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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, Senator, Senator Sanders.

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Speaker 6: As a human right?

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Speaker 4: Is ebstential. My job is to make Americans healthy again.

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Speaker 7: Now, I think everybody on that side is pro life.

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Speaker 4: I believe, and I've always believed, that every abortion is

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Speaker 2: You want to ask questions.

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Speaker 7: You have started a group called the Children's Health Defense.

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Speaker 4: Market, Senator, I have no power over that organization.

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Speaker 11: Thank you so much, mister chairman, and thank you so

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Speaker 1: And I do have several.

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Speaker 2: Exactly? And that's a solution.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen percent of American youth are now on adderall or some.

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Speaker 11: Okay, let me talk to you about one of those

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Speaker 11: I look forward to seeing you help make us healthy again.

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Speaker 5: Senator Luhan what excuse me, I made a mistake.

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Speaker 12: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, mister chairman. And and just congratulations on your nomination,

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Speaker 4: As a senator, I have always been a science person,

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Speaker 13: And I get your point, it's an interesting point. The

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Speaker 13: So I take this too. The University of Washington has

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Speaker 12: So yes or no?

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Speaker 12: If confirmed, I.

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Speaker 4: Will protect stem cell research. Stem cell research today and

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Speaker 13: You'll protect the laws that are on the books today

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Speaker 13: that PBMs generated one point four billion dollars from spread pricing.

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Speaker 13: That is where they are able to basically set the price,

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Speaker 13: not reimburse pharmacies, and then pocket the rest. We've had

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Speaker 13: bipartisan legislation in several different committees now to get at this.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the solution is.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the really notable achievements of this

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Speaker 4: panel was the PBM legislation that they put together in

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Speaker 4: a bipartisan way. I haven't met a single senator, well

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Speaker 4: actually one only, but of the sixty odd senators that

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Speaker 4: I talked to, all of them talked about BBMS, how

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Speaker 4: important it was, and President Trump during his first administration,

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Speaker 4: pushed through a law or pushed a law to give

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Speaker 4: transparency to BBMS. It got overruled during the Biden administration. Luckily,

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Speaker 4: this panel is resuscitating that he's President Trump's absolutely committed

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Speaker 4: to fixing the BBMS.

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Speaker 13: My time is running out, so I just want to

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Speaker 13: clarify you believe that we should pass these laws that

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Speaker 13: now have been proposed in the city.

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Speaker 4: I haven't read the entire laws, so I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I think that we need to reform the PBMs.

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Speaker 4: I think we need but somebody's rid of all of

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Speaker 4: these vested interests that are training money from the system.

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Speaker 13: Okay, somebody suggested though that you thought we should you

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Speaker 13: should convene the PBMs and talk to them about some

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Speaker 13: sort of self regulation. So I am trying to distinguish

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Speaker 13: between these people who basically are doing illegal activities and

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Speaker 13: ripping off. Really they're creating pharmacy deserts in my state.

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Speaker 13: So I'm asking you whether you believe that we have

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Speaker 13: to legislate in this area.

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Speaker 4: Again, I'm not being evasive, I just don't know exactly

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Speaker 4: what the law says. I met with the PBMs, I

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Speaker 4: met with Pharma, my job is to meet with all

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Speaker 4: the stakeholders.

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Speaker 2: I've been meeting with.

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Speaker 4: Stakeholders for forty years. People, I was suing people, I

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Speaker 4: was you want to hear from the other side, Well,

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Speaker 4: I doesn't mean I would let the PBMs right their

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Speaker 4: own ticket. I think I support the I support the

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Speaker 4: efforts of this committee to come up with biparties legislation.

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Speaker 4: President Trump wants to get the excess profits away from

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Speaker 4: the BBMS and send it back to primary care to

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Speaker 4: patients in this country and high quality.

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Speaker 13: I'll ask you for the record, since my time has expired,

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Speaker 13: to look at the legislation that came out of the

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Speaker 13: Commerce Committee that defined the legal activities that they are

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Speaker 13: doing to drive up prices and get us an answer

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Speaker 13: for the record.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mistering In principle, I support that legislation.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, And let me just tell you the list

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Speaker 5: as we have to move forward to the ending here.

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Speaker 5: Senator Luhan will be next, followed by Senator Marshall, Senator Warnock.

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Speaker 14: Let me say again, missus Chairman, this is a matter

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Speaker 14: of such importance. A number of my colleagues would like

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Speaker 14: a second round, and I think it would be important

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Speaker 14: to offer, say a modest amount of additional time to

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Speaker 14: get into this on both sides. I know I have

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Speaker 14: some questions. I want my colleagues to have the opportunity

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Speaker 14: to raise their concerns as well well.

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Speaker 5: I've said as I have vindicated to you, Senator White,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not going to do a second round. I

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Speaker 5: have been very generous with the senators. I think almost

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Speaker 5: every single senator has had seven minutes at least, and

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Speaker 5: I will give you a second as is our practice,

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Speaker 5: I could to it.

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Speaker 14: I'll then divide my time up with my colleagues.

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Speaker 9: Okay, even you.

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Speaker 6: Are welcome to do that. Thank you, Senator Luhan.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, mister Chairman.

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Speaker 15: Mister Kennedy, when we met, you stated to me that

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Speaker 15: it is not your goal to take away programs that

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Speaker 15: work for Americans. Do you stand by that statement? Yes,

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Speaker 15: Senator mister Kennedy. Do you know how many Americans rely

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Speaker 15: on Medicaid?

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Speaker 4: About seventy two million plus the seven million kids are

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Speaker 4: on chips.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate that seventy two million? Yes?

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Speaker 8: Or no?

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Speaker 15: Is it important that expected mothers and newburns have access

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Speaker 15: to health coverage? Is it important that expectant mothers and

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Speaker 15: newborns have access to health coverage absolutely, enitor, Mister Kennedy,

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Speaker 15: do you know how many babies born in this country

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Speaker 15: are covered through Medicaid?

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Speaker 2: I would guess I don't know. The answer. I would

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Speaker 2: guess about that is thirty million.

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Speaker 15: I have it, mister Kennedy, About forty one point four

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Speaker 15: million babies. Births are financed by Medicaid, according to the

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Speaker 15: National Center for Health Statistics.

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Speaker 9: Yes or no?

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Speaker 15: Do you believe that medica is a critical program.

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 4: Medicaid is a critical program, but that it's not working

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Speaker 4: as well as it ought to be, and Prinsident Trump

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Speaker 4: has asked me to make it, to make it work better,

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Speaker 4: that most Americans are not happy with the premiums are

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Speaker 4: too high, the de doctorbiles are too high, and everybody's

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Speaker 4: getting sick, or too much money is going to miss

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Speaker 4: assurance industry.

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Speaker 15: I have a series of yes or no questions. They're

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Speaker 15: pretty simple. Because you heard we're not going to get

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Speaker 15: a second round in questions. I ask for your indulgence

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Speaker 15: to be able to get through them.

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Speaker 9: Yes or no.

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Speaker 15: In New Mexico, as you know, Medicaid is often measured

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Speaker 15: state by state. It might surprise you if you look

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Speaker 15: at some of those surveys. In New Mexico, the response

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Speaker 15: was ninety percent of New Mexicans on Medicaid report satisfaction

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00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 15: getting care, eighty percent getting specialist care, eighty five percent

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Speaker 15: getting urgent care, ninety five percent ease of filings.

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Speaker 9: Out of focus.

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Speaker 15: Not to pick on any one of my colleagues, but

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Speaker 15: in Louisiana, eighty six percent of people on Medicaid are

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Speaker 15: satisfied with their interactions. Eighty three percent are satisfied getting care,

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00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 15: eighty five percent are satisfied getting specialized care, eighty two

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Speaker 15: percent getting urgent care. I can go on state by state,

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Speaker 15: but we don't have the time today.

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Speaker 9: Yes or no?

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Speaker 15: Do you support cutting Medicaid or reducing and uh, especially

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Speaker 15: in an area where you and I spoke about with

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Speaker 15: the Federal Investment in Medicaid, which is known as f MANT.

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Speaker 4: I'm President Trump has not told me to that he

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Speaker 4: wants cut Medicaid.

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Speaker 2: He's told me to make it better.

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Speaker 9: Do you support cutting Yes or no?

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Speaker 15: Present, let me ask you this way, since you're it's

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Speaker 15: only about.

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Speaker 2: President support making it better.

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Speaker 15: Senator, if President Trump asked you to cut Medicaid, will

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Speaker 15: you do it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's not up to me to cut Medicaid. It

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00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: would be up to Congress. Oh and you.

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Speaker 9: Don't have work, mister Kenny. You don't want answer, I'll

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Speaker 9: move on.

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Speaker 15: Do you know how many states will end mister chairman,

579
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Speaker 15: if I may pause my time, So I understand that

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00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 15: people are getting asked to leave if they stand up

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Speaker 15: with signs. But there's a lot of other as well,

582
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Speaker 15: mister chairman, So it needs to be extended to everyone.

583
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Speaker 15: As mister Kennedy said, we should respect each other when

584
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Speaker 15: we have a difference of opinion. We're just trying to

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Speaker 15: do our jobs here and trying to ask questions.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 9: And that's all I'm doing with mister Kennedy, folks.

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Speaker 6: So we can center on.

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Speaker 5: You are right, and I asked the audience to please

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Speaker 5: be respectful.

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Speaker 15: Thank you, mister chairman. I appreciate that very much, mister Kennedy.

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Speaker 15: Do you know how many states will end their medicaid

593
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Speaker 15: expansion if the federal share of medicaid drops?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's forty states that have signed on to the expansion,

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00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: so you know it's.

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Speaker 15: A smaller number, so it's nine states would quickly have

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Speaker 15: to end their expansion because of the laws that they have.

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Speaker 15: That's about four million folks across the country and Mexico, Iowa,

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Speaker 15: and Idaho. They have triggers that it would immediately have

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Speaker 15: to go into effect if in fact that gets cut.

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Speaker 15: The reason I'm asking those questions is there's been a

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Speaker 15: lot of chatter and conversations around medicaid. Now, I agree

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Speaker 15: we can always do better, and we must be doing

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Speaker 15: better in America, But medicaid has been shown to improve

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Speaker 15: health outcomes, including mortality, quality of life.

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Speaker 9: And access to preventative care as well.

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Speaker 15: And there's some areas, mister Kenny that you and I

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Speaker 15: touched on specific to Native American communities. One of the

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Speaker 15: concerns that I have where these programs matter to folks.

