WEBVTT - Like a Beacon

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with text stuff from dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to tech stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Lauren Focalam, and today we wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about bacon. So bacon is a big thing on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone loves bacon. The hipster's love bacon. They're bacon t

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<v Speaker 1>shirts and bacon what Lauren? Beacons? Beacons, stupid typos, beacons

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<v Speaker 1>you know what? Wait wait, wait wait, I know all

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<v Speaker 1>about beacons because I made a prediction about beacons for

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<v Speaker 1>the predictions. So beacon technology. Yeah, you may have heard

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<v Speaker 1>of beacons, especially if you are an iOS seven fan,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might have heard of I beacon, and you

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<v Speaker 1>may wonder what the heck is a beacon? Why? Why

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<v Speaker 1>what are we talking about here? So really to understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to know that beacon is really an implementation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not, it's not so much, but rather an application

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<v Speaker 1>of Bluetooth Low Energy exactly. And Bluetooth low Energy is

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<v Speaker 1>part is one of the protocols. It's part of Bluetooth

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<v Speaker 1>four point Oh. So, Bluetooth is a set of standards

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<v Speaker 1>for wireless data transmission. You may have heard about personal

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<v Speaker 1>area networks these little networks that exist within a small region.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking like within the the range of around fifty

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<v Speaker 1>meters around a hundred sixty four feet that's typically what

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<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth four point oh can reach. Um, these are where

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<v Speaker 1>you can have all these sort of devices talk to

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<v Speaker 1>one another within this region. If they were to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the region, they would no longer be in contact with

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<v Speaker 1>each other. I played some awesome games of Space Team

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<v Speaker 1>over Bluetooth. Seriously Space Team, well, I mean like the

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<v Speaker 1>the I have controllers for video games that work on Bluetooth.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the Pebble smart watch, which connects by a

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<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth to my smartphone. I have a speaker in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the showers at my house that is a Bluetooth speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can turn on my my Neil Diamond playlist

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<v Speaker 1>when I go and and what oh, that's perfect come

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<v Speaker 1>into America today. I love Bluetooth, so so Beacon. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, it's part of a Bluetooth Low Energy or

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<v Speaker 1>also known as Bluetooth Smart. Those are the two interchangeable terms.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a particular set of protocols that allows

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<v Speaker 1>for low energy Bluetooth transmissions. This is really important because

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<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth traditionally is kind of a battery suck. It really

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<v Speaker 1>drains your battery pretty quickly. Right. But but but this

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<v Speaker 1>uses just small packets of information, so it's not nearly

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<v Speaker 1>as much of a drain. Exactly. It's very efficient. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's and and it's also limited. Right, So you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be streaming Like I talked about that Bluetooth speaker

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<v Speaker 1>that I have in a shower, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>use Bluetooth low energy to stream a song from my

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<v Speaker 1>phone to that speaker because it can't handle that size

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<v Speaker 1>of a data packet. It's it's really just a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>packet can handle a little bit of information. It's Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>instead of Netflix, exactly. Yeah, it's a good, good comparison,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you are. Uh, it's very versatile, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also has its limitations. So this technology, like you said, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not new. It was actually developed under the name

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<v Speaker 1>Wybery by a company, little company called Nokia, So Nokia,

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<v Speaker 1>Nokia or Nokia, depending upon how you like to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 1>It started working on this way back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six, but it was eventually lumped in in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and ten with the Bluetooth standard. So we've had

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<v Speaker 1>this since, but it's just now starting to get some traction.

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<v Speaker 1>You're starting to hear about beacons, especially once uh, Apple

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<v Speaker 1>announced that they were incorporating I beacon, although to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple was not. They didn't trumpet this. This was not

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<v Speaker 1>like one of their big announcements when they unveiled iOS seven.

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<v Speaker 1>If you looked at one of the keynote slides almost

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<v Speaker 1>at power point, but keynote slides, it was probably weren't

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<v Speaker 1>using power probably not. Uh, it was one of like

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<v Speaker 1>two dozen terms on the on a slide that would

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<v Speaker 1>appeared down towards the lower left hand corner, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really featured at all. Well, I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>mostly because not that many um not that many apps

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<v Speaker 1>have have that function built in, or that that not

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<v Speaker 1>that many hardware providers are overall selling beacon technology to

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<v Speaker 1>two places that would be able to use them. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's only a few examples right now. For example, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple stores have them now in the Apple stores. Case.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's I guess I should really explain what a beacon does. Technically,

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<v Speaker 1>what a beacon does, It transmits information over this bluetooth

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<v Speaker 1>low energy two devices that can then accept that information.

