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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories, Done.

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<v Speaker 2>Done, Welcome. It's That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Lisa and I am Kara, And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what we do, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about Law and Order SVU. We talk about

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<v Speaker 3>a true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It's based on We normally interview a guest, but right

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<v Speaker 1>now we are suspending guests while the sag Aftra and

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<v Speaker 1>WGA strikes kind of work themselves out. We really hope

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<v Speaker 1>that they will be resolved soon so we can keep

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you dazzling conversations with celebs, because we do love

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<v Speaker 1>talking to people. But for now, we're just going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the other parts of our podcast that you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>But before that, I'm going to take a minute to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to plug our live tour. We are kicking it

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<v Speaker 1>off in about ten days. We're gonna be in DC

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're gonna be in Atlanta, Raleigh, Charlotte. We

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<v Speaker 1>move on after that to a bunch of other cities. Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 1>come see us. That's a new city. We've never gone

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<v Speaker 1>to Toronto. We've never been to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Salt Lake. We've never been to you Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 1>We're coming to all kinds of new cities as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the old standbys like Boston, New York, Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>We are doing Wilburg.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was about to say, not just Boston, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the motherfucking wilbur fucking Wilburg.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the biggest venue we've ever done.

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<v Speaker 1>We need you guys to come out, bring your bearded husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>bring your friends who have seen Law and Order but

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<v Speaker 1>never watched our podcast. I promise they will have a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. We put on a great show, guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's that's messed up. Live dot com has all the

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<v Speaker 1>ticket links, all the dates, all the cities, all the

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<v Speaker 1>information you could possibly need.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am on a solo tour as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>my birthdays in two days, so I am anticipating some messages.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys. Am I gonna get a little love or what?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's flood the glitter cheese ig with some love babies.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna be thirty six, so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So crazy. I remember thirty six like it was a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was it's a good luck Jewish number.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>It's divisible by you know, eighteen is like a special

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<v Speaker 2>jew number. Okay, and anything divisible by eighteen ooh, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it says at weddings moments was when making

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<v Speaker 2>honorary donations, Jews often give gifts of money in multiples

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<v Speaker 2>of eighteen, symbolically giving the recipient the gift of life

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<v Speaker 2>or luck.

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<v Speaker 3>So interesting, and this is gonna be a lucky, a

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<v Speaker 3>lucky year for you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it says, so make a donation on a

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<v Speaker 2>refriend and then to wish them along life by multiplying

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<v Speaker 2>by eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So huh, Well, I'm about jee. I don't know any

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's from the JCC in Milwaukee. JCC and Milwaukee come

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<v Speaker 1>see us. We're coming through.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I will stop by a lot of time at

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<v Speaker 2>the JCC.

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<v Speaker 3>Me and my dad will play racketball. I love.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get back into it. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get back into any physical activity.

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<v Speaker 1>But are you interested in the craze that's sweeping the

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<v Speaker 1>name show pickleball?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you know, sometimes I'm a follower and I'm basic,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes I'm just like, if everyone likes it, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not getting into it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just don't see myself getting into pickleball.

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<v Speaker 3>But what fun to me?

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like easy tennis, Like I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather play tennis, Like I'd rather play tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>The racket is so hard to hold in tennis. Not

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<v Speaker 3>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's see if there's racketball places, maybe we would

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Racketball is racketball different from squash?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it's it's two different names. But I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I don't know that differences. What's the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between rocketball and squash? Both of the balls are hollow

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<v Speaker 2>and rubber rubber. However, people also asked, I'm at Google

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<v Speaker 2>and it says people also ask does anybody play racquetball anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>It says, can you play a racquetball on a squash court?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The game is played on a standard squash court, but

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<v Speaker 2>unlike squash, you play with a bigger and bouncier blue ball.

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<v Speaker 2>As the racket has a larger head and a shorter handle.

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<v Speaker 2>It is easy to manipulate if you haven't played any

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<v Speaker 2>rackets sports before. Racketball is a great way to start. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love racketball.

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<v Speaker 1>It just looks so much like squash because of the

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<v Speaker 1>clear box that you play in.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah I can see. Yeah, I played in college too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really Yeah, for some some wild reason, I was

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<v Speaker 2>State had racquetball courts and I played.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, amazing, Yeah, it was quite exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, it's so I really feel like my

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<v Speaker 2>brain is Debbie Downer, Like my brain immediately went to like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish everyone had schools with fun stuff, even though

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<v Speaker 2>that's college and you pay for it.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, we're so obviously we're in the time machine

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<v Speaker 1>as usual, but we're like in super time machine right

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<v Speaker 1>now because we're banking a few episodes so we can

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<v Speaker 1>go on a little vac and I so, as of

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<v Speaker 1>right now, we'll be back from our vacation and I

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<v Speaker 1>will allegedly be kick starting a more physical uh some

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<v Speaker 1>more physical activity in my life. That's what my goal

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<v Speaker 1>is for when I get back from my trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's do it together. Let's play some I bought.

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<v Speaker 2>I would also go to boxing with you, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just feel like I'm so out of shape

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<v Speaker 2>that boxing is so intent that I would throw up,

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<v Speaker 2>like cause I've been to lack of fitness, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>would go all the time when I was like more

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<v Speaker 2>physically active, and it is it's hard. It's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>camp and boxing, and it's just a little intimidating when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like I can't even go up the stairs at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think I'll start Tybo.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it, like I would start with Tybo in

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<v Speaker 2>my like now that I have my place clean again,

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<v Speaker 2>like I could do Tybo some Tybo baby. I do

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I do love Tybo. I am a big fan.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never done it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the YouTube, it's really I love Billy Blanks, I

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<v Speaker 2>love the workouts. I really hopefully he's not a molester.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's hard to know you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't love anybody. You can't love anybody. It's really difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>And then even the people that I think were lovable

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<v Speaker 1>icons like Pee Herman who just passed away, like was

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<v Speaker 1>busted masturbating in an adult theater.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like he's a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like everyone's going after the wrong people for

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<v Speaker 1>being perverts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so say it's Tybo advanced and there's like one

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<v Speaker 2>through twelve. I just I love it. Fifty minute advanced workout.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the best one. Am I going to work

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<v Speaker 2>out today?

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<v Speaker 3>Do it?

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<v Speaker 2>The YouTube is on. This is a really wild intro.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just me googling things and iologize you guys deserve

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<v Speaker 2>a more narrative, journalistic, fun intro.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean should I tell?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what's going on? We went and got our

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<v Speaker 1>nails done yesterday? Together, we went and picked up Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar said hi, Lisa and gave you a high five.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think what's been going on? Even, like

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<v Speaker 1>what are what do we have going on?

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<v Speaker 2>It just feels like, I know, even when people are like,

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<v Speaker 2>how's life, I'm like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Good and bad? Like what is life? Some things are amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>some things are terrible. We keep it moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, it's true. Like what everybody's like, how is

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<v Speaker 1>it going? I'm like, I don't know. The former president's

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<v Speaker 1>been indicted three times, but it seems like everything else

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of other things are going.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I don't know, you know what, I'm jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, as of this taping, we are possibly trying

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<v Speaker 1>to procure Beyonce tickets you may be able to get them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in it for an extra if I if there

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be an extra. We are in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of about to start the Tailor Weekend here in LA

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<v Speaker 1>where apparently she's doing I think five or six shows

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<v Speaker 1>in LA and it's supposed to bring in like one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars in income for LA in

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<v Speaker 1>those like six days. It's a wild concert summer. Oprah's

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<v Speaker 1>at Beyonce saying that Beyonce is God. Every time I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on my Instagram, I'm just seeing Beyonce concert footage and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks so fucking awesome and I'm so jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, and that's what got me wanting to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Goggle last summer, which was like all the Insta footage,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, oh, I need to see this show, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what I'm feeling now. A friend reached out.

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<v Speaker 2>He does have a gift, but like the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>getting two tickets and three tickets is huge, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that it kind of is so hard, But I also

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<v Speaker 2>A'm not willing to spend a thousand, Like I'm not, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I would do.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple hundred maybe three, But like, yeah, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't really.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna try to be the sweeper. I'm gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>take all the tickets that people like day of people

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<v Speaker 2>need to get rid of, you know, the resale didn't

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<v Speaker 2>work and I'm on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in my mom group, people are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>sell these tailor tickets for like twenty five hundred dollars each.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so I don't understand why this cannot be capped.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't we make just tickets non transferable, like you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have your ID with you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not that's is that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>It is because I mean I think it's wrong to

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<v Speaker 2>buy tickets with just the idea of reselling, But like

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<v Speaker 2>why if like big companies are doing it, why can't

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<v Speaker 2>an individual do it?

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<v Speaker 1>But like what if you can't if they're using software

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<v Speaker 1>to like cut other people off from getting a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if you buy two tickets and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I could.

