Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, what's up this Lyle? Yeah? Who is this?
Speaker 2: Map?
Speaker 1: What's up Matt? How's that?
Speaker 2: Well, life's been pretty terrible in all honesty.
Speaker 1: Let's fucking get into it, baby.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess since since like COVID hit, I've been
Speaker 2: kind of stuck in this house taking care of my
Speaker 2: ninety forty old aunt. Well, yeah, and her h her
Speaker 2: help has just kind of been getting worse and worse
Speaker 2: over time. You know, he doesn't forget who I am
Speaker 2: or anything, but you know, she's kind of in la
Speaker 2: la land, you know what I'm saying. You know, I
Speaker 2: just gotta like I take care of everything. I make
Speaker 2: her food, and I have to clean up after her
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. And it's just been very stressful.
Speaker 1: How often that you have to clean Well, she.
Speaker 2: Doesn't get diary. It's more like she goes to the
Speaker 2: bathroom and there's a how can I say, there's a
Speaker 2: little presence left behind. Sometimes she doesn't make it to
Speaker 2: the toilet fully.
Speaker 1: So like you're picking up logs that like you're picking
Speaker 1: up a bylog by logs? Is that like law side logs?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that occurs on the on the way from the
Speaker 1: chair that she sits in all day to the bathroom, okay,
Speaker 1: what else.
Speaker 2: Home? You know, And it's just it's just kind of
Speaker 2: sad watching her decline. I mean, it's just I mean,
Speaker 2: our family has talked about putting her in a home,
Speaker 2: but she's the type of person she's always been. She's
Speaker 2: always been like a homebody alone. She'd always remember we
Speaker 2: go out or like go out of dinner with her
Speaker 2: or something. She always want to get home right away.
Speaker 2: Not very sociable person, never was married, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So I feel like if we put her in a
Speaker 2: convalescent home or something, she would be gone within the month.
Speaker 2: And it just kind of sucks. What can I do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: How old are you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm gonna be turning twenty sixth on December third?
Speaker 1: Cool man?
Speaker 3: Uh, what what's your life like? I, in all honesty,
Speaker 3: I don't really do much other than you know, I
Speaker 3: keep an ear out for her and then I just
Speaker 3: sort of sit around.
Speaker 2: I do play music, that is something I do as
Speaker 2: like a hobby.
Speaker 1: But uh, you so, I mean did you just was
Speaker 1: that you farting or was that your aunt?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, that was sorry. I didn't expect to
Speaker 2: get a call. So so.
Speaker 1: When you get anxious.
Speaker 2: No, that was my that was my list, dude.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, okay, that's a cute tick. You do
Speaker 1: little raspberries when you get nervous. That's fun.
Speaker 2: A little high.
Speaker 1: You deserve it, you you're out here picking up side logs,
Speaker 1: all right. You deserve to get high and fart all
Speaker 1: over the place.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: All right, So you've been doing this for three years,
Speaker 1: you said, since like the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I mean her health wasn't as bad
Speaker 2: at the very beginning, but she had like a bad
Speaker 2: ball and broke her reds and it's just been downhill
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 1: And you and this has been making you severely depressed
Speaker 1: for the past three years. Yeah, okay. Now, I have
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions about this. Are you the who?
Speaker 1: Where's everyone else? Where's where's your mom? Where's her? Why
Speaker 1: are you? Why is it you who's doing this? Where's everyone?
Speaker 2: My dad's aunt? I mean, he he lives very close by,
Speaker 2: and you know he he comes by every once in
Speaker 2: a while. But there's really my family is very small.
Speaker 2: I have two uncles. They don't live in the same state.
Speaker 2: One of them lives in a different country. You know,
Speaker 2: all her direct family is basically gone, so it's really
Speaker 2: just me and I have a brother, but he's in
Speaker 2: eating school right now.
Speaker 1: Oh mhm, So I guess how old is your brother?
Speaker 2: He's eighteen.
Speaker 1: He's eighteen. And then you're what's your Tell me again
Speaker 1: what your Your dad lives close? But why is he
Speaker 1: not helping you with this?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean he does help out. I mean he's just
Speaker 2: not he's not here every day, Okay.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: It feels a little and I don't know. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't want to speak out of turn here because it's
Speaker 1: I know, it's a These kinds of issues are complicated,
Speaker 1: but it feels unfair to me that you're the only
Speaker 1: one that's sacrificing your life to, you know, help out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I hear that from other people too.
Speaker 1: Well, tell me about this. Let's say that you didn't
Speaker 1: you didn't feel this this deep responsibility to do this,
Speaker 1: What would you be doing with your life instead?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem. I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you must have an inkling of an idea,
Speaker 1: of a sum, any sort of it could even be vague.
Speaker 1: It can you can be like I want to.
Speaker 2: Well, I did go to whatever it is like to
Speaker 2: do audio engineering stuff, but I've always kind of struggled
Speaker 2: with anxiety, and I sort of had a a nervous
Speaker 2: breakdown at one point and that was the end of that.
Speaker 1: That was what will cause? Will cause that nerve? Wait?
Speaker 1: How old? You said? You're sixteen?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, in twenty sixteen that happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, what cause your nervous breakdown?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to get too dark, but I
Speaker 2: was just kind of like I had been seeing somebody
Speaker 2: on campus right like a like a therapist, and they
Speaker 2: preside me and I need a presence because I wasn't
Speaker 2: really doing too great mentally. I don't know. I guess
Speaker 2: I just wasn't a jous staying to the normal every
Speaker 2: day of my life at that point. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. I was smoking a lot of weed
Speaker 2: that probably didn't help.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Are you still smoking a lot of weed?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was
Speaker 2: very young, and when I got to college, I didn't
Speaker 2: want to take my meds anymore because they made me
Speaker 2: feel like a zombie, like I couldn't talk to people.
Speaker 2: It was very hard. Yeah, and you know, I don't
Speaker 2: like to drink, and I guess I got attached at
Speaker 2: smoking bud. Kind of not the greatest thing, but it's
Speaker 2: I guess my self medicate with it in a way.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I'm also turning twenty six in December. A
Speaker 1: big fucking pothead was diagnosed with the ADHD as a
Speaker 1: little kid. But didn't want to take my medication because
Speaker 1: maybe you feel like a fucking zombie. Hmmm, so you
Speaker 1: really have no idea, I mean you have like you
Speaker 1: have no idea at all of anything. Did you graduate?
