WEBVTT - 97: The Night Boat 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.960 Welcome to Night Call, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.600 It's one nineteen am on the Love Boat in Rio 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:38.239 de Janeiro and you're listening tonight Call. Hello everybody, and 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.080 welcome to Night Call podcast for your strange days and 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.479 lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert and with me as always 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.320 our Tess lynch Aunt Emily Orshita, and joining us today 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.920 is our special guest, Heather have Rulesqui. Heather is the 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.720 author of the Ask Polly advice column in New York 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.960 Magazine and the Ask Molly newsletter. She's also the author 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.479 of three books, um and a longtime Internet writer, cool 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:12.240 person all around, a long time legend legendary blogger. Welcome Heather, Hi, 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.120 I'm so happy to be here. How they're going to 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.080 talk to us today about the Love Boat for Spooky 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:23.320 Romance February, Because what's spookier than love at sea? Trapped 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.959 on a boat, what is spookier than anything at sea? 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.319 There's no escape. But first we're going to take a 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.959 night call, actually a night email. Hey, night Call. I 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.399 have had a couple night call relevant experiences recently. I 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.600 am writing to share sleep. Podcasts are certainly one expansion 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.320 of the podcast medium. But I was visiting my parents 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.840 last week when my mom informed me of the existence 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.880 of dog podcasts, which you put on for your dog 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.840 when you're gone. I'm not sure if there's more than one, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.279 but the one She the Dog uses features random British 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.800 actors telling your dog it's a good dog and various 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.560 as as well as dropping random quotes from historical figures 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.200 that they follow up. I don't think they were talking 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.200 about dogs, but I think it still applies. I told 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.799 a dog owning friend this and she was like, oh, yeah, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.320 there's also dog TV now. So this is the decade 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.440 of dog media apparently. Hopefully the dogs will be inspired 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.320 to create media of their own and ultimately save us all. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:28.000 Best Charlie Heller, Thank you, Charlie. Thanks Charlie, what a 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.040 great night email. Did either of you guys listen to 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.200 the dog's favorite sounds or something? It's not a dog, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:41.640 but it's favorite with a you. Um. It's funny because 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.840 they Charlie linked, which we will link to an article 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.080 in the Streets Times. It's like very British. It's like 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.359 a a Singapore news site, so it was like very 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.240 British oriented. But I just thought that was funny. It 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.720 is like Game of Thrones actors just saying like you're 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.800 such a good boy, Like when you look at me 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.880 like that, I'm just so happy. I just want the 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.840 very best for you. I guess you just leave it 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.359 on in your living room when you have to leave 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.400 a dog alone. Because it's three hundred and some minutes. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.480 I did not listen to all minutes. Do you think 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.480 people are listening to this that are not dogs? Um? 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.360 I can see I used for it. I mean it 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.760 has an smr Q. Yeah, it's like very I I 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.919 listened to I forget the name of the actress who 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.840 was reading it, but it was very sup like it 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.359 was in a very like low like I'm just I'm 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.320 just speaking to you, like the the voice that you 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.040 would use if you had the dog, like right in 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:45.600 front of Dog Tamber. Yeah, Dogtamber, you're smells delicious. Have 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:51.320 you been in your greeniece? Right? Is it like a 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.080 fellow dog talking to you or is it a person? 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.520 I think it's just supposed to be like the best 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.320 person you could leave your dog with is a British 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.080 person who speaks to them calmingly, apprently. Yeah, I mean 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.800 the dog media stuff and a dog TV that's not 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.640 new like I remember there used to be I definitely 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.600 remember cat Cat TV remember and cat vhs is. It 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.880 was a lot of aquariums. Dog TV is the greatest 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.880 channel in the world. I don't know where it comes from, 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.200 but my parents got it as like a preview for 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.560 a few a week or two world, and my mom 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.279 got obsessed with it, and then I also got obsessed 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.320 with it because it was like programmed with shows. But 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.320 the shows were like a center pete on the wall 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.800 with lights on it, and then another show would be 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.200 like birds in the park. So dogs and Stoner's have 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.760 a It was really good slow TV. It was, you know, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.200 and some of them were like from the point of 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.200 view of a dog, just like a shot of like 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.039 a dog running around the beach um. But the idea 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:55.560 was you're supposed to leave it on for your dog 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.880 when you left the house. That is what I would 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.320 think a dog podcast would be like the It would 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.960 be like more of a field recording. Yeah. No, I 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.360 think it's not meant to be disorienting in that way. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.560 It's not supposed to take you to another place as 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.920 a dog like you stimulating and you don't want the dog. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:14.720 It's to play kate the dog. What if the dog 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.200 is like a strange British man is in the house 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.040 trying to me away from my true owners. I mean, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.360 it's probably good they have like both male and female 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.760 voices on it, just so that you know you can 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.160 if your dog responds better to two women, and you 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.279 know you can hear a nice lady talking or whatever, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.479 which is definitely a thing. Do you have pets that 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.640 respond to media? My mom just sent me a picture 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:45.159 that her cat, Satsky, has just discovered video, like has 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.160 started responding to it for the first time. She had 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.640 a YouTube video that's playing on our laptop on the bed, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.640 and like she showed me a picture of like the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.120 cat just like pulling at the screen, which was like, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.200 and she's kind of she's she's not young, Like she's 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.400 like nine years old or something like that, and like 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.640 this just feels like a late breaking thing for her 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.720 to be tuned into. She saw the monolith. Yeah, it's 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.960 like suddenly, just like the fourth wall broke down. How 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.360 they're deer dogs watch TV? They do I feel like dogs. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.359 I mean when I was younger, dogs they didn't My 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.080 dogs did not see things on TV. But then my 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.200 last set of dogs who are dead now God rest 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.159 their souls a um, but they but I have two 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:35.000 replacement dogs, God bless them. One of them is definitely 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:39.920 a dopple, like a recruited rescue doppelganger of the other dog, um, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.440 and the the other one was named Potas and she 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.760 was really really aloof like president Yeah nice um. But 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.120 but the new one is named fig and she's really needy, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.520 so it's sort of like um, but they look that. Yeah, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.880 I'm like the dog pervert that gets the dog that. 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.040 I mean, people do that, they get the same breed, right, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.160 But with rescue dogs actually have to like scour the internet, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.560 whereas my dog that looks like my other dog. Um. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.880 But but my both of my dogs now, one of 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.600 them is kind of a Jack Russell choua and the 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.600 other ones, I don't know something, but they look at 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.280 animals when an animal appears on the TV. Yeah. I 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.040 think there's something about like the movement of wildlife that 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.880 translates like even though it's out of context. And yeah, 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.560 one of my cats definitely will pose at the screen 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.840 when an animal appears. Actually a bird um which one draxxel. Yeah, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.640 but also yesterday I was watching a cat documentary and 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.960 one of the cats at least definitely like perked up 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.920 and started watching it. Was it for the cats? It 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.600 was not, it was for me. Well, people just want 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.800 to see themselves. I only got halfway representations. It was 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.400 a cat documentary. I think it was called hashtag Me Out, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.440 but it was just it was on Netflix. I think 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.880 it was about the history of cat memes. So it 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.040 started with like end cat and like it kind of 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.000 was actually interesting. I did stop watching it halfway through, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.600 but the first half was like there was this pre 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:12.880 gentrified Internet where cats got famous organically, like little bub 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.520 then they were like and then there was a shift 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.760 at a certain point where people were like I'm getting 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.840 a cat to try and make it famous on the Internet. Um, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.320 so that was fascinating. But there was like a person 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.880 who's like the cat meme archivist at the Museum of 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:31.720 the Moving Image. Wow, that's there, that's a title, I believe. So, yeah, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.839 that's fascinating that. I feel like they're doing the good 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.360 work there. Yeah, they were like, this is the one 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.079 thing that remains like a constant on the Internet is 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.200 the animal memes. It's like the one thing everyone can 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.800 agree is like a good thing on the Internet. There 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.400 aren't enough animal memes on Twitter lately. I feel like 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.240 it's all just gloom and dim and there's I want more. Um. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.720 You see that owl that can run? No, I posted 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:59.360 it today. I liked the robocat. He was a victim 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:04.120 of frostbite, Siberians robotic legs. Yeah, that was That was 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.360 a good animal meme. I have now eliminated all of 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.960 the suggested topics from Twitter, so it's only weather in cats. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.800 Just very disorienting that I have to say. And also 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.600 the cream doesn't necessarily rise to the top with the 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.080 cats that become popular on Twitter. I have to say, like, 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.439 not to shame these cats, but not the best cats 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.200 I've seen. And I'm not even that picky, but some 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.920 of those cats are really low tire. It's true that, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.640 like I've seen that there has been a downturn in 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.640 the quality of cat Like I feel like the most 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.400 cat that you see now is the one that's sitting 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.880 at the table opposite Taylor arm Strong in that name 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:47.040 of like the white cat, the white cat cat. There 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.400 are some famous ones, but this documentary was also like 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.439 no cat will ever be as famous again as a 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.400 Little Bub, like universally famous like the two on the 0:09:55.440 --> 0:10:00.600 dog side, but also like Marnie and Little Bub, we're 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.640 both like rescue pets with sort of like weird health conditions, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.360 which is also what made them like love of Balls. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.280 You were like, oh, you genuinely just got like like 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.319 the guy who does a Little Bub was just like no, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:18.280 I wasn't like trying to like, yeah, now that the 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.679 rescues they're like scouring the rescues for fun faces. Yeah. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.920 I did an event with Marnie once where I interviewed 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:30.600 her on a stage. I interviewed I interviewed her caretaker 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:35.480 Shirley bra Hot, who is cool, and it was like 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.920 I just was like asking her questions about Martie, like 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.760 when did you get her? And you know, what does 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:45.480 she like to eat? Questions. But it was an audience 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.839 of mostly kids. It was at the Echo Plex. It 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.800 was like Beatlemania, Like the kids were just like go 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.839 Like Marnie just walked around on the stage and the 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.400 kids were like were they all trying to take pictures? 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.719 And then she would like stick her tongue out and 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.040 they'd freak out again and then should like flop over 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.320 it was amazing. It's hilarious. The most fame I've ever 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:11.160 been around. Yeah. Um, it was a beautiful experience. You're 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:18.040 all transformed, Beautiful experiences that transform everyone who passes through them. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.400 How there you came to talk to us about a 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.880 little show called the Love Boat. Yes, I did. That's 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.320 I'm here to speak of the Love Boat. We were 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.600 going to do this anyway for Spooky Love February. But 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.120 then also Fred Silverman just passed away. Who is this 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.600 TV executive who's famous for green lighting, among other things, 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.120 the Love Boat. He is known for doing the Rural 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.959 Purge where they canceled Green Acres and the Beverly Hillbillies, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:52.480 Uh to go after a more sophisticated audience. The Cruisers. Well, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.920 he he greenlight Love Boat and Charlie's Angels, so he, like, 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.280 you know, it was responsible for this whole genre. But 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.400 he also green like all in the Family and the 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.560 Jeffersons and stuff like. He's a big figure in TV. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.719 So it's almost like there's actually a reason that we're 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.560 talking about the Love Boat. Amazing. We searched Tie and 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.240 Love for a reason, and look, yes, you know what, 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.439 there are so many times our powers are too strong. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.640 The Love Boat. Well, okay, so I was born in 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.800 nineteen seventy. Someone recently told me, you really shouldn't tell 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.959 people your age anymore. It's done. Yeah, like I said 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.080 that to you. A woman said that to me in 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.800 the public eye. She was like, no more, no more 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.520 speaking of your age, just forget your age. I was like, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.839 oh no, it's kind of fun to flip people out 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.080 a little. I don't really get it. But the Love 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.640 Boat in the seventies, okay, so it was on from 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.640 seventy seven to nine, eight seven, those were the years 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.920 that I was, uh, seven to seventeen. I did not 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.679 watch it when I was seventeen. I think you'll find 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:02.120 that reassuring. Um. But at the age of seven. Um, 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.840 I think Star Wars came out in seventy six. So 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.240 Love Boat and Star Wars, I feel like, are sort 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.120 of akin because the Love Boat was a show because 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.960 they're both on ships. They have ships, they're they're both 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:19.400 on yes, neither on land death star cruise ship similar. Um. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.080 But the Love Boat was a show where basically you 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.160 had the rotating guests. Um it was. I guess that's 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.240 called what is it called like a serial where they're 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.280 rotating people in and out right and anthology because it 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.480 always is the same ship. Captain. Yeah, like you have 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.080 the set characters kind of like Law and Order, right, Like, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.599 you have these rotating storylines and typically Okay, so the 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:47.199 quintessential story is two people come to the love boat 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.800 with It's a little bit like Fantasy Islands. Fantasy Island 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.720 was on after the love boat, but to a couple 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.920 comes and one of them is secretly dying, okay, but 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.680 she doesn't want to tell her partner. They just keep 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.480 Basically like almost every other scene is just a couple 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.359 on the deck of the love boat, clinking little champagne glasses. Um. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.240 It was sort of like an escapist luxury, you know, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:19.880 akin to Um, Dynasty, Dallas, Falcon's crest Um. It was 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.240 sort of like the middle class vision of what luxury was. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.760 I feel like I didn't watch a lot of these shows, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.920 but they still completely shaped my idea of what is 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.280 like luxury. Ye, Like, when I think of rich people, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.600 I'm still like Dynasty. That is like how you should 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:41.520 dress if you like crazy hair, um, flushed, strange, overly 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:49.600 tanned faces, shoulder pads, um, low cut shit, I'm dressed like, wait, 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.720 so who are the who are the main cast of 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.120 the love boat is like the crew of the ship. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.880 The crew of the ship. So there's Gavin McLeod who 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.320 was We wouldn't we know from such things as Tyler 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:05.800 Moore show he was Murray, Um there is I didn't 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.760 write down the other ones. There's the oh yeah Isaac, okay, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:14.040 so I know the character names. Yeah there there weren't like, yeah, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.840 Isaac was a bartender. I went to camp with his son. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:22.080 You went to camp? Yeah, And so Isaac and Gopher 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:26.040 or like the two goofy like, um, hey, let's have 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.320 a party. Hey, check out the girls kind of guys 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.200 on the Gophers like the I don't know, he's like 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.280 a lower down on the on the ship. Isaac is 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.840 the bartender and he, you know, in the opening credits 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.640 he's like, I mean, it's sort of like the opening 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.800 credits that people spoof now on you know, Bachelor in Paradise, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.600 like shaking the shape he points, Hey, Bachelor in Paradise 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.880 is totally a love boat rip off. Yeah, you're right exactly, 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.280 And people there's a similar amount of melodrama. Um, there's 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.320 the classic shot. At least four or five times per episode. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.080 There's just a shot of tits or ass like asses 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.560 walking like butt cheeks walking by in a bikini and 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:09.920 then you know Gopher our Isaac are like, whoa, there's 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:14.680 an ass right there. That's probably the first time you 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.960 could do that on television because again I did read 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.640 a lot about Fred Silverman and they were like he 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.080 pioneered jiggle vision with shows like that and Charlie's Angels, 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.760 So jiggle visions just like check out the ass. Yeah, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.520 like shows that people thought were stupid, but lots of 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.160 people watched because they had like t n A and 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.480 they were very like comforting in their regularity. Yeah, it's 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.240 like decorative TENA. Though it wasn't like plot driven. It 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.240 was just like oh, in between scenes you might see 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:47.040 a butt right and then like the end point is Baywatch, yes, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:52.520 but there's not driven ten there's a purpose to those 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.760 down the beach. Those asses have a goal. I mean, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:04.680 which what else doesn't have a even the assts of 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:11.800 dog It all comes back, um, But there wasn't any dirtiness. Yeah, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.720 people like would sort of like talk about making love. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.399 I guess you know it was making love. It seems 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.680 very soft rock. Yeah, yeah, soft porn software. I mean, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:27.480 it's like middle class romance. Like but see, you gotta 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.280 put it in the context of like the movies of 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.680 the time, like did you ever see Okay, what is 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.439 the name of that movie? The quintessential kind of like 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.320 shitty eighties movie to me is this Michelle Pfeiffer and 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.000 Mel Gibson fall in love. They I just remember this 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:48.120 scene where they make love in a hot tub, yeah, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:53.800 Tequila Sunrise, and then they burst out of and it's 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.200 like storing sacks and they burst out of the hot tub. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:03.720 Wo fucking and you're like, fucking, It's not like that one. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.639 I'm saying. There were a lot of like okay, so 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.120 can we talk about love scenes? Have you guys ever 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.959 talked about just the existence scene? Yeah? The existence etic 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:20.560 That was all yeah, all erotic thrillers. But from what era? 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:27.080 From early yeah, nineties, I would say from from about 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.840 the time probably right around there. Suddenly, okay to show 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.280 that the nine and a half weeks era, Yeah, yeah, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.520 well I feel like the I just had this epiphany 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.160 one day where I was like, what happened to sex scenes? 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.400 You know, like they used to be long but love 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.679 but was sort of like worked around that with It 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.800 was mostly really about the cheesiness of like, oh God, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:56.040 I just love you so good, You're just so It 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.359 still had to be about love in order to pass standards, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.520 but the time was like a secret between the couples 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.480 or some sort of like mortal. There was usually some 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.480 stupid twist like I'm dying and I can't There was 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.560 usually yeah, it was usually like I can't really tell. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.000 It was not the era of let's process our emotions 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.320 together on this deck with our champagne. It was more like, oh, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.439 I'm gonna go change into something more comfortable, you know, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.320 you know, like everything happened behind closed doors. Like but 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.920 you know, you imagine I'm just having the most grueling, 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.639 gruelingly dull missionary sex and their little terrible beds. People 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.840 are repressed on the love boat. Um yeah, I mean 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.680 you know, it was like they were all wearing lip gloss, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.920 Like how hot could it get? I mean it seems, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.680 you know a lot of people get sea sick. Yeah, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.320 there wasn't. I feel like, there wasn't a lot of 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.879 like realism. There was a lot of vomiting over the side. Um. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.360 The idea of having sex on a cruise ship. I've 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.440 never been on a cruise ship or if I had 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.240 sex on a cruise ship, obviously, but the idea yet 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:06.159 see night call Um. But I'm confused if that's like 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.680 an erotic thing. Those those little tin the beds very small, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:16.879 like the beds tend to be too smaller beds pushed 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.560 together kind of wire. You in the mile Long Club, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:30.520 no comments. Maybe that's why they were having a mile 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.080 high club. Is in the air. It should be like 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:45.320 like League submarine. It would be amazing. I went to 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.680 the estate sale of Geraldine Saunders, who's the woman who 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.439 wrote the book that The Love Boat was a spinoff of. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.760 You know, I got tipped about her estate sale. It 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.040 was in Glendale, and it was just a really amazing 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.199 Glendale estate sale of this woman who was like the 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.360 self made mogul who had written this book. She had 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.879 like Thennis tried to be a celebrity astrologer. She was 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:11.000 married to I think his name is Omar Star or something. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.720 She was married to another super famous astrologer, and they 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.160 sort of pioneered like being celebrity astrologers. And then she 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.959 became the first female cruise director. She had this obsession 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.560 with like I want to work on a cruise and 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.280 be in charge, and she did, so they were like 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.679 selling they Yeah, they had her cruise director jacket for sale. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.879 But she wrote this book about it called The Love Boat, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:41.000 about using astrology to like match make on the cruise. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:43.959 Um the back of the book is amazing. I think 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.600 I talked about it here once before because it's like 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.679 this vivacious, volaptuous virgo from Glendale takes you on a 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.879 romantic cruise and like, who knows what will happen on 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.399 a ship, like people might find love on the love Boat. 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.400 And then somebody bought it. The general taken an ip 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.080 in turning it into a show, and she had a 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.199 love boat lifesaver around her pool. Oh my god, the 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.199 book club. Did she have artifacts other artifacts from the 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.240 actual show. No, it was more artifacts from her astrology 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.760 career that they had and a million copies of The 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.919 Love Boat. Which I was she already like wealthy just 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.439 from being an astrologer before that or is that? Like 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.320 it seems like she was just sort of a NonStop hustler, 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.880 like she was a girl boss. She was like a model, 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.160 and then she like just kept finding ways to sort 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:38.639 of like try to get famous exactly like that. I 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.280 feel like now she would have just done an astrology cruise, 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.840 done the wellness cruise. Well she had she invented this 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.600 like alternate Uigi board that they had all these prints 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.000 of that. I bought one up and put it up 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.040 over I forget, but I'll send you a photo. It's 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.960 totally weird. It's just like it's own thing. It's very 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.919 a cult. Is it the alphabet or is it something 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.560 else there. It's like it's its own kind of like 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.200 wheel with like zodiac and then like maybe chakras and 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.120 different parts of the parts of the body and sun 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.800 signs and stuff. It's very weird. Have you try to 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.679 use it? No, I'm a little scared of it. But 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:22.840 I didn't buy it and put it in my house, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.879 so not already now you have to use or last 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.640 she was also her whole life story was super interesting. 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.080 She was married to a guy who was like mysteriously 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.359 murdered who I think he wrote the wild bunch um. 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:37.879 She was married to a bunch of interesting dudes. And 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.600 then she also at her house had a million headshots 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:46.240 of hot guys current day because she was like working 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.720 on some projects and she had some other romance novels 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.080 she'd written. So it was like all these romance novel 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.879 looking guys, like contact sheets of them, like running on 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.600 the Beach. Did she so she was a super horny gal. Yeah, 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.000 she defined the horny nous of the seventies. Yeah, she 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.119 was a groundbreaking human totally. And this, like her house 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.960