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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show, Stephen Moore as our guest Texas Rising.

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Speaker 1: You know, there have been the glorified versions of Doc

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Speaker 1: this I guess it was somewhat glorified depiction of them

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Speaker 1: that made clear that they were half law man, half

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Speaker 1: bad guy. But you don't the Texas Rangers seem to

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Speaker 1: have a much cleaner image. Is that just better better

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Speaker 1: pr or was that true?

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Speaker 2: You know, they had an equal number of guys that

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Speaker 2: were a little bit on the rough side, and you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of had some rougher images. I mentioned one part

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Speaker 2: in there where some of the Rangers ride to the

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Speaker 2: salvation of a family that's been attacked and lost a

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Speaker 2: few family members, and the story is there they removed

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Speaker 2: the heads of a couple of the Indians and put

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Speaker 2: them on stakes and set them out as a grim

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Speaker 2: reminder of what would happen if they did this again.

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Speaker 2: So there were some rough characters, if you will, that

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Speaker 2: rode with the Rangers at times, not all clean guys.

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Speaker 2: And the white hats is you know, Hollywood might show

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Speaker 1: Tell us about the Alamo and things that we might

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Speaker 1: not have known. Are that in your research revealed things

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Speaker 1: that you were not aware of that you thought were interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, when it was all said and down, there were

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Speaker 2: somewhere in the neighborhood of sixteen to eighteen survivors, mainly

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Speaker 2: women and children. But there was one man of Mexican

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Speaker 2: as a prisoner against his will, and Santa Anna spared him.

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Speaker 2: There were at least six others that were still alive

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Speaker 2: at the end that were executed by Santa Anna.

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Speaker 1: Let me interrupt you, Steven. I read a book about

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Speaker 1: Davy Crockett called David Crockett a year and a half

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Speaker 1: ago or so. And at the very end in It's

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Speaker 1: not the Postlog, whatever they call it, after the book

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Speaker 1: is over, he goes back and he says, look, everybody's

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Speaker 1: asked me to address Baby Crockett's death, and the truth is,

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Speaker 1: we can't be sure. There's a body of thought that

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Speaker 1: he was killed at the Alamo during the fighting. There's

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Speaker 1: a bigger body of thought that he was taken. He

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Speaker 1: was taken by Santa Anna, and that Santa Anna figured

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Speaker 1: out who he was and had a sword run through him.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: My thought is, after reading a good number of things

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Speaker 2: the Alamo there, but it's not going to be one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent certain. There's still going to be that shadow

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Speaker 2: of doubt because of varying accounts that go on. A

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Speaker 2: friend of mine, Jim Donovan, did a book called Blood

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Speaker 2: of He Rose about the Alamo, and he examines that

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Speaker 2: pretty close and by the time he's said and done

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Speaker 2: researching it, he feels like Crockett had probably died before

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Speaker 2: those six guys were executed at the end, but that

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Speaker 2: is not one hundred percent certain. I kind of leaned

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Speaker 2: toward he has already died fighting, but everybody's got their

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Speaker 2: opinion based on which account they read.

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Speaker 1: M Can you hang with us for a minute, Yes, sir?

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Speaker 1: Are you excited about it? Are you just sort of okay?

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Speaker 1: I will have to do it now?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm loving this. This was great. I mean last

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Speaker 2: night getting to come out with the folks at the

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Speaker 2: Alamo was just the treat of my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Do I sound smart with some of my questions? You

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Speaker 1: do done any research? I just love it. I'm just kidding. Steven,

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Speaker 1: all right, hold tight, Texas rising more about the Alamo.

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Speaker 1: Your questions like, was jimbu as cool as we hope?

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Speaker 1: You'd be extremely entertaining, But Michael Berry said, Michael Berry

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Speaker 1: shows never came, never came. Damn it, they never came.

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Speaker 1: Steven Moore, Why didn't they send reinforcements.

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Speaker 2: Well, you had Sam Houston culling for the guys down

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Speaker 2: in Goliad to move up there. There were a whole

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Speaker 2: number of excuses while they couldn't get out with broken

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Speaker 2: see in the show. You know how curious that makes Houston.

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Speaker 2: But as we know, in the end, the guys down

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Speaker 2: the Goliad they get their own battle and they have

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Speaker 2: their own massacre. Lots of reasons here and there that'll

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Speaker 1: it was the right tactical move for Sam Houston not

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Speaker 2: Well, I explained some of that in the book, and

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Speaker 1: That comes by the book. I just want to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was getting intelligence to go to the

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Speaker 2: The battle didn't work out that way. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the Goliad massacre and obviously one of the

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Speaker 2: Possibly because of the the ill fame of the commander

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Speaker 2: shooting squads. Only about twenty eight of those guys made

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Speaker 1: William Barrett Travis. Has his historical coverage been adequate to

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Speaker 1: his role? I mean, where do you place him in

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Speaker 2: He was a great gri in that time. I mean

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Speaker 2: he was a co commander with Bowie at the Alamo.