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<v Speaker 1>It can also act as a receiver. Doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>just be a transmitter, can be a transmitter and receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, I think most implementations we will see

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<v Speaker 1>will show both transmitter and receiver. Um. So the idea

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<v Speaker 1>being that because it's low energy, you could create a

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<v Speaker 1>standalone device that all it does is beam out whatever

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<v Speaker 1>information you wanted to beam out, and it would be

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<v Speaker 1>accepted by other mobile devices that have Bluetooth technology enabled

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<v Speaker 1>to have some sort of app that as able to

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<v Speaker 1>interpret this information and present it to you. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of the Apple stores, it was information about

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<v Speaker 1>like how long the weight was at the Genius Bar,

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<v Speaker 1>so you might walk in and as long as you

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<v Speaker 1>had that app installed on your iPhone and your iPhone

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<v Speaker 1>was running iOS seven, then you would get that information.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like real time updates about the

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<v Speaker 1>environment you are currently in, and and and again. It

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<v Speaker 1>obeys the same range rules of Bluetooth. You know, once

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<v Speaker 1>you get outside of that fifty range, you're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>those those updates anymore. But a whole bunch of devices

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<v Speaker 1>within that range can all receive this information simultaneously. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you have a lot of the beacons in

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<v Speaker 1>a space, you can get different types of information as

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<v Speaker 1>you move through the space. So let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple Store, because why not. It's a trendy place.

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<v Speaker 1>So there might be one beacon that's near the Genius

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<v Speaker 1>Bar that gives you an update on how that's going.

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<v Speaker 1>There might be another beacon that's closer to say the

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<v Speaker 1>Mac displays, and you get information on all the newest

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<v Speaker 1>Mac computers. And then there might be another one that's

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<v Speaker 1>over by the iPhone displays. You get information about the

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<v Speaker 1>iPhones as you walk around, So when you get close

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<v Speaker 1>to the iPhone display, information pops up on your phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and it again, it's kind of like it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet of Things meets augmented reality in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're getting this digital information about the actual physical

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<v Speaker 1>environment around you. Right, Each beacon has its own little

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<v Speaker 1>I D, and so when your device comes within its

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<v Speaker 1>range um, your device is going to either receive a

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<v Speaker 1>little packet of information directly from the beacon or just

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<v Speaker 1>receive the beacon's I D and then forward it to

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<v Speaker 1>a server which can then give you a lot more information.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, because again that the information the beacon itself

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<v Speaker 1>can end is pretty limited, so there might be some

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<v Speaker 1>tag teaming going on here that would all depend upon

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<v Speaker 1>the app that's on your phone. So this is also

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<v Speaker 1>a good time to remind everyone that when we say

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<v Speaker 1>the beacon is an implementation of of Bluetooth, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>way of saying this is a means of transmitting data wirelessly.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens with that data, how it transfers, what's being

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<v Speaker 1>done with it, that's all dependent upon whatever app you're using.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, it's kind of like any app

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<v Speaker 1>that connects to the internet. The Internet allows for the connection,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't determine what actually happens. What what actually

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<v Speaker 1>happens is dependent upon the software of the app itself.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why Twitter does not do the same thing as

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<v Speaker 1>four Square, which doesn't do the same thing as Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't do the same thing is etcetera, etcetera. So

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<v Speaker 1>they all have their own parameters. All right, that's important

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<v Speaker 1>to remember because that's going to come into play in

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<v Speaker 1>the second half of our conversation. So, because you can

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<v Speaker 1>have these devices that don't take up a lot of power,

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually have pretty small form fact years to

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<v Speaker 1>have a little battery and this little transmitter and not

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot else. There might be a circuit board

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<v Speaker 1>that lets it connect to either another server like you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, or just to have some other sensor, depending

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<v Speaker 1>upon what you want to use this for. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>it could be as small as a as a dongle,

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<v Speaker 1>like a USB dongle. Yeah, so it's it's because it's

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<v Speaker 1>small and it doesn't take up a lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>You could directly have a whole bunch of these and

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<v Speaker 1>and dedicate each one to a specific task. Uh. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the examples I like about what you could do

