Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories, Done.
Speaker 2: Done, Welcome. It's That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I am Lisa and I am Kara, And you know
Speaker 1: what we do, guys.
Speaker 3: We talk about Law and Order SVU. We talk about
Speaker 3: a true crime.
Speaker 1: It's based on We normally interview a guest, but right
Speaker 1: now we are suspending guests while the sag Aftra and
Speaker 1: WGA strikes kind of work themselves out. We really hope
Speaker 1: that they will be resolved soon so we can keep
Speaker 1: bringing you dazzling conversations with celebs, because we do love
Speaker 1: talking to people. But for now, we're just going to
Speaker 1: do the other parts of our podcast that you enjoy.
Speaker 1: But before that, I'm going to take a minute to
Speaker 1: continue to plug our live tour. We are kicking it
Speaker 1: off in about ten days. We're gonna be in DC
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna be in Atlanta, Raleigh, Charlotte. We
Speaker 1: move on after that to a bunch of other cities. Buffalo,
Speaker 1: come see us. That's a new city. We've never gone
Speaker 1: to Toronto. We've never been to you.
Speaker 3: Salt Lake. We've never been to you Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: We're coming to all kinds of new cities as well
Speaker 1: as the old standbys like Boston, New York, Boston.
Speaker 3: We are doing Wilburg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, not just Boston, it's
Speaker 2: the motherfucking wilbur fucking Wilburg.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest venue we've ever done.
Speaker 1: We need you guys to come out, bring your bearded husbands,
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Speaker 1: ticket links, all the dates, all the cities, all the
Speaker 1: information you could possibly need.
Speaker 2: And I am on a solo tour as well. And
Speaker 2: my birthdays in two days, so I am anticipating some messages.
Speaker 3: Guys. Am I gonna get a little love or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Let's flood the glitter cheese ig with some love babies.
Speaker 3: I want to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be thirty six, so crazy.
Speaker 1: So crazy. I remember thirty six like it was a
Speaker 1: few years ago.
Speaker 2: And it was it's a good luck Jewish number.
Speaker 3: Oh is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's divisible by you know, eighteen is like a special
Speaker 2: jew number. Okay, and anything divisible by eighteen ooh, it's fun.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it says at weddings moments was when making
Speaker 2: honorary donations, Jews often give gifts of money in multiples
Speaker 2: of eighteen, symbolically giving the recipient the gift of life
Speaker 2: or luck.
Speaker 3: So interesting, and this is gonna be a lucky, a
Speaker 3: lucky year for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then it says, so make a donation on a
Speaker 2: refriend and then to wish them along life by multiplying
Speaker 2: by eighteen.
Speaker 3: So huh, Well, I'm about jee. I don't know any
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: That's from the JCC in Milwaukee. JCC and Milwaukee come
Speaker 1: see us. We're coming through.
Speaker 2: Maybe I will stop by a lot of time at
Speaker 2: the JCC.
Speaker 3: Me and my dad will play racketball. I love.
Speaker 2: I want to get back into it. I mean, I
Speaker 2: want to get back into any physical activity.
Speaker 1: But are you interested in the craze that's sweeping the
Speaker 1: name show pickleball?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, you know, sometimes I'm a follower and I'm basic,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I'm just like, if everyone likes it, I'm
Speaker 2: not getting into it.
Speaker 3: And that's that.
Speaker 2: And I just don't see myself getting into pickleball.
Speaker 3: But what fun to me?
Speaker 1: It looks like easy tennis, Like I don't know why
Speaker 1: I'd rather play tennis, Like I'd rather play tennis.
Speaker 3: The racket is so hard to hold in tennis. Not
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: But let's see if there's racketball places, maybe we would
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Racketball is racketball different from squash?
Speaker 2: Obviously it's it's two different names. But I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know that differences. What's the difference
Speaker 2: between rocketball and squash? Both of the balls are hollow
Speaker 2: and rubber rubber. However, people also asked, I'm at Google
Speaker 2: and it says people also ask does anybody play racquetball anymore?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: It says, can you play a racquetball on a squash court?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The game is played on a standard squash court, but
Speaker 2: unlike squash, you play with a bigger and bouncier blue ball.
Speaker 2: As the racket has a larger head and a shorter handle.
Speaker 2: It is easy to manipulate if you haven't played any
Speaker 2: rackets sports before. Racketball is a great way to start. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love racketball.
Speaker 1: It just looks so much like squash because of the
Speaker 1: clear box that you play in.
Speaker 3: But yeah I can see. Yeah, I played in college too.
Speaker 2: Oh really Yeah, for some some wild reason, I was
Speaker 2: State had racquetball courts and I played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, Yeah, it was quite exciting.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's so I really feel like my
Speaker 2: brain is Debbie Downer, Like my brain immediately went to like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I wish everyone had schools with fun stuff, even though
Speaker 2: that's college and you pay for it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no I need to.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're so obviously we're in the time machine
Speaker 1: as usual, but we're like in super time machine right
Speaker 1: now because we're banking a few episodes so we can
Speaker 1: go on a little vac and I so, as of
Speaker 1: right now, we'll be back from our vacation and I
Speaker 1: will allegedly be kick starting a more physical uh some
Speaker 1: more physical activity in my life. That's what my goal
Speaker 1: is for when I get back from my trip.
Speaker 3: Well, let's do it together. Let's play some I bought.
Speaker 2: I would also go to boxing with you, I know,
Speaker 2: but I just feel like I'm so out of shape
Speaker 2: that boxing is so intent that I would throw up,
Speaker 2: like cause I've been to lack of fitness, Like I
Speaker 2: would go all the time when I was like more
Speaker 2: physically active, and it is it's hard. It's like yeah,
Speaker 2: camp and boxing, and it's just a little intimidating when
Speaker 2: I'm like I can't even go up the stairs at
Speaker 2: the moment, I.
Speaker 3: Think I'll start Tybo.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, like I would start with Tybo in
Speaker 2: my like now that I have my place clean again,
Speaker 2: like I could do Tybo some Tybo baby. I do
Speaker 2: love it. I do love Tybo. I am a big fan.
Speaker 3: I've never done it.
Speaker 2: Oh the YouTube, it's really I love Billy Blanks, I
Speaker 2: love the workouts. I really hopefully he's not a molester.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to know you.
Speaker 1: Can't love anybody. You can't love anybody. It's really difficult.
Speaker 1: And then even the people that I think were lovable
Speaker 1: icons like Pee Herman who just passed away, like was
Speaker 1: busted masturbating in an adult theater.
Speaker 3: And it's like he's a pedophile.
Speaker 1: So it's like everyone's going after the wrong people for
Speaker 1: being perverts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so say it's Tybo advanced and there's like one
Speaker 2: through twelve. I just I love it. Fifty minute advanced workout.
Speaker 2: This is the best one. Am I going to work
Speaker 2: out today?
Speaker 3: Do it?
Speaker 2: The YouTube is on. This is a really wild intro.
Speaker 2: It's just me googling things and iologize you guys deserve
Speaker 2: a more narrative, journalistic, fun intro.
Speaker 3: But I mean should I tell?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on? We went and got our
Speaker 1: nails done yesterday? Together, we went and picked up Oscar.
Speaker 1: Oscar said hi, Lisa and gave you a high five.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what's been going on? Even, like
Speaker 1: what are what do we have going on?
Speaker 2: It just feels like, I know, even when people are like,
Speaker 2: how's life, I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Good and bad? Like what is life? Some things are amazing,
Speaker 3: some things are terrible. We keep it moving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's true. Like what everybody's like, how is
Speaker 1: it going? I'm like, I don't know. The former president's
Speaker 1: been indicted three times, but it seems like everything else
Speaker 1: is a lot of other things are going.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know, you know what, I'm jealous.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, as of this taping, we are possibly trying
Speaker 1: to procure Beyonce tickets you may be able to get them.
Speaker 1: I'm in it for an extra if I if there
Speaker 1: happens to be an extra. We are in the midst
Speaker 1: of about to start the Tailor Weekend here in LA
Speaker 1: where apparently she's doing I think five or six shows
Speaker 1: in LA and it's supposed to bring in like one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars in income for LA in
Speaker 1: those like six days. It's a wild concert summer. Oprah's
Speaker 1: at Beyonce saying that Beyonce is God. Every time I'm
Speaker 1: on my Instagram, I'm just seeing Beyonce concert footage and
Speaker 1: it looks so fucking awesome and I'm so jealous.
Speaker 2: It does, and that's what got me wanting to go
Speaker 2: to Goggle last summer, which was like all the Insta footage,
Speaker 2: I go, oh, I need to see this show, and
Speaker 2: it was incredible.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm feeling now. A friend reached out.
Speaker 2: He does have a gift, but like the difference between
Speaker 2: getting two tickets and three tickets is huge, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: that it kind of is so hard, But I also
Speaker 2: A'm not willing to spend a thousand, Like I'm not, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I would do.
Speaker 3: A couple hundred maybe three, But like, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't really.
Speaker 2: Gonna try to be the sweeper. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: take all the tickets that people like day of people
Speaker 2: need to get rid of, you know, the resale didn't
Speaker 2: work and I'm on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in my mom group, people are trying to
Speaker 1: sell these tailor tickets for like twenty five hundred dollars each.
Speaker 1: It's so I don't understand why this cannot be capped.
Speaker 1: Why can't we make just tickets non transferable, like you
Speaker 1: have to have your ID with you.
Speaker 3: That's not that's is that crazy?
Speaker 2: It is because I mean I think it's wrong to
Speaker 2: buy tickets with just the idea of reselling, But like
Speaker 2: why if like big companies are doing it, why can't
Speaker 2: an individual do it?
