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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Nothing much, It's good to talk to you as always.

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Speaker 1: Let's start here. Okay, the we're here for draft stuff,

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Speaker 1: but fre agency comes first, and that is gonna dictate

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways what teams do in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants are in search for a quarterback. What

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Speaker 1: is the free agency situation going to be at quarterback

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Speaker 1: with veterans and the trade market, which might dictate what

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Speaker 1: the Giants want to do with.

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Speaker 3: Three Yeah, I mean, it's all it's all interesting, and

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Speaker 3: it's all out there, and it feels like more this year.

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Speaker 3: There's there's more up in the air than than I

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Speaker 3: can remember in the past. I mean, there's guys like

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford from the Rams, whose situation is as of

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Speaker 3: right now, unsettled right now, I would expect the Giants

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Speaker 3: to have some interest there other teams too. Raiders would

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Speaker 3: be a team. But you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: different ways that the quarterback needy teams can go. And

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Speaker 3: the position the Giants are in is they have to

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Speaker 3: check out everything. So whether it's Matthew Stafford, whether it's

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Speaker 3: if the Steelers decided to move on from him, which

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Speaker 3: we'll see about that. My sense is all the options

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Speaker 3: are on the table for the Giants and then you know,

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Speaker 3: you turn to the draft and it's like they picked

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Speaker 3: number three. As of now, I could see them having

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Speaker 3: interest in moving up. I think Joe Shane said it

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Speaker 3: today and we'll see where that goes. But like at

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Speaker 3: the end of all this in like a month, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be that surprised if they ended up doing both

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Speaker 3: of those things, which is get a veteran, get a

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Speaker 3: young guy, throw a lot of stuff at it, and

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Speaker 3: just kind of see where it ends up.

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Speaker 2: This league wide search to get some veteran quarterbacks who

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Speaker 2: were on the top shelf and free agency or train

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Speaker 2: does Stafford have to be the first donut to fall

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Speaker 2: for everybody else to follow.

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Speaker 3: To me, it feels like, yes, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: you know, nothing has to happen at all. The Rams

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Speaker 3: could go, you know, they they they hold the cards.

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Speaker 3: They could say we're just we're not trading them. We're good.

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Speaker 3: But that to me is where it feels like, which is,

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Speaker 3: nothing's gonna happen until Matthew stafford situation is resolved, whether

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Speaker 3: stays with the Rams, then it's like, okay, well then

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Speaker 3: the Giants still need a quarterback. The Raiders still need

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Speaker 3: a quarterback, The Browns still need a quarterback. The Titans

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Speaker 3: will see what they do now they hold number one.

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Speaker 3: If Stafford goes to let's say the Raiders, it's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: well then the Rams still need a quarterback. Right, So

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Speaker 3: either way, there's still the same number of teams that

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Speaker 3: need one. But it does feel like this will be

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Speaker 3: the first domino to go.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Stafford. What's gonna be the big deciding factor there?

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Speaker 1: Is it gonna be the Rams willingness to pay? Is

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Speaker 1: it gonna be what team Stafford wants to go? To

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Speaker 1: because he's control out of the situation right where you're

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, he doesn't have a no trade clause

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Speaker 3: lot of things. The Rams will control where he gets traded. Right,

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Speaker 3: So if the Rams say we're not trading you, then

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Speaker 3: his choices retire or not or play for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: Then that's the choice, right, So the Rams that were

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Speaker 3: do I play? Under what conditions? Do I play? Do

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Speaker 2: And all that?

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Speaker 3: It's complicated, but like they're all complicated, you know. That's

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Speaker 3: that's that's why you know these quarterback situations are so

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Speaker 2: How does Pittsburgh's whole thing kind of sort itself out?

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Speaker 2: Because they're in this mix too. They've got guys who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Omar Khan said today. Omar Khan said

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Speaker 3: So if we take that at face value, then figure

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Speaker 3: they're going to sign either Russell Wilson or Justin Field.

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Speaker 3: The other will be a free agent. You know. The

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Speaker 3: But obviously finances will dictate some of it as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's the free agency situation. How about

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Speaker 1: the draft now, you mentioned the Titans. Based on the

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Speaker 1: pressure to pick a quarterback this year necessarily, and they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would say for the Titans, they

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Speaker 3: need to get better players, not a better player, not

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Speaker 3: I talked to Mike Bergonzia, the new GM and he

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Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna take the best player. I

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Speaker 1: How about the Browns.

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Speaker 3: the Browns get a good quarterback play. They're making the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to backtrack just a second to go back

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Speaker 2: to free agency, but different positions. DJ Reid the Jets

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Speaker 2: premier corner. All Right, we don't know what the deal

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Speaker 2: is with tags, but it doesn't look like anybody right

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Speaker 2: That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 3: We will see on that. There's some others that are possible,

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Speaker 3: you think, so, okay, but not DJ Reid.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Trade Smith obviously, another big time, big time

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Speaker 2: These are positions where the Giants.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if he ends up getting tagged.

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Speaker 2: Okay, uh So I'm looking at this and I'm saying

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there are some free agents who are gonna

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Speaker 2: cost some money, but the Giants have some decent cap

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Speaker 2: room available from Moscotta. But you're hearing, do you expect

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean this free agency is not going to be

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Speaker 1: Last year, Drence Armstrong, right, nobody.

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Speaker 3: Cared right, right, like those those Bobby Wagner's great has

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Speaker 1: What do you think this period's gonna look like because

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it, it's not a star studed free agency class.

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Speaker 1: And I think people will tell you that the draft,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could see us having more trades

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Speaker 3: Sometimes that leads to more trades, which of course will

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Speaker 3: make my head explode, but that's what it is. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think with as much cap space as

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Speaker 2: I need to ask you a general question about the division.

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Speaker 2: We know where the Giants are, we work with them.

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Speaker 2: Was is way over the cap? They got a lot

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Speaker 2: of issues, right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Washington has a lot of free agents.

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Speaker 2: They got to figure out what.

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Speaker 1: To do with a lot of money though, too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And Philly, well boy, a lot of people seem

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Speaker 2: to think they're in pretty good shape right now. So

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Speaker 2: how do you kind of capitalize the division?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would say, first of all, you know,

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Speaker 2: Cowboys can Jerry loves to push money down the road.

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Speaker 1: Well he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been pretty he's been very physically conservative recently.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the most important thing I heard

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Speaker 3: And that's certainly what the Eagles did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lombardi Trophy is a pretty good character granted

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Speaker 1: Yes, ain't good stuff, my friend, Thank you stuff rapport

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