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<v Speaker 3>Sell these for so much and make money. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>begrudge you that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're like a scalt a professional scalper that

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<v Speaker 1>has like software that can cut other people, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can go grab up all these tickets and then sell them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a little bit more annoying to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now Ticketmaster and all the sites they're also down

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<v Speaker 2>with it because they have their own resale capability. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so now it's like they're not even going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to stop it. They don't care. Nobody cares. Easy, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it is gross. But like, for to not transfer

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<v Speaker 2>is tough because for me, it's like I had tickets

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<v Speaker 2>to Miley once and then my favorite comic asked me

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<v Speaker 2>to open for him and I had to give my

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<v Speaker 2>tickets away. Yeah, but I just gave them to someone

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't sell that, Like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, by the way, we're supposed to go to Madonna

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<v Speaker 1>in September. Has it been officially canceled?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's for sure rescheduled, and if they don't reschedule

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<v Speaker 2>within sixty days, we're eligible for a refund.

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<v Speaker 3>But not yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of just want the time to really

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't trust her anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she's gonna do it. I think she's lying.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she has an infection. I think she

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<v Speaker 2>is not ready for the door. Really, that is what

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have to go cancel the hotel I reserved

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Oh, it's for sure not happening when we Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just haven't talked about it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like, Oh, I'm so bummed. That was

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be so fun. I know it's really annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely annoying, but listen, let's at this episode. Our

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<v Speaker 2>episode's not annoying. This intro might have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don intro might be all over the place, but

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a great episode for you. This is truly

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best episodes of SVU. I think ever,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a classic. People have been asking for

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<v Speaker 1>it since the beginning, so let's give it to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, today we are doing Totem. That's season twelve, episode twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like getting very close to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>Maloney damn.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it opens up on backpacked teen girls running through

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<v Speaker 2>the streets of New York City and they're like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, hurry, he's gonna catch us. And they duck

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<v Speaker 2>under a couch being carried on the sidewalk, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of high jinks, I would say, some

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<v Speaker 2>little comedy, and they check like a pink tech object

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<v Speaker 2>and they start talking about pirates in the flag and

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<v Speaker 2>we see they are playing a game. They are not

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<v Speaker 2>being chased by a pedophile, So huge news.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is one of like many episodes where people

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<v Speaker 1>are doing like geocashing as like a way of finding

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<v Speaker 1>a body, like.

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<v Speaker 3>This happens like all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or it's like the fake out with horror movies

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<v Speaker 2>being filmed. You know, it's a fake out cat Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one of the girls trips over some luggage

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<v Speaker 2>on the sidewalk and their kids they're like, oh my.

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<v Speaker 3>God, open it. It's it been open.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, there is a body in the suitcase. So

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<v Speaker 2>we immediately get Finn and Benson on the scene, and

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<v Speaker 2>Benson looks incredible this city. I am like blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>She always looks good. But it's an all black outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tight, and the badge is on her hip, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like my favorite way to place a badge. They

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a kid named Marnie because Finn says no

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<v Speaker 2>other kids were reported missing, but that seems impossible that

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<v Speaker 2>only one kid is missing at a time, Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get that. But Melinda's on the case as well.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in a brown beanie kneeled over the body, and

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<v Speaker 2>they check the photo of Marnie to the body and

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<v Speaker 2>it is Marnie, who is a blonde young girl. And

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<v Speaker 2>then a blonde mom runs and is side and saying no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's crying into Finn's arms and she can barely

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<v Speaker 2>breathe through her tears.

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<v Speaker 3>And I couldn't told the crowd to come there.

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<v Speaker 1>Who told the mom, Oh, they found a suitcase, it

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<v Speaker 1>might be your daughter, Like meet me at the morgue, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we talking to them having the mom come

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<v Speaker 1>up on the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. I was in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like, just like, she's in the

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood and the kid has been missing. Yeah, so maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she heard something and the emotion yeah ran maybe. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're back from the credits and we have Benson doing

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<v Speaker 2>a press conference with a ton of media crowded around.

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<v Speaker 2>She explains how Marnie disappeared on her way home from

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<v Speaker 2>school and then the sad news that the body was found,

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<v Speaker 2>and begging the public to contact sv with any information.

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<v Speaker 2>Finn meets her to continue doing the real work, and

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<v Speaker 2>the church where the bag was found in front has

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<v Speaker 2>been very helpful and there's no evidence of a crime

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<v Speaker 2>in there, but patrols are going to canvas and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, check out the church. Anyways, Maloney meets up

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<v Speaker 2>with them and surveillance from the park district has a

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<v Speaker 2>bird's eye view footage of the church. Benson gets a

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<v Speaker 2>ring to her phone and walks away. Maloney and Finn

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<v Speaker 2>watched the footage and they see the Duffel around two pm.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it's like, okay, let's rewind it. Yes, a

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<v Speaker 2>truck is fucking blocking the camera and sadly the person

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<v Speaker 2>did the drop in between one for five and two

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<v Speaker 2>while the truck was blocking the camera. Finn is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>track down the driver of the truck and maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>saw something. Benson reveals the call she got was from Melinda.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants them all to meet with Bete Wong at

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<v Speaker 2>the morgue aka George Wang. Okay, FBI extraordinaire. And we

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<v Speaker 2>go to the morgue and we see a tiny dead

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<v Speaker 2>child and it's a I don't need to see this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like she's on a neck head holding thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly a dead kid. I don't I don't know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Melinda also has bad news that the killer is a

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<v Speaker 2>sexual predator, upsetting evidence evidence of rape, but no fluids,

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<v Speaker 2>hairs or skin cells or lube. So she thinks someone

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<v Speaker 2>used a foreign smooth object and Maloney's like, fuck, So

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's dick didn't work. He had to use an object,

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<v Speaker 2>and he like spits on the morgue floor and discuss

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<v Speaker 2>and Melinda's like, stop spitting on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>JK, that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't happen, but he was disgusted and anyways, so

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<v Speaker 2>the death is traumatic asphyxia, so she was suck suffocated

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<v Speaker 2>but with what And then Jeremy Irons pops out of

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere and he's got something to say even before hello.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes the pillow her head was resting on, and

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<v Speaker 2>Benson knowingly is like, oh, hey, what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know they have history.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is doctor Jackson, and we got to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about doctor Jackson aka Jeremy Irons. We can't like skip

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<v Speaker 2>over this, you know, man with an accent with a

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<v Speaker 2>wild entrance. He was in the episode Mask from the

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<v Speaker 2>same season, but episode thirteen, so seven episodes before this,

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<v Speaker 2>where him and his daughter had a fucked up relationship

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<v Speaker 2>because he thought he was drunk and raped his daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>but actually he just like fucked her friend consensually, but

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<v Speaker 2>also his daughter does.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, anyways, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you What do you think of Jeremy irons from

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<v Speaker 1>when you see him?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, well, yeah, so you know he the IMDb is robust.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say three digits, three digits. He has an

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar Emmy and a Tony So I'm like, baby, go

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<v Speaker 2>dorerate a book, Let's get you a Grammy.

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<v Speaker 3>What the yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But he also what's funny is he has a serbian

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<v Speaker 2>vibe like that basketball player I've been into. He's quoted

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I work to live. I don't live to work.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like al Pacino. And that was like a

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<v Speaker 2>quote in the IMDb. And al Pacino obviously makes me

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<v Speaker 2>think of our former guest Beverly D'Angelo putting her career

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<v Speaker 2>on hold to raise his twins, because, as she said,

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna tell al Pacino to stop?

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<v Speaker 3>I fucking love Beverly D'Angelo.

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<v Speaker 2>He is famously scar from the Lion King, so I

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<v Speaker 2>would say that is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>But to me, since you asked, he's man in the

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<v Speaker 3>Iron mask.

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<v Speaker 2>That was huge for me because it was like the

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<v Speaker 2>first movie post Titanic for Leonardo DiCaprio, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>rushing to the movie theater to see it and I

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<v Speaker 2>would watch it all the time, and I loved like

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<v Speaker 2>the ending was twist, like I loved a man in

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<v Speaker 2>the iron mask. So he that's what he is for me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to answer your question too? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's for me. It's scar also.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also watched Reversal of Fortune when I was

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<v Speaker 1>like way too young about Sonny and Klaus van Bulou

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<v Speaker 1>with he's in it with Glenn.

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<v Speaker 3>Close and he like what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he kills his wife and it's like they're

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<v Speaker 1>like socialites.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a very famous real story. Is there an

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<v Speaker 2>SVU episode based on the crime? Maybe we can count there?

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck and should be.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, she was Sonny van Bulo and he was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted in nineteen ninety two of a nineteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>of attempting to murder her by insulin overdose, but the

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<v Speaker 1>conviction was overturned on appeal. And I just remember, like

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<v Speaker 1>my family would always do like, oh yes, Sonny never

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<v Speaker 1>liked like and it's just like this Jeremy iron voice

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<v Speaker 1>that he always does, like if our mom made us

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd be like Sonny never.