Speaker 2: No? I dropped that after once semester. I a semester
Speaker 2: and I have since then. I took therapy, and I
Speaker 2: had a couple jobs, and I met my girlfriend and
Speaker 2: and then the pandemic hit and it just kind of
Speaker 2: I've been stuck here.
Speaker 1: You have a girlfriend, well not anymore. M You don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about if you don't want to. But
Speaker 1: what did how long ago? Was was that not a thing?
Speaker 2: Well, it's sort of been an ongoing issue. She she
Speaker 2: moved out in like August. We were just kind of,
Speaker 2: I mean, me dealing with my own issues and her
Speaker 2: having her own problem. I guess we just sort of
Speaker 2: a clash and then you know, doing just tours around
Speaker 2: the house, Like we'd fight over doing the dishes, you
Speaker 2: know that sort of thing. We had a dishwasher here
Speaker 2: and it stopped working, you know, like who who would
Speaker 2: who would have like carry their share and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and it would escalate. It really wasn't healthy. Like I
Speaker 2: don't blame her for leaving, but I guess I just
Speaker 2: can't get over the fact, like it is just I'm
Speaker 2: in a really rough spot and I just kind of
Speaker 2: felt a little like she pushed me away by going.
Speaker 1: Through with that, you know, yeah, yeah, But do you
Speaker 1: have a job? Do you make money?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Not currently?
Speaker 1: Okay? Did you have you had like since you left college,
Speaker 1: have you had a job or has it always.
Speaker 2: Has your had to casheering jobs? M hm. Work at
Speaker 2: a grocery store and then I work at a big loss.
Speaker 1: Do you have any pipe dreams?
Speaker 2: Do I have any? I mean, I like, I'd like
Speaker 2: for people listen to my music, but I don't like
Speaker 2: it's so I I wish I could have the attention
Speaker 2: span just sit down and work on something. But it's
Speaker 2: just a struggle, like I'll have like little bursts of
Speaker 2: ideas and I never follow through on them.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: M hmm. Dear friends, do you see people outside of
Speaker 1: your aunt? Not really, that's what state I have.
Speaker 2: I have plenty of friends in college, but they all
Speaker 2: kind of ghosted me. Uh huh, that's where I left.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: CA's what state you live in? You don't have to
Speaker 1: tell me if you don't want to, but I'm curious. Connecticut, Connecticut?
Speaker 1: All right? Do you live in here? A major city
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: I guess closest would be New York mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with your aunts? Well?
Speaker 2: I I loved my grandmother, who was her sister mm hmmm,
Speaker 2: and they were like is irreseparable and like the both
Speaker 2: of them. My parents were always working when I was
Speaker 2: growing up, so like they both of them kind of
Speaker 2: would watch me. Oh. I guess I just feel some
Speaker 2: sort of deep responsibility because in all honesty, I don't
Speaker 2: really think my uncles care that much like my dad
Speaker 2: does care, but he well I should. I should mention
Speaker 2: my father.
Speaker 5: He's been going through his second bout of cancer on
Speaker 5: top of everything, so that's that's really why he hasn't
Speaker 5: been around here that much.
Speaker 2: Been busy with that, which is obviously understandable. But I
Speaker 2: don't really have a big family. They're all I've got,
Speaker 2: and once they're gone, I mean, yeah, that's it, you know, man,
Speaker 2: this is you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've talked to some people on the
Speaker 1: podcast recently who like had this issue of like taking
Speaker 1: care of somebody versus like living their own lives, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like it's a personal decision,
Speaker 1: but I will say, you know, it's a personal decision.
Speaker 1: I think about, like, you know, do you prioritize yourself
Speaker 1: or is this responsibility that you feel to your family,
Speaker 1: you know, more important than you not hating your life
Speaker 1: if you asked me personally. And I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: the arbiter of everyone's personal choices or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I do think at a certain point, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how this manifests in your actions or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but I do think at a certain point,
Speaker 1: especially you know, with how young you are, like it,
Speaker 1: because it's a detriment to continue to neglect your own
Speaker 1: life to take care of other people. That feels in
Speaker 1: my gut, that feels unhealthy to me.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're just constantly I mean obvious it
Speaker 2: is because I'm really not doing great.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I don't think you And look, man,
Speaker 1: by the way, I want you to know, I think
Speaker 1: it's very noble what you're doing, and you seem like
Speaker 1: a good guy. So it is a bummer that you're
Speaker 1: like not giving yourself the chance to develop your own life,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I and you know, I'm sorry to hear
Speaker 1: about your dad.
Speaker 2: Well he's doing a lot better, but that was that
Speaker 2: was all kind of culminating while my girlfriend was living here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, this was like more towards the being either
Speaker 2: and since then he's been doing a lot better, thankfully.
Speaker 2: It's just been a very hard year. M hm.
Speaker 4: Hm.
Speaker 1: Can how about I mean, how about this if if
Speaker 1: if we were to because you know, look, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna end this phone call, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope that I hope, I hope it was of
Speaker 1: some benefit to talk about this. Is there like, what
Speaker 1: is there one thing, how however fucking small, Is there
Speaker 1: one thing or however big, that you can do just
Speaker 1: for yourself? You know, Like now, like, is do you
Speaker 1: have any idea of what that could be if you
Speaker 1: were just doing one thing for yourself.
Speaker 2: I mean, uh yeah, I don't I really don't know
Speaker 2: what that would entail. I guess it would be nice
Speaker 2: to have, like a vacation, but it's just not something
Speaker 2: that's feasible primely, I do all honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I can't tell you to push your aunt down
Speaker 1: a flight of stairs and go to Mexico, but I
Speaker 1: do think that what uh uh, I'll land I'll land
Speaker 1: on this because this is the case, it's a complicated issue,
Speaker 1: and it's about is a real personal choice. I'll land
Speaker 1: on this. I hope, okay, I'll land on this. I
Speaker 1: hope that every day when you make this choice, that
Speaker 1: you're going to take on this responsibility to help your
Speaker 1: aunt at the expense of, you know, other things that
Speaker 1: you could be doing with your life as a as
Speaker 1: a cool young guy. I hope you are making that
Speaker 1: decision intentionally, and as part of making that decision intentionally,
Speaker 1: you feel good about the decision, instead of making the
Speaker 1: decision and then hating life every day, because that's the
Speaker 1: opposite of having your cake and eating it too. Is
Speaker 1: making an intentional decision about your life and then just
Speaker 1: hating it every day as if you're not in some
Speaker 1: modicum of control. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm nobody's forcing me
Speaker 2: to do this. Like I said, I really don't feel
Speaker 2: like I could live with myself. Will we put her
Speaker 2: in a home or something and then she's dead within
Speaker 2: a month, because I'm pretty sure that's how her mother went.
