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Speaker 2: Cowboys. This he is Talking Cowboys screening live from the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys World Course at the Star in Frisco Streets.
Speaker 3: Dot Tsidown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Wilker,
Speaker 3: Nick Harris and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: For one final time this off season, it is time
Speaker 2: for some Talking Cowboys here on a Tuesday morning from
Speaker 2: the Star in Frisco in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody,
Speaker 2: as OTA's are now in the rearview mirror. It is
Speaker 2: mandatory this week, no more optional. What do mandatory mean? Mandatory?
Speaker 2: Mini camp?
Speaker 3: Mandalorian For those that don't caiss, they were reference. That's
Speaker 3: so Darren Hambrick reference.
Speaker 2: I didn't catch it, but I liked it. Oh, Darren Hembrick. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, So long story, extremely short for those that know,
Speaker 3: they know, all right. So this was during the par
Speaker 3: sales era and Darren Hambrick, a former linebacker for the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: was not in voluntary many camp and the media asked
Speaker 3: him about it, and his response was, what do voluntary mean?
Speaker 2: So any yeah, so anytime? Mandatory voluntary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anytime this time of the year rolls around,
Speaker 3: if you happen to be on social media and you see,
Speaker 3: I guess one of us old heads dropped that reference.
Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about when we say what do
Speaker 3: voluntary mean? Shouts out to the brick.
Speaker 4: Learn something today?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cowboys history to start off the final episode
Speaker 3: before training camp.
Speaker 2: I learned that boy could drop pat bringing that history knowledge.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 2: How's everybody doing. We've got Isaiah standback, Nick Harris, Patrick, No,
Speaker 2: C Walker. I'm Kyle Jomans. I'm feeling great, right, feeling good? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I am sure. He sure tells me he feels great. Well.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on making it to the finals again. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that you're feeling pretty good. After the game
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 6: You know Patrick, yesterday, I think it was midday, he
Speaker 6: was like, Hey, have I congratulated you on the game
Speaker 6: to win yet? And I was like, you have it,
Speaker 6: but Savior congratulatories for four wins?
Speaker 4: Oh no, we'll take them all.
Speaker 2: Get I'm excited for you. I'm not excited.
Speaker 7: You know why I'm not excited because the Seattle Mariners
Speaker 7: got smacked like Rick James that isact by who.
Speaker 2: By the freaking Rangers, by the Texas Rangers. Everybody's getting
Speaker 2: by the range. Don't for that. They don't play t
Speaker 2: ball against What was that? Oh it was, don't don't
Speaker 2: feel like it was personal? Definitely personal. Personal. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: person's person. I'm a fan of the Mariners too, so
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for your bad sportsmanship. I worked, I worked
Speaker 2: for their affiliates. You don't run the score up in
Speaker 2: professional sports.
Speaker 6: Kyle, and they put up hooping numbers on you, respectfully.
Speaker 2: If you don't like it, stop him from doing it exactly.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about running up the score? What
Speaker 2: about TCU against Arkansas? You see that one twenty to
Speaker 2: five baseball in Arkansas and then twelve to four yesterday,
Speaker 2: and then twelve to four yesterday, knock them out of
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Home, knock about of the urnam go home.
Speaker 4: Get out of here.
Speaker 2: But believe it or not, we've talked a little bit
Speaker 2: of hockey on this show. By the way, I've got
Speaker 2: some rally towels for you from Seattle, Thank you, sir. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we talked to basketball, we talked a little bit of baseball,
Speaker 2: a little sprinkle of each. But this is a football show,
Speaker 2: and since this is the last time that we are
Speaker 2: going to be on the air until training camp, I
Speaker 2: think it's time to dive in to what we've seen
Speaker 2: in OTAs and some news and notes. Patrick, Yes, sir
Speaker 2: as we get into the summer break portion of the
Speaker 2: off season, Yes, sir So.
Speaker 3: Mandatory Mini Camp begins today at the Star on Frisco.
Speaker 3: Every single player is expected to be in participation, along
Speaker 3: with Tony Poalitis Will. Obviously, he's operating on the franchise tag.
Speaker 3: He signed his franchise tag not long after it was
Speaker 3: applied to him. No controversy is expected. Their contract talks,
Speaker 3: which we'll get to in a minute, they're ongoing. We'll
Speaker 3: see if the Cowboys and Tony Pollack can beat the
Speaker 3: July seventeenth. I believe it's the deadline this year to
Speaker 3: get him.
Speaker 2: On a long term deal.
Speaker 3: Quick as Mandatory Mini Camp starts up, Cowboys do a
Speaker 3: little bit of housekeeping. They release wide receiver Antonio Callaway.
Speaker 3: Callaway had a running with the law in Florida over
Speaker 3: the weekend. Can't confirm that that was the reason they
Speaker 3: let him go, but timing is timing, and clearly the
Speaker 3: timing kind of indicates that was the reason. So Callaway
Speaker 3: is out of the building. They brought him in last November,
Speaker 3: this past November, resigned him to a futures deal in
Speaker 3: January because they liked what you know, he might bring
Speaker 3: to training camp this year, but he didn't make it
Speaker 3: a training camp. They had a workout for seven players yesterday,
Speaker 3: ended up signing Tyron Johnson. Now the jury is out
Speaker 3: on if it's Tyron or Tyron, but ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: we have.
Speaker 2: Another tie in the building. So now we have.
Speaker 3: Tyler, Tyler, Tyron, Tyron or Tyrone whichever the pronunciation for
Speaker 3: this one is little background on Johnson, undrafted free agent
Speaker 3: of the Houston Texans in twenty nineteen out of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: So he's been a Cowboy before, just a different version
Speaker 3: of it. Final season with ok State he racked up
Speaker 3: eight hundred and forty five receiving yards and seven touchdowns.
Speaker 3: So he's got some potential, but a little bit of
Speaker 3: a young journeyman. He's a jurneyman, but he's still young.
Speaker 3: A lot of trader on the tires sub four or
Speaker 3: five speed in the forty So Cowboys are clearly between
Speaker 3: players like this and Cooks. They're clearly looking to speed
Speaker 3: up that offense as far as being able to take
Speaker 3: the top off. So Tyron Johnson or Tyron Robertson, I'm
Speaker 3: sorry Johnson. Yeah, Johnson, he's in the building. But they
Speaker 3: also worked out some quarterbacks. Jacob Eason was one, Bryce
Speaker 3: Jerkins was one. Bryce Perkins was one. Two cornerbacks Jordan
Speaker 3: Miller fresh off of the XFL Championship with the Arley
Speaker 3: Tenverne Gags, the carrus Keys, cornerback Lynn. These two wide
Speaker 3: receivers that I'm about to name, very intriguing, Lynn Bowden,
Speaker 3: Nikhil Harry. Now I've seen some people saying, well, you know,
Speaker 3: if they signed you know, Johnson, then they're not going
Speaker 3: to sign to Kill. They're not going to sign any
Speaker 3: of the other guys. Had a couple of conversations and
Speaker 3: it was told to me just because one sign doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that they might not circle back later on and
Speaker 3: grab another out of this group. Now, could that be
Speaker 3: nik Kill Harry, Jacob Eason will see. But obviously the
Speaker 3: Cowboys are not out on these guys. This is the
Speaker 3: due diligence season right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Nick Hill Harry, former first round pick, I think
Speaker 6: that says a lot about Tyron Johnson coming in the
Speaker 6: building and being able to, you know, overcome what what
Speaker 6: was lined up.
