WEBVTT - A Conversation with Johnny Drinks 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.720 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:09.119 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.200 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:13.920 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.640 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:27.920 my name is Nolan. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.080 They call me Ben. We're joined, as always with our 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:37.120 super producer, Max Freight Train Williams. Most importantly, you are here, 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.239 and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.519 to know. It's a very special show for us today, folks. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:50.040 We are examining a wide range of things in what 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.800 is part of a continuing conversation we started in Austin, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:00.120 Texas some time ago. We're not diving into this alone, folks. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.800 We are joined with the man, the myth, the legend, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.440 John Rondie Sr. Also known as to many of our listeners, 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.640 the creator of Johnny Drinks. Sir, thank you for coming 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:14.520 on the show today. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.880 Oh come on, this is awesome. I love it. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:17.360 Man. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.560 I gotta say like the shadow boxing. It was a 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.520 good move there, and I like the risk whatever you 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.000 call those, the cuffs, the wrist. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.080 I know you got something. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.920 This is my Red Vanley Listen. I have the pleasure 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.360 luxury of being afforded a lot of swag. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.240 Yeah, they thought that was stuff we all get. How 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:41.759 can we didn't get that. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.280 I'm in front of the camera a little more. Baby, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:48.720 it works. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:49.800 You're looking good, John. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.800 We're glad to have me here today to talk about 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.160 I like you like Ben said a bit of a 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.440 grab bag episode today, which is great because we're going 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:57.440 into a long weekend. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:58.960 Everybody likes a grab bag. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.000 Yeah. Well, before we get started, though, let's talk about you, John, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.160 who you are, what the Johnny Drinks podcast is in 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.160 Johnny Drinks in general, how it came to be, and 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.440 the fact that you've made this thing with your son, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.040 which you know as a father, it's like one of 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.040 the coolest things. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:20.160 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's well unbelievable that I get to 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.760 share the story, the message, the journey. Right, It's just 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.160 been something that came to us. The bottom line is, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.919 my son and I didn't set out to do this. Right. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:35.760 We literally filmed a video of me making a cocktail. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.560 I made the cocktail, he videoed, it went viral. The rest, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.400 as they will say, becomes the history of our journey. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.200 Because after that first video, that was his first TikTok, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.280 so think about this, takes his camera out, says, I'm 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.160 going to download the app, downloads the app. Videos in 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:02.160 the app me making a cock It goes over eight 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.760 million views, okay. And that next day he's like, we 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.639 got to do this again. I'm like, okay, what did 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:17.000 we do? So it's pre COVID February twenty twenty. Make 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:22.120 the cocktail, goes viral. Subsequent to that, do other videos, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.400 and then the pandemic hits in like April, right, So 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.240 now we're in we're in lockdown, and everybody's doing what 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:35.440 they're doing, of course, and we just expand upon, you know, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.800 taking up time and space and not driving each other 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.320 nuts and just having fun. And that's how it was born. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:49.360 So you really did. You have continued to strike a 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.840 chord with people, not just on TikTok, but on any 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.920 number of social media platforms, including, as Matt mentioned, the 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.440 Johnny Drinks podcast. One of my favorite parts of the 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.920 Origin story, John is, uh, the way the way you 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.760 explained it, which is super humble. By the way, man 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.160 is Okay, we've we've made you make the cocktail, right, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:15.360 and uh, you're you're making Manhattan's and after after you 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.920 make the Manhattan you're you're basically just doing it because 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.120 you're all going out to uh a steakhouse Del Frisco's. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:23.480 Yeah. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.560 Yeah, And so my favorite part of this story is 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.440 the way I've read it in a couple of iterations, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.240 is that you guys go and you're having dinner and 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.839 all of a sudden, the phone goes nuts. Right, So 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.000 I really thought this was just something entertaining to do 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:41.599 for a second. 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.000 Yeah, yeah, listen, I know. Yeah, I gave you the 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.360 briefed version. I'm happy to like now expand a little 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.800 bit and dissect it. But when we were out to dinner, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.520 and again it was my nephews, my brother in law, 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.919 my sons, so it was just guys being dudes, pregaming 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.000 my basement, make the cocktails. We go out to Del Fresco's, 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.200 and at dinner, Johnny's like that that videos doing really well. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:16.280 I'm like, you know, oh great, one hundred thousand views, Dad, dessert, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.360 we're close to a million views. I'm like great. We 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.240 get in the car, Dad, this thing is going. I'm like, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:25.200 where's it going? 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.240 Yeah, it's going. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.760 My brother in law, who's fifty eight years old, we're 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.080 looking at you, Ollie, what are they talking about? It's 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.080 going and then subsequent next day, the next day, traction 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.280 it's building. I'm like, wow, okay, cool, it's just fun. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.320 Let's let's talk about that revenue streams, right, Like, did 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.080 you ever think in your wildest dreams that this thing, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.040 whatever social media is, could be a viable revenue stream 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.520 for I mean for anybody. It's pretty nuts. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:06:01.120 I believe it. Matt ben Noel. If you guys heard 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.719 what I said to everybody the first let's say, six 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.279 months into this whole thing, it's like, this isn't real. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.480 This is such bs. This is like, you know, killing time, 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.320 but it's like, what are we doing. I actually made 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.080 a deal with my son. I said, Okay, here's what 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.680 we're gonna do. You know this is cute, This is cute. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.360 I have a full time job in twenty twenty. I'm 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.880 in the mortgage business. I mean, in thirty two years, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.880 I am cranked out, busy, out of my mind that 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.200 it was one of the best years in the mortgage industry. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:43.279 Twenty twenty. Everyone's refinancing, everyone's locked down. Okay, you might 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.440 not relate to that because you may have had a 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.960 mortgage or needed a mortgage, But it was one of 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:49.960 the best years I ever had. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.800 You hit on some things that are really interesting on 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.880 my ends, and I think our listeners will find this 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:01.120 fascinating as well. You said the words, you know it experimental, right, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.800 we're expanding h And you also mentioned your extensive experience 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.960 in the world of finance, in the world of mortgages, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:15.040 I saw. I saw a really compelling conversation you had 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:20.800 with a colleague regarding what was it eight right? 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:21.120 Oh? 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.400 Yeah, yeah. And for many of us, like when this 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:31.000 show was first a twinkle in some ill advised eyes 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:32.960 of some kids who were certain they would get fired 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:38.200 by the way we we were, this was something that 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.760 was on everybody's mind. And I think for a lot 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:47.000 of people, we see this cyclical, like the same batch 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:54.600 of conspiracy theories get thrown around regarding regarding the ideas 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.720 of crashes, recessions and so on. And what do you 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.480 think for we're the average person who doesn't have your 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.680 depth of experience here, how would you respond when people 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:12.000 say there are conspiracies afoot in the world of finance? 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.640 Yeah, yeah, you know, listen, I think and I'm on 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.960 a conspiracy theorist person or advocate of sort of life. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.880 But I believe things. So if you if you have 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.600 things that you would bring to light as fact, I 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.080 want to hear it. I'm listening. I'm still trying to 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.400 figure out who killed JFK. I'm all about let me 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.080 hear it because it's cool, right. But the more you 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.559 hear then the more you get to kind of deduct 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.760 for yourself. And that's the nice part about why you 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:49.200 guys are even doing what you're doing. Right. So, when 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:54.000 we think about the financial crash of eight specifically in 0:08:54.040 --> 0:09:00.720 that conversation, everyone was contributing to it. There were and 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.160 always will be people in the financial world that will 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:11.000 take advantage of their position. Right, It's like us hanging out. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.960 We hang out with each other. We're accountable excuse me 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.600 to each other. We get a little creative with each other. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.680 You're foolish if you don't think those people in those 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.440 proverbial ivory towers don't do the same thing that they 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:35.640 don't talk and they don't learn how to encode, so 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.160 they cover their butts figure out ways to monetize and 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.079 make money off. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:46.439 For sure, anytime we talk about secret societies or kind 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.280 of clandestine meetings. It usually boils down more to networking 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.679 events than it does to some sort of master plan, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.600 you know, And it's the idea of how can you know, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.520 we be the rising tide that carries all both as 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.680 long as you trying to eat my lunch, you know, 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.640 other wealthy influencing person, And that's who I'm talking to. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.079 So it's a it is there. It is a conspiracy, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.360 but so is business. I mean, like it's so interesting. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.920 The term conspiracy is so loaded, but it really is 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:20.640 just like a way of formulating a plan to. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:20.959 Put something into action. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.560 So I mean, the idea of a conspiracy isn't always 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.480 as secretive and clandestine as one might think. It really 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.120 is just about tactics and strategy and like pushing forth 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.520 ideas in the world and sort of being those thought leaders, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:36.160 et cetera. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.720 Sure, yeah, no doubt. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.319 Well, you know, I wonder about about mortgages in general, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.560 and I wonder about buying homes right now. It's a 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.680 weird time. I was having a conversation with my parents 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.080 just about how houses were such a long term investment, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.719 at least that's how they viewed them when they were 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.040 growing up. It feels like there's a push for the 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.240 short term, you know, turn around the money, basically flip 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.360 a house in you know, months or a year or so. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.040 Where do you see all of that heading when it 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.959 comes to basically everybody out there listening right now who's 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.240 worried about being able to buy property at some point 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.160 and it doesn't feel like a goal that's even achievable. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.680 Where where do you see everything going. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.359 Yeah, yeah, well you know what, Matt, It's it's inevitable 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.040 that you have to leave your parents. You can't live 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:31.560 with them the rest of your life. Right So for 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.679 the younger people, it'll happen, whether they kick you out 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.320 or you just get tired of it, you're gonna you know, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.400 you'll find your own place. The problem right now is 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.559 there's no inventory. There's just there aren't any homes that 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.360 in any market. If you were to look at the 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.200 homes that were for sale a year ago are available today, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:12:01.240 it's like eighty percent less. It's crazy. What's just evaporated, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:07.000 let alone the prices that have flattened out. So it's 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.920 gonna come back. And the person like my son who 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.679 is twenty seven, who is looking a year ago, is 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.840 now just gonna be patient because it's gonna be a 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:25.120 buyer's market at some point, right, because you can't you 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.160 can't hold on to that current home that you really 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.839 should put on the market. And for different reasons. If 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.480 you're an older person like maybe your parents, well something's 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:40.600 gonna happen, right, Attrition is gonna factor in or usually 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.560 gonna say to your kids, hey, you buy it, I'll 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.320 sell to you, I'll hold a note. There's gonna be 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.880 a change over somewhere. So those people who are in 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.199 this market trying to find a house now I feel 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.439 bad for it because there's not a lot of options 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.640 and they're chasing answer things just to have a bite 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.400 of the apple, and they don't even know if it's 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.840 really what they want. You know, everyone wants what they 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.040 can't have, and all of a sudden, you're making offers 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.200 on a house that you'd compromise so much, and you think, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.000 but at least I got a house. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.320 Yeah, And sometimes I think a lot of that comes 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.160 to as a person who just put off buying a 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.880 house until you know, later next year, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.160 They I think a lot of it comes down to this, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.800 these sort of cultural mores that are put upon people. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.280 Sometimes in Shorthand they're referred to as the American dream. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.040 But if you feel this obligation, even if it's not 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.199 the right fit for you, then you find your reality 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.439 and what you have been taught should be your reality 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.280 in conflict. And this brings us to a bigger thing. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.800 Very interested in your thoughts on this one, John, Okay, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.280 phrasing this carefully. I want to get this right. Do 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:02.120 you believe that overall Western society is moving away from 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:08.360 an ownership society to a service or subscription society. This 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.720 is something that we have bandied about on the show before. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.000 And when I think of this, I'm not just thinking 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.880 of you know, like a lot of the investment firms 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.920 maybe in the US and abroad that have been buying 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:25.360 up homes, or you know, foreign nationals representatives of foreign 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.080 institutions buying homes big problem in Canada. I'm thinking also 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:35.400 of how subscription services are entering the automobile, like BMW recently, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.120 you know, has these monthly payments you must make for 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.800 technology that already exists in the car. Do you think 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.240 there's something to that? And if so, are people being 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.520 maybe alarmist or hyperbolic or is that a valid concern 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:53.280 people should have. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:59.960 So there's it. I'm a simplify it. It's rent versus buying. Right, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.480 it doesn't matter who's how they're renting it, who's owning 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.120 it to rent, why they're doing it Airbnb, vrbo, it's 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.520 rent versus by. My son and I just had on 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:17.360 our podcast this conversation rent versus buy. And so I 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:24.560 think that while the American dream, or part of what 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:29.760 I say is like the three pinnacles of one getting married, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:34.280 to owning a home, and three having children may not 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.960 fit everybody, those are the three pillars right for most people. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.600 And if you can get one out of the three, great, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.640 get you go three for three, fantastic, But I think 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.200 everyone would love to just get at least, you know, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.640 a shot at one of those in their lifetime. Renting 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:03.960 right now is so attractive because those people who are 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:08.600 in a position right to to control it have made 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.840 it so convenient. They've made it such that now there's 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.640 these worlds within the world, in the community, and you 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:22.240 know you can you can find this at every demographic right. So, Matt, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.680 your parents are older mine or older, everyone's got hopefully 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.880 you know parents that can still enjoy you know, their 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.000 their their senior years. But they have all these communities 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.880 now that they're doing everything. I mean, right, who's not 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.640 playing pickleball? My fam was, you know, eighty five years 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.520 old playing pickaball. I can't walk? 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.320 Where did that come from? What are you taking over malls? 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.120 What the hell is anyway? 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.720 Yeah? But no, But so that's exactly right. Everything has 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:03.320 found this uh social aspect greater today than ever before. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.520 My son John lives in this complex in Jersey City, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:13.080 and guys, it's like just beautiful, beautiful young people in 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:18.199 and out, all sorts of demographics, right, and then they 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.719 have on the roof day of this pool. They have 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.199 all this area and they hang out, like gosh, who 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.159 does want to live here? So that's where Ben, I 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.760 think it's it becomes very easy maybe for the subscription 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.160 mind you know, mindset, I don't want to buy the car. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.280 I'll just let me tell you. You know, we borrow 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.679 it here and they use it for this purpose then 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.360 and you know, rent it for the time they need 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.720 and when you need it. Right. So, but but I 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.760 I think that the ultimate goal still is being one 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.320 of those pillars, is to buy it to have it. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:17:59.600 Well, I mean you know. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.879 I I recently bought a home and I was terrified 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.360 to do it for the longest time. I had one 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.639 in a previous life when I was married, when my 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.919 kid was really young, and we sold that house and 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.400 I rented ever since. But I did have that kind 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.679 of fomo sort of like you know, fear of like 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.000 being left behind, left in the dust. I'm like, how 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:16.680 come all these friends of mine were younger than me 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.520 or buying houses, Like I, what's the deal? What am 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.000 I missing? And I think that is a danger in 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.120 and of itself. It It wasn't until I was just like, look, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.760 I'm gonna take a look at Sloman and I have 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.119 my kid's best friend's mom's realtor, and I looked at 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.040 like six or seven in one day, and I saw 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.080 a place that I'm sitting in the basement of right now. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.000 I'ma have a recording studio, and it's very important to me. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.280 I'm like, I do music. And I've been shoving all 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:38.919 my gear that I've been collecting since I was a 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.000 teenager into a spare bedroom for years. And I saw 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.080 the space and I was like, think what I could 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.080 do with the space. It would change my life it 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:47.720 would change my life to be able to have this 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.360 space to put all my stuff in, to be creative 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.200 in my own home. That's what twisted the key for 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.240 me and made me like, now I want it in 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.480 a way that's not just I'm sad that I'm being 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.000 left behind. So I think to your point, like it 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.560 is important to realize, like what do you actually want? 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.840 What are you going for in your life? 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.720 Is it smart for you to be able to own 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.399 a place, or is it better or more advantageous to 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.080 you just to continue to rent, because there is anything 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.440 inherently wrong with renting. It was for me this silly, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.800 kind of childish fomo that then was replaced by Okay, no, 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.320 now I actually want this for a real reason for 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:22.000 my life. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.560 Yeah, yeah, good point. It makes sense. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.320 And we'll pause here for a word from our sponsor. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:40.760 Then we'll return with Johnny Drinks. And we have returned. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.399 Guys, I want to jump back to something we were 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.880 talking about before, and I'm trying to connect some ideas 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.760 here to come up with something interesting. Okay, so you've 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.199 got the show Johnny Drinks. It is just centered on 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.840 those drinks, even though that's not what the Johnny Drinks 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.200 podcast is about right, it's about way more things than that. 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.760 But the Johnny Drinks persona of the social media presence 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:05.440 is about drinks. You got what is the thing? Yeah, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.879 you sell a smoker, I think, and it is just awesome. 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.960 We got to see Brian bomb Gardner do it like 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.920 right next to me. It was incredible. So there's we're 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.520 talking about revenue streams, we're talking about drinks. I want 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.119 to get back to prohibition and the times in the 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.680 United States when alcohol became illegal, because I think there's 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.480 a there's a something really interesting there with finding a 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:34.000 revenue stream at a time when it was illegal to 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.320 make money on that thing, but there was a will 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:41.240 and there were ways to still make money on that thing. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:46.119 And I just wonder if over your years, because are 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.240 you from New York or New Jersey? From New Jersey, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.960 New Jersey, So I just wonder if you had any 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.240 just I don't know, just living in that area talking 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.800 with people being in the financial sector. Just I wonder 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.280 if you've ever heard stories or anything just when it 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.840 comes to like the real wealth that was built from 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.760 prohibition that was underground and then turned into legitimate businesses 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:09.240 or something. 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:15.880 Yeah, Well, you know, listen, there's people that are very resourceful, right, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:24.560 people who are entrepreneurial and opportunists, regardless of whatever society 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.760 smashes you in the face with. So we have prohibition, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.400 the Great Depression, you know, things that as you reflect 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.359 back in and out of society and times where it 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:40.040 got really hard, people are going to be creative. I mean, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:45.439 I will not say, let's talk about the mob and 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.040 get into that, but who exploited it more than them? 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:56.200 They although again the stereotypes associated with it are well deserved. 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:00.480 You know, they did it. They found a way through 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:07.240 prohibition to make a business or businesses. You know, there's 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.240 the speakeasies, and to your you know, I guess your 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.440 question about being in this area, there's some still some 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.840 speakeasies that are original that I've been to, and there's 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.520 one there's one down in Atlantic City, New Jersey that 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.959 it was so cool just going in there and seeing 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:32.720 everything still the way it was. And it wasn't that 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.520 they tore down and got rid of They got rid 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.240 of some stuff because some stuff just you know, it 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.600 ages out and you can't, you know, can't keep it. 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:46.040 But it's so cool and interesting to see how they 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.800 did survive, and how they did facilitate the needs of 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.520 men and how women play a role in that, and 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.879 then the business models if you would of some of that, 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:01.320 so from from drinking to the socializing and you know, 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:08.040 the police that would come in the front empire. Yeah really, Yeah, 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.000 we're walking by which which, by the way, I never watched. 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.879 I don't think I watched maybe but a couple of 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:15.800 episodes of Boardwalk Empire, but I. 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:16.320 Sleepd on it. 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.199 I watched a few and then I left it. But 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.600 then I went back and it's good. It really gets 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:21.560 interesting and history. 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:27.400 For your background, I think you dig it. 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:25.960 Yeah, it's it's. 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.520 It's based on a lot of historical precedent. We've talked 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.720 about prohibition the past, and I love the I love 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:37.400 what you're describing here, John, because we know that Faulkner 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.960 was right when he said the past isn't really ever over. 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.320 I'm paraphrasing, but you know, we see we see the 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:49.480 echoes of these things, and and with prohibition, you know, 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.480 there's so much nasty stuff there that happens. Like people 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.400 always say, yes, the mob was doing terrible things, while 0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.439 they forget that the US government knowingly poison and a 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:05.800 ton of people, you know, with denatured alcohol. We also 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:11.120 saw in that short and cartoonishly unsuccessful national experiment from 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.720 nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty that nineteen thirty three, excuse me, 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:22.080 that prohibition just didn't work. And as like as a 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:27.080 business model for Uncle Sam, prohibition did not work with alcohol. 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.040 But you know, we've had some really interesting conversations with 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.080 folks that I won't call them conspiracy theorists, I will 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:42.280