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NFL training camps open veterans 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: reporting today, and you've got a situation with the Cowboys 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: and the Cincinnati Bengals, and both of the owners of 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: those teams had something to say about the players who 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: were on the outside looking in. Trey Hendrickson his contract situation. 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: Mike Brown talked about that, and Jerry Jones of course 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: talked about Michaeh Parsons signing him to a contract extension. 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: I'll go back to what I talked to Albert Breer 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: about yesterday. He, of course the Monday Morning quarterback. If 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: you're going to eventually pay these players, why have any acrimony? 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: Why not just we know that Jerry Jones is going 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: to pay Michael Parsons, right. I have a hunch the 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: Bengals will pay Trey Hendrickson now. I'm sure they're saving money. 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure that they have some business strategy here that I, 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: of course, with my limited education, wouldn't understand. But there's 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: also Jerry Jones, who loves being Jerry Jones. He loves 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: to be If he had already settled this Michael Parsons contract, 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: then maybe we would be just talking about the Cowboys 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: as a team and how good they're going to be. 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: But it's rarely that now, that'll happen later in the season. 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: But with Michaeh Parsons, Jerry Jones said this about signing 39 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: him to a contract extension. 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, 42 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: paid at the position in the league and he got 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: knocked out two thirds of the year, Dak Prescott. So 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things you can think about and 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: just as the player does, when you're thinking about committing 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: and guaranteeing money. 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: Okay, you might think this, but you don't have to 49 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: say the quiet part out loud. Why because then all 50 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: of a sudden, now you're Michaeh Parsons. How do you 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: feel about this? You know, we go back to Dak 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: Prescott and I said, don't resign him. And plus, you 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: gave him all that money. If you're going to give 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: somebody money, give it to Michaeh Parsons. But he made 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: Dak the highest paid quarterback coming off ankles. What's the 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: logic in that? And a guy who's now thirty two 57 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: can't stay healthy and you gave him all that money 58 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: that I don't understand your business philosophy. As for Michael Parsons, yes, 59 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: did he miss games. Yes, when he plays, he's great. 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: You got the Bengals situation with Trey Hendrickson. All he's 61 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: done is outperform every other edge rusher the last two years. 62 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: When it comes to sacks and the NFL doesn't pay 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: you on what you did, they pay you on what 64 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: they think you'll do. Here's the Bengals owner, Mike Brown 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: on Trey Hendrickson. 66 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 4: We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: in the office working to get that. We like Trey 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: as a person, he's a good guy. But when it 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional. 72 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: We never have an easy time of it. But there's 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: I think this one will. 75 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: Okay, it does get done. But why drag this out? 76 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: Why have this back and forth? It just doesn't help 77 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: the tone of the team. The Bengals should be thinking about, Hey, 78 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: how do we make the playoffs this year? Hey we 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: need a little defense if we're going to make the playoffs. Hey, 80 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: we spend all this money on offense, can we stop anybody? 81 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of shootouts there with the Bengals, 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: why not just have Trey Hendrickson and whatever. You're going 83 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: to give him a three year deal. Now, I know 84 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: he's four years I think four years older than Michael Parsons. 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: Well he's not Michael Parsons, but he is really good 86 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: at what he is paid to do. It's just the 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: Bengals are notoriously cheap with this, and that's unfortunate because 88 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: you spend all this money on your wide receivers and 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: your quarterback. Your quarterback said I need those guys. Now, 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if Joe Burrell said, hey, by the way, 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: I also need somebody who can stop somebody so I'm 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: not on the field and I have to score touchdowns 93 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: every single time I'm out there. But maybe that would 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: have helped. But now you look at these situations, now, 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: will they get done? Yes? I just these are different 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 2: approaches because Mike Brown doesn't say much, Jerry Jones says 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: too much. And I don't know why you bring up 98 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: something with Dak Prescott. I don't know why you bring 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: up something with Michaeh Parsons. Now, I know he loves 100 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: to be in the headlines and the Cowboys are constantly 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: in the headlines. Nobody has produced less but gained more 102 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: attention in the history of sports than the Dallas Cowboys, 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: And here we are again, Yeah pulling. 104 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 5: I was actually more bothered by the Bengals owner Mike 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 5: Brown calling Trey Hendricken emotional about his contract situation. This 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 5: guy's thirty years old. This is his last chance to 107 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 5: get paid. He gets rough, He's never gotten the monster contract. 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: This is it. 109 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 5: This is his livelihood for him and his family the 110 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 5: rest of his life. You could see why be emotional 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: about it. 112 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, But just because you're emotional about it, I have 113 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: to look, it's still a business. He's thirty four, it's 114 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: a business. What do I want to pay him? Am 115 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: I going to pay him t J. Watt, Michael Parsons, 116 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: Miles Garrett money? No, I'm not. And you would think 117 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: you would earn it based off what you've done, but 118 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: that's not the way it works. Certainly what the Bengals 119 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: approach is on this with Trey Hendrickson. 