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<v Speaker 1>Liked doing a homework like we would always do Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>Iron's voice. So that's a weird movie that I know

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<v Speaker 1>him from. But I'm sure I know him from like

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of other shit. I've never seen man in

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<v Speaker 1>the Iron Mask though, so oh really put that on

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<v Speaker 1>the old list. Anyway, he should fucking narrate a book.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to listen to a book narrated by him.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a cool voice, you know, oh yeah, thriller.

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<v Speaker 2>And to be honest, he I don't love his care

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need him in SVU.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that bad? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I hope Jeremy doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's good that they just gave him this like

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<v Speaker 1>extra one and then they were out. I'm sure they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, we can't turn down like another chance of

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Irons because that's a pretty big name. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we needed to, like, you know, incorporate him

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<v Speaker 1>into the lore forever.

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<v Speaker 3>But even the story with his daughter is like weird.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's foul mouth, foul mouth whateverth fowlmuth cape cod.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he was Also in the Simpsons season twelve, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a bar rag.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>I know in the episode Moe goes from Rags to Riches,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very Warren Light style title.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's how you know it's season seventeen. Wait, he

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<v Speaker 1>was in House of Gucci. I don't remember that. I

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<v Speaker 1>did like that. I liked to sing that. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it in the theater, I think, or on a plane.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw it on the on a plane, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so he's actually filling in her Huang. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of why Huang's doing him as solid and

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<v Speaker 2>got him some consulting work with the FBI after his

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<v Speaker 2>clinic folded because he was accused of, you know, raping

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<v Speaker 2>his daughter. So but he didn't anyway, Yeah, it would

0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.400
<v Speaker 2>be weird if the detectives were working with him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he just had consensual sex with another teen girl.

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<v Speaker 1>So still not great.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, they're like, so what are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, someone who cared that. You know, she

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<v Speaker 2>was comfortable before she was abandoned silk sheets. She's tucked

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<v Speaker 2>in and there's a doll with her, so Marnie wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel alone. And then we find out from Melinda that

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<v Speaker 2>she was drugged with sleeping pills called zalpadan, so she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel any pain.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is ambient by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, great strong drug, so you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the drop off by the church means that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to atone for the crime, and Jeremy's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the murder was just not to be caught,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, who cares what the motive for the

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<v Speaker 2>murder is. What's a better motive, like to not get

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<v Speaker 2>caught or just to kill for the thrill. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if the kid is dead and blest it. So okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so let you know, we're gonna go look at some

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<v Speaker 2>usual suspects of pedophiles. And then Benson and Sabler leave

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, what the fuck Hwang is in the FBI,

0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Like this guy's never done this before. And Stabler goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's going to bring something to the table, like,

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.920
<v Speaker 2>don't worry, he's a man, he'll help us. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pedophile party at the precinct. All these creepy, classic

0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.359
<v Speaker 2>pedo looking men are at the desks, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>they need to provide alibis and convince the detectives that

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<v Speaker 2>they are not the they're not guilty, show us that

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<v Speaker 2>you are not a criminal. And then, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>one is a teacher and has students, which is fucked

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<v Speaker 2>because he grew up a ten year old that he

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<v Speaker 2>works at and guess where he works as a teacher

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<v Speaker 2>Hudson University.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they hired a fucking person that was convicted

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of molesting a ten year old, but.

0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 3>He has tenure. So that's that.

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Jeremy Iron size Maloney's like, yeah, welcome to the purv parade.

0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 2>That leads to nowhere, and then Irons asks about like

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.880
<v Speaker 2>about the doll, and Stabler goes, okay, well, the doll

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.760
<v Speaker 2>is called Perfect Penny and they stop making it in

0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine, and it wasn't Marnie's. So we got

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 2>to find out where this fucking doll came from. Benson

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 2>joins the conversation to say that the dad is coming

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<v Speaker 2>from from out of town. He was in Honolulu, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a sad long flight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like ten to eleven hours of your daughter being gone,

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<v Speaker 1>and but also your daughter was already missing, so why

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<v Speaker 1>were you still in Hawaii? Yeah, you should have scooted

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<v Speaker 1>home a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows how long she was missing for? Do we know?

0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And even though he was out of town, maybe

0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 2>creeps work in pears, So they're gonna welcome the dad

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<v Speaker 2>home and ambush him after this long sad flight because

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>they think that he worked in a pair and the

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.359
<v Speaker 2>other pair killed his daughter.

0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Stop stop stop.

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.399
<v Speaker 2>So the parents are fighting and yelling outside of like

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.520
<v Speaker 2>a brownstone to their house, and then the dad shoves

0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the mom and the mom kind of falls on the

0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 2>stoop stairs behind her, and then he just begins to

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.720
<v Speaker 2>walk off, and then Finn like goes up to him.

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 2>He swings misses and they arrest him. And his name

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 2>is actually Chet Haddler, So Finn calls him a douchebag

0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I didn't do anything, and Benson's like,

0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 2>you just shoved a dead girl's mother. And so now

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.639
<v Speaker 2>he's in his sell room with bars and he is

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the mom's boyfriend, he is not the dad, and they're

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 2>just dating and Finn is like, babe, for real or

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>in your dreams, and he's like, listen, she was gonna

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>leave her husband and take Marnie and move in with

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>me and Finn is like, why so you can push

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 2>them both around, and he denies being the killer. He's like,

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I did not kill this. I did not kill Marnie.

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>And the mom defends Chet, and the husband is known

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 2>about the affair for two months, so and she keeps

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to dump Chet, like she does not want to

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 2>be with him. She wants to be with her husband

0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:35.959
<v Speaker 2>who knows about the affair, but this check guy won't

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:37.919
<v Speaker 2>go away, and he just thinks that they're meant for

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 2>each other. And Benson is like, do you know he's

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 2>a jailbird and she does not, and he fucking served

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>time for forcible touch of a thirteen year old kid,

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 2>his last girlfriend's kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus. His response was it was that little bitch's idea.

0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 2>So Finn leans in and says, that little bitch told

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 2>me you wanted a threesome. And the mom yelling at Benson,

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:02.879
<v Speaker 2>like how dare you accuse me of a threesome? And

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>she's like, because you already lied to us, and she's like,

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I was at work and she says, well, your boss

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.880
<v Speaker 2>says different and that you left after lunch and she's

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>like fine, okay, and it's like your daughter is dead

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and was missing, Like, why are you lying to investigators

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>to keep him affair?

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, it's truly wild to me.

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 2>So she finally admits the truth that her and Chat

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 2>checked into a hotel at one point thirty and they

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 2>were in bed while Marty disappeared, and finally she starts

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to cry.

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Benson seems sad.

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>There's a walk and talk with Benson and Stabler, and

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I just really love Benson again, Like, I just like

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.440
<v Speaker 2>love the way she looks in this episode, and Stabler

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>is most Stabler. He goes, great, she's getting laid while

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 2>her daughter is raped and murdered.

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Who's gonna tell the dad?

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.479
<v Speaker 2>So now we're in a brainstorm session and Jeremy Irons

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 2>gives a suggestion that like a mic drop moment, he

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 2>thinks the attacker is a woman. Women rapists are rare

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 2>but not unheard of. So now let's hear why he's

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's the same shit. It's like the killer made

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>sure that the child was asleep wrapped in the silk,

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the pink pillow, like there's a doll. And they're like, well,

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 2>we've seen men perverts do this all the time to

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 2>lour kids. He goes, yeah, but there's no sign of

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>penile penetration or DNA, and sailors like sure, but like

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>it was an object. Men can use objects too, like

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't see this, And so then the detectives can

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>count on two hands the years of like female and

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>female molestation, and they have never arrested a woman's solo

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 2>for sodomizing and raping a girl. But he just feels

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 2>it's a woman who wanted the dead to be safe

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>with God. And he just really thinks the killer is

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 2>a woman, but the detectives are not convinced. But then

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the music starts playing out into commercial and now we're back,

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and we're with Jeremy sipping out of a mug and

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 2>thanking Benson for the flowers that she sent for his

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.400
<v Speaker 2>daughter's funeral. She changes the subject quickly, and they plan

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.959
<v Speaker 2>Benson's flower budget must be like off the charts. If

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 2>she's sending flowers to all the people she meets who

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>have death, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, And then she

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>asked if there's any plan to bring back the clinic,

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, haven't you heard I'm a charlatan. He

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>violated confidentiality of patients, and Benson is like, you saved

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>your patients from a killer and he's like, yeah, but

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't save my daughter because yeah, so the episode Mask,

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>he runs a support group for sex crimes, like like

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>an AA group, but for sex criminals, and one of

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the criminals is the one that killed his daughter, and

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, Stabler went undercover. There was just like a

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of shadiness in the episode. But yeah, he's said

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't save his daughter. This is a really intense chat.

