WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Lamb vs. Diggs -- Whose First? 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.360 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:06.199 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:15.600 Cowboys. This he is Talking Cowboys screening live from the 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:20.439 Dallas Cowboys World Course at the Star in Frisco Streets. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:30.280 Dot Tsidown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Wilker, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.120 Nick Harris and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.640 For one final time this off season, it is time 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.960 for some Talking Cowboys here on a Tuesday morning from 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.840 the Star in Frisco in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.680 as OTA's are now in the rearview mirror. It is 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.680 mandatory this week, no more optional. What do mandatory mean? Mandatory? 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:57.920 Mini camp? 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.480 Mandalorian For those that don't caiss, they were reference. That's 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:01.600 so Darren Hambrick reference. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.319 I didn't catch it, but I liked it. Oh, Darren Hembrick. Yeah. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.800 Okay, So long story, extremely short for those that know, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.759 they know, all right. So this was during the par 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.440 sales era and Darren Hambrick, a former linebacker for the Cowboys, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.760 was not in voluntary many camp and the media asked 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.080 him about it, and his response was, what do voluntary mean? 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:28.120 So any yeah, so anytime? Mandatory voluntary. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.000 Yeah, so anytime this time of the year rolls around, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.960 if you happen to be on social media and you see, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.080 I guess one of us old heads dropped that reference. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:36.680 That's what we're talking about when we say what do 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.119 voluntary mean? Shouts out to the brick. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:40.480 Learn something today? 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.520 Yeah, the Cowboys history to start off the final episode 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:46.759 before training camp. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.480 I learned that boy could drop pat bringing that history knowledge. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:50.960 There we go. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.920 How's everybody doing. We've got Isaiah standback, Nick Harris, Patrick, No, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.480 C Walker. I'm Kyle Jomans. I'm feeling great, right, feeling good? Yeah? 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.560 I am sure. He sure tells me he feels great. Well. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.200 Congratulations on making it to the finals again. Thank you. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.880 I appreciate that you're feeling pretty good. After the game 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:10.400 to win. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.679 You know Patrick, yesterday, I think it was midday, he 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.639 was like, Hey, have I congratulated you on the game 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.280 to win yet? And I was like, you have it, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.080 but Savior congratulatories for four wins? 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.359 Oh no, we'll take them all. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.560 Get I'm excited for you. I'm not excited. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.960 You know why I'm not excited because the Seattle Mariners 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.000 got smacked like Rick James that isact by who. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.280 By the freaking Rangers, by the Texas Rangers. Everybody's getting 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.840 by the range. Don't for that. They don't play t 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.639 ball against What was that? Oh it was, don't don't 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:43.120 feel like it was personal? Definitely personal. Personal. Yeah, that 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.640 person's person. I'm a fan of the Mariners too, so 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.240 I'm sorry for your bad sportsmanship. I worked, I worked 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.120 for their affiliates. You don't run the score up in 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.239 professional sports. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:59.280 Kyle, and they put up hooping numbers on you, respectfully. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.040 If you don't like it, stop him from doing it exactly. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.240 You want to talk about running up the score? What 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.320 about TCU against Arkansas? You see that one twenty to 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.880 five baseball in Arkansas and then twelve to four yesterday, 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.079 and then twelve to four yesterday, knock them out of 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.480 the playoffs. Home, knock about of the urnam go home. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:18.480 Get out of here. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.920 But believe it or not, we've talked a little bit 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.560 of hockey on this show. By the way, I've got 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.920 some rally towels for you from Seattle, Thank you, sir. Yeah, 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.480 we talked to basketball, we talked a little bit of baseball, 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.880 a little sprinkle of each. But this is a football show, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.480 and since this is the last time that we are 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.280 going to be on the air until training camp, I 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.080 think it's time to dive in to what we've seen 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.880 in OTAs and some news and notes. Patrick, Yes, sir 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.800 as we get into the summer break portion of the 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.200 off season, Yes, sir So. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.200 Mandatory Mini Camp begins today at the Star on Frisco. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.760 Every single player is expected to be in participation, along 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.880 with Tony Poalitis Will. Obviously, he's operating on the franchise tag. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.440 He signed his franchise tag not long after it was 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.360 applied to him. No controversy is expected. Their contract talks, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.119 which we'll get to in a minute, they're ongoing. We'll 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.200 see if the Cowboys and Tony Pollack can beat the 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.920 July seventeenth. I believe it's the deadline this year to 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:13.440 get him. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:14.200 On a long term deal. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.680 Quick as Mandatory Mini Camp starts up, Cowboys do a 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.600 little bit of housekeeping. They release wide receiver Antonio Callaway. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.800 Callaway had a running with the law in Florida over 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.159 the weekend. Can't confirm that that was the reason they 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.320 let him go, but timing is timing, and clearly the 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.839 timing kind of indicates that was the reason. So Callaway 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.080 is out of the building. They brought him in last November, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.680 this past November, resigned him to a futures deal in 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.560 January because they liked what you know, he might bring 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.240 to training camp this year, but he didn't make it 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.520 a training camp. They had a workout for seven players yesterday, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.280 ended up signing Tyron Johnson. Now the jury is out 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.240 on if it's Tyron or Tyron, but ladies and gentlemen, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:57.520 we have. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.800 Another tie in the building. So now we have. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.680 Tyler, Tyler, Tyron, Tyron or Tyrone whichever the pronunciation for 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.880 this one is little background on Johnson, undrafted free agent 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.039 of the Houston Texans in twenty nineteen out of Oklahoma State. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.880 So he's been a Cowboy before, just a different version 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.479 of it. Final season with ok State he racked up 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.240 eight hundred and forty five receiving yards and seven touchdowns. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.400 So he's got some potential, but a little bit of 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.719 a young journeyman. He's a jurneyman, but he's still young. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.120 A lot of trader on the tires sub four or 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:34.279 five speed in the forty So Cowboys are clearly between 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.120 players like this and Cooks. They're clearly looking to speed 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.000 up that offense as far as being able to take 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.680 the top off. So Tyron Johnson or Tyron Robertson, I'm 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.520 sorry Johnson. Yeah, Johnson, he's in the building. But they 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.239 also worked out some quarterbacks. Jacob Eason was one, Bryce 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.479 Jerkins was one. Bryce Perkins was one. Two cornerbacks Jordan 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.800 Miller fresh off of the XFL Championship with the Arley 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:01.599 Tenverne Gags, the carrus Keys, cornerback Lynn. These two wide 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.880 receivers that I'm about to name, very intriguing, Lynn Bowden, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.920 Nikhil Harry. Now I've seen some people saying, well, you know, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.080 if they signed you know, Johnson, then they're not going 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.480 to sign to Kill. They're not going to sign any 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.000 of the other guys. Had a couple of conversations and 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.719 it was told to me just because one sign doesn't 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.840 mean that they might not circle back later on and 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.400 grab another out of this group. Now, could that be 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.760 nik Kill Harry, Jacob Eason will see. But obviously the 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.520 Cowboys are not out on these guys. This is the 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:29.760 due diligence season right now. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.600 Yeah, Nick Hill Harry, former first round pick, I think 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.400 that says a lot about Tyron Johnson coming in the 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.280 building and being able to, you know, overcome what what 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:38.280 was lined up. 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:38.680 Next to him. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.280 But Tyron Johnson a quick shout out to South New Orleans. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.560 He's a Warren Eastern Eagle. I got a text from 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.680 a Warren Easton coach yesterday. They're like, hey, if you 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.920 see Tyron calling T Bill, that's that's his nickname. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:49.560 T Bill's in the house. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.280 So it is Tyron Tyron and it is T Bill. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.719 So okay, now we've got that squared away, got Tyron 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.520 and T Bill. There's no other T Bill in the 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.240 building as as far as I know, And I don't 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.880 want to limit his expectations. Of course, every guy that 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.720 makes a roster out here is doing something right, and 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.160 whoever makes it into camp is doing something right. But 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.520 this looks like a depth piece for camp. It doesn't 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.320 necessarily change anything in terms of a wide receiver competition. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.680 This is another body to kind of rotate through in 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.240 camp and give him a shot, no doubt about it. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.840 And he does have I mean, he's got twenty three receptions, 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.800 four hundred and twenty two yards, three touchdowns, all most 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.440 of that coming with Los Angeles back in twenty twenty 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:32.640 when they really needed wide. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.520 Well, look at what they quite literally did was swap 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.040 out speed for speed. Yours speed with Callowayn. You were 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.920 hoping that that was the speed you'd see kind of 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.520 reveal itself in the Cowboys uniform and training camp. They'd 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.800 opted to not deal with his off the field issue, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.760 and then they bring in you know, t Bill, here's 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.120 more speed, so four to three five speed, so it's 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.920 literally a speed for speed swapped there. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.320 I want t Y. You want them back? Are five pow? 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.280 I'm with you. I don't know in a OTA's I 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.040 won't spect him being a mini camp. He's an event. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.040 He'll probably show up halfway through camp if anything, if that, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.880 if that, but that's who I want. That's the time 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.600 in September at Y another ty, no disrespecting like. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.680 Any other ones, but that's the one I'm looking for. Well, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.840 and I think you're not alone in that fact. I 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.520 think a lot of Cowboys fans would love to see 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.040 t Y Hilton, myself included. I would love for that 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.080 to happen because it's another veteran presence in that locker 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.239 room for a room that needs it. And I was talking. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.680 I talked with Israel Mkwamu at the end of OTA's 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.839 the other day, and is he was talking about it 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.600 just feels different. It does. He's like, this is year 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.920 three for me. I've been in some good locker rooms. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.839 We've had good chemistry, but this one feels like it's 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.319 already clicking and it's OTAs. He's like, I've never felt 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.760 like that. And usually you feel like you're drinking from 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.839 a fire hose. You're getting all this information, you're just 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.120 trying to digest it. And is He was saying that 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.240 because Stefan Gilmour is here, because Brandon Cooks is here, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.280 because they've made the additions to this roster that they've 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.439 had throughout this offseas and they have a different feel 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.000 in the locker room. So bringing in to t Y 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.600 Helpton would only elevate that, it would only help that out. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.400 Then you saw what that was able to do last 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.200 year whenever he did come into the building. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.199 And he's not simply a guy that you would bring 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.360 on and say, Okay, well, we're mostly bringing him on 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.360 because he's a mentor in the locker room. No, he 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.319 gets it done on the field as well. So it's 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.000 a win win there, mister third down, Yeah, third and eighteen. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.240 T whoy. So that that's beautiful news. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.960 As far as the Cowboys getting mandatory mini camp started 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.240 speed for speed swap, now not so great news, but 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.400 not not exactly earth shadowing when it comes to the 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:38.360 defensive side of the ball. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:39.120 Jordan Lewis. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.040 We've spoken with Jordan, and I've spoken with Jordan personally 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.160 over the course of this offseason, and his main thing 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.200 was he's he's tracking well, slightly ahead of schedule. He's 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.040 doing his best to beat out landing on the pup list, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.640 the physically unable to perform lists to start training camp. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.720 But as Nick had a conversation with Stephen Jones yesterday, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.199 the expectation is that when Lewis will infect start out 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.040 on the pup list. Now that's the expectation right now, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.840 still seven plus weeks before training camp starts. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.160 So yeah, absolutely, As Steven Jones, he said, it's looking 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.959 more and more and then he stopped himself, maybe not 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.679 more and more, pretty definitive that he'll start camp on 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.319 the pup list. And that was in response to a 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.040 question other than offensive line and kicker, what were some 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.400 position groups that they're looking to add depth at maybe 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.480 before camp or bring in some guys for camp, and 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.120 he said Corner, and then that kind of led into 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.120 the Jordan Lewis conversation. So having more depth at Corner, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.200 I think that's that's going to be an interesting layer 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.720 to training camp and just kind of how those guys compete, 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.640 just because there isn't an opportunity for those guys. You 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.000 know at the CB four position. You know, you got 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.880 the boundaries locked down to Ron Bland. You know he's 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.000 going to lock down the nickel as far as going 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.200 into camp, and then you know after that, I think 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.000 it's going to be a healthy competition and I'm excited 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.559 to see who they bring in and to throw in 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:50.920 that room. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 And that's a good, good point, Nick, because last year, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.920 I mean toward the back half of the year, they 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.839 were it was a rotating door. I mean, it was 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.040 a revolving door at at Corner because of all the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.200 injuries up top. Yeah, and you don't have Anthony brown back, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.360 you at the moment don't have Jordan Lewis, and it 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.160 looks like you might not have him because he's on pup. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.040 But do you see a young Corner stepping into that 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.079 that mentality. I know Eric Scott Junior, the rookie out 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.040 of Southern miss he had some some reps with the 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.319 Ones during OTAs. Do you think they could fill that 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.400 void while Jordan Lewis is still coming back from his 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.160 injury and then going to try and fill in that 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:27.760 void as well. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.920 Absolutely, And I like that you mentioned Eric Scott. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.679 He had a pick last week in OTAs and he's 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.440 been He's been all over the place as far as speed, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.600 He's showing off that speed, that four seven to two 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:37.160 speed that. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.440 You loved to reference exactly. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.040 But no, I like where Eric Scott is from a 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.560 progression standpoint, especially coming in as a rookie, a six 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.600 round pick, and you know, from not from a power 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.600 conference and still being able to you know, level himself 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.079 with the guys that are already in the building. But 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.880 you know, I think there are already some really intriguing 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.679 names in that group. I think it's only going to 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:58.640 help competition level. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.559 Isaiah. You you were at OTA's last week. You have 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.280 to watch a little bit of practice as well. What 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.360 did you see? Because it is it's so early and 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.319 even I mean wide receivers aren't elevating. They aren't jumping 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:13.120 for football, so you don't have corners really using their 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.559 arms at all. They're just supposed to be in the 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.800 right spot. But anything that stood out to you last week, no, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.040 not really. I don't want to be that guy. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:24.440 But OTAs you you're not gaining a lot of insight 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.360 in terms of the outlook of potential players aside from 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.000 their ability to grasp the concepts. So outside of that, 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:34.920 as a former player, I don't take a whole lot 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:39.400 away from OTAs because again, you're not getting physical. There's 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.480 not a lot of competition and in regards to challenging 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.439 for the ball or challenging for you know, leverage or 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.080 any of those things on the offensive defensive line fronts. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.319 So I mean in terms of guys being able to 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.720 go out there and digest the information and be able 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.160 to actually go out there and apply it to some 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.319 of the things you got to have talking about in 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.040 reference to like Scott, those are all positives, but in 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.760 terms of like real ball and all that, like, you're 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.240 not gonna see that until we get the training camp. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.880 So I'm excited about that aspect in terms of fulfilling 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.240 that role. Jay Lou wish him all the all the 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.600 best and prayers up for him coming back. Obviously, I've 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.360 had that injury that list, Frank, I don't know to 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.640 what level his is minds was about as bad as 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.520 you can get. And I know what he has to 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.640 overcome as sucks. So he's gonna need some time. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.920 Yeah, and really quickly, Jay Lou. He's running. He's just 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.200 not running routes right now as far as defensive routes. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.160 So he's getting there. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.960 I tell you who better grasp this opportunity with both 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.679 hands and completely leaning into Kelvin Joseph. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:37.520 It's got to be Kelvin Joseph. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.920 And I'm on the record as saying that I think 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.760 while Deuce Fawn is going to be the steal of 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.000 the draft, I feel like Eric Scott can be the 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.120 sleeper pick in this particular draft. So Eric Scott, I 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.679 think he's going to come in and he's going to 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.320 make some waves as early as training camp and then 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.120 through the preseason and we'll see. But if we're sitting 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.160 here talking about Eric Scott, if you're Kelvin Joseph, you 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.040 got to hear this like you do. You hear what 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.440 we're saying, which talking about the rookie sixth rounder coming 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.080 in and making some waves in the absence of Jordan 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.680 Lewis until Jordan is healthy enough to join practice. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.000 So Kelvin Joseph, the Cowboys. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.760 Didn't like what they saw as a boundary corner in 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.559 the absence of Anthony Brown when they put Kelvin Joseph 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.520 as the starter. Didn't go well in Jacksonville, needless to say, 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.680 didn't go well in Green Bay, needless to say, and 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.440 then you ultimately end up with Naean Righting, then Izzy 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.440 mccuamboo in the postseason, but OTAs and now in mini 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.600 camp you're going to see Kelvin Joseph taking some reps 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.080 at Nickel, And the question is, can't since he has 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.800 not impressed the Cowboys coaching staff as a boundary corner, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:37.840 what can you do at Nickel? 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.760 Because if you can't, if you also it's a turn. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.560 If it turns out you can't impress at Nickel, that 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.800 makes you purely a special teamer as a former second 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.680 round pick and a special teamer who draws a lot 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.800 of flags and a lot of penalties. So I think 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.360 as far as opportunities go, this this has to be 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.200 the one that Kelvin Joseph grabs with both hands and say, hey, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:57.800 this is mine. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.600 Because if it's not, what do we talk talking about here? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.800 If this training camp does not go well for Kelvin Joseph, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.400 is he on the roster going at a week one? 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:05.680 No? 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.080 I don't think so I'd be pressed to say yes. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.280 So I just have to say he's going into meeting 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.600 camp with the reaper in the backseat. He is no 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.600 doubt about it. I mean, this is due because keeping 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.400 him means you'd have to let someone else go. So 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.320 the question is who would you let go that would 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.840 be fifty three man worthy? And if he's not impressing 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.160 that nickel and didn't impress that boundary, and he's drawing 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.040 penalties on special teams, where's the where's the win? 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.640 Regardless of position group, There's an argument to be made 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.320 that he has the most to prove on the team. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.720 He has the most important training camp coming in when 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.920 it comes to hey, this is this is the shot, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.400 this is what you got and you got to go 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.240 in and take advantage of it. Yeah, if we're looking 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.680 at it with those with that in mind, he's number 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:45.240 one on that list. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.880 Who would be close to that I don't even know 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.200 if there's really a close second place, maybe Neville Gallimore. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.800 I mean, Gallamore's probably in a similar but not. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.040 Because Galamore also doesn't have the off the field issue 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.920 that a companies to on the field struggle. Right, you're right, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.080 so you don't have those kind of red flags that 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.760 you have from Kelvin Joseph. So I mean there's to 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.120 nixt point, there are a lot of things working against 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.120 Kelvin Joseph. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.040 And it feels like this is it, like this has 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.440 to be it. Look look at the last two years, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.920 Look at the last two draft classes. You've had a 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.720 fifth round rookie come in and take your spot, no doubt. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.320 Deron Blant took Kelvin Joseph's spot and has held on 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.720 to it, and credit to de Ron b Land. But 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.680 then you turn around, you let you say, oh, we're 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.760 gonna spend a sixth round pick on Eric Scott Junior. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.440 If it happens again, there's no reason that Kelvin Joseph 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.800 needs it. Didn't just spend the sixth round pick, traded up, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.120 traded it, get the guy, no doubt message, no doubt message. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.760 I think you guys response and just thinking about Kevin Joseph. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.840 I mean the reality they've they've given him much more 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.560 leash than he is really do ample opportunities, so he is. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:56.080 They have extended an ample amount of grace towards Kelvin Joseph. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.120 And if he does not take advantage of the opportunities 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.600 that are presented to him, he knows what's on the line. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.760 He knows. Like again, that's why I said, we used 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:04.240 to call. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:06.680 Bruce May's back in the day he used to be 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.680 we used to call him the grin Reaper because he's 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:09.840 going through that. He's the one day he used to 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.520 make the cuts in the locker room back in the day. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.400 And whenever we saw Bruce, you want to go away 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.199 opposite direction because old the reapers here. He Kelvin Joseph 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.440 is going at the training camp with the Reaper in 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.120 the back seat, and if he makes too many mistakes, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.080 he won't make it through camp. It's like that that 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:31.600 meme of AJ style smiling yes under like behind him. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.560 All right, let's take our first break when we come back. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.640 We're gonna talk a little contract situation. 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