Speaker 1: But like what if you can't if they're using software
Speaker 1: to like cut other people off from getting a chance.
Speaker 1: It's like if you buy two tickets and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I could.
Speaker 3: Sell these for so much and make money. I don't
Speaker 3: begrudge you that.
Speaker 1: But if you're like a scalt a professional scalper that
Speaker 1: has like software that can cut other people, and you
Speaker 1: can go grab up all these tickets and then sell them.
Speaker 1: That is a little bit more annoying to me.
Speaker 2: Well, now Ticketmaster and all the sites they're also down
Speaker 2: with it because they have their own resale capability. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so now it's like they're not even going to try
Speaker 2: to stop it. They don't care. Nobody cares. Easy, it's
Speaker 2: just it is gross. But like, for to not transfer
Speaker 2: is tough because for me, it's like I had tickets
Speaker 2: to Miley once and then my favorite comic asked me
Speaker 2: to open for him and I had to give my
Speaker 2: tickets away. Yeah, but I just gave them to someone
Speaker 2: I didn't sell that, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, we're supposed to go to Madonna
Speaker 1: in September. Has it been officially canceled?
Speaker 2: Well, it's for sure rescheduled, and if they don't reschedule
Speaker 2: within sixty days, we're eligible for a refund.
Speaker 3: But not yet.
Speaker 2: And I kind of just want the time to really
Speaker 2: because I don't trust her anymore.
Speaker 3: Like I'm done.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's gonna do it. I think she's lying.
Speaker 2: I don't think she has an infection. I think she
Speaker 2: is not ready for the door. Really, that is what
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have to go cancel the hotel I reserved
Speaker 1: for us. Oh, it's for sure not happening when we Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just haven't talked about it yet.
Speaker 3: So I was like, Oh, I'm so bummed. That was
Speaker 3: gonna be so fun. I know it's really annoying.
Speaker 2: It's definitely annoying, but listen, let's at this episode. Our
Speaker 2: episode's not annoying. This intro might have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don intro might be all over the place, but
Speaker 1: we've got a great episode for you. This is truly
Speaker 1: one of the best episodes of SVU. I think ever,
Speaker 1: this is like a classic. People have been asking for
Speaker 1: it since the beginning, so let's give it to them.
Speaker 2: Okay, today we are doing Totem. That's season twelve, episode twenty.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: This is like getting very close to the end of
Speaker 1: Maloney damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it opens up on backpacked teen girls running through
Speaker 2: the streets of New York City and they're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, hurry, he's gonna catch us. And they duck
Speaker 2: under a couch being carried on the sidewalk, which is
Speaker 2: like a lot of high jinks, I would say, some
Speaker 2: little comedy, and they check like a pink tech object
Speaker 2: and they start talking about pirates in the flag and
Speaker 2: we see they are playing a game. They are not
Speaker 2: being chased by a pedophile, So huge news.
Speaker 1: Well, this is one of like many episodes where people
Speaker 1: are doing like geocashing as like a way of finding
Speaker 1: a body, like.
Speaker 3: This happens like all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's like the fake out with horror movies
Speaker 2: being filmed. You know, it's a fake out cat Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then one of the girls trips over some luggage
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk and their kids they're like, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, open it. It's it been open.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, there is a body in the suitcase. So
Speaker 2: we immediately get Finn and Benson on the scene, and
Speaker 2: Benson looks incredible this city. I am like blown away.
Speaker 2: She always looks good. But it's an all black outfit.
Speaker 2: It's tight, and the badge is on her hip, which
Speaker 2: is like my favorite way to place a badge. They
Speaker 2: think it's a kid named Marnie because Finn says no
Speaker 2: other kids were reported missing, but that seems impossible that
Speaker 2: only one kid is missing at a time, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't get that. But Melinda's on the case as well.
Speaker 2: She's in a brown beanie kneeled over the body, and
Speaker 2: they check the photo of Marnie to the body and
Speaker 2: it is Marnie, who is a blonde young girl. And
Speaker 2: then a blonde mom runs and is side and saying no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: and she's crying into Finn's arms and she can barely
Speaker 2: breathe through her tears.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't told the crowd to come there.
Speaker 1: Who told the mom, Oh, they found a suitcase, it
Speaker 1: might be your daughter, Like meet me at the morgue, Like,
Speaker 1: why are we talking to them having the mom come
Speaker 1: up on the streets.
Speaker 3: That's true. I was in my head.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like, just like, she's in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood and the kid has been missing. Yeah, so maybe
Speaker 2: she heard something and the emotion yeah ran maybe. So
Speaker 2: we're back from the credits and we have Benson doing
Speaker 2: a press conference with a ton of media crowded around.
Speaker 2: She explains how Marnie disappeared on her way home from
Speaker 2: school and then the sad news that the body was found,
Speaker 2: and begging the public to contact sv with any information.
Speaker 2: Finn meets her to continue doing the real work, and
Speaker 2: the church where the bag was found in front has
Speaker 2: been very helpful and there's no evidence of a crime
Speaker 2: in there, but patrols are going to canvas and like,
Speaker 2: you know, check out the church. Anyways, Maloney meets up
Speaker 2: with them and surveillance from the park district has a
Speaker 2: bird's eye view footage of the church. Benson gets a
Speaker 2: ring to her phone and walks away. Maloney and Finn
Speaker 2: watched the footage and they see the Duffel around two pm.
Speaker 2: And now it's like, okay, let's rewind it. Yes, a
Speaker 2: truck is fucking blocking the camera and sadly the person
Speaker 2: did the drop in between one for five and two
Speaker 2: while the truck was blocking the camera. Finn is gonna
Speaker 2: track down the driver of the truck and maybe they
Speaker 2: saw something. Benson reveals the call she got was from Melinda.
Speaker 2: She wants them all to meet with Bete Wong at
Speaker 2: the morgue aka George Wang. Okay, FBI extraordinaire. And we
Speaker 2: go to the morgue and we see a tiny dead
Speaker 2: child and it's a I don't need to see this.
Speaker 2: It's like she's on a neck head holding thing. It's
Speaker 2: clearly a dead kid. I don't I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Melinda also has bad news that the killer is a
Speaker 2: sexual predator, upsetting evidence evidence of rape, but no fluids,
Speaker 2: hairs or skin cells or lube. So she thinks someone
Speaker 2: used a foreign smooth object and Maloney's like, fuck, So
Speaker 2: this guy's dick didn't work. He had to use an object,
Speaker 2: and he like spits on the morgue floor and discuss
Speaker 2: and Melinda's like, stop spitting on the floor.
Speaker 3: JK, that didn't happen.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen, but he was disgusted and anyways, so
Speaker 2: the death is traumatic asphyxia, so she was suck suffocated
Speaker 2: but with what And then Jeremy Irons pops out of
Speaker 2: nowhere and he's got something to say even before hello.
Speaker 2: He goes the pillow her head was resting on, and
Speaker 2: Benson knowingly is like, oh, hey, what's up.
Speaker 3: You know they have history.
Speaker 2: His name is doctor Jackson, and we got to talk
Speaker 2: about doctor Jackson aka Jeremy Irons. We can't like skip
Speaker 2: over this, you know, man with an accent with a
Speaker 2: wild entrance. He was in the episode Mask from the
Speaker 2: same season, but episode thirteen, so seven episodes before this,
Speaker 2: where him and his daughter had a fucked up relationship
Speaker 2: because he thought he was drunk and raped his daughter,
Speaker 2: but actually he just like fucked her friend consensually, but
Speaker 2: also his daughter does.
Speaker 3: Okay, anyways, what.
Speaker 1: Are you What do you think of Jeremy irons from
Speaker 1: when you see him?
Speaker 2: Like, well, yeah, so you know he the IMDb is robust.
Speaker 2: I would say three digits, three digits. He has an
Speaker 2: Oscar Emmy and a Tony So I'm like, baby, go
Speaker 2: dorerate a book, Let's get you a Grammy.
Speaker 3: What the yeah?
Speaker 2: But he also what's funny is he has a serbian
Speaker 2: vibe like that basketball player I've been into. He's quoted
Speaker 2: he's like, I work to live. I don't live to work.
Speaker 2: I'm not like al Pacino. And that was like a
Speaker 2: quote in the IMDb. And al Pacino obviously makes me
Speaker 2: think of our former guest Beverly D'Angelo putting her career
Speaker 2: on hold to raise his twins, because, as she said,
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna tell al Pacino to stop?
Speaker 3: I fucking love Beverly D'Angelo.
Speaker 2: He is famously scar from the Lion King, so I
Speaker 2: would say that is huge.
Speaker 3: But to me, since you asked, he's man in the
Speaker 3: Iron mask.
Speaker 2: That was huge for me because it was like the
Speaker 2: first movie post Titanic for Leonardo DiCaprio, and I remember
Speaker 2: rushing to the movie theater to see it and I
Speaker 2: would watch it all the time, and I loved like
Speaker 2: the ending was twist, like I loved a man in
Speaker 2: the iron mask. So he that's what he is for me. Okay,
Speaker 2: are you going to answer your question too? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's for me. It's scar also.
Speaker 1: But I also watched Reversal of Fortune when I was
Speaker 1: like way too young about Sonny and Klaus van Bulou
Speaker 1: with he's in it with Glenn.
Speaker 3: Close and he like what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think he kills his wife and it's like they're
Speaker 1: like socialites.
Speaker 2: It's like a very famous real story. Is there an
Speaker 2: SVU episode based on the crime? Maybe we can count there?
Speaker 2: Fuck and should be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she was Sonny van Bulo and he was
Speaker 1: convicted in nineteen ninety two of a nineteen eighty two
Speaker 1: of attempting to murder her by insulin overdose, but the
Speaker 1: conviction was overturned on appeal. And I just remember, like
Speaker 1: my family would always do like, oh yes, Sonny never
Speaker 1: liked like and it's just like this Jeremy iron voice
Speaker 1: that he always does, like if our mom made us
Speaker 1: go somewhere.