Speaker 4: Next to him.
Speaker 6: But Tyron Johnson a quick shout out to South New Orleans.
Speaker 6: He's a Warren Eastern Eagle. I got a text from
Speaker 6: a Warren Easton coach yesterday. They're like, hey, if you
Speaker 6: see Tyron calling T Bill, that's that's his nickname.
Speaker 4: T Bill's in the house.
Speaker 2: So it is Tyron Tyron and it is T Bill.
Speaker 2: So okay, now we've got that squared away, got Tyron
Speaker 2: and T Bill. There's no other T Bill in the
Speaker 2: building as as far as I know, And I don't
Speaker 2: want to limit his expectations. Of course, every guy that
Speaker 2: makes a roster out here is doing something right, and
Speaker 2: whoever makes it into camp is doing something right. But
Speaker 2: this looks like a depth piece for camp. It doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily change anything in terms of a wide receiver competition.
Speaker 2: This is another body to kind of rotate through in
Speaker 2: camp and give him a shot, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: And he does have I mean, he's got twenty three receptions,
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty two yards, three touchdowns, all most
Speaker 2: of that coming with Los Angeles back in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: when they really needed wide.
Speaker 3: Well, look at what they quite literally did was swap
Speaker 3: out speed for speed. Yours speed with Callowayn. You were
Speaker 3: hoping that that was the speed you'd see kind of
Speaker 3: reveal itself in the Cowboys uniform and training camp. They'd
Speaker 3: opted to not deal with his off the field issue,
Speaker 3: and then they bring in you know, t Bill, here's
Speaker 3: more speed, so four to three five speed, so it's
Speaker 3: literally a speed for speed swapped there.
Speaker 2: I want t Y. You want them back? Are five pow?
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I don't know in a OTA's I
Speaker 2: won't spect him being a mini camp. He's an event.
Speaker 7: He'll probably show up halfway through camp if anything, if that,
Speaker 7: if that, but that's who I want. That's the time
Speaker 7: in September at Y another ty, no disrespecting like.
Speaker 2: Any other ones, but that's the one I'm looking for. Well,
Speaker 2: and I think you're not alone in that fact. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of Cowboys fans would love to see
Speaker 2: t Y Hilton, myself included. I would love for that
Speaker 2: to happen because it's another veteran presence in that locker
Speaker 2: room for a room that needs it. And I was talking.
Speaker 2: I talked with Israel Mkwamu at the end of OTA's
Speaker 2: the other day, and is he was talking about it
Speaker 2: just feels different. It does. He's like, this is year
Speaker 2: three for me. I've been in some good locker rooms.
Speaker 2: We've had good chemistry, but this one feels like it's
Speaker 2: already clicking and it's OTAs. He's like, I've never felt
Speaker 2: like that. And usually you feel like you're drinking from
Speaker 2: a fire hose. You're getting all this information, you're just
Speaker 2: trying to digest it. And is He was saying that
Speaker 2: because Stefan Gilmour is here, because Brandon Cooks is here,
Speaker 2: because they've made the additions to this roster that they've
Speaker 2: had throughout this offseas and they have a different feel
Speaker 2: in the locker room. So bringing in to t Y
Speaker 2: Helpton would only elevate that, it would only help that out.
Speaker 2: Then you saw what that was able to do last
Speaker 2: year whenever he did come into the building.
Speaker 3: And he's not simply a guy that you would bring
Speaker 3: on and say, Okay, well, we're mostly bringing him on
Speaker 3: because he's a mentor in the locker room. No, he
Speaker 3: gets it done on the field as well. So it's
Speaker 3: a win win there, mister third down, Yeah, third and eighteen.
Speaker 2: T whoy. So that that's beautiful news.
Speaker 3: As far as the Cowboys getting mandatory mini camp started
Speaker 3: speed for speed swap, now not so great news, but
Speaker 3: not not exactly earth shadowing when it comes to the
Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 3: We've spoken with Jordan, and I've spoken with Jordan personally
Speaker 3: over the course of this offseason, and his main thing
Speaker 3: was he's he's tracking well, slightly ahead of schedule. He's
Speaker 3: doing his best to beat out landing on the pup list,
Speaker 3: the physically unable to perform lists to start training camp.
Speaker 3: But as Nick had a conversation with Stephen Jones yesterday,
Speaker 3: the expectation is that when Lewis will infect start out
Speaker 3: on the pup list. Now that's the expectation right now,
Speaker 3: still seven plus weeks before training camp starts.
Speaker 6: So yeah, absolutely, As Steven Jones, he said, it's looking
Speaker 6: more and more and then he stopped himself, maybe not
Speaker 6: more and more, pretty definitive that he'll start camp on
Speaker 6: the pup list. And that was in response to a
Speaker 6: question other than offensive line and kicker, what were some
Speaker 6: position groups that they're looking to add depth at maybe
Speaker 6: before camp or bring in some guys for camp, and
Speaker 6: he said Corner, and then that kind of led into
Speaker 6: the Jordan Lewis conversation. So having more depth at Corner,
Speaker 6: I think that's that's going to be an interesting layer
Speaker 6: to training camp and just kind of how those guys compete,
Speaker 6: just because there isn't an opportunity for those guys. You
Speaker 6: know at the CB four position. You know, you got
Speaker 6: the boundaries locked down to Ron Bland. You know he's
Speaker 6: going to lock down the nickel as far as going
Speaker 6: into camp, and then you know after that, I think
Speaker 6: it's going to be a healthy competition and I'm excited
Speaker 6: to see who they bring in and to throw in
Speaker 6: that room.
Speaker 2: And that's a good, good point, Nick, because last year,
Speaker 2: I mean toward the back half of the year, they
Speaker 2: were it was a rotating door. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: a revolving door at at Corner because of all the
Speaker 2: injuries up top. Yeah, and you don't have Anthony brown back,
Speaker 2: you at the moment don't have Jordan Lewis, and it
Speaker 2: looks like you might not have him because he's on pup.
Speaker 2: But do you see a young Corner stepping into that
Speaker 2: that mentality. I know Eric Scott Junior, the rookie out
Speaker 2: of Southern miss he had some some reps with the
Speaker 2: Ones during OTAs. Do you think they could fill that
Speaker 2: void while Jordan Lewis is still coming back from his
Speaker 2: injury and then going to try and fill in that
Speaker 2: void as well.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I like that you mentioned Eric Scott.
Speaker 6: He had a pick last week in OTAs and he's
Speaker 6: been He's been all over the place as far as speed,
Speaker 6: He's showing off that speed, that four seven to two
Speaker 6: speed that.
Speaker 4: You loved to reference exactly.