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, wouldn't Mike Brown be dealing with Trey Hendrickson's agent? 121 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what is the like? 122 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 6: I mean, maybe I'm just being naive, but the whole like, well, 123 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 6: you know, he gets really emotional and all this he 124 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 6: pushes hard when he gets emotional. 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: Is that his. 126 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 6: Agent telling Mike Brown that, why you know, my client 127 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 6: is really emotional about this or is he just projecting 128 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 6: it through the agent? Is that the whole point of 129 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 6: dealing with an agent is so that you can do 130 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 6: exactly what you just said. You remove emotion from it 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 6: and now this is just business. It's just us too. 132 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 6: It's not the player who's going to be emotional about it. 133 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 6: It's just me, the agent and the owner. That's it. 134 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: I think Trey has had some comments, you know, the 135 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: last couple of months, so I think that's the emotional 136 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: part of it. But I'm surprised that you do bring 137 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: up emotion. Yes, this is your contract. Mike Brown's going 138 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: to have fifteen contracts to deal with. This is the 139 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: only one Trey Hendrickson has. And of course you would 140 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: be emotional. You've given everything to the team, You've played hard, 141 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: you've outperformed your contract. But you know that if you 142 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: look at the why the NFL is so successful, it 143 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: is a league that favors owners and fans, so we 144 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: get we get to consume. It's great for us, and 145 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: it's great for the owners, not necessarily great for the players. 146 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: And now you have this turmoil with the NFL Players Association. 147 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Where is there collusion? Was there? You know, the players 148 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Association in cahoots with owners to try to stop these 149 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: guaranteed contracts after Deshaun Watson. I mean, there's a whole 150 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: lot going on here. And I think TJ. Watt got 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: his deal done. He got it in his salary that 152 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: we said, this is probably where he's landing around forty 153 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: or forty one million dollars. I just don't understand why 154 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: it has to be dragged out unless they say, well, 155 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: we can save X number of dollars by doing it 156 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: later on, Well, then just tell the player, Hey, we're 157 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: going to get this done. Let's just keep it quiet. 158 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: No need to go back and forth. But that's the 159 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: problem with this. It just feels like it's unwanted attention. 160 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: Now Jerry loves it. He doesn't care. And I didn't 161 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: realize this. And I remember that you had a couple 162 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: of analysts who came on the show and they said, 163 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: he loves this. He loves the attention more than anything else. 164 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: It's not about winning, it's about the attention that he 165 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: gets in the process, And I said, well, if he wins, 166 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: he'll get a whole lot of attention. But you get 167 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: addicted to that. Hey, are they talking about our team? Yeah, 168 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: they are. It doesn't matter. You know, that's one of 169 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: those Any publicity is good publicity. Jerry Jones subscribes to that, 170 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: and that's unfortunate. Yes, John, if they're ultimately. 171 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 7: Going to pay Parsons, so is this a game of chicken? 172 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 7: What is going to change with his ability or what 173 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 7: the numbers are going to be? Jones is going to 174 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 7: all of a sudden pay him sooner. The agent's gonna 175 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 7: take less from the Cowboys because they're concerned he's not 176 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 7: going to get the money that he wants. 177 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 8: No. 178 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: He even said, well, you could get hit by a car, 179 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: like what is Yes, yes, that is true. He could 180 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: get hit by a car, he get hit by lightning. 181 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: There could be a lot of bad things that happen. 182 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: But if you're saying, well, we don't know, I mean, Jerry, 183 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: you've made bad decisions contract wise before. I don't think 184 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 2: this is a bad contract decision. He's going to cost you. 185 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: You need him right now. You're an ap average team. 186 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: You overpaid it. Quarterback you have drafted pretty well. Somebody 187 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: in the front office must be doing a great job 188 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: because they have had some surprise picks. And Jerry you know, 189 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: famously had some bad picks, whether it's a head coach 190 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: or keeping himself as the GM. Some of the signings 191 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: that he has, this one seems logical of all the signings. Now, 192 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: I love Cdee Lamb. I thought, okay pay him, and 193 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: Michael Parsons is a great disruptor. Dak Prescott is not 194 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: a great quarterback. He's not a top ten quarterback, but 195 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 2: you paid him that way coming off ankle surgery. Yes, yeah, Paulin, Yeah, 196 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: that's exactly right. Michaeh. 197 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 5: Parsons is exactly the case of giving the contract as 198 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 5: fast as you can. Michael Parsons in four years, three 199 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 5: time All Pro, four time Pro bowler, He's twenty five 200 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 5: years old. He's technically entering his prime. This seems like 201 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 5: the smartest money. It's like the Joe Burrow contract. If 202 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 5: through the Bengal you're happy to give Joe Burrow the 203 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 5: most money in quarterback history at the time because all 204 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 5: he did was play well for you, and now he's 205 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 5: entering that second contract. He lived up to the draft 206 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 5: pick exactly what you want as an owner. It's like, 207 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 5: the only smart money is that second contract of a 208 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 5: sure thing player. 