Speaker 3: We'd be like Sonny never.
Speaker 1: Liked doing a homework like we would always do Jeremy
Speaker 1: Iron's voice. So that's a weird movie that I know
Speaker 1: him from. But I'm sure I know him from like
Speaker 1: a ton of other shit. I've never seen man in
Speaker 1: the Iron Mask though, so oh really put that on
Speaker 1: the old list. Anyway, he should fucking narrate a book.
Speaker 1: I would love to listen to a book narrated by him.
Speaker 1: He has a cool voice, you know, oh yeah, thriller.
Speaker 2: And to be honest, he I don't love his care
Speaker 2: I don't need him in SVU.
Speaker 3: Is that bad? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I hope Jeremy doesn't
Speaker 3: listen to this.
Speaker 1: No, it's good that they just gave him this like
Speaker 1: extra one and then they were out. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: were like, we can't turn down like another chance of
Speaker 1: Jeremy Irons because that's a pretty big name. But I
Speaker 1: don't think we needed to, like, you know, incorporate him
Speaker 1: into the lore forever.
Speaker 3: But even the story with his daughter is like weird.
Speaker 2: You know, it's foul mouth, foul mouth whateverth fowlmuth cape cod.
Speaker 3: I've been there.
Speaker 2: Oh he was Also in the Simpsons season twelve, he
Speaker 2: was a bar rag.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I know in the episode Moe goes from Rags to Riches,
Speaker 2: which is a very Warren Light style title.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's how you know it's season seventeen. Wait, he
Speaker 1: was in House of Gucci. I don't remember that. I
Speaker 1: did like that. I liked to sing that. I saw
Speaker 1: it in the theater, I think, or on a plane.
Speaker 3: I saw it on the on a plane, I think.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so he's actually filling in her Huang. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of why Huang's doing him as solid and
Speaker 2: got him some consulting work with the FBI after his
Speaker 2: clinic folded because he was accused of, you know, raping
Speaker 2: his daughter. So but he didn't anyway, Yeah, it would
Speaker 2: be weird if the detectives were working with him.
Speaker 1: No, he just had consensual sex with another teen girl.
Speaker 1: So still not great.
Speaker 2: So you know, they're like, so what are we looking at?
Speaker 2: And he says, someone who cared that. You know, she
Speaker 2: was comfortable before she was abandoned silk sheets. She's tucked
Speaker 2: in and there's a doll with her, so Marnie wouldn't
Speaker 2: feel alone. And then we find out from Melinda that
Speaker 2: she was drugged with sleeping pills called zalpadan, so she
Speaker 2: didn't feel any pain.
Speaker 3: Which is ambient by the way.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, great strong drug, so you know, and then
Speaker 2: the drop off by the church means that you know,
Speaker 2: he was trying to atone for the crime, and Jeremy's like,
Speaker 2: I think the murder was just not to be caught,
Speaker 2: and it's like, who cares what the motive for the
Speaker 2: murder is. What's a better motive, like to not get
Speaker 2: caught or just to kill for the thrill. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if the kid is dead and blest it. So okay,
Speaker 2: so let you know, we're gonna go look at some
Speaker 2: usual suspects of pedophiles. And then Benson and Sabler leave
Speaker 2: and she's like, what the fuck Hwang is in the FBI,
Speaker 2: Like this guy's never done this before. And Stabler goes,
Speaker 2: I think he's going to bring something to the table, like,
Speaker 2: don't worry, he's a man, he'll help us. So it's
Speaker 2: a pedophile party at the precinct. All these creepy, classic
Speaker 2: pedo looking men are at the desks, and you know
Speaker 2: they need to provide alibis and convince the detectives that
Speaker 2: they are not the they're not guilty, show us that
Speaker 2: you are not a criminal. And then, oh my god,
Speaker 2: one is a teacher and has students, which is fucked
Speaker 2: because he grew up a ten year old that he
Speaker 2: works at and guess where he works as a teacher
Speaker 2: Hudson University.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: Of course they hired a fucking person that was convicted
Speaker 2: of molesting a ten year old, but.
Speaker 3: He has tenure. So that's that.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Iron size Maloney's like, yeah, welcome to the purv parade.
Speaker 2: That leads to nowhere, and then Irons asks about like
Speaker 2: about the doll, and Stabler goes, okay, well, the doll
Speaker 2: is called Perfect Penny and they stop making it in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, and it wasn't Marnie's. So we got
Speaker 2: to find out where this fucking doll came from. Benson
Speaker 2: joins the conversation to say that the dad is coming
Speaker 2: from from out of town. He was in Honolulu, which
Speaker 2: is a sad long flight.
Speaker 1: It's like ten to eleven hours of your daughter being gone,
Speaker 1: and but also your daughter was already missing, so why
Speaker 1: were you still in Hawaii? Yeah, you should have scooted
Speaker 1: home a little while ago.
Speaker 3: Who knows how long she was missing for? Do we know?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even though he was out of town, maybe
Speaker 2: creeps work in pears, So they're gonna welcome the dad
Speaker 2: home and ambush him after this long sad flight because
Speaker 2: they think that he worked in a pair and the
Speaker 2: other pair killed his daughter.
Speaker 3: Stop stop stop.
Speaker 2: So the parents are fighting and yelling outside of like
Speaker 2: a brownstone to their house, and then the dad shoves
Speaker 2: the mom and the mom kind of falls on the
Speaker 2: stoop stairs behind her, and then he just begins to
Speaker 2: walk off, and then Finn like goes up to him.
Speaker 2: He swings misses and they arrest him. And his name
Speaker 2: is actually Chet Haddler, So Finn calls him a douchebag
Speaker 2: and he's like, I didn't do anything, and Benson's like,
Speaker 2: you just shoved a dead girl's mother. And so now
Speaker 2: he's in his sell room with bars and he is
Speaker 2: the mom's boyfriend, he is not the dad, and they're
Speaker 2: just dating and Finn is like, babe, for real or
Speaker 2: in your dreams, and he's like, listen, she was gonna
Speaker 2: leave her husband and take Marnie and move in with
Speaker 2: me and Finn is like, why so you can push
Speaker 2: them both around, and he denies being the killer. He's like,
Speaker 2: I did not kill this. I did not kill Marnie.
Speaker 2: And the mom defends Chet, and the husband is known
Speaker 2: about the affair for two months, so and she keeps
Speaker 2: trying to dump Chet, like she does not want to
Speaker 2: be with him. She wants to be with her husband
Speaker 2: who knows about the affair, but this check guy won't
Speaker 2: go away, and he just thinks that they're meant for
Speaker 2: each other. And Benson is like, do you know he's
Speaker 2: a jailbird and she does not, and he fucking served
Speaker 2: time for forcible touch of a thirteen year old kid,
Speaker 2: his last girlfriend's kid.
Speaker 3: Jesus. His response was it was that little bitch's idea.
Speaker 2: So Finn leans in and says, that little bitch told
Speaker 2: me you wanted a threesome. And the mom yelling at Benson,
Speaker 2: like how dare you accuse me of a threesome? And
Speaker 2: she's like, because you already lied to us, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I was at work and she says, well, your boss
Speaker 2: says different and that you left after lunch and she's
Speaker 2: like fine, okay, and it's like your daughter is dead
Speaker 2: and was missing, Like, why are you lying to investigators
Speaker 2: to keep him affair?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it's truly wild to me.
Speaker 2: So she finally admits the truth that her and Chat
Speaker 2: checked into a hotel at one point thirty and they
Speaker 2: were in bed while Marty disappeared, and finally she starts
Speaker 2: to cry.
Speaker 3: Benson seems sad.
Speaker 2: There's a walk and talk with Benson and Stabler, and
Speaker 2: I just really love Benson again, Like, I just like
Speaker 2: love the way she looks in this episode, and Stabler
Speaker 2: is most Stabler. He goes, great, she's getting laid while
Speaker 2: her daughter is raped and murdered.
Speaker 3: Who's gonna tell the dad?
Speaker 2: So now we're in a brainstorm session and Jeremy Irons
Speaker 2: gives a suggestion that like a mic drop moment, he
Speaker 2: thinks the attacker is a woman. Women rapists are rare
Speaker 2: but not unheard of. So now let's hear why he's
Speaker 2: and it's the same shit. It's like the killer made
Speaker 2: sure that the child was asleep wrapped in the silk,
Speaker 2: the pink pillow, like there's a doll. And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: we've seen men perverts do this all the time to
Speaker 2: lour kids. He goes, yeah, but there's no sign of
Speaker 2: penile penetration or DNA, and sailors like sure, but like
Speaker 2: it was an object. Men can use objects too, like
Speaker 2: I don't see this, And so then the detectives can
Speaker 2: count on two hands the years of like female and
Speaker 2: female molestation, and they have never arrested a woman's solo
Speaker 2: for sodomizing and raping a girl. But he just feels
Speaker 2: it's a woman who wanted the dead to be safe
Speaker 2: with God. And he just really thinks the killer is
Speaker 2: a woman, but the detectives are not convinced. But then
Speaker 2: the music starts playing out into commercial and now we're back,
Speaker 2: and we're with Jeremy sipping out of a mug and
Speaker 2: thanking Benson for the flowers that she sent for his
Speaker 2: daughter's funeral. She changes the subject quickly, and they plan
Speaker 2: Benson's flower budget must be like off the charts. If
Speaker 2: she's sending flowers to all the people she meets who
Speaker 2: have death, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, And then she
Speaker 2: asked if there's any plan to bring back the clinic,
Speaker 2: and he's like, haven't you heard I'm a charlatan. He
Speaker 2: violated confidentiality of patients, and Benson is like, you saved
Speaker 2: your patients from a killer and he's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't save my daughter because yeah, so the episode Mask,
Speaker 2: he runs a support group for sex crimes, like like
Speaker 2: an AA group, but for sex criminals, and one of
Speaker 2: the criminals is the one that killed his daughter, and
Speaker 2: you know, Stabler went undercover. There was just like a
Speaker 2: lot of shadiness in the episode. But yeah, he's said
Speaker 2: he couldn't save his daughter. This is a really intense chat.
