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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Aenius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm as Williams.

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Speaker 1: We have with us today a legend from the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers. That's right, I'll sit again, Frank Mitchell Winters

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Speaker 1: and even though it's fall, we're getting ready Frank for

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Speaker 1: the Packers on Thursday night. What's the weirdest thing you've

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Speaker 1: heard a crazy pack of fans say that you can remember.

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Speaker 1: It's different being a pack of player versus any I

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Speaker 1: think in any of the player. Because I tell people,

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Speaker 1: you know you you you have to answer to the

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Speaker 1: pack of fans because they consider themselves to the on

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Speaker 1: it because a lot of them are on this. Do

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Speaker 1: they care? So they do? They do? They let you

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Speaker 1: know there in Owner they wear their shirts that say

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Speaker 1: owner and stuff like that. But one thing about the

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Speaker 1: fans in Green Bay that they respect everybody. They treat

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Speaker 1: you well and uh, they're truly remarkable. What did the

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Speaker 1: cheese come from? It's the cheese cheese head. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's uh, you know, there's there's there's legends

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Speaker 1: and stories about a person who was in a plane

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Speaker 1: crash was wearing a cheese head and survived and they

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Speaker 1: claim that that that had the guy survived because it

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Speaker 1: was it was protecting his head. True story. You could

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Speaker 1: probably google it. Uh, the rumor is. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's an ingenious move they have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have cheese heads, they have cheese buns,

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Speaker 1: they I mean they have a cheese of everything, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's an ingenious thing they have. If you

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Speaker 1: notice you turn your cheese the cheese head upside down,

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Speaker 1: it's actually you could fit three beers and a natural

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Speaker 1: thing in the middle. So it's it's actually a hold

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Speaker 1: where you can carry your good you just purchased from

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Speaker 1: the concession stands back to your seat. So I was

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Speaker 1: playing during the winter lambeau Field really an advantage for

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Speaker 1: you guys most definitely. I mean it was, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we you know, it was really weird because most of

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Speaker 1: guys from Florida far was from from Mississippi that we

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Speaker 1: we didn't like playing in the cold, but we we

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Speaker 1: we when we played against like teams that came in

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Speaker 1: remember we played the Raiders one it was minus thirty

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Speaker 1: eight degrees and we alight, we came out, does it

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Speaker 1: even look? What does it even feel like? It's cold?

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Speaker 1: It's cold, I mean, what does the body feel like?

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Speaker 1: Uh No, it's it's it's it's not bad when it's

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Speaker 1: a dry cold um. But we played the Raiders one

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Speaker 1: year and it was minus thirty eight and how we

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Speaker 1: Long was playing and they hate great towns, and they

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Speaker 1: said some great players and they forget they came out

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Speaker 1: with no sleeves on, and they went in at halftime

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Speaker 1: they wanted right after warm up came out and all

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Speaker 1: we won that game right then and there that we

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Speaker 1: They actually threw how he longed out of the game

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Speaker 1: the field. It was like it was it was so bad.

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Speaker 1: But but it's it's that's just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: get home field in the playoffs, it would be tough

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Speaker 1: to beat us two. How much have you seen the

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Speaker 1: game change? Well, the game has changed from what I

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Speaker 1: I mean with the rules and stuff. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: basically it's it's it's for the protection of the players,

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Speaker 1: these owners who are making huge investments and these players

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Speaker 1: with so much the game going going further with passing,

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Speaker 1: which have you phone off the linements enjoyed the most

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Speaker 1: run blocking one? Well, I mean if you're an old

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Speaker 1: just running the ball down your opponent's throat, and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing more rewarding because first of all, the game gets

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Speaker 1: great day too. But but when it's nothing more rewarding,

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Speaker 1: when you can run the ball down a team's throat

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Speaker 1: the team win. Speaking of coaches, what was the life

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Speaker 1: plan with Bret For coach Mike Uh, he was a

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Speaker 1: great guy. He was you know, he was. He was

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Speaker 1: You know. Mike was a tough guy. He demanded a

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