209 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: I want to make sure I got this correct. Trey 210 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: Hendrickson is he's thirty thirty, ok Sarson's is twenty six, Okay, 211 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: so four years older. Okay. I don't know if I 212 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: said thirty four, but I think this sack total was 213 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: thirty five maybe over the last two years. But I'm 214 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: going to go back to the beginning of last season, 215 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: and Seaton brought this up and we're just having a 216 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: casual conversation. He goes, you know the Cowboys there, it's 217 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: a weird situation they're in. You want dak to play well, 218 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: Cede Lamb to play well, Micah Parsons to play well, 219 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: but as a result, you must pay them, so they're 220 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: going to live up to where you drafted them or 221 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: how they performed. But then that can be a negative 222 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: because you do have to pay these guys one thirty 223 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: million dollars, one forty and one sixty million dollars. Well, 224 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: that's three players where you got one hundred and thirty 225 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: million dollars each season with these guys, and you don't 226 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: have the performance that goes along with it because of 227 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: the other players on the team. So it was kind 228 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: of a good situation, but it was gonna go bad 229 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: because if they played well, you have to pay them 230 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: commensurate to that, and that's exactly what happened. These guys 231 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: are going to be Michael will be the highest paid 232 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: non quarterback in the NFL. You got Dak who's the 233 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: highest paid quarterback, and Ceedee Lamb, who's what top five 234 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: wide receiver with what he's getting paid. Those are good 235 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: things that they play well. It's just I never would 236 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: assign Dak Prescott to that contract extension. Yes, Paul, but 237 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: you could. 238 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 5: Go back to a mistake off a player who played well, 239 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 5: Ezekiel Ellett. Elliott drafted in twenty sixteen, sixteen hundred yards, 240 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 5: one thousand yards, fifteen hundred yards, fourteen hundred yards, carried 241 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 5: the ball more than anyone in the sport for four 242 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 5: straight years, and they gave him the monstrous second contract 243 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: where he started going downhill. But they got caught up 244 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 5: in we drafted a running back high, he paid off, 245 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 5: we must pay him when they'd been should have done 246 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 5: the discipline thing and not paid him. 247 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, you got everything you wanted out of him, 248 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: move on from him, and then Jerry signs the contract 249 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: extension even brings back Zeke Elliott again for another curtain call. 250 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: You know, if you're loyal, great, But if you're loyal, 251 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: don't say things publicly about Michael Parsons or Dak Prescott 252 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: or anybody else on the team. It just sometimes he 253 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: acts like he's a caller to a radio station, and 254 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: that's unfortunate. 255 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 256 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 257 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 258 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 9: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 259 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 9: five to seven pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We 260 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 9: ever have enough time to get to everything we want 261 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 9: to get. 262 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 10: To, and that's why we have a brand new podcast 263 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 10: called over Promised. 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Listen Over Promised 283 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 10: with Covino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 284 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 10: or wherever you get your podcasts. 285 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: JC Tredder former Center with the Browns and The Packer 286 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: former NFL Players Association President and Chief Strategy officer at 287 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: least those were former titles because he has decided to 288 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: step down. Why are you stepping down? Jac? 289 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like I had nothing left to give 290 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 8: the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed 291 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 8: the back end of my career, and I sacrificed time 292 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 8: with my family and I did those for the players, 293 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 8: and I would do them again. I love working for 294 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 8: the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like 295 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 8: I've had to sacrifice in my public reputation. There's been 296 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 8: some stories out there about me that aren't true, and 297 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 8: I've been asked to sit on that and not talk 298 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 8: about it. And that was for the organization. That wasn't 299 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 8: for the players, And in the end, I feel like 300 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 8: I couldn't do that anymore. I've always said the only 301 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 8: thing I've ever wanted to care about was being a 302 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 8: great dad and a great husband. And once this job 303 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 8: wasn't fun anymore or hurt my family, I was out. 304 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 8: And it happened both of those at the same time, 305 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 8: and it was time for me to leave. 306 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: So Lloyd Hall Junior, the Players Association executive, has decided 307 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: to step down as well. Be specific on what you're 308 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: talking about that is not true that's being said about you. 309 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of narratives fun 310 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 8: the idea that I buried, the collusion grievance. I've never 311 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 8: seen the collusion grievance. The collision I don't have access 312 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 8: to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about the 313 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 8: collusion grievance just not part of my job. The idea 314 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 8: that I've been angling for the executive director job since 315 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 8: I was a president also not true. I was asked 316 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 8: to run for executive director during the last search. I 317 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 8: declined because it would take me away from my family 318 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 8: for too much and I wanted to be with my kids. 319 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 8: I've got two young kids. I love watching them grow up. 320 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 8: There's been a story about US firing an arbitrator that 321 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 8: said it was because of me. I don't fire arbitrators. 