Speaker 1: She was all up. She's ninety four.
Speaker 2: You said she's my great aunt, not my aunt. I
Speaker 2: want to be specific, buddy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you what to do, man,
Speaker 1: but like, ninety four is a pretty fucking good run.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, I know, a very stubborn one. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you that.
Speaker 1: Ninety four is a good what's your name? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: ninety four is a good run. If you put her
Speaker 1: in a home and she dies, she had a good run. Brother.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's not like, by the way,
Speaker 1: the whole by the way putting her in a I
Speaker 1: don't where were you getting this? Where are you getting
Speaker 1: this from? That put that she will die if you
Speaker 1: put her in a home.
Speaker 2: Because in all honesty, I feel like you know, she's
Speaker 2: very attached to her house. She's incredible. She's always been
Speaker 2: a home buddy. She's been incredibly attached to this house
Speaker 2: her whole life. Well then, well, then like taking her
Speaker 2: out of her environment with.
Speaker 1: Just why doesn't she why doesn't she pay for somebody
Speaker 1: to dude, why doesn't she pay for somebody to help her.
Speaker 2: We've tried, We've tried to get people to come in
Speaker 2: and like through her health insurance, and they only come
Speaker 2: for like a few weeks and then that's it. We've tried,
Speaker 2: We've tried and tried. We're not loaded here, unfortunately, I
Speaker 2: wish we were. But if she got put in the home,
Speaker 2: the house would probably have to get put towards that.
Speaker 2: Like it's a little diar here.
Speaker 1: You have a man butt. But like I I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel bad going on and on about
Speaker 1: this because I don't, but like kind of out us. Look, dude,
Speaker 1: at a certain point, like look, here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that when I'm ninety five years old,
Speaker 1: like you have, she has a little bit of personal responsibility.
Speaker 1: We all know we're gonna get old, and we have
Speaker 1: a little bit of personal responsibility to make sure that
Speaker 1: when we're old and sick. You know, we're not making
Speaker 1: everybody else's you know, lives miserable around us to take
Speaker 1: care of us. And and like, you know, if I
Speaker 1: got to get put in a home and and that's
Speaker 1: what I did instead of making my great grandson miss
Speaker 1: his life and be fucking miserable, then you know, at
Speaker 1: a certain point, at a certain point, I think she's
Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit responsible for this instead of
Speaker 1: like bringing your ass down too, you know. And and
Speaker 1: I I'm sorry, I don't know if it's my place
Speaker 1: to say those things or but like that's just how
Speaker 1: I feel as an outsider looking at this situation.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get what you're saying. She's just like
Speaker 2: she's kind of in la la lamb. Like I don't
Speaker 2: even know if she realizes so it is. It's just
Speaker 2: very difficult.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, now, Matt? Well, Matt, thanks for
Speaker 1: talking about all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I hope, just man, I appreciate you calling me, dude.
Speaker 2: I've been listening to your podcast has been helping me
Speaker 2: stay sane.
Speaker 1: So cool. Well, I'm glad to hear that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 1: If you leave this conversation with anything, I hope it's
Speaker 1: that you are making an intell I just I just
Speaker 1: hope it's that you're making this intentional decision every day
Speaker 1: instead of like letting all of this ship happen to
Speaker 1: you passively, because that's not because that would just to
Speaker 1: me feel like a waste. Because you're you know, you're
Speaker 1: a cool.
Speaker 4: Young guy, all right, So I'm glad you think.
Speaker 1: So thanks for calling, Matt, have a good one.
Speaker 2: Thanks, man, a good one.
Speaker 1: Fuck, dude, I don't know. This stuff is hard for
Speaker 1: me because like I really do, I really don't want
Speaker 1: to tell I Like, I mean, I do it a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I do it a lot, but I really don't. Again,
Speaker 1: it's a personal decision whether you want to sacrifice your
Speaker 1: life for somebody who you feel like you owe some
Speaker 1: kind of debt too. If that's your prerogative, then sure,
Speaker 1: but like, but I don't know, dude. If at a
Speaker 1: certain you know, the sixty year old version of this
Speaker 1: woman would hopefully come up with some kind of plan
Speaker 1: or or or like, you know, for her to be
Speaker 1: put in a home, it's like, oh no, she has
Speaker 1: to make some kind of concession so that her great
Speaker 1: grandson isn't you know, wasting his youth and feeling depressed
Speaker 1: and horrible every day to take care of her. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know I'm a geck on the
Speaker 1: computer or do I fucking.
Speaker 2: Know that either?
Speaker 1: Hello? Hello, who is this?
Speaker 4: My name is sabbenas Venus.
Speaker 1: You know what's up? Sabina?
Speaker 6: Pretty good today?
Speaker 4: I would say, where you call them from?
Speaker 6: I'm calling from Denmark.
Speaker 1: Oh cool? What part of Denmark?
Speaker 6: Copenhagen?
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Man. Copenhagen's just I mean, it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite cities in the world. Man, it's very Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a live everyone's riding, everyone's.
Speaker 4: Eating oh yeah, the bike.
Speaker 1: You know what's fucked up is like Americans are known
Speaker 1: for being obese and gross, but uh, I went over.
Speaker 1: Every time I go over to like Europe, it's like
Speaker 1: everyone's only drinking coke and beer and cakes. Like they
Speaker 1: eat way worse over there, but for some reason they're
Speaker 1: they're not fat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: We eat a lot of how do you put it?
Speaker 6: Crap? It's on a daily basis over here.
Speaker 1: Sweeden is worse though, Yeah, Sweden h the seven eleven.
Speaker 1: I went to a seven eleven it's in Sweden, and
Speaker 1: they had like a spaghetti station there. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: did that you you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Have you tried the fast.
