565
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: fifteen hours in a row talking. So for me, fortunate

566
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: that week is looked at in such a negative light

567
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: and like things happen that we're obviously outside of my

568
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: control and so on. Because in the actual date itself,

569
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed my time with Zach and I really

570
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: enjoyed speaking kind of into the night and not sleeping

571
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: and having kind of a romantic date like that, because

572
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: it feels really nice to be able to just have

573
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: uninterrupted time with someone that you're potentially going to be

574
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: getting engaged to. So do you leave that evening having

575
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: any doubts? I think it was hard for me with

576
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: my family because I felt like after that evening we

577
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: had spoken about family, and we'd spoken about things that

578
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: are obviously my family so important to me, and I

579
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: just found out more information on how kind of the

580
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: date went because I obviously couldn't see the conversation that

581
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: they were having with with Zach, and I think I

582
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: felt a little bit doubtful about how supportive my parents

583
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: were and how they were feeling about everything, as well

584
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: as obviously everyone got to know my brother, and I

585
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: don't make decisions based off my family, but I also

586
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: don't want to make decisions that would they would be

587
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: just so again, Sir or So has been like that

588
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: was something we had to overcome and that was something

589
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: that we had to have more conversations about. Do you

590
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: think if you would have ended up with Zach at

591
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: the end and you brought him home to your brother,

592
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: do you think the vibe changes or do you think

593
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: it's similar. I think my brother would become more understanding

594
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: over time, like I think my only was is very

595
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: loving and my family was supportive of me being pursued

596
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: in this relationship, and they're just happy for me to

597
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: be happy. But I think they had a hard time

598
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: conceptualizing finding a relationship on an experience like this, And

599
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: I think they had just very natural qualms and natural

600
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: hesitations that I feel like any any parent would have,

601
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: including myself, if my daughter, we're going on over my son. Yeah,

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: it's it's totally fair for families to feel weird about

603
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: their loved ones coming back and being like, yeah, I'm good,

604
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: I might get engaged at this and everybody'd been like,

605
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's cool, We're happy for you, but this

606
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: is this is not what we expected. And I feel

607
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: like I've lost all sense of any type of control

608
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: or knowledge of where you're at in your life. It's

609
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: a weird. It's it's a very weird few months for

610
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: them them. I'm sure, for sure you sign up for

611
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: the experience. Your family doesn't. Yeah, and they are. I'm

612
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: for a generation, so my parents have never experienced anything

613
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: like this and never even thought this would be something

614
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: that I would be doing obviously, so I think it's

615
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: hard for them to wrap their head around. I think

616
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: they still don't care what the show is, but I

617
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: think in the end they would have been happy for me.

618
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: But I felt like it would take a lot more

619
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of conversations and sit down, so they would have

620
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: seemed more like proof of the relationship in a way,

621
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: as did your brother growing up when you brought people home.

622
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: Was this also a similar vibe that he would give

623
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: the people you're dating or is this just because this

624
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: environment was so weird combination? But he was always like this, Okay,

625
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: my brother always tried to grill people and put them

626
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: on the spot and things like that. It's it's in

627
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: his nature to be protective and it comes from a

628
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: place of love that I always kind of hesitant bringing

629
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: people home because he also just wants the best for me,

630
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone can know what the best

631
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: for you is except for yourself. So people can create

632
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: ideas for the partner you should end up with, but

633
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: they'll never know better than you do. But it comes

634
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: from a place of love for you always. Yeah, I

635
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: think he. I mean, my entire family comes from such

636
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: a place of love. They're so supportive in any decision

637
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: I make, in any relationship that I've been in. But

638
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: They're always going to be honest, and I think honesty

639
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: is more important than sugarcoating things or putting a nice

640
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: spin on things, because I think honesty is what gets

641
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: you through to a long term relationship. You want to

642
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: be able to be honest with your partner. You want

643
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: your partner to It's not about your partner passing a test,

644
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: but you want to see if your partner makes the effort.