Speaker 2: And so he brings it back to the case and
Speaker 2: he's like, Okay, what kind of cases do you do
Speaker 2: without men? Since most Haven men involved somehow and she
Speaker 2: says it's usually a Missus Robinson type who seduces teenage
Speaker 2: boys and so it's like teachers in love. Irons is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but women who abuse girls are different than those who
Speaker 2: abuse boys, and she's like, yes, there's there are very
Speaker 2: few and they're appalled by their own actions. But have
Speaker 2: any killed the girls? And he said twice, but both
Speaker 2: types they were sociopaths, Like this killer is different and
Speaker 2: doesn't give me socio vibes and he goes, she had
Speaker 2: genuine care and tenderness and Benson, it fucking finally hits her.
Speaker 3: She goes, oh my god, our purp was abused herself. Duh.
Speaker 2: And he thinks the clue to the psyche of the
Speaker 2: abuse and the killer and everything is the perfect Penny
Speaker 2: doll and he says, totem okay, So it's a totem
Speaker 2: for innocence that.
Speaker 3: Her abuser stole from her.
Speaker 2: And they have to talk to every woman in Marnie's life,
Speaker 2: and finally Benson is convinced. So we go to the
Speaker 2: home and talk to the nanny housekeeper type and she
Speaker 2: is sad and she has an alibi and she says, Monday,
Speaker 2: after school, Marnie has piano lessons, so that we talk
Speaker 2: to a blonde woman who is famous. Her name is
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Mitchell, and she's playing the piano teacher and she
Speaker 2: has like bad posture, nervous enter, and whatever outfit you're
Speaker 2: picturing for a piano teacher, she's wearing it. So and
Speaker 2: she's also in another sv episode. She's in season four,
Speaker 2: episode fourteen Mercy, and it's the Tay Sacks baby Cooler episode.
Speaker 2: And she was in fifty seven episodes of Lost, fourteen
Speaker 2: episodes of Er. She's just like a prolific TV actress.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I don't know her from anything,
Speaker 1: but Jared saw me watching this episode and goes, I
Speaker 1: know her. And it's probably because she was in the
Speaker 1: Expanse or something. She's in some sci fi stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so she's playing this piano lady and she's
Speaker 2: crying and she's like so upset by the death and
Speaker 2: that she's saying that Marnie's mom canceled the piano lesson
Speaker 2: last Monday. And she starts babbling and babbling, and we
Speaker 2: learned that her parents died in a car crash when
Speaker 2: she was seventeen, and she hasn't changed anything in the
Speaker 2: house since, and that's why it's like old timey looking.
Speaker 2: And she has photos of Marnie and she's like, Marnie
Speaker 2: had perfect posture and hand position. She was such a
Speaker 2: natural talent, and like, would she be less sad she
Speaker 2: was bad at piano. Now we talk in front of
Speaker 2: sports trophies with a school employee and Jeremy Irons, and
Speaker 2: this girl was an amazing athlete with great sportsmanship too.
Speaker 2: The whole school is obsessed with her and she has
Speaker 2: not one enemy. So all the teachers have alibis and
Speaker 2: they're like okay. So everyone thinks this kid is great.
Speaker 2: The teachers all have alibis, like what the fuck are
Speaker 2: we gonna do? And so then it's like, okay, well
Speaker 2: this person is like super under the radar, like you know,
Speaker 2: but maybe they'll come to the funeral, So let's go
Speaker 2: to the funeral.
Speaker 3: Classics.
Speaker 2: So they go to the big church funeral, white casket,
Speaker 2: and Stabler and Irons could not look more like cops,
Speaker 2: but everyone is there, and then Benson sees a woman
Speaker 2: bolting and holy shit, it's the piano teacher in the
Speaker 2: crowd outside. She did not go into the church service,
Speaker 2: so that's suspicious, and so they, like, you know, they
Speaker 2: try to talk to her, but she runs the fuck off.
Speaker 2: So you're a suspect now, bitch. And her name is
Speaker 2: June Frye and she's thirty seven years old. She has
Speaker 2: no police record and never married. And the brownstone is
Speaker 2: around the corner from the church. The mom denies canceling
Speaker 2: the piano lesson on Monday and says quite the opposite,
Speaker 2: that she called to cancel around two pm, and so
Speaker 2: she also blew off a bunch of other students that day,
Speaker 2: and Irons asks if June canceled the lesson and why like,
Speaker 2: why did Marnie show up? And it's because the school
Speaker 2: secretary forgot to deliver the message, so Marnie just like
Speaker 2: could have just walked there. So they think that, you know,
Speaker 2: so June called canceled the lesson. The secretary didn't say something,
Speaker 2: Marnie walked over there. Uh oh, this case is really
Speaker 2: coming together. The school secretary probably feels pretty guilty.
Speaker 3: I hope. It's like, do your fucking job.
Speaker 2: So we got to get a search warrant for her brownstone,
Speaker 2: and Iron, showing his lack of expertise, is like, let's
Speaker 2: just ask her to see it, and they're like, babe,
Speaker 2: then it can't be evidence in court, like she might
Speaker 2: destroy evidence if she knows we're on to her.
Speaker 3: And he's like, well, she knows we're onto her.
Speaker 2: She ran away from us at the church, Like what,
Speaker 2: And I mean it's not like Sbu loves following rules anyways.
Speaker 2: So they're convinced and they're like, yeah, let's just go
Speaker 2: over there. So they knock, knock, knock, and we hear
Speaker 2: piano music playing, and then a blonde woman with barettes
Speaker 2: and a sweater is flabbergacid and is like, what do
Speaker 2: you want now, and Benson's like, babe, we need your
Speaker 2: help and she's like please, and she says I can't. Please,
Speaker 2: don't come here again. And Jeremy Irons tries to connect, like, oh, piano,
Speaker 2: I like piano so and that's I guess enough to connect,
Speaker 2: but she says it's too painful, like I can't talk
Speaker 2: about this, and he's like, well, what if it helps
Speaker 2: us get like who did this to her? It'll only
Speaker 2: take a few minutes. So she lets them in and
Speaker 2: it so he asks her for tea. She goes to
Speaker 2: put water on and Stabler goes to the bat like
Speaker 2: to the bathroom downstairs.
Speaker 3: So they're like they're being shady.
Speaker 2: So Stabler explains to Jeremy Irons, like anything that we
Speaker 2: find without opening a drawer or opening a door is
Speaker 2: fair game. They see old magazines, it's like time truly
Speaker 2: stop thirty years ago in this house, and he is like,
Speaker 2: something happened here that brought her like to a screeching halt.
Speaker 2: And he says he sees a blonde curl on music
Speaker 2: notes that's haunting. It's a fake curl of hair, but
Speaker 2: it could be perfect. Pennies so the men also they
Speaker 2: see a pink pillow that's the same that was found
Speaker 2: with her, and they smell bleach and they notice through
Speaker 2: the window, the basement window, that she's taken out the garbage.
Speaker 2: She's upstairs just playing piano as everyone's ridding around, and
Speaker 2: Benson is listening and compliments her and is like, oh cool.
Speaker 2: As the men dig through the trash, and then another
Speaker 2: luggage piece from the set and it's a wooden spoon,
Speaker 2: and Benson on Walkie we hear says rush a bus
Speaker 2: to four fifty one Hamilton Terrace and Maloney hears it
Speaker 2: on the radio while digging in the trash, and it's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? And she had a
Speaker 2: cardiac arrest. She was playing and just collapsed. She's not breathing,
Speaker 2: and Irons does CPR, like holy shit, what is about
Speaker 2: to happen? And then they see the pill bottle and
Speaker 2: the canister is empty and it's the zolpadan the what
Speaker 2: is it the generic?
Speaker 3: But is it generic? Ambient is a brand name for yes,
Speaker 3: zolpid the generic.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, someone's on a budget, someone, someone's on an HMO.
Speaker 2: And she said, tell Marnie's parents I'm sorry. And so
Speaker 2: this case is wrapping up, but we still have a
Speaker 2: chunk of the episode, so like what's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: But she is pissed.
Speaker 2: She is really pissed that they saved her and she
Speaker 2: wants to be dead. And they share with her all
Speaker 2: the evidence of the crime that they have and she
Speaker 2: covers her eyes and is like, please, please, please just
Speaker 2: leave me alone. And he says, June, I know you
Speaker 2: love Marnie, but give her parents some peace and tell
Speaker 2: them why. And she's just like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: She said, I will die before I talk about Marnie.
Speaker 2: And they did find Marnie's prints up in the room,
Speaker 2: but like also dozens of kids that play piano there,
Speaker 2: so that like that can't be proof. They have like
Speaker 2: no proof that connects her to anything. But she does
Speaker 2: have a secret.
Speaker 3: We can tell.
Speaker 2: She's so nervous and she just tried to take her
Speaker 2: own life. But so we have to unlock the door
Speaker 2: to her secrets. And they all look at Jeremy Irons.
Speaker 2: They're like, you're the sweet talker here. It worked once.