Speaker 1: Mesh fast mash? What's a fast mash.
Speaker 6: It's like a coffee machine. They have it like tank stations,
Speaker 6: but it dispenses like mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you guys have a mashed
Speaker 1: potato dispenser at your seven elevens and we are the
Speaker 1: fat folks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well Sweden has that, it's not in Copenhagen.
Speaker 1: Sadly, yep, all right, I'm gonna have to try that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to try that. It's annoying and I
Speaker 1: just every single one of these podcasts is just gonna
Speaker 1: be me ranting about fast food, which I guess is fine,
Speaker 1: but it's such a bum I'm sure I've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. It's such a bummer that or every classically
Speaker 1: American fast food brand socks in America and is better abroad.
Speaker 1: Like seven eleven is disgusting here in America, but if
Speaker 1: you go to a seven eleven in Sweden, there's like,
Speaker 1: you know, people working there don't seem like they want
Speaker 1: to kill themselves.
Speaker 6: I could I really could imagine I've tried a few,
Speaker 6: like classic American stuff like the food loops and Twinkies
Speaker 6: and all that, and you always hear about how it's
Speaker 6: the greatest and they grew up with it and it's
Speaker 6: nostalgic and it just kind of tastes the same and
Speaker 6: extremely sweet. So I could imagine your seven lemons being
Speaker 6: very greasy.
Speaker 1: Well, Sabina, I feel like you didn't call in to
Speaker 1: talk about seven eleven. So is there anything else in
Speaker 1: particular that you wanted to talk about today? Oh?
Speaker 6: I think it was mostly the need to just talk.
Speaker 6: You know, I've had a rough couple of years, and
Speaker 6: I know that some people call in talk about nothing,
Speaker 6: and sometimes they talk about important stuff, but I think
Speaker 6: I just want to talk to someone. You know, I
Speaker 6: don't have a good relationship with a lot of people.
Speaker 6: But you know, sometimes it's just tough being the friend
Speaker 6: that always has the bad news.
Speaker 1: You know, the friend that always has the bad news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, every time you see someone and.
Speaker 6: They just never have anything good to say, right, And
Speaker 6: I'm extreme the stay of becoming that friend. So it's
Speaker 6: to me, it's become like I just don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: Two anyway, Well, why have you had a rough couple
Speaker 1: of years.
Speaker 6: Well, the first one is going to be a little
Speaker 6: hard to explain. But you've probably heard about the fact
Speaker 6: that in Denmark you get paid.
Speaker 2: To go to school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have heard about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's kind of just like getting paid for
Speaker 6: your job. But it's so integrated into our society that
Speaker 6: we can't function if we don't have that. It's expected
Speaker 6: that we live our lives with the pay we get
Speaker 6: from school. But I took a three year education and
Speaker 6: one day they just all decided that that somehow I
Speaker 6: went to the wrong school or something, and and they
Speaker 6: wanted me to pay it all back.
Speaker 2: And then you went to a school a lot.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you went to a school that Denmark is like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, we actually don't cover this school, so you
Speaker 1: have to give us that money back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, decided that all of a sudden, despite them like
Speaker 6: approving of it.
Speaker 1: Are they allowed to do that? Well, I guess if
Speaker 1: you're a government of a country, you can kind of
Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck you want. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But I had lawyers on it and everything. It wasn't
Speaker 6: just me, it was all the students that went to
Speaker 6: my class. Oh, we had a lawyer. Look, into it,
Speaker 6: and unfortunately, that particular place is protected by one paragraph
Speaker 6: that says that the student is responsible to figure out
Speaker 6: if the state is right in their approval.
Speaker 1: So you did like a class action lawsuit.
Speaker 6: We tried, but unfortunately due to the fact that it
Speaker 6: was already a part of the their rules and you know,
Speaker 6: in terms, and there wasn't really much we could do.
Speaker 6: We just got screwed.
Speaker 1: So how many around? How many? So a bunch of
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who went to the school got
Speaker 1: fun How many people got fucked.
Speaker 6: Well, at first we thought it was twenty four, but
Speaker 6: it turned out that it was also a student from
Speaker 6: earlier years, so around two hundred, and it was also
Speaker 6: people that whether they're from like it's almost ten years ago.
Speaker 6: I think we figured out that got hit by well
Speaker 6: what is it called. They had to pay it back
Speaker 6: for a school.
Speaker 1: They went to, toy damn. So you're just going along
Speaker 1: living your life and all of a sudden, the Danish
Speaker 1: government hits you with a bill for your school that
Speaker 1: you went to ten years ago.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, that's what's happened to them.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious, do you know personally anybody else who
Speaker 1: is in this group of two hundred people, and if so, like,
Speaker 1: do you know what they're doing? What their plan is
Speaker 1: to kind of deal with all this stuff?
Speaker 6: Some of them, many of them dropped out. This happened
Speaker 6: for our class before we were even done with school,
Speaker 6: and many of them dropped out. So I lost contact
Speaker 6: with them automatically. But I had one really close friend
Speaker 6: who she also took a loan on the side. Didn't
Speaker 6: do that really cheap payback as well, if well, if
Speaker 6: the state doesn't get you really but it was almost
Speaker 6: half a million of the English crowns she had to
Speaker 6: pay back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what school for.
Speaker 6: Fasion design?
Speaker 4: Okay? Do you do you?
Speaker 1: Were you able to get some kind of a job.
Speaker 6: Kind of? I'm a freelancer and I'm doing pretty okay.
Speaker 6: It's the session market is the fashion market isn't really
Speaker 6: the biggest and broadest in in Europe or Denmark specifically,
Speaker 6: So I already knew that I couldn't work for like
Speaker 6: a company and I had to go freelancing. So I'm
Speaker 6: a hatmaker in Sweden at the moment, you're doing what
Speaker 6: in Sweden? I'm a a hat maker?
Speaker 1: You make hats in Sweden? Yeah, that's cool. I like
Speaker 1: any kind of job that was, you know, they were
Speaker 1: doing in the seventeen hundreds, and I feel like a
Speaker 1: Swedish hat maker. It's cool that in the year of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, almost twenty twenty four, there are still Swedish
Speaker 1: hat makers.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's it's huge. Whenever a Swedish student gets
Speaker 6: a PhD, they have to get the doctor's head. And
Speaker 6: that's the kind of hats I do. So I have
Speaker 6: a work every six months when they graduate.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's smart. So how much dot are you? And
Speaker 1: from Danish fuckery?