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Speaker 15: You shared your passion about caring for folks. I believed

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Speaker 15: that passion. My question in this area is, as you know,

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Speaker 15: when folks are doing research and they're going to check

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Speaker 15: to see if medicine works on someone, if they're not

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Speaker 15: included in that trial, it often doesn't help them. That's

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Speaker 15: what all the evidence shows. So what are you going

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Speaker 15: to do when programs are eliminated to require the inclusion

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Speaker 15: of Native Americans in clinical trials. When it comes to

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Speaker 15: life stating saving medicine.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to do everything I can to make sure

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Speaker 4: there's Native Americans clinical trials. As I said to you

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Speaker 4: when I visit your office, I spent twenty percent of

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Speaker 4: my career working on Native issues. My family's been deeply

623
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Speaker 4: involved with them. My family father and uncle were big

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Speaker 4: critics of the Indian Health Service failure to deliver good

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Speaker 4: results or healthcare on the reservations. I'm going to bring

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Speaker 4: a Native and for the first time in history into

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Speaker 4: my central office that all the major decisions in my

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Speaker 4: office will be.

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Speaker 2: That he will have it.

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Speaker 4: He already interviewed a very very good candidate. We'll have

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Speaker 4: direct impact on all the major officer and one of

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Speaker 4: my priorities is.

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Speaker 9: You know, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 15: I will follow up in that space specifically, Will you

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00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 15: commit to finalizing the congressionally mandated FDA Guidance to increase

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Speaker 15: Clinical Trial Diversity?

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Speaker 2: Well, just repeat that again, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 15: When you commit to finalizing the congressionally mandated FDA Guidance

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Speaker 15: to increase increasing Clinical trial diversity? Yes, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 15: Will you commit to reinstating all of the pages that

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Speaker 15: were eliminated and people that were fired from this administration

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Speaker 15: that have this responsibility.

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Speaker 2: I cannot commit to that because I don't even know

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Speaker 2: who they are.

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00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: Well, there's commit working with you to make sure those

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Speaker 4: positions are adequately staffed.

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Speaker 15: I will follow up in writing in those specific areas

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Speaker 15: because I think there's some commonality here.

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Speaker 9: But answers matter, and so.

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Speaker 15: I'd like to get those as timely as possible. Well,

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Speaker 15: the last thing, mister Chairman, that I'll say is one

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Speaker 15: of the conversations I had last before this hearing was

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Speaker 15: with a family that I've been working with to work

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Speaker 15: with my Republican colleagues when it comes to autism and

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Speaker 15: federal programs and making a difference in these families' lives,

656
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Speaker 15: in this little girl's life. What I'm asking now, mister Chairman,

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Speaker 15: is unanimous consent to enter into the record an article

658
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Speaker 15: from Autism Speaks titled quote do vaccines cause autism?

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Speaker 9: End quote, and I'll note that the first.

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Speaker 15: Sentence states, quote vaccines do not cause autism end quote.

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Speaker 9: Thank you all, you'll.

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Speaker 5: Back without objection, And before we move on, we've had

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Speaker 5: a request from several quarters for a quick restroom break.

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Speaker 5: We will take a five minute recess. I'm sorry to

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Speaker 5: those remaining five or six senators who must wait a

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Speaker 5: few minutes.

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Speaker 6: But we will have a quick break.

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Speaker 5: We will be back as soon as we can.

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Speaker 2: That's Robert F.

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Speaker 16: Kennedy's confirmation, hearing that's been going on for a little while.

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Speaker 16: They are going to recess. We of course will rejoin

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Speaker 16: the moment they return. In the meantime, let's get you

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Speaker 16: over to the Charlie Kirkshaw already in progress.

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Speaker 17: This has been a live special report. We now join

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Speaker 17: our programming. Already in progress.

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Speaker 18: Your conversation with Tom Holman echoing some of these sentiments

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Speaker 18: but seeing it in raw video form is very powerful.

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Speaker 3: Play cut three.

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Speaker 19: So forget the false narrative of sweeping neighbor looking for

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Speaker 19: people a different.

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Speaker 2: Color than us.

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Speaker 19: Forget that hogwash, and look at what we actually did.

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Speaker 19: We're proven it to them. How can you argue with

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Speaker 19: the system where you've set up?

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Speaker 10: Well, straight up, are you going into schools and arresting

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Speaker 10: children at schools?

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Speaker 8: No?

688
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 10: Is anything like that happening.

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00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 9: Well, sir, are you going.

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Speaker 10: Into business is and sweeping through there and taking anybody

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Speaker 10: with a tan and seeing where they're from.

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Speaker 19: We go on a business for a criminal enforcement operation,

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Speaker 19: But again, sweeps don't occur anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Sweeps are not occurring.

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Speaker 10: You're just not going in like saying for finishing upond

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00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 10: and just picking up. You're going targeted. If a criminal

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Speaker 10: is working in a business and you have to pick

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Speaker 10: them up there, you're going in for that target.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely, So, doctor Phil, you might not have the answer

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Speaker 18: to this, But then it begs the question, there is

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Speaker 18: a list and they know where a lot of these

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Speaker 18: people are. How long is that list? How thorough is that?

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Speaker 18: I'm not sure if you had that discussion with Tom

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Speaker 18: Holman or not.

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Speaker 10: I did have that discussion, and I was permitted to

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Speaker 10: be part of a briefing that took place that morning,

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00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 10: and the briefing didn't obviously, the investigation didn't start that morning.

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Speaker 10: They had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of multi agency

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00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 10: man hours in on putting together a list, and I

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Speaker 10: think they had two hundred and seven people on the

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Speaker 10: target list that morning. And these were people that they

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Speaker 10: had identified as violent criminals. And if you saw the

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Speaker 10: wall behind me there with the white pages hacked up

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Speaker 10: on the wall, these are arrests that had been made

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Speaker 10: in Chicago.

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Speaker 6: There you can see them. And as you look.

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Speaker 10: Across there if you could be close enough to read,

718
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Speaker 10: which you can't, but it was murderer, murderer, violent aggravated assault,

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Speaker 10: child rapist, sex crimes against children. All of these people

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Speaker 10: that were arrested and being taken out of the community,

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Speaker 10: all of these had files and they had done investigations

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Speaker 10: on these people, gotten their rap sheets, known where they

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Speaker 10: had dwellings, some of them had been under surveillance. There

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Speaker 10: were arms dealers in there, drug dealers in there, traffickers

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Speaker 10: in there, all in this group of two hundred and

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Speaker 10: seventy and gang members MS thirteen TDA. All of these

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Speaker 10: gang members and these Venezuelans, for example, come into the

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Speaker 10: city and the first thing they do is find their

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Speaker 10: countrymen that are here, and they start extorting and bullying them,

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Speaker 10: taking advantage of them, and then they start spreading out

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Speaker 10: from there. So these are bad actors, Charlie, and they're dangerous,

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Speaker 10: they're armed, many of them are armed, and they just

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Speaker 10: create a real threat to the community. And that's who

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Speaker 10: they're targeting. That's who they're after. And Tom Holman told

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Speaker 10: me they have three objectives. One seal the border so

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Speaker 10: we don't continue to have these people flowing into the country.

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Speaker 10: Number two, take the violent criminals off the street. And

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Speaker 10: number three, find and rescue these hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 10: missing children that have been brought into this country and

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Speaker 10: trafficked into slave labor or sex work in some way.

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Speaker 9: That's their.

742
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Speaker 10: Three prong agenda right now. And the focus is worst

743
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Speaker 10: first right now in the beginning, and they've got plenty

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Speaker 10: of worse to get to for.

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Speaker 2: A long time.

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Speaker 18: So, doctor phil in closing here and thank you for

747
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Speaker 18: your time, what is your general analysis and take on

748
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Speaker 18: the pace at which the president is operating. I know

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Speaker 18: you've had the opportunity to interview him before and know

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Speaker 18: the president for quite some time.

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Speaker 3: It is a breakneck speed.

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Speaker 18: What is your take on how President Trump has started

753
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Speaker 18: this first week and a half.

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Speaker 10: Look, whether you like President Trump or whether you don't,

755
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 10: whether you voted for him or whether you didn't, he

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00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 10: told people what he was going to do, and he

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Speaker 10: is doing exactly what he said he was going to do.

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Speaker 10: He didn't make a bunch of campaign promises and then

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Speaker 10: sit around and you know, waffle on this waffle on

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Speaker 10: that he's doing exactly what he said he was going

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Speaker 10: to do. He's pursuing the priorities that he set out

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Speaker 10: so people knew. He said, you left the border open,

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Speaker 10: let all of these people come in. I'm going to

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Speaker 10: start getting them out from day one, minute one. And

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Speaker 10: that's exactly what has been That's exactly what has been happening. Now.

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Speaker 9: You may not like that, you may feel like, hey, I.

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Speaker 10: Don't want to take these people out of the community,

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Speaker 10: but that's what he said he was going to do.

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Speaker 17: And we're interrupting this program for a special live report.

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Speaker 16: We're interrupting your regularly scheduled programming as the confirmation hearing

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Speaker 16: before the Senate Judiciary Committee involving Robert F. Kennedy Junior,

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Speaker 16: is back underway. Let's listen in.

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Speaker 5: It's to a few of the other senators. So we

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Speaker 5: will have a few more quick questions and then we

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Speaker 5: will proceed.

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Speaker 6: And I would like to thank.

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Speaker 5: The audience again. I know we had a couple of

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Speaker 5: out bursts earlier, but I want to thank the audience

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Speaker 5: for being respectful and encourage the audience to continue to

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Speaker 5: be respectful as we conclude the hearing.

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Speaker 6: With that, Senator Marshall.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Chairman.

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Speaker 20: Obesity Diabetes heart disease, Obesity diabetes, heart disease account for

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Speaker 20: probably eighty percent of health challenges in America. You many

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Speaker 20: times I heard my friends across the aisle mention any

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Speaker 20: three of those. I don't know if we've lost the

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Speaker 20: force for the trees. Your vaccine is a critical issue.

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Speaker 20: I understand that. I don't see how mister Kennedy's position

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Speaker 20: could be any more clear. That he's going to support

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Speaker 20: the vaccines. He's going to support the science and empowerment

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Speaker 20: to parents and.

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Speaker 2: Their doctors to make these choices.

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Speaker 20: Sixty percent of Americans have a chronic disease. That there's

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Speaker 20: an epidemic of chronic diseases across the country.

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Speaker 6: And this make America Healthy.

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Speaker 2: Good movement is palpable to me.

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Speaker 20: It started on the campaign trail in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 20: moms I had never met, that never involved in the

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00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 20: political process, came up to me and said, look, I

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Speaker 20: want to make these choices about my children with my doctor,

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Speaker 20: not the federal government.

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Speaker 3: That it's a very real thing.

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Speaker 20: Moms, dads, grandparents across the country grab me and say, look,

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00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 20: why do twenty percent of our children now, why are

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Speaker 20: they on a prescription drug? So, mister Kennedy, what is

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Speaker 20: your prescription to help make America healthy again.

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Speaker 6: What is what's your vision? What does that look like

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Speaker 6: to you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Senator Marshall.