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>And so he brings it back to the case and

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>he's like, Okay, what kind of cases do you do

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>without men? Since most Haven men involved somehow and she

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 2>says it's usually a Missus Robinson type who seduces teenage

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 2>boys and so it's like teachers in love. Irons is like, yeah,

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 2>but women who abuse girls are different than those who

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>abuse boys, and she's like, yes, there's there are very

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 2>few and they're appalled by their own actions. But have

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>any killed the girls? And he said twice, but both

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>types they were sociopaths, Like this killer is different and

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 2>doesn't give me socio vibes and he goes, she had

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>genuine care and tenderness and Benson, it fucking finally hits her.

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 3>She goes, oh my god, our purp was abused herself. Duh.

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 2>And he thinks the clue to the psyche of the

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>abuse and the killer and everything is the perfect Penny

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>doll and he says, totem okay, So it's a totem

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>for innocence that.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Her abuser stole from her.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 2>And they have to talk to every woman in Marnie's life,

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and finally Benson is convinced. So we go to the

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>home and talk to the nanny housekeeper type and she

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>is sad and she has an alibi and she says, Monday,

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 2>after school, Marnie has piano lessons, so that we talk

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>to a blonde woman who is famous. Her name is

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Mitchell, and she's playing the piano teacher and she

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>has like bad posture, nervous enter, and whatever outfit you're

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 2>picturing for a piano teacher, she's wearing it. So and

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>she's also in another sv episode. She's in season four,

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>episode fourteen Mercy, and it's the Tay Sacks baby Cooler episode.

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And she was in fifty seven episodes of Lost, fourteen

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.719
<v Speaker 2>episodes of Er. She's just like a prolific TV actress.

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, I don't know her from anything,

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.719
<v Speaker 1>but Jared saw me watching this episode and goes, I

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>know her. And it's probably because she was in the

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Expanse or something. She's in some sci fi stuff.

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so she's playing this piano lady and she's

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>crying and she's like so upset by the death and

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>that she's saying that Marnie's mom canceled the piano lesson

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>last Monday. And she starts babbling and babbling, and we

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>learned that her parents died in a car crash when

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>she was seventeen, and she hasn't changed anything in the

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>house since, and that's why it's like old timey looking.

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>And she has photos of Marnie and she's like, Marnie

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>had perfect posture and hand position. She was such a

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>natural talent, and like, would she be less sad she

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>was bad at piano. Now we talk in front of

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>sports trophies with a school employee and Jeremy Irons, and

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>this girl was an amazing athlete with great sportsmanship too.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 2>The whole school is obsessed with her and she has

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>not one enemy. So all the teachers have alibis and

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 2>they're like okay. So everyone thinks this kid is great.

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.719
<v Speaker 2>The teachers all have alibis, like what the fuck are

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>we gonna do? And so then it's like, okay, well

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.719
<v Speaker 2>this person is like super under the radar, like you know,

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 2>but maybe they'll come to the funeral, So let's go

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>to the funeral.

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Classics.

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>So they go to the big church funeral, white casket,

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler and Irons could not look more like cops,

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>but everyone is there, and then Benson sees a woman

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 2>bolting and holy shit, it's the piano teacher in the

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>crowd outside. She did not go into the church service,

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>so that's suspicious, and so they, like, you know, they

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>try to talk to her, but she runs the fuck off.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>So you're a suspect now, bitch. And her name is

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>June Frye and she's thirty seven years old. She has

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>no police record and never married. And the brownstone is

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>around the corner from the church. The mom denies canceling

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the piano lesson on Monday and says quite the opposite,

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that she called to cancel around two pm, and so

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>she also blew off a bunch of other students that day,

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.719
<v Speaker 2>and Irons asks if June canceled the lesson and why like,

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>why did Marnie show up? And it's because the school

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>secretary forgot to deliver the message, so Marnie just like

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>could have just walked there. So they think that, you know,

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 2>so June called canceled the lesson. The secretary didn't say something,

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Marnie walked over there. Uh oh, this case is really

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>coming together. The school secretary probably feels pretty guilty.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 3>I hope. It's like, do your fucking job.

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>So we got to get a search warrant for her brownstone,

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and Iron, showing his lack of expertise, is like, let's

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 2>just ask her to see it, and they're like, babe,

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>then it can't be evidence in court, like she might

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>destroy evidence if she knows we're on to her.

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, well, she knows we're onto her.

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>She ran away from us at the church, Like what,

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 2>And I mean it's not like Sbu loves following rules anyways.

0:30:58.360 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>So they're convinced and they're like, yeah, let's just go

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>over there. So they knock, knock, knock, and we hear

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>piano music playing, and then a blonde woman with barettes

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>and a sweater is flabbergacid and is like, what do

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.959
<v Speaker 2>you want now, and Benson's like, babe, we need your

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>help and she's like please, and she says I can't. Please,

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>don't come here again. And Jeremy Irons tries to connect, like, oh, piano,

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I like piano so and that's I guess enough to connect,

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but she says it's too painful, like I can't talk

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>about this, and he's like, well, what if it helps

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>us get like who did this to her? It'll only

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 2>take a few minutes. So she lets them in and

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>it so he asks her for tea. She goes to

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>put water on and Stabler goes to the bat like

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom downstairs.

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 3>So they're like they're being shady.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>So Stabler explains to Jeremy Irons, like anything that we

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>find without opening a drawer or opening a door is

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>fair game. They see old magazines, it's like time truly

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>stop thirty years ago in this house, and he is like,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>something happened here that brought her like to a screeching halt.

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And he says he sees a blonde curl on music

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 2>notes that's haunting. It's a fake curl of hair, but

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>it could be perfect. Pennies so the men also they

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>see a pink pillow that's the same that was found

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>with her, and they smell bleach and they notice through

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the window, the basement window, that she's taken out the garbage.

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>She's upstairs just playing piano as everyone's ridding around, and

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson is listening and compliments her and is like, oh cool.

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 2>As the men dig through the trash, and then another

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>luggage piece from the set and it's a wooden spoon,

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>and Benson on Walkie we hear says rush a bus

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 2>to four fifty one Hamilton Terrace and Maloney hears it

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>on the radio while digging in the trash, and it's like,

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is going on? And she had a

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 2>cardiac arrest. She was playing and just collapsed. She's not breathing,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and Irons does CPR, like holy shit, what is about

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to happen? And then they see the pill bottle and

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the canister is empty and it's the zolpadan the what

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>is it the generic?

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>But is it generic? Ambient is a brand name for yes,

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>zolpid the generic.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, someone's on a budget, someone, someone's on an HMO.

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>And she said, tell Marnie's parents I'm sorry. And so

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>this case is wrapping up, but we still have a

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>chunk of the episode, so like what's gonna happen?

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 3>But she is pissed.

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 2>She is really pissed that they saved her and she

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>wants to be dead. And they share with her all

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the evidence of the crime that they have and she

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>covers her eyes and is like, please, please, please just

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>leave me alone. And he says, June, I know you

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 2>love Marnie, but give her parents some peace and tell

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>them why. And she's just like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>She said, I will die before I talk about Marnie.

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>And they did find Marnie's prints up in the room,

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>but like also dozens of kids that play piano there,

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>so that like that can't be proof. They have like

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>no proof that connects her to anything. But she does

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>have a secret.

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 3>We can tell.

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 2>She's so nervous and she just tried to take her

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>own life. But so we have to unlock the door

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to her secrets. And they all look at Jeremy Irons.

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 2>They're like, you're the sweet talker here. It worked once.

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>You know you can on piano, so you go give

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.719
<v Speaker 2>it a shot. So he puts the doll on an

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>office chair in the wood blind's room. She is like,

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I already told you. I'm not saying shit. You should

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>have let me die. And she is like there is

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>nothing to talk about. And he's like, well, how about

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 2>why you tried to take your own life? And she's like, oh,

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you're a psychologist, aren't you. And he goes, Nope, a psychiatrist.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Same deal except a few more days of medical school.

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't know that.

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, psychiatrist is is a longer thing because you

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>can prescribe medication.

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it totally makes sense. I just never really thought

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>about it. Well, I had a wild thing, so I

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 2>have my never ending row of issues. So I picked

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>up two prescriptions yesterday and the pharmacist gave me directions

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>on how to use it, but the doctor in my

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>portal gave me different directions. And I was like, who

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 2>do you listen to the pharmacist or the doctor. I

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 2>feel like this is a curb episode or like Seinfelder's. Yeah,

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>but and so I messaged the doctor back and the

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>doctor wants what he wants. But I was just like

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>wondering about that yesterday.

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Also the other day, the pharmacists said Okay, this is

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a thirty day supply, and I go, this is a

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>ten day supply. She goes, it says thirty and like

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>it was a ten day supply. So who knows so

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>well shaved to pharmacists.