Speaker 6: Well, I was one hundred and seventy five thousand Danish crowns.
Speaker 6: I don't know how much that is, can I can
Speaker 6: I look it up? Requid?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's find that out. Let's see Danish crowns two
Speaker 1: usd okay, one hundred and seventy five one two three,
Speaker 1: it's about twenty five thousand dollars. Yeah, okay, not you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to like student debt, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's not horrible.
Speaker 6: Oh no, not at all compared to like what you
Speaker 6: get in America. From what I hear.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, good dude, some people in America
Speaker 1: are like, you know, high six figures in student debt.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, but it's I mean, it's it is,
Speaker 1: it does. It is made a little bit worse by
Speaker 1: the fact that you didn't, you know, because at least
Speaker 1: the people who go like six figures into debt like
Speaker 1: they knew they were going to take it on, whereas
Speaker 1: you didn't know you were going to even take that
Speaker 1: dead on. You just got fucked by by Denmark.
Speaker 6: This has been the equivalent of having done a job
Speaker 6: for three years and then suddenly your boss comes back
Speaker 6: and say you didn't do your job. Probably therefore you
Speaker 6: have to pay off your entire payment. You have to
Speaker 6: get it back again. M. Well, it took all my savings,
Speaker 6: so I'm out of it luckily, but I don't have
Speaker 6: any money now.
Speaker 1: Are you able to make decent enough money making hats?
Speaker 6: M Yeah, it's okay. I'm probably going to go back
Speaker 6: to school to get some quote unquote real education at
Speaker 6: some point because I can't do it full time, sadly,
Speaker 6: and it's good pay, but it's not you know enough.
Speaker 6: Market's a very expensive city to live in, and even
Speaker 6: more now than ever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what could possibly be realer than being
Speaker 1: a Swedish hat maker.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well when you say when you say a real education,
Speaker 1: what does that mean?
Speaker 6: You know, I've kind of come to the realization that
Speaker 6: i need to have a job, well another job on
Speaker 6: the side, to make it by and to save up
Speaker 6: comfortably and stuff like that. So I'm taking an education
Speaker 6: in children's psychology.
Speaker 4: Oh cool, in January.
Speaker 6: Hopefully, and then I'm going to be like a kindergarten
Speaker 6: teacher for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to say this, Sabina, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that you're struggling, but also on that on the other hand,
Speaker 1: it does it is kind of comforting to hear that
Speaker 1: people are economically fucked in Denmark too, because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of Americans think it's just us.
Speaker 6: No, yeah, no, I think it's everybody, and the entirety
Speaker 6: of Scandinavia is really except no way they're doing great,
Speaker 6: because don't people.
Speaker 1: Always and not by lot, I'm talking about things that
Speaker 1: I just have no idea about, and I just I'm
Speaker 1: like making this all up and have no idea what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. But I feel like people always like
Speaker 1: point to Scandinavia as like, oh, this is how we
Speaker 1: should do things.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, yeah, yeah, in a lot
Speaker 6: of ways we do it. I would never I always
Speaker 6: think about living like somewhere that's really really warm, because
Speaker 6: these days we have minus five degrees celsius, which is
Speaker 6: pretty fucking cold and sweat. I'd love to go somewhere warm.
Speaker 6: But Scandinavia is just.
Speaker 4: It's really really good.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's the inn existenses. But the health care
Speaker 6: and the mental health care is it's nice and it
Speaker 6: doesn't it doesn't put depths on the children.
Speaker 1: If you guys get you guys get free health care
Speaker 1: in Denmark.
Speaker 6: Yes, always paid over the our taxes. Of course we
Speaker 6: have those abnormally high taxes so but but yeah, free
Speaker 6: health care and free mental health care.
Speaker 1: I feel like they give you do they give you
Speaker 1: free popsicles when we go to the doctor, just like
Speaker 1: in general, just if you just get a yearly popsicle
Speaker 1: if you live in Denmark. Mmm.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: But every fourth years when we have like our what's
Speaker 6: it called the change of state the elections, people always
Speaker 6: standing like around the stations and they're giving out free
Speaker 6: bread and sometimes popsicles.
Speaker 1: What's your name against Sabina, Yes, Sabina, well Sabina. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you sound like you're doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: When you said you had a I hope this isn't diminishing.
Speaker 1: But when you said you had a rough couple of years,
Speaker 1: I was expecting far worse. You sound like you're doing okay.
Speaker 6: I am, but I'm doing okay.
Speaker 2: But I've a.
Speaker 6: I'm doing a lot of therapy at the moment for
Speaker 6: a lot of other couple of stuff, and that's really
Speaker 6: working for me. But I'm trying to stay positive, you know,
Speaker 6: mh just I spent the last six months being absolutely miserable.
Speaker 6: I had a terrible deadn't job at that time that
Speaker 6: really knocked me off my feet after the thing. But
Speaker 6: I'm out of it and not to therapy, and that's good.
Speaker 1: Have you have you have you learned? And has therapy
Speaker 1: been helpful for you? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah absolutely. I've done a psychotherapy with meta cognitive treatment.
Speaker 6: I think it's called in English.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's.
Speaker 6: It's learning to uh to look at your own thoughts
Speaker 6: and feeling as neutral I'm not not as a part
Speaker 6: of yourself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard of that stuff, like
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole you are not your thoughts idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, man, because if you're not like,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing to think about, because if you're
Speaker 1: not your thoughts, then what are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's uh. I asked about that as well, and
Speaker 6: my my therapist she said, that's the eternal question that
Speaker 6: they always ask themselves and we should ask ourselves. But
Speaker 6: we are not our thoughts.
Speaker 1: We are not our thoughts. We are a talking gecko
Speaker 1: and a Swedish hat maker. Yes, Sabina, is there anything
Speaker 1: else you want to say to the people of the
Speaker 1: computer before we go?
Speaker 2: I hope that.
Speaker 6: Everybody stands up for themselves and hangs in there, because
Speaker 6: I know everybody is struggling in these times, but I
Speaker 6: think it's going to be better and hopefully somedays the
Speaker 6: how is Margaret Precious.