Speaker 6: But no, I like where Eric Scott is from a
Speaker 6: progression standpoint, especially coming in as a rookie, a six
Speaker 6: round pick, and you know, from not from a power
Speaker 6: conference and still being able to you know, level himself
Speaker 6: with the guys that are already in the building. But
Speaker 6: you know, I think there are already some really intriguing
Speaker 6: names in that group. I think it's only going to
Speaker 6: help competition level.
Speaker 2: Isaiah. You you were at OTA's last week. You have
Speaker 2: to watch a little bit of practice as well. What
Speaker 2: did you see? Because it is it's so early and
Speaker 2: even I mean wide receivers aren't elevating. They aren't jumping
Speaker 2: for football, so you don't have corners really using their
Speaker 2: arms at all. They're just supposed to be in the
Speaker 2: right spot. But anything that stood out to you last week, no,
Speaker 2: not really. I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 7: But OTAs you you're not gaining a lot of insight
Speaker 7: in terms of the outlook of potential players aside from
Speaker 7: their ability to grasp the concepts. So outside of that,
Speaker 7: as a former player, I don't take a whole lot
Speaker 7: away from OTAs because again, you're not getting physical. There's
Speaker 7: not a lot of competition and in regards to challenging
Speaker 7: for the ball or challenging for you know, leverage or
Speaker 7: any of those things on the offensive defensive line fronts.
Speaker 7: So I mean in terms of guys being able to
Speaker 7: go out there and digest the information and be able
Speaker 7: to actually go out there and apply it to some
Speaker 7: of the things you got to have talking about in
Speaker 7: reference to like Scott, those are all positives, but in
Speaker 7: terms of like real ball and all that, like, you're
Speaker 7: not gonna see that until we get the training camp.
Speaker 7: So I'm excited about that aspect in terms of fulfilling
Speaker 7: that role. Jay Lou wish him all the all the
Speaker 7: best and prayers up for him coming back. Obviously, I've
Speaker 7: had that injury that list, Frank, I don't know to
Speaker 7: what level his is minds was about as bad as
Speaker 7: you can get. And I know what he has to
Speaker 7: overcome as sucks. So he's gonna need some time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really quickly, Jay Lou. He's running. He's just
Speaker 2: not running routes right now as far as defensive routes.
Speaker 2: So he's getting there.
Speaker 3: I tell you who better grasp this opportunity with both
Speaker 3: hands and completely leaning into Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 2: It's got to be Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 3: And I'm on the record as saying that I think
Speaker 3: while Deuce Fawn is going to be the steal of
Speaker 3: the draft, I feel like Eric Scott can be the
Speaker 3: sleeper pick in this particular draft. So Eric Scott, I
Speaker 3: think he's going to come in and he's going to
Speaker 3: make some waves as early as training camp and then
Speaker 3: through the preseason and we'll see. But if we're sitting
Speaker 3: here talking about Eric Scott, if you're Kelvin Joseph, you
Speaker 3: got to hear this like you do. You hear what
Speaker 3: we're saying, which talking about the rookie sixth rounder coming
Speaker 3: in and making some waves in the absence of Jordan
Speaker 3: Lewis until Jordan is healthy enough to join practice.
Speaker 2: So Kelvin Joseph, the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Didn't like what they saw as a boundary corner in
Speaker 3: the absence of Anthony Brown when they put Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 3: as the starter. Didn't go well in Jacksonville, needless to say,
Speaker 3: didn't go well in Green Bay, needless to say, and
Speaker 3: then you ultimately end up with Naean Righting, then Izzy
Speaker 3: mccuamboo in the postseason, but OTAs and now in mini
Speaker 3: camp you're going to see Kelvin Joseph taking some reps
Speaker 3: at Nickel, And the question is, can't since he has
Speaker 3: not impressed the Cowboys coaching staff as a boundary corner,
Speaker 3: what can you do at Nickel?
Speaker 2: Because if you can't, if you also it's a turn.
Speaker 3: If it turns out you can't impress at Nickel, that
Speaker 3: makes you purely a special teamer as a former second
Speaker 3: round pick and a special teamer who draws a lot
Speaker 3: of flags and a lot of penalties. So I think
Speaker 3: as far as opportunities go, this this has to be
Speaker 3: the one that Kelvin Joseph grabs with both hands and say, hey,
Speaker 3: this is mine.
Speaker 2: Because if it's not, what do we talk talking about here?
Speaker 2: If this training camp does not go well for Kelvin Joseph,
Speaker 2: is he on the roster going at a week one?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think so I'd be pressed to say yes.
Speaker 3: So I just have to say he's going into meeting
Speaker 3: camp with the reaper in the backseat. He is no
Speaker 3: doubt about it. I mean, this is due because keeping
Speaker 3: him means you'd have to let someone else go. So
Speaker 3: the question is who would you let go that would
Speaker 3: be fifty three man worthy? And if he's not impressing
Speaker 3: that nickel and didn't impress that boundary, and he's drawing
Speaker 3: penalties on special teams, where's the where's the win?
Speaker 6: Regardless of position group, There's an argument to be made
Speaker 6: that he has the most to prove on the team.
Speaker 6: He has the most important training camp coming in when
Speaker 6: it comes to hey, this is this is the shot,
Speaker 6: this is what you got and you got to go
Speaker 6: in and take advantage of it. Yeah, if we're looking
Speaker 6: at it with those with that in mind, he's number
Speaker 6: one on that list.
Speaker 2: Who would be close to that I don't even know
Speaker 2: if there's really a close second place, maybe Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 2: I mean, Gallamore's probably in a similar but not.
Speaker 3: Because Galamore also doesn't have the off the field issue
Speaker 3: that a companies to on the field struggle. Right, you're right,
Speaker 3: so you don't have those kind of red flags that
Speaker 3: you have from Kelvin Joseph. So I mean there's to
Speaker 3: nixt point, there are a lot of things working against
Speaker 3: Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 2: And it feels like this is it, like this has
Speaker 2: to be it. Look look at the last two years,
Speaker 2: Look at the last two draft classes. You've had a
Speaker 2: fifth round rookie come in and take your spot, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Deron Blant took Kelvin Joseph's spot and has held on
Speaker 2: to it, and credit to de Ron b Land. But
Speaker 2: then you turn around, you let you say, oh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna spend a sixth round pick on Eric Scott Junior.
Speaker 2: If it happens again, there's no reason that Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 2: needs it. Didn't just spend the sixth round pick, traded up,
Speaker 2: traded it, get the guy, no doubt message, no doubt message.
Speaker 2: I think you guys response and just thinking about Kevin Joseph.
Speaker 7: I mean the reality they've they've given him much more
Speaker 7: leash than he is really do ample opportunities, so he is.
Speaker 7: They have extended an ample amount of grace towards Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 7: And if he does not take advantage of the opportunities
Speaker 7: that are presented to him, he knows what's on the line.
Speaker 2: He knows. Like again, that's why I said, we used
Speaker 2: to call.
Speaker 7: Bruce May's back in the day he used to be
Speaker 7: we used to call him the grin Reaper because he's
Speaker 7: going through that. He's the one day he used to
Speaker 7: make the cuts in the locker room back in the day.