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's definite shave to pharmacists, because so psychiatrists have

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>to learn psychology and then they have to learn everything

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 2>that pharmacists learn.

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Is that it I think I would assume.

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so are they going to make as dumb mistakes

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>as the pharmacist did yesterday?

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Anyways, she is not having it.

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>She goes, you know why people end their lives and

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>he goes, yeah, they have too much pain that they

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>can bear, that they can't bear, and they think that

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>throwing in the towel is easier than dealing with what

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 2>is the cause of the pain. And she says she

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.919
<v Speaker 2>doesn't deserve to live. He asks when she started playing

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>piano five years old, her mother taught her, and that

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 2>she was an only child, and he asks if she

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>treasured her And she used to read her stories fairy

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 2>tales and called her my little princess. And the doll

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>just keeps sitting there like a little chucky, like a

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 2>little well, dressed.

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Chucky ha, and.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.399
<v Speaker 2>He brings her on to the table and the doll

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 2>stares at Blondie and he then asks about the dad

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, I don't want to talk about him,

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and he pushes. He's like, do you remember you know

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>when he gave you the doll? And he is he

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>caressing the doll, and she grabs the doll away from

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.839
<v Speaker 2>him and says, stop torturing me. She yells, you don't

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>know anything about how I feel, and maybe I should

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 2>ask for a lawyer, and he says, oh, well, we're talking,

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 2>you don't need a lawyer, and then knock knock on

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the mirror like the fastest. But then she's distressed. She's like, wait, wait,

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 2>people are watching us. What And he walks out and

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>is like, why the hell did you do that? And

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they're like, babe, you can This is like cop one,

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:50.959
<v Speaker 2>oh one. If they ask for a lawyer, you shut

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the fuck up because we can't use anything.

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 3>She says.

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 2>After that in court, he's like, well, you're an agent

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of the police, like I'm not, and they're like, you

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>need to listen to us, and he's like he's like, well,

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 2>if I act legally and change her mind is that okay?

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, yeah, if you can change her mind legally,

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 2>So he goes back there and he tries to trick

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 2>her into giving up her rights. He makes the show

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 2>of saying how he can't talk, and he has to

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 2>grab his jacket and he's out of there, and it's like, baby,

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>you didn't even want to talk anyways, Like why are

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 2>like why would this work? You know?

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Suddenly she's like wait, wait, wait, where are you going?

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 2>I loved talking And her thing is like she would

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>just like rather talk to him than anyone that's on

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the mirror, and so she waves

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>her because he like knows about show pain or whatever. Yeah,

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 2>it always is so funny the way they connect to

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 2>people who just like do not want to be connected

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 2>by such a tidy little thing. But she also doesn't

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 2>want them watching, so he tells her, like, why don't

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>we sit on this couch on the other side of

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the room. They won't be able to see you there.

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And I can't tell if that's a lie or not,

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I think it's a lie. So he says he

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 2>knows about family pain, that his daughter stops speaking to

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 2>him at age sixteen and him for twenty years, his

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 2>little Anne, And she asked what happened and he says

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that she was attacked by somebody who works with him,

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 2>and she died. Oh, yeah, it was one of the

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>pedophile the secretary.

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a guy that worked for him. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.879
<v Speaker 3>that's what it was. She was attacked by. I mean,

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 3>SVW is so good and why did she hate him?

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 2>So he said he was addicted to sex and alcohol

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:25.879
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't do anything bad, but for twenty years

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>he thought he did and nobody should have to live

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>with shame like that, and he understands how that feels.

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Her body language is very like childlike, and she said

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 2>that she was seven her dad came into her room

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>at bedtime and he told her how special she was

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and that she was the most important thing in his

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>life and he wanted to give her a present and

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 2>that present was the doll Penny Perfect. And then he's like, oh,

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 2>and he got into bed with you, and she starts

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to cry and says, it's my fault because I knew

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>it was wrong. But he said we couldn't tell anyone

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 2>because nobody would understand. And he takes out, he takes

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>a photo of Marnie, and he's like, is that why

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>you gave her the doll? To keep her safe? And

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 2>she's just crying and crying. It wasn't supposed to happen.

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>So she looks at the photo of Marnie and she

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 2>says to the photo, why did you come to my house?

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I told your mother not to send you, that you

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't come, and you would be fine if you hadn't

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>come to my house. And she cries and caresses the

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 2>photo and Jeremy Irons looks at her. And she gave

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Marnie the milk with the pills, and then they sat

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 2>at the piano and she started to drift off and

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that's when she took the wooden spoon, and so Marnie

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 2>was like crying. It was like, I'm going to tell

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>my mom. And that's when she was like, oh, you

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>can't tell your mom. And so that's why the pillow

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the sheets got cozy and go be with God. She

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>starts ugly crying so much wetness. She keeps saying I'm sorry,

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, and she collapses in sadness, and we take

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>a little blackout moment and we're back and she's sleeping

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 2>on the couch with the doll in the blind's room,

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 2>and behind the blinds is the whole group talking shit

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.439
<v Speaker 2>about her. So at first they're like, yes, hell, yes,

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 2>we got a confession. We got to get her in

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the system and take her ass to jail. And He's like, jail,

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>but what if she tries to take her life again?

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna keep her on watch in the room.

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 2>She gets on her knees and asks God for forgiveness, like,

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 2>please please comfort Marnie's precious soul and those that needed

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>my comfort and protection and I couldn't give it to them.

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 2>And Benson goes, wait, what them? Who is them? How

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 2>many lives has she ruined? We got to talk to them.

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 2>So they do a collage of young piano girls and

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>they all love her. And then we end with like

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 2>a nice crisp outdoor walk and it's with Stabler and

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.879
<v Speaker 2>this punk rock team girl who outgrew her lessons because

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>she just wanted to hang out with her friends.

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Which is this actress is Dylan Glula who is from

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Kimmy Schmidt. Oh okay, and I've actually met her. We

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>did a stage reading and she's super funny. She's really

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>funny on Twitter.

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Actually, this girl, oh fun, Yeah, she does seem fun.

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a breath of like fresh air in this up

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 2>sode of sadness and she's just like walking the dog

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:05.879
<v Speaker 2>streaks in her hair. And he asked if she ever

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>made her feel uncomfortable. She's like, no, except for the

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>last Monday when she blew her off. Her mom called

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 2>her to be like, bitch, get home. That girl was kidnapped.

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And on her way home, she saw June arguing with

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.720
<v Speaker 2>an old woman and they were fighting, and she ignored

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 2>her when she said hi, to continue arguing with this

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>old lady with a cane. And then the old lady

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>goes up to the stoop with June. So, holy smokes,

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? So was that clear? So basically, you know,

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>all the Monday lessons were canceled. And then she's walking

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>around and sees June on the stoop I arguing with

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>this woman who then enters the home. So now the

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.879
<v Speaker 2>team is in the priest think with some connections to make.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 2>And what they figure out is the dad died, but

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>guess what, the mom didn't and she remarried, so June lied.

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 2>The mom's name is Elaine fry Cavanaugh bad last name,

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and she's alive and well in Brooklyn. She's was a

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 2>legal clerk for thirty years and has been on disability

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.280
<v Speaker 2>since two thousand and four when she slipped and fell.

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 2>But like, why would you lie about your mom being dead?

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And well, she wanted her to be dead, so maybe

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like not protecting her from the dad, and so

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>she's mad at the mom and it's like, I'd rather

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 2>you be dead in my brain than deal with the

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 2>fact that you suck.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 3>And again I wrote, again, Benson looks so good. What's wrong?

0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Stabler is like, well, what if the mom molested her?

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And Irons is like, yeah, a lot of times girls

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 2>lie and say it's the dad because it's just too

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 2>much for them, like to say the mom and like

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>no one could believe it, So maybe she like lied

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>about that. So maybe that like she didn't call the

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:43.680
<v Speaker 2>mom to help with the body or anything, but the

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>mom was already there and Marnie came over, and that's

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 2>why she didn't want Marne coming over because the mom

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 2>is such an evil bitch. And June's mom killed Marty,

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 2>so that's like a new idea. So now they go

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 2>to the limping mother's house and they tell her that

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>June says she's dead and she chuckles it off and says, well,

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that's tip goal. There's a huge like art and stairs.