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<v Speaker 1>with this is imagine that you go to Another implementation

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<v Speaker 1>could be a way of navigating around a really big space,

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<v Speaker 1>like say an airport. So anyone who's done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of traveling, especially if you ever have to go through

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<v Speaker 1>an airport you're not really familiar with and maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>have to make a connection, that can be really stressful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And I mean it's not like GPS is

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<v Speaker 1>going to work in that kind of situation because the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, although the airport is very large, GPS isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that specific, right, And especially GPS usually can't penetrate if

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<v Speaker 1>you're inside a building, right, you might if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>close to a window, then you may not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get a strong enough signal for GPS to even

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<v Speaker 1>tell you really where you are. Right. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>using this beacon kind of technology, your device is going

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<v Speaker 1>to have its own I D numbers, so so this

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<v Speaker 1>beacon network can send out specific information to it, like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, how to get to your gate. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that I land at an airport I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been at, UH and I opened up my app and

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<v Speaker 1>it then connects to this network, this beacon network that's

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<v Speaker 1>inside the airport, and the closest beacon identifies who I

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<v Speaker 1>am through the app. It knows where I'm going because

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<v Speaker 1>the app I'm using has my travel plans in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it relays the information to me, saying, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to turn right and go down this way,

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<v Speaker 1>and your your gate is the seventh one on the right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I know, I just turn right and I go.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to worry, I don't freak out and

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<v Speaker 1>have a meltdown in the airport as I am want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Or could give you coupons for that for

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<v Speaker 1>that food booth. Yes, yeah, maybe maybe I'm rushing by

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<v Speaker 1>Starbucks and then suddenly it says, hey, you want a coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>like yes, yes, I do want a coffee, or or

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<v Speaker 1>it could give you information about the artwork that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>posted up in the halland exactly, and as you get

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<v Speaker 1>closer to your actual gait, it may pull up your

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<v Speaker 1>your electronic boarding paths so that you can just to

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<v Speaker 1>scan and get on the flight so that way. And

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<v Speaker 1>they've even gone so far as to say, what if

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<v Speaker 1>you had one of these so that as you got

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<v Speaker 1>on the flight and you sat down, it reminded you, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>turn off the cellular service on your phone now, because

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<v Speaker 1>now you're on on the plane to do that. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can see where this could be really useful in that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, again kind of maneuvering through unfamiliar areas or

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of things like uh, like, let's say a

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<v Speaker 1>store has a sale that you wouldn't have known about otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>but because you have this one app on your phone

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<v Speaker 1>and because it enables the connection, as you walk by,

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<v Speaker 1>it says, hey, by the way, uh, you know, shoes

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<v Speaker 1>on sale, and you might think, hey, I need shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I will go and look at them. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>beneficial to the store owners as well. I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you say, oh, I do need some shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't going to buy them before, but now I

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<v Speaker 1>totally will, right, And then the store owner sees through

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<v Speaker 1>data visualization that you have interacted with a display. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's because you know, I think of think of looking

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<v Speaker 1>at screen where each of the beacons is represented on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen in a location in your store. Prehaps it's

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<v Speaker 1>even directly associated with a display, and then it lights

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<v Speaker 1>up every time someone interacts with it. And then if

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<v Speaker 1>you see that on that screen that one section is

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<v Speaker 1>lighting up a lot, you know that that's really popular,

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<v Speaker 1>it's working really well. If another section is hardly ever

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<v Speaker 1>lighting up, you might say, well, what's wrong? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>display not attractive? Is it in just a bad area,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's just not a lot of foot traffic there?

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<v Speaker 1>What can I do to improve the traffic there and

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<v Speaker 1>and improve sales? Yeah, especially over time, you can create

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<v Speaker 1>a heat map of what your customers are doing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's like ground level market research that you can

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<v Speaker 1>do yourself based upon this. Now, Uh, that things up

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that they are watching what people are doing

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<v Speaker 1>and how they're moving through the store, which can give

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<v Speaker 1>someone the hebe and or GBS. As I recall, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>you felt that that was a little that was not

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<v Speaker 1>really your bag. Yeah, well it's actually when we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it in the Predictions show. What I'm more

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<v Speaker 1>don't want is my phone pinging me about a billion

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<v Speaker 1>different things when I'm in a store, because that's just

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<v Speaker 1>not the store experience that I am personally looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>I can I can see where it would certainly be

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<v Speaker 1>useful to many people. That sounds like I would be

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<v Speaker 1>so irritated so quickly. So, Lauren, are you the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of person this is just not not really to beacons?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to find out. Are you the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>person who when you need to go shopping, you know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you want, You go and you get and

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<v Speaker 1>you leave. No, Well, sometimes sometimes I am me because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I call the dude approach. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually probably have the extreme lady approach, wherein I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of know what I want and then I also want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at literally everything else in the store. But

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do it on your terms. Yeah, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to guide it to Are I understand?