Speaker 7: And whenever we saw Bruce, you want to go away
Speaker 7: opposite direction because old the reapers here. He Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 7: is going at the training camp with the Reaper in
Speaker 7: the back seat, and if he makes too many mistakes,
Speaker 7: he won't make it through camp. It's like that that
Speaker 7: meme of AJ style smiling yes under like behind him.
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Speaker 2: get into some of this contract talk as we take
Speaker 2: some of these phone calls here over the next couple
Speaker 2: of minutes. Jerry Jones talked to the media yesterday and
Speaker 2: he talked about how the Cowboys front office is constantly
Speaker 2: working on contract situations and those of nailing down negotiations
Speaker 2: on headline players like Ceedee lamp Trayvon Diggs, Tony Pollard,
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons, and even Dak Prescott. So, Patrick, when you're
Speaker 2: looking at these contracts in the certain situations at hand,
Speaker 2: which is most likely to get done in this little
Speaker 2: down period that we have ahead of us, that the
Speaker 2: Cowboys can maybe get one of these extensions done and
Speaker 2: possibly lock some of these guys up for the future.
Speaker 2: It's a tough one. If not for the.
Speaker 3: Long term deal deadline mid July for Tony Pollard, I
Speaker 3: probably lean probably leaned towards Ceedee Lamb, and just because
Speaker 3: I feel like I know that well, the Cowboys want
Speaker 3: all these guys sign and they want them all on
Speaker 3: long term deals, long term extensions. But I feel like
Speaker 3: Lamb's deal will probably be the easiest to negotiate from
Speaker 3: the wide receiver market standpoint. Michael's going to end up
Speaker 3: in a blank check situation, but what the structure of
Speaker 3: that contract is going to be a little bit more complex.
Speaker 2: Digs.
Speaker 3: They may or may not want to see another year
Speaker 3: of digs, digs with another premo cornerback, just you know,
Speaker 3: being Stefan Gilmore to see what happens there.
Speaker 2: But you already know what you're.
Speaker 3: Getting with Ceedee Lamb. Like Ceedee Lamb's prove it season
Speaker 3: just passed. It was twenty twenty two. They shipped out
Speaker 3: of Mark Cooper and they looked at Cede Lamb and said,
Speaker 3: show us your wide receiver one. And by job, he
Speaker 3: showed you he's wide receiver one. So going into twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, what more does Ceedee Lamb have to prove nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know his value yeah nothing. And you know the
Speaker 3: wide receiver what looks what it looks like a top
Speaker 3: of wide receiver market dollars wise.
Speaker 2: So I think that that would be my lean.
Speaker 3: But because there is the deadline for Tony Pollard, and
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones himself said that he's not exactly pressed to
Speaker 3: have any deal done before training cap starts. I know
Speaker 3: Stephen Nick Harris was at Stephen Jones yesterday and Steven
Speaker 3: said he loved to have one, two, three of these
Speaker 3: guys signed before training camp, and Jerry feels the same way.
Speaker 3: But Jerry's just not pressed about it now. Is that
Speaker 3: a negotiating tactic? Of course it is right, absolutely always
Speaker 3: that being said, to Jerry's point, there's only one hard
Speaker 3: deadline in the bunch, and it's Tony Pollard. So if
Speaker 3: you really want Tony Pollard, and it seems like you do,
Speaker 3: then I think that's the one that would be most
Speaker 3: pressing the other ones. You could go into the season
Speaker 3: and you know, let it play out and see how
Speaker 3: it goes.
Speaker 6: Would you not want to see the year from Tony Pollard?
Speaker 6: Though on the tag coming off the injury being arb
Speaker 6: I would I would. I think overall everybody would. That's
Speaker 6: just how I think. My hunch tells me that he
Speaker 6: goes into the season on attack. They're comfortable and Trayvon
Speaker 6: Diggs would be my answer to this question because entering
Speaker 6: he's entering the final.
Speaker 4: Year of his rookie.
Speaker 2: Nice hands checking across.
Speaker 6: The just the fellas you know Trayvon Diggs, he's going
Speaker 6: into the last year of his rookie deal. You don't
Speaker 6: want that to become a distraction during the season because
Speaker 6: let's say he's having a phenomenal year, then week eight
Speaker 6: we're talking about contract the rest is going to or
Speaker 6: he's going to get exactaggurate, he's going to I think
Speaker 6: it would be the smartest decision to go out.
Speaker 2: That's why the execute a agreeance with you, sir.
Speaker 7: I don't This is no disrespect. I believe that Tony
Speaker 7: Pollard is an approval year.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense because is going out and
Speaker 2: coming off an injury. There are multiple reasons.
Speaker 7: Yea, there's multiple reasons. But I just feel like they
Speaker 7: don't have to do anything. Obviously.
Speaker 2: I think he will go into the year on attack.
Speaker 7: That's not disrespect, that's just them saying the running back
Speaker 7: position and how this is kind of trending.
Speaker 2: We kind of need to see what you can do
Speaker 2: by yourself. That's also history.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if their gunshot to throw an.
Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely yeah, because of the previous guy. So so
Speaker 7: that's one issue.
Speaker 2: Okay, I this is a very it's gonna be very debatable.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. I believe say with your chest, I
Speaker 2: believe that Trayvon Dix is more important to this team
Speaker 2: than Ceede Lamb. Okay why.
Speaker 7: I just think that what he presents in terms of
Speaker 7: his ability to stop the most dangerous weapon on or
Speaker 7: at least some subdue the most dangerous weapon on opposing offenses,
Speaker 7: is more important than the ability of scheming CD Lamb
Speaker 7: up to be able to get the ball.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me get this straight. You're not saying
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb or you're not saying Trayvon Dicks is a
Speaker 2: better player than CD, he's more important. You're saying his
Speaker 2: his skill set is more imperative to the structure of
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I can see that argument, which is which is why
Speaker 7: I mean I'm in wholehearted agreement with you in terms
Speaker 7: of if there was somebody who had to be extended
Speaker 7: prior to camp.
Speaker 2: It needs to be trading.
Speaker 3: Well, are we asking who we would go with or
Speaker 3: who we think the team would go with first? Because
Speaker 3: my answer was who I think the team would feel
Speaker 3: more pressed to go with because of the dead Who
Speaker 3: I would go with is the guy that I mocked
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys during that respective of twenty twenty season
Speaker 3: Day one digs Hot Day one that said, I think
Speaker 3: value wise, Trevon Diggs and Ceedee Lamb are the same player,
Speaker 3: just on different sides of the ball. Value Wise, I
Speaker 3: think Cede Lamb is as important to the Cowboys offense
Speaker 3: as Treyvon Diggs is to the Cowboys defense. And yes,
Speaker 3: you could there are arguments that say wide receivers grow
Speaker 3: on trees. You could argue that, just like you could
Speaker 3: argue running backs grown trees. You could argue that shut
Speaker 3: down corners don't grow on trees that much. We can
Speaker 3: all agree on. But the question when it comes to
Speaker 3: making trying to make that argument that wide receivers grow
Speaker 3: on trees, I could lean toward that being true, But
Speaker 3: what I cannot subscribe to is do potential Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame receivers grow on trees when you start having that
Speaker 3: type of conversation, because that's the kind of air that
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb justifiably Ceedee Lamb has that kind of trajectory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's early, but he is correct.