Speaker 2: You know you can on piano, so you go give
Speaker 2: it a shot. So he puts the doll on an
Speaker 2: office chair in the wood blind's room. She is like,
Speaker 2: I already told you. I'm not saying shit. You should
Speaker 2: have let me die. And she is like there is
Speaker 2: nothing to talk about. And he's like, well, how about
Speaker 2: why you tried to take your own life? And she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a psychologist, aren't you. And he goes, Nope, a psychiatrist.
Speaker 2: Same deal except a few more days of medical school.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, psychiatrist is is a longer thing because you
Speaker 1: can prescribe medication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it totally makes sense. I just never really thought
Speaker 2: about it. Well, I had a wild thing, so I
Speaker 2: have my never ending row of issues. So I picked
Speaker 2: up two prescriptions yesterday and the pharmacist gave me directions
Speaker 2: on how to use it, but the doctor in my
Speaker 2: portal gave me different directions. And I was like, who
Speaker 2: do you listen to the pharmacist or the doctor. I
Speaker 2: feel like this is a curb episode or like Seinfelder's. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but and so I messaged the doctor back and the
Speaker 2: doctor wants what he wants. But I was just like
Speaker 2: wondering about that yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also the other day, the pharmacists said Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a thirty day supply, and I go, this is a
Speaker 1: ten day supply. She goes, it says thirty and like
Speaker 1: it was a ten day supply. So who knows so
Speaker 1: well shaved to pharmacists.
Speaker 2: Well, it's definite shave to pharmacists, because so psychiatrists have
Speaker 2: to learn psychology and then they have to learn everything
Speaker 2: that pharmacists learn.
Speaker 3: Is that it I think I would assume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so are they going to make as dumb mistakes
Speaker 2: as the pharmacist did yesterday?
Speaker 3: Anyways, she is not having it.
Speaker 2: She goes, you know why people end their lives and
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, they have too much pain that they
Speaker 2: can bear, that they can't bear, and they think that
Speaker 2: throwing in the towel is easier than dealing with what
Speaker 2: is the cause of the pain. And she says she
Speaker 2: doesn't deserve to live. He asks when she started playing
Speaker 2: piano five years old, her mother taught her, and that
Speaker 2: she was an only child, and he asks if she
Speaker 2: treasured her And she used to read her stories fairy
Speaker 2: tales and called her my little princess. And the doll
Speaker 2: just keeps sitting there like a little chucky, like a
Speaker 2: little well, dressed.
Speaker 3: Chucky ha, and.
Speaker 2: He brings her on to the table and the doll
Speaker 2: stares at Blondie and he then asks about the dad
Speaker 2: and she's like, I don't want to talk about him,
Speaker 2: and he pushes. He's like, do you remember you know
Speaker 2: when he gave you the doll? And he is he
Speaker 2: caressing the doll, and she grabs the doll away from
Speaker 2: him and says, stop torturing me. She yells, you don't
Speaker 2: know anything about how I feel, and maybe I should
Speaker 2: ask for a lawyer, and he says, oh, well, we're talking,
Speaker 2: you don't need a lawyer, and then knock knock on
Speaker 2: the mirror like the fastest. But then she's distressed. She's like, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: people are watching us. What And he walks out and
Speaker 2: is like, why the hell did you do that? And
Speaker 2: they're like, babe, you can This is like cop one,
Speaker 2: oh one. If they ask for a lawyer, you shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up because we can't use anything.
Speaker 3: She says.
Speaker 2: After that in court, he's like, well, you're an agent
Speaker 2: of the police, like I'm not, and they're like, you
Speaker 2: need to listen to us, and he's like he's like, well,
Speaker 2: if I act legally and change her mind is that okay?
Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, if you can change her mind legally,
Speaker 2: So he goes back there and he tries to trick
Speaker 2: her into giving up her rights. He makes the show
Speaker 2: of saying how he can't talk, and he has to
Speaker 2: grab his jacket and he's out of there, and it's like, baby,
Speaker 2: you didn't even want to talk anyways, Like why are
Speaker 2: like why would this work? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Suddenly she's like wait, wait, wait, where are you going?
Speaker 2: I loved talking And her thing is like she would
Speaker 2: just like rather talk to him than anyone that's on
Speaker 2: the other side of the mirror, and so she waves
Speaker 2: her because he like knows about show pain or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it always is so funny the way they connect to
Speaker 2: people who just like do not want to be connected
Speaker 2: by such a tidy little thing. But she also doesn't
Speaker 2: want them watching, so he tells her, like, why don't
Speaker 2: we sit on this couch on the other side of
Speaker 2: the room. They won't be able to see you there.
Speaker 2: And I can't tell if that's a lie or not,
Speaker 2: Like I think it's a lie. So he says he
Speaker 2: knows about family pain, that his daughter stops speaking to
Speaker 2: him at age sixteen and him for twenty years, his
Speaker 2: little Anne, And she asked what happened and he says
Speaker 2: that she was attacked by somebody who works with him,
Speaker 2: and she died. Oh, yeah, it was one of the
Speaker 2: pedophile the secretary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a guy that worked for him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what it was. She was attacked by. I mean,
Speaker 3: SVW is so good and why did she hate him?
Speaker 2: So he said he was addicted to sex and alcohol
Speaker 2: and he didn't do anything bad, but for twenty years
Speaker 2: he thought he did and nobody should have to live
Speaker 2: with shame like that, and he understands how that feels.
Speaker 2: Her body language is very like childlike, and she said
Speaker 2: that she was seven her dad came into her room
Speaker 2: at bedtime and he told her how special she was
Speaker 2: and that she was the most important thing in his
Speaker 2: life and he wanted to give her a present and
Speaker 2: that present was the doll Penny Perfect. And then he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: and he got into bed with you, and she starts
Speaker 2: to cry and says, it's my fault because I knew
Speaker 2: it was wrong. But he said we couldn't tell anyone
Speaker 2: because nobody would understand. And he takes out, he takes
Speaker 2: a photo of Marnie, and he's like, is that why
Speaker 2: you gave her the doll? To keep her safe? And
Speaker 2: she's just crying and crying. It wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: So she looks at the photo of Marnie and she
Speaker 2: says to the photo, why did you come to my house?
Speaker 2: I told your mother not to send you, that you
Speaker 2: shouldn't come, and you would be fine if you hadn't
Speaker 2: come to my house. And she cries and caresses the
Speaker 2: photo and Jeremy Irons looks at her. And she gave
Speaker 2: Marnie the milk with the pills, and then they sat
Speaker 2: at the piano and she started to drift off and
Speaker 2: that's when she took the wooden spoon, and so Marnie
Speaker 2: was like crying. It was like, I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: my mom. And that's when she was like, oh, you
Speaker 2: can't tell your mom. And so that's why the pillow
Speaker 2: the sheets got cozy and go be with God. She
Speaker 2: starts ugly crying so much wetness. She keeps saying I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and she collapses in sadness, and we take
Speaker 2: a little blackout moment and we're back and she's sleeping
Speaker 2: on the couch with the doll in the blind's room,
Speaker 2: and behind the blinds is the whole group talking shit
Speaker 2: about her. So at first they're like, yes, hell, yes,
Speaker 2: we got a confession. We got to get her in
Speaker 2: the system and take her ass to jail. And He's like, jail,
Speaker 2: but what if she tries to take her life again?
Speaker 2: So we're gonna keep her on watch in the room.
Speaker 2: She gets on her knees and asks God for forgiveness, like,
Speaker 2: please please comfort Marnie's precious soul and those that needed
Speaker 2: my comfort and protection and I couldn't give it to them.
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, wait, what them? Who is them? How
Speaker 2: many lives has she ruined? We got to talk to them.
Speaker 2: So they do a collage of young piano girls and
Speaker 2: they all love her. And then we end with like
Speaker 2: a nice crisp outdoor walk and it's with Stabler and
Speaker 2: this punk rock team girl who outgrew her lessons because
Speaker 2: she just wanted to hang out with her friends.
Speaker 1: Which is this actress is Dylan Glula who is from
Speaker 1: Kimmy Schmidt. Oh okay, and I've actually met her. We
Speaker 1: did a stage reading and she's super funny. She's really
Speaker 1: funny on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Actually, this girl, oh fun, Yeah, she does seem fun.
Speaker 2: It's a breath of like fresh air in this up
Speaker 2: sode of sadness and she's just like walking the dog
Speaker 2: streaks in her hair. And he asked if she ever
Speaker 2: made her feel uncomfortable. She's like, no, except for the
Speaker 2: last Monday when she blew her off. Her mom called
Speaker 2: her to be like, bitch, get home. That girl was kidnapped.
Speaker 2: And on her way home, she saw June arguing with
Speaker 2: an old woman and they were fighting, and she ignored
Speaker 2: her when she said hi, to continue arguing with this
Speaker 2: old lady with a cane. And then the old lady
Speaker 2: goes up to the stoop with June. So, holy smokes,
Speaker 2: what's going on? So was that clear? So basically, you know,
Speaker 2: all the Monday lessons were canceled. And then she's walking
Speaker 2: around and sees June on the stoop I arguing with
Speaker 2: this woman who then enters the home. So now the
Speaker 2: team is in the priest think with some connections to make.
Speaker 2: And what they figure out is the dad died, but
Speaker 2: guess what, the mom didn't and she remarried, so June lied.
Speaker 2: The mom's name is Elaine fry Cavanaugh bad last name,
Speaker 2: and she's alive and well in Brooklyn. She's was a
Speaker 2: legal clerk for thirty years and has been on disability
Speaker 2: since two thousand and four when she slipped and fell.
Speaker 2: But like, why would you lie about your mom being dead?
Speaker 2: And well, she wanted her to be dead, so maybe
Speaker 2: it's like not protecting her from the dad, and so
Speaker 2: she's mad at the mom and it's like, I'd rather
Speaker 2: you be dead in my brain than deal with the
Speaker 2: fact that you suck.