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<v Speaker 1>I understand entirely. And then see. Here's the thing you

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember is that this involves you installing an

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<v Speaker 1>app on your phone. Uh. And yeah, no one, no

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<v Speaker 1>one is saying that this is going to be enforced, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not like one app. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a technology that enables app developers to make their

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<v Speaker 1>own apps. So every store would have to create an

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<v Speaker 1>app in order to interact with you in this. You

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<v Speaker 1>might either have forty different apps on your phone so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can go to the mall and use all this,

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<v Speaker 1>or you might find an app developer that partners with

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<v Speaker 1>lots of different stores to make an over overarching kind

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<v Speaker 1>of experience. Uh. This is all brand new, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like brand new in the sense of people actually

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<v Speaker 1>working building these things. So it's not like, um, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to point at right now, right right, And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people aren't the only thing that that beacons

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<v Speaker 1>can track. You can also use Bailey technology for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different stuff. There's there's a particular product called

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<v Speaker 1>drop tag that includes Bailey and a bunch of accelerometer

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<v Speaker 1>type sensors. It's it's made to be included with shipments

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<v Speaker 1>and to report back on whether or not the package

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<v Speaker 1>was in fact handled with care. Yeah. I can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>this being a big deal with say luggage, so people

0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.440
<v Speaker 1>can can say like, no, I can demonstrate to you

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<v Speaker 1>that my luggage was not handled properly because look at

0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the data. The data don't lae right. Um. You can

0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.720
<v Speaker 1>also tags, say equipment in a hospital or something like

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<v Speaker 1>that with receivers instet of a beacon network to track

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that you need. Yeah. In fact, the health

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<v Speaker 1>care industry is one of the big industries that are

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<v Speaker 1>that's projected to be a huge user of this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. Sure, you could also use it to track

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<v Speaker 1>your employees if they have an I D badge, Although

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<v Speaker 1>that that that actually goes back into the creeping me

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<v Speaker 1>out about tracking behavior kind of notice that you spent

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<v Speaker 1>an average of seven minutes in the break room when

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<v Speaker 1>your break times are supposed to be limited to five minutes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be not so much fun, although certainly in

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<v Speaker 1>some situations it could it could be a boon to

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<v Speaker 1>the business to figure out. Um, for for example, in

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing or something, if if you need to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how long a product is spending with different teams of people,

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<v Speaker 1>or could be very us or if it's someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>say like uh, on call, like an I T specialist

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<v Speaker 1>that could for hours. Yeah, yeah, it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that could happen. So uh, you know, we we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that GPS doesn't necessarily work very well indoors. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where the speaking technology is really expected to take off

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<v Speaker 1>as an indoor areas, although not exclusively, because there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stadiums that are talking about using this.

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<v Speaker 1>Both football staves, Super Bowl used it, uh, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there are stadiums like baseball stadiums as well that are

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<v Speaker 1>looking to use this kind of technology, but an enclosed

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<v Speaker 1>area at any rate, even if not indoors, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>in this in those cases, it's really meant as a

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<v Speaker 1>way of distributing information quickly to people that want that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of information. So if you're going to a sporting event,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be statistics updated statistics of what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>as you're watching it. But the way that beacons to

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<v Speaker 1>tend to track you to figure out where you are

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<v Speaker 1>if you're inside and there's no GPS, I mean, depending

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<v Speaker 1>upon the app, it could actually ask your phone, what

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.920
<v Speaker 1>are your GPS coordinates right now? But if your if

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<v Speaker 1>your phone can't get GPS coordinates because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the middle of the first flour of the mall, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or a concrete bunker filled with beacons as they often are.