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>This is a really big house, so I feel like

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 2>there's money there because the art is just it looks

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>like an art that would be at like a skyscraper

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>bank building. It's like a giant, giant piece because even

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>if it's bad art, that's not cheap. So current husband Grant,

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.479
<v Speaker 2>so you know, she got remarried. He died last year

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 2>and he says that he was just as weak and

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>useless as husband number one. She connects to Stabler having

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>kids and like she's firm but fair, but perfection is hard,

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.760
<v Speaker 2>but we got to get perfect. And Benson's like, oh,

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 2>did the handle of the spoon help with that? And

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the mom's face changes and is like, oh, try me, bitch,

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and she goes tell me what that means, and she says,

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you weren't teaching her how to bake cookies, and Stabler says,

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>or Marnie for that matter, and she's like what the

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.959
<v Speaker 2>girl who died. They're like, stop pretending like you don't

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>know who she is, and she is like, what are

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>you accusing me of? And Stabler's like, listen, why did

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>you go to our house Monday? It doesn't seem like

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>she likes you at all. And she's like, don't presume

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 2>how my daughter feels about me, and Benson nails into

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 2>her and tears well into this woman's eyes, like in

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.240
<v Speaker 2>an amazing way, I like this actress. And what's presumptuous

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>is after the horror show you put her through, that

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>you made her clean up your mess and she goes,

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I do not make messes. So what happened with Martie?

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you drug her and use the spoon on her?

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And she yells out that she's gonna call her lawyer,

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and then up the stairs runs a girl named Katie

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>and the mom yells, tell them where I was Monday?

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Tell them? Okay, So this Katie Kavanaugh character, she's a

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 2>friend of the pot. She was a guest. Her name

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.320
<v Speaker 2>is Agatha. That's not her name. Her name is not

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>a Gappa. Her name is Agatha new Wiki and she's

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 2>from the episode in Prison Lives, and.

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 3>We love her.

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:50.280
<v Speaker 2>She's a great actress. She's an incredible actress. We really

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed our interview with her and in Prison Lives is

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:55.359
<v Speaker 2>based on the what's his name?

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Abel?

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Didn't I keep calling him the wrong name in that episode?

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>It's the Cleveland man Ariel Castro right, yes, and I

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 2>kept calling him Abel and I feel like you had

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to be like, it's Aeriel.

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Please stop.

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>So the mom like I said, I loved her, We

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:13.399
<v Speaker 2>had Agatha, we love her. Lisa Baynes is playing the mom.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Sadly she did pass in twenty twenty one, but she

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>had eighty five credits and she was a theater darling

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>who won many awards, and we can see why. So

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the mom to Katie says, tell them where I was

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Monday and how I got there? And Katie says that

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>she had a bridge tournament up in Stanford and she

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 2>drove her up and dropped her off, and sailor goes, oh,

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>you have two daughters, and she says, yes, one by

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Roger and one by Grant.

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Is that a crime? And Katie cries, what do you

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 3>people want?

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do anything, and mom says, Katie, shut your mouth.

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Benson says no, keep talking, and she screams, you don't

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 2>need to be here, don't you get it? She cries

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and runs down the stairs. No no, no, no, no,

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 2>no no, and closes herself in the closet of a

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:57.800
<v Speaker 2>room in the basement and rocks back and forth crying.

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 2>So she clearly has some problems, like why are you

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 2>running away? Benson asks, is this your bedroom? And she

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>goes yes, and then the mom limps down and says,

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>leave my little girl alone and get out of my bedroom.

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Done done. So the mom looks pissed and she's breathing deep.

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, she had to, like, you know, limp and

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 2>cane her way down the stairs and my god, and

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 2>then Benson goes, oh my god. So we go straight

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:24.839
<v Speaker 2>to Riker's and Blondie is like, why did you come?

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I told you everything and they're like, but not the truth.

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 2>You don't belong here and you never did. And she

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>calls the guard to take her back and says, I

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.719
<v Speaker 2>did a terrible thing. I deserve to be in jail,

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, listen, we know you put her in

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the Duffel, but you didn't kill her. And her sister

0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>comes in and says, why did you tell them? And

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>she says, I didn't. I promise Katie, I didn't. And

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 2>then they hug and then June is like crying and

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 2>apologizing to Katie like I'm sorry, I shouldn't have left.

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 2>So basically like she just feels really guilty because she

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>ran away and goes, I left you, I should have

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 2>stayed to protect you. And Benson and all of them

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.760
<v Speaker 2>are like, girl, your mom sucks. It's not your fault.

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Like June, it is not your fault. So now we

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 2>go talk to Katie and see what's up with Katie.

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>So Katie says that June that she wanted to go

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>over to her house, but June said that she'd be

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>out for a while and she was gone from the house,

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 2>so just let yourself in and I'll meet you there soon,

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and that she had canceled her piano the first piano

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 2>lesson to let Katie come over.

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 3>But when Katie got to.

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>The house, the little student was on the porch and

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 2>she had seen her before, so she went inside and

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>she was so cute and innocent and sweet, and she

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know why, but suddenly she asked her if she

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 2>could take her clothes off, and she's confessing all of

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 2>this right now. So the girl said no and tried

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to leave, and so she got real mad, but she

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't want her to feel bad, so she went into

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the kitchen, got pills, got the wooden spoon like the woman,

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>like the mom did, and then June came home.

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 3>And saw what she had done.

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 2>June listens at the spy window and then Benson lets

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.359
<v Speaker 2>her know like she's gonna have to testify against her

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 2>half sister. Benson says they will send her to a

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 2>psychiatric facility, but she will never be free again, and

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the mother will be going to jail for the ongoing abuse.

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Since the daughter and mom share a bed. Katie tries

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to talk to June through the mirror and says, I

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.160
<v Speaker 2>will always love you. You will always be my sister.

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>June thinks things are her fault and how how I

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>can't and she forgive herself, but Jeremy Irons on the

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 2>way out, says, you can start by having me help you. Try,

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and he puts his arm around her and they walk

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:26.240
<v Speaker 2>out and Benson, I feel like look suspicious but maybe

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I maybe not.

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And She's just like, Wow, this is such a fucked

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>up situation.

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 3>I hope this guy can help that crazy woman. Yeah.

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she was just protecting her sister who she

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 2>couldn't protect when she was a child, so she wants

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to make up for it.

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:48.399
<v Speaker 3>And that's that. It is a wild It's a wild one.

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:49.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a wild one. All right.

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:53.399
<v Speaker 1>We got a true crime to cover when we come back,

0:48:53.760 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 1>So don't go anywhere after these messages.

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>This episode is based on a crime that happened in Tracy, California,

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>which is northern California. It's like closer to like Stockton

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 1>and modesto like east of San Francisco. An eight year

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>old girl named Sandra Cantu disappeared in March of two

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine. She lived at a mobile home park

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>called Orchard Estates with her mom, her grandparents, and three

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>older siblings. And so March twenty seventh of nine, this

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 1>little second grader played at a friend's house till four pm.

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Then she came home and left, saying she was going

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to go play at another friend's house. And when she

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't come home for dinner, her family reported her missing

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>shortly before eight o'clock that night. And there was this

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 1>piece of surveillance footage of Sandra crossing the street in

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 1>front of her home and that was the last time

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>she was seen alive. And this was being played on

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>tons of national news stations. Everyone's looking for her, reminiscent

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of like the Mornie being missing. Cops searched the mobile

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>home park for her, but they got nothing, and so

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 1>they called in the FBI, and then the weekend that

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 1>she was gone was twenty eight twenty nine of March.

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 1>They brought in police dogs, equestrian teams, ATVs, a helicopter,

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of shit to help with the search, and

0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a twenty two thousand dollars reward was offered as well.

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Police started to.

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Become suspicious at one point of a woman named Melissa Huckabee,

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.240
<v Speaker 1>who was a twenty eight year old Sunday school teacher

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 1>who also lived at this mobile home park and her

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>daughter was friends with Sandra, the girl who disappeared.

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 3>On the day of.

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Sandra's disappearance, Huckaby sent a text to Sandra's mom that said,

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>quote tell the police that I had something stolen around

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:48.800
<v Speaker 1>four PM. I don't know if that makes a difference

0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>or not. I don't This text is weird, I don't know.

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 1>The next day, at a vigil for Sandra, Melissa Huckaby

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>approached police and FBI agents to report that she had

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>found a note on the ground and they said that

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>she was acting quote very agitated, crying, hyperventilating. The note

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 1>read quote can two locked in stolen suitcase, stolen spelled incorrectly,

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:17.840
<v Speaker 1>thrown in water on on spelled incorrectly but Ketty or

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Bacchetti Road and Whitehall Road period witness period.

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 3>So that's what this note says.

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Cantu locked in stolen suitcase, thrown in water on Buketty

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Road and Whitehall Road witness. Another lead popped up when

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a couple told police that they saw Huckabye at a

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.839
<v Speaker 1>pond on their property on Bucketty Road and Whitehall Road

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 1>between five point thirty and six pm on the day

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of Sandra's disappearance. They later recognized huckaby on television and

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:46.399
<v Speaker 1>that's when they decided to go to the cops and say, hey,

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 1>we saw this woman. They told the police that she

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.440
<v Speaker 1>was distracted and hurried, and that the woman said I

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 1>just had to pee real quick, so they probably thought

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing of it.

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 3>But then when they saw.