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Speaker 4: We're having epidemics of all these chronic illnesses, autoimmune diseases,

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Speaker 4: neurological diseases, allergic diseases, obesity. My uncle's president. Three percent

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Speaker 4: of Americans world beese today, seventy four percent of Americans

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Speaker 4: or over bees or overweight.

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Speaker 2: No other country has anything like this.

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Speaker 4: In Japan the obesity rate is still three percent and

816
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Speaker 4: epidemics are not caused by genes. Genes may provide the vulnerability,

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00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: but you need an environmental toxic.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Something is poisoning the American people.

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Speaker 4: And we know that the primary culprits our food are

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Speaker 4: changing food supply, the switch to highly chemical intensive process

821
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Speaker 4: of foods. We have ten thousand ingredients in our country

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Speaker 4: in our foods, the Europeans have only four hundred. If

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Speaker 4: you buy McDonald's French fries in our country, there is

824
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Speaker 4: eleven ingredients by understanding, in Europe there's only three. If

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00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: you buy fruit loops in our country, they're low to

826
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Speaker 4: the food ties with the yellowtie, red eye, blue dye

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Speaker 4: and many other ingredients. The same company makes the same

828
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Speaker 4: product with different ingredients for Canada and Europe and at agent.

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Speaker 4: We don't have good science on all of these things,

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00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: and that is deliberate. That's a deliberate choice not to

831
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Speaker 4: study the things that are truly making us sick, that

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00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: are not only contributing to chronic disease, to mortalities from

833
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: infectious disease. We need to get a handle on this

834
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Speaker 4: because if we don't, it's an existential threat.

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Speaker 2: Our country is.

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Speaker 4: Not going to be destroyed because we get the marginal

837
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Speaker 4: tax rate wrong, or because we get one of these

838
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: culture war issues that we've been talking about today wrong.

839
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Speaker 4: It's going to be destroyed if we continue down this

840
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Speaker 4: trajectory of chronic disease. We need to fix our food

841
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Speaker 4: supply and that's the number one.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, mister Kennedy.

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Speaker 20: Certainly I share your concern with ultra process us foods.

844
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Speaker 20: On the other end of this food chain are my

845
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Speaker 20: farmers and ranchers back home. Would you just take a

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Speaker 20: second and share your compassion how you feel about farmers

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Speaker 20: and ranchers, That they respond to the market, They don't

848
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Speaker 20: dictate the market. They grow what the market is wanting

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Speaker 20: them to grow.

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Speaker 4: And of Senator Hawley told me the other day his

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Speaker 4: brother in laws are all farmers, and he said four

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Speaker 4: out of every five of his brother in laws has

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Speaker 4: Parkinson's disease. And that kind of cluster we're seeing across

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Speaker 4: farm country of cancers, automiune disease, is obesity, etc. Oh

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00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 4: it's and we can now not export American food to

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Speaker 4: Europe because the Europeans won't take our food. That's not

857
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: good for farmers. Are also destroying our soil because some

858
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: of the chemicals of farmers use destroy the microbio and

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00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: that caused the erosion of the soil. You can't get

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00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: water infiltration, water pools up and itters the soil off.

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Speaker 4: Agronomus now has to make that we only have if

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Speaker 4: we continue doing these processes. Only sixty harvest left before

863
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: our soil is gone. Farmers have are using seeds and

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Speaker 4: chemicals that are over the long term are causing them

865
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Speaker 4: and us. And but what we need to do is

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Speaker 4: we need to support the farmers. We need to We

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Speaker 4: need the farmers as partners if we're going to make

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Speaker 4: them work. And I don't want a single farmer to

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Speaker 4: go out of business under our watch. I don't regulate

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Speaker 4: far if I'm privileged to be confirmed not regulating farms.

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Speaker 2: That's under USDA.

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Speaker 4: But I want to partner with all of my decisions

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Speaker 4: with the US and with the farmer farm community to

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Speaker 4: make sure that we don't lose more farmers in this country.

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Speaker 4: So we also transition, We offer and incentivize transitions to

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Speaker 4: regenerative agriculture, to to know till agriculture, and to less

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Speaker 4: chemically intensive. And by the way, I've also met with

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Speaker 4: the chemical industry and the fertilizer and herbicide companies and

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Speaker 4: they want to do the same thing. Oh, and I

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00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: think we're on the trajectory to do that, and we

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Speaker 4: need to incentivize initiatives to accelerate that trajectory.

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Speaker 20: Mister chairman, if I could you know, the great news

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Speaker 20: is that my farmers in Kansas are selling products to

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Speaker 20: Europe that today's regenerative practices, soil health, all those things

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Speaker 20: are priorities for Kansas farmers were many of us are

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Speaker 20: doing many of those things already. We just need it

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Speaker 20: to be more widespread. If I could just wrap up

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Speaker 20: my remarks though, is that again going back to the

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Speaker 20: big picture here, sixty percent of Americans have a chronic disease.

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Speaker 20: Mister Kennedy, I believe for such a time as this,

891
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 20: that you're not just one of three hundred million people.

892
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 6: I think that you are.

893
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 20: The person to lead AHHS to make America healthy again.

894
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 20: That God has a divine purpose for you, and I

895
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 20: look forward to your confirmation and working with you to

896
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 20: make America healthy again.

897
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

898
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: That is.

899
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Speaker 21: Senator Warner, thank you, Thank you so much, Terman Crapo

900
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 21: and ranking member wide and it's great to be here.

901
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 21: Mister Kennedy, welcome, Welcome to you and to your family.

902
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 21: Thank you for meeting with me a few days ago.

903
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 21: I'd like to follow up, if I might, with some

904
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 21: of the issues that we discussed in my office. I

905
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 21: want to talk to you first about the CDC or

906
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 21: the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Out of the

907
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 21: work that the CDC does, proud that it's located in

908
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 21: Georgia with more than ten thousand employees in my state.

909
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 21: If confirmed, you would be the Cabinet Secretary over the

910
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 21: CDC representing HHS. It's about twenty nine percent of the

911
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 21: federal budget. CDC is a part of that. Do you

912
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 21: agree that the CDC's work is critical to Georgia critical

913
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 21: for our country and the health of the entire world.

914
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: Yes, Senator Senator Isaacson.

915
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 21: My Republican predecessor, would agree, would have agreed with that.

916
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 21: Bless his memory. He was a fierce advocate for the CDC.

917
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 21: As am I, the CDC is an agency filled with

918
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 21: hard working, dedicated public health servants. They wake up every

919
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 21: single day working to keep us safe. I think don't

920
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 21: think often enough about their work because it's easy not

921
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 21: to celebrate the folks who are protecting you from that

922
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 21: which doesn't appear because of the work that they're doing.

923
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 21: So grateful for the work that the CDC employees do.

924
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 21: Some of them are members of my church. I saw

925
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 21: that deep commitment firsthand when I visited the CDC just

926
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 21: last summer. Mister Kennedy, you have compared the CDC's work

927
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 21: to Naxie death camps. You've compared it to sexual abusers

928
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 21: in the Catholic Church.

929
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 9: You've also said.

930
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 21: That many of them belong this is a direct quote,

931
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 21: many of them belong in jail. For me, those are

932
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 21: disturbing characterizations of the CDC workers that I know who

933
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 21: are trying to keep the American public safe every single day.

934
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: And as you are.

935
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 21: Presented a denominee for this position, I need to know

936
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 21: do you stand by those statements that you made in

937
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 21: the past or do you attract those previous statements.

938
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 4: Senator, I don't believe that I ever compared the CDs

939
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: A to Nazi death camps. I support the CDC. My

940
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 4: job is not dismantled or harm the CDC. My job

941
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 4: is to my power of the scientist if I'm privileged

942
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 4: to be confirmed.

943
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 9: So you retract those statements.

944
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm not retracting it. I never said it.

945
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 21: Well, well, actually I have a transcript.

946
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: Of me saying that it's death let me read your words.

947
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 21: Says that the institution CDC and the vaccine program is

948
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 21: your description of their work, is more important than the

949
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 21: children that it's supposed to protect. And you know, it's

950
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 21: the same reason we had a pedophile scandal in the

951
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 21: Catholic Church is because people were able to convince themselves

952
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 21: that the institution of the church was more important than

953
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 21: these little boys and girls who were being raped. That's

954
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 21: pretty provocative, which you said in another statement to me,

955
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 21: this is like Nazi death camp.

956
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean in another I mean, let me finish.

957
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 21: I'm just reading your words, I mean, what happens, What

958
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 21: happened to these kids? One in thirty one boys in

959
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 21: this country. Their minds are being robbed from them.

960
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was not comparing the CDC A Nazi death camps.

961
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 4: I was comparing the injury rate to our children to

962
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Speaker 4: other atrocities.

963
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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't compare.

964
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 4: The of course, the cd SEED in Nazi death cans

965
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 4: to any to the extent at any statement that I

966
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 4: made has been interpreted that way.

967
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't agree with that.

968
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 4: In two thousand and three, the United States Congress Government

969
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 4: Oversight Committee I ended a an over a year investigation

970
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 4: of the CDs A and used almost that same language.

971
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 4: They said that the CDC, just one division, one branch

972
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 4: of the Immanization Safety Office, had put institutional self interest

973
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: and pharmaceutical profits I head of the welfare and the

974
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: health of American children. So that was a conclusion by Congress.

975
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Speaker 4: And I repeat that.

976
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 21: I'm asking you because you're the nominee for HHS.

977
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 9: It sounds like you stand by those statements.

978
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 4: As Senator, my objective is to support the CDC. There's

979
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 4: nothing I'm going to do that is going to harm CDC.

980
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that our science is gold

981
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 4: standard science, so it's free from that. The same Oversighted

982
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: Investigation Committee on the panels of the ASP panel and

983
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: within the CDC, I think ninety seven percent of the

984
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 4: people on it had conflicts. I don't believe that that's right.

985
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: I think we need to end those conflicts and make

986
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 4: sure that scientists are doing unobstructed science.

987
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 21: So I want to enter this statement, by the way,

988
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 21: into the record without objection.

989
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 6: Without objection.

990
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 21: Last week, the White House gagged HHS and the CDC,

991
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 21: preventing them from communicating all important public health information to anyone,

992
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 21: including all of our allies, including our allies in the

993
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 21: United States and global disease prevention. Can you just answer

994
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 21: yes or no? Because I'm running out of time. Do

995
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 21: you agree with that action?

996
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: I was not consultant on it, but that's pretty much

997
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: standard of procedure for incoming administration.

998
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 21: So you agree with the action that gagged HHS and

999
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 21: CDC from communicating important public public health information.

1000
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: That directive made sure that no, you said public health

1001
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 4: and only not an essential. Travel and mass communications were

1002
00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 4: temporarily suspended the pending information of a new HHS secretary.

1003
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: There's a standard operating procedure.

1004
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: I get an, I get it.