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<v Speaker 1>UM what what it tends to use is the received

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<v Speaker 1>signal strength indication or r S s I. This is

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<v Speaker 1>really the strength of the connection between your device and

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<v Speaker 1>the beacon, and as the distance between your device and

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<v Speaker 1>the beacon decreases, the signal strength increases their inversely proportionate

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<v Speaker 1>sure So UM that by by using multiple beacons, you

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<v Speaker 1>can start to estimate where someone is. If if you

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<v Speaker 1>are close to Beacon A, and you're not far away

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<v Speaker 1>from Beacon C, but you're pretty far from beacon B.

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<v Speaker 1>By triangulating that you can kind of guess where the

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<v Speaker 1>person is. Sure And the more beacons that you have

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<v Speaker 1>set up in this kind of situation, the better your

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<v Speaker 1>your accuracy is going to bind up being exactly so

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<v Speaker 1>that way you can start to track a person's movement

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<v Speaker 1>through a physical space, at least with some degree of

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<v Speaker 1>of certainty. It doesn't always work. There have been lots

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<v Speaker 1>of tests where people have walked up to a display

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<v Speaker 1>that has a beacon there, and there's another display nearby

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<v Speaker 1>as a beacon there, and they get the wrong information

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<v Speaker 1>for the for the display they're looking at that does

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<v Speaker 1>see still still happen, but that is the technology improves.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's going to smooth out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I take a while, And it depends again

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<v Speaker 1>on how many beacons you've gotten the area right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual physical layout of where you've put these beacons,

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<v Speaker 1>and how how those those borders overlap. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want too much overlap because then you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get confusing information. But you don't want it to be

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<v Speaker 1>completely separate because then you can't really tell where someone is.

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<v Speaker 1>You just know that they're close by because it's not directional,

0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.719
<v Speaker 1>it's just proximity. So that's important to remember too. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a lot more to talk about with this,

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<v Speaker 1>including some of the big concerns beyond just hey, they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at where I'm going in the store. Uh, there's

0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.720
<v Speaker 1>some that's yeah, that's I don't I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I had like a dude following me around in the

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<v Speaker 1>store the whole time, if I'd be comfortable with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So why would I be comfortable with this? There are

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<v Speaker 1>other concerns as well, and we'll talk about them in

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<v Speaker 1>just a moment. But before we do, let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break to thank our sponsor. Okay, so one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things we have to talk about is if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a technology that can at least track your movements. Uh,

0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.000
<v Speaker 1>something immediately springs to mind. Besides, that's a little weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little creepy that they see that I'm moving

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<v Speaker 1>through the space. And that's privacy, now, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you're moving through a space. Because in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have an app that doesn't collect any information

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<v Speaker 1>about you. It just lets the system know that there

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.920
<v Speaker 1>is a person here, but there's no identifying information whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a person who has Bluetooth and a old

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<v Speaker 1>technology that's moving through the space. That is possible, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not likely. It's more likely that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have people design apps they're going to collect at least

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<v Speaker 1>some information from your device, and that information could reveal

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<v Speaker 1>more about you than you might expect. For example, there

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<v Speaker 1>are often a lot of people will say that certain

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<v Speaker 1>information like your gender, your data, birth, and your zip

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<v Speaker 1>code are non identifiable pieces of information, meaning that just

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<v Speaker 1>because you give that over doesn't mean they know who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. Because you know you could be any person

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<v Speaker 1>born on a certain day who lives in a certain

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<v Speaker 1>zip code, except for eight seven of the U S population,

0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.919
<v Speaker 1>it totally knows who you are. Yeah, eight seven of

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<v Speaker 1>the time. That is unique information to an individual. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is overwhelming chance that just with those three pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of information, someone who has access to, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>a list of people who live in that zip code

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to identify, cross link and identify you.

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<v Speaker 1>Share and and note that even if you don't specifically

0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 1>give an app that kind of information, if you've, for example,

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.240
<v Speaker 1>linked it to Facebook, the app might have that info

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 1>already right exactly. Any time an app links through some

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.320
<v Speaker 1>other service. Facebook is the greatest example, because it happens

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.879
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Share of Twitter or LinkedIn or or

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<v Speaker 1>any other number of things. Google Plus is another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet any of those are it's going to have as

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<v Speaker 1>much information as you have. Granted it. Granted it. And

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<v Speaker 1>now the permissions in the actual app should lay out

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<v Speaker 1>what pieces of information specifically it is grabbing, whether it's

0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.200
<v Speaker 1>from Facebook or whatever. Also, the terms of service should

0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:43.720
<v Speaker 1>spell that out, But people tend to write really vague

0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.320
<v Speaker 1>terms of service. Yeah. Also, I mean, and that's assuming

0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that anyone actually reads the terms of service, which when

0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 1>no one does, I mean, everyone just hits I accept

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<v Speaker 1>and then moves on, because who who has time to

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<v Speaker 1>read a forty page dissertation that may not even give

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<v Speaker 1>you any information? It is understandable by human beings. Perhaps

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.240
<v Speaker 1>if we contacted Joe's reptilian friends, we would be able

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to figure this out, but we poor humans can't. So

0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.159
<v Speaker 1>if you guys don't listen to too forward thinking, you totally.