645
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: With your family, that's say, if it's more difficult, and

646
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it Zach not really being kind of scared

647
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: of the interaction or scared of my brother. That's scared,

648
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: but I appreciate him continuing on in the relationship and

649
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: not letting that be such a tarrent. Yeah, that's fair.

650
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: That's fair. Well, switching gear towards the end of this

651
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: time with you, and again I want to say thanks

652
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: for coming on here. I know life's you know, spinning quickly.

653
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of requests, and so thanks for

654
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: coming on here. But I'll last a few final questions

655
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: kind of about the show. You know, after you after

656
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: the final Rows moment, a lot of people were vying

657
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: for you to be the next Batchelorette. They're trying to

658
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: figure out how that could all work because a lot

659
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: of people, you know, obviously love Charity and I'm really

660
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: are excited for the next season, and that's not being

661
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: taken away from here, but they wanted you to be

662
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: there as well. If they would have asked you, would

663
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: you have said yes? Is the first question. No. I

664
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of pressure for me personally to

665
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: take something like that on. And I also feel like

666
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: it the experience feels like a long time ago, but

667
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: also doesn't at the same time, and I don't think

668
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: i'd be ready to be thrown back into environment like

669
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: that and pursuing multiple relationships in this kind of a setting.

670
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: Did you feel this way after, I mean, say, a

671
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: month after you know you're you got sent back home

672
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: and you're looking at the world and you know you're

673
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: waiting for the show to air. Were you pretty confident

674
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: at that point? Yeah, I'm not if they ask me,

675
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: because you had to assume that you were in the running, like,

676
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. I try to be open minded

677
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: enough because initially I didn't even want to do the show,

678
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: and I was trying to be I was very reticent

679
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: to participate in anything like this and I really had

680
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: predominantly a great experience and it was really great getting

681
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: to know Zach. So I didn't want to say definitely no,

682
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: I want to keep it option, but I think it's

683
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure, and I think Charity is handling

684
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's handling yourself beautifully, and she is such

685
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: an incredible person, and I honestly don't like that people

686
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: are constantly saying that I should be about to writting

687
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: all these things because I'm personally so happy for her,

688
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: and I don't think it needs to be two women

689
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: pinned against each other or any any conversation like that.

690
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: So I think I haven't really liked the commentary online,

691
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: even though it's coming from a positive place. I think

692
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: we'll should throw their support towards Charity, who is the

693
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: president bachelorette. Yeah sure, yeah, I mean I think I

694
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: think people are just really excited about you both, Like

695
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: what a compliment to the two of you. But Charity

696
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: is gonna rock it, like we have no doubt, right,

697
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: She's gonna be great. I'm so excited for a Charity

698
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: to find a fiance, and I know that there's going

699
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: to be guys throwing themselves at hard Yeah. Yeah, we're

700
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: pumped to watch it here. So then the next question is,

701
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: would you consider going on Paradise a lot less pressure

702
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: than anything you've done so far or being the bachelorette.

703
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: If they called you and said we'd love to see

704
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: you on the beach, is that something you'd be interested in.

705
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant, but I'm always going to keep my options open.

706
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: And it's not a no, but it's a yes. So

707
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: I was ambiguous. I got to ask this because my

708
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: co host it's her favorite question. That's one of mine too,

709
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: but I just don't ask it because I let her

710
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: do it. If you went to Paradise, is there somebody

711
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: in Bachelor Nation right now that you are interested in

712
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: or would enjoy seeing walk down the stairs to the beach? Um?

713
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: As of right now, I don't think so. It's interesting,

714
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: but people usually have like a one person see them m. Yeah.