1005
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 21: I don't think what we've seen over the last several

1006
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 21: days is standard operation for new administration. I think we're

1007
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 21: seeing some unprecedented actions.

1008
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: But you agree with it.

1009
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 21: Last night, members of the CDC, along with other federal employees,

1010
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 21: were actually invited to resign these buyouts, and I got

1011
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 21: text messages and folks, I know we're from the CDC,

1012
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 21: for the CDC that do this important work.

1013
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: Who got that note?

1014
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 21: And it's really important because my experience is that when

1015
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 21: you send out that kind of note, the folks who

1016
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 21: resign are the folks who you least likely want to

1017
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 21: see resign. They got other options. They're gifted folks, they

1018
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 21: got a lot of expertise, they have options. A lot

1019
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 21: of them are doing this work because of their patriotism,

1020
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 21: because of their commitment. Do you agree with the buyouts

1021
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 21: that were presented to CDC employees.

1022
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: Just last night? I agree.

1023
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 4: At the asvatory, the scientists and experts at CDC are

1024
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: patriots who government service.

1025
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: I can you tell me, I don't think anybody's going

1026
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: to resign who's committed?

1027
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 21: Can you just answer yes, Okay, you agree with the buyouts?

1028
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 21: In our meeting, I asked you to confirm your support

1029
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 21: for the Affordable Care Act. You also mentioned that you

1030
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 21: and President Trump want to fix the ACA by making

1031
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 21: premiums more affordable. Can you answer me yes or no?

1032
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 21: As I don't have a lot of time. Did you

1033
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 21: know that tax credits that help families afford health insurance

1034
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 21: and save George as an average of five hundred and

1035
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 21: thirty one dollars per month per person are set to

1036
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 21: expire at the end of the year.

1037
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: Did you know that I do we need to move on?

1038
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 21: Do you support Congress extending these tax credits so that

1039
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 21: Americans can continue to afford healthcare?

1040
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 4: I you know Congress has to make its own decisions

1041
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 4: about that my instructions for Chairman.

1042
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 21: You're saying, I'm having a lot of trouble getting the

1043
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 21: witness to answer yes or no to a yes or

1044
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 21: no question.

1045
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 9: Well, I've got one more question.

1046
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 6: I'm you're almost at nine minutes.

1047
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 21: Well I need him to answer yes or no, yes

1048
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 21: or no.

1049
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 16: I'm not going to.

1050
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: Answer yes or no to a question that's not susceptible

1051
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 4: to an honest yes or no answer.

1052
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 6: We need to move on.

1053
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 21: I think that the fact that you find it difficult

1054
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 21: to answer basic questions. Is deeply troubling for me as

1055
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 21: you present yourself as a nominee to run HHS.

1056
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: Thank Youator. I've been in courts all over the country.

1057
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 21: Chairman, you told me I'm out of time, and he

1058
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 21: continues to fill a buster even after I said I'm done.

1059
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 22: Senators, mister Chair, thank you, Thank you, mister Chair and

1060
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 22: ranking member, and welcome mister Kennedy. So, mister Kennedy, I

1061
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 22: don't have a question for you on abortion. I think

1062
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 22: that my colleagues on both sides of the aisle have

1063
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 22: covered this, but I want to say I can respect

1064
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 22: people who have different views than mine on this issue,

1065
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 22: but it's hard for me to respect people who won't

1066
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 22: give a straight answer to what they think on this issue.

1067
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 22: In particular, Mister Chair, I just want to note that

1068
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 22: I understand that anti choice advocates have said that in

1069
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 22: these hearings they were looking to hear mister Kennedy provide

1070
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 22: some reassurance that he is on their side, and I'm

1071
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 22: not hearing that. And I think most Americans are looking

1072
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 22: for some hint that the decisions that people make about

1073
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 22: abortion should be personal and private, and they should be

1074
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 22: free to make those decisions without government interference, and I'm

1075
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 22: not hearing that either. To make it worse, the answers

1076
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 22: that you have given tell me that the Trump administration

1077
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 22: is more than willing to restrict or even ban medication

1078
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 22: abortion without a single act of Congress, and even in.

1079
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 12: States where abortion is legal.

1080
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 22: And what is cleared to me is that you and

1081
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 22: President Trump are dangerous to women's access to Memphi pristone.

1082
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 22: So having said that, I want to move to a

1083
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 22: different topic, Mister Kennedy, I appreciate Senator Cornynan's questions about

1084
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 22: mental and behavioral health, something that I care a lot about.

1085
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 22: I know that you and your family have had personal

1086
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 22: experience with mental health challenges, as have I, and I

1087
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 22: agree that the mental health crisis in this country is

1088
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 22: a crisis.

1089
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 12: So let me ask you.

1090
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 22: In an interview in twenty twenty three and again in

1091
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 22: twenty twenty four, you blamed school shootings on antidepressants. You said,

1092
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 22: and this is a quote, there is no time in

1093
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 22: American history or human history that kids were going to

1094
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 22: shoot schools and shooting their classmates. It really started happening

1095
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 22: coterminous with the introduction of these drugs, with prozac and

1096
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 22: with other drugs. So do you believe, as you've said,

1097
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 22: that antidepressants cause shootings. This is a should be a

1098
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 22: simple question.

1099
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody can answer that question. And I

1100
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 4: didn't answer that question.

1101
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: I said it.

1102
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 4: So your answer is I said it should be studied

1103
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 4: along with other potential call prid slave they may call

1104
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 4: social media. Yeah, but I don't know. I would never

1105
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 4: make because there's no science on that.

1106
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 22: Well there is, Senator, I mean, excuse me, there is,

1107
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 22: mister Kennedy.

1108
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Speaker 12: The science shows that there is no link.

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Speaker 22: Between school shootings and ant anddepressants, and in fact, most

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Speaker 22: school shooters were not even treated with antidepressants, and of

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Speaker 22: those that were, there was no evidence of association.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't think my question, Senator, because the

1113
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Speaker 4: Hipper rules, nobody knows.

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Speaker 22: Well that is, mister Kennedy, do you think that people

1115
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 22: who take antidepressants are dangerous?

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 4: I think I listen, I'm not going into HHS. If

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Speaker 4: I'm privileged, would be confirmed with any.

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Speaker 2: So you can't do it to people to impose.

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Speaker 4: Any reconceived ideas that I may have. I'm just wanting

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Speaker 4: to have good science.

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Speaker 22: So you're not saying that they aren't dangerous, which means

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 22: that they could be dangerous.

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Speaker 12: Let me ask you this, that's true.

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Speaker 22: You've described Americans who take mental health medications as addicts

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Speaker 22: who need to be sent to wellness farms to recover.

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 12: Is that what you believe?

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Speaker 4: Of course, I didn't say that anybody should be compelled

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Speaker 4: to do anything, but.

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Speaker 12: She said they should be sent, they.

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Speaker 2: Should be available to them. I didn't say they should

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Speaker 2: be sent.

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Speaker 22: You said that taking the scream and the depressants are

1133
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 22: like addicts that I can provide that.

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I should have the availability.

1135
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 4: Listen, I know people, including members of my family, who've

1136
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 4: had much worse time getting off of s SR eyes

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01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 4: than they did than people have getting off heroin.

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01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: It's with all, period, is I mean? And it's on

1139
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: the label.

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Speaker 22: I have some experience. Well document myself, mister Kennedy. I

1141
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 22: this is personal for me. When I was a young

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01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 22: woman and I was struggling with depression, Thankfully I had

1143
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 22: the resources to help me get through it, including a

1144
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 22: new generation of SSRI uptake inhibitors which help to clear

1145
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 22: my mind get me back on track to being a

1146
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 22: mom and a wife and a productive, happy person and

1147
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Speaker 22: I'm really.

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01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 12: Grateful for that therapy.

1149
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 22: So I have some experience with this, and I think

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01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 22: that everyone should have access to that care. And your

1151
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 22: job as secretary is to expand access to care, not

1152
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 22: to spread lies and misinformation. And you know, the things

1153
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 22: that you say, mister Kennedy, they live on they have impact.

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01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 22: And you know, we're having this conversation at the same

1155
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 22: moment that my Republican colleagues are looking to try to

1156
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 22: figure out how to save money anyway they can, so

1157
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 22: they want to cut Medicaid.

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Speaker 12: Let's just think about this.

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Speaker 22: For a minute, because you're going to be should you

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01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 22: be confirmed, you would be responsible for CMS, which provides

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01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,479
Speaker 22: mental and behavioral health care to millions of Americans, close

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 22: to forty percent to focus on Medicaid a behavioral health condition,

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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 22: and you would be part of this administration that would

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01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 22: be looking to cut Medicaid. So, mister Kennedy, these statements

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 22: that you've made linking antidepressants to school shootings, they reinforce

1166
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 22: the stigma that people who experience mental health every day

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01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 22: face every single day. And I'm very concerned that this

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 22: is another example of your record of sharing false and

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 22: misleading information that actually really hurts people.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for characterizing my statements.

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Speaker 12: I am only putting into the record what you have said.

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Speaker 2: You're mischaracterizing my statements.

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Speaker 4: And I'm happy that you had a good experience on SSRIs.

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Speaker 4: Many Americans have a very good experience on others.

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Speaker 12: Be an issue between them and their physicians, and not

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 12: from that exactly, your head of HHS to.

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Speaker 22: Be just putting out misinformation about the dangers of SSRIs

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 22: and other anti pression medication, spreading the stigma and the

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 22: fear that we're actually trying to overcome.

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Speaker 4: Do you think physicians when they make that prescription ought

1181
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 4: of access to good science.

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01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 12: Of course they do.

1183
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 2: And that's all I believe too. And you and I

1184
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: are an agreement, Senator.

1185
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Speaker 22: And to your point that you made when you made

1186
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 22: these statements, it was not based on good science.

1187
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 12: I don't know what it was.

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01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 4: I was saying, the science needed to be done. I

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 4: was saying, these are potential culprits where co chairman is

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 4: and I named other things. I said video games, I

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01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 4: said social media. I said Ssriyes, SSRIs have a black

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01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 4: box warning warning of suicidal Mister Chair.

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01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 22: Mister Chair, I will submit to the chair the information

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 22: that I have about what mister Kennedy has said linking

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01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 22: and a depressants to school shootings.

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01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 23: Thank you, Senator Young, Thank you, mister Chairman. Good to

1197
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 23: see a mister Kennedy to follow up on that spirited exchange.

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Speaker 23: In talking with you and reading about your vision for

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Speaker 23: the department, you said one of your goals is to

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 23: return public health agencies to the gold standard of scientific review.

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 23: You've alluded to the gold standard a number of times today,

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 23: so I'm going to give you an opportunity, uninterrupted but

1203
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 23: hopefully not too extensive, to tell me and others what

1204
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 23: you mean by this gold standard.

1205
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: The gold standard.