0:51:56.880 --> 0:52:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Her on TV like probably making comments she was eager

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.400
<v Speaker 1>to be involved in this case, they went to the

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 1>cops and said that they saw her. Police kept reviewing

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.959
<v Speaker 1>footage from surveillance cameras outside of Sandra's house, and here's

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the timeline from the day she disappeared three point fifty four.

0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Around when she gets home from.

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>The first playdate that she did, she starts walking towards

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Huckabe's residence. Eight minutes later, at four oh two, Huckaby's

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 1>SVU SUV goes driving out in the opposite direction. Right

0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>around then, Huckaby called the trailer park manager to report

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that a suitcase, an Eddie Bauer suitcase, had been stolen

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.879
<v Speaker 1>from her trailer. As a former heavy shopper at Eddie

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Bauer as a child, this resonates with me.

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:43.760
<v Speaker 2>We used to always have to go to Eddie Power,

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>so we didn't always go to Eddie Bauer. But there

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 2>was this one person that I wanted so bad, like

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:49.720
<v Speaker 2>this other girl Julia had it, and I just wanted

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it so bad and I did get it, did you Like?

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 3>They were like.

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 2>These little purses and they had like a bat like

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.759
<v Speaker 2>a plastic clippy thing and they would open the head

0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 2>netting in it and it was like they were flat

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 2>and cool. I don't know, I just felt like the

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 2>coolest girl with my Eddie Bauer purse.

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:06.959
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I don't remember it was an Eddie

0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Bauer purse.

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I wonder if I'm ever gonna be able to

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.400
<v Speaker 1>find it. I'm sure it's like on eBay somewhere or something.

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I had an Eddie Bauer backpack when I

0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>really wanted an llban.

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 2>We're right, that's so funny. I just googled it and

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.879
<v Speaker 2>it showed up on eBay. But it wasn't this color. Okay,

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna send you the link, like I mean, I

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:29.919
<v Speaker 2>need to see this. Mine was dark blue, like it's

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 2>not a but it was like this.

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen these. Yeah, because these

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:35.680
<v Speaker 3>are like travel.

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.799
<v Speaker 1>They're for travel, right, like your people wear these under

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:40.240
<v Speaker 1>their clothes when they travel.

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:42.799
<v Speaker 3>But I I wore it to school. I loved it.

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I loved it. I get I have all my lipsmackers

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:46.319
<v Speaker 3>in there.

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Tourists are like trying not to get their passports stolen,

0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>and these is like so many compartments for my lip gloss.

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:53.359
<v Speaker 3>Love it.

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Eddie Bower suitcase is stolen. She calls right

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.600
<v Speaker 1>around the time to report the suitcase stolen, around five

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>point thirty she's caught on camera driving away from the

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 1>church where she taught Sunday school and from between five

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>thirty and six is when that couple said they saw

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>her acting weird by this irrigation pond, and then around

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:17.879
<v Speaker 1>six o'clock she returned to the church. So Huckabee also

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 1>had a history of mental health issues, including borderline personality disorder,

0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia. But the cops thought her behavior

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:26.799
<v Speaker 1>was just like she was looking for attention and like

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be involved in this big thing like they

0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:32.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't make They didn't consider her a suspect at all

0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>until they found the body on April sixth, about you know,

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:39.919
<v Speaker 1>nine days after she went missing. Her body was found

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in a suitcase in a pond that was being routinely drained.

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 3>It was like an irrigation pond. And the autopsy.

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Found that she had been beaten and sexually abused with

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a foreign object before being smothered. So the pathology report,

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 1>like after later, the pathology report came out like all

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the details of the case were unsealed, and it turned

0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:00.920
<v Speaker 1>out she had been strangled with a torn piece of

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:03.319
<v Speaker 1>cloth that had been knotted into a noose and that

0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the cause of death was homicidal asphyxiation, which in the episode,

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I think they call it traumatic.

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Asphyxiation, so I thought it was interesting.

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like a similar and the tuxacology report found ALPRASLAMB

0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in her system, which is xanax. So in this episode

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 1>they decided to go with ambient, but in real life

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it was alprasalamb which is xanax. So the FBI profile

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of the killer at first, much like the cops in

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 1>this episode, was a white male age twenty five to

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 1>forty with a criminal history of sexual assault or you know,

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:38.480
<v Speaker 1>child pornography charges, and then the deputy district Attorney Thomas

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Tesla said, quote we thought there was no way a

0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:43.920
<v Speaker 1>woman would do these things end quote. So after the

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 1>body was found in the suitcase that was alluded to

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in the note that Huckabee gave the police, they started

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.920
<v Speaker 1>looking harder at her. They were like, like, why would

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you know the only person that's talked about a suitcase

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.280
<v Speaker 1>is this woman, and she had a suitcase go missing

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and that's where the girl was found.

0:55:58.520 --> 0:55:59.399
<v Speaker 3>This is all too much.

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>She was trying to pretend like the person who sold

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the suitcase did this.

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but also some people thought she was like

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>also maybe trying because she had been so anxious to

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 1>be involved, that maybe she was trying to be like

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm the one that solved it, you know, by giving

0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>them the note, like I.

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Solved it, you know.

0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:18.919
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of there's a lot of mental

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.759
<v Speaker 1>health stuff going on with this woman as well. So

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 1>FBI agents searched the church and collected a rolling pin

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 1>from the kitchen, which was reportedly had a bloody smudge

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:31.319
<v Speaker 1>on it as well as a bent handle, and that

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>rolling pin did test positive for Sandra's DNA.

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 3>Horrible. So, during an.

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 1>April sixth search of Huckabee's home after the suitcase had

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:44.239
<v Speaker 1>been recovered, they found a notebook with the title. The

0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>cover of the notebook said quote cute but psycho things

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 1>will even out, And inside the notebook they found like

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:54.640
<v Speaker 1>pages where clearly the indentation came from the letters, like

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 1>she had written the note, like you know, you can

0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 1>just like do pencil to see like who wrote the

0:56:58.880 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>note before you.

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:00.760
<v Speaker 3>That's based what happened.

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:04.279
<v Speaker 1>So they brought her all of this crazy evidence, and

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Huckabee sort of confessed at first, she said that Sandra

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:10.359
<v Speaker 1>had hid in the suitcase as part of a game,

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:12.640
<v Speaker 1>but then stayed there too long and suffocated, And like

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>none of that matches up with the timeline at all,

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Like what actually happened was like when they caught her

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 1>on camera at three fifty four walking towards the house,

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 1>she got in the car with her, she brought her

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 1>to the church where sadly, it's the church where Sandra's

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 1>grandfather was a pastor, so it's like their family church,

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and where this woman had been a Sunday school teacher,

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's where she assaulted and killed this little girl.

0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 1>So on April tenth, she was arrested and charged with

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Sandra's murder. She received further charges regarding the druggings of

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a seven year old girl and a thirty seven year

0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 1>old man, but those charges, as well as the charges

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of sexually assaulting Sandra, were all dropped as part of

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 1>a plea bargain where she pleaded guilty to first degree

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 1>murder and kidnapping of Sandra so that she could avoid

0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the death penalty, so she.

0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Got life had I wonder if being a pedophile in

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.439
<v Speaker 2>women prisons is just as bad as men prisons too,

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I wonder if that's part.

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder too.

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.600
<v Speaker 1>But after she was sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:15.280
<v Speaker 1>of parole, and at her sentencing, she denied sexually assaulting

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Sandra and asked her mother, Maria Shavaz, for forgiveness, like

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>she I guess the whole time, always denied the sexual

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>assault part, like she admitted the rest of it, but

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.400
<v Speaker 1>said she never like she said, quote she did not suffer.

0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll get to it.

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 1>She quote said she did not suffer and I did

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.960
<v Speaker 1>not sexually molest her. I'm asking you, Maria, for your forgiveness.

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine forgiving someone who harmed my daughter. I

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>hope someday you can forgive me. She sobbed, apologizing to

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the family and said I should not have taken her

0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 1>from you. I owe you an explanation, but I still

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 1>cannot understand why I did what I did. This is

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a question I will struggle with for the rest of

0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 1>my life. So motive is a bit of a mystery

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.680
<v Speaker 1>in this case, as you're also like, lady leave town

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 1>like she wanted to be caught. She wanted to be caught. Yeah,

0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 1>motive is a bit of a mystery. One prosecutor in

0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 1>this case, thought she might possibly have killed Sandra just

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 1>for attention. Others said that munch in Munchausen by proxy

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 1>syndrome was a possible factor. Her own daughter had a

0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 1>history of being sick and in need of like hospital

0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:17.960
<v Speaker 1>care that was like above the norm, and they said

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 1>there were twenty or so times that wait, this is

0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a quote from Tesla, the guy I talked about earlier,

0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the assistant the deputy district attorney, who said there were

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty or so times that Melissa cut herself, set fires,

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:33.160
<v Speaker 1>or verbally or psychologically attacked someone else, such as a roommate.