322 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 8: That's legals department. I don't do that stuff. So a 323 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 8: lot of things had been rolled down to this must 324 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 8: be Jc's fault, and that's not where I sit in 325 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 8: the organization. And that's not the type of person I am, 326 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 8: and I didn't want people thinking that was the type 327 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 8: of person I am. 328 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: ESPN reported last week that Hall struck a confidentiality agreement 329 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players, 330 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: and that was a January arbitration decision finding that the 331 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: league executive urged team owners to reduce guaranteed player compensation. 332 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: When did you find out about that collusion? 333 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 8: I know we lost the collusion a grievance in January 334 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 8: that I knew that. I didn't know of any agreements 335 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 8: or what was happening with that because it's not part 336 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 8: of my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago, 337 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 8: I started learning more. I was on the board call 338 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 8: in the EC call when it was explained what had 339 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 8: happened over the last six months to the players. So 340 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 8: I know more now, but at that point I knew nothing. 341 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 8: It wasn't involved in the discussions. 342 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson 343 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would 344 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: you elaborate on that. Is that an accurate quote? 345 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's the thing about being deposed. They get 346 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 8: your phone, they read all your text messages. Is not comfortable, 347 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 8: but those are all facts. So what had happened was 348 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 8: when I retired, I actually did an interview and I 349 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 8: talked about it. They asked about guaranteed contracts, and I said, 350 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 8: the next best person to get a guaranteed contract is 351 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 8: Russell Wilson. I thought he was traded for assets, similar 352 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 8: to Shaan Watson. He's a former Super Bowl winner. The 353 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 8: team can't just let him leave. They have a lot 354 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 8: of pressure on him. They also have a cash rich owner. 355 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 8: There was a lot of things in his favor to 356 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 8: get a guaranteed contract. When he did not get a 357 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 8: guaranteed contract, I texted d and I called him a loser, 358 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 8: and I called him a wuss, And I was upset 359 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 8: in that moment because I felt like we were missing 360 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 8: an opportunity to get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins 361 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 8: get one years ago and no one came behind him. 362 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 8: And then I was worried, we're gonna have the same 363 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 8: thing and we're going to miss an opportunity for players 364 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 8: to get guaranteed contracts. That was before the collusion grievance 365 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 8: was launched. That was before the idea of collusion had 366 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 8: come up. Months later was when we launched the collusion 367 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 8: griefents and that's why my deposition they asked me about it, 368 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 8: and I said, if I knew the league was colluding 369 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 8: against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there 370 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 8: was factors outside his control that were illegal and not 371 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 8: allowed to happen. But I didn't know that at the 372 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 8: time I sent the text message. 373 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: Do you think that owners have been colluding on no 374 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: more guaranteed contracts. 375 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 8: I can only know what was in that report, which 376 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 8: is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude, 377 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 8: but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved 378 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 8: that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there 379 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 8: is no damages that we could prove either. At this point, now, 380 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 8: this is still pending. So even though it was quote hidden, 381 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 8: it was in a stand still agreement and the right 382 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 8: to appeal was still there. So the NFLPA is appealing. 383 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 8: So this is still open and could potentially change. So 384 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 8: this is still a pending investigation or a pending matter, 385 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 8: and I hope it comes out or I hope it's 386 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 8: proven that we are able to prove those other two 387 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 8: pieces that are needed to win the entire collusion groups. 388 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: But isn't there a public record of the owner of 389 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking about 390 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks. 391 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what 392 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 8: it looks like and then what the findings were or 393 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 8: what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those 394 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 8: is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings, 395 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 8: and the actual findings as of it now is that 396 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 8: they wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still 397 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 8: under appeal, and I think the hope is that that 398 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 8: changes when it goes to a three judge panel. J. C. 399 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: Trader, former NFLPA President, chief strategy officer, of course, former 400 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: NFL player. Some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Junior, 401 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and 402 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 2: retaliation in twenty eleven when he was an executive at 403 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: another job strip club going to strip clubs. I don't 404 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the 405 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware 406 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former 407 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: head of the NFLPA. 408 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 8: We were aware of those during the search. We brought 409 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 8: up those that came out in the background check. We 410 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 8: asked him questions during the interviews, both with the Executive 411 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 8: Committee and at the final board meeting, we asked him 412 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 8: directly about those. He explained his side of the story, 413 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 8: and the board was comfortable with his answer, and that's 414 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 8: how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club 415 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 8: I was not there I've never been to a strip club. 416 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 8: I don't drink, I don't do anything in that realm 417 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 8: that should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it. 418 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 8: It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk 419 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 8: about who else was there. That's not my business. I 420 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 8: was not and that's a bad luck. 421 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: But is it a business meeting at two different strip 422 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: clubs I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he 423 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: charges it to the NFL Players Association? Correct, Correct, that 424 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: was the story. 