Speaker 1: Having the rest of the night?
Speaker 6: You too?
Speaker 1: Thank you bye, Sabina. All you know, what I'm realizing
Speaker 1: is that we actually on the I think. On the
Speaker 1: most recent podcast we also had a Danish caller, and
Speaker 1: I also talked a lot about Danish seven eleven for real,
Speaker 1: if you have, if you've ever, if you ever go
Speaker 1: to seven eleven, you've got to get the honey chicken
Speaker 1: at the at the Danish seven eleven. It's really good.
Speaker 1: It's better if you go on like a Yelp or whatever,
Speaker 1: their trip advisor, whatever the fuck, it'll tell you all
Speaker 1: these fancy restaurants. Don't do that. Go to seven eleven
Speaker 1: and get the honey chicken. It's really good.
Speaker 4: All from Jarrett. Hello, Hello, Oh my god, am I
Speaker 4: actually with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What's your name, Doug?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Hey, my name is Jarrett.
Speaker 1: Jarrett. What's happening?
Speaker 4: I need it? Uh? I woke up to your stream
Speaker 4: and was dedicated to get onto it, and now.
Speaker 1: Here we are, Jared, Jared Man, Hell, yeah, what's up?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: What do you well? I feel like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're dedicated to getting on the stream, I feel like
Speaker 1: there was something you wanted to talk about. It's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 4: A while ago, it was like the biggest thing I
Speaker 4: wanted to do because I was like really depressed and
Speaker 4: I just needed like somebody random and anonymous to talk to.
Speaker 4: And then I saw your stream and then I was
Speaker 4: just like, oh, this is perfect, and so I set
Speaker 4: aside some time because I'm like always busy now and
Speaker 4: I hate it to try and talk to you. And well,
Speaker 4: now here I am. But now life is kind of okay.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit better, but it's still ambiguous, and
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by ambiguous?
Speaker 4: Well, I have all these things going for me, but
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like I'm getting nowhere in life,
Speaker 4: and I feel like I'm wasting a lot of opportunity,
Speaker 4: and I feel really bad about it, and I just
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm in college, I have jobs, I
Speaker 4: work with my parents, but I'm going nowhere.
Speaker 1: What opportunity do you have that you feel as though
Speaker 1: you were wasting.
Speaker 4: The fact that I go to college. I know that's
Speaker 4: not I know it's like something a lot of people
Speaker 4: in America do, but like a lot of people also
Speaker 4: don't get the chance to go to college. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just I went into I went to school, or
Speaker 4: I went to high school just because it was the
Speaker 4: only thing to do, and then I went to college
Speaker 4: just because it was the only thing to do. My
Speaker 4: parents were just you know, telling me, like, it's the
Speaker 4: best thing for you. So I did it without thinking
Speaker 4: about what was after that or what else I could do,
Speaker 4: because I don't know, like what I want to do
Speaker 4: with my life. I like doing small, niche hobbies. I
Speaker 4: like like like blacksmithing and rock climbing, not papers and essays.
Speaker 1: And we are on the cusp of World War three,
Speaker 1: which will be fought with guns, but famously, world War
Speaker 1: four will be fought with sticks and stones. So if
Speaker 1: you get in early on the blacksmithing in about thirty years,
Speaker 1: you might be the most in demand skillsmen in the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 4: Then I can't wait for World War four.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make a lot of money off of World
Speaker 1: War four. How old are you?
Speaker 4: I'm twenty?
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean you why?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I still after everything you've told me, don't understand why
Speaker 1: you feel guilty or like you're wasting something. What do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're wasting? Well?
Speaker 4: Everything that I do, I well, at least recently. No,
Speaker 4: that's not true, because my whole life I feel like
Speaker 4: I haven't really achieved anything other than just kind of
Speaker 4: getting by, And like.
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you supposed to have achieved by now?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I look at all my friends
Speaker 4: around me, and they've achieved stuff, like some of them
Speaker 4: are already.
Speaker 1: No, like which of your hold on, hold on, hold
Speaker 1: on which of your friends are millionaires.
Speaker 4: I have this one friend, Okay, I don't want to
Speaker 4: get too specific, but I went to a private school
Speaker 4: with a bunch of like richie prissy kids, and they're
Speaker 4: pretty nice. But one of them's already like he invested
Speaker 4: in like crypto and stuff like that, and now he's
Speaker 4: a millionaire and he's like, it's oh man. And then
Speaker 4: another person like they're already ahead on their college degree
Speaker 4: and they're already like they're already graduated college and they're
Speaker 4: onto their or their PhD.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, before them. Look, look, look some people,
Speaker 1: some hold on. Some people got a lot of money
Speaker 1: from their parents, put it into cryptocurrency and it made
Speaker 1: them a lot of money, and that's what happened to them.
Speaker 1: That's their life. Who gives a ship Does an affect
Speaker 1: you at all?
Speaker 4: That's true, I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, And by the way, that's not really I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what if that's I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to knock it. I mean it's you know,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of money. That's always it's cool.
Speaker 1: Having a lot of money is cool, but like, well
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't really do anything.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? What do you want
Speaker 1: to what do you want to do? What do you like? Actually?
Speaker 1: Because I mean right now, you're just getting mad at
Speaker 1: yourself because you don't have ten Ethereum, I.
Speaker 4: Guess I don't know. That's the other thing I want
Speaker 4: to talk to about this. I have no clue. I've
Speaker 4: never known what I wanted to do with my life.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: I've always just enjoyed the hobbies that I do.
Speaker 1: All right, What are the hobbies that you do aside
Speaker 1: from just blacksmithing'.
Speaker 4: I like rock climbing, skateboarding, uh, scuba diving? What else?
Speaker 4: I play music? I love playing like piano. Whenever I'm
Speaker 4: like frustrated.
Speaker 1: Bro, it sounds like you do a lot of things.
Speaker 4: I do a lot I have. I do martial arts
Speaker 4: and stuff too. It's just I don't know, man, I
Speaker 4: can't make a career I have any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: You're a renaissance man, you know. I uh so, So
Speaker 1: it's what it's about, like making money?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mainly I just want to be successful, not
Speaker 4: about making money, but just enough to like live comfortably
Speaker 4: and to support a family, because I do want a
Speaker 4: family one day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, This is all interesting because I I,
Speaker 1: you know, well, what does successful look.