715
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Usually people who have come on the show know the show,

716
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: and so they've typically watched the show previously and they're

717
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: sitting at a place and being like, yes, now that

718
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: i've you're different in the best of ways, and I

719
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: want to say this, like you might be the first

720
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: person I've ever interviewed on this show and the six

721
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: years of doing this that I really believe, you know,

722
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: if they were asked to be the Bachelor, I would

723
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: have said no based on it not being right for

724
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: you and not feeling like it would have been appropriate

725
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: for the season of life you're in, and also that

726
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: you're sitting here going I would think about Paradise like

727
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: you actually think you would think about it, and you

728
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: might say no to it, knowing the season of life

729
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: you're in. Some people just say it. I get the

730
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: sense that you've you're pretty confident and where you're at

731
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: in life right now. Yeah, And I think that I'm

732
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: still doing a lot of personal work right now. I

733
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: think that people don't understand what it's like to kind

734
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: of be on the back end of this experience. You

735
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: are talking about yourself twenty four hours a day. You

736
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: are getting to the real root cause of why you're

737
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: actually not in a relationship and what kind of previous relationships.

738
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: And I had to take a lot of ownership in

739
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: my past relationships and what had happened to have those

740
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: relationships kind of dissolve. And I didn't realize how responsible

741
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: I was and how much I was kind of the

742
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: arbiter of my own kind of situations falling apart, and

743
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: I feel like the experience taught me so much about myself,

744
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: and I had so much personal growth even outside of

745
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: my growth and my relationship with Zach, So I feel

746
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: like it's still an ongoing process for me. And it's

747
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: very difficult to be kind of disconnected from everything in

748
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: your life, disconnected form everything you know, and having to

749
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: truly follow your gut and your intuition and those you're

750
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: talking about yourself all day, and you resurface things that

751
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: happened to you in middle school that you didn't even

752
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: I's affected you or bothered you or brought you to

753
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: the place where you are. I didn't realize how kind

754
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: of inadvertently cold I'd become in certain ways, and how

755
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: I push people away in relationships. And I think it

756
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: took Zack a lot. It took Zack and I a

757
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: minute as well to kind of get through that. In

758
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: a way I was always pining, I became this kind

759
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: of mysterious person, this person that I wanted to project outwards.

760
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: And I feel like the show really allowed me, and

761
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: these conversations that I was having with Zach allowed me

762
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: to work through a lot of past issues, in particularly

763
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: romantic issues. So it takes a real toll to do

764
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: an experience like this. It takes a lot, and you

765
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: can turn that into a net positive. So I really

766
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: look back on my experience feeling like I've gotten to

767
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: know myself in a way I never anticipated before. But

768
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: it takes a lot out of you to do something

769
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: like that. It takes a lot out of you to

770
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: put yourself out there in that way, and it is

771
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: like a very emotionally, physically and so on taxing experience.

772
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: So what are you doing? What does life look like now? Then?

773
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you're learning this stuff. It kind of puts

774
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: you in a liminal space like you're kind of sitting

775
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: between two worlds for a bit as you're processing in

776
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: realizing what you're learning about yourself. And then where do

777
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: you go from here? How do you implement these things?

778
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: What are you doing for everybody listening who feels very

779
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: similar to you and that they're learning something about themselves

780
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: and they want to figure out how to implement it

781
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: into their lives and actually make real positive change. As

782
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: somebody that I'm picking up on is very thoughtful, how

783
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: are you working through this? I think it's about forgiving

784
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: yourself for where you're at, and forgiving yourself for anything

785
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: you might have done in your plast to bring you

786
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: to this point. And I think it doesn't necessarily take

787
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: getting to a breaking point to start your own personal growth,

788
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: but that can be little things each day. I feel

789
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: like for me, a big issue was taking everything personally.

790
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: I used to put myself in every single situation. I

791
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: thought I was a very sensitive person, but actually I

792
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: was leaning a narcissistic because I was putting myself in

793
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: every scenario and taking a lot of words and actions

794
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: of other people that are living their own lives personally.

795
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: So I think it's the best advice that I can

796
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: ever give is to take yourself out of kind of

797
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: being in your own way. I felt like I learned

798
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot from the experience because I saw how much

799
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: I had self sabotaged in my past, and how much

800
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: people were even in the experience, self sabotaging even before

801
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: their relationship got to a breaking point, with Zach in particular.