425 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 8: I do not condone it at all. I do not 426 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 8: think it is right. It should never have happened. It 427 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 8: should never happen going forward. 428 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: How do you think players should feel about the NFL 429 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: Players Association? 430 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 11: Now? 431 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 8: This is not where we wanted to be. When we 432 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 8: launched the search years ago, we were looking for an 433 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 8: executive director that was going to be here for two 434 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 8: plus terms. That's like ten years that did not happen. 435 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 8: So this is not part of the plan. I think 436 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 8: what's the most important thing for the players right now 437 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 8: is to understand that this is their union. The players 438 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 8: need to come together. They need to find an in 439 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 8: orim to lead in the time being, and then they 440 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 8: need to find a search to find somebody that is 441 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 8: going to lead them going forward. And this is not 442 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 8: the timeline we wanted. We wanted a longer runaway going 443 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 8: into the next CBA, but these are now where the 444 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 8: chips have fallen, and I think the players need to 445 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 8: take a very hard look at the organization about what 446 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 8: to do moving forward and find the person that's going 447 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 8: to come in and make this organization what they want 448 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 8: it to be, because in the end, the players are 449 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 8: the most important part of this. That's who leads this, 450 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 8: that's who this is all about, and the players need 451 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 8: to dive in and take care of it. 452 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: What's the feedback been from current players over the last 453 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: couple of months. 454 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 8: I mean, this is also a weird time in the 455 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 8: schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I 456 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 8: don't think a lot of people are paying attention to 457 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 8: the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in 458 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 8: the last couple of days as they get back into 459 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 8: the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot 460 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 8: of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've 461 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 8: told them I've loved working for the players. Since I 462 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 8: became president, it has been an honor and that no 463 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 8: matter what happens, I will always be there for them 464 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 8: because that has been always my motivation is just doing 465 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 8: what's best for the guys. And that was one of 466 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 8: the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like I 467 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 8: lose opportunities to do work for the guys, and that's that. 468 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 8: It was a very emotional weekend for me, and I 469 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: finally woke up with some clarity of this is the 470 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 8: best decision for me and my family. But I'm always 471 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 8: gonna be sad about in the organization because those guys 472 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 8: do a ton of work and I understand what they 473 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 8: go through and what they put on the line and 474 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 8: what they deserve, and I really want them to get 475 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 8: what they deserve. 476 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: Speaking to a couple of people involved in this, and 477 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: they said they're just a lack of transparency. That it 478 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 2: felt like that even when you hired how that it 479 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: was kind of cloaked in, you know, it was a clandestine, 480 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a 481 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: I mean guilty of lack of transparency would you say 482 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association. 483 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 8: I mean, if we go back the search process, yeah, 484 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 8: You can say there was a lack of transparency to 485 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 8: the outside, right, but that's not exactly who we represent, 486 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 8: like only we owe the outside transparency. I think we 487 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 8: discussed it as player leadership what the search process should 488 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 8: look like. We had two previous search processes that weren't good, 489 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 8: so it's not like what we used to have was 490 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 8: a great option that bared great results wasn't true. So 491 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 8: we did something different that the players voted on Unanissley, 492 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 8: and we executed exactly what we as players decided, and 493 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 8: that decision was We wanted the players to make their 494 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 8: decision without outside interference telling what they should make and 495 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 8: we did that and in the end you are judged 496 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 8: by your results, and the results were not what we wanted. Again, 497 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 8: we wanted somebody here for the next ten years. That 498 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 8: did not happen. So I think when they launched their 499 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 8: next search, they should have a discussion learning from the 500 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 8: mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last 501 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 8: one of what they want to change and what they 502 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 8: want to do different. No search is perfect. I think 503 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 8: there are changes needed, and I think they will figure 504 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 8: out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those. 505 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 8: But Yeah, I think the transparency is an issue that 506 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 8: we talk about of what needs to be known. Again, 507 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 8: I have frustrations now because you have two sides of 508 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 8: the coin. One of well, let the public dive in 509 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 8: and get to know these candidates and share what they've 510 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 8: found out about them. But I look at my situation 511 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 8: where there's been a ton of stories out there there 512 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 8: just apparently not true, and that's not fair to people. 