0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Joe and I go off about reptilian's extensively. It was

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 1>impossible to control that, which honestly I didn't want to.

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.879
<v Speaker 1>You know, reptilians are pretty impossible to control under especially

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the interdimensional line. I found that out as the podcast continued.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, you you could potentially end up

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<v Speaker 1>sharing quite a bit of information about yourself depending upon

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.639
<v Speaker 1>the app. Again, this is this is independent of the

0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.359
<v Speaker 1>technology itself. That's just the way that the data is

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 1>conveyed from point to point. Sure, and and it's important.

0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, we're still talking. This is opten technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one is forcing anybody to download apps that

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<v Speaker 1>use this. Although I shouldn't mention, I believe if you

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 1>have io iOS seven installed on your iPhone. It automatically

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.440
<v Speaker 1>turns Bluetooth on as default. Yes, but you can turn

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 1>it off, yes you can. And by turning off Bluetooth

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that that also means you've opted out, because Bluetooth is

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.720
<v Speaker 1>how these these things communicate. It's again like kind of

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like WiFi or cellular service. It's just you know, a

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.439
<v Speaker 1>different set of parameters, but the same basic idea. This

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 1>is how that information is traveling. So if you are

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>sharing this information, your privacy is at risk. Obviously, your

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 1>privacy could be at risk in multiple ways. It could

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be that the app creator is collecting data and then

0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.360
<v Speaker 1>selling it to other parties. So maybe you end up

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<v Speaker 1>on every mailing list that has ever been made for

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.600
<v Speaker 1>every product ever and then you get tons and tons

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of jump mail. Or it could be that, uh, if

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the app developer is storing this information somewhere, if that's

0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.280
<v Speaker 1>not secure, someone else could end up hacking into that

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 1>system and getting that information. Yeah, we've seen plenty of examples.

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Even if you don't have anything like a credit card

0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 1>number or something, just your personal identification information can enough

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.680
<v Speaker 1>for a hacker to do some serious damage. Like we're

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>talking identity theft and things along those lines. So I mean,

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:08.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are a lot of things to be

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>aware of before you go into this. Now, it may

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 1>be that you're perfectly fine with that. Maybe you are

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>very careful with your information and you feel confident about it,

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 1>or maybe it's not an issue to you at all,

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 1>which is perfectly fine. There's no reason I'm not going

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to tell anyone. You know, there are certain apps that

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<v Speaker 1>I might use that use this technology that because I

0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>just like the experience of having that app. For example,

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I am a baseball fan. I'm not a statistics fan, Like,

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't obsess over statistics, but if I did, I

0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>could easily see myself wanting to have this so that

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I could get more information, you know, every time player

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>steps up to bat and have that statistic updates. So

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I have a real time baseball card

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>for every player in every every team. That'd be amazing.

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, I mean more information overall. I'm certainly not

0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>going to say it's a bad thing. That's that's lovely. Yeah,

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you just have to think of what the tradeoff could be.

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>So and also, if I'm at the ballpark and I

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 1>find out that for some reason, they're running a special

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.199
<v Speaker 1>on nachos. I definitely want to pounce on that. I

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 1>have such a nacho craving today. I you know I

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.439
<v Speaker 1>do too, I, but I'm not going to go onto that.

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's not you your fault that I'm concentrating

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>on this. I know I'm ashamed of myself for that one, Lauren.

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna look you in the face because

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel terrible, all right, So uh At any rate,

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So again, the app is what this all depends upon.

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>So you also have to worry about security, but we'll

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about that in a little bit too. But security

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 1>is just another of those issues where anytime you have

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 1>information spreading from one point to another, if you have

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>an app that that takes people's information and sends it

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 1>transmits in some way, there are ways to either intercept

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that information or to otherwise corrupt the information. So that's

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>also something to think about another kind of this guy

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 1>of technology. Like I said earlier, I personally would not

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 1>want a store shouting at my phone a whole bunch

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.880
<v Speaker 1>of stuff as I walked through it. So I think

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that I think that over stimulation could could be an issue.