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 4: Means real scientific research with replication of studies, which very

1207
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 4: rarely happens out NIA. We should be giving at least

1208
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 4: twenty percent of the NIH budgets to replication. We should

1209
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: have to make sure that all the science is published

1210
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 4: with the raw data. We should make sure that the

1211
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 4: peer reviews are also published.

1212
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 2: We and you know, and I'll give you a quick example.

1213
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 4: Twenty years ago, NIA Science has did a study on

1214
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 4: ameloi on Alzheimer's which they said it was caused by

1215
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 4: emyloid black. After that, andiage shut down studies of any

1216
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 4: other hypothesis. Twenty years later, we now know that those

1217
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 4: studies were fraudulent, and i AGE has funded eight hundred

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01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 4: studies on a fraudulent hypothesis, and we've lauged twenty years

1219
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 4: in figuring out how to cure for Alzheimer's. And that's

1220
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 4: just one example. I could give you hundreds. We need

1221
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 4: to end that. We need to end the old boys system.

1222
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 4: We need to have replicatable science and be completely transparent

1223
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 4: about broad.

1224
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 9: Data, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 23: In recent years, particularly during the COVID pandemic, there's been

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01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 23: a lot of skepticism about our public health institutions. Some

1227
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 23: of this I would say is warranted, but it's now

1228
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 23: created a pervasive lack of trust from the public that

1229
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 23: these institutions are acting in bad faith or failing to

1230
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 23: act in objective with objective criteria, feeling, in short, to

1231
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 23: act in the best interests of the public. If confirm,

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 23: mister Kenny, how will you work to regain the public's trust?

1233
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 23: I suspect it will take some time. In these important

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01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 23: public health institutions.

1235
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Speaker 4: I'm going to be through radical transparency. I'm going to

1236
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 4: make these The reason people don't trust the public health

1237
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 4: agencies is because they haven't been trustworthy. And you the

1238
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 4: example of COVID. At the beginning of COVID, everybody who

1239
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 4: was rushing to get that vaccine, we had an over

1240
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: a ninety percent vaccination uptake.

1241
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: Yes, sir.

1242
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:40,440
Speaker 4: CDC's most recent recommendation is that Americans take the ACE.

1243
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: Booster.

1244
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: Only twenty three percent of Americans are complying them. In

1245
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 4: seventy Americans no longer trust CDC and that is the problem.

1246
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 23: Yes, sir, in the absence of full information to I

1247
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 23: think with you, but I want your response. Might it

1248
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 23: make sense to share that absence of full information with

1249
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 23: the American people?

1250
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 9: That uncertainty.

1251
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 23: I think one of the things by observation experience that

1252
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 23: I saw during the pandemic, because we had certain prominent

1253
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,440
Speaker 23: doctors up here on television and indicate, no, you absolutely

1254
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 23: must not wear a mask. Two weeks later it's yes,

1255
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 23: you must wear a mask. But they were certain, and

1256
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 23: they even demonize people for not following the latest science.

1257
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 23: Knowing there's a high level of uncertainty in that science

1258
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 23: would a measure of humility, and as you say, radical

1259
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 23: transparency demonstrates humility help rebuild trust over a period of years.

1260
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we need to tell Americans, well, we don't know.

1261
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 4: We need to make sure studies that reach a null

1262
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: hypothesis are also published and that doesn't happen.

1263
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 23: Sir, I think you are right about why healthcare costs

1264
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 23: are so high in the first place. The answer is,

1265
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 23: indeed chronic disease. Ninety percent of our healthcare spinning goes

1266
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 23: towards managing it. As you say in your open statement,

1267
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 23: it's not in the main because of waste, fraud and abuse,

1268
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 23: although we know some exist. It's not in the main

1269
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 23: because we have greedy executives at innovative, world class companies.

1270
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 23: It's not in the main because we haven't yet adopted

1271
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 23: and unsustainable Medicare for All scheme.

1272
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 3: It's because of this.

1273
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 23: So I'm encouraged that you intend to make that a

1274
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 23: point of emphasis as it pertains to your future leadership.

1275
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 23: I will say, with respect to COVID, it's not over.

1276
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 23: For a lot of Americans, it's not over. I know

1277
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 23: the Mission Accomplished banner was convenient for the last administration,

1278
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 23: but as we continue to navigate the ongoing impacts of

1279
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 23: the COVID pandemic demic, we have many individuals here in

1280
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 23: the United States and around the world who are suffering

1281
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 23: from long term health effects that significantly impact their quality

1282
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 23: of life, work, and daily activities, and they've been largely ignored.

1283
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 23: Funding for long COVID research was appropriated by Congress in

1284
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 23: December of twenty twenty, followed by additional funding directed by

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 23: the Biden administration in February twenty twenty four. Patient groups

1286
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 23: and industry publications have criticized the slow pace of clinical

1287
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 23: trial design and enrollment. If confirmed, will you collaborate with

1288
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 23: healthcare providers, researchers, and effective communities to better understand and

1289
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 23: mitigate long COVID's impact.

1290
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: Yes or no?

1291
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 4: Police, Absolutely so, there's sixteen million Americans.

1292
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 23: Will you commit to prioritizing long COVID research and integrate

1293
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 23: this work in a broader healthcare policies?

1294
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 9: Yes or no?

1295
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 23: Police, Yes, Patient groups, experts in industry publications of race

1296
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 23: concerns around existing long COVID funding being spent on observational research.

1297
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 23: In particular, criticism was directed towards recover funding being used

1298
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 23: to duplicate existing findings instead of funding trials for potential

1299
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 23: treatments or diagnostics. If confirmed, mister Kennedy, will you work

1300
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 23: with Congress so that going forward, long COVID funding will

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01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 23: be directed primarily towards trial or novel research directions and

1302
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 23: not replicating existing observational research.

1303
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 4: Yes or no, absolutely, sator with enthusiasm.

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 23: Thank you so much. If confirmed, How will you create

1305
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 23: a balance between your personal priorities of chronic disease and

1306
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 23: healthy lifestyle and the ongoing critical work of the department

1307
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 23: in areas that are focused on incentivizing and advancing innovation

1308
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,480
Speaker 23: in modern medicine and pharmaceutical discovery.

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 4: I think innovation is going to be the key to

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01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 4: public health, and we have a unique opportunity now in

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 4: history because of AI, because of telemedicine, and because of

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01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,480
Speaker 4: the quality of people that are now coming to HHS

1313
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 4: to actually save public health. But it's all going to

1314
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: rely on innovation, and I don't want to do anything

1315
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 4: that inhibits or impairs the pace of innovation.

1316
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 3: That's encouraging.

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01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 23: From approving AI algorithms to determining Medicare coverage. We need,

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01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 23: we certainly need more innovation, and we need good people

1319
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 23: in the department to assist.

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01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 9: With that effort.

1321
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 23: So I'll follow up with a question about how you're

1322
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 23: going to attract or retain good people.

1323
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 9: Thank you Chairman.

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 5: Sorry to shut you down a little faster than I

1325
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 5: did the other senator. We are up against a vote

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Speaker 5: deadline here and we have one more senator who gets

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Speaker 5: his full time. I hope you'll keep it as close

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 5: to five minutes as you can. Senator Well, well, two men,

1329
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 5: I have promised Senator widen, but five more minutes.

1330
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 14: Divided one minute with my colleague.

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01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 5: And then if we can do that, we can get

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01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,879
Speaker 5: over to vote before they call the vote on the floor.

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 24: Thank you very much, Thank you, mister Kennedy. And as

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Speaker 24: you know, I'm a big have great reverence or your

1335
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 24: family from Massachusetts. When I got out of college, I

1336
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 24: was in the first class of Robert Kennedy Fellows, the

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 24: memorial created by your family to honor the service to

1338
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 24: your father at the community organizing in the West Side

1339
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 24: of Chicago. And I certainly admire your energy in your

1340
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 24: effort here and desire to serve. You know, there's a

1341
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 24: couple of things that are really important here. This is

1342
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 24: not just about a debate on vaccines. It's a debate

1343
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 24: about the qualifications, experience, and priorities as to the person

1344
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 24: that will head health and Human services and it's not

1345
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 24: just about what your answers are today or what the

1346
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 24: questions are. It obviously has a lot to do with

1347
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 24: your whole record, in your whole history. You know, your

1348
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 24: sister in her letter, or pardon me, your cousin in

1349
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 24: her letter, said, you've always been charismatic, able to attract

1350
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 24: others through the strength of your personality, willingness to take

1351
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 24: risk and break rules. That's I guess an attribute, but

1352
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 24: it can be a danger. The question I fundamentally have

1353
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 24: is whether your willingness to disrupt and maybe break rules

1354
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 24: is going to be dangerous and destructive. The character questions

1355
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 24: we didn't go into here, but there's some sketchy things.

1356
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 24: You've acknowledged your history with Heroin, you've gotten over that,

1357
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 24: but there's incidents that do I think concern the question

1358
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 24: of whether the stability is there to be in charge

1359
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 24: of this major organization. And that's compounded by my concern

1360
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 24: that you don't have any experience managing a large organization,

1361
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 24: that you don't have any experience in government. So those

1362
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 24: are things that have to be taken into account. But

1363
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 24: the issue for me is also prioriti So a lot

1364
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 24: of your engagement in health has been on vaccines, big

1365
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 24: important issue. You actually disagreed, as I understand it, with

1366
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 24: President Trump about Operation Warp Speed. I think President Trump

1367
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 24: deserves a lot of credit for Operation Warp Speed. He

1368
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 24: knew we had to get a vaccine. And these other

1369
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 24: issues about a mask and whether you should wear it,

1370
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 24: whether when you got your groceries the bag had to

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01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 24: be left outside.

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 8: Remember that in the.

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Speaker 24: Very beginning, those are incidental to the core question that

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01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 24: the President believed we had to have a vaccine, and

1375
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 24: you contested that that worries me, That really deeply worries me.

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01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 24: The other questions, Senator Cassidy asked you some questions about

1377
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 24: our healthcare system. I happen to believe that our healthcare

1378
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 24: system is profoundly broken. And it's not just about the

1379
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 24: chronic illness. That's about our diet, that's about our exercise.

1380
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 24: But we are getting premium increases in Vermont of twenty

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01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 24: percent a year, twenty five percent a year, and it's

1382
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 24: bussed in the bank for taxpayers, it's busted in the

1383
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 24: bank for our wonderful Vermat employers who care about having

1384
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 24: health insurances they can apply provide to their employees.

1385
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 2: Senator Cassidy asked you a.

1386
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 24: Couple of questions about how you would reform medicated and

1387
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 24: I didn't hear an answer. You mentioned that you thought

1388
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 24: Medicare advantage was good.

1389
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: You have a good plan.