Speaker 4: Like to you? What my parents are like right now
Speaker 4: is actually like the best example. My dad, he was
Speaker 4: kind of in the same boat as me, and then
Speaker 4: he found my mom and then they were just on
Speaker 4: their own for their entire like thirties, and my mom
Speaker 4: became a vet or she was a vet, and then
Speaker 4: that's when they met, and then they kind of just
Speaker 4: started building a life off of that, and then over
Speaker 4: time they started upgrading and upgrading, Like they were in
Speaker 4: a little apartment when I was born, and then they
Speaker 4: moved on to like buying a house during the housing
Speaker 4: crisis of two thousand meets.
Speaker 1: But so are you saying that but like by having
Speaker 1: a big house is successful for you.
Speaker 4: No, We're not in a big house. It's just like
Speaker 4: a medio gresse. I'm just saying, like, if I could
Speaker 4: own my own place live, make enough to like buy
Speaker 4: to buy groceries for the week, and to also like
Speaker 4: going vacations.
Speaker 1: Number what's the number? What's an amount of money? Who
Speaker 1: do you want to make.
Speaker 4: That? I want to at least a million year?
Speaker 1: You want to.
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: Fuck you shut the fuck up. You're like you said.
Speaker 1: You said, well, it's funny because you said I want
Speaker 1: to I just want to have enough to support a family,
Speaker 1: and because you went from you, dude, you just went
Speaker 1: from I want to have enough to support a family
Speaker 1: and get groceries and blah blah blah, and then you
Speaker 1: were like, I want to make a million dollars a year, which, hey,
Speaker 1: it's seventy years. That might be the number to support
Speaker 1: a family and get groceries, but it's not right now.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, maybe like five K, that five hundred K.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you want to make five hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say at least that then, because that
Speaker 4: between five hundred k. And I was like, it's like
Speaker 4: the average, I guess, or not like the average for
Speaker 4: everybody in America.
Speaker 1: But just like, dude, hold on, five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: all right. I don't know what school you went to,
Speaker 1: but it is brainwashed you. Five hundred thousand dollars is
Speaker 1: not the average salary in America.
Speaker 4: I know, No, I know, I meant, I meant, I
Speaker 4: meant that, like like like in general, I guess it's
Speaker 4: just what I want, what I want, that's my success.
Speaker 1: And Okay, that's yours. That's that's that's yours. But there's
Speaker 1: nothin I'm not, by the way, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: wanting to make a lot of money. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with that if that's if that's your
Speaker 1: prerogative in life. Okay, so you want to make five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least I would say, because that's that's what
Speaker 4: I mean by live comfortably, because then you can like
Speaker 4: get the things you want and still have enough to
Speaker 4: pay the bills and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna buy all right, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: a few things. One is that money is like a tool,
Speaker 1: you know, if you just and if you just start
Speaker 1: randomly spouting off like, oh, I want to make five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars because that's how much it costs to
Speaker 1: live comfortably. You're you you need to I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: practical with you on this. You need to do this,
Speaker 1: and you need to reverse your thinking on this, okay,
Speaker 1: because you actually need to start from the other end,
Speaker 1: because you're starting with a number and then working backwards
Speaker 1: with a life, right, So why don't you start with
Speaker 1: a life and then come up with a number from there. Right,
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying to you right now?
Speaker 1: So go ahead and go, I'm gonna this is real
Speaker 1: like shit, So you go, Okay, I want to be
Speaker 1: able to do this and do this and have this
Speaker 1: and then this, and then you get your number from there,
Speaker 1: because you might What you might actually find out is
Speaker 1: that if your goal is to support a family and
Speaker 1: have groceries, it actually doesn't cost five hundred thousand dollars. Hum,
Speaker 1: I guess, So do you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 4: Or's is okay?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? I guess that's the normal way to look
Speaker 4: at it. Then I don't know, just hyper inflated throughout
Speaker 4: like thinking throughout my life.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, because you're crazy and you grew up
Speaker 1: around a bunch of crazy people who all have a
Speaker 1: million dollars in in in doge coin or whatever. But uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, like what also?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean you're also twenty man? Like what?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Gars a bay? Any of this stuff? Go go be poor.
Speaker 4: I'm a junior in college too, and I've failed at
Speaker 4: least three classes and okay, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: gonna graduate on time and all that kind of like stress.
Speaker 4: My parents are kind of like they're not like strict,
Speaker 4: but they're also they also like want me to do well,
Speaker 4: so they stay on top of me quite a bit.
Speaker 4: And if I ever like get like a C or
Speaker 4: a D, then they start to like really pounce on me.
Speaker 4: So when I failed three courses in a year, they
Speaker 4: were not happy with me.
Speaker 1: So okay, and what do you now? I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of floating, bro, what's your name again?
Speaker 4: Jarrett?
Speaker 1: Jarrett? Jarrett Jarrett? You're crazy?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I hold on, Jarrett, You're no, You're it's you're the
Speaker 1: good kind of crazy. Okay, all right, let's get can
Speaker 1: we can we I'm just trying to calm down for
Speaker 1: a second. What are you? What are you studying in school?
Speaker 4: Currently? My major is biochemistry, but I want to change
Speaker 4: it over to chemistry because I don't know it just
Speaker 4: chemistry just comes easier to me than biology.
Speaker 1: Jarret, Do you like chemistry?
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's exciting enough to me to be like,
Speaker 4: oh I could I could stare at this for hours?
Speaker 1: Okay, It's it's good enough that you could do it
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: That's that's why that's where I come. That's where like
Speaker 4: my inner conscience comes in, and it's just like, well,
Speaker 4: hold on their pal and I'm like, I'm very scared
Speaker 4: to commit to it because I like doing other things too.
Speaker 1: Okay, because honestly, because you know, also, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with like, I mean, Jared, you're a
Speaker 1: renaissance man. You listed off like six different hobbies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong at all with
Speaker 1: having some shitty jade day job and then on the
Speaker 1: side doing your hobbies and living your life.
Speaker 4: I guess so.