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I can understand that there are days when my phone

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:20.200
<v Speaker 1>notifications go bonkers because of Facebook, of Twitter, of email

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and plants versus zombies too, that I often consider turning

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>it off. I don't, but I consider it. You know.

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking of that store that I get like

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>one or two emails per day from. And do I

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 1>really want them to give them? Right? Yeah, I do not,

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. And you know, granted you could always uninstall

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>an app, but at that point they already have all

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 1>that information anyway, so you know, go back to the

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>privacy issue. Um. Also, it does require that you have

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Bluetooth on, which is another another resource drain on your device, right,

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>so you could end up noticing that your phone battery

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 1>dies faster. This is of those things that actually they mentioned,

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>uh the Pebble mentioned when they were unveiling their stuff

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>at CS. Someone actually asked, like, does having that Bluetooth

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>connection on between the watch and the phone decrease the

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 1>battery life? And and he was very forthcoming. The CEO

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of Pebble said, well, yes, it actually can decrease the

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>battery life by up to ten because because Bluetooth is

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>a little power hungry. Now the actual transmissions are taking

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 1>very little power, but just maintaining the Bluetooth connection the

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>whole time is what's going to start to to put

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a drain on that battery. Certainly. Okay, so you know,

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>we we've listed out some of the cons and I

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 1>know it comes across like we're being really cautionary about this,

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.239
<v Speaker 1>but there's some some genuine benefits that I think are

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>are exciting about this. For example, you know we've talked

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.120
<v Speaker 1>about NFC technology near field communication where you can have

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a an app on a phone or other device that

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>has one of these chips in it and be able

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>to buy something just by tapping the phone again some

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 1>receiver at at a vendor, put in a pen, and

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>then you make a purchase without having to ever take

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>out your credit card. The same thing could happen over

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>this beacon technology you're transmitting over Bluetooth instead of over NFC.

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>It also has the added benefit that you can make

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that that purchase without having to tap your phone against anything,

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>because you know, NFC has a range of a few centimeters,

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.479
<v Speaker 1>but Bluetooth has a range of fifty. Yeah, hypothetically, when

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you walk into the store and an app or even

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a third party thing like like PayPal, PayPal has a

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>dongle in development to to sell to merchants for for

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this kind of payment structure where it's completely hands free,

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>just just by being in the store. You can put

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>merchants on on a list of either pre approved or

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>like one click approval kind of yeah, which is cool.

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's streamlines your your whole process. So I

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 1>mean there's no downside of that, right Well, actually on

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the merchants and um, they might wind up paying higher

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>rates to credit card companies depending on what kind of

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>agreements they have worked out. All payments through the system

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>would count as card not present transactions, which can sometimes

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>come with a heavier fee then present, So that could

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>be a disincentive for merchants to implement that particular feature.

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see. But there are other pros we can

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>talk about. I mean, obviously, you get more information about

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the environment you are in physically, so that that can

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 1>be really beneficial. Particularly let's say you're walking around a museum.

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>You might be getting a lot more information about the

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>exhibits that you're looking at, that kind of tour guide

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of sort of thing. Yeah, exactly, you might turn

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>around the corner and the next thing you know, your

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>phone pops up and says Hello, Dolly, and then you're

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>looking at a great Salvador Dolly painting. It'd be amazing.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I like that in your Utopia version of this technology.

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>There's still a lot of puns. That's also all of

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>my all of my my bluetooth applications would be narrated

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>by Carol Channing. So that's just that's a requirement I have.

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>You would also be able to navigate more easily. Like

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we said with the airport example, you'd able to, you know,

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>use these beacons to guide people. That would be really

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>useful if you happen to have a building that uh

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>that you know, visitors are allowed in certain areas but

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>not others, and make it a lot easier than having,

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, a whole bunch of different security points and stuff.