513 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 8: It's not fair for somebody with an axe to grind 514 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 8: to put out information that isn't true and bury someone's 515 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 8: reputation and impact their standing amongst the union. So there 516 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 8: are different ways to look at what people should be 517 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 8: able to share information on, and I think the guys 518 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 8: will end up making the right decision on how they 519 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 8: want to run it going forward. 520 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May, 521 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and 522 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: the Baseball Players Association. This is a multi billion dollar 523 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: group licensing firm, one team partners, Like, there's a lot 524 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: of stuff going on here, your chief strategy officer, and 525 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 2: it feels like nobody knows or knew what was going 526 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: on here. 527 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation while 528 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 8: I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so 529 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 8: I'm not going to speak about it. 530 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: I will say, well, that's ongoing, is that right? 531 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 8: Correct? And we have outside council looking into it, with 532 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 8: a group of players looking into it. And that's the 533 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 8: important part, right We have active players who are on 534 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 8: a committee to dive into these issues and evaluate all 535 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 8: the issues, because in the end, it's the players union 536 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 8: and the players have to know what's going on, and 537 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 8: the players deserve to know what's going on. You're right, 538 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 8: and that is a problem, and the players need to 539 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 8: get to the bottom of it, and they will. I'm 540 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 8: confident they will. 541 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: When are we going to eighteen games? 542 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 8: I don't know. That's a CBA issue, so whenever that's 543 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 8: going to. 544 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: Have had discussions for a while about this. So are 545 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: they concessions that you're asking for the. 546 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 8: Pars No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers 547 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 8: made it clear anytime the microphone gets in his face, 548 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 8: he brings up eighteen games, So I think he's been 549 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 8: clear about what they want. But in the end, they 550 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 8: can't unilaterally impose that that needs to be something that's 551 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 8: given in a CBA negotiations, and those haven't started, and 552 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 8: those probably aren't going to start for a while at 553 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 8: this point with everything going on. And in the end, 554 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 8: that is a major if that is something players are 555 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 8: ever willing to give, that is a major give that 556 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 8: damages players, hurts them bad. I know Roger went on 557 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 8: a long list of things recently around sharing costs and 558 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 8: lowering cash payments in more international games. Those are all 559 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 8: things that are really bad for players, and I think 560 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 8: players shouldn't rush into a conversation when the other side 561 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 8: is listing off a long list of demands that are 562 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 8: really bad for them. We have a CBA until twenty 563 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 8: thirty one, There is no need to rush into those negotiations. 564 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 8: If they want to have an early discussion with the players, 565 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 8: then they should have a list of things of why 566 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 8: it's good for the players. And I haven't heard a 567 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 8: reason why having an early negotiation is good for the 568 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 8: players at this point. 569 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: Should the players trust the commissioner? 570 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 8: This isn't a shot at his character. He works on 571 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 8: the other side. There's labor in management. He has bosses 572 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 8: that are not the players, he has interests that are 573 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 8: not the players' interests. So you probably should not trust 574 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 8: the person who negotiates on the other side of the 575 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 8: table because he has other interests. Besides that, I think 576 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 8: the players need to find a leader and executive director 577 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 8: that they do trust, and they in that room to 578 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 8: negotiate everyhalf for their best interest. That is how unions work. 579 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 8: You need a leader of that union to represent the 580 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 8: player's interest and you trust that person. You don't trust 581 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 8: the person on the other side of the table. 582 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: I ran into Jim McMahon and Tahoe and he's in 583 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: bad shape. I think there was thought that he might 584 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: lose part of his leg and I said, well, but 585 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: don't you have health benefits And he said no, So 586 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: why doesn't Jim McMahon like help me understand this. I mean, 587 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: do you get it for like five years and then 588 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: that's it, You're done. 589 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 8: So there's a couple different ways. I think one, we've 590 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 8: talked about lifetime healthcare forever. That's been a conversation for 591 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 8: twenty five years, probably longer at the union. The issue 592 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 8: is that is not an option because no one is 593 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 8: offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you need an 594 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 8: institution to give you lifetime healthcare, and there is nobody 595 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 8: willing to offer it. No one's willing to take on 596 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 8: that risk, no matter what the payment is. That's the reality. 