Speaker 3: And again I wrote, again, Benson looks so good. What's wrong?
Speaker 2: Stabler is like, well, what if the mom molested her?
Speaker 2: And Irons is like, yeah, a lot of times girls
Speaker 2: lie and say it's the dad because it's just too
Speaker 2: much for them, like to say the mom and like
Speaker 2: no one could believe it, So maybe she like lied
Speaker 2: about that. So maybe that like she didn't call the
Speaker 2: mom to help with the body or anything, but the
Speaker 2: mom was already there and Marnie came over, and that's
Speaker 2: why she didn't want Marne coming over because the mom
Speaker 2: is such an evil bitch. And June's mom killed Marty,
Speaker 2: so that's like a new idea. So now they go
Speaker 2: to the limping mother's house and they tell her that
Speaker 2: June says she's dead and she chuckles it off and says, well,
Speaker 2: that's tip goal. There's a huge like art and stairs.
Speaker 2: This is a really big house, so I feel like
Speaker 2: there's money there because the art is just it looks
Speaker 2: like an art that would be at like a skyscraper
Speaker 2: bank building. It's like a giant, giant piece because even
Speaker 2: if it's bad art, that's not cheap. So current husband Grant,
Speaker 2: so you know, she got remarried. He died last year
Speaker 2: and he says that he was just as weak and
Speaker 2: useless as husband number one. She connects to Stabler having
Speaker 2: kids and like she's firm but fair, but perfection is hard,
Speaker 2: but we got to get perfect. And Benson's like, oh,
Speaker 2: did the handle of the spoon help with that? And
Speaker 2: the mom's face changes and is like, oh, try me, bitch,
Speaker 2: and she goes tell me what that means, and she says,
Speaker 2: you weren't teaching her how to bake cookies, and Stabler says,
Speaker 2: or Marnie for that matter, and she's like what the
Speaker 2: girl who died. They're like, stop pretending like you don't
Speaker 2: know who she is, and she is like, what are
Speaker 2: you accusing me of? And Stabler's like, listen, why did
Speaker 2: you go to our house Monday? It doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: she likes you at all. And she's like, don't presume
Speaker 2: how my daughter feels about me, and Benson nails into
Speaker 2: her and tears well into this woman's eyes, like in
Speaker 2: an amazing way, I like this actress. And what's presumptuous
Speaker 2: is after the horror show you put her through, that
Speaker 2: you made her clean up your mess and she goes,
Speaker 2: I do not make messes. So what happened with Martie?
Speaker 2: Did you drug her and use the spoon on her?
Speaker 2: And she yells out that she's gonna call her lawyer,
Speaker 2: and then up the stairs runs a girl named Katie
Speaker 2: and the mom yells, tell them where I was Monday?
Speaker 2: Tell them? Okay, So this Katie Kavanaugh character, she's a
Speaker 2: friend of the pot. She was a guest. Her name
Speaker 2: is Agatha. That's not her name. Her name is not
Speaker 2: a Gappa. Her name is Agatha new Wiki and she's
Speaker 2: from the episode in Prison Lives, and.
Speaker 3: We love her.
Speaker 2: She's a great actress. She's an incredible actress. We really
Speaker 2: enjoyed our interview with her and in Prison Lives is
Speaker 2: based on the what's his name?
Speaker 3: Abel?
Speaker 2: Didn't I keep calling him the wrong name in that episode?
Speaker 2: It's the Cleveland man Ariel Castro right, yes, and I
Speaker 2: kept calling him Abel and I feel like you had
Speaker 2: to be like, it's Aeriel.
Speaker 3: Please stop.
Speaker 2: So the mom like I said, I loved her, We
Speaker 2: had Agatha, we love her. Lisa Baynes is playing the mom.
Speaker 2: Sadly she did pass in twenty twenty one, but she
Speaker 2: had eighty five credits and she was a theater darling
Speaker 2: who won many awards, and we can see why. So
Speaker 2: the mom to Katie says, tell them where I was
Speaker 2: Monday and how I got there? And Katie says that
Speaker 2: she had a bridge tournament up in Stanford and she
Speaker 2: drove her up and dropped her off, and sailor goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you have two daughters, and she says, yes, one by
Speaker 2: Roger and one by Grant.
Speaker 3: Is that a crime? And Katie cries, what do you
Speaker 3: people want?
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything, and mom says, Katie, shut your mouth.
Speaker 2: Benson says no, keep talking, and she screams, you don't
Speaker 2: need to be here, don't you get it? She cries
Speaker 2: and runs down the stairs. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, and closes herself in the closet of a
Speaker 2: room in the basement and rocks back and forth crying.
Speaker 2: So she clearly has some problems, like why are you
Speaker 2: running away? Benson asks, is this your bedroom? And she
Speaker 2: goes yes, and then the mom limps down and says,
Speaker 2: leave my little girl alone and get out of my bedroom.
Speaker 2: Done done. So the mom looks pissed and she's breathing deep.
Speaker 2: You know, she had to, like, you know, limp and
Speaker 2: cane her way down the stairs and my god, and
Speaker 2: then Benson goes, oh my god. So we go straight
Speaker 2: to Riker's and Blondie is like, why did you come?
Speaker 2: I told you everything and they're like, but not the truth.
Speaker 2: You don't belong here and you never did. And she
Speaker 2: calls the guard to take her back and says, I
Speaker 2: did a terrible thing. I deserve to be in jail,
Speaker 2: and they're like, listen, we know you put her in
Speaker 2: the Duffel, but you didn't kill her. And her sister
Speaker 2: comes in and says, why did you tell them? And
Speaker 2: she says, I didn't. I promise Katie, I didn't. And
Speaker 2: then they hug and then June is like crying and
Speaker 2: apologizing to Katie like I'm sorry, I shouldn't have left.
Speaker 2: So basically like she just feels really guilty because she
Speaker 2: ran away and goes, I left you, I should have
Speaker 2: stayed to protect you. And Benson and all of them
Speaker 2: are like, girl, your mom sucks. It's not your fault.
Speaker 2: Like June, it is not your fault. So now we
Speaker 2: go talk to Katie and see what's up with Katie.
Speaker 2: So Katie says that June that she wanted to go
Speaker 2: over to her house, but June said that she'd be
Speaker 2: out for a while and she was gone from the house,
Speaker 2: so just let yourself in and I'll meet you there soon,
Speaker 2: and that she had canceled her piano the first piano
Speaker 2: lesson to let Katie come over.
Speaker 3: But when Katie got to.
Speaker 2: The house, the little student was on the porch and
Speaker 2: she had seen her before, so she went inside and
Speaker 2: she was so cute and innocent and sweet, and she
Speaker 2: doesn't know why, but suddenly she asked her if she
Speaker 2: could take her clothes off, and she's confessing all of
Speaker 2: this right now. So the girl said no and tried
Speaker 2: to leave, and so she got real mad, but she
Speaker 2: didn't want her to feel bad, so she went into
Speaker 2: the kitchen, got pills, got the wooden spoon like the woman,
Speaker 2: like the mom did, and then June came home.
Speaker 3: And saw what she had done.
Speaker 2: June listens at the spy window and then Benson lets
Speaker 2: her know like she's gonna have to testify against her
Speaker 2: half sister. Benson says they will send her to a
Speaker 2: psychiatric facility, but she will never be free again, and
Speaker 2: the mother will be going to jail for the ongoing abuse.
Speaker 2: Since the daughter and mom share a bed. Katie tries
Speaker 2: to talk to June through the mirror and says, I
Speaker 2: will always love you. You will always be my sister.
Speaker 2: June thinks things are her fault and how how I
Speaker 2: can't and she forgive herself, but Jeremy Irons on the
Speaker 2: way out, says, you can start by having me help you. Try,
Speaker 2: and he puts his arm around her and they walk
Speaker 2: out and Benson, I feel like look suspicious but maybe
Speaker 2: I maybe not.
Speaker 1: And She's just like, Wow, this is such a fucked
Speaker 1: up situation.
Speaker 3: I hope this guy can help that crazy woman. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was just protecting her sister who she
Speaker 2: couldn't protect when she was a child, so she wants
Speaker 2: to make up for it.
Speaker 3: And that's that. It is a wild It's a wild one.
Speaker 3: This is a wild one. All right.
Speaker 1: We got a true crime to cover when we come back,
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere after these messages.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: This episode is based on a crime that happened in Tracy, California,
Speaker 1: which is northern California. It's like closer to like Stockton
Speaker 1: and modesto like east of San Francisco. An eight year
Speaker 1: old girl named Sandra Cantu disappeared in March of two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. She lived at a mobile home park
Speaker 1: called Orchard Estates with her mom, her grandparents, and three
Speaker 1: older siblings. And so March twenty seventh of nine, this
Speaker 1: little second grader played at a friend's house till four pm.
Speaker 1: Then she came home and left, saying she was going
Speaker 1: to go play at another friend's house. And when she
Speaker 1: didn't come home for dinner, her family reported her missing
Speaker 1: shortly before eight o'clock that night. And there was this
Speaker 1: piece of surveillance footage of Sandra crossing the street in
Speaker 1: front of her home and that was the last time
Speaker 1: she was seen alive. And this was being played on
Speaker 1: tons of national news stations. Everyone's looking for her, reminiscent
Speaker 1: of like the Mornie being missing. Cops searched the mobile
Speaker 1: home park for her, but they got nothing, and so
Speaker 1: they called in the FBI, and then the weekend that
Speaker 1: she was gone was twenty eight twenty nine of March.