1390
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 24: No focus on what an incredible ripoff was reported in

1391
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 24: the Wall Street Journal by United Healthcare, which was marketing

1392
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 24: Medicare advantage and then paying doctors and nurses where they

1393
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 24: had assignments essentially to over diagnose illnesses that didn't exist.

1394
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 24: So they made one hundred they made billions in billion

1395
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 24: millions of dollars. And I've seen nothing coming out of

1396
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 24: the Trump administration, and I've seen nothing coming out of

1397
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 24: your advocacy that is going after what is a rampant

1398
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 24: abuse by the insurance companies and overcharging people in not

1399
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 24: doing the job. And by the way, the United Healthcare

1400
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 24: people when they did.

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01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 2: That, they over diagnosed.

1402
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 6: When the person really got sick.

1403
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 9: They dumped them.

1404
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 24: They dumped them, go to the nursing home on your own.

1405
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 24: That's a broken healthcare system. We spend the most and

1406
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 24: get the least. And I think there should be collective

1407
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 24: anger about this on both sides because all of our

1408
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 24: people are dependent on that healthcare system, and you're going

1409
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 24: to be working for a president who's on a lawless

1410
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 24: rampage right now. Okay, he has done something reckless with

1411
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 24: the pardons to these cop beaters. I'm appalled by that,

1412
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 24: but that's just reckless. That's not illegal. He's impounded money.

1413
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 24: So right now, the Medicaid website went down. He's impounded money.

1414
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 24: So the community health centers that Senator Warner was talking

1415
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 24: about are up in the air. So what they can do.

1416
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 24: Do you believe that a president can impound money that

1417
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 24: has been appropriated by Congress?

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01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 4: Senator I let me answer the question about Medicare for ours.

1419
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 4: I have never defended that program or the rapacious behavior

1420
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 4: by insurance companies or the PBMs. I understand that's a

1421
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 4: huge problem. And all right, and I don't have time.

1422
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 6: I've got to get over to vote so we can.

1423
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 2: But you've asked me five questions. You got I'll give

1424
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: me a chance to answer one of them.

1425
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 6: Please be brief.

1426
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've a point I brought in if I get confirmed,

1427
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 4: I've where the appointed a general counsel the first time

1428
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 4: in history is a former prosecutor who prosecuted the biggest

1429
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 4: Medicare fraud, the case in the State of West Virginia.

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01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: I brought in a.

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01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 4: Prosecutor for that job instead of a bureaucrat, precisely, which

1432
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 4: has the important issues that you raise here. The only

1433
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 4: reason I didn't talk about these before is because I wasn't.

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01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: Asked about them. What about it? I agree with you

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01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

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01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 24: What about impounding a president impounding money that, among other things,

1437
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 24: goes to hell?

1438
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: And you're saying that that's illegal, that's correct. Well, my

1439
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 4: job is to uphold the constitution. I'm going to take

1440
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 4: an oath to uphold the Constitution, and I will administer

1441
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 4: the law and uphold the constitution.

1442
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ms Chairman.

1443
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 14: I believe under what we've discussed, I control five minutes.

1444
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 14: I'm going to take one, give one to each of

1445
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 14: my four colleagues that remain all.

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01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 5: Right, and I would just say we really this vote.

1447
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 5: They're going to call it in about eight minutes, thank you.

1448
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 5: So we have very little time.

1449
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 14: Two hours ago, colleagues, I asked mister Kennedy to reconcile

1450
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 14: his many anti vaccine statements with his handful of pro

1451
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 14: vaccine statements. Instead, he gave us a word salad and

1452
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 14: ducks the issue. The same was true, mister Kennedy with

1453
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 14: respect to measles, where you wrote a book playing down

1454
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 14: the threat you know measles, even though American families are

1455
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 14: very concerned about it, and apparently families are still mourning

1456
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 14: in Samoa. And my last point would be that mister

1457
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 14: Kennedy said today really wasn't about him, and I just

1458
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 14: want to tell him it is all about you, because

1459
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 14: I find your presentation to be both to be both

1460
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 14: untrustworthy and unprepared. Because my colleagues has been seeing back

1461
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 14: and forth between Medicare and Medicaid and it's not clear

1462
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 14: which program you're using win. So I want colleagues to

1463
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 14: know there is a lot more information to learn about

1464
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 14: mister Kennedy before we vote. I'm going to urge that

1465
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 14: to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to

1466
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 14: not make decisions on the basis of this session. I

1467
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 14: thank you for the additional time, and I guess my

1468
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 14: next minute at center White House, Sir Warren and Center Smith,

1469
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 14: and again.

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Speaker 25: Please, there's been a lot of conversation about long late

1471
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 25: term abortions here and I just want to make clear

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 25: what Rhode Island OBGYN doctors describe as what is almost

1473
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,839
Speaker 25: always happening when a late term abortion is needed.

1474
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: It is a childbirth gone wrong.

1475
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 25: The family has painted the room, it has bought the crib,

1476
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 25: maybe even decided on the baby's name, and has gone

1477
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 25: to the hospital to welcome the new baby into their

1478
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 25: family and what is supposed to be a happy event.

1479
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 2: Then things went wrong.

1480
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 25: Then the alarm started pinging, the lights started flashing, the

1481
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 25: medical professionals started rushing in, and the question became who

1482
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 25: lives and who dies. The mom's life is often at risk,

1483
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 25: and she may have other children she needs to care for.

1484
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 25: The baby's life may be at risk, and one or

1485
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 25: both may die. In that environment, the doctors and the family.

1486
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 9: Own that decision.

1487
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:47,879
Speaker 25: Government has no place in that room at that point.

1488
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 25: And I think we need to understand when this late

1489
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 25: term abortion gets bandied about, what you're dealing with as

1490
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 25: a tragedy that is happening to a family who wanted

1491
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 25: that child and have suddenly been confronted with a moment

1492
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 25: in which they have to make what is probably going

1493
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 25: to be the worst decision of their lives. And to

1494
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 25: try to shove the state legislature into that room is

1495
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 25: really offensive, really morally wrong, and I just want to

1496
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 25: make very clear what Rhode Island obguy Ns tell me

1497
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 25: is the situation when these procedures have to be deployed.

1498
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 6: Senator Warren, thank you, mister Chairman.

1499
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: S Mister Kennedy, I wanted to ask about your role

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01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen measles outbreak in Samoa. In July

1501
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, two children died immediately after receiving a measles

1502
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: vaccine that nurses had mistakenly mixed with a muscle relax,

1503
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 1: and the nurses get charged with manslaughter. But vaccination rates

1504
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: go down. I asked you about this in my office.

1505
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: You told me flatly that your visit to Samoa had

1506
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: nothing to do with vaccinations. We now know that's not true.

1507
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: I have the documentation. You met with the Prime Minister,

1508
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: You talked about vaccinations. You met with an anti vaccine

1509
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: influencer who described the meeting as quote profoundly monumental for

1510
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: this movement. So what happens. Vaccinations go down, there's a

1511
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: measles outbreak and children start dying, but you double down.

1512
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: You didn't give up.

1513
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 3: Just four days.

1514
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: After the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency, sixteen

1515
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,440
Speaker 1: people already did you sent a letter to him promoting

1516
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,440
Speaker 1: the idea that the children had died not from measles

1517
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: but from quote defective vaccine. You launched the idea that

1518
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: a measles vaccine caused these deaths. You are a very

1519
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: influential man. In fact, you are called the leader of

1520
01:27:53,600 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: the disinformation dozen multiple uniseeth and HO the World Health

1521
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: Organization investigated this.

1522
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 12: They say the.

1523
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: Claims are false. It is not biologically possible what you claimed,

1524
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: and yet ultimately more than seventy people died because they

1525
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: didn't get vaccines. So my question is, do you accept

1526
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: even a sentillity, even a sliver of responsibility for the

1527
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: drop in vaccinations and the subsequent deaths of more than

1528
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: seventy people. Anything you do differently.

1529
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.

1530
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 4: After there were two incidents which children died in twenty

1531
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 4: fifteen and again in eight twenty fifteen, it was from

1532
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 4: the means vaccine, as with the New Zealand General Hospital,

1533
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 4: I found the government of Samoa banned the MEANSS vaccine

1534
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 4: after the twenty eighteen I arrived in July of the

1535
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 4: next year after the band for a year.

1536
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: Understanding that you wanted to hold this to a minute

1537
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: and then I don't get to present all the facts

1538
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: and documentation I've got. How about if we just decide

1539
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: to make entries for the record. Want exactly what the

1540
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: record shows about mister Kennedy's participation. And I think he's

1541
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Speaker 1: answered the yes or no question. He takes no.

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Speaker 6: Res Senator Warren, we will do that.

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Speaker 5: And mister Kennedy, and to all the senators, every senator

1544
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 5: knows that following this hearing, they will be able to

1545
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 5: ask you questions off the record, and you will be

1546
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 5: able to put answers back onto the record.

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Speaker 6: So please give that answer.

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01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 5: I apologize that we're shutting you off for giving a

1549
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 5: full response right now, Senator Smith, and we are way over.

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Speaker 12: Time, Thank you, mister Chair.

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01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 22: So, mister Kennedy, you have said that you want to

1552
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 22: give infectious diseases a break for about eight years. You

1553
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 22: spoke about this with Senator Cantwell. My question to you

1554
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 22: has to do with av and flu over one hundred

1555
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 22: million birds called The disease has spread to Derek Cowes

1556
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 22: and there are now sixty seven confirmed human cases and

1557
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 22: one death. So, mister Kennedy, do you intend to give

1558
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 22: research on bird flu a break?

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01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 4: I intend to develope the appropriate resoor. Is this the

1561
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 4: preventing pandemics? That's a es central part of my job.

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01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 12: What do you think is causing the avian influenza?

1563
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 2: I think H five and one virus is.

1564
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 22: So that's good to hear because in a recent book.

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01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 22: I will submit this for the record because we don't

1566
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 22: have that much time. Mister Kennedy has questioned the scientific

1567
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 22: basis for germs causing disease and the power of vaccines

1568
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 22: and antibiotics.

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01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 12: Senator Well, I will submit.

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Speaker 9: That for the record.

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01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 6: Thank you, Senator Warnick.

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Speaker 2: One minute.

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Speaker 21: I like the way you said that to the Baptist preacher.

1574
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Speaker 21: Thank you so much, mister Kennedy. Based on our conversations,

1575
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 21: it's my understanding that you support work requirements and Medicaid

1576
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 21: and twenty twenty Trump, President Trump approved a proposal from

1577
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 21: Georgia state leaders requiring Georgians to jump through a number

1578
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 21: of honorous bureaucratic hoops and fill out even more paper

1579
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 21: work to verify work and get access to healthcare. Astis

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01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,480
Speaker 21: as someone who represents a state that has not expanded Medicaid.

1581
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Speaker 21: Federal government because of this waiver, spent seventy million dollars

1582
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Speaker 21: on Georgia's Medicaid waiver, eighty two percent of that went

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Speaker 21: to administrative costs.