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Now that you would get rid of security points, but

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you might not have to have as many. Actually, what

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I sort of thought of when we were when I

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>was reading through all of these notes about this technology

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>is that it would it would change the face of

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of horror survival games because you would never have to

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>jangle a door handle and have it tell you that

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>that that the law is broken. You just know, right

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you you walk toward in the phone would just say buster. Nope, yeah,

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you just turn I had to turn around. Um not

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the not the Bluetooth is probably gonna work in a

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>in a hell dimension like most Yeah anyway, Um, but

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.959
<v Speaker 1>this stuff would be hypothetically more stable than a Wi

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Fi or cellular connection. Yeah yeah, I mean as long

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>as you are within that range, it should be working

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty well. And you know, anyone who's familiar with Wi

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Fi and cellular issues knows that those that's not always

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the case. One of the other interesting things is that

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you just need Bluetooth on whatever the devices in order

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>to interact with this technology. So you need the Bluetooth

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and whatever the app is, but it doesn't need to

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>have WiFi or cellular capability. It could just be Bluetooth

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>because that's the protocol being used. So you could have

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>an old cell phone that you haven't used as long

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>as it's able to run Bluetooth four point oh. Um.

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>When I say old cell phone, I mean from this

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>point forward old cell phone, because I think you have

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to have Android four point three or an iOS seven

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>device in order to run it, but you wouldn't have

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to have a cellular contract. Yeah, you just you would

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>just have to have a device that can run this

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>this protocol, and then you could use that as your

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>device to interact with everything. So if you didn't want

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>to load it down on your main phone, you just

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>want to have this other gadget that gets bombarded with stuff,

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>then you totally could do that, um, which I think

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>is pretty cool. Also you could I can see this

0:30:56.240 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>as a system that if you build the right app,

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>you could interact with other people in your environment. By that,

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean Apple's implementation of this is called iBeacon, and

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>technically any iOS seven device becomes an iBeacon, so it

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be a little standalone you know thing

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>that's on a wall or on a shelf. It's actually

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>on your phone or tablet or whatever. So a network

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of people can become a network of information. Yeah, you

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>can even have a flash networks right. Everyone who shows

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>up who has this suddenly becomes part of this network.

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>If you have the right kind of app. You know,

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you would have to design the app to do this.

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I could see this working in some place like south

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>By Southwest, for example, becoming like a networking thing where

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>even if you wanted to, you can make it where

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like an electronic business card exchange kind of deal,

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 1>or if you want to do in a more social setting,

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>it could be for a dating kind of thing. Um. Again,

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to be really careful with that because privacy concerns. Right.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>You might want to find out if the person across

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the room is also interested in Monty Python movies, but

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't necessarily want to give all of your contact

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>information upon that first exchange. These are there's certain social

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>situations we want to go through first. You know, there's

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a there's a pecking order. Uh, I don't I don't

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>want I don't want to accidentally hit the I love you,

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>here's all of my information button. But you know, the

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>biggest pro I think of all of this is that

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>it is opt in and that that any app that

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you're using is you know, hopefully going to have these

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of rules and protections, and just like if you're

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>going to be making a purchase, it's going to have encryption,

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>it's going to require that you put a pen in

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 1>there or some other form of security measure so that

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>people can't take advantage of that. You know that that's

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>really important and I think I think we've learned that

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>lesson using other forms of data transmission. So my hope

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>is that any app developer from this point moving forward

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>keeps that in mind while developing apps, including and really

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 1>anything where you're going to be exchanging information actively with

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>a group of people or or a vendor or whatever.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>So but because it's opt in means that you don't

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>have to do it if you don't want to. If

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you if you want to, if you want to, take

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a weight and see approach and make sure that this

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>is not gonna end up being some sort of nightmare

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>down the road. There's nothing wrong with that. You can

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>completely be cautious if you if it doesn't interest in

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>you you at all, you can stay out of it. Um,

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>that's nice. So I agree that's the biggest pro that

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not forcing you to do it. Although uh, if

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you do have an iOS seven device, remember to turn

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the Bluetooth off because you've been opted in already, so

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>technically that's opt out. But still it's opt which is good,

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>not compulsory, and any opt is I'll take. Yeah, we

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>prefer opt in, but give us at least opt out

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.479
<v Speaker 1>at the very least. All right, Well, that wraps up

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>this discussion about beacon technology. I hope you guys found

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it interesting. Maybe you now agree with my prediction that

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a huge thing this year. I

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>will be shocked to find out otherwise, unless there's just

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>some catastrophic, uh bad experience that ends up making everyone say, oh,

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that was a bad idea. Let's go back to chatting

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 1>through interpretive dance and that's all all right. So if

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