Speaker 1: They brought in police dogs, equestrian teams, ATVs, a helicopter,
Speaker 1: all kinds of shit to help with the search, and
Speaker 1: a twenty two thousand dollars reward was offered as well.
Speaker 3: Police started to.
Speaker 1: Become suspicious at one point of a woman named Melissa Huckabee,
Speaker 1: who was a twenty eight year old Sunday school teacher
Speaker 1: who also lived at this mobile home park and her
Speaker 1: daughter was friends with Sandra, the girl who disappeared.
Speaker 3: On the day of.
Speaker 1: Sandra's disappearance, Huckaby sent a text to Sandra's mom that said,
Speaker 1: quote tell the police that I had something stolen around
Speaker 1: four PM. I don't know if that makes a difference
Speaker 1: or not. I don't This text is weird, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The next day, at a vigil for Sandra, Melissa Huckaby
Speaker 1: approached police and FBI agents to report that she had
Speaker 1: found a note on the ground and they said that
Speaker 1: she was acting quote very agitated, crying, hyperventilating. The note
Speaker 1: read quote can two locked in stolen suitcase, stolen spelled incorrectly,
Speaker 1: thrown in water on on spelled incorrectly but Ketty or
Speaker 1: Bacchetti Road and Whitehall Road period witness period.
Speaker 3: So that's what this note says.
Speaker 1: Cantu locked in stolen suitcase, thrown in water on Buketty
Speaker 1: Road and Whitehall Road witness. Another lead popped up when
Speaker 1: a couple told police that they saw Huckabye at a
Speaker 1: pond on their property on Bucketty Road and Whitehall Road
Speaker 1: between five point thirty and six pm on the day
Speaker 1: of Sandra's disappearance. They later recognized huckaby on television and
Speaker 1: that's when they decided to go to the cops and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we saw this woman. They told the police that she
Speaker 1: was distracted and hurried, and that the woman said I
Speaker 1: just had to pee real quick, so they probably thought
Speaker 1: nothing of it.
Speaker 3: But then when they saw.
Speaker 1: Her on TV like probably making comments she was eager
Speaker 1: to be involved in this case, they went to the
Speaker 1: cops and said that they saw her. Police kept reviewing
Speaker 1: footage from surveillance cameras outside of Sandra's house, and here's
Speaker 1: the timeline from the day she disappeared three point fifty four.
Speaker 3: Around when she gets home from.
Speaker 1: The first playdate that she did, she starts walking towards
Speaker 1: Huckabe's residence. Eight minutes later, at four oh two, Huckaby's
Speaker 1: SVU SUV goes driving out in the opposite direction. Right
Speaker 1: around then, Huckaby called the trailer park manager to report
Speaker 1: that a suitcase, an Eddie Bauer suitcase, had been stolen
Speaker 1: from her trailer. As a former heavy shopper at Eddie
Speaker 1: Bauer as a child, this resonates with me.
Speaker 2: We used to always have to go to Eddie Power,
Speaker 2: so we didn't always go to Eddie Bauer. But there
Speaker 2: was this one person that I wanted so bad, like
Speaker 2: this other girl Julia had it, and I just wanted
Speaker 2: it so bad and I did get it, did you Like?
Speaker 3: They were like.
Speaker 2: These little purses and they had like a bat like
Speaker 2: a plastic clippy thing and they would open the head
Speaker 2: netting in it and it was like they were flat
Speaker 2: and cool. I don't know, I just felt like the
Speaker 2: coolest girl with my Eddie Bauer purse.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't remember it was an Eddie
Speaker 1: Bauer purse.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if I'm ever gonna be able to
Speaker 1: find it. I'm sure it's like on eBay somewhere or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I had an Eddie Bauer backpack when I
Speaker 1: really wanted an llban.
Speaker 2: We're right, that's so funny. I just googled it and
Speaker 2: it showed up on eBay. But it wasn't this color. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you the link, like I mean, I
Speaker 2: need to see this. Mine was dark blue, like it's
Speaker 2: not a but it was like this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen these. Yeah, because these
Speaker 3: are like travel.
Speaker 1: They're for travel, right, like your people wear these under
Speaker 1: their clothes when they travel.
Speaker 3: But I I wore it to school. I loved it.
Speaker 3: I loved it. I get I have all my lipsmackers
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 1: Tourists are like trying not to get their passports stolen,
Speaker 1: and these is like so many compartments for my lip gloss.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Eddie Bower suitcase is stolen. She calls right
Speaker 1: around the time to report the suitcase stolen, around five
Speaker 1: point thirty she's caught on camera driving away from the
Speaker 1: church where she taught Sunday school and from between five
Speaker 1: thirty and six is when that couple said they saw
Speaker 1: her acting weird by this irrigation pond, and then around
Speaker 1: six o'clock she returned to the church. So Huckabee also
Speaker 1: had a history of mental health issues, including borderline personality disorder,
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia. But the cops thought her behavior
Speaker 1: was just like she was looking for attention and like
Speaker 1: wanted to be involved in this big thing like they
Speaker 1: didn't make They didn't consider her a suspect at all
Speaker 1: until they found the body on April sixth, about you know,
Speaker 1: nine days after she went missing. Her body was found
Speaker 1: in a suitcase in a pond that was being routinely drained.
Speaker 3: It was like an irrigation pond. And the autopsy.
Speaker 1: Found that she had been beaten and sexually abused with
Speaker 1: a foreign object before being smothered. So the pathology report,
Speaker 1: like after later, the pathology report came out like all
Speaker 1: the details of the case were unsealed, and it turned
Speaker 1: out she had been strangled with a torn piece of
Speaker 1: cloth that had been knotted into a noose and that
Speaker 1: the cause of death was homicidal asphyxiation, which in the episode,
Speaker 1: I think they call it traumatic.
Speaker 3: Asphyxiation, so I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like a similar and the tuxacology report found ALPRASLAMB
Speaker 1: in her system, which is xanax. So in this episode
Speaker 1: they decided to go with ambient, but in real life
Speaker 1: it was alprasalamb which is xanax. So the FBI profile
Speaker 1: of the killer at first, much like the cops in
Speaker 1: this episode, was a white male age twenty five to
Speaker 1: forty with a criminal history of sexual assault or you know,
Speaker 1: child pornography charges, and then the deputy district Attorney Thomas
Speaker 1: Tesla said, quote we thought there was no way a
Speaker 1: woman would do these things end quote. So after the
Speaker 1: body was found in the suitcase that was alluded to
Speaker 1: in the note that Huckabee gave the police, they started
Speaker 1: looking harder at her. They were like, like, why would
Speaker 1: you know the only person that's talked about a suitcase
Speaker 1: is this woman, and she had a suitcase go missing
Speaker 1: and that's where the girl was found.
Speaker 3: This is all too much.
Speaker 2: She was trying to pretend like the person who sold
Speaker 2: the suitcase did this.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but also some people thought she was like
Speaker 1: also maybe trying because she had been so anxious to
Speaker 1: be involved, that maybe she was trying to be like
Speaker 1: I'm the one that solved it, you know, by giving
Speaker 1: them the note, like I.
Speaker 3: Solved it, you know.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of there's a lot of mental
Speaker 1: health stuff going on with this woman as well. So
Speaker 1: FBI agents searched the church and collected a rolling pin
Speaker 1: from the kitchen, which was reportedly had a bloody smudge
Speaker 1: on it as well as a bent handle, and that
Speaker 1: rolling pin did test positive for Sandra's DNA.
Speaker 3: Horrible. So, during an.
Speaker 1: April sixth search of Huckabee's home after the suitcase had
Speaker 1: been recovered, they found a notebook with the title. The
Speaker 1: cover of the notebook said quote cute but psycho things
Speaker 1: will even out, And inside the notebook they found like
Speaker 1: pages where clearly the indentation came from the letters, like
Speaker 1: she had written the note, like you know, you can
Speaker 1: just like do pencil to see like who wrote the
Speaker 1: note before you.
Speaker 3: That's based what happened.
Speaker 1: So they brought her all of this crazy evidence, and
Speaker 1: Huckabee sort of confessed at first, she said that Sandra
Speaker 1: had hid in the suitcase as part of a game,
Speaker 1: but then stayed there too long and suffocated, And like
Speaker 1: none of that matches up with the timeline at all,
Speaker 1: Like what actually happened was like when they caught her
Speaker 1: on camera at three fifty four walking towards the house,
Speaker 1: she got in the car with her, she brought her
Speaker 1: to the church where sadly, it's the church where Sandra's
Speaker 1: grandfather was a pastor, so it's like their family church,
Speaker 1: and where this woman had been a Sunday school teacher,
Speaker 1: and that's where she assaulted and killed this little girl.
Speaker 1: So on April tenth, she was arrested and charged with
Speaker 1: Sandra's murder. She received further charges regarding the druggings of
Speaker 1: a seven year old girl and a thirty seven year
Speaker 1: old man, but those charges, as well as the charges
Speaker 1: of sexually assaulting Sandra, were all dropped as part of
Speaker 1: a plea bargain where she pleaded guilty to first degree
Speaker 1: murder and kidnapping of Sandra so that she could avoid
Speaker 1: the death penalty, so she.
Speaker 2: Got life had I wonder if being a pedophile in
Speaker 2: women prisons is just as bad as men prisons too,
Speaker 2: Like I wonder if that's part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder too.