802
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's about being kinder to yourself

803
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: and knowing that every everyone's kind of a work in

804
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: progress in a way, and there's a much more you

805
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: can do to kind of progress as a person, but

806
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: to also know how to take yourself out of situations

807
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: and understand everyone's going through it too. So when someone

808
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: like lashes out at you should always stand up for

809
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: yourself and you should always make it clear that you

810
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: have your own personal set of boundary, but also to

811
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: understand that, like, where is this person coming from, and

812
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: why are they actually acting this way? Why are they

813
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 1: so upset? It's not a about me, So it's about

814
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: taking yourself out of the equations and understanding how everyone's

815
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: probably going through the same motions and feelings that you are.

816
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: You know, the show is interesting because people go on

817
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: to it for a thousand different reasons. You don't really

818
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: know what you're getting into. Nobody really does you get

819
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: into it. And there's not one person that I've met

820
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: that hasn't been changed. And then there's also not one

821
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: person I've met that if they didn't that if they

822
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: allowed the show to change them in a positive way,

823
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: it didn't. It did like people got people were changed

824
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: in a positive way from the show because they did

825
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: this introspection and because they dug deep, and because they

826
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: gave themselves the forgiveness and because they were criticized and

827
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: watched under a microscope dating somebody. When you come through that,

828
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people gain a sense

829
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: of confidence. And hopefully that's what people's experiences are, because

830
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: the show can be really hard on people too, But

831
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: I hope they come out of it and just allowing

832
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: themselves to be forgiven a little bit because they've done

833
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: something really difficult and came through it, and that's something

834
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: to be proud of. Well, final question for you. We

835
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: talked about your career before the show, we talked about

836
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: your experience on the show. We talked about a very

837
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: difficult ending to the show just in general for so

838
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: many people. And now you're sitting here and you've shared

839
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit about what you foresee the next season

840
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: of your life being. But what can people who are

841
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: fans of yours, who listen to the show, what can

842
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: they be looking forward to from you? What do you

843
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: foresee your next steps being in life? And what are

844
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: you looking forward to accomplishing. I mean, after this experience,

845
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to being in a relationship. I'm looking

846
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: forward to now applying everything that I kind of learned

847
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: from my relationship with Zach, because if a relationship doesn't

848
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: come to fruition or you don't get engaged, doesn't mean

849
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: you can't learn from it. So I want to take

850
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: my experience wood Zac and kind of implement that into

851
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: my next relationship. And I feel like I'm much more

852
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: open now to dating and I'm much more open to

853
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: really being I hate the word vulnerable now, but there's

854
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: no other word to use. Why do you hate it?

855
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's so over to use now world,

856
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: it's only in your world. Everybody else still enjoys it.

857
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: You just got it said to you about a thousand

858
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: times in like a two month span. For me, it's

859
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: about now entering my next relationship and entering like dating

860
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: situations and truly being open minded. I thought I was.

861
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: I thought I did the personal growth, but I think

862
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: after this experience, I'm very ready to date and I'm

863
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: very ready to put myself out there. We wish that

864
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: for you. We're excited to watch you. You're one of

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Speaker 1: our favorites. Really appreciate you coming on. I would love

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Speaker 1: us travel a little bit and she's a mother now

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Speaker 1: and so sometimes she has to be out. But your insight,

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Speaker 1: your wisdom, your poison. Doing that during the season and

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Speaker 1: now is something really admirable. And so keep being you,

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Speaker 1: keep doing you, and thanks for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Ohsome well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. That was another almost famous in depth

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Speaker 1: episode with Ariel, somebody who became a fan favorite on

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Speaker 1: this season of the Bachelor. We hope to see her

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Speaker 1: in Paradise. From that interview, I don't know if we will,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's probably a good thing. Like I

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Speaker 1: think she's gonna make the decision that's best for her,

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Speaker 1: even though selfishly we would all love to see her

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Speaker 1: fine love on the beach. But until then, if you

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Speaker 1: want to catch Ariel season of The Bachelor, you can

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Speaker 1: find that on Hulu. She's also very entertaining on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: You can follow her at a F R E N

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Speaker 1: K E L on On TikTok, you can follow her

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Speaker 1: there until next time. I've been Ben, We'll talk soon.

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