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>And there was something like that going on here where

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>she wanted to be the center of attention. So it

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 1>could have just been like she was having a slow

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:43.920
<v Speaker 1>day for attention and was like, I'm going to do this.

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:47.080
<v Speaker 1>So people thought that the text, like the text message

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>was obviously a huge clue to the mom being like

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>say that I had something stolen.

0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't really know why. That text doesn't make a

0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 3>lot of sense to me.

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 1>But also, yeah, there was They were speculated that she

0:59:58.040 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be the one who helped solve the car

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm more attention and that's why she wrote the note,

1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and people were like, you could easily see she wrote

1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:07.640
<v Speaker 1>this note like that's her handwriting, Like you don't even

1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:09.920
<v Speaker 1>need a handwriting analysis, like it's her handwriting if you

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>just like look at anything else she's ever written, like

1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 1>it's her handwriting. So really fucking sad, And that woman's

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:18.920
<v Speaker 1>in jail forever.

1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Boom yeah boo. But they yeah, they, I mean, the.

1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Whole thing about the mom being the molester is a

1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>different that's the SVU spin on it. But who knows

1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.800
<v Speaker 1>what's going gone on in this world woman Melissa Huckaby's life,

1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:43.600
<v Speaker 1>but she will be in jail forever, but uh, anyway, yeah,

1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and her daughter hopefully is safe now because I'm I

1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:49.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you can go kill random kids and

1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:50.040
<v Speaker 1>not and be like.

1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Hell to your kid, but you can, actually you can,

1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I think or not.

1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>No, I think that she was doing something to her kid,

1:00:57.000 --> 1:00:59.360
<v Speaker 1>like people thought this Munchausen thing was like her daughter

1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:01.480
<v Speaker 1>was like sick all the time, going to the hospital,

1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sure the mom was doing something to her,

1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:05.240
<v Speaker 1>but who's to say?

1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I was not there?

1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:13.360
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, we, of course, due to strike issues, will

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<v Speaker 1>not have a guest on today's episode. But we are

1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:19.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously going to do our usual post mortem, so don't

1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:26.000
<v Speaker 1>go anywhere. As you know, we're not going to have

1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a guest on today's episode in support of the strike,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll just get right into our post mortem.

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa, what did we learn.

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<v Speaker 1>From this insane episode of television?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's not a learn.

1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:45.400
<v Speaker 2>But it is wild that the wooden spoon didn't leave splinters. Yeah,

1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:48.080
<v Speaker 2>it's not that smooth like a hair bruh, because there

1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was a hairbrush episode right when someone molested by a hairbrush,

1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Like that is smooth like a wooden spoon or is

1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:58.160
<v Speaker 2>it like made in a certain way.

1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:03.200
<v Speaker 1>That maybe it's shellacked. I don't know, but yeah, that's

1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.080
<v Speaker 1>that's not really where my mind went right away about this.

1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I guess my my takeaway is, uh,

1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.760
<v Speaker 1>make sure the fucking school secretary.

1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Is getting your kid.

1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess this is like an argument for cell phones,

1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:18.680
<v Speaker 1>for kids to have phones, even like Apple Watch phones,

1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:20.960
<v Speaker 1>where you can just say, hey, don't go to piano,

1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:25.400
<v Speaker 1>your lessons canceled so that your piano teacher's sister doesn't

1:02:25.520 --> 1:02:25.920
<v Speaker 1>kill you.

1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:29.920
<v Speaker 2>It didn't make sense. Why did she kill her? I

1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.160
<v Speaker 2>think it was like, why did she even molest just

1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.120
<v Speaker 2>because molested people hurt molested people.

1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:36.040
<v Speaker 3>And I guess I think that was it.

1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:38.360
<v Speaker 1>And then it's like she realized once she kind of

1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.560
<v Speaker 1>asked the inappropriate question and did something bad, she was

1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:41.840
<v Speaker 1>just trying to cover up her tracks.

1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Damn. Yeah.

1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Also, I learned if you have an accent and grief

1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:48.960
<v Speaker 2>in your life, the FBI will just throw you a bone.

1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, if you've had a recent loss, hit up

1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the FBI, They will hook your ass up, no.

1:02:56.640 --> 1:03:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Problem, Yeah, just consult Who care? Like what that's so

1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:01.400
<v Speaker 2>wild to me?

1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Cat Cap Jackson able to join the FBI on a

1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.520
<v Speaker 1>moment's notice. I wonder what bed Wong had going on

1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:13.560
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Anyway, this was his last season too.

1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, twelve was a lot of changes. I mean

1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to lose bed Wong, chrispher Maloney, Neil Bear all in

1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:23.280
<v Speaker 1>one one swoop.

1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Why ah? Yeah, that's twelve, is it?

1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Twelve is a turning point for short Twelve is a

1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:31.200
<v Speaker 1>turning point anyway.

1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:36.600
<v Speaker 3>What let's wrap up. We don't need to belieguer this,

1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:38.480
<v Speaker 3>do we No, we didn't.

1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:42.000
<v Speaker 2>But also, if you're a mom, don't share a bed,

1:03:42.320 --> 1:03:44.640
<v Speaker 2>don't molest please.

1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:47.919
<v Speaker 1>Please that goes for everybody. Just don't molest. Please, don't

1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:48.240
<v Speaker 1>do that.

1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Also, if you were molested in a house, remodel, you know,

1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:53.080
<v Speaker 2>don't don't stay stuck.

1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, get some random renovate that beautiful brownstone.

1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:01.120
<v Speaker 2>But why did she get to keep the brownstone and

1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the mom is in this other place?

1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I bet you that the dad like, well, maybe the

1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:10.560
<v Speaker 1>deal was like when the dad died, the daughter was like,

1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting the brownstone, get out of my life where

1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I will like tell everybody what you've been doing to

1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:17.760
<v Speaker 1>me or something like that, because it sounds like the

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<v Speaker 1>mom just remarried another guy and took him for his

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful Brooklyn apartment with the art that you pointed out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Oh, it's just it's the dad's place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because she's a legal assistant or something. They said.

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<v Speaker 1>The mom has like to like, you know, stopped working

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<v Speaker 1>a few years earlier, but I'd just been like a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty year legal assistant or clerk or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's marrying I think for money if she's getting

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<v Speaker 1>brownstones and beautiful Brooklyn apartments.

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<v Speaker 3>With multiple levels although there's only.

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<v Speaker 1>One bedroom, because that's how we know that they share

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<v Speaker 1>a bed anyway, Yeah, and they have a bedroom in

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<v Speaker 1>the basement.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird when you have a caine.

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<v Speaker 2>But is she being molested every day or do they

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<v Speaker 2>just sleep chill sometimes, Like I just have so many questions.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so upsetting. It's so upsetting, But let's move on

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<v Speaker 1>this week. What would Sister Peg do? Normally, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a time where we direct you towards a website, a

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<v Speaker 1>charitable organization, a documentary and articles, something to give you

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<v Speaker 1>more info about what we talked about in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But honestly, nothing really pertains to this episode that we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't covered before, and so we thought it's late August,

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<v Speaker 1>school is starting, we thought we would direct you towards

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon wish lists of all of our teacher listeners

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<v Speaker 1>that we have been sharing on our Instagram. If you

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<v Speaker 1>go to our Instagram, there's a highlight that says teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you page through that, there are links to

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of wish lists for all of our teacher listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute, if you have a few extra bucks, scroll through,

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<v Speaker 1>grab people some post it notes, it ships automatically to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really nice way to support teachers who unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>in our fucked up capitalist society are the least supported people.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we could really they could all really

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<v Speaker 1>use our help just getting their kids the supplies that

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<v Speaker 1>they need. So we have so many great educator listeners

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<v Speaker 1>and we've shared their wish lists. So head on over

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<v Speaker 1>to that highlight and give it a give it a spin,

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<v Speaker 1>scroll back. Make sure we don't just all give to

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<v Speaker 1>the first one. Scroll to a few in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>and give some things if you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is amazing and we'll never forget our memories.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Columbus, Ohio, where in our trivia game

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<v Speaker 2>for our live show, a woman came up and we

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<v Speaker 2>always ask our volunteers like who do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>fuck in this SVU universe? And she said William Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone gasped. And then after the game she said

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<v Speaker 2>thanks again for posting my Amazon wish list, and we went, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a teacher and you need help. You William Lewis, fucker.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some people are able to separate the Shreiber

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<v Speaker 1>from the Lewis.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if people can do that, or from the porn

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<v Speaker 1>stash for that matter, but I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Put godspeed to those who can, so shout out.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening, we think about you often, our little

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<v Speaker 2>William Lewis teacher. Next week please join us, we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>doing the episode Web. It's a dark one. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>the Dark Web, Season seven, episode twenty one. See you soon,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody Bye. That's Messed Up as an Exactly Right production.

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<v Speaker 2>Much to our producer Kacy O'Brien and to.

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