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Speaker 2: The point that I'm making is.

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Speaker 21: That the folks that there insisting need to work, nine

1586
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Speaker 21: of those folks are working, They are caregivers, or they

1587
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Speaker 21: have a disability. Let me give you one example, a

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01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 21: woman I think of all the time.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Heather.

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Speaker 21: She's a traveling nurse from Dalton, Georgia, who falls into

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Speaker 21: the Medicaid coverage gap. Heather experienced a series of small strokes,

1592
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Speaker 21: leaving her unable to work full time. She's dedicated her

1593
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 21: life to caring for patients, but now she can't afford

1594
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Speaker 21: her own medical care out of pocket costs because she

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Speaker 21: doesn't make enough to qualify for tax credits to buy

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Speaker 21: private insurance.

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Speaker 6: What does Heather need?

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01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 21: She need work requirements or does she need access to

1599
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Speaker 21: healthcare so she can finally get healthy and get back

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Speaker 21: to work.

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Speaker 4: The individual that you described would need healthcare and not

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Speaker 4: a work requirement.

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Speaker 5: Thank thank you, thank you, thank you, and we are

1604
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 5: done with the questioning now. Mister Kennedy, I apologize to you,

1605
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 5: to the audience, and to all of my colleagues to

1606
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 5: have to rush it here at the end, but we

1607
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 5: have a vote on the Senate floor that they're going

1608
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 5: to close in about three minutes. I want to thank

1609
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Speaker 5: you for appearing before this committee. You have been accessible

1610
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Speaker 5: to the members and staff on both sides of the

1611
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Speaker 5: aisle of a Finance committee throughout a rigorous process, and

1612
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 5: I want the whole world to know that you spent

1613
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Speaker 5: hours in meetings, answering questions outside of this hearing, and

1614
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Speaker 5: providing documents and responses on issue after issue after issue.

1615
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Speaker 5: You've gone through the most thorough vetting process that any

1616
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 5: committee in this Congress to anybody through and I think

1617
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,440
Speaker 5: that you have come through well and deserved to be confirmed.

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Speaker 5: I would like to remind my CALLI colleagues that the

1619
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 5: deadline for submitting any questions for the record is five

1620
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 5: pm today five pm today, and mister Kennedy, we asked

1621
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Speaker 5: that you respond to those questions as quickly as you

1622
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Speaker 5: possibly can. With that, I'm going to leave you in

1623
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 5: this room and run over to vote. This hearing will

1624
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Speaker 5: be adjourned. I still encourage the audience to be polite

1625
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 5: and respectful no matter what side of the issues you

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Speaker 5: may be on, and mister Kennedy, I look forward to

1627
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Speaker 5: working with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Chairman for Journal.

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01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 16: So you've been watching the confirmation hearing for Robert F.

1630
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 16: Kennedy Junior before the Senate Judiciary Committee. He will be

1631
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 16: back on Capitol Hill tomorrow test to find for a

1632
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 16: second time.

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Speaker 3: This obviously was.

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Speaker 16: An hour's long confirmation here hearing up next. Many of

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Speaker 16: the lawmakers are going to be leaving that hearing and

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Speaker 16: going to vote on a vote for Lee Zelden, who

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01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 16: of course is President Trump's nominee for EPA administrator. That

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Speaker 16: is already underway and those members of the Senny Judiciary

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Speaker 16: Committee are now heading to vote on that. We'll of

1640
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 16: course continue to cover this for you throughout the day

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Speaker 16: here on Real America's Voice. Now, though, let's get you

1642
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Speaker 16: back to the Charlie Kirk Show, which is already in progress.

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Speaker 18: They've been wonderful supporters of this program, that is Patriotmobile

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Speaker 18: dot com slash Charlie. Bobby Kennedy continues in front of

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Speaker 18: the Senate. It's going to be quite interesting to see

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Speaker 18: how publican senators end up voting on it for him

1654
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 18: or with him. Let's continue in some of the tape

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Speaker 18: here from Bobby Kennedy's hearing. Let's go to Cat one

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01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 18: thirty nine.

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Speaker 14: All of these things cannot be true. So are you

1658
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 14: lying to Congress today when you say you are a

1659
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 14: pro vaccine or did you lie on all those podcasts?

1660
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 4: As you know, because it's been repeatedly debunked, that statement

1661
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 4: that I made on the Lex Friedman podcast was a

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01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 4: fragment of this statement. I said there are no vaccines

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01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 4: that are saving effective, and I was going to continue

1664
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 4: for every person, every medicine has people who are sensitive

1665
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 4: to them, including vaccines, right, so.

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Speaker 2: He interrupted me at that point. I've corrected it many.

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01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 4: Times, including on National TV. You know about this, Senator Widen,

1668
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 4: so bring this up right now.

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01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 2: Is dishonest.

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01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:58,679
Speaker 3: Senator Widen is one of the worst.

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Speaker 18: He is a perfect example of a pharma shill, and

1672
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 18: to be perfectly honest, he's also putting words into Bobby's mouth.

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01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 18: Bobby has never said he's pro vaccine. He's just said

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01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 18: he's not anti vaccine, and he is in favor of,

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01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 18: of course some vaccines.

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01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 3: But it's actually not the core issue.

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Speaker 18: The core issue is he wants to make vaccines better

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01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 18: and safer and more effective. Blake is going to correct

1679
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 18: me here, but isn't the old Voltaire quote? To find

1680
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,520
Speaker 18: out who's in charge, find out who you can't criticize,

1681
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 18: to find out who controls you, find out what you

1682
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 18: can't criticize. Is that Voltaire? Or is that wrongly attributed

1683
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 18: to him? I bet it's wrongly attributed to him. That

1684
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 18: is a perfect example. Oh, it was by a neo Nazi,

1685
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 18: falsely attributed Voltaire. Thanks Blake, always uplifting. That's an uplifting

1686
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 18: fact check. I disavow it's still a good line, but

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Speaker 18: I disavow obviously the neo Nazi. But you can't criticize vaccines,

1688
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 18: And again I'm not that interested in the topic except

1689
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 18: for the fact that why is it that it's the

1690
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 18: one thing that you require everybody in the population to have?

1691
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 18: And obviously there are side effects for some people, not

1692
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 18: for all people, not even for a lot of people,

1693
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 18: but a small amount of people. Why is it that

1694
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 18: we can't ask questions about making them safer? And the media,

1695
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 18: this is so dishonest. Do we know what outlet this is?

1696
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Speaker 18: By the way, did we find out? Let's play cut

1697
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 18: one thirty two up there. This is in the room

1698
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 18: where they are writing the articles about and against Bobby Kennedy,

1699
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 18: where the journalists already have their headlines written. They have

1700
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 18: the headlines written against Bobby Kennedy before he even uttered

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01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 18: a line.

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01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:52,799
Speaker 3: This is what they wrote.

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01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 18: RFK Junior faces grilling on anti vaccine comments and animal

1704
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 18: mutilation at confirmation Here daring Trump live updates. This is

1705
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 18: before anything happened, before anybody said anything. They have their

1706
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 18: headlines already written. We've always suspected this is the case,

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Speaker 18: but we've actually never seen the smoking gun where journalists

1708
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 18: just write the headline first and then they fill in

1709
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 18: the rest. Bobby Kennedy is pro truth. Wherever the truth

1710
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 18: will lead him is where he will go. If vaccines

1711
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 18: are super safe, then why does big farm and need

1712
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 18: liability protection from the government. You're not even allowed to

1713
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 18: ask these very simple questions. Bobby Kennedy is trying to

1714
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 18: bring a wrecking ball to the Health and Human service.

1715
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 18: If be one thing, if everyone was super fit in

1716
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 18: our country, it's one thing. If everybody was happy, full

1717
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 18: of joy. No, but we are a diseased country. We

1718
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Speaker 18: are the sickest we have ever been in our country's history.

1719
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 18: We're the fattest, we're the sloppiest. And Bobby Kennedy wants

1720
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 18: to go about fixing that. And one of the things

1721
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 18: that I really appreciate about Bobby Kennedy, it's a very

1722
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 18: empowering message.

1723
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Speaker 3: He fundamentally believes.

1724
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 18: That every single person has it within your own free

1725
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 18: will and your capacity and your agency to be healthier,

1726
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 18: that you have the capacity to lose weight, to eat better.

1727
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 18: And what is wrong about trying to search for the truth.

1728
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 18: It is their bowten in the clearest possible way. It

1729
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 18: is forbidden across the board. And during COVID, did we

1730
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 18: not learn how corrupt and effeckless our public health authorities are?

1731
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Speaker 18: And Bobby Kennedy is a response to that. COVID was

1732
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 18: a massive wake up call and let's not lose the

1733
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 18: lead here. As you're watching Bobby Kennedy get grilled by

1734
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 18: senators right now. That is Bobby Kennedy's son, That is

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Speaker 18: JFK's nephew.

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Speaker 3: I want you to think about that.

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Speaker 18: That is the ruling class of the Democrat Party that

1738
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Speaker 18: is now back to grill the Democrat Party that they

1739
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,440
Speaker 18: no longer care about health.

1740
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Speaker 3: And when have they ever?

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Speaker 18: And by the way, the left always likes to make

1742
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Speaker 18: it seem as if they're the small guy fighting up

1743
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 18: against the system, that they're fighting against the establishment. Bobby

1744
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 18: Kennedy is picking the largest and biggest possible fight, which

1745
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 18: is against entrenched pharmaceutic companies Eli Lilly, Pfiser, Astrazenica, Maderna,

1746
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Speaker 18: Johnson and Johnson, the massive, gargantuan vaccine manufacturers. Hundreds of

1747
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 18: billions of dollars are on the line, and health jeopardizes

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Speaker 18: their profits. The healthier America becomes, the less money they

1749
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Speaker 18: could potentially make. If we no longer have the belief

1750
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 18: system that you need a pill for every ill, then

1751
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Speaker 18: what's going to happen to Pfiser's stock, the old jocos.

1752
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Speaker 18: I've been on antidepressants for twenty years. When are they

1753
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 18: going to start kicking in? At what point do we

1754
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 18: ask the question that maybe this medication that these are

1755
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Speaker 18: unnecessarily feeding us. The vast majority of it is completely unnecessary,

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Speaker 18: where there might be natural, pathic, and alternative means. The

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Speaker 18: CEOs of these big pharma companies have fiduciary responsibilities their

1758
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 18: stockholders to earn profits. Their mission is not to help

1759
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Speaker 18: to make Americans healthy. Their goal is to print and

1760
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 18: make money. So when Bobby Kennedy says make America healthy

1761
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 18: right now at Pfizer, they want you sick and the

1762
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 18: perfectly honest. I have yet to see a free market zealot.