597 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 8: So the next step goes, how do you get insurance 598 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 8: to players. What we have right now is if you vest, 599 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 8: you get five years post career health insurance. You also 600 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 8: build up an HRA account. If you map those out, 601 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 8: you can build up some insurance for a while. What 602 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 8: we need to do is find other ways to supplement 603 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 8: the insurance coverage until we have an institution that is 604 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 8: willing to give us lifetime healthcare and we have the 605 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 8: money to pay for it, because again that is part 606 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 8: of the revenue split. Everything comes out of the revenue split. 607 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 8: So if we wanted lifetime healthcare and we could afford it, 608 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 8: it would come out of whether the salary cap or 609 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 8: other benefits. But right now that is not an option. 610 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 8: So I think one of the important things of the 611 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 8: Union is going through and figuring out how to give coverage. 612 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 8: We have disability benefits, we have health we have HA accounts, 613 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 8: we have post career healthcare. We have a bunch of 614 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 8: different things that if you stack up the right way, 615 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 8: you can have coverage for a long time. But it's 616 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 8: not as clean. It's just like a single plan that 617 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 8: lasts forever. 618 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: Jc, thanks for joining us. 619 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 8: Good luck, absolutely thank you. 620 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: JC Treider, former NFLPA president, chief strategy officer, and of course, 621 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: played in the NFL. 622 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 623 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 624 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 625 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: listen live. 626 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 2: Mike Tannenbaum of The Mothership, former general manager in the NFL, 627 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: kind enough to join us, Mike, I want to get 628 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 2: your reaction to these two different clips from two different owners. 629 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: Let me start with Jerry Jones and what he is 630 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: saying about Micah Parsons. 631 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to 632 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, 633 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest 634 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 3: paid at the position in the league and he got 635 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: knocked out two thirds of the year, Dark Prescott. So 636 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things you can think about, just 637 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: as the player does when you're thinking about committing and 638 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: guaranteed money. 639 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 2: What's the purpose of those comments? 640 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 11: Stunning and totally unnecessary. It's the cost of doing business, 641 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 11: and nobody knows that better than Jerry Jones, who was 642 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 11: one of the architects of the Collective Baring agreement. Look, 643 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 11: there's parts of the agreement that are both that are 644 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 11: good for both sides, Dan, and everyone knows the risks, 645 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 11: but you're fortunate to have a great player in Michaeh Parsons, 646 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 11: and he's going to be the highest pay non quarterback 647 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 11: in the history of the NFL. Every day you don't 648 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 11: get that deal done, the more expensive it gets. And 649 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 11: I was stunned by what he said. 650 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: All right, then you have the Bengals owner Mike Brown 651 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: who said this about his great edge rusher, Trey Hendrickson. 652 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 4: We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get 653 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: Trey signed as we speak here. There are guys over 654 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: in the office working to get that. We like Trey 655 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: as a person, he's a good guy. But when it 656 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few 657 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 4: of them with him, he pushes hard. If he gets emotional. 658 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 4: We never have an easy time of it. But there's 659 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 4: one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And 660 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 4: I think this one will Okay. 661 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: You have an owner who inherited a team and he 662 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: is critical of a player who gets emotional trying to 663 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 2: negotiate a contract. Here, help me understand what Mike Brown 664 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: is saying. 665 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 11: Yeah, likewise, that was a surprise. 666 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 4: Dan. 667 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 11: Look, if they had locked Trey Henderson in a room 668 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 11: after the last game and said, hey, we're going to 669 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 11: make you the highest paid pass rusher would have been 670 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 11: thirty four million dollars. Thirty four point one million hired 671 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 11: that Nick Bosa. And when did we see the offseason, 672 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 11: Danel Hunter, Max Crosby, Miles Gary and lately TJ Watt. 673 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 11: And if we're wandering the Bengals, Dan, TJ Watt and 674 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 11: Trey Hendrickson are two months apart in terms of age. 675 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 11: Trey Hendrickson has outproduced TJ Watt over the last two years. 676 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 11: And we know based on everything Pittsburgh has done, from 677 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 11: Aaron Rodgers to DK Metcalf, John hus Smith, Jalen Ramsey, Dan, 678 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 11: They're gonna get DJ Watt done? So why are we waiting? 679 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 11: So I was surprised by Mike Brown's comments, And I 680 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 11: just they had a great off season getting T Higgins 681 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 11: signe to Marty Side. Why not be aggressive and proactive 682 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 11: to get Trey hendricks inside. 683 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like the Eagles gave us the blueprint, 684 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: gave us the blueprint for building a team that Howie 685 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 2: Roseman's done a wonderful job and Jeffrey Lourie and getting 686 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,479 Speaker 2: these contracts done and they don't drag out, I don't 687 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: think do they in Philadelphia. 688 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 11: You're making a great point. No, And look, if we're 689 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 11: in an arms race, we're the Cowboys and we're trying 690 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 11: to catch the Eagles, and we're paying premium prices and 691 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 11: they're getting discount prices. That's why you lose guys like 692 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 11: Jordan Lewis to Jacksonville, the Marcus Lawrence to Seattle. You know, 693 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 11: Adam Schefter mentioned this morning, Dan like, maybe that's they 694 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 11: didn't have the money signed Derrick Henry. So if you 695 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 11: and they've done a nice job of drafting, if you 696 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 11: know you have Cbee Lamb or Dad Prescott or in 697 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 11: this case Parsons, sign them early, you would save tens 698 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 11: of millions of dollars and that translates into keeping more 699 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 11: good players. To your point, which is what the Eagles 700 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 11: have done. 701 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: How tough is it to be a general manager and 702 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: have an owner who speaks. 