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Speaker 2: His words of inspiration made it to the United States,

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Speaker 2: His words have lived long beyond his death in March

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Speaker 1: Especially Stephen Moore is the author of Texas Rising, which

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Speaker 1: will be made into a site, which has been made

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Speaker 1: Jim Bowie who was he?

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Speaker 2: Jim Bowe was known more famously as a knife fighter

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Speaker 2: He was kind of an opportunist, made it in with

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Speaker 2: his brothers, had some involvement in slave trading and various

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Speaker 2: other things. One of the many people that comes to

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Speaker 2: Texas to get a new start, to make money, to

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Speaker 2: do land deals, and during the course of the revolution

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Speaker 2: he of course makes his way to the Alamo with

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Speaker 2: some of his volunteers. He's kind of a big name

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Speaker 2: across the states, just like Davy Crockett was. And Crockett

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Speaker 2: put out his famous call, you want to let me

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Speaker 2: to office again, Well you can all go to Hell,

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Speaker 2: I'll go to Texas. So Booey and Crockett two of

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Speaker 2: the more famous names it became martyrs at the Alamo.

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Speaker 1: The Crockett biography I read, and actually another piece I

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Speaker 1: read on him claimed he was the first authentically American hero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of thought that he was

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Speaker 2: one of those guys that might have become US president

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Speaker 2: if he had lived, you know, a number of years later.

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Speaker 2: So his loss was a big one felt, not just

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Speaker 1: What about the Alamo is most striking in your research?

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Speaker 1: What is the thing that you know we all bring.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen movies, we've heard the stories. We

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Speaker 1: have a general sense of what happened. As you dug in,

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Speaker 1: what stuck out to you as Wow, that's that's incredible

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that sticks in everybody's minds is

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Speaker 2: just that defiant attitude. There were plenty of opportunities to leave,

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Speaker 2: to abandon it, or as Houston had ordered, blow it up,

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Speaker 2: But the guys that got in there, at Bowie and

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Speaker 2: do it. Unfortunately, they never got the reinforcements other than

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Speaker 2: that defiant attitude is kind of what sticks with Texas,

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Speaker 2: just like how it started with Come and Take It.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Stephen, can you hold one moment? I

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Speaker 1: will one more segment with Stephen Moore. He's the author

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Speaker 1: of Texas Rising, The epic true story of the Lone

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Speaker 1: Star Republic and the Rise of the Texas Rangers eighteen

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Speaker 1: thirty six, eighteen forty six. The series begins on the

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Speaker 1: History Channel Memorial Day Weekend, and we talked off air

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Speaker 1: during the break, We're going to bring Stephen to Houston

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Speaker 1: to the Redneck Country Club. Let him speak for a bit.

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Speaker 1: And then answer your questions and have a conversation about

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Speaker 1: this book and that period, and then of course do

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Speaker 2: Mike Barry Show, Michael Berry Show, had shop legend forever more,

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Speaker 2: Baby Bay Crockett of the Wildfront.

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Speaker 1: Don't read the David Crockett book. I think the author's

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Speaker 1: name was Wallace that I read because he will dispel

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Speaker 1: every myth in that song. He wasn't born on a mountaintop.

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Speaker 1: He was actually born in a valley, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: It's better to live with the legend. Steven, are you

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Speaker 1: in for next Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: I'm in. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: We have shamed Stephen Moore into coming down to join

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Speaker 1: us next Tuesday evening, which will be May twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: seven pm the Redneck Country Club.

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Speaker 2: It'll never be the same.

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Speaker 1: It'll never be the same for us or you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if you could dress in period costume, that'd be nice,

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Speaker 1: but whatever you wear will be okay, man, I want

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Speaker 1: to put an extra pressure on your here with just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me drag out my crocket costumes. See if I

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Speaker 1: Still, do you really have one?

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Speaker 1: Next Tuesday, Sandy Peterson will be leading the discussion for

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Speaker 1: she's the head of our book club, the Redneck Readers.

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Speaker 1: She will be leading the discussion. Uh, We'll ask Stephen

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Speaker 1: answer with Sandy and questions from the audience which you

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Speaker 1: can email to Sandy in the meantime, and then afterwards

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Speaker 1: a book signing and mingling as it were. There'll be

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Speaker 1: no orders though, because that doesn't seem like you know,

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Speaker 1: early Texas history. We'll just have We'll just have chunks

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Speaker 1: of venison barely cooked or so, I don't know something.

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Speaker 1: Texas Rising is the book. It's the companion to the

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Speaker 1: mini series that History Channel will release on will begin

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Speaker 1: airing on Memorial Days. The epic true story of the

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Speaker 1: Lone Star Republic and the Rise of the Texas Rangers

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Speaker 1: eighteen thirty six to eighteen forty six. The old line

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Speaker 1: we always heard growing up, One Riot, one Ranger, Steven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the most famous the supports that claim that you

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Speaker 1: That will be next Tuesday night. Steven Moore will be here.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Moore is his name. The project is Texas Rising

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Speaker 1: Well, you think up what all you want to do,

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