Speaker 1: But I still, I'm still I just the reason I
Speaker 1: said you're crazy is because for a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: is because you are, like, oh, I'm twenty and I
Speaker 1: haven't accomplished anything yet, and I'm gonna beat myself up
Speaker 1: about it and freak out about it because I don't
Speaker 1: have a million dollars in cryptocurrency like my friend does
Speaker 1: care and also, you know, I need to make five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to buy groceries. You know. You're yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta come, you gotta come back down
Speaker 1: to earth. My friend, you'll have a good time here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more than just the fact I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm kind of scared to talk about a
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff. But I don't really care at
Speaker 4: this point. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Why what do you hold on? What are you Why
Speaker 1: are you scared to talk about this stuff?
Speaker 4: Because like that's just like the start, that's where it starts.
Speaker 4: I just I don't think I'm a failure in life,
Speaker 4: because like I crashed my car a lot and I
Speaker 4: had to pay it all off, so I lost all
Speaker 4: my money, and then I failed college. I barely made
Speaker 4: it out of high school. Well it's not completely true,
Speaker 4: but like yeah, and then I said, like I didn't
Speaker 4: really achieve anything. I don't have anything out there with
Speaker 4: my name on it other than like maybe my Instagram.
Speaker 1: Bro, you're you're scuba diving in blacks thing. You're not
Speaker 1: a failure.
Speaker 4: Those aren't Like.
Speaker 1: But I just Jared, listen, I'm not taking back what
Speaker 1: I said about you being crazy. You're crazy, but you're
Speaker 1: not a failure. Okay, you're not. You're not a failure.
Speaker 1: You're you're too you're too young to write yourself off
Speaker 1: as a failure. Because you got into a car accident
Speaker 1: and because you are skipping. You know, you fucked up
Speaker 1: some classes. You just stop doing that. Don't write, don't
Speaker 1: write yourself off as a failure. Okay, just stop doing
Speaker 1: that today, all right?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, mister, okay, yeah, it just it gets to.
Speaker 1: Me you're not You're not You're not a failure because you,
Speaker 1: you know, fucked up a little bit here and there,
Speaker 1: as in, you're at the age of twenty and I mean,
Speaker 1: let me ask you a couple of questions. Did you
Speaker 1: kill anyone in this car accident?
Speaker 4: No? No, no, no no?
Speaker 1: Did you get did you get three five times above
Speaker 1: the alcohol limit for driving and murder a six year
Speaker 1: old girl? Lord?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: All right, look, these these are my standards for for failure.
Speaker 1: All right. Did you did you get somebody pregnant?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: God, okay, I wish I did though, But no, dude,
Speaker 1: you're crazy, all right?
Speaker 4: I want it like because that would mean I would
Speaker 4: have a relationship with something like a really strong.
Speaker 1: Really no, you don't know you dude. Okay, here's the thing. No,
Speaker 1: because here's the thing I want you to. I want
Speaker 1: you to know something. Oh you know something?
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, you.
Speaker 1: You having no money and being twenty is fine. You
Speaker 1: having no money and being twenty and having a kid
Speaker 1: is not fine. But you haven't. You having no money
Speaker 1: m right now and it's just you and you're not
Speaker 1: responsible for anyone else. Yeah, you're fine, You're not a failure.
Speaker 1: You're fine. Okay, Okay, all right, you're fine. Just can
Speaker 1: you trust me that you're fine?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I was saying to you,
Speaker 1: but uh, look, you didn't fucking kill anything like just
Speaker 1: you've given me no reason as to why you're a
Speaker 1: failure who should go die in the woods. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm sensing is how you feel about yourself. And
Speaker 1: I don't think you should you should feel that way anymore.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, thank you. I just I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: been I don't know. Maybe it's been getting in my
Speaker 4: own head. I don't know. It's just it's been rough
Speaker 4: for me at least lately. And that's why I wanted
Speaker 4: to talk to you.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the conversation that we've had
Speaker 1: so far?
Speaker 4: I guess better kind of made me also chat really
Speaker 4: helped with like them flaming on me. You realize I know.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the chat. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're I don't really care.
Speaker 4: Whether they or not they're flaming on you, but they
Speaker 4: can flame.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Ah, you're fucking crazy, dude, Jared. Why don't you
Speaker 1: go make Why don't you go? You know what? You
Speaker 1: know what? I think you need to do what I
Speaker 1: think you're two in your head and you got to
Speaker 1: go make a sword?
Speaker 4: Dude? You're right.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go make a sword? Dude?
Speaker 4: That is a good idea. Just spend some time making
Speaker 4: a sword. It's cold outside, though, to make a sword,
Speaker 4: because that's where the forges go.
Speaker 1: Buddy, go make a fucking go be a back smith,
Speaker 1: Go be Skyrim. Go make a fucking sword in the cold.
Speaker 1: Do it? That sounds awesome. I want to make a
Speaker 1: sword in the cold, I guess so in the snow.
Speaker 1: That sounds sick, dude.
Speaker 4: I'll save it for breaks because I have finals and
Speaker 4: shit coming up to thank you to study four.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go do that and just I don't know, Jared,
Speaker 1: don't beat yourself up so much because you don't have
Speaker 1: a million dollars.
Speaker 4: Thank you, mister gecko.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before.
Speaker 4: We go, one more thing. I've been wanting to save
Speaker 4: this on such a big platform for so long. Learn
Speaker 4: to trim your animals toenails. Please, for the love of God,
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: I'm very glad that you chimed in with maybe the
Speaker 1: most random thing you possibly could have said. At the
Speaker 1: end of this call, thank you for that.
Speaker 4: You're welcome, Take care, Jared, good luck, you two get go.
Speaker 1: Who I want all? I want a million dollars. I'd
Speaker 1: be sick. But you know what, we can't all have.
Speaker 1: We can't all have a million dollars in cryptocurrency, and
Speaker 1: if we did, it would be worthless. That's what. That's what.
Speaker 1: That's what. Maybe the government should just give us all
Speaker 1: a million dollars and we'd all be happy. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna run for president and
Speaker 1: my platform is that I'm gonna give Didn't Kanye West
Speaker 1: say that once? Didn't he say that we should give
Speaker 1: every baby a million dollars? He was right about that,
Speaker 1: we should give every baby a million dollars. Every week
Speaker 1: and goes on the line taking your phone calls every
Speaker 1: nighte every week and goes to his lie.
Speaker 4: Was teaching you a
Speaker 1: Loud in the memory line, but he's not ready an
Speaker 1: expert