1763
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 18: I would love to be able to grill a libertarian

1764
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 18: or Milton Friedman if he was alive on this topic,

1765
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 18: because it really is a contradiction. If you have companies

1766
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 18: that they actually make more money over time the sicker

1767
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 18: you are, how does that reconcile with free market forces.

1768
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 18: It's a very difficult question. There is not any solution that.

1769
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 18: By the way, there is not an easy solution, because

1770
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 18: the old adage is all, well, you imagine how much

1771
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 18: money people would make if there was a cure to cancer.

1772
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 18: Imagine if there was a way to not heal it,

1773
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 18: but keep you coming back for the next ten years

1774
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Speaker 18: on your cancer well, then you become a nice little

1775
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 18: check for big Pharma for the remainder of your life.

1776
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 18: And this all ties in with the trans executive order.

1777
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 18: Healthy workers and healthy people are a threat to this

1778
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Speaker 18: entire empire. The Democrats are being incredibly combative to Bobby Kennedy,

1779
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 18: remarkably so, because they know what Bobby Kennedy represents. There's

1780
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 18: trillions of dollars of industry that want to stop Bobby Kennedy.

1781
01:43:55,960 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 18: Because God forbid, your four year old stops eating high

1782
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:06,520
Speaker 18: fruit doast corn syrup and doesn't get every single vaccine,

1783
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Speaker 18: every single one, and goes outside a little bit more

1784
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 18: and starts supplementing with vitamin B. No, that is a

1785
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 18: threat to what they want. A sick and diseased population

1786
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 18: is one that is easier to control. A sick and

1787
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 18: diseased population is one that is more malleable, one that

1788
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 18: is in the palm of their hands. A sick and

1789
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 18: diseased population.

1790
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Speaker 3: Is one that makes them infinitely more profitable. When we are.

1791
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Speaker 18: Talking about a restoration of a free society, it takes

1792
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 18: healthy citizens for us to get to that free society,

1793
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 18: to get back to the promise of our founders. We've

1794
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 18: said for a while. Strong alpha men are a threat

1795
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 18: to tyranny, but overweight men with beer bellies are not

1796
01:44:55,720 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 18: a threat to anybody. We know that the TESTA shing

1797
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 18: rates in the West are plummeting. Infertility is a major

1798
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 18: and massive issue. They are not going easy on Bobby

1799
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 18: Kennedy at all. Let's play cut one forty six is

1800
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 18: get a little taste.

1801
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Speaker 26: COVID nineteen was a genetically engineered bio weapon. The targets

1802
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 26: black and white people but spared Ashkenazi, Jews and Chinese people.

1803
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 2: I didn't say it was deliberately targeted.

1804
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 4: I just I just quoted an ni AGE funded, an

1805
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Speaker 4: ni AGE.

1806
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 2: Published study.

1807
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 26: Did you say that it targets black and white people

1808
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 26: but spared.

1809
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 4: I quote a study your I quoted NIH study that

1810
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 4: show I'll take it.

1811
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 6: True.

1812
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 18: It was an NIH study. Man, They are going straight

1813
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 18: into the bottom of the barrel.

1814
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 3: And by the way, COVID.

1815
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 18: Did affect different people differently. That is science. It is

1816
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 18: very very slimy by Senator Bennett, very slimy stuff, but

1817
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 18: that's what we expect from the Democrat Party. Good for you, Bobby,

1818
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Speaker 18: fight back. We have your back one hundred percent. This

1819
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1825
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Speaker 3: You saw it.

1826
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1828
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Speaker 18: or have unfiled returns, do not wait for that IRS

1829
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Speaker 18: ahead of this is a smart move. But never contact

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1842
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1843
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Speaker 3: Be right back.

1844
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 4: Forging and all new Greatest American Generation.

1845
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 3: It's the Charlie Kirk Show. Welcome back, everybody.

1846
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:36,480
Speaker 18: Email us is always Freedom at Charliekirk dot com and subscribe.

1847
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:36,719
Speaker 3: To our podcast.

1848
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 2: I do.

1849
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 18: I would love to have somebody come on the program

1850
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,799
Speaker 18: and tell me the case for if they think America

1851
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 18: is healthy. Forget all the particulars on Bobby Kennedy. I'm

1852
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 18: not going to win you over on that, but do

1853
01:47:51,200 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 18: you really think the state of American public health is

1854
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 18: in a good position? Do you think the state of

1855
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 18: American public health.

1856
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 3: Is strong?

1857
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:11,640
Speaker 18: We are one of the fattest countries. Blake can get it.

1858
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 18: And I wrote about this in the book, and Blake

1859
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 18: helped me with the research and helped me put all

1860
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 18: the thoughts together. We're one of the fattest countries in

1861
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 18: the world. That alone should be a wake up call.

1862
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 18: And the answer is not Nova North's Ozenbic. The answer

1863
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 18: is diet movement, Lifestyle Choice Agency. We want to make

1864
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 18: America lean again. We have a forty one percent obesity

1865
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 18: rate in this country and I know a lot of

1866
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 18: you in the audience say, oh, it's not my fault.

1867
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 18: I'm not getting into that. The point is, let's fix

1868
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 18: it together. Let's fix it together.

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01:48:58,479 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.

1870
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 18: Email, Lets free toom I at Charliekirk dot com, subscribe

1871
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 18: to our podcast. Bobby Kennedy continues in his testimony. Here,

1872
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 18: let's play cut one forty eight.

1873
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure that President Trump.

1874
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 4: Has personally spoken to me about locating those three hundred

1875
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 4: thousand children who disappeared over the last four years. I

1876
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 4: don't think anybody has an that fully accurate number, but

1877
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 4: it's hundreds of thousands, I agree, and many of them

1878
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 4: we know have been sex traffic and childhood slavery, and

1879
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 4: we it is a blight on America's moral authority, and

1880
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 4: we need to find those kids.

1881
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 18: We need a healthy youth for our military. We need

1882
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 18: healthy youth for our country, the vitality of our nation.

1883
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 18: We are in a circumstance right now. We're the major

1884
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 18: ad companies, the major pharmaceutic companies want you a weight.

1885
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 18: I'm not going to get into this topic. It's too controversial.

1886
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 18: Is obesity a choice or not? I think lifestyle plays

1887
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 18: a big role into it, I really do. But I

1888
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 18: also believe that people are being actively poisoned. It goes

1889
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 18: back to a theme that we say many times on

1890
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 18: this program, which is qui bono. It is the Latin

1891
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:29,839
Speaker 18: phrase ki bono? Who benefits? Who benefits? If Bobby Kennedy

1892
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 18: is defeated and people remain fat and sloppy, unhealthy? Koi bona?

1893
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 18: Who benefits if Bobby Kennedy wins. I could tell you

1894
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 18: if Bobby Kennedy wins and becomes secretary, which we're going

1895
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 18: to make sure happens. Kids win, moms win, families win,

1896
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 18: who benefits? If Bobby Kennedy is derailed, There'll be more

1897
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:53,679
Speaker 18: unnecessary vaccines pushed on kids, like the hepatitis B vaccine

1898
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 18: at birth. Again, I'm not going to weigh in on

1899
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 18: all the vaccines, but come on, some of the stuff

1900
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 18: on the schedule should not be there. The children should

1901
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 18: not get the COVID vaccine. I think that's insane to

1902
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 18: give a eighteen month old the COVID vaccine. Sorry, I'm

1903
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 18: gonna speak out against that one. That one's insane to me.

1904
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 18: It's insane babies get into COVID vaccine.

1905
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about Poli.

1906
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 18: I'm not talking about measle unksbel I'm talking about t APP,

1907
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 18: not COVID vaccine. Bobby Kennedy throws down the gauntlet on

1908
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,799
Speaker 18: the Democrats. Let's play call it one forty.

1909
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 4: Nine Americans don't buy a large, don't do not like

1910
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 4: the Affordable Care Act.

1911
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 2: People are on it.

1912
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 4: They don't like Medicaid, they like Medicare, and they like

1913
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 4: private insurance.

1914
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Speaker 2: We need to listen to.

1915
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,959
Speaker 4: What people they would prefer to be on private insurance.

1916
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 4: Post Americans, if they can afford to be, will be

1917
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:50,719
Speaker 4: on private insurance. We need to figure out ways to

1918
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 4: improve care, particularly for elderly, from veterans, for the poor

1919
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 4: in this country, and Medicaid.

1920
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Speaker 2: The current model is not doing.

1921
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 18: We need a full disruption of healthcare because we need

1922
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 18: health care, not sick care, more personalized individual treatment.

1923
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,520
Speaker 3: If somebody's experiencing issues.

1924
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 18: Typically it's because of metabolic dysfunction that happened decades prior.

1925
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 18: We need to get to root causes and uproot the

1926
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:29,600
Speaker 18: entire food pyramid. We want Americans to thrive. And I

1927
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 18: think what's exciting about Bobby Kennedy's you don't have to

1928
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 18: agree with everything he says. Blake doesn't agree with everything

1929
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 18: he says, that's fine, but we're willing to have a

1930
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 18: robust conversation on why are we overweight? What can we

1931
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 18: do differently. The biggest reason Americans don't thrive is not

1932
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 18: a lack of money. It's not even being able unable

1933
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 18: to buy a house. By far, The biggest source of

1934
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 18: our misery is how unhealthy we are. The lack of

1935
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 18: health in this country is actually the root cause beyond

1936
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 18: all root causes. And let's open this up and every good, wacky, creative,

1937
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 18: crazy idea we need to.

1938
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 3: Have it out.

1939
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 18: What I know, though, is the most high functioning people

1940
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 18: in my life that I see are people that largely

1941
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:17,640
Speaker 18: don't drink a lot of alcohol.

1942
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 3: There are people that don't do drugs.

1943
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:25,759
Speaker 18: They're people that take exercise seriously, they take sunlight exposure seriously.

1944
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:31,360
Speaker 18: And some of the most unhappy people and slovenly people

1945
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 18: are be left don't take that stuff seriously. But more

1946
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 18: than all of that, we need medical institutions, and we

1947
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 18: need institutions in general that promote the public health, not

1948
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 18: public misery, not public obesity. We should trust our medical institutions.

1949
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 18: And we know the CDC is captured, we know the

1950
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 18: FDA is captured. We know all these major institutions are captured,

1951
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:56,479
Speaker 18: and Bobby Kennedy is going to go in there and

1952
01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 18: disrupt it. For your kids, for your grandkids. I could

1953
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 18: not be more behind Bobby Kennedy's ascension to AHHS secretary.

1954
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 18: I believe fundamentally in the MAHA movement. People make fun

1955
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 18: of me that I'm like the Maha mascot, and we

1956
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 18: need to have Bobby Kennedy's back. This right here would

1957
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 18: be one of the sweetest closures to the injustice of

1958
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 18: the COVID injustice more coming.

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Speaker 3: Up to see you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: God bless