703 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 9: Well. 704 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 11: Look, I always define the job of being a GM 705 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 11: is the point guard of information. I got to sit 706 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 11: between the head coach and owner and it could be 707 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 11: Dyl Reeves or whomever, and say, hey, look here's where 708 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 11: we are, Here's what's reasonable, here's what they want. You know, 709 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 11: is there a spot that we could all live live 710 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 11: with fight another day? Maybe not ideal. And look, owners 711 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 11: are going to speak, they're certainly, you know, they're entitled 712 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 11: to it. 713 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: Dan. 714 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 11: My whole thing will is if we're speaking, let's just 715 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 11: be aligned on the sound bites and let's never say 716 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 11: anything negative or anything that could be inflammatory to the 717 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 11: other side, especially in the big media markets. I want, 718 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 11: you know, worked in and Jerry Jones is too smart 719 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 11: and too strategic, Like, why would you want to inflame 720 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 11: Micah Parsons or even take a shot at Dak Prescott. 721 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 11: Wasn't like Dak Prescott try to get hurt. You know, 722 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 11: the guy cares deeply. He got hurt. So I was 723 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 11: really surprised for what, you know, what he said. 724 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: But is this how owners really think? We're just hearing 725 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: the quiet part out loud. 726 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 11: That's a fair question. Look, I don't think it's one 727 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 11: size fits all. To be candid, do some owners take 728 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 11: that way yeah, obviously they do. But you know there's 729 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 11: others that all they want to do is, you know, 730 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 11: want to win. They understand the risks involved. Look, the 731 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 11: Content Bary Agreement DAN is a very long and complicated agreement. 732 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 11: All these valuations of the franchises keep going up, so 733 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 11: the asset appreciation is a very big win for the owners, 734 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 11: which it should be. They've taken the risk of ownership 735 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 11: and they should enjoy the upside. Players get their bites 736 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 11: of the apple when they earn it three years and 737 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 11: you know, from their rookie year to get back to 738 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 11: the table. So to me, if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm 739 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 11: very well aware of how much my franchise has got up. 740 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 11: I should fight the players that are busting their tail 741 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 11: for me. And when a guy gets hurt, it is 742 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 11: what it is. Nobody wants it to happen, but that's 743 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 11: just part of the game. 744 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: He's Mike Tannenbaum, the former general manager in the NFL, 745 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: works for the Mothership. How often were you told to 746 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 2: sign somebody that you personally didn't want to sign? 747 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 11: Well, I would say what would be more frequent was 748 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 11: like how much to sign the player for? And again, 749 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 11: you know, we had to sign up in our office 750 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 11: stand in God we trust. For everyone else, we need 751 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 11: data and basically that Simbili. Hey, well, we have disagreements 752 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 11: on who to pay, how much to pay. It's not 753 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 11: gonna be who screams louder, It's gonna be let's get 754 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 11: more information, Let's watch more film, let's do more research, 755 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 11: whatever it may be. And I just felt like if 756 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 11: we kept drilling down into the information that should lead 757 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 11: us to the best decision. It's hard Dan, because valid 758 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 11: do you have ninety players, but it's how much to 759 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 11: pay them, how much of the pie to give a player, 760 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 11: and you're gonna have disagreements on you know, a player's worth. 761 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,919 Speaker 11: And I just felt like the more information we could get, 762 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 11: the less emotional it is, and the more reasonable we 763 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 11: can be getting to a landing spot that makes sense. 764 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: What is the downside of paying Michael Parsons a dollar 765 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 2: more than TJ. 766 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 11: Watt if you're gonna lose other good players, Like when 767 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 11: your cap is two hundred and eighty million, and sixty 768 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 11: is going to dak In forty one or two is 769 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 11: going to you know, Parsons and CD Lambs getting hit 770 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 11: is like you're outwards of you know, one hundred and 771 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 11: thirty thirty five million dollars for three players, and you 772 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 11: know you're gonna have injuries. So that's why to your point, 773 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 11: which I agree with. On a team like the Eagles, 774 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 11: and you have Devontine Smith or a J. Brown that's 775 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 11: get paid the mid twenties and Cde Lambs in the thirties, 776 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 11: that cumulatively adds up and we're seeing more and more 777 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 11: of the top end of these players get more money. 778 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 11: Like if Patrick Mahomes walks into Barron Systey, Andy Reid 779 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 11: either paid me seventy million a year or are gonna retire, 780 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 11: They're gonna pay the seventy million a year that's gonna 781 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 11: cost them. You know, a good guard in Joe Toney 782 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 11: for example. And that's the context of the decisions you 783 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 11: have to make, which is when we pay a star player, 784 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 11: which is a great problem to have, somebody else is 785 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 11: gonna have to leave the roster. 786 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you, Mike, Safe Travels. Thanks 787 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: for joining us. 788 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 11: Appreciate you having me. 789 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 2: Thanks DM, Mike Sanemon