Speaker 1: But after she was sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility
Speaker 1: of parole, and at her sentencing, she denied sexually assaulting
Speaker 1: Sandra and asked her mother, Maria Shavaz, for forgiveness, like
Speaker 1: she I guess the whole time, always denied the sexual
Speaker 1: assault part, like she admitted the rest of it, but
Speaker 1: said she never like she said, quote she did not suffer.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: She quote said she did not suffer and I did
Speaker 1: not sexually molest her. I'm asking you, Maria, for your forgiveness.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine forgiving someone who harmed my daughter. I
Speaker 1: hope someday you can forgive me. She sobbed, apologizing to
Speaker 1: the family and said I should not have taken her
Speaker 1: from you. I owe you an explanation, but I still
Speaker 1: cannot understand why I did what I did. This is
Speaker 1: a question I will struggle with for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life. So motive is a bit of a mystery
Speaker 1: in this case, as you're also like, lady leave town
Speaker 1: like she wanted to be caught. She wanted to be caught. Yeah,
Speaker 1: motive is a bit of a mystery. One prosecutor in
Speaker 1: this case, thought she might possibly have killed Sandra just
Speaker 1: for attention. Others said that munch in Munchausen by proxy
Speaker 1: syndrome was a possible factor. Her own daughter had a
Speaker 1: history of being sick and in need of like hospital
Speaker 1: care that was like above the norm, and they said
Speaker 1: there were twenty or so times that wait, this is
Speaker 1: a quote from Tesla, the guy I talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: the assistant the deputy district attorney, who said there were
Speaker 1: twenty or so times that Melissa cut herself, set fires,
Speaker 1: or verbally or psychologically attacked someone else, such as a roommate.
Speaker 1: And there was something like that going on here where
Speaker 1: she wanted to be the center of attention. So it
Speaker 1: could have just been like she was having a slow
Speaker 1: day for attention and was like, I'm going to do this.
Speaker 1: So people thought that the text, like the text message
Speaker 1: was obviously a huge clue to the mom being like
Speaker 1: say that I had something stolen.
Speaker 3: I don't really know why. That text doesn't make a
Speaker 3: lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: But also, yeah, there was They were speculated that she
Speaker 1: wanted to be the one who helped solve the car
Speaker 1: I'm more attention and that's why she wrote the note,
Speaker 1: and people were like, you could easily see she wrote
Speaker 1: this note like that's her handwriting, Like you don't even
Speaker 1: need a handwriting analysis, like it's her handwriting if you
Speaker 1: just like look at anything else she's ever written, like
Speaker 1: it's her handwriting. So really fucking sad, And that woman's
Speaker 1: in jail forever.
Speaker 3: Boom yeah boo. But they yeah, they, I mean, the.
Speaker 1: Whole thing about the mom being the molester is a
Speaker 1: different that's the SVU spin on it. But who knows
Speaker 1: what's going gone on in this world woman Melissa Huckaby's life,
Speaker 1: but she will be in jail forever, but uh, anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: and her daughter hopefully is safe now because I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can go kill random kids and
Speaker 1: not and be like.
Speaker 3: Hell to your kid, but you can, actually you can,
Speaker 3: I think or not.
Speaker 1: No, I think that she was doing something to her kid,
Speaker 1: like people thought this Munchausen thing was like her daughter
Speaker 1: was like sick all the time, going to the hospital,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure the mom was doing something to her,
Speaker 1: but who's to say?
Speaker 3: I was not there?
Speaker 1: But anyway, we, of course, due to strike issues, will
Speaker 1: not have a guest on today's episode. But we are
Speaker 1: obviously going to do our usual post mortem, so don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. As you know, we're not going to have
Speaker 1: a guest on today's episode in support of the strike,
Speaker 1: so we'll just get right into our post mortem.
Speaker 3: Lisa, what did we learn.
Speaker 1: From this insane episode of television?
Speaker 3: You know, it's not a learn.
Speaker 2: But it is wild that the wooden spoon didn't leave splinters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not that smooth like a hair bruh, because there
Speaker 2: was a hairbrush episode right when someone molested by a hairbrush,
Speaker 2: Like that is smooth like a wooden spoon or is
Speaker 2: it like made in a certain way.
Speaker 1: That maybe it's shellacked. I don't know, but yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's not really where my mind went right away about this.
Speaker 1: But you know, I guess my my takeaway is, uh,
Speaker 1: make sure the fucking school secretary.
Speaker 3: Is getting your kid.
Speaker 1: I guess this is like an argument for cell phones,
Speaker 1: for kids to have phones, even like Apple Watch phones,
Speaker 1: where you can just say, hey, don't go to piano,
Speaker 1: your lessons canceled so that your piano teacher's sister doesn't
Speaker 1: kill you.
Speaker 2: It didn't make sense. Why did she kill her? I
Speaker 2: think it was like, why did she even molest just
Speaker 2: because molested people hurt molested people.
Speaker 3: And I guess I think that was it.
Speaker 1: And then it's like she realized once she kind of
Speaker 1: asked the inappropriate question and did something bad, she was
Speaker 1: just trying to cover up her tracks.
Speaker 3: Damn. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, I learned if you have an accent and grief
Speaker 2: in your life, the FBI will just throw you a bone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if you've had a recent loss, hit up
Speaker 1: the FBI, They will hook your ass up, no.
Speaker 2: Problem, Yeah, just consult Who care? Like what that's so
Speaker 2: wild to me?
Speaker 1: Cat Cap Jackson able to join the FBI on a
Speaker 1: moment's notice. I wonder what bed Wong had going on
Speaker 1: at the time. Anyway, this was his last season too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twelve was a lot of changes. I mean
Speaker 1: to lose bed Wong, chrispher Maloney, Neil Bear all in
Speaker 1: one one swoop.
Speaker 3: Why ah? Yeah, that's twelve, is it?
Speaker 1: Twelve is a turning point for short Twelve is a
Speaker 1: turning point anyway.
Speaker 3: What let's wrap up. We don't need to belieguer this,
Speaker 3: do we No, we didn't.
Speaker 2: But also, if you're a mom, don't share a bed,
Speaker 2: don't molest please.
Speaker 1: Please that goes for everybody. Just don't molest. Please, don't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Also, if you were molested in a house, remodel, you know,
Speaker 2: don't don't stay stuck.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, get some random renovate that beautiful brownstone.
Speaker 2: But why did she get to keep the brownstone and
Speaker 2: the mom is in this other place?
Speaker 1: I bet you that the dad like, well, maybe the
Speaker 1: deal was like when the dad died, the daughter was like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting the brownstone, get out of my life where
Speaker 1: I will like tell everybody what you've been doing to
Speaker 1: me or something like that, because it sounds like the
Speaker 1: mom just remarried another guy and took him for his
Speaker 1: beautiful Brooklyn apartment with the art that you pointed out.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, it's just it's the dad's place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's a legal assistant or something. They said.
Speaker 1: The mom has like to like, you know, stopped working
Speaker 1: a few years earlier, but I'd just been like a
Speaker 1: thirty year legal assistant or clerk or something like that.
Speaker 1: So she's marrying I think for money if she's getting
Speaker 1: brownstones and beautiful Brooklyn apartments.
Speaker 3: With multiple levels although there's only.
Speaker 1: One bedroom, because that's how we know that they share
Speaker 1: a bed anyway, Yeah, and they have a bedroom in
Speaker 1: the basement.
Speaker 3: Weird when you have a caine.
Speaker 2: But is she being molested every day or do they
Speaker 2: just sleep chill sometimes, Like I just have so many questions.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's so upsetting. It's so upsetting, But let's move on
Speaker 1: this week. What would Sister Peg do? Normally, this is
Speaker 1: a time where we direct you towards a website, a
Speaker 1: charitable organization, a documentary and articles, something to give you
Speaker 1: more info about what we talked about in today's episode.
Speaker 1: But honestly, nothing really pertains to this episode that we
Speaker 1: haven't covered before, and so we thought it's late August,
Speaker 1: school is starting, we thought we would direct you towards
Speaker 1: the Amazon wish lists of all of our teacher listeners
Speaker 1: that we have been sharing on our Instagram. If you
Speaker 1: go to our Instagram, there's a highlight that says teachers,
Speaker 1: and if you page through that, there are links to
Speaker 1: dozens of wish lists for all of our teacher listeners.
Speaker 3: If you have a.
Speaker 1: Minute, if you have a few extra bucks, scroll through,
Speaker 1: grab people some post it notes, it ships automatically to them.
Speaker 1: It's a really nice way to support teachers who unfortunately
Speaker 1: in our fucked up capitalist society are the least supported people.
Speaker 1: And you know, we could really they could all really
Speaker 1: use our help just getting their kids the supplies that
Speaker 1: they need. So we have so many great educator listeners
Speaker 1: and we've shared their wish lists. So head on over
Speaker 1: to that highlight and give it a give it a spin,
Speaker 1: scroll back. Make sure we don't just all give to
Speaker 1: the first one. Scroll to a few in the middle
Speaker 1: and give some things if you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is amazing and we'll never forget our memories.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Columbus, Ohio, where in our trivia game
Speaker 2: for our live show, a woman came up and we
Speaker 2: always ask our volunteers like who do you want to
Speaker 2: fuck in this SVU universe? And she said William Lewis
Speaker 2: and everyone gasped. And then after the game she said
Speaker 2: thanks again for posting my Amazon wish list, and we went, Wow,
Speaker 2: you're a teacher and you need help. You William Lewis, fucker.
Speaker 1: I mean some people are able to separate the Shreiber
Speaker 1: from the Lewis.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: But if people can do that, or from the porn
Speaker 1: stash for that matter, but I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Put godspeed to those who can, so shout out.
Speaker 2: If you're listening, we think about you often, our little
Speaker 2: William Lewis teacher. Next week please join us, we'll be
Speaker 2: doing the episode Web. It's a dark one. It's about
Speaker 2: the Dark Web, Season seven, episode twenty one. See you soon,
Speaker 2: everybody Bye. That's Messed Up as an Exactly Right production.
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Speaker 1: Andrews for our artwork. Thank you to our executive producers
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