Speaker 3: So when you when you put it in that perspective,
Speaker 3: I think they both have equal a one value on
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball, which makes it a more
Speaker 3: more interesting conversation because at least with Lamb you do
Speaker 3: get the fifth year option. But that's why I said,
Speaker 3: if you don't get the deal done on Diggs one
Speaker 3: hundred percent, you're going to tag.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the value of Trayvon Diggs and just
Speaker 2: how far apart people can be because I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here and I agree with you. I think shutdown
Speaker 2: corners in this league are a crucial piece of a
Speaker 2: really good football Teamsolutely Now, Trayvon Diggs has he He's
Speaker 2: shown over the last two years that he can do
Speaker 2: multiple things. He's shown that he can be that ball hawk.
Speaker 2: He had eleven interceptions. That doesn't just happen. He is
Speaker 2: a good corner. That happens because he's a good corner,
Speaker 2: not because he got lucky twelve times or whatever, like
Speaker 2: ten times out of the eleven he had eleven interceptions.
Speaker 2: It's on the stat sheet. It will never leave the
Speaker 2: stat sheet. The problem with me is what happens outside
Speaker 2: of that. And this year he showed another way of
Speaker 2: elevating his game in becoming a shutdown corner and continuing
Speaker 2: to get better in coverage. Is he there yet to
Speaker 2: me to say that is our corner for for the
Speaker 2: next decade. I don't know. I don't know if I'm there, Yes,
Speaker 2: yes for me to throw a bag. Yes, he's a
Speaker 2: good player. Yes, for he is a really good player.
Speaker 2: But it's the value, though, Where does the value come in?
Speaker 2: Because you always talk about the piece of the pie.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the value would show itself in a post Digs
Speaker 3: era much like it showed itself in a pre dig.
Speaker 2: See and I don't want to post Digs era. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying get rid of. I'm not saying you're saying.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, as far as sometimes you find out the
Speaker 3: value of a guy when he's no longer around for
Speaker 3: you to enjoy his service. No doubt, the Cowboys have
Speaker 3: suffered for years Predigs trying to figure out who the
Speaker 3: shutdown corner was.
Speaker 2: They had some solid guys here there, but.
Speaker 7: Did they have a dig The reality is both of
Speaker 7: these guys are amazing players, that both of these guys
Speaker 7: are important. Both of these guys want to be I
Speaker 7: would imagine they want to be Cowboys, and the cowboys
Speaker 7: want to keep them forever. Okay, let's get that on
Speaker 7: the table before Twitter goes absolutely insane. Also, the reality is,
Speaker 7: if I don't have a cd A caliber of a
Speaker 7: player of that caliber, I can scheme guys up to
Speaker 7: be open.
Speaker 2: I can scheme, I can outscheme the defense. Right. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that you're gonna get the same production. Don't don't.
Speaker 2: Don't know where you're about to go.
Speaker 7: Okay, but as a really good OFFICSI coordinator, I can
Speaker 7: scheme moving the ball down the field. Defensively, I can't
Speaker 7: scheme you being able to shut down your best player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just you can't hide about.
Speaker 7: I can't scheme that you either have the ability to
Speaker 7: subdue one of those guys or you don't. It doesn't
Speaker 7: matter what coverage I call. I can call man all
Speaker 7: day long. Some guys are gonna getrouted. Some guys are
Speaker 7: gonna be in the hip pocket and have a chance.
Speaker 7: I have to pick off guys all day long. I
Speaker 7: can't scheme that because I can just go on on
Speaker 7: the other side of the field. Right, So, I think
Speaker 7: in terms of value in general, a dominant cornerback has
Speaker 7: more weight in this league, in regardless of the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: has more weight in this league than a dominant receiver.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, you're correct. In a vacuum, you're correct.
Speaker 3: But when you're saying dominant corner versus potential Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame receiver, because hit you right, you can scheme the
Speaker 3: guys to matriculate the ball down the field. From a
Speaker 3: wide receiver point, if you don't have a potential Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame talent, you can't teams do it all the time.
Speaker 3: Not every team has a potential Hall of Fame wide receiver.
Speaker 3: That said, what you can't account for when you lose
Speaker 3: that particular player, if you lose that particular player, is
Speaker 3: how opposing defenses react or don't react to that player
Speaker 3: being or not being on the field. If Lamb is
Speaker 3: not on the field, you're not going to see shape
Speaker 3: safeties shaping coverage that way. You're not going to see
Speaker 3: teams try now they deally won't be able to do
Speaker 3: that this year with the brand. However, you've seen what
Speaker 3: happens when you don't have a Cooks, which is why
Speaker 3: you go and get a Cooks. Right when Michael Gallup
Speaker 3: is still trying to work his way back from injury,
Speaker 3: opposing defenses they just key in on CD Lamb and
Speaker 3: they say, yeah, we dare the other guys to beat us,
Speaker 3: And then the other guys are struggling to beat you.
Speaker 3: Take CD Lamb out of the equation. Now in that
Speaker 3: situation when you don't have a cook because you're not
Speaker 3: always going to have that Cooks, right, those opposing defenses
Speaker 3: get to play straight up and say, hey, we dare
Speaker 3: any of you guys to beat us past eight y'all agreed.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm coming from an argument of it's much
Speaker 2: harder to find.
Speaker 3: Generally speaking, we're not disagree. Generally speaking, you're one hundred
Speaker 3: percent correct. My extra credit is going to see the
Speaker 3: Lamb simply because I don't feel like he's simply an
Speaker 3: elite wide receiver. I feel like he can have a
Speaker 3: gold jacket on one day. And that's not to say
Speaker 3: Dix can't. But with the points that you're making with
Speaker 3: the Diggs. As much as I love him to death,
Speaker 3: you would like to see him be better in tackling,
Speaker 3: a better run supporter when time comes. So, because there's
Speaker 3: still those developmental points on digs that he needs to
Speaker 3: prove in twenty twenty three versus Ceedee Lamb, he's already
Speaker 3: shown you he doesn't need to prove anything. He just
Speaker 3: needs to continue his consistency and trajectory. That's where I
Speaker 3: say they are both of equal value on both sides
Speaker 3: of the ball. But generally speaking, positionally, you're not wrong.
Speaker 4: I think there's an argument to be made for both sides.
Speaker 2: You look at Seed, we love both sides about that.
Speaker 4: We do look both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: So this is a great problem to have.
Speaker 6: They're if you look at CD and just what he's
Speaker 6: able to do simply by his presence in an office
Speaker 6: in an offense, he gets more brackets than March Madness,
Speaker 6: and that opens up the rest of the entire offense,
Speaker 6: and especially with Brandon Cooks and their speed option. Yet
Speaker 6: you feel me another option, another option on the other
Speaker 6: side of the field that can make this happen. Then
Speaker 6: you know that opens up the entire Ell eleven guys
Speaker 6: on the field. Look on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 6: you got Trayvon Dicks. He's pushing six three, just under
Speaker 6: two hundred pounds. You said it's tough to find good
Speaker 6: corners in this league. It's even tougher to find big,
Speaker 6: good corners in this league that can move like Trayvon Dicks.
Speaker 6: That's why I Diggs just because his profile, who he
Speaker 6: is and what he can bring to a defense is
Speaker 6: a little bit more unique than what CD can bring.
Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean CD is not unique at all,
Speaker 6: you know. I think eventually he will be in that
Speaker 6: echelon with Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's there yet.
Speaker 6: I think he's just in that second tier, but I
Speaker 6: think he can push that first tier, especially with Brandon
Speaker 6: Cook's coming in this year, being able to open up
Speaker 6: some things for him and get him some even more
Speaker 6: opportunities than he had last year.
Speaker 4: I think this year is where we kind of see that.
Speaker 3: If you look at his yards per touch CD versus Justin.
Speaker 3: Obviously Justin is number one in the league right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I put CD in tier two
Speaker 3: with Justin in tier one. Is maybe I put CD
Speaker 3: as Tier one B because if you're go and look
Speaker 3: at the numbers, and you will look at the film,
Speaker 3: he's not as far behind.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3: You're saying that, but for those that think Ceede Lamb is,
Speaker 3: you know, far behind Justin Jefferson, you'd be wrong.
Speaker 6: But if you think about it, Justin Jefferson had the
Speaker 6: same problem that Cede Lamb had last year, which was
Speaker 6: a receiving core that didn't have a ton of help
Speaker 6: around him. He kJ Ollisborne a couple of weeks that
Speaker 6: helped him quite a bit. Feeling you know he's around
Speaker 6: and then you know they're tied in. Situation was kind
Speaker 6: of jumbled throughout the year. I think Hawkinson came in
Speaker 6: late and really helped open up the game for Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 6: I think he had a couple of two hundred yard
Speaker 6: games after that, but he kind of had the same
Speaker 6: problem as Lamb, and he was more productive than Lamb.
Speaker 4: That's why I just put him.
Speaker 2: Fair, I think. And also I think you have to
Speaker 2: do it two years in a row for me to
Speaker 2: really put you in a Tier one conversation. You can't
Speaker 2: just flash in the pan and then go away. I
Speaker 2: mean it happens all the time where a receiver has
Speaker 2: a breakout year and then they disappear. Ceedee Lamb has
Speaker 2: done it for a year now. He's his first years
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. One. He showed that ability. Now if
Speaker 2: he can do it with a little bit of extra help,
Speaker 2: which sounds great, then yeah, I think he's.
Speaker 3: In that conversation for you here, Son, them both deal
Speaker 3: absolutely if we're looking at it perfect there, that's what happens.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this and I'll go to Isaiah
Speaker 2: first on this. If you're in New York, you're the
Speaker 2: New York Giants, and you're sitting here and you're getting
Speaker 2: ready for Week one and you're getting ready for prime
Speaker 2: time against Dallas Cowboys, who are you more afraid of,
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb or Trayvon Dix? Who, in your being fear
Speaker 2: into you more out of those two guys. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say Trayvon.
Speaker 7: Really, I'm gonna say Trayvon because I mean, you take
Speaker 7: away the passing who you're throwing the ball to, they're
Speaker 7: going to run it.
Speaker 2: Who you're gonna throw the ball to, but they're gonna.
Speaker 7: Run it, understood, But that's not Trayvon's problem, right, So
Speaker 7: who you're gonna it isn't until it is understand But
Speaker 7: with their office of coordinators are throwing office a coordinator,
Speaker 7: So who are gonna throw the ball to?
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. You present a major problem
Speaker 2: now offensively.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can bracket them. I can break a CD.
Speaker 7: I can bracken him with But I can have a cornerback.
Speaker 7: I can have a linebacker, you know, bump him on
Speaker 7: his way out. I have a backside safety, take away
Speaker 7: his crossing rest like I can scheme those things up.
Speaker 2: Now. Is it gonna give somebody else opportunities? Obsosolutely? But
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 7: If I really want to shut down CD, I can
Speaker 7: shut down CD. It's just I might have to give
Speaker 7: up some other stuff in the process. You can't shut
Speaker 7: down Trayvon. You can't shut him down. Now, you could
Speaker 7: take advantage of his previous unwillingness to come up and
Speaker 7: tackle if you want to run the ball towards him.
Speaker 7: With Saquan that's something totally different. But in terms of
Speaker 7: passing the you have to know that when Danny Dimes
Speaker 7: walks up there, he might be Danny Nickel when he
Speaker 7: looks over there and tries to throw the ball at
Speaker 7: Chirhi because you're like, dang, I can't do nothing about it.
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter what route we have called, He's gonna
Speaker 7: be in the hip pocket.
Speaker 3: But now it's is it not a similar situation between
Speaker 3: the two, which goes back to my point about the
Speaker 3: value being equal because Gilmore is in the building now
Speaker 3: all right, and you've seen what Deron blank can do
Speaker 3: as a breakout nickel corner, and he's taking some boundary
Speaker 3: reps at OTA's But defensively, if you're the Giants, you're saying, well,
Speaker 3: you know, we can take away the pass. But the
Speaker 3: Giants are saying, well, we got Sakuon Barkley. And now
Speaker 3: if we talking about Tryvon Diggs and as cow so
Speaker 3: eloquently put it, he has the ability to make the tackles.
Speaker 3: We've seen him come up and make key tackles in
Speaker 3: the run and potentially save some games. But you've also
Speaker 3: seen some unwillingness there. Now Sakwon Barkley is bareing at you.
Speaker 3: Business decision might come okay, all right, flip to the
Speaker 3: other side of the ball. The Giants secondary you're saying, okay,
Speaker 3: we bracket CD you're going you're going to get smoked.
Speaker 2: Okay, Cooks.
Speaker 3: If Gallops is back to form the tight ends schoolmaker
Speaker 3: Ferguson hender shot, you're going to get smoke. You're gonna
Speaker 3: give up something else, which means you can't bracket CD,
Speaker 3: which means CD's gonna have his way. So it kind
Speaker 3: of goes both ways because I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: But then keep in mind, if you're not targeting Diggs,
Speaker 3: then you're targeting Gilly. If you're not targeting Gilly, then
Speaker 3: you're talking in bland, So you could what you're saying is,
Speaker 3: well you can bracket dig Well.
Speaker 7: No, no, listen, the Cowboys have an amazing problem on
Speaker 7: their hands. Yeah, amazing. Opponents have a bigger problem on
Speaker 7: their hands. But the Cowboys have they have they have
Speaker 7: fixed some of their gaps, some of their holes. And
Speaker 7: that's absolutely awesome because now you have taken away the
Speaker 7: ability for teams to just simply say, oh, I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna go to the other side, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 7: to this I'm gonna bracket this guy. Well, they've taken
Speaker 7: that ability away, which is what a great front office does. However,
Speaker 7: I still believe that the most dangerous player of the
Speaker 7: two of those two is.
Speaker 3: I think fact there is Mazzie Smith and Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 3: If you if you stop Sae Kwon Barkley, you stop
Speaker 3: to run, then the answer becomes you're the New York Giants.
Speaker 3: You're probably more afraid of Trayvon Dicks if you can't.
Speaker 3: If the Cowboys can't stop the run in Sakuon Barkley,
Speaker 3: then they're not so much worried about Diggs because he
Speaker 3: the secondary gets kind of negated by the runoffense.
Speaker 2: I think we're getting too far away from this now,
Speaker 2: because you can say the same thing about anything. If oh,
Speaker 2: Ceede Lamb's gonna have more success. If Tony Pollack can
Speaker 2: run the ball, we can do that all day. We
Speaker 2: can go all the way up and down. Point of
Speaker 2: the matter is, both of these guys are excellent players.
Speaker 2: They're both deserving correct of an extension. Yes them both.
Speaker 2: I think more likely you're going to see Cee Lamb
Speaker 2: get done before Trayvon Dicks because the value is more apparent.
Speaker 2: There is still some doubt with Trayvon Dicks, even though
Speaker 2: he does present a problem for teams. I just I
Speaker 2: think there's there I don't know the disconnect value. Label
Speaker 2: it as doubt as much as it is.
Speaker 3: We know what you can do, show us your improvement
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Speaker 7: year to year with guys, and I think that's how
Speaker 7: the Cowboys are treating it. It isn't There's very few
Speaker 7: kickers that are just very dependable every single year, true
Speaker 7: and true and through that. They're in a situation now
Speaker 7: where they're just like, all right, let's bring in some
Speaker 7: guys that have some good history. Let's take them to
Speaker 7: camp and see who wants it, you know, competing every day,
Speaker 7: and that's who will go with the hot hand and
Speaker 7: thence game seven hundred and seventy seven straight sevens.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear some of the names that
Speaker 2: are out there? You want to hear some of those.
Speaker 2: Let's start with with Brett Maher. He's he's still out there,
Speaker 2: thirty three years old. Money Maher. You probably put him
Speaker 2: up there with what is that probably three three million,
Speaker 2: maybe over two years, something like that, probably as a
Speaker 2: as a contract. His last his market value according to
Speaker 2: spotrack is three years eleven million, so that's what is
Speaker 2: at three point six million a year, So that's where
Speaker 2: he's at at the moment. Then you've got guys like
Speaker 2: Mason Crosby, thirty eight years old recently with Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Ryan suck Up is out there thirty six year old
Speaker 2: out of Tampa Bay, Robbie Gould who's now hit the
Speaker 2: forty mark, but he's still Robbie Gould, Randy Bullock, Ze Gonzalez,
Speaker 2: Julian Diaz, Parker White, Elliott Frye. Any of those names
Speaker 2: peak your interest, Nick.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Mason Crosby for multiple, multiple reasons,
Speaker 6: not only the Mike McCarthy ties, but also the Lubbock
Speaker 6: Texas Ties. Another shout out to the eight oh six
Speaker 6: get him back in Texas man really quick on this
Speaker 6: conversation though, year in and year out, and this especially
Speaker 6: happens about week ten, whenever you know, some some kickers
Speaker 6: really start to hit some bad stretches. It blows my
Speaker 6: mind that there are not thirty two people on this
Speaker 6: entire planet that can't kick a football.
Speaker 4: Blows my mind.
Speaker 6: And that conversation is coming back right now, you know,
Speaker 6: because you have Tristan Discane in the building.
Speaker 4: Obviously there's not a ton of confidence.
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that the coaching staff in the front
Speaker 6: office hasn't given him that confidence. You know, whenever it
Speaker 6: gets brought up, it's like, hey, Tristan's our guy. Because
Speaker 6: he's in the building right now. You know, he's gonna
Speaker 6: have just as much of a shot, if not more
Speaker 6: than anybody that we bring in. But still the conversation
Speaker 6: is there to bring somebody in. Even Stephen Jones yesterday
Speaker 6: was like, yes, we're gonna bring a kicker in for competition.
Speaker 6: If it were me and I'm choosing who I would want,
Speaker 6: I would go one Mason Crosby to San Gonzales.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going with Mason Crosby, Okay, I obvious times
Speaker 3: with Mike McCarthy, like Mike Nick Harris pointed out. But also,
Speaker 3: I know some people are kind of concerned because he's
Speaker 3: only two years removed from struggling, right, but he bounced
Speaker 3: back last season. If you look at his numbers versus
Speaker 3: a guy like Ryan suck Up, a guy like Robbie Good.
Speaker 3: They were very comparable, like quite comparable to those other
Speaker 3: two guys who I would consider suck Up loses in
Speaker 3: that three horse race. For me, when you start to
Speaker 3: look at distance, suck Up struggles from distance fifty plus
Speaker 3: yards last year he was two for seven. I think
Speaker 3: Crosby was four out of six from fifty plus yards.
Speaker 3: So while Crosby, Crosby is tapping on that forty year
Speaker 3: old mark, he still has a leg right, so he
Speaker 3: was also accurate as much as he had a leg
Speaker 3: last year. And the Cowboys are in a situation where
Speaker 3: they're still trying to figure out a long term guy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they I agree, you had.
Speaker 3: The opportunity to draft a guy you didn't To that point, though,
Speaker 3: I think that we're still feeling the waves of Dan
Speaker 3: Bailey in that Dan Bailey having become such a legendary
Speaker 3: kicker for the Cowboys out of the undrafted free agency
Speaker 3: pool that the Cowboys feel like, if we did it once,
Speaker 3: we can do it again. But I subscribe to the
Speaker 3: fact that yes, you did it once, you did it,
Speaker 3: you can do it again. But when you've not successfully
Speaker 3: repeated that after X amount of seasons, at a certain
Speaker 3: point you got to say, Okay, well you know we
Speaker 3: gotta we gotta try something different.
Speaker 2: But they didn't, so they're still looking for a competition here.
Speaker 2: It's Guyano.
Speaker 3: He acquitted himself well thus far in OTAs, but a
Speaker 3: my comfortable with him being the only kicker going into camp.
Speaker 3: The answer is absolutely no. Jerry Jones said the team
Speaker 3: is likely to add a kicker before training camp. We'll
Speaker 3: see if they do. But for my money, Mason Crosby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, usy. During OTA's the other day when we were
Speaker 2: charting kicks, he missed two throughout his entire day, he
Speaker 2: missed two of them. One was from forty four wide
Speaker 2: left and then the other one was from fifty five,
Speaker 2: which was his longest attempt of the day. He missed
Speaker 2: it to the right. So he missed only two kicks
Speaker 2: and they were both from forty plus. Now you look
Speaker 2: at a guy like Mason Crosby who's been consistent throughout
Speaker 2: a career. Last year put up some decent numbers. He
Speaker 2: missed a couple of kicks, but he did so early
Speaker 2: in the season. He made fifteen of his last sixteen
Speaker 2: field goal attempts and sixteen of his last eighteen extra
Speaker 2: point attempts. So put up some pretty good numbers in
Speaker 2: terms of the kicking situation and putting guys out there.
Speaker 2: Do you want to entertain the option of maybe another rookie.
Speaker 2: You saw it last year with Jonathan Garabay. You're bringing
Speaker 2: in a guy who's inexperienced as opposed to a guy
Speaker 2: who has experience. Would you like to maybe take a
Speaker 2: flyer on a guy and that's the guy you bring
Speaker 2: the training camp. I would bring in.
Speaker 7: I would have three kickers going into training camp. Personally,
Speaker 7: I would have a young guy.
Speaker 2: You got spots. They only have eighty eight. I mean
Speaker 2: they got two spots available.
Speaker 7: I would keep busy on there just because he's there
Speaker 7: and right now, I'll bring a young guy in and
Speaker 7: I will bring in one of those bets and let
Speaker 7: him battle it out. I'm all about competition, y'all know that.
Speaker 7: So if you want it, go get it. This is
Speaker 7: his opportunity that's on the table. Who's gonna bring it home.
Speaker 3: I'd be fine with three kickers, because you ended up
Speaker 3: with three because the two didn't work out for you.
Speaker 3: Haadre La who and Garrett. They didn't work out, so
Speaker 3: you went and got Maher. You carried all three of
Speaker 3: them in, you know, August, until you figured out you
Speaker 3: wanted to go with Maher. So you got the mid
Speaker 3: level veteran right now and Busy. You can bring in
Speaker 3: a rookie that's still out there it went undrafted, but
Speaker 3: then your ultimate insurance policy would be a Crosby or
Speaker 3: Gould or something like that.
Speaker 2: I'd be found with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I like the rookie conversation just because it worked out
Speaker 6: for a couple of teams last year. I think the
Speaker 6: Chargers probably had the most success in bringing in Cameron
Speaker 6: Dicker around week ten, week eleven, and I think he
Speaker 6: only missed one field goal, went like eighteen of nineteen
Speaker 6: down the stretch. So I think there's definitely some some
Speaker 6: very intriguing young options. You also got guys in the USFL.
Speaker 6: So just Nick Rose that's still out there, I think,
Speaker 6: also a former Texas guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Highland Park Grad.
Speaker 6: Okay, there we go a little Dallas ties there, and
Speaker 6: they've mentioned that, you know, they'd love to look at
Speaker 6: the USFL market. It'd be pretty funny if they brought
Speaker 6: in another special teams guy from the USFL.
Speaker 2: But what about last year?
Speaker 6: Yeah, worked out for turpet just a Pro Bowl, you know,
Speaker 6: nothing crazy. But I think bringing a young guy, bringing
Speaker 6: an old guy.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that approach. All right, Before
Speaker 2: we wrap things up on our final off season edition
Speaker 2: of Talking Cowboys, next time we're on the airs, training camp, guys,
Speaker 2: it is what I By the way, just for the
Speaker 2: fans out there, I hate this time of year. This
Speaker 2: time of year is the worst. I hate sitting around
Speaker 2: and waiting until training camp. Then training camp makes it
Speaker 2: outstanding and we have a lot of fun out there
Speaker 2: and it's great. Stay out of trouble. Yeah, like, I
Speaker 2: hate this time of year. But give me a bold prediction, Isaiah.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to have any parameters, but it has
Speaker 2: to be about the Dallas Cowboys. What is your bold
Speaker 2: prediction for something that's going to happen this offseason? Bold
Speaker 2: this off season, this off season before we're on the
Speaker 2: air in training camp. Dang it, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: have to come back around to me. He said.
Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be Cowboys related, it does have
Speaker 6: to be well, wait, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 2: That's not Cowboys?
Speaker 6: DeAndre Hopkins is gonna be in the ninc East that
Speaker 6: I almost know if yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Not with the Cowboys. It's not gonna be yeah, do
Speaker 2: you have a Cowboys. It's gonna be with a team.
Speaker 3: I gotta go ahead, and it perfectly segues off what
Speaker 3: we just talked about. Mason Crosby is in a Cowboys
Speaker 3: uniform before the flight takes off.
Speaker 2: Of ox Okay, I would love that. By the way,
Speaker 2: I think it'd be great to see Crosby in here,
Speaker 2: reunited with Mike McCarthy and company. He does love his guys.
Speaker 2: He does. He's done it a couple of times. He's
Speaker 2: very loyal.
Speaker 7: I don't have a big splash. Aside from what we
Speaker 7: talked about earlier, probably one of those guys gonna get extended.
Speaker 7: Somebody's gonna get extended.
Speaker 3: Okay, before put a name out, say with your chest,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be CD Okay, Okay, both predictions.
Speaker 2: That is a bold prediction. How many years I tried
Speaker 2: to put four with an option. They don't like fours
Speaker 2: five long. That's a long term commitment right there. That
Speaker 2: is a long salary. They don't like fours. Thankful.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think here.
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is necessarily as so much
Speaker 6: of a prediction rather than you know what I feel
Speaker 6: like will happen before the season starts. I think Overshown
Speaker 6: is going to be running with the ones.
Speaker 2: Do you see?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Speaking of Overshown, you see what happened at our rookie
Speaker 2: premiere last week? Oh yeah, guys got pipes? Dude? You
Speaker 2: kidding me? That was awesome. He was singing country music.
Speaker 2: If you haven't checked it out already, go to my
Speaker 2: Twitter and find it. Kyle underscore yeomans find it on
Speaker 2: there because it was a video. It was a wholesome moment.
Speaker 2: It was an organic moment.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I like that though. Absolutely. He's a dan Quinn guy.
Speaker 2: That's what I said when he got drafted. He fits
Speaker 2: the dan Quinn mold, and I think if he can
Speaker 2: continue to elevate, I think you're right. I think he
Speaker 2: could maybe sneak his way into it.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think bold prediction. I'm gonna say the same thing.
Speaker 2: Put another linebacker. I'm gonna say to mont Clark, start
Speaker 2: really showing up mini camp, and once they put the
Speaker 2: pads on in training camp, he's going to be our
Speaker 2: training camp star. How about I love it. I think
Speaker 2: that that's the bold prediction. I love it that that
Speaker 2: demon Clark's gonna be all right, guys. I'll see you
Speaker 2: boys at camp. Yes, sir, we'll see each other before then. Right,
Speaker 2: it's gonna make me sad. If not all right? Uh
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Speaker 2: throughout the off season. It doesn't mean Patrick's not working,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean Nick's not working. Isaiah might not be working.
Speaker 2: He's running a business. He's got a couple of things.
Speaker 2: I'm always working, always working. I'll have some stuff. I'll
Speaker 2: have some stuff online too. That's one way to end
Speaker 2: this show too.
Speaker 4: So it me and you were in the same boat.
Speaker 2: See you guys in the gym polo season. Baby for
Speaker 2: Isaiah standback, Nick Harris, Patrick, Noci